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A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
Thank you Braggy (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2022 (UTC) |
A barnstar for you!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For your continuous and tireless help throughout the years in SqWiki matters. A great help and a great friend! - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:15, 21 March 2022 (UTC) |
Everywhere
You know, there once was an editor whose name used to make me smile - User:Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
This editor was everywhere. Didn't matter, day or night, I'd see them active on my watchlist, and on just about any talk page I might go to edit. They are apparently, of course, long gone.
But then I look around things today and now who do I find?
You. Everywhere.
But seriously. YOU. ARE. EVERYWHERE.
lol
The amount of contribution, the how much of your time you generously give to the community, just simply deserves a well-earned barnstar.
Thank you for all that you do. - jc37 00:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
Thank you for all that you do. - jc37 00:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC) |
- @Jc37: well it's a big place, but I get around! I remember CSCWEM from way back, just looked at their history and found this: Special:PermaLink/180540149#A_new_flavor_of_SALT, seems forever ago when "create protection" got invented! — xaosflux Talk 01:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- lol wow.
- If we go back and look at all the policies (and/or policy discussions) that you or I contributed to, I think we'll both start feeling old lol
- Incidentally, the whole time I was looking for which barnstar to give you, I had Johnny Cash singing I've Been Everywhere, going through my head. lol - jc37 01:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Help with an edit filter
Hello! Can you help me set up an edit filter that activates when a user (IP or not autoconfirmed) has only changed numbers on a page and hasn't provided an edit summary? Is that thing feasible? - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:32, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi can you provide a couple of diffs of this occurring recently? — xaosflux Talk 14:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Examples:
- These are all old diffs because I got them from the pending changes list to gather them quickly but we continuously have
- changes like these which lately we've started just plainly rolling back because it is very hard for us to verify them. For example, one user may come and say that X person is not born on 25 tetor (October) 1986 but 7 tetor 1986 and say nothing more than that. It doesn't put a source for its information (in most of the cases there is no source to begin with) and doesn't even put a rationale on the summary so at that moment is almost indistinguishable from vandalisms to us. And we do have a lot of vandalisms of that kind, especially from that vandal you helped me block. Some vandalisms can be distinguished using logic, for example, if someone says that a famous person was born last year when everyone knows that person is not 1 year old because he works as a politician or if someone says that it died last year when everyone else saw it on TV yesterday. But on other cases, that is very hard to prove or disprove. At least, for us. And that's not the only case. People may change budgets, income ciphers, casualties in wars, scientific constants and more. So we want an edit filter that fires up if "not-so-trustful users" add, remove or change ONLY numbers (so no citation provided because obviously that would have to inevitably make use of at least some words) without also providing any kind of summary. We will either set to warn or block such edits depending on its practical use when tested out. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi the reason I was asking for 'recent' edits is so that they can be further explored with w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/examine. We have a few filters here that look for edits to birthdays, and other sorts of similar dates - but they are all only in conjunction with that being template data that has more structure. — xaosflux Talk 17:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- I was trying to find some recent edits I had rolled back because of this phenomenon now but I failed on that. :/ So there is no hope for me in my wish for a filter like what I described? :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi not necessarily, just wanted to get a better look at the exact variables. In words this is what you are looking for right:
- I was trying to find some recent edits I had rolled back because of this phenomenon now but I failed on that. :/ So there is no hope for me in my wish for a filter like what I described? :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi the reason I was asking for 'recent' edits is so that they can be further explored with w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/examine. We have a few filters here that look for edits to birthdays, and other sorts of similar dates - but they are all only in conjunction with that being template data that has more structure. — xaosflux Talk 17:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
action is an edit edit summary is null look if the changed text was quite small (since we are looking only for a single number being changed) look if the changed characters were only numbers
- In one of your examples above the vandal changed text to a number (... --> xxx) so if that is comment, it is another twist. — xaosflux Talk 10:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I was wondering about that detail as well. That's way more rare so if it does take a lot to be implemented, we can ignore that case. But we are not looking only for a single number being changed. There are times where almost every digit in a history article may be changed (all dates, war casualties, births and deaths, etc.) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi so here is an example maybe? (w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/examine/6011957). It isn't impossible, but would be too costly to do this I think. In theory you could take the "removed_lines", do a string search for only numbers and concatenate them, do the same for the "added lines", then compare the concatenated lines. It would be very prone to false positives so disallow wouldn't be approriate - and you already have pending changes on for all new users at sqwiki requiring review of all edits anyway don't you? — xaosflux Talk 13:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- The example looks good. I noticed that you have changed only number per line while in practice there may be more than 1 per line but I strongly believe the line concept wouldn't really matter in this aspect, am I right?
- We do have pending changes enabled for all edits and that's why we rely on edit filters so much. We want to be able to weed out what we can automatically. Maybe, if disallowing would be too strong, just warning them could make some users either stop their vandalism or, most importantly, provide sources for their change if it is not a vandalism. This would be beneficial even on the aspect of teaching users to provide sources, something we are working on on different ways. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- As we speak, it just so happened that an edit that the filter would catch was made: link. Klein Muçi (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi ok thanks, see w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/examine/6012063. Looking in to a bit. — xaosflux Talk 15:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi I'm following up with others at Wikipedia:Edit_filter/Requested#Number_vandalism — xaosflux Talk 15:27, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi ok thanks, see w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/examine/6012063. Looking in to a bit. — xaosflux Talk 15:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi it would still likely be very prone to false positives, for example for anything being updated in real/near time , like casualty counts, scores, etc. (e.g. w:sq:Special:Diff/2441646) (not to mention that potential filter I mentioned above would be overly "expensive") unless there are some better unique additional variables to filter on first. See if you can find some actual recent examples and let me know? — xaosflux Talk 15:10, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, I subscribed to that discussion. As for the "exact" situations you mention (near real time updates) I can say that:
- Those cases are, maybe unfortunately, very rare for us.
- In those rare occasions in which they do occur, catching them with this filter wouldn't really be a false positive. It would be inside the filter's scope. Changing casualty numbers without providing a source would leave the burden of proof to us, a project that has changes pending review for more than 3 years now. Being realistic, time has proven we are unable to provide that kind of service so... - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Xaos! If I'm not wrong, it is now possible to easily catch vandalism cases like what we've been discussing here. Does EnWiki have an edit filter set up yet making use of the newly set up regex function in regard to number vandalism? Can you show it to me? Maybe you can help me set one up for SqWiki even without EnWiki having one? - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi are you referring to
str_replace_regexp()
? If so we don't have any of that in use on enwiki or over at metawiki yet. — xaosflux Talk 12:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)- Yes. I'd be interested if you can let me know when you do create a filter which I can copy and modify accordingly. I believe what we're looking for at SqWiki would be a way to stop IP and new users from only number changes on a page without supplying any summaries. This would narrow it down enough to not let false positives be a problem (and we can always change it to include more user groups if so needed). - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi are you referring to
- Thank you, I subscribed to that discussion. As for the "exact" situations you mention (near real time updates) I can say that:
- As we speak, it just so happened that an edit that the filter would catch was made: link. Klein Muçi (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi so here is an example maybe? (w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/examine/6011957). It isn't impossible, but would be too costly to do this I think. In theory you could take the "removed_lines", do a string search for only numbers and concatenate them, do the same for the "added lines", then compare the concatenated lines. It would be very prone to false positives so disallow wouldn't be approriate - and you already have pending changes on for all new users at sqwiki requiring review of all edits anyway don't you? — xaosflux Talk 13:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I was wondering about that detail as well. That's way more rare so if it does take a lot to be implemented, we can ignore that case. But we are not looking only for a single number being changed. There are times where almost every digit in a history article may be changed (all dates, war casualties, births and deaths, etc.) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- In one of your examples above the vandal changed text to a number (... --> xxx) so if that is comment, it is another twist. — xaosflux Talk 10:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader: any thoughts on this? — xaosflux Talk 13:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I remember @Suffusion of Yellow and @Certes being interested in this topic as well. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
A bowl of strawberries for you!
It was rude of me to start talking of sundae ingredients and not offer you some. I'm still grateful each day for the unsaveable sandbox js you gave me. It's saved me from indiscretion sooo many times. Thank you! Cabayi (talk) 06:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC) |
Deleting user page
Hello! I have a simple question: If I delete my userpage in here wanting to have the Meta version show up, will my name become red in discussions and around? - Klein Muçi (talk) 08:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi nope, see test2wiki:User:Xaosflux/Sandbox as an example. — xaosflux Talk 10:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Link visit
Can you accept this edit request?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:California#Semi-protected_edit_request_on_9_May_2022
Thanks, --2601:205:C002:D1E0:D11:AA22:BE7:46C1 (talk) 05:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Someone will get to it soon, there is currently a backlog there (c.f. User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable). I mostly do "technical" ER's, not "content" ones. — xaosflux Talk 09:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please Help Me!
Dear Xaosflux , I've come to ask for your help on your member talks, I have a wiki named [14] I'm a bureaucrat and administrator on this wiki, on my wiki I can't set Pending Change Protection I see, I want to set up pending change protection on your wiki as it is on Wikipedia, can you help me with this? You are an administrator, bureaucrat tax authority on wikipedia, and you are also a more experienced member, I am ready to give you bureaucrat, administrator tax authority on my wiki, please help me, this is my humble request to you. 😃Regards! Aviram7 (talk) 06:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- For help with that extension, I suggest you follow up at mw:Extension talk:FlaggedRevs. That extension is not very well supported,
very clunky, complex and not recommended for production use
unless you have some mediawiki developers ready to help your project. — xaosflux Talk 10:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- When I protect at the level of
Extended Conformed Protection
andTemplate editor Protection
on your wiki, only viewing the source only shows the protection banner of semi-protect, butExtended Conformed Protection
andTemplate editor Protection
Protection banner doesn't show, and protection banner shows the same level of protection as articles on Wikipedia, but not on my wiki Looks like can you tell me what is the main reason for not showing it? Can you help me with this?.😔 --Regards Aviram7 (talk) 17:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)- See the contents of our MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext, and recursively the contents of all pages transcluded, which will eventually include complex calls such as in Module:Protection_banner. For general help with other mediawiki questions please follow up at mw:Project:Support desk. — xaosflux Talk 22:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- When I protect at the level of
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Notice of Conflict of interest noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. The discussion is about the topic Ruderboot10 (Translation). Thank you. —Ruderboot10 (talk) 07:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Problem with Quarry?
Hello, Xaosflux,
You wrote me a very helpful Quarry query to find orphaned talk pages which I "forked" (see here) which I altered slightly to include more namespaces and a higher number of results. I use it several times a day, quite successfully. Well, today I got this cryptic message when I tried to run it:
View 'enwiki_p.page' references invalid table(s) or column(s) or function(s) or definer/invoker of view lack rights to use them
Is there some change at Quarry that would make running these queries restricted to certain classes of users? I have run this query (or forks of it) dozens and dozens of times with no problems until today. Thanks, in advance, for any help you can provide. Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- I just tried running someone else's query and got the same message so apparently, it isn't a problem with the code in the query you wrote. Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- I opened phab:T309570 on this. — xaosflux Talk 00:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, Xaosflux. There are several technical glitches today, I'm not sure what is going on with the databases. Liz Read! Talk! 00:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I opened phab:T309570 on this. — xaosflux Talk 00:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Feedback request: Wikipedia policies and guidelines request for comment
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COIN question
Hi, I saw Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Ruderboot10 (Translation) and wondered how useful it was to refer the editor to COIN? The result was that they submitted the translations through AfC without using page importation. They have disclosed their COI and WP:COIEDIT says they should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly. The articles look harmless, if not of huge value to en Wikipedia. They may have selectively quoted from reviews, but presumably AfC will check that. TSventon (talk) 08:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @TSventon most COI requests we get at WP:RFPI are rather suspect, often getting denied - thought this could be a way to help this editor move forward by making sure those with expertise in COI were able to ensure they followed the best practices is all. — xaosflux Talk 09:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Feedback request: Wikipedia technical issues and templates request for comment
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Draft:SMS Rover
Hello, Xaosflux,
I do a lot of work with expiring drafts and I like to post notifications on the page creator's talk page that the draft has been deleted and that they can recover it if they go to WP:REFUND. So, when I deleted this draft, I got an error message that Twinkle couldn't post a notification on the creator's talk page. When I went back to look at the edit history of the page, I saw that almost all of the editors were actually on the German Wikipedia and that you had "imported" the page. I hadn't seen that before. Is that a complicated procedure? It's great that the editors' names and home wiki are all given attribution even when they don't have accounts on the English Wikipedia. I wonder why I've been here years and not run into this before. I've seen pages translated but never a page, a draft, just brought over to a different language Wikipedia, all intact, so I thought I'd ask you about this. Thanks for any information you can provide! Liz Read! Talk! 19:04, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Liz in most cases translated pages just note the other project's article, generally on the talk page using {{translated}} or sometimes just as an edit summary. We do process history imports on request, mostly at WP:RFPI. The most common of these are dewiki-->enwiki, primarily because the dewiki community heavily uses this type of process so their editors are used to it. We won't transwiki directly to article space, so we either make the requester translate first, or bring it in to Draft or a user sandbox for them to work on in parts - that way it will still go through new page patrol when they move it to mainspace. Hope that clears it up? — xaosflux Talk 22:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)