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The scientific consensus (sic) was changed completely
The emails showed that the current scientific consensus (sic) is that there was a "decline" in the rate of warming despite massive increases in co2 which is easily apparent in the satellite lower troposphere measurements This dramatically changes it and disproved all of their previous models. It also proved that they wanted "hide" this decline which definitively did show misconduct. Editorial claims to the contrary are just claims. Facts are facts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.195.65.126 (talk) 03:50, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
- Do you have any credible sources whatsoever that confirm your "facts"? Can you please tell us where you're getting this from?Gireen (talk) 03:31, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
- I was not the author of the original statement by 70.195.65.126 above but, I just read it and am returning an answer to your question Gireen. It is old news but it might lead you to the answer. I think Forbes is not a bad source that could be used for your consideration: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/?sh=509978a227ba
- See this part, in particular: “Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a wealth of others. [...]” writes Peter Thorne of the UK Met Office.24.225.161.193 (talk) 20:43, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
- Forbes isn't a great source, particularly for science, the article's almost a decade old and that's a cherry-picked quote from an earlier private discussion. Outdated. And the article's not by Forbes staff, it's by James M. Taylor at The Heartland Institute, well known source of climate change denial.. . dave souza, talk 04:39, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Qu: Hacking
Was there any proof that this was a hacking I remember reading in the EDP or somewhere that they thought it was a leak. All conjecture but was this every proved or traced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.69.200.4 (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Link/Citation 69 is dead
Well it says it all in the headline — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathcounter (talk • contribs) 17:06, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing that out - I've added an archive url for that citation. Mikenorton (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Meaning of 'trick'
The recent BBC TV film titled 'The Trick' is likely to arouse new interest in the meaning of this key word. The present article refers to an inquiry report by Penn State, which said that the 'trick' was 'a statistical method used to bring two or more different kinds of data sets together in a legitimate fashion'. Is there a source for the statistical method used, preferably with some explanation that might be intelligible to a lay person? The impression given in the film was that Phil Jones simply decided that the proxy data after a certain date (I think he said 1960) was wrong or unreliable, since it conflicted with the instrumental data, and therefore omitted it from the relevant diagram. This may have been a correct judgement, and a legitimate decision, but it is not on the face of it a *statistical* method. Nor does it seem to justify the use of the term 'trick', which in a scientific or math context usually implies something especially neat or clever. Just cutting out data you think is incorrect may be justified, but it is not especially clever. There *might* be some statistical reason for excluding data from a graph, for example if it is an outlier known to be due to measurement error. If there is in fact some technical statistical basis for the 'trick', a reference would be helpful. 2A00:23C8:7907:4B01:28AF:6BB6:74DF:B930 (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- As is linked in the article, this is fully covered at Climatic Research Unit documents#Climate reconstruction graph, including the point that tree ring data post 1960 was an outlier known to be due to the (already published) divergence problem, a detail Jones chose to exclude from the figure for the WMO report cover illustration. For the statisticl basis of MBH98/99, see the hockey stick graph. . dave souza, talk 10:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Why hack UEA?
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UEA is a largely unknown 'university' in the UK. Why such a furore over the hacking of this University's online data when there must be more 'credible' targets (such as Oxford, Cambridge, etc) who must have a huge trove of data on climate change? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1000:B11D:A35A:7923:574A:289E:EF41 (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2021 (UTC) |