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Musk defamation subsection
I would suggest that some, limited mention of Musk's email to Buzzfeed is warranted to remain as it provides more context as to what assumptions, previous or retroactive, Musk produced with regards to the allegation against Unsworth. It is a rare thing in such high profile cases. QRep2020 (talk) 04:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- I looked into it a bit more and added a line related to the PI stuff. Maybe not exactly what you were hoping for, but I'm trying to stick to the facts that are still getting coverage four years later. If you want to talk further about improvements to the article, I'd prefer if we did so at the article talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Waterwangledweathers
I just came here to alert you of a possible new user with a name clearly intended to take the piss out of you. 😂 Tewdar 19:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tewdar: It's clearly marked as an alt account of Firefangledfeathers.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:51, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- 🙄 Tewdar 19:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Ponyo! I'd recommend taking Tewdar seriously only sparingly, and even then only in small doses. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hey! I write serious articles, me! Tewdar 20:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- "Horn site" lol. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- You've been watching too many cartoons... Tewdar 20:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- "Horn site" lol. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hey! I write serious articles, me! Tewdar 20:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- What a wascally chawactew! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Be vewy vewy quiet! Tewdar 19:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Question from Kativmilano (18:44, 20 May 2022)
Hello, I'd like to create my wikipedia artist bio page Could you help me with this? --Kativmilano (talk) 18:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Kativmilano, and welcome! I'd be happy to help you. A good place to start is by reading "Your first article". It might help to start with a little editing in other areas before you tackle article creation, and you can get some ideas of where to start at "Introduction to Wikipedia. I'm not sure if the bio you hope to write is about yourself. If so, please know that doing so is tricky. We can go into more specifics if that's your plan. Welcome, again, and please let me know if you have more questions. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
FYI
In reference to this edit summary: "Spirit of the age" is a literal translation of Zeitgeist, so no source is needed for that. Generalrelative (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hahaha! That's great. I drew the connection but not that strongly. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Cheers! Generalrelative (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- And regarding this, consider me equally flattered! :P Generalrelative (talk) 20:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Aw shucks... Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- And regarding this, consider me equally flattered! :P Generalrelative (talk) 20:45, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Elon Musk
Thanks for the edit note regarding the rule on changes of talk page headers. I was not aware of that guideline and was under the impression that there was an assumption against refactoring. Regardless of any guideline, I was not trying to ruffle any feathers (pun intended) and was just trying to avoid the original poster getting... fired up (pun attempted). Apologies for any inconvenience, and all the best ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 15:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Good ones! Who among us knows all the policies and guidelines? Let them cast the first trout. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:12, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Question from Dowta (12:33, 25 May 2022)
Hello, I'm wondering if it might be helpful to offer links to related image art in certain cases. I represent a new search engine for the world's best image art, both stock images and art prints. It's called Best of Images. We organize the collections of the best from the best sources. Here's an example for the sport of Cricket: https://www.bestofimages.com/digital/Game-Sport-Hobby/Cricket/292
Appreciate your thoughts. --Dowta (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Dowta, and welcome to Wikipedia! I want to make sure, first, that I understand what you're hoping to accomplish. If I have it right: you work for or own bestofimages.com and are thinking that links to the site from articles might improve the Wikipedia experience for users. You might consider, for example, adding that Cricket link to the External links section of our article on Cricket. Am I understanding you correctly? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:40, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks. I'm the founder. And that's the idea, that for example people searching Cricket might be interested in related art they can license for communications, or buy for decoration. Dowta (talk) 14:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. Your goal here is putting you at odds with some long established Wikipedia culture and policy. See, for example, WP:PROMO. As you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid directly editing articles to add links to bestofimages.com, and instead request that they be added at the article talk pages. In picking which articles to suggest, it might help to read our policy on external links, which emphasizes the point that you should not directly add your link to articles. Most of the images I saw while browsing your site are available for purchase or paid licensing. If your or the site itself own the rights to some of the art or images and are interested in contributing them to the Wiki project overall, you might consider releasing some under a Wiki-compatible license or to the public domain. The best place to do so is at Commons. I can give you more info on that if you're interested. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. We don't have the rights, we're a new niche search engine trying to organize the world's best (usable) image art. All images are available for license or purchase from the source sites. Perhaps I could try suggesting a few collections for consideration via "article talk pages". I actually looked for the talk page for the "Cricket" example, but couldn't locate it. Could you possibly point me to it? 2601:400:8000:A340:11D1:37DC:D696:285E (talk) 17:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- All the article talk pages have the same name as the article itself but with the prefix "Talk:", so you're looking for Talk:Cricket. PS:It looks like you might have logged out before this last comment. There's no rule against it, just make sure you follow the advice at WP:Editing while logged out). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. We don't have the rights, we're a new niche search engine trying to organize the world's best (usable) image art. All images are available for license or purchase from the source sites. Perhaps I could try suggesting a few collections for consideration via "article talk pages". I actually looked for the talk page for the "Cricket" example, but couldn't locate it. Could you possibly point me to it? 2601:400:8000:A340:11D1:37DC:D696:285E (talk) 17:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. Your goal here is putting you at odds with some long established Wikipedia culture and policy. See, for example, WP:PROMO. As you have a conflict of interest, you should avoid directly editing articles to add links to bestofimages.com, and instead request that they be added at the article talk pages. In picking which articles to suggest, it might help to read our policy on external links, which emphasizes the point that you should not directly add your link to articles. Most of the images I saw while browsing your site are available for purchase or paid licensing. If your or the site itself own the rights to some of the art or images and are interested in contributing them to the Wiki project overall, you might consider releasing some under a Wiki-compatible license or to the public domain. The best place to do so is at Commons. I can give you more info on that if you're interested. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks. I'm the founder. And that's the idea, that for example people searching Cricket might be interested in related art they can license for communications, or buy for decoration. Dowta (talk) 14:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks
Just wanted to drop a quick thanks for pumping the brakes on that. I definitely should've kept my cool, but it can be pretty hard to snap out of it once it gets that heated. Looking back, I'd definitely undo my comments and handle it differently. Anyway, thanks again. Throast (talk | contribs) 22:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're welcome, Throast. I've seen a lot of mud thrown your way in the time I've been around that talk page, and I'm sorry that's been happening. FYI, ARoseWolf is a good egg. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 23:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I liked to left a few words find this title appropriate for this. Just want to say thank you for you scientific neutrality edition on page Jessica Taylor (author) well as you can see There's kind of strange behavior of a user on that, also it got a long history some documented on my page. Anyway thanks for your help, and I really appreciated your opinion on that page, I've done editions to the page because it's promotional, a banner on it also states, well as that user: generalrelative didn't let to bring some criticizing I deleted those contents that were referred to newspapes. Sure the user wouldn't stop, then:
- I really appreciate a neutral, impartial opinion on it, I believe you are well fitted to, please intervene, we're here for the truth. My regards Freethinker6799 (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Want to add another thing: there's a comment by on misconduct/ edit warring. Well, I tried to get along with generalrelative both email & their talk page, all my messages have been deleted on their talk page. Please see. Also note ot that the user tracked down all my activities and get them deleted! I didn't do anything except for adding my editions. So it's tricky now. On the talk page of Jessica Taylor (author) is a little details about issue and talk page of the user generalrelative. Freethinker6799 (talk) 08:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Freethinker6799. If you'd like my advice, please keep conduct and content discussions separate, with conduct issues at user talk pages and content issues at article talk pages. Though it can be frustrating, users are allowed to remove most posts from their own user talk pages, see WP:UP#CMT. I agree with GR about the removed Depp-Heard content and am still on the fence about the King Richard bit. I think it should be possible for the three of us to come to rough consensus, and if not, there are other dispute resolution options available. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:04, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Want to add another thing: there's a comment by on misconduct/ edit warring. Well, I tried to get along with generalrelative both email & their talk page, all my messages have been deleted on their talk page. Please see. Also note ot that the user tracked down all my activities and get them deleted! I didn't do anything except for adding my editions. So it's tricky now. On the talk page of Jessica Taylor (author) is a little details about issue and talk page of the user generalrelative. Freethinker6799 (talk) 08:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Throast thanks. yes, Someone told me to put the issue on the talk page.
well, seems that user generalrelative wouldn't accept anything but what they want. since for them when it's appropriate guardian & independent are reliable but daily mail etc aren't reliable said "rescue status quo ante" undid my edition. about talk, when the user deletes anything I tell them how could be a discussion. hoping you intervene either all contents with unreliable sources be deleted or there would be of other sources at the same level of authenticity. Freethinker6799 (talk) 19:10, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Freethinker6799: most people that I've seen edit the way you are right now end up getting blocked. I urge you to self-revert and slow things down. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Freethinker6799, I assume the ping was accidental? Throast (talk | contribs) 19:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Basically your opinion isn't neutral. I've add a few lines cited to daily mail and another ones. The user deleted them for more than 5 times due to unreliable sources. No efforts were effective, the user deleted warning & efforts. I said ok as they wish but daily mail isn't reliable as well as guardian & independent. I deleted them. If it's not for promote I hope a neutral position. Please see the evidence first Freethinker6799 (talk) 19:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- yes, sorry, it was by mistake.
I seek your help to intervene which means being impartial with the situation. please do so, see the situation and don't assume one with more history here is more moral. anyway people die for the truth & freedom, getting blocked is not a thing I couldn't endure. for fear of blocking I'm not put the truth away. Freethinker6799 (talk) 19:43, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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May 2022
Welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia invites everyone to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, but one or more redirects you created, such as with Pipe Masters, have been considered disruptive and/or malicious, and have been reverted or deleted. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to the encyclopedia. Thank you. Faster than Thunder (talk | contributions) 19:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Faster than Thunder, and thanks for the welcome! I hope to accomplish much more in my time on Wikipedia. Was this message perhaps sent in error? I am fairly confident that Pipe Masters should be a redirect to Billabong Pipeline Masters and not a copy-and-paste content fork. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, welcome to Wikipedia, FFF! I'm sure you'll get the hang of things in another 13 years or so... 😂 Tewdar 20:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- We're all newcomers until we have 100,000 edits right? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, welcome to Wikipedia, FFF! I'm sure you'll get the hang of things in another 13 years or so... 😂 Tewdar 20:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The user has 2 drafts declared on their user page, 899 edits, and a (malformed?) request for adminship under their belt! 😮 Tewdar 20:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pardon me, 8 mainspace articles (but 6 got deleted ☹️)!
Well, that's more than me anyway.I'd probably support them at a future RFA... Tewdar 20:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)- More than me too! Sorry Faster than Thunder, we're having a little fun at your expense. Please take this as the cost of templating the regulars. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- This article is good! You should write more articles if you have time! 😁👍 Tewdar 20:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! I plan on it. I felt like the main thing that was holding me back was that no one had yet welcomed me and let me know that everyone is invited to contribute. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, there's no excuse now. They say there's a manual round here somewhere, but I can't say I've ever read it. Tewdar 20:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! I plan on it. I felt like the main thing that was holding me back was that no one had yet welcomed me and let me know that everyone is invited to contribute. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- This article is good! You should write more articles if you have time! 😁👍 Tewdar 20:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
A belated welcome!
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- OMG you have cookies here!?! That's it: I'm gonna stick around. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The cookie thing reminds me of why I hate the welcome templates. I wish there was a welcome-adult template for sucking adults who don't care about Internet cookies or flowers. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- How about this? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The cookie thing reminds me of why I hate the welcome templates. I wish there was a welcome-adult template for sucking adults who don't care about Internet cookies or flowers. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Exactly. Reading a welcome message should be like watching Schindler's List. The only thing is missing is two or three mentions that you'll be immediately blocked for any child's play or copyright infringement. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do hear the violin theme whenever I'm at ANI. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Books & Bytes – Issue 50
Books & Bytes
Issue 50, March – April 2022
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Just sayin
In English language not all nouns under threat of execution must have a verb. But even if you are a big pedant you can just fix what you personally don't like instead revertion of the entire edit, right? We are here to collaborate and improve Wikipedia after all. The point is that African Americans, like White Americans or Asian Americans, are not ethnic groups. HernánCortés1518 (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi HernánCortés1518. I know what edit you're talking about, but I don't know what you mean by "under threat of execution must have a verb". Yes I could have fixed the grammar error you left by removing the "an", but I don't support removing "ethnic group". At least, I don't support it without knowing why you think it should be removed. Please use edit summaries, especially when removing content. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- It was a metaphor for the obligatory use of a verb. As for "ethnicity" or "ethnic group" in the context of African Americans, it is strange and inappropriate to use it, given that:
- 1. This classification in relation to them does not have reliable sources.
- 2. All other demographic groups in the US are not considered "ethnic groups" in Wikipedia.
- I left blank that "edit summary" in my edit so as not to repeat the same things several times. African Americans are Americans who are descendants of enslaved people from Sub-Sahara, as indicated in the article, and not some ethnic group separate from other Americans, like those indigenous tribes and nations on reservations. HernánCortés1518 (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- While I disagree, that's a reasonable point, and I encourage you to bring it up at the article talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:59, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Most African Americans are bicultural and speak two dialects everyday because they are an ethnic group with a history, music, and culture distinctly their own. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- No problem Valjean! I agree with you, and there are many more reasons besides. I reiterate that I'd prefer any further content-related discussion to happen at Talk:African Americans. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is clearly not enough to call them an ethnic group as ethnic groups: Bantu, Yoruba or Zulu whose representatives were their ancestors. HernánCortés1518 (talk) 19:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- While I disagree, that's a reasonable point, and I encourage you to bring it up at the article talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:19, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- This all hangs on one's definition of ethnic group. I find that most of what's in the lead there applies to African Americans, even modern ones. They have a distinct subculture and are a minority group with all the disadvantages that entails:
- "... a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include common sets of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion, or social treatment within their residing area."
- "Ethnicity may be construed as an inherited or as a societally imposed construct. Ethnic membership tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language, or dialect, symbolic systems such as religion, mythology and ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, or physical appearance. Ethnic groups may share a narrow or broad spectrum of genetic ancestry, depending on group identification, with many groups having mixed genetic ancestry."
- Every bit of that applies. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Valjean: discussion has moved on to Talk:African Americans. Would you like me to copy your comment there? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 21:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- It was a metaphor for the obligatory use of a verb. As for "ethnicity" or "ethnic group" in the context of African Americans, it is strange and inappropriate to use it, given that:
Caryn Ann Harlos
The comments have been restored. It corresponds to a tape of the event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OzfcEepE0o 31:00-42:00 Please no not change.
Rich Hand
Thank you so much for taking on the review of Rich Hand! I look forward to working on you with it and will try to respond to your comments this evening. I really appreciate your willingness to review it! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:23, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Happy to help! Look forward to working with you too. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:28, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Addressed changes thus far made, and will work on reading those PDFs if you get those sent. I think most of the comments I hadn't written a response to I'd already fixed in the article - I usually just comment if I have a question or a disagreement with the comment. However, I went back through, checked them all, and left a comment, even if it was only to say I'd already made the change. Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 00:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Read through the PDFs - some sentences I left the same, but I made a few changes, including taking out the sentence about the changeup because that particular source did not actually mention it. I have now made (or commented on) all the necessary changes for GA status, and I even made several of the optional fixes/additions as well. Let me know if anything more is needed! Sanfranciscogiants17 (talk) 22:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
In Ethiopia with a Mule
Are there any book reviews available for this from Newspapers.com, in 1968? My recent article on it failed WP:NBOOK. I'm sure the articles are out there, but hidden behind paywalls. U003F? 22:56, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- (TALK PAGE STALKER) Doi 10.2307/1796867 is one such review 😀 Tewdar 23:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good find stalker (all caps is a lot though)! U003F, if you access JSTOR through WP:TWL there look to be some more reviews. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:21, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi U003F. I did find some:
- Sunday Telegraph (1991): brief mention, more about Murphy
- Lake District News (1977): passing mention
- The Age (1969): short review
- Birgmingham Post (1968): short review
- Marengo Beacon (1971): brief mention
- Brownwood Bulletin (1970): short review
- The Age (1981): brief mention, good bio detail on Murphy
- The Record (1982): full review
- The Observer (1979): passing mention, autobio article, maybe an excerpt?
- Sydney Morning Herald (1995): short review
- The Observer (1968): full review
- Hope that helps! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for helping update… One thing is incorrect though
Thank you very much for taking time to restructure the article about me on Wikipedia. I truly appreciate it. I would like to add that you put that I moved to Mississippi and your reference was the newspaper the Clarion ledger, the only problem is that I never moved to Mississippi I always lived there. The article doesn’t state that I moved there either I think because you probably saw I was born in Memphis you assumed that which is very understandable but I was only born in Memphis Tennessee because there was not a good hospital in Cleveland Mississippi where we livrd so I never lived any place but Mississippi until I moved to Florida at 16. Not a big deal but at the same time also not accurate. And the “letter perfect” Review that you removed was credited to the LA times incorrectly when it should’ve been credited to backstage.com but that can be left off because I understand now that it’s unnecessary in general.
I appreciate you and all of the other editor to take time to keep this resource up to a certain acceptable standard.
With respect Jason Jasondottleyofficial (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jason! Thanks for the info. You're absolutely right that "moved to" was an assumption on my part. Good to know about the review. I'm going to post a conflict of interest notice at your user talk page, not because you've done anything wrong, but because navigating a Wikipedia article about yourself is a tricky path full of traps, and I'd love to have your thoughts on edits to the article. You're already on the right track by suggesting changes instead of editing directly. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:36, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I totally understand. I’m just keeping an eye on it because of the coordinated attempt by trolls from datalounge.com to discredit, vandalize and eventually have the article removed because they have nothing better to do with their lives. I will most certainly always refer to an editor for anything I notice. I assume it’s always best to go to the specific person who made the change like I did with you?? I am very grateful that so many people with good intentions are part of the editing team at Wikipedia. Cheers Jasondottleyofficial (talk) 01:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry to hear that. The best place to go with suggestions is actually Talk:Jason Dottley, where multiple interested editors can be involved in the improvements. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I totally understand. I’m just keeping an eye on it because of the coordinated attempt by trolls from datalounge.com to discredit, vandalize and eventually have the article removed because they have nothing better to do with their lives. I will most certainly always refer to an editor for anything I notice. I assume it’s always best to go to the specific person who made the change like I did with you?? I am very grateful that so many people with good intentions are part of the editing team at Wikipedia. Cheers Jasondottleyofficial (talk) 01:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Nomination of Ashley Gjøvik for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashley Gjøvik until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.
Sebastien1118 (talk) 09:42, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
SquareInARoundHole
has left/retired/been CBANNED. Could we defer any further notifications?03:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- DeepFriedOkra, absolutely. This one was automated as part of the GA nomination closing process. I didn't expect it and wouldn't have known how to stop it if I did. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:33, 15 June 2022 (UTC):
- Ping fix: Deepfriedokra. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:34, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aaargh --Deepfriedokra (talk) 03:34, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- What, has this not been a smooth process from start to finish? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
A Barnstar For You!
TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:22, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am glad I could help. Congrats to you as well! Props also to the coordinators of the GA backlog drive. It turns out I'm very motivated by internet points. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:31, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Question from I GEDE PRATAMA on Ramsgate EMUD (10:11, 16 June 2022)
HADIAH --I GEDE PRATAMA (talk) 10:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi I GEDE PRATAMA! Welcome to Wikipedia! Anything I can do to help? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Question from Lokiesghost211 on Talk:Benjamin Davis (gang member) (20:50, 17 June 2022)
I have to tell you i can not stay silent about this fraudulent Davis pretending to have created my patch. I started 211 in 1993 in the utah state prison. Me and my brother who has now passed Lloyd pace were in cell 13 oquirrhs and i sat down and came up with the patch then he tatooed it on my stomach then did the same to himself on his ribcage. How utah has not show the photos taken after the death of anouther broth Ben West in the prison i have no idea. We were all taken out photos were taken of 7 of us then we were all questioned about what it was and stood for. Nobody said anything other then it was religious because it partly was and is. So the lying fraud Davis should be called out as any kind of man because he is a lying coward! --Lokiesghost211 (talk) 20:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Lokiesghost211, is there a Wikipedia article that has this content wrong? Benjamin Davis (gang member) does not exist yet. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Possibly referring to this article? Very entertaining talk page, this. I should've watchlisted it a long time ago. 😂 Tewdar 19:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Could be! Though the page doesn't mention anything about a patch/tattoo and who created it. It does say the crew was created in 1995 by Davis, which is supported by one of the cited Denver Post articles, which is itself citing "court documents". Lokiesghost211, if the Post has it wrong, are there any other published sources that have it right? If not, you might like to get in touch with one, or push for the Post to publish a correction. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and our job is to summarize what secondary sources say. This means we sometimes propagate errors present in otherwise reliable secondary sources. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Possibly referring to this article? Very entertaining talk page, this. I should've watchlisted it a long time ago. 😂 Tewdar 19:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Question from Opelong on Talk:West Michigan Edge (08:25, 18 June 2022)
Who is the first man in South Africa --Opelong (talk) 08:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Opelong. I'm not sure! You might like to read South Africa#Prehistoric archaeology which places Homo sapiens in the region since at least 170,000 years ago, with other hominid species present even earlier. For questions of fact like this, I highly recommend the Wikipedia reference desk. I hope that helps. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Question from Tewdar on Talk:1887 in baseball
What is the best topping for Hasselback potatoes? Tewdar 19:46, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good one! It does seem like something unexpected is happening with the mentorship module's section headings. That potato page needs expansion ASAP. Cheese, of course. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Mmm, yum yum! And a few bits of bacon, and a few more, and a few more... 😋 Tewdar 20:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Question from Impdroid (21:19, 18 June 2022)
Would you help me get my voice out --Impdroid (talk) 21:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Impdroid. I can certainly try to help. What are you hoping to accomplish? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
DYK for Joseph Ranger (seaman)
![]() | On 19 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Joseph Ranger (seaman), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Joseph Ranger was the longest-serving Black sailor in the American Revolutionary War's Virginia State Navy? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph Ranger (seaman). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Joseph Ranger (seaman)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Chemerinsky POV pusher/troll
That IP editor you previously reported has returned: [1]. I reverted, but it might be good to report him again. White Whirlwind 03:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's definitely slow-mo edit warring but I doubt it's actionable yet. If I were you,@White whirlwind, I'd give them a templated EW warning, start an article talk page section about "controversial", and ping them to it. Hopefully they engage, and if not, it shows we tried. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Question from Itsnitishpandattt (03:49, 22 June 2022)
S/o satendra Pandey --Itsnitishpandattt (talk) 03:49, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, just notifying you of this ANI thread connected to a discussion on the MoS talkpage. Boynamedsue (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Boynamedsue. FYI: I moved your comment here from my user page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:01, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
Hello Firefangledfeathers,
- Backlog status
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OK stuff
How did I misconstrue the book? I posted the entire quotation, the only quotation, where he talks about OK and conservatism. You never provided any follow-up other than saying he "supports 'conservative'", without qualification. SamuelRiv (talk) 15:46, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi SamuelRiv. I responded at the article talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that. He is somewhat inconsistent – he directly calls OK "right-wing" once with regard to its founding, and talks about "right-wing politics" in the introduction in a fairly consistent synonym with "conservative," and following that never seems to use the synonym again and almost always uses "far-right" and "right-wing extremism" as descriptors for OK (which from the definition exclude the synonym). By how Jackson defines "right-wing politics" –
However, the traditions that right-wing movements aim to preserve or restore may not have actually ever existed.
– I'd say that covers the later explicit definition of "conservative" that he uses for OK. That said, I think one still has to look at that quotation independently (it's a good quotation for the article imo) – is that under the umbrella of conservatism as an American political ideology? I know Reagan's dead and all, but he's still present in the general notion of "true conservatism" that the GOP intelligentsia argue over in National Review and such, whereas Trump is just... Trump. Does the shifting ideology of the base change the definition of the major ideology of the GOP, or do we just tack on terms like "populism" and "nationalism" to adjust? - Those thoughts aside, Jackson's definition of right-wing vs. conservative didn't sit well with me, so I checked out some of the discussion sources he cited. Blee and Creasap is the only open one, and they get even weirder, but I think those are definitions for the purpose of academic clarity. SamuelRiv (talk) 17:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good questions. Terms in politics can be tough to define, as the act of definition is an act of politics. On another note, thanks for being charitable when I was being a bit boneheaded in that discussion. There are too many obvious counterexamples for me to stick to "far-right is a strict subset of conservatism". Please do ping me if there's something more I need to respond to there; I'm trying not to spend too much time on the sidebar debate. Did you know mobile readers, the sizeable majority of our readership, can't even see them? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing that. He is somewhat inconsistent – he directly calls OK "right-wing" once with regard to its founding, and talks about "right-wing politics" in the introduction in a fairly consistent synonym with "conservative," and following that never seems to use the synonym again and almost always uses "far-right" and "right-wing extremism" as descriptors for OK (which from the definition exclude the synonym). By how Jackson defines "right-wing politics" –
DYK for Caesar Tarrant
![]() | On 27 June 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Caesar Tarrant, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Caesar Tarrant remained enslaved after his service as a boat pilot in the American Revolutionary War until the state of Virginia purchased his freedom in 1789? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Caesar Tarrant. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Caesar Tarrant), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
— Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
Edit Request Tool changes
Hello, I just made some significant changes to User:Terasail/Edit Request Tool. Since you have the tool active, I am informing you of this since it may affect you. To open the tool you will now have to click the "respond" button. The tool will load a similar interface as before. There is now a live preview of the response. These changes might have introduced some bugs so if you have any concerns / suggestions or run into problems please leave a note at User talk:Terasail/Edit Request Tool Thanks, Terasail[✉️] 15:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
Please explain your uncivil and illogical accusation
Hi. On 30 June 2022 you wrote on Specifico's talk page accusing me that my explanation and trying to seek consensus "borders on pestering". It is really puzzling and shocking that someone would think that discussing an issue with explanation of one's opinion is pestering, only because you don't agree with the editor's opinion. Can you kindly tell me exactly what you find pestering in my reply, with quotes, so that I can analyze your rationalization? Are you aware that consensus is usually not achieved only with one comment? Mind you, I read several guidelines and policies for a long time before engaging in the discussion with Specifico, as it can be seen by the links I submitted. Did you do the same before throwing uncivil accusations towards me? Thanks in advance for your reply. Thinker78 (talk) 15:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Thinker78. So that we're on the same page, I am using "pestering" to mean something like "causing too much repeated bother over a small matter", with a little "and I think you're wrong about the small matter" thrown in. I provided that opinion in the hope, which I still have, of convincing you to spend your time in other ways. My view is not easily represented by quoting parts of your comments, but here are some thoughts: And I'd like to bring up #1 again. We now have three discussions on three user talk pages and at least 1000 words spent on this, and the talk page discussion and article content have not advanced at all. I urge you to drop this matter and say what you would like to say at the article talk page. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you can avoid time-wasting process discussions, you should do so. In this case, you could have pulled the points you viewed as being high-quality out of an otherwise low-quality talk page comment and started a new section.
- You can presume that experienced editors have familiarity with policies and guidelines. Short quotation, or simple links, can be very helpful. Lengthy quotation adds unnecessary length and can come off as condescending. You repetition of quotes between the two sections reinforced that effect. If you don't already have it enabled, the Navigation popups tool is a handy way of seeing an editors edit count (among many other benefits).
- User talk pages are more like block parties hosted by the user and less like private one-on-one discussions. Your response to NewsAndEventsGuy was like being a party guest and telling another guest that they're not welcome. It wasn't your party.
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