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June 12 | 9 | 4 |
June 13 | 10 | 9 |
June 14 | 7 | 4 |
June 15 | 4 | |
June 16 | 8 | 2 |
June 17 | 7 | 3 |
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1917 Minsk City Duma election
- ... that General Jewish Labour Bund leader Arn Vaynshteyn became city council chairman after the 1917 Minsk municipal election? Source: Oleg Budnitskii (24 July 2012). Russian Jews Between the Reds and the Whites, 1917-1920. University of Pennsylvania Press. p. 56. ISBN 978-0-8122-0814-6. OCLC 1037924041.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Adolf I von Nassau
- Comment: I've used 'city council' here, which is a bit ambigous as there was also the soviets, but using 'city duma' in the hook might also be confusing
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 12:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC).
- A full review will follow, but right now I have reservations if the currently-proposed hook is interesting to a broad audience. The connections aren't made clear to those unfamiliar with Belarusian politics and history, particularly what the significance of Vaynshteyn becoming a city council chairman is. Can another hook be proposed here, one that would be interesting or at least clearer to those unfamiliar with the history of Belarus? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- The connection is not clear at all and does not meet the broad interest criterion. Readers will not immediately get the socialist or Jewish connection. Please propose a new hook with a completely different hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm - I think the Jewish connection is clear (and the socialist connection implied) from just the name General Jewish Labour Bund. Besides, it's wikilinked! I'm not sure a complete rejection of this hook fact is merited here, though I agree the hook needs some workshopping. How about these:
- ALT0a: ... that a leader of the General Jewish Labour Bund became chairman of the Minsk city council after the Socialist-Revolutionaries and social democrats gained control in the 1917 Minsk City Duma election?
- ALT1: ... that after the 1917 Minsk City Duma election, the Socialist-Revolutionaries and the social democrats came together to install a General Jewish Labour Bund leader as chairman?
- Pings for Soman and Narutolovehinata5. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 22:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Admittedly the direction still feels rather niche, but I think ALT1 is the best option among the hooks proposed so far. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm - I think the Jewish connection is clear (and the socialist connection implied) from just the name General Jewish Labour Bund. Besides, it's wikilinked! I'm not sure a complete rejection of this hook fact is merited here, though I agree the hook needs some workshopping. How about these:
- The connection is not clear at all and does not meet the broad interest criterion. Readers will not immediately get the socialist or Jewish connection. Please propose a new hook with a completely different hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I no longer have time to review this nomination so I would request that a new reviewer take over. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- new enough at time of nomination (65 days ago?) and long enough; I'll have to AGF on source quality, neutrality is okay (being mostly a factsheet), no plagiarism detected (AGF on foreign-language sources). I'm... hesitant to approve ALT1, though. Is it all that unusual that two not-too-distant political parties would elect a chairman from one of the parties? I am interested in the fact that the leader was elected from the smaller party in the coalition, though... QPQ has been done, but we still need a viable hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Soman for feedback... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- How about some simplicity? In 1917, a socialist coalition government was still a striking entity, and would have been very noticeable and newsworthy in itself. Also, general readers today can easily understand the meaning of this. Storye book (talk) 20:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that after the 1917 Minsk City Duma election the socialist parties formed a majority coalition?
- ALT3 ... that following the February Revolution and the 1917 Minsk City Duma election, the socialist parties of Minsk formed a majority coalition? Storye book (talk) 20:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hows about:
- ALT4: ... that a Jewish socialist became chairman of the Minsk city council in July 1917? Dahn (talk) 16:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book and Dahn: I appreciate the suggestions :) i'm hesitant, though. Is there something more notable about the election other than its winners? Were they the first socialists elected in the city? Anyways, my idea was: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT5: ... that the chairman elected following the 1917 Minsk City Duma election came from the smallest party in the ruling coalition?
- @Theleekycauldron:. Since you asked ... As far as I can understand, the various socialist groups which predated the 1917 Revolutions were secret and/or operated outside the countries which became the Soviet bloc, and argued and split all over the place. Regular elections of socialist local government began either legally or without wholesale persecution after the 1917 February and October revolutions. So - broadly speaking - yes it was not only probably the first legal, above-board and safe election of a socialist local government in Minsk, but also that type of event would have been very newsworthy and striking to people in both the Western and Eastern blocs. But because it was all such a mess between the late 1890s and 1917, we can't say that it was the first socialist election in Minsk - not worth the hassle, eh. On the other hand, saying that socialists won the elections in July 1917, almost directly after the February (1917) Revolution, is important. 1917 changed quite a large area of the world, and the 1917 Minsk election was a symptom of that change - a matter far more significant than the identity of the little guy that they chose to be leader of the coalition. Storye book (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book: I understand, and that's definitely noteworthy; but without that context somehow worked into the hook, our readers won't put that together. As a general rule of thumb, I don't think a hook should be run if the context is both vital to the hook's quality and unverifiable. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Your question was about it being the first election of socialists in Minsk. We don't yet have a hook that says it was the first. That was your idea. So I was responding that we couldn't support a hook with that idea of yours. However, we can support a hook that says that a socialist local govt was elected, because we have facts and citations for that in the article. Thus my hooks ALT 2 and 3 are permissible. If the consensus doesn't want those hooks, then fine - but they are verifiable. Storye book (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- What about ALT5 - ... that the General Jewish Labour Bund leader Arn Vaynshteyn became the Minsk city council chairman following the first municipal elections the 1917 February Revolution? --Soman (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- As per hook interest, I'd say it is relevant that a leader of a Jewish socialist party led the governance of what is today the capital of Belarus. It's not like Bund (or the other Jewish left-wing groups at the time) led a lot of local governments in mayor cities. And we need to factor in a lot of later developments (civil war, establishment of the USSR, WWII, Holocaust) that has drastically impacted the social and political life since then. --Soman (talk) 21:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- What about ALT5 - ... that the General Jewish Labour Bund leader Arn Vaynshteyn became the Minsk city council chairman following the first municipal elections the 1917 February Revolution? --Soman (talk) 21:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Your question was about it being the first election of socialists in Minsk. We don't yet have a hook that says it was the first. That was your idea. So I was responding that we couldn't support a hook with that idea of yours. However, we can support a hook that says that a socialist local govt was elected, because we have facts and citations for that in the article. Thus my hooks ALT 2 and 3 are permissible. If the consensus doesn't want those hooks, then fine - but they are verifiable. Storye book (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book: I understand, and that's definitely noteworthy; but without that context somehow worked into the hook, our readers won't put that together. As a general rule of thumb, I don't think a hook should be run if the context is both vital to the hook's quality and unverifiable. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:. Since you asked ... As far as I can understand, the various socialist groups which predated the 1917 Revolutions were secret and/or operated outside the countries which became the Soviet bloc, and argued and split all over the place. Regular elections of socialist local government began either legally or without wholesale persecution after the 1917 February and October revolutions. So - broadly speaking - yes it was not only probably the first legal, above-board and safe election of a socialist local government in Minsk, but also that type of event would have been very newsworthy and striking to people in both the Western and Eastern blocs. But because it was all such a mess between the late 1890s and 1917, we can't say that it was the first socialist election in Minsk - not worth the hassle, eh. On the other hand, saying that socialists won the elections in July 1917, almost directly after the February (1917) Revolution, is important. 1917 changed quite a large area of the world, and the 1917 Minsk election was a symptom of that change - a matter far more significant than the identity of the little guy that they chose to be leader of the coalition. Storye book (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT5: ... that the chairman elected following the 1917 Minsk City Duma election came from the smallest party in the ruling coalition?
- That's definitely true, Soman, but unless that context can be verifiably placed within the article, I don't see a way to restructure the hook to make that context apparent. The hook needs to stem from verifiably relevant context- outside knowledge tends to be hard to work in and make clear. We only have seconds of reader attention for DYK, to try and get them to click; it sucks, but expecting readers to put something like that together is usually not a recipe for a well-performing hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- If a suitable hook cannot be reached here, the nomination could end up being marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT6: ... that most of the Minsk garrison voted for the Socialist Revolutionaries (SR) at the 1917 Minsk election, and thirty-two SR deputies were returned to the city duma? Storye book (talk) 16:13, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that hook solves the earlier concerns about needing too much inside context to appreciate it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Just how stupid are our US general readers, my friend? What do you suppose they do not understand by garrison, Socialist Revolutionary and election? Those words are all linked anyway. So (in my humble perception of US terminology) it says that lots of soldiers voted for sort of Che Guevara types, and lots and lots of sort of Che Guevara types were elected. Or to put it another way, they might see it as loads of lefty liberals voted for loads of lefty liberals and they ended up with a lefty liberal local government. Simples. As for our Rest of the World readership, well we are better educated, and understand long words. Storye book (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron:. Storye book (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- To put it politely: Underestimating the attention span of our readership is a not insignificant task, and that's true across the world. I generally have two criteria in assessing hook interestingness: it should be easy for the reader to work out the information being presented and its significance, and that information should lure the reader into clicking on the article in order to learn more. I know we have different philosophies on that, which is what makes this discussion a little difficult (although I very much appreciate your perception of americaspeak :D). But from my point of view, it's not that readers can't work out why this might be significant – it's just that a significant proportion won't want to expend the thinking to do so, and then we lose them and they click on something less informative.
- Plus, take your statement on it:
they might see it as loads of lefty liberals voted for loads of lefty liberals and they ended up with a lefty liberal local government. Simples.
That makes the hook seem rather self-contained – which is good, if your goal is to inform everyone who might read and understand the hook without clicking, but it's not as good at actually getting people to click. And I know you know this because you're quite good at writing hooky hooks – just look at your work on Giant puppet, or Joseph Luker. You definitely know how to rope people into reading the full stories for all the interesting work you do, and I think that's really what DYK should be about. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that hook solves the earlier concerns about needing too much inside context to appreciate it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, theleekycauldron for coming in to help, and for lightening the atmos. Since there have been calls above for political context of the election to be added to the article, I have created a section for that. Anyone is welcome to extend or adjust it, though I tried to limit it to the events of July, to prevent the section from overwhelming the article.
- ALT7: ... that the 1917 Minsk City election was carried out peacefully in spite of the concurrent mass rebellion and near-martial law in Petrograd? Storye book (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT7 is a much better hook than all the previous proposals, and if the nominator agrees to it, I'd suggest striking out all the remaining options and going with just that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, it's quite good :) Storye book, is marxists.org a reliable source? Also, does the source demonstrate its relevance to the topic at hand? (yes, yes, i know, i'm being nitpicky, but i do wanna avoid WP:SYNTH issues). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they)!
- ALT7 is a much better hook than all the previous proposals, and if the nominator agrees to it, I'd suggest striking out all the remaining options and going with just that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:48, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Yes, it's reliable. Brian Baggins is a Marxist author, interpreter and transcriber from French and German of Marxist literature. He usually appends his sources online, as he has done in the cited article, and I have included those sources in the WP citation. That timeline page is pretty neutral in tone, compared with a lot of films on the subject that we have all seen Those films tend to concentrate on the violence and drama, whereas the timeline is just the bare bones of what happened.
- As for fears of synthesis - well, if the article were about e.g. one small skirmish during the Battle of the Somme, it would be relevant for purposes of historical context to include a brief background paragraph about what was going on in the Somme area in general at the time, to put the skirmish in context, and we wouldn't need the source for the general horrors of the greater battlefield to mention the skirmish. Storye book (talk) 10:02, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Soman for their thoughts on ALT7. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:54, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT7 is ready for a review. Per the discussion, none of the previously-proposed hooks are under consideration. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Storye book (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Storye book's assessment of the reliability of the source checks out- I'm still a little shaky on the synthesis, since the source doesn't draw a direct line from itself to the event at hand. That said, I won't stand in the way of someone else offering their tick. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- To next reviewer: Please note that the source for the political background in Petrograd does not need to refer to the July 1917 Minsk election, that's the whole point. The point is that the dramatic and violent political background of the country was continuing separately, while Minsk was able to hold a peaceful election. You can assess the extent of that separation, by the fact that Bolsheviks were being arrested just for being Bolsheviks on the orders of Stalin in Petrograd, while in relatively peaceful Minsk, they were able to happily elect Bolsheviks to their duma (local government body), and form a governing coalition which included Bolsheviks. All that info is in the article and cited. Storye book (talk) 10:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Storye book's assessment of the reliability of the source checks out- I'm still a little shaky on the synthesis, since the source doesn't draw a direct line from itself to the event at hand. That said, I won't stand in the way of someone else offering their tick. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Storye book (talk) 08:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I conducted a copyedit of the article, particularly of the "Contemporary political context" section because I was concerned about wikivoice. I conducted this review under the pretext that ALT7 is the agreed upon hook. I'm not so much concerned about the turmoil in Russia (the "Contemporary political context" section covers that). However, there isn't mention in the article that the election was peaceful. Is there a source that specifies that this election was peaceful, without military conflict, or something similar? This information can be added in a "Legacy" or "Analysis" section at the end that tells the reader how sources have analysed this election. Without a source specifying the peaceful nature of this election, I believe that it would be original research to use ALT7. Z1720 (talk) 00:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is clear from the sources that we have, and the article, that the Minsk election was conducted in at least comparative peace, since Stalin was arresting Bolsheviks in Petrograd, for just being Bolsheviks (and we may guess what being arrested by Stalin implied), but in Minsk they were electing Bolsheviks and putting them in coalition government of Minsk without challenge. Therefore although there was a counter-revolutionary skirmish going on in Petrograd (then the acting capital), Minsk was at that point untouched by it. If you want to rephrase the article and hook to cover that situation, then please do. Meanwhile I should have thought that pretty well anything counted as peaceful in proto-Soviet Russia if there was no revolutionary stuff going on. Yes, you can see from the article that there was much jostling for position among the factions hoping for leadership, but that's just politics. The fact that Bolsheviks could be elected along with others of widely differing views tells us that people in Minsk were able in June 1917 to conduct political business without killing or jailing each other. I have done no OR in writing that section. The source is clear to see for all readers: in Petrograd Stalin was arresting all Bolsheviks; in Minsk they were electing them. Storye book (talk) 09:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- If we are having a context passage, perhaps good to mention the proximity of Minsk to frontline... unfortunately, I'm way to busy with non-wikipedia stuff these days to find a good ref on this. --Soman (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Soman: I have found the ref you are looking for, and have added it with a statement about Minsk not being directly in the theatre of war or revolution during July 1917. You are welcome to improve the statement as you see fit. However we could still just omit the word "peacefully" from the hook if you wish, and it would still work. Storye book (talk) 15:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Per WP:V, Wikipedia does not publish things based on the conclusions of editors. Rather, it publishes what reliable sources say. I do not see where in the article a reliable source cites that the 1917 Minsk City Duma election was peaceful, as the city being peaceful does not mean that the election was peaceful. I'm suggesting an ALT below:
- ALT8: ...that Bolsheviks were elected in the 1917 Minsk City election while Stalin was arresting their supporters in Petrograd?
- Thoughts? Z1720 (talk) 01:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Thank you. I'm happy with ALT8. Storye book (talk) 07:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Can you approve ALT8 so we can move this nomination along? Z1720 (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't approve ALT8... the Bolsheviks didn't win the Minsk vote and there isn't any established third-party source that makes a connection between the Stalin's role in Petrograd events and Minsk municipal election. --Soman (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Soman: can you propose an ALT that would be acceptable? Z1720 (talk) 15:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm puzzled: the section List "5 - Social Democrats" says that Bolsheviks were elected as part of the social democrats group: "Vasily Vashkevich [ru], Kārlis Landers, I. F. Skuratowicz, V. Golubeva and Nevsky were among the Bolshevik members of the city duma". Sorry - did I misunderstand something? Storye book (talk) 17:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Soman: can you propose an ALT that would be acceptable? Z1720 (talk) 15:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't approve ALT8... the Bolsheviks didn't win the Minsk vote and there isn't any established third-party source that makes a connection between the Stalin's role in Petrograd events and Minsk municipal election. --Soman (talk) 14:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Can you approve ALT8 so we can move this nomination along? Z1720 (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Thank you. I'm happy with ALT8. Storye book (talk) 07:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Storye book: Per WP:V, Wikipedia does not publish things based on the conclusions of editors. Rather, it publishes what reliable sources say. I do not see where in the article a reliable source cites that the 1917 Minsk City Duma election was peaceful, as the city being peaceful does not mean that the election was peaceful. I'm suggesting an ALT below:
- @Soman: I have found the ref you are looking for, and have added it with a statement about Minsk not being directly in the theatre of war or revolution during July 1917. You are welcome to improve the statement as you see fit. However we could still just omit the word "peacefully" from the hook if you wish, and it would still work. Storye book (talk) 15:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- If we are having a context passage, perhaps good to mention the proximity of Minsk to frontline... unfortunately, I'm way to busy with non-wikipedia stuff these days to find a good ref on this. --Soman (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 16
Avtar Singh Jouhl
- ... that as part of his campaign to end the colour bar, Avtar Singh Jouhl took Malcolm X to a segregated pub in Smethwick? Source: [1] "He also had a drink at a pub with Avtar Singh Jouhl, from the Indian Workers' Association, who had invited him to Smethwick. Mr Jouhl said he wanted to make Malcolm X aware of segregation in pubs and bars."
Created by Davidjes601 (talk) and Zeromonk (talk). Nominated by Zeromonk (talk) at 09:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC).
- Joofjoof I would say say so, but only on the topic of things relating to bars (pubs) and beers. SL93 (talk) 00:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Good Beer Hunting is a reliable source for the topic per its editorial staff and the awards won. However, there are multiple citation needed tags in the article and Eagwig is showing copyright violations. SL93 (talk) 00:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC) SL93 (talk) 00:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Zeromonk: It has been several weeks since the review and the issues have remained unaddressed. Please return to the nomination and address the concerns, otherwise it may be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- The citation needed tags were taken care of by someone else, but the copyright violations are still there. SL93 (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks folks - I did the CN tags but the article written after the Wiki article is causing the CopyVio - you'll see from the publication dates that the Wiki one came first, so it isn't actually CopyVio - the later article echoes this text rather than the other way around. Zeromonk (talk) 07:42, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Diff 1077118420 (March 14, 2022) has the same text that got flagged as copyvio with the article (published March 16, 2022), so this is a somewhat odd case of WP:BACKWARDSCOPY. Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 08:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I see, apologies Padgriffin, the author (of both the Wiki article and the GBH article) told me that the Wiki one published first. The text flagged as CV are all quotes within quotemarks and cited - I can't rewrite the quotes, would you suggest that I remove them? Zeromonk (talk) 12:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Diff 1077118420 (March 14, 2022) has the same text that got flagged as copyvio with the article (published March 16, 2022), so this is a somewhat odd case of WP:BACKWARDSCOPY. Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 08:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks folks - I did the CN tags but the article written after the Wiki article is causing the CopyVio - you'll see from the publication dates that the Wiki one came first, so it isn't actually CopyVio - the later article echoes this text rather than the other way around. Zeromonk (talk) 07:42, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- The citation needed tags were taken care of by someone else, but the copyright violations are still there. SL93 (talk) 15:15, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Zeromonk: It seems like most of the quotes are properly attributed and would pass MOS:QUOTE, so there's not really any real reason to remove them IMO.
- I believe that all the issues raised above have been dealt with. Earwig is still an issue, but I don't think we can resolve that. I'm going to ignore earwig. I added the photo to the nomination. --evrik (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Copyright violations should not be on the main page. SL93 (talk) 22:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- evrik This isn't the case of a backwards copy of the article due to there being two articles that the article matches closely. I can think of ways to reword everything that is highlighted on Earwig. I'm not sure why you think it can't be done. SL93 (talk) 22:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- I read that @Nikkimaria: might look at this. The issues found here are deminimis. The passages from goodbeerhunting are mostly quotes. --evrik (talk) 21:03, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- There's something odd going on with the sourcing - I see for example that "quite a few times" is quoted as being from goodbeerhunting, but does not appear in it. Ditto the info on his religion, his nephew, his children... all don't seem to be verified by the given citations. Was another source removed? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:54, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria I remember seeing the information elsewhere and it appears that I mixed things up by mixing up information I read elsewhere to what was in the article. I'm having trouble finding it again, but that is probably for the best since the article history shows that Davidjes601 placed those false citations. It would still be long enough with that information removed so maybe that is an option? SL93 (talk) 00:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Potentially, but there seems to be some confusion around other sources as well - for example "didn't cut Indian hair" does appear in the goodbeer source, but is cited to another source in which it does not appear. So I'd say some more thorough verification work is needed. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- I will take care of that today since I already did the rewording. I will post back here when that's done. SL93 (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria Though I do feel like I should receive a DYKmake credit if my work pushes the nomination through. Not sure if that sounds selfish though. SL93 (talk) 00:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria I think I got it. SL93 (talk) 01:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Potentially, but there seems to be some confusion around other sources as well - for example "didn't cut Indian hair" does appear in the goodbeer source, but is cited to another source in which it does not appear. So I'd say some more thorough verification work is needed. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria I remember seeing the information elsewhere and it appears that I mixed things up by mixing up information I read elsewhere to what was in the article. I'm having trouble finding it again, but that is probably for the best since the article history shows that Davidjes601 placed those false citations. It would still be long enough with that information removed so maybe that is an option? SL93 (talk) 00:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
There is enough problematic here that I think this should be closed as failed. There is still blatant copyvio such as "a majority black and Asian town" and an over reliance on quotes. --Guerillero Parlez Moi 09:12, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree. This is an piece about a person that adds needed diversity to our DYK postings. I think we let this one get fixed. --evrik (talk) 14:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- The only copyvio left is "a majority black and Asian town". The rest are things that can't be reworded such as "the London School of Economics" and "the Indian Workers’ Association (IWA)". I can reword that one part, but I'm not going to if there is a chance of this being failed due to an over reliance on quotes. SL93 (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- the much more pressing problem is the tag added by Nikkimaria; it's a WP:DISPUTETAG, and the nomination can't be promoted until it's off. While the quotes are a little more than I'd personally use, i don't think it rises to the level of OVERQUOTE or copyvio. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron Thanks for adding the author contribution. I reworded the last bit of copyvio (no such as, that was it). I also removed much of the quoting by making some of it into pure non-quoted prose. I'm hoping that Nikkimaria returns, I did ping them here before. SL93 (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately on spotchecks I still have concerns about verifiability. For example the claim that he campaigned for Walker is cited to this source that doesn't mention him. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria Saying one example isn't nearly as good as listing all of the issues at once. With that, it could be corrected in one go. SL93 (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't check every single source; someone will need to go through all of them to make sure the article is supported, before the tag can be removed. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria I agree with what Evrik says about the needed diversity for DYK, but I vote for closing this nomination because the nominators aren't trying to fix anything. Adding false citations after I brought up the citation needed tags is not helpful and I already removed several unsupported sentences and their "sources". I just completely removed the Walker information, mostly due to the article being a BLP. SL93 (talk) 01:53, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- I concur with Guerillero about closing this nomination. SL93 (talk) 01:53, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93, Nikkimaria, and Theleekycauldron:Hello folks, I am interested in working on this but I am not able to be as active on Wiki as frequently as I would like due to personal circumstances, please can you bear with me whilst I try to find the time to read and address the messages on this? Also, please AGF - if sources have been incorrectly matched with information my attempts to try and fix this in the time I have available then I sincerely apologise but it was not in an attempt to be "false" but likely because I have attached the wrong citation to a sentence - an error but not deception. Zeromonk (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93, Nikkimaria, and Theleekycauldron: Checking the verifiability now. Should be okay task as likely one (AGF) error only. Stinglehammer (talk) 15:32, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93, Nikkimaria, and Theleekycauldron:Hello folks, I am interested in working on this but I am not able to be as active on Wiki as frequently as I would like due to personal circumstances, please can you bear with me whilst I try to find the time to read and address the messages on this? Also, please AGF - if sources have been incorrectly matched with information my attempts to try and fix this in the time I have available then I sincerely apologise but it was not in an attempt to be "false" but likely because I have attached the wrong citation to a sentence - an error but not deception. Zeromonk (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't check every single source; someone will need to go through all of them to make sure the article is supported, before the tag can be removed. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nikkimaria Saying one example isn't nearly as good as listing all of the issues at once. With that, it could be corrected in one go. SL93 (talk) 01:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately on spotchecks I still have concerns about verifiability. For example the claim that he campaigned for Walker is cited to this source that doesn't mention him. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron Thanks for adding the author contribution. I reworded the last bit of copyvio (no such as, that was it). I also removed much of the quoting by making some of it into pure non-quoted prose. I'm hoping that Nikkimaria returns, I did ping them here before. SL93 (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- on hold pending this being sorted out. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Stinglehammer, what on earth is this article doing with {{Verified}} templates all over it, which shows up as a green check icon followed by Verified. If you want to add a hidden comment that you've verified a particular statement, that's okay as a temporary measure, but it should never be visible to readers. Also, are you done with the verification process? You left an article template that indicated that there was more work to do, though it was removed by a bot after being up for over a week. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Stinglehammer I think you meant to respond here instead of the article talk page. There are two "Needs verified" in the article. SL93 (talk) 18:00, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can't see which ones need verifying (not sure how to turn on hidden comments?) but I suspect they're the physcial books that someone would need to go to a library and check. Thanks all so much for your work on this. Is there anything else required from me to help with this one at this point, or is it now ready for a re-review? Zeromonk (talk) 07:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Zeromonk, the two "failed verification" tags are visible to all and in the Career section: the first at the end of the first subsection, and the second in the middle paragraph of the second subsection. Can you check them? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can't see which ones need verifying (not sure how to turn on hidden comments?) but I suspect they're the physcial books that someone would need to go to a library and check. Thanks all so much for your work on this. Is there anything else required from me to help with this one at this point, or is it now ready for a re-review? Zeromonk (talk) 07:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 22
Judiciary of Poland
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that in Poland a mean court judge processed almost four cases per day?Source: 14.38 million estimate given by GUS; 10,000 judge estimate can be seen in table, divide this per 365 per WP:CALC, which is in the text- ALT1: ... that in Poland the courts processed 14.38 million cases in 2020 while having fewer than 10,000 judges? Source: Same as above, just not divided
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that the ECHR found three of five chambers of the Supreme Court, Poland's top court, not to be properly constituted within the meaning of Article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights?Source: See "Partisan control of the National Council of the Judiciary" part, last para - ALT3: ...
that the Constitutional Tribunal, Poland's top court, ruled it was not a court?Source: Notes from Poland - ALT4: ...
that the State Tribunal, the Polish court tasked with trial of the highest politicians, only convened three times in the past 40 years?Source: In text - Reviewed: User:Szmenderowiecki/Sort of recognised contributions
- Comment: Please refer to the (exhaustive AFAIK) list of all of my DYK reviews and submissions for the purposes of QPQ. Feel free to add an entry to the list once the nomination is processed and (hopefully) accepted. 4 cases per day may be substituted by 1,500 per year, as verified here. ALT3 could actually go to April 1 if possible, though the problem might be that the ruling (unfortunately) exists and that the argument relies on the technicality of the Polish Constitution described in the lead (about tribunals in general).
5x expanded by Szmenderowiecki (talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 22 March 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: I don't think that ALT0 checks out because you don't have figures for the "average (median?) court judge", but are just dividing the cases by the number of judges. I don't consider ALT4 to be interesting because due to the small number of top politicians, it doesn't make sense for the court to convene a lot. For ALT2, the precise findings were that these courts were not "established by law", mainly because of irregular appointments. See here for an explanation of the exact provision and how it's applied by the ECHR. See below for another version. For ALT3, I think it could be reworded but is confusing as it stands (it would be clearer with "itself", but still confusing). (t · c) buidhe 06:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2a: ... that the European Court of Human Rights ruled that three of the five chambers of Poland's top court were not "independent and impartial tribunals"?
- I have to respectufully disagree with most of your arguments.
- ALT2a: ... that the European Court of Human Rights ruled that three of the five chambers of Poland's top court were not "independent and impartial tribunals"?
- As for ALT0/ALT1, the quote being verified is translated from Polish as: "Polish judges (there are about 10,000 of them) process approx. 15 million cases, which means that an average [mean, not median] judge processes about 1,500 cases per year," which was verified using 2018 data. I've used 2020 data and the same methodology. It was fact-checked as true back in 2020. Yes, it is a number of cases divided by judges (with all the problems that appear with measuring mean not median values, but this does not invalidate the hook as such, as I properly state that I calculate an average. I do have that data.
- I don't see what's confusing about ALT3. Granted, it is apparently contradictory, but that's the point of DYKs (be
short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article – as long as they don't misstate the article content
). Additionally, I don't actually see how I can reword it using "itself". Will you propose the rewording for this one, considering the article to which this is sourced? - ALT2a is OK, but I'd consider other options first. (Modified because the relevant part is not not being established by law but their independence 18:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC))
- ALT4 is at the low end of my priorities, so I'll drop this one to expedite the process.
- Re QPQ requirement, that's not my reading of the QPQ rules. It merely says that I must
review one other nomination (unrelated to you)
and provide proof of that for examination. The full registry is available there, with my submissions reviewed (6) and my reviews (18). How is that not sufficient? Besides, I don't want to accidentally duplicate the QPQ claims, which AFAIK are not logged anywhere (unlike credits for reviews). If the newest review must be claimed for QPQ and I'm misreading the policy (not you), take my Template:Did you know nominations/Vitamin A review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 13:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)- I do not know about Polish, but in English many people are going to see "average" and think it means "median" in this context. It would be clearer to talk about the mean number of cases handled per judge. Not to mention, each day is unclear whether we're talking about all days or working days...
- Looking at ALT3 and not knowing the details of this case, I wouldn't know "what is it". Admittedly, right now I can't think of a good rewrite.
- The reason most DYK participants link which DYK hook they are counting for QPQ is because otherwise it's impossible to tell if they claim the same review twice (I've done this by accident). (t · c) buidhe 21:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK, got it. The relevant ruling (summary) for ALT3 is here. In Polish (see full case here). The funny thing is, the English version says that the trial must happen in a
tribunal established by law
, while the Polish version talks ofsąd ustanowiony ustawą
. The ruling heavily relies on the technical distinction between what the Constitution calls a "court" and a "tribunal". The ruling basically says that the ECHR did not properly analyse the legal position of the Tribunal, and, since the Constitutional Tribunal is only a judicial organ but does not determine the outcome of cases like most courts do, it does not administer justice and therefore is not a tribunal/court within Article 6, which they argue only applies to the courts which administer justice. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK, got it. The relevant ruling (summary) for ALT3 is here. In Polish (see full case here). The funny thing is, the English version says that the trial must happen in a
Second opinion requested as this review has stalled for a month and there have been some changes by Micga to the article in the meantime, which might impact the new assessment. Consider him as a co-nom to this nomination due to these changes.Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
In response to the new review request above, I shall review this. I shall do a full review to familiarise myself with the material (it is a long article, anyway). So no disrespect to Buidhe. Storye book (talk) 14:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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- These points affect DYK
Too many paragraphs have no citations at the end. We cannot pass this DYK until that matter is resolved.Earwig is not working for me at the moment, so I am accepting in good faith that it's plagiarism-free.Re ALT1: Please give us a link for the numbers in this hook. I don't believe that I can accept the hook without an actual citation (linked or offline) which gives those particular numbers.(ETA: Citation 118 "Dlaczego sądy są tak bardzo odległe od obywateli i działają przewlekle" covers this)Re ALT2: That is an interesting hook: I would favour that hook if you could please add a citation to the end of the last paragraph in the section, which you refer to.(Update: I have struck ALT2 because the hook is not written out in the above form in the article, making it too difficult for the general reader to check it out).
- Points which do not affect DYK
- I do think that the article would be more readable and comprehensible if it contained more summaries and fewer detailed lists. Readers who really want to know the long lists of details would consult the sources, anyway. However this point does not affect DYK.
- I have copyedited the first half of the article, but I did not do the rest. It is not in a bad condition language-wise, and I did resolve the disambig links. This does not affect DYK.
When the issues regarding the missing citations, and the hooks, are resolved, this nominations should be good to go. Storye book (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Storye book, thanks for the review. I haven't been editing the article for quite a while, and I see that some substantial changes were made since I tried to make an article in order, but I couldn't. Btw, I will also work on the shortened infographic as National Appeal Chamber's rulings cannot be appealed to administrative courts, but Adobe Illustrator won't let me correct it without major disruption. Micga is pinged as courtesy.
- Re ALT1: the source is Rocznik Statystyczny Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej 2021, p. 165 for caseload, p. 164 for number of judges (it is available online). It is also (I hope) very well summarised in the table with the salaries, where the number of judges is given by each category.
- Re ALT2: the citation is to three ECHR cases. Now the information might become outdated once the bill demolishing the Disciplinary Chamber becomes law, but that should be clear in a week or two.
- Re long lists: I also think that they generally belong in their respective articles, but since we don't have them yet, they will stay in the text for now. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 04:53, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Szmenderowiecki:.
- * Thank you for the update. There are still two points to deal with.
- * (1)
There are still too many citation-needed templates on the article. We need to have all paragraphs and all bulleted points cited before we can pass this nom. (If this were a light-hearted subject, then perhaps we might not need to be so careful about citations, e.g. for every bullet point, but law is a serious matter. We have to have all facts cited, for DYK). - * (2) Re ALT2: This fact occurs in section "Capture of the Constitutional Tribunal", end of first paragraph. The citation for the hook facts at the end of that para ("ETPC: Udział dublera w składzie Trybunału narusza prawo do sądu") is fine, with Google Translate. But you need to write out the hook in the same words in that place, because our readers will not be able to find it using a page-search. You have not even mentioned article 6 in the article's text.
- (I am not asking you to summarise chart-lists. But some of the sections contain lists within paragraphs or under bullet points. The important word in the article is "judiciary", so we need focus on and prioritise just the main points about the judiciary, e.g. to know their position and their responsibilities, and summarise within that framework. For example, lists of bulleted responsibilities can be summarised, making the article easier to read Note: this point is not necessary for DYK.) Storye book (talk) 09:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Since I originally intended this as a pre-GA nomination, I will address all these points anyway, to the best I can. I will be working on the article for the next couple of hours. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also, re ALT2, the relevant sentence is this one: "The Strasbourg court agreed, declaring the Disciplinary Chamber, the Chamber of Extraordinary Control and Public Affairs and the Civil Chamber not to be independent and impartial tribunals established by law", with three sources given to each chamber (each of the rulings are now final). The sentence you provided is indeed in the text but I don't intend to make a hook based on it. The Constitutional Tribunal hook is in ALT3, but it was struck for whatever reason by buidhe (who said it was confusing). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 16:25, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you . Since you are working on it, please may I suggest creating a clear overall pattern or or overview framework for the article. My experience of reading it so far has been a feeling of drowning in detail, for which there was no overall framework to arrange it all in context. One way to correct this is to imagine that you are writing it for a young, intelligent teenager who can understand explanations but who initially knows nothing at all. You don't need to be patronising to do this - just start with a few simple sentences giving an overview of the situation of the judiciary, e.g. (putting it simply) what is the purpose of their job, how are they supposed to do that job, what difficulties stand in their way, and so on. To maintain this clarity throughout the article, you would need to summarise a lot of the detail, then that detail can be made available in links or citations. I'm not suggesting that you do those things in exactly that way, but the principle is that the article should be clear, concise and to the point, and not bogged down with distracting detail. I am going to the trouble of writing this because I think the article subject is worth the hard work of improving it. It is an important subject. I repeat that this suggestion does not affect DYK. Storye book (talk) 16:27, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Update: Thank you, Micga and Szmenderowiecki for improvements that you have made on the article in the past few days. Please let me know when you are ready for me to give the article another DYK update. Storye book (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Storye book, I have condensed the article, as you've proposed, and split the common court section (the huge one) into a separate article, so the amount of text went from 64K characters to 52K characters. Citation needed tags have been addressed either by adding refs or by making text references to the articles of the Constitution, or the relevant laws, or (in one case) to a dedicated article about a crisis within the Constitutional Tribunal.
- There is one hook that you might find interesting, and it is this:
- ALT5 ... that while there is little variation in the approval of the Polish court system in general among the Polish electorate, the support for the Constitutional Tribunal is split along partisan lines? (See: newest poll from March 2022)
- but I don't insist on it and you can promote the one you consider to be more interesting (particularly since it seems to be about the same thing in the US, where the Supreme Court is politicised while lower courts aren't subject to that much debate). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Szmenderowiecki for the expansion, the update and the ALT3. I shall have to check all these out later, because this is Platinum Jubilee Week in the UK, and most of us here are somewhat distracted by it, in various ways. I'll try to look at it later today or tomorrow, Monday at the latest. If by Monday you think I've forgotten, please ping me. Thanks for your patience. Storye book (talk) 10:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Update: I have started to take a fresh look at this, since you revised the article. ALT2 is now redundant, since that hook is not mentioned in the above form in the article, making it impossible for the general reader to check it out. If you still want ALT2 as one of the choices, then please write it out in its above form, in the article, with its citation(s) next to it, and let us know. Until then I shall be considering ALT5. I don't have time to check out ALT5 and read through the article in full today; it will have to be tomorrow, Monday. Storye book (talk) 10:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I beg to disagree. ALT2 sentence (the paragraph that starts with "In addition to that, several judges and lawyers..." is still there and no one did anything to it, so in fact the general reader is able to verify it. The only difference is that I do not name all chambers by name. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- The problem from the viewpoint of DYK is that the general reader will use search terms taken from the hook to find its facts in the article. I don't think there are any phrases that we can take from the hook, which are exactly repeated in that paragraph. After you directed me to that paragraph, I had difficulty matching the exact or full meaning of the hook in that parapgraph, even with the understanding that the hook is rephrased there. This is a long and complex article, so we cannot assume that the reader who has just clicked on the hook has yet read any of the rest of the article. So they are searching "in the dark" for a matching phrase or word from the hook.
- I beg to disagree. ALT2 sentence (the paragraph that starts with "In addition to that, several judges and lawyers..." is still there and no one did anything to it, so in fact the general reader is able to verify it. The only difference is that I do not name all chambers by name. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Update: Thank you, Micga and Szmenderowiecki for improvements that you have made on the article in the past few days. Please let me know when you are ready for me to give the article another DYK update. Storye book (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- You, as an expert on the subject, clearly know what it all means, and can easily comprehend that paragraph's implications. I, who have (so far) read the previous incarnation of the article and have a rough idea of the hook facts, still cannot share your deeper understanding. I need the exact hook copied exactly into that paragraph, with its appropriate citation(s) next to it. You don't necessarily have to replace any of the existing wording with the hook wording. You could, for example, say: "in other words" - hook wording - citation. OK, that's repetitious from your point of view, but to a general reader it's clarification. Please be patient with this request. If you want ALT2 to be one of our choices with the text remaining as it is, and it gets promoted, it would be thrown out of prep for sure, and we would then have to put the hook wording in anyway, to get ALT2 passed. Please be patient, I am just trying to get this nomination accepted and passed. Storye book (talk) 09:51, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
I am now starting to read through the article. I'll add points here, as I find them, and will let you know when I've finished this task. I shall copyedit as I go (minor copyediting by the reviewer does not affect DYK). Storye book (talk) 16:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- (1) First impressions: a massive improvement in structure and clarity. Congratulations on the bits I've read so far. One issue found: 3rd para of Supreme court section, beginning "Because of the universally". That is actually a correctly-constructed sentence ... I think .. but it is such a gloriously entangled set of over-arched clauses, that it is more of a hindrance to understanding than an aid. I suggest that you split it into several sentences, for clarity's sake. Storye book (talk) 10:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- (2) If you are using a two-word phrase as an adjective, then it is usual practice to join those two words with a hyphen (you will see an example of that in this sentence). I'm correcting all the ones that I find in the article. Just letting you know. Storye book (talk) 10:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- (3) Re para beginning: "The Supreme Court is led by". In formal English, the parenthesis that includes the "etc." at the end of the para would be considered undisciplined, partly because "etc." can perhaps include anything - even innuendo. In formal English, you would normally replace that last bracketed bit with something like: "for example, a lack of independence of judges, or unnecessarily slow decisions on cases". I'll let you correct this one. Storye book (talk) 10:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- (4) It's "embroiled in", not "embroiled into". If you imagine substituting the word "entangled", then it's easier to get the syntax right (I have corrected this one). Storye book (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- (5) You need a citation at the end of the first para of the Administrative courts section, and at the end of the first para of the State tribunal section. Links to other articles are not sufficient, because we cannot use WP as a citation.Storye book (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- (6) I am now looking at the Staff section, and finding more missing citations. Please do a page search for "citation needed", throughout the article (there may be more added later). As previously mentioned, links to WP are not sufficient for a citation. Storye book (talk) 16:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Note to self: I have checked the article as far as and including the Judges sitting in the tribunals section. I shall continue reading through the article later. Storye book (talk) 16:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Re citation needed tags, I believe that literal translations from the articles of the Constitution do not need additional cites, because otherwise I will be forced to literally put the ref to the Constitution of Poland. I think it is pointless, because I explicitly point to the article of the Constitution, and fortunately the Polish constitution isn't written in the 18th-century poetic language of some out-of-touch intellectuals :). I am not speaking of some interpretations of the Constitution, which do need to be supplied with the citation.
- Re hook: I also don't agree with this one. So long as the hook is verifiable, mentioned in text and appropriately cited (WP:DYK, point 3), it's all right. It really doesn't have to be literally mentioned, the thing to consider is whether the hook distorts the meaning of the sentence it comes from. I am ready to discuss, I just don't think that not being immediately able to find it using Ctrl+F because of paraphrasing is a valid reason to reject it.
- Other than that, I tried to implement your remarks and I'm looking forward to further suggestions. Thanks for the corrections you've made. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:46, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
@Szmenderowiecki: Thank you for your response. I won't get into discussion about the hook yet, because I still have to finish going through the article, and that is a long job. When I've done that, I'll get back to the matter of the hook. What I will say, now, is that my point about the hook is not about my own opinion or about whether I agree with you. It's about what will get through DYK and what will be thrown out of prep. But I'll discuss that later. Storye book (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Micga and Storye book:, I believe we might have to suspend the nomination because large changes are being introduced to the parts of the article already reviewed. I myself am losing track of them, and some of them introduce unsourced fragments to the article. I'm simply reluctant to revert them (which I've already done on some separate occasions, in different places) so as not to appear to be asserting ownership the article. We need to resolve them. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 00:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Szmenderowiecki, I agree with you on that. When or if Micga tells us they have stopped editing, at least for the duration of DYK, we can start again here, if that is what you want to do. Storye book (talk) 09:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Update: @ Szmenderowiecki. I have checked the talkpage of the disruptive editor, and it appears that they have a history of disruptive editing, unwarranted page moves, refusing to discuss on the talk page, and not giving edit summaries - and they were temporarily blocked last year. So I don't think we are going to get a resolution in the normal manner. If they don't get blocked again soon, then I suggest that we wait until the current major-editing session ends, then replace the entire article with the last previous version of the article that you approve of. We can then put back any of those edits that you agree with. I don't believe that this recourse would be ownership on your part. It would be salvaging an article from disruptive edits. Storye book (talk) 10:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- @ Admin. Please note that this nomination is temporarily suspended, due to current major changes in the article which are beyond the control of the nominator and reviewer. It is hoped that we may be able to resume this nomination in due course - so please don't close it down yet. Storye book (talk) 09:29, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 24
Frank H. Wadsworth
- ... that prior to the passage of the Endangered Species Act of 1973, conservationist and researcher Frank H. Wadsworth (pictured) became involved with the efforts to recover the Puerto Rican parrot population? Source: Williams, Gerald W. The Forest Service Fighting for Public Lands. Greenwood Press, 2006. p. 301. ISBN 9780313337949.
Created by Jmoliver (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 19:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC).
- Evrik I will review it. dawnleelynn(talk) 18:04, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: The nomination is new enough, long enough, ran Earwig and it's copyright free. I adjusted the article so it's got the inline citation. There's an image, I think it's done correctly. The hook is good. Sources are reliable and there's about 5 to clean up which don't affect the article much. The prose is great. dawnleelynn(talk) 15:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC) y
- Hi, Evrik I have gone through the sources first. There are a few issues to rectify first if you would please. First, there are two links to familysearch .org that come up to sign ins when clicked. Perhaps this is expected behavior? Links to sign in box and Links to sign in box. There are several Facebook sources found. See WP:Facebook I'll not put them all in but there are four. However, one comes up with 'Log into Facebook' so I will list that here: [2]. There is one flickr link and I call attention to the text thst says social media is discouraged regarding both Facebook and Flickr. [3]. [4] This site has a paywall. The next two sites look like blogs. But are Spanish so hasrd teo tell but pictures look social. [5] and [6] Thanks for your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawnleelynn (talk • contribs) 16:28, April 11, 2022 (UTC)
- @Jmoliver: I don't know that those sources are needed. Is it possible for you to clean-up some of these sources? --evrik (talk) 20:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- This nomination has some close paraphrasing that needs cleaning up. In Earwig, it's the first two sources listed. dawnleelynn(talk) 22:56, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think I got the paraphrasing down to an acceptable level. --evrik (talk) 00:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evrik There is no paraphrasing left that I can see now, great. dawnleelynn(talk) 01:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Dawnleelynn: You going to finish this? --evrik (talk) 04:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- evrik I guess we've both been waiting on the other party. I never heard back on the sources cleanup that I wrote up. You had pinged another on them. Let me know. It's late, I'll look first thing tomorrow to make sure there wasn't anything else. dawnleelynn(talk) 05:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- evrik OK, I signed off. You'll have to handle those 5 or so sources in your own time. Also, does the image look good at 100px? Good luck! dawnleelynn(talk) 15:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Dawnleelynn, Jmoliver, and Theleekycauldron: I'm not clear on the status of this nomination. The article has 58 citations. Some of them may be sources that are tied to facebook and flickr. but that's where the information was published. Again, there are 58 citations, I think this can pass. --evrik (talk) 19:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Evrik: no objection to the nomination moving forward (although I haven't looked too far into detail); I was using this nomination as a guinea pig for a promotion script I'm writing. Sorry for the confusion! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Jmoliver and Evrik: There's a couple of sentences that are uncited in the article, including "Wadsworth created a reference book towards those who aim to make tropical forests more productive as well as students in the forestry schools." and some of the honors. Can these be cited please? Z1720 (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Evrik: you catch that ping from Z1720? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Evrik: ping because my pings weren't working theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:22, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Jmoliver and Evrik: There's a couple of sentences that are uncited in the article, including "Wadsworth created a reference book towards those who aim to make tropical forests more productive as well as students in the forestry schools." and some of the honors. Can these be cited please? Z1720 (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Evrik: no objection to the nomination moving forward (although I haven't looked too far into detail); I was using this nomination as a guinea pig for a promotion script I'm writing. Sorry for the confusion! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Evrik: happy to promote with the original hook right now; but before I did, I thought I'd float including the 3,200 acres? It gives the hook a chance to talk about a success, and not just a novelty. I can write the hook if needed. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:49, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: okay by me. --evrik (talk) 01:48, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Even if the article is fixed so that there are no copyvios with the English sources, we really do need someone to go through the Spanish sources. SL93 (talk) 19:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think we can take it back to this version. That should remove most of the problematic content. --evrik (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- evrik, whatever is done will need to remove all of the problematic content, not merely most. And nothing has been done after ten days, beyond theleekycauldron's edits made just before the article was pulled. If good progress on the necessary checks and edits hasn't been accomplished in another seven days, perhaps it is time to close this nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think we can take it back to this version. That should remove most of the problematic content. --evrik (talk) 01:53, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Even if the article is fixed so that there are no copyvios with the English sources, we really do need someone to go through the Spanish sources. SL93 (talk) 19:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron, BlueMoonset, and Dawnleelynn: I've taken it way back. Stripped out a lot of text. It lowered the earwig factors. I think its okay now. --evrik (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- evrik, did you actually check the Spanish sources as SL93 specified, or find someone to take on that task? There's really no point in calling for a new reviewer unless that's been done given the many issues that caused the article to be pulled in the first place. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have read the Spanish sources. What can I say? The content has been translated, but I see no copy/paste issues. --evrik (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Copyright laws don't allow copy and pasting of direct translations. It's fine if it's not copied and pasted. SL93 (talk) 16:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Evrik The first part of my comment was just a general statement for anyone who comes by. I'm willing to assume good faith if you're sure about it. SL93 (talk) 16:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Asking Nikkimaria to check the article to see if there are any lingering copyvio or close paraphrasing issues before asking for a new reviewer. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have read the Spanish sources. What can I say? The content has been translated, but I see no copy/paste issues. --evrik (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- evrik, did you actually check the Spanish sources as SL93 specified, or find someone to take on that task? There's really no point in calling for a new reviewer unless that's been done given the many issues that caused the article to be pulled in the first place. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can't assess the issue with Spanish sources as I don't speak Spanish. With regards to the English sources, I'm seeing some verifiability issues (eg the claim "In 1942, he accepted a job at the Tropical Forest Experimental Station" does not appear in the source provided). Copying from PD sources should be indicated (eg the description of the timber management plan appears to be taken almost directly from this USGov source. For the sources that are accessible, English, not PD, and support the claims made, the paraphrasing seems adequate - but given the small proportion I can't say whether that is representative. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
I cited the 1942 claim. I did an earwig check on the quoting. Almost every sentence as a reference. I'm okay with the Spanish to English translations. --evrik (talk) 18:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The issue I raised was not that there are not citations listed, but rather than those citations don't always support the claims being made. Another example: the article claims that he was "the only member of Yokahu Lodge to be awarded" the DSA; the citation provided doesn't mention Yokahu Lodge. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 2
Zionism as settler colonialism
- ... that according to one study, settler colonialism has been successful inside Israel, but not in the territories occupied in 1967? Source: "Israeli/Zionist settler colonialism was remarkably successful before 1967, and was largely unsuccessful thereafter... When we think about settler colonialism in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, we need to direct our gaze both towards the West Bank, where it has manifestly failed, and towards Israel proper, where it succeeded." Veracini 2013
Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC).
- @Buidhe: Can we get other hook proposals? Reason: colonization (more recently; settler colonization in the past) is a valid frame to look at Zionism as, probably (?) the correct one, but the lead of the nominated article itself says that
it is still not the dominant framing as of 2022
. Thus, having a hook which states the view as fact is inaccurate to the subject. While the hook does credit itself to "one study", the phrasing at the moment still states the settler colonialism as pure fact and only the perspectives on its success as what the study is claiming. The other question is if the study in question was cherry-picked for the hook fact, as I do note a recent string of anti-Israel hooks. And, like I asked recently with hooks for even Russia, where there is conflict, we should look to neutrality and accuracy (taken in balance to each other). So is there nothing else to say on the topic? Maybe there is a hook to be made about kibbutzim as proto-settlements? I am surprised the article doesn't mention early IDF objectives to destroy and resettle Arab villages, but recognise it is a work in progress. Kingsif (talk) 11:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)- Kingsif: I disagree that it states as fact, since it's clearly attributed to one study. As far as I can tell from the reading I've done, Zionism is undisputed as a form of settler colonialism by scholars of settler colonialism and was highlighted as such by the main pioneer in establishing the field, Patrick Wolfe. The journal Settler Colonial Studies has published a lot of articles about I/P but as far as I know, none that reject the paradigm. Rejection comes from outside this specific field of study; many scholars of the I/P conflict analyze it as a national or territorial conflict (although this is not mutually exclusive with settler colonialism). If you do a Google Scholar search, it's clear that the virtually all results discussing the topic (settler colonialism in Israel/Palestine) are using this analysis, so focusing on rejection would require cherry-picking. Obviously, the article is not complete and could be expanded a lot from the sources available. No one complained when I came up with a long string of hooks that reflected poorly on Germany, Turkey or Slovakia, so I think the same is true of any other country. (t · c) buidhe 18:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Buidhe: As I said, the phrasing attributes the views on success to the study, treating the idea of settler colonialism happening there as a given and just something to be assessed. It would be like saying "that, according to one source, Russia's denazification of Ukraine has been successful, but only in the south and east" - this statement is true (Kremlin as the source), and it sounds like the source is just weighing in on the places of success, with "Russia's denazification of Ukraine" basically in wikivoice. I'm not comparing the two situations, but hope this analogy gets across how the "settler colonialism in Israel" statement does not seem to be coming from the study mentioned. I'm also not saying it's bad or wrong or anything, but that the article doesn't, at the moment, seem to support such certainty. Perhaps a little more expansion would make all well. Kingsif (talk) 20:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Otherwise; new enough, long enough, QPQ done. The ref section looks a little unusual, and again concerned about overall coverage. Sectioning also doesn't seem standard for history/ideology article? I presume the article will improve with expanding. Kingsif (talk) 13:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
OK, article has now been expanded and reorganized. If you don't like the original hook, how about:
- ALT1: ... that according to historian Rashid Khalidi, "Israel has been extremely successful in forcibly establishing itself as a colonial reality in a post-colonial age"?
- ALT2: ... that settler colonialism theorist Patrick Wolfe argues that "it is hardly surprising that a nation [Israel] that has driven so many of its original inhabitants into the sand should express an abiding fear of itself being driven into the sea"?
- ALT3... that the argument that the "Zionist national project has been predicated on the destruction of the Palestinian one" is related to a settler-colonial analysis of the conflict?
(t · c) buidhe 04:43, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the update, I think there are still some article issues, but, you know, better quality than a lot out there. Ideally, hooks shouldn't just be X says "quote", so alt3 is the best from that standpoint, but all of them are a little unwieldy. I acknowledge you're trying to work around my comments of stating as fact, so thanks for that. It is for these issues, though (lack of article quality and a suitable hook), that I would, personally, fail this nom. I don't want you to think that I'm out to stop your noms, though, because I'm not, so I'll offer this up for someone else to review. Sorry about that. Kingsif (talk) 10:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your opinion and pushing me to improve the article. When dealing with an abstract topic, I've found quotes to be a successful way of building hooks. (t · c) buidhe 17:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- From cursory look I have found at least three sources written by academic or printed in academic press that oppose the notion that presnted in the article [8],[9],[10](p46-47) I think important to include them per WP:NPOV . I am willing to send full text version to anyone intersted --Shrike (talk) 12:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- I wouldn't add the first source because it's a news not academic source. Colonialism isn't the same thing as settler colonialism and the second source is about the former rather than the latter, not mentioning settler colonialism at all. The third source is about campus debates on Israel and does not discuss settler colonialism either, only mentioning it in a few quotes from other sources. Of course relevant criticism can be added (in fact it already exists in the article), but in order to avoid cherrypicking, I would only cite sources that are about settler colonialism of which there are many. (t · c) buidhe 16:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- From cursory look I have found at least three sources written by academic or printed in academic press that oppose the notion that presnted in the article [8],[9],[10](p46-47) I think important to include them per WP:NPOV . I am willing to send full text version to anyone intersted --Shrike (talk) 12:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your opinion and pushing me to improve the article. When dealing with an abstract topic, I've found quotes to be a successful way of building hooks. (t · c) buidhe 17:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Buidhe, Kingsif, I am suspending this nomination because of active NPOV challenges (whose merits I do not assess but there is a banner and several largely unresolved talk page discussions) and a merge request which may substantially impact the quality and depth of coverage of this article. When these are resolved in either way, you may resume. (You may request third-party input for the talk discussions so that the NPOV concerns are settled for good). I also ask to start working on it because it's been hanging in the air for quite some time, and we have a backlog here. PS. I will close the talk page RfC and will look into closing other discussions if I think I will be accurate in doing so. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- The tags have been removed per Wikipedia:Template_index/Cleanup#Best_practices_in_heavily_monitored_articles. There is no consensus that there are problems with the article or to institute changes proposed on the talk page. I don't agree that people should be able to block a DYK nomination when they cannot get consensus for their criticism or provide high-quality sources to back up proposed edits. (t · c) buidhe 19:58, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- The "X" icon means that the nomination is to be closed as unsuccessful; suspending requires something else entirely, such as what I've used here. In any event, with the extant tags on the Historiography and Criticism sections, the article cannot be approved in its current state. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset The tags were added back still without any consensus that they belong there. How can some editors who don't like it just block a DYK and keep cleanup tags on an article when they cannot get consensus for any of their changes? (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- If it's worth anything, I think the article is accurate and, while I would like it to be broader, I would not have personally added orange tags. I don't have much time at the moment for Wikipedia, unfortunately, so I can't offer much more input or try to help work on the article. But if someone wanted to review it, as it is, and they approved it, I would not personally have objections to the approval. Kingsif (talk) 22:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 13
Frequency modulation encoding
- ... that early floppy disks used FM encoding that used only half the available storage? Source: Wakeman pg 1
- Comment: I added this with the DYK tool when I uploaded, but it seems it never got posted to the DYK nom page. Trying again...
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 20:27, 13 April 2022 (UTC).
- This seems to be exactly the same topic as that of a much older article, differential Manchester encoding. I have tagged both articles for a proposed merge. As such, I think it is ineligible for DYK. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: FM is a specific implementation of DME in the same fashion that MFM is a different specific implementation of DME. FM referrs to both the encoding of the individual data bits as well as the disk format and the header timing signals. I believe this is well explained in the article. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The lead sentence of the article says that it is about the code 0 → 01, 1 → 10, and mentions its usage in multiple applications. If it is intended to be only about the way floppy disks were formatted using this code, and not about the code itself, I think it needs significant rewriting to make that clear. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: The lead sentence of the article is "Frequency Modulation encoding, or simply FM, is a simple type of run length limited code that saw widespread use in early floppy disk drives and hard disk drives." I see nothing like "it is about the code 0 → 01, 1 → 10" and I think it clearly indicates the field is disk storage. I have added a link to DME in the appropriate location and I assume from the wording of your reply that the merge tag can now be removed? Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- "is a simple type of run length limited code". That describes it as a code. It is the same code as the one described in differential Manchester encoding. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- "That describes it as a code" ... in a specific setting. I have added words to this effect. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- But it's the same code, used for the same basic purpose (maintaining synch). How is it notable for two articles rather than just one? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- As I am now stating for the third time, this article is not about the code, it is about the entire system of which DFE is used for one part. I have made several changes to the text to make this distinction clear and you haven't commented on any of them. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- While we're repeating stuff we've already said, maybe I should repeat that the first sentence of Frequency modulation encoding states that FM encoding "is a type of run length limited code". If you don't want to think the article is about a type of code, maybe you shouldn't say in the first sentence that it is about a type of code? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- As I am now stating for the third time, this article is not about the code, it is about the entire system of which DFE is used for one part. I have made several changes to the text to make this distinction clear and you haven't commented on any of them. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- But it's the same code, used for the same basic purpose (maintaining synch). How is it notable for two articles rather than just one? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- "That describes it as a code" ... in a specific setting. I have added words to this effect. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- "is a simple type of run length limited code". That describes it as a code. It is the same code as the one described in differential Manchester encoding. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: The lead sentence of the article is "Frequency Modulation encoding, or simply FM, is a simple type of run length limited code that saw widespread use in early floppy disk drives and hard disk drives." I see nothing like "it is about the code 0 → 01, 1 → 10" and I think it clearly indicates the field is disk storage. I have added a link to DME in the appropriate location and I assume from the wording of your reply that the merge tag can now be removed? Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The lead sentence of the article says that it is about the code 0 → 01, 1 → 10, and mentions its usage in multiple applications. If it is intended to be only about the way floppy disks were formatted using this code, and not about the code itself, I think it needs significant rewriting to make that clear. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: FM is a specific implementation of DME in the same fashion that MFM is a different specific implementation of DME. FM referrs to both the encoding of the individual data bits as well as the disk format and the header timing signals. I believe this is well explained in the article. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
By all means, suggest alternative phrasing. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:48, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- I did a preliminary NPP review and have similar concerns plus others. I'm posting separately at that page. North8000 (talk) 17:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
== The wording has been changed multiple times to address David's concern and I have changed it yet again in an effort to avoid the issue, hopefully successfully. North8000's concerns have been addressed on the talk page. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 15
Kasymaly Jantöshev
- ... that a 1955 satirical comedy play by Kasymaly Jantöshev was one of the first signs of the relaxation of Soviet literary restrictions after the death of Joseph Stalin? Source: "Stylistic and production restrictions began to be lifted in the mid-1950s, after the death of Stalin. [...] One of the first signs of positive change was the appearance of satirical comedies such as [...] The Lasso for the Shrew (1955) by Jantoshev". [11]
- ALT1: ...
that before he became one of Kyrgyzstan's most prominent writers, Kasymaly Jantöshev taught courses preparing the chairmen of collective farms?Source: "Further Dzhantoshev entered the pedagogical technical school in Frunze, and after graduating in 1930, began his teaching career in the same educational institution, preparing future chairmen of the collective farm." [12] - ALT2: ...
that Kasymaly Jantöshev translated How the Steel Was Tempered into Kyrgyz?Source: "Zhantoshev is also known as a translator. He translated into Kyrgyz Nikolai Ostrovsky's novel "How Steel Was Sharpened," the play "The Silent Girl," and works by a number of children's writers. He also translated works by foreign writers such as Mikhail Lermontov, Hans Christian Andersen, and Lydia Budogorskaya." [13] - ALT3: ...
that Kasymaly Jantöshev translated works by Hans Christian Andersen into Kyrgyz?Source: "Zhantoshev is also known as a translator. He translated into Kyrgyz Nikolai Ostrovsky's novel "How Steel Was Sharpened," the play "The Silent Girl," and works by a number of children's writers. He also translated works by foreign writers such as Mikhail Lermontov, Hans Christian Andersen, and Lydia Budogorskaya." [14]
- ALT1: ...
Created by Curbon7 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC).
- I dunced while nominating, this was created on April 14, not 15. Curbon7 (talk) 10:51, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
On it. — LlywelynII 21:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
@Curbon7: Moved to mainspace just ahead of the submission; long enough (9.8k elig. chars.); no copyvio issues per Earwig; no need for QPQ; not a living person but well sourced overall regardless; all of the category links aren't necessary but very welcome and appreciated; links added or filled from main related pages, also not necessary but very welcome. ALT1, ALT2, ALT3 cut as uninteresting especially given the buried lead that this person seems to have written one of the masterworks of his culture. A translation even Kyrgyz people will ignore in favor of Disney movies pales in comparison.
(1) The organization is a little silly. The biographical sections should all be under a #Life or similar heading and shouldn't go Early Life, Early Career + 2 Book Titles, Late Career + Death; at some point he should have his actual career. (Maybe that's what the 2 book titles are, but then they shouldn't be organized as part of the #Early_career section.) It's also unclear why the 2 titles are grouped together. They should probably be separate sections on their own, especially if they form the entirety of Jantoeshev's main career. (2) The section on Kanybek especially needs minor reworking. Some of it belongs on a separate page for just the book itself or should be worked into Jantoeshev's later life and #Legacy at the appropriate moments. (3) The article generally shouldn't see-saw back and forth in time as much as it does. (4) There's some unclear phrasing to clean up, like "a class war against deemed oppressors", saying a work from the 1960s "is set contemporaneously", &c. (5) Most importantly, you have a major culturally-defining work from within the Soviet Union that sends its protagonist off to Siberia at the hands of "the oppressors" with no discussion whatsoever about what that means. Within the novel, had the fasco-capitalist powers taken over Russia? or was he really portraying Russia as the oppressor against the Kyrgyz people? If the latter, htf did that fly and htf did he have any later career? Similarly, the most important hook and biographical data besides Kanybek is the bit on his work showing a greater openness within Russian society, without explaining what it said, how it was received at the time, and whether it caused trouble later once Brezhnev & co. swung the pendulum back towards greater repression. — LlywelynII 21:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
(6) The (correct) Frunze in the running text needs to clarify that it's now Bishkek at least during its first mention. The infobox on the right should similarly use or include the modern names of the locations. (7) There should be some discussion of how the USSR handled his legacy in later years and what difference (if any) occurred with his memory once Kyrgyzstan gained its independence. Finally, (8) less essential, but for anyone primarily known as an author, it would be best if there were a #Works section with at least the start of a list of his output condensed to a single list with a {{incomplete list}} header if needed. My own habit is to do it using the {{citation}} template and using the |display-authors=0 field to avoid repeating his name 20 times. — LlywelynII 22:00, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping of nominator Curbon7 to address these issues/move the nomination forward. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
National Women's Day (Pakistan)
... that 1983 Lahore women's Protest was held against Law of Evidence, intending to reduce the value of testimony of Pakistani women to half of that of men, was led by Women's Action Forum?Source: Women remember iconic 1983 demo, vow to fight oppression, Dawn (newspaper) February 13, 2019- ALT1: ... that National Women's Day (Pakistan) is observed on February 12 to mark 1983 march held against Law of Evidence, intending to reduce the value of testimony of Pakistani women to half of that of men? Source: Women remember iconic 1983 demo, vow to fight oppression, Dawn (newspaper) February 13, 2019
Created by Bookku (talk) assisted by SusunW. Self-nominated at 15:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC).
- the article has one sentence on the subject of the National Women's Day in Pakistan, before another article starts about an event in 1983... which maybe deserves an article (and it is related) but this article is titled National Women's Day (Pakistan) and it should be about that. There is another article titled Aurat March which is also about (another) National Women's Day in Pakistan but that is not mentioned here. That article has a template about long essays. We do need a focussed article about either of the National Women's Days in Pakistan (or both) so it would be good to develop this to be about that subject. Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Victuallers: Thanks for your comment and inputs.
- Brief response: Encyclopedic coverage is ever ongoing and continuous process. I hope as and when as much as is covered in a new articles with ref let have scope of acceptability for DYKs.
- Detail response:
- All the below response is not to undermine value of your inputs which in any case I will take into account in my further updates of the articles still it is preferable to provide my own perception in detail enough to avoid misunderstanding from my side.
- If you had noticed my own tag on the article Aurat March and my own response to users at talk page I am in process of updating it with academic sources may be even writing again from scratch if needed and that would be almost a yearlong process. Again it is part of over all women's Rights movement and Feminism so I can not progress without updating related articles either. Again (at leadership level) even liberal feminism in Pakistan is not as monolith as it seems from out side there are multiple layers though they do not speak of the differences as openly.
- Though 1983 leadership and 2018 (Aurat March) leadership are in contact and support each other. Still there is a generational gap 1983 ones celebrating National women's day on 12 Feb Where as Aurat March is celebrated on International women's day with help of social media environment is called fourth wave feminism. Though Aurat March got more media attention due to catchy more assertive sloganeering and social media and TV media impact . 1983 leadership is active in their own way may be with lesser media attention but they are also reasonably covered in academia. And I will need to cover them while covering over all Feminism in Pakistan.
- While collating sources for Feminism in Pakistan I realized 12th Feb observances are having so many reliable references and day is being frequently referred in academic sources that I can not proceed ahead without developing a special article for the same.
- Again as you rightly pointed out National women's Day of 12 Feb yearly event needs further coverage in the article (enough sources are available for that) and while writing I had no other way but to cover 1983 event also in detail because that too is referred several times in various academic sources since being part of Pakistan's civic society and it's protest history.
- Thanks and warm regards
- Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's what we/wiki have been doing for twenty years i.e. "expanding information"... in a random But structured way. We have the same goal. However the article in question has one sentence on the subject of the "National Women's Day in Pakistan". That is a significant problem. Maybe the title of the article needs to be changed?... or the article needs to address the title? Readers see there is a wiki article about National women's Day in Pakistan. (They don't know about the two different days you mention), they expect to be told a bit about Pakistan National women's Day(s). Maybe a few words about the history of how it started ... not the whole of the article about the day of its formation by Women's Action Forum. (Seems significant, but the Women's Action Forum article doesnt mention any of this.) I realise that its a huge subject but one title and a(n incomplete) article at a time will cover it eventually. Victuallers (talk) 21:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Still 95% not about National Women's Day (Pakistan). Victuallers (talk) 14:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)- I've looked again and the split has happened and we now have two articles so I have suggested a combined new hook below. Maybe a third party might care to overcheck the new alt? Thanks to @SusunW: who has assisted here. @Bookku: - can you resolve the question about the Sindt government (and maybe cross link with Aurat Day where necessary). Victuallers (talk) 10:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Victuallers: ALT2 suggested by you seems better one. I was getting distracted in real life and have not been able pay kind of attention these two articles deserve, hoping to take out some good time to work on academic sources this week. Mean while I have changed that Sindh Government related statement may be that helps. For Khaibar Pakhtunwa related more info probably I will need to take help of WP Library exchange to find original source of the academic source I have referred. Thanks and warm regards
- Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan is observed on February 12 to mark the repressed 1983 March made against a law that reduced the value of the testimony of Pakistani women to half that of men? Source: Women remember iconic 1983 demo, vow to fight oppression, Dawn (newspaper) February 13, 2019
- Assuming the picker is happy with alt2 which is a combination of earlier hooks then we are good to go. Earwig shows some similarity but its due to noun phrases. Its neutral they are both long enough and they and the hook are reffed. They were new when nominated but the fork of the articles happened during the process above. Thanks Victuallers (talk) 14:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
@Victuallers, Bookku, SusunW, and SL93: further to the discussion here it seems there are more complex issues to discuss with regard to this hook, so I've sent it back here for further discussion. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- I am quite flexible on the writing style of DYK I do not have any issues from my side.
- I wish to suggest and nominate this DYK for Special occasion holding area for 9th July or 31st July, if possible, those days being associated with mother of Pakistan Fatima Jinnah.
- Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 10:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- English is not my native language, any suitable changes in the article title writing style are okay to me, so I sought help @ WT:MOSCAPS, so the users in this discussion can focus on rest of the DYK formation. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 04:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Amakuru and Victuallers: I have received a DYKHousekeepingBot message on my talk page saying " .. Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/National Women's Day (Pakistan) at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; if you would like to continue, please link the nomination to the nominations page as described in step 3 of the nomination procedure. .. ". Idk what does that mean and what I am supposed to do since I can not see 'step 3' on the help page Idk if I missed the same. Requesting your help in needful.
- Meanwhile I have further updated the article 1983 women's march, Lahore with academic refs and will be doing so for 1 or 2 days more. May be couple of more DYK options too can become available. I will come back to this discussion once c/e is done for the updates. Thanks Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 00:46, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Bookku, when Amakuru reopened this nomination page, they forgot to retransclude the template on the DYK Nominations page, which is what caused the "incomplete DYK nomination" message; I have just done the retransclusion, so that should take care of the problem and make this page visible again on the Nominations page. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:53, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset and Amakuru: As far as doubts raised by BlueMoonset here; now I have reasonably updated the article 1983 women's march, Lahore with academic sources (copy edit still to be done, and I will be updating more). While updating I cross checked again and we can reliably say that the controversial law of evidence (Qanoon-e-Shahadat) implemented by General Zia is still on the statute. Women had started their agitation at draft level of the law itself. Saying court can consider single woman's testimony equal at it's discretion means actually it is not equal. In financial matters that discretion too does not exist and again that comes from sacred scripture so can not be challenged without facing blasphemy allegations. You can refer to page Ayesha Khan 107, a literate woman's testimony/ signature gets lesser value than a illiterate man similar even in cases woman is expert in financial matters she has to go around searching for male signature even when they do not have expertise. To defuse domestic and international pressure what the then government seem to have used obfuscate language to deflect attention. But that does not change position for our purpose IMHO. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Longer sentence versions
- ALT3: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan is on February 12 to mark the 1983 march made against a law that negatively affected the testimonies of women?
- ALT4: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan is on February 12 to mark the 1983 march made against a law that devalued the testimony of women?
- ALT5: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan is on February 12 to mark the 1983 march made against a law that devalued the testimony of Pakistani women to half that of men?
- ALT6: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan is on February 12 to mark the 1983 protest march was acknowledged for celebration by Yousaf Raza Gillani's government?
- Shorter sentence versions
- ALT7: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan is on February 12 to mark the 1983 protest march?
- ALT8: ... that the 1983 women's march in Lahore took place to protest against a law that devalued the testimony of women?
- ALT9: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan commemorates women's protests against a law that devalued the testimony of women?
... that the 1983 women's march in Lahore took place to protest against a law that gravely affected women's legal rights?
... that National Women's Day in Pakistan commemorates previous protest against a law that gravely affected women's legal rights?
Please feel free to suggest / make appropriate changes. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 02:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to review the hooks in light of this discussion and also do a quick check of the two articles; 1983 women's march, Lahore, at least, has been updated since the original review. I have unlinked "February 12" in various hooks—it isn't useful—and made sure the 1983 march is bolded since that article is also nominated here; I also corrected various links, and assigned ALT numbers to each hook. I don't think we should have single-article hooks (ALTs 8 and 9) since the ones given are so similar to each other. (I did strike the last two proposed single-article hooks; "gravely affected" is too vague.) Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Victuallers, Bookku, BlueMoonset, and Amakuru: The list of possible hooks above is long and many are similar. I've picked two that I think are the most 'hooky' and tightened the language a little. If no one objects, I would like to propose that the DYK move forward focusing on ALT5a and ALT6a. I would be willing to be the new reviewer: I hope that would be acceptable since I have made only minor rephrasings of the hooks. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT5a: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan commemorates a 1983 march against a law that devalued the testimony of Pakistani women to half that of men?
- ALT6a: ... that National Women's Day in Pakistan was acknowledged for celebration by Yousaf Raza Gillani's government to mark the 1983 protest march ?
- @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: - impressed you are going to help Mary. The COI on the hooks is not an issue IMO - they have changed very little in weeks. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 20
Josh Hudson
- ... that actor Trieve Blackwood-Cambridge extensively researched bulimia in preparation for his Holby City character Josh Hudson's bulimia story? Source: Reference #5 in the article
- ALT1: ... that actors Trieve Blackwood-Cambridge and Dawn Steele isolated for a week to film close proximity scenes between their Holby City characters Josh Hudson and Ange Godard? Source: Trieve and myself both were tested then isolated in a hotel for a whole week to film the last 2 episodes.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Black Christian Siriano gown of Billy Porter
- Comment: Feel free to adjust the hooks or suggest a new one!
Converted from a redirect by Soaper1234 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC).
- for alt0, for alt1. Article was nominated within seven days, significantly exceeds the 1500-character minimum, and is policy compliant. Hook checks out (alt0 is based on an offline source). QPQ was done. No image submitted (only images in article are fair use). No other issues detected. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- shame about Claudia Blaise :( also, Metro is a deprecated source per WP:RSP—I'm quite uncomfortable with how much of the article is sourced to Metro, and don't think this should be promoted just yet. @Soaper1234: can the Metro sources be replaced? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- I believe the consensus was that Metro was to be avoided, and I've taken every available opportunity to replace it where possible. However, the Metro has great soaps coverage and this area of the publication is very well-regarded. I do hope this won't be an issue regarding this DYK promotion. Soaper1234 - talk 23:54, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- shame about Claudia Blaise :( also, Metro is a deprecated source per WP:RSP—I'm quite uncomfortable with how much of the article is sourced to Metro, and don't think this should be promoted just yet. @Soaper1234: can the Metro sources be replaced? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron and Soaper1234: For what it's worth, WP:RSP has this to say about Metro: Articles published in the print newspaper are considered more reliable than articles published only on the metro.co.uk website.
If the coverage was also mentioned in print, maybe they could be used? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:32, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Climate change in Uganda
- ... that the Rwenzori glaciers are being melted by climate change in Uganda? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-56526631
Created by Micheal Kaluba (talk). Self-nominated at 17:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC).
- ALT1: ... that ..... climate change in Uganda......? Source: https://??????
Micheal Kaluba I added a hook but it is not great - if you would like a different hook please fill in ALT1 above Chidgk1 (talk) 07:01, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
ArsenalGhanaPartey I am not reviewing but I can suggest more hooks if needed as I think this is Micheal Kaluba's first submission for DYK - was not sure if you are reviewing as you wrote below comment line - would you like to continue review? Chidgk1 (talk) 07:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- New enough and long enough. First-time nominee, QPQ exempt. The hook is fine (I wouldn't have associated glaciers with Uganda myself). Unfortunately, there is a real need for copyediting. I have requested a copyedit at GOCE and will not approve this page until that is done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:50, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 21
Yi Jeonggyu
... that Yi Jeonggyu was an anarchist who did not recognension butift that occurred iize anarchism and nationalism as opposing concepts? Source: http://contents.nahf.or.kr/item/item.do?levelId=edeah.d_0005_0040_0030_0030#self
Created by Jirangmoon (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral: - The article includes several passages that I feel are not adherent to the NPOV policy.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - Some cleanup is needed to tidy up spelling errors and inappropriate word choices that don't fit the encyclopedic tone.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - Not particularly interesting or notable.
- Other problems: - The hook is also not grammatically correct and should replace the comma with "was".
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: The article needs some work and a new hook. SounderBruce 22:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. I fixed the grammatical error in the hook and in the article (using Grammarly). As for neutrality and the hook, I don't see any problems - aren't those subjective assessments? If you tell me what is non-neutral, I'll take another look. As for interesting or not, I think this hook is interesting. Do we need a third opinion? --Jirangmoon (talk)
- Third opinion: Yeah, I don't think it's a particularly interesting hook either. It's also not particularly notable by itself, given that the crossover between Korean anarchism and nationalism are very well documented. On this issue, Yi Jeonggyu was far from unique. --Grnrchst (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Yi Jeonggyu was an anarchist in the Korean independence movement? Source: Hwang, Dongyoun (2016). Anarchism in Korea. State University of New York Press. p. 12. ISBN 9781438461694. OCLC 959978940.
Undoubtedly, the goal of Korean independence movement was to regain independence from Japanese colonialism, to which Yi had devoted himself with anarchism.
- ALT2: ... that Yi Jeonggyu was a pioneer of the Korean anarchist movement? Source: Hwang, Dongyoun (2016). Anarchism in Korea. State University of New York Press. p. 23, 27–28 (see below). ISBN 9781438461694. OCLC 959978940.
- I've added alts based on items sourced in the lede but they need page numbers for verification. czar 18:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Czar Thank you very much! For Alt1, the page number is 12 : "Undoubtedly, the goal of Korean independence movement was to regain independence from Japanese colonialism, to which Yi had devoted himself with anarchism."
- For Alt2, the page number is 25 : "Yi Jeonggyu (1897–1984), one of the most active Korean anarchists in 1920s China, just like other Korean exiles, began his career as an independence activist and converted later to anarchism." --Jirangmoon (talk) 19:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Jirangmoon! Those sources do not quite confirm the language used in the alts and the article, if you can rephrase both to match their sources? I.e., they do not say he was a "pioneer" or "key", unless there is another section that says so. czar 19:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Czar Thank you. Can you review the following quote which contains the word pioneer? It's from page 11.
Will this be ok for ALT2? --Jirangmoon (talk) 13:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)Echoes to Sim’s description of his complex life as both an anarchist and a nationalist can be found in Yi Jeonggyu’s recall. Yi, a prominent anarchist active in various educational and rural movements before and after 1945, too poses his life as one with such a tension but, in his case, shifting further toward anarchism that offered him a vision of social revolution, rather than simply a nationalism-driven political revolution that aimed merely at national independence. Yi explains the shift that occurred in his life as follows: The first half of my life had gone through a life for struggle for independence movement, and [then in the second half] turned for a movement for social revolution of an ideological idea [sic] that has been viewed in this world, without any good reason, as too extreme. [The second half has been] a life as one of the pioneers, who has been indulged in anarchism, that is, no-government movement.
- @Jirangmoon, it looks like that quotes Yi as saying that he himself is a pioneer. Since that is an exceptional claim, it requires an exceptional, secondary source. We could say "Yi thought of himself as a pioneer" for ALT2. I've updated both ALTs to match the source but the article text will need to be corrected for both as well. czar 13:47, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Czar Thank you. Can you review the following quote which contains the word pioneer? It's from page 11.
- Thanks, @Jirangmoon! Those sources do not quite confirm the language used in the alts and the article, if you can rephrase both to match their sources? I.e., they do not say he was a "pioneer" or "key", unless there is another section that says so. czar 19:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Czar Sorry for a late reply.
- Regarding the ALT2 matter, I am a bit confused in editing things on Wikipedia as a Wiki beginner. I do not remember why I wrote the sentence with the word, “pioneer” for Yi Jeonggyu because I started the article more than 6 months ago. Anyhow, I have tried not to move or copy source sentences to the Wikipedia articles as they are except for quotations. In that process, even though the source articles does not have the word “pioneer” for Yi Jeonggyu, I thought that Yi Jeonggyu could be one of the pioneers of Korean anarchist movement because Yi Jeonggyu influenced Yi Hoeyeong who was called “the pioneer of Korean anarchism” in the source. So if someone was doing something before the “pioneer”, isn’t he even more of a pioneer?
- See the quotations below:
- Page 23: In addition, Shin’s friendship with Yi Hoeyeong (1867–1932), often called “the pioneer of Korean anarchism,” must have been a factor as well for his acceptance of anarchism.
- Page 27-28: It seems that Yi Hoeyeong surely was impressed with Yi Jeonggyu’s project and anarchist ideas with regard to the proposed ideal farming villages in Hunan. Indeed, it is said that Yi Jeonggyu’s role was decisive in converting Yi Hoeyeong, who was persuaded by the former about the goal of anarchism and thus accepted it in later 1923.38 Discussing with many kinds of independence activists and radicals, including Chinese and Taiwanese, Yi Hoeyeong finally chose anarchism for his own answer. The national goal, of course, was the key that drew him to anarchism.
- Page 28: In this sense, to call Yi Hoeyeong “the pioneer of Korean anarchism” is an interesting indication of the coming trajectory and transnational character of Korean anarchism in China in the 1930s and ’40s.
- Also, from a Korean article at http://m.kyeongin.com/view.php?key=20190501010000158: “우당 이회영을 아나키즘 사상가로 인도한 이가 바로 이정규다 “ It was Yi Jeonggyu who led Yi Hoeyeong to become an anarchist.
- --Jirangmoon (talk) 14:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Looks good to me! I've updated ALT2. @SounderBruce, want to take another peek? czar 01:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- --Jirangmoon (talk) 14:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
New review needed czar 21:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 25
John D'Orazio
... that John D'Orazio, the minister for police and emergency services in Western Australia, was forced to resign from cabinet after crashing a car whilst on a suspended driver's licence?Source: ABC News- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Manai Sophiaan
- Comment: Neutrality dispute on article should be resolved soon. I just had to get this nomination in on time.
5x expanded by Steelkamp (talk). Self-nominated at 16:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC).
- This is not a review, but this hook fails DYK criteria 4a: "Articles and hooks that focus unduly on negative aspects of living individuals...should be avoided." ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- I agree, I've struck the hook. @Steelkamp: do you have another suggestion? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Some new hooks: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Western Australian politician John D'Orazio helped secure a three-year trial of daylight saving time in Western Australia? Source: The Age
- ALT2: ... that Western Australian government minister John D'Orazio was forced to resign due to public fallout for crimes he was never charged with?
- Oh sorry, I forgot about this. I like ALT1 the best. I have changed it slightly as he was not a minister at the time, but it sounds better than the one I came up with, which I have put below. Steelkamp (talk) 07:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that former Labor Party turned Independent politician John D'Orazio caused a Liberal Party candidate to win election in Western Australia? Source: PerthNow
- Question Hi Steelkamp, it doesn't look like there has been much progress on the removal of the neutrality tag. Does a solution to this look to be forthcoming? If not, this nomination may need to be rejected. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Jesus Christus, Menschensohn
- ... that "Jesus Christus, Menschensohn", an expansion of the liturgical Kyrie written in the 21st century by Helmut Schlegel, is contained in collections for young people? Source: several
- Reviewed: Edith Prentiss
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC).
- A new hook may be needed here as I don't see how the currently proposed hook (i.e. a liturgy being included in a collection for young people) appeals to anyone but specialists. A hook about the stanzas may be more promising here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda usually has a pretty good reason why she finds a fact interesting, so let's wait for that... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure what you mean about the stanzas. I'd like to be as little theological as possible. I think that this hymn addresses Jesus 3 times, while the normal Kyrie calls "God - Jesus - God" might require rather more knowledge than the present suggestion. - Typically, "old" liturgical things like Kyrie are not for young people, - this one tries to appeal to them. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
The first stanza requests enlightenment to see God face to face. The second stanza recalls that Jesus carried on the Cross what we suffer. The third stanza requests that Jesus, called ("gerufen") from grave and death, may be with us on life's steps ("Stufen").
This part of the article could work as a hook in my opinion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)- This is a lot of theology, - what should a Muslim reader do with this information? It's also not unusual, but rather typical for Kyrie to word three things - spoken or sung - and end each with "Kyrie eleison" or "Christe eleison". I also would not know how to squeeze it fairly - mentioning all three - in a hook. This author (Schlegel) is good in wording religious things in a way appealling to young people - that's the basic message, and not only for specialists, - perhaps you can word that better? Or do you want to make it quirky by saying that he sort of rhymed the Greek "eleison" with the German "Menschensohn" three times? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- If the elesion rhyming thing can be mentioned/referenced in the article, sure. I'm also not sure why the theology thing is being brought up since it was far from my mind when I looked at the article and the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- No reference mentions the rhyme because it's just there (son - sohn). What about a Muslim who may know nothing about Jesus carrying the Cross. The concept of "Menschensohn" is hard enough for Christians, so I was shy there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- If the elesion rhyming thing can be mentioned/referenced in the article, sure. I'm also not sure why the theology thing is being brought up since it was far from my mind when I looked at the article and the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is a lot of theology, - what should a Muslim reader do with this information? It's also not unusual, but rather typical for Kyrie to word three things - spoken or sung - and end each with "Kyrie eleison" or "Christe eleison". I also would not know how to squeeze it fairly - mentioning all three - in a hook. This author (Schlegel) is good in wording religious things in a way appealling to young people - that's the basic message, and not only for specialists, - perhaps you can word that better? Or do you want to make it quirky by saying that he sort of rhymed the Greek "eleison" with the German "Menschensohn" three times? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- In any case, I really don't see how being included in a collection for young people works as a DYK hook. I think something about the content itself could work better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see any specific thing without relying on Christian background. It's unusual to call Jesus three times instead of Lord - Jesus - Lord, but I wouldn't know how to say so in 200 chars. - Need (to make) food. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- In any case, I really don't see how being included in a collection for young people works as a DYK hook. I think something about the content itself could work better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- It seems we're stuck here so I'm asking Epicgenius to see if there's another path forward here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping @Narutolovehinata5. Regarding Gerda's statement that "'old' liturgical things like Kyrie are not for young people", I feel that this fact may not necessarily be intuitive. This especially applies if we're trying to appeal to young people, since they tend to be less involved in religion compared with their elders. Perhaps there is a better way to rephrase the hook to make this fact more evident? – Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, but I'm no sure I can do that, with my limited English. I think the hook should be about this specific song, not general reception trends.
- ALT1: ... that two versions of "Jesus Christus, Menschensohn", an expansion of the liturgical Kyrie written by Helmut Schlegel, are contained in a 2013 choral song book? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, what I meant to say is that readers may not necessarily understand the significance of including this "expansion of the liturgical Kyrie" in a song book. That is probably what NLH5 is objecting to. For example, I had to also click on the Kyrie link to understand the original hook. As for ALT1, I would say that I don't quite understand why including two versions of "Jesus Christus, Menschensohn" in a choral song book is out of the ordinary. Maybe there's something I'm missing and there is a good reason this fact is interesting. In any case, it seems to me like you want to say that "an expansion of the liturgical Kyrie, which is not typically targeted toward young people, is included in a song book for young people". I suggest we try modifying ALT0 again. Alternatively, we can propose another hook that is unrelated to Kyrie. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- If you look at the songbook, there is no other entry in it twice that I see, and it's by two different composers, telling a bit how much it is liked. I believe we need the relation to the Kyrie, because that's what it is used for in the liturgy of the mass, and without mentioning it, we'd have to translate (and probably explain) the German title, which would be longer. I bet that many of our readers will connect to Kyrie (Gloria Sanctus ...) without clicking, and for the others, there's a link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt, what I meant to say is that readers may not necessarily understand the significance of including this "expansion of the liturgical Kyrie" in a song book. That is probably what NLH5 is objecting to. For example, I had to also click on the Kyrie link to understand the original hook. As for ALT1, I would say that I don't quite understand why including two versions of "Jesus Christus, Menschensohn" in a choral song book is out of the ordinary. Maybe there's something I'm missing and there is a good reason this fact is interesting. In any case, it seems to me like you want to say that "an expansion of the liturgical Kyrie, which is not typically targeted toward young people, is included in a song book for young people". I suggest we try modifying ALT0 again. Alternatively, we can propose another hook that is unrelated to Kyrie. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping @Narutolovehinata5. Regarding Gerda's statement that "'old' liturgical things like Kyrie are not for young people", I feel that this fact may not necessarily be intuitive. This especially applies if we're trying to appeal to young people, since they tend to be less involved in religion compared with their elders. Perhaps there is a better way to rephrase the hook to make this fact more evident? – Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- To give this a proper review, the article was new and long enough at the time of the nomination, is free from close paraphrasing, the nominator has done a QPQ, and I am assuming good faith on the German sources. To clarify my point above, Epicgenius is right in that I do not see how a Kyrie being included in a collection, let alone for young people, makes for a broadly interesting hook. Regular readers may not immediately get the point, especially the ones unfamiliar with Kyries. As Epicgenius said, the intended idea is probably workable, it's just not working out with the currently proposed hooks. If this hook fact doesn't work out, we may need to use a different hook fact instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- ... or a different reviewer? ... or a look at ALT1?
- ALT0a: ... that "Jesus Christus, Menschensohn", written in the 21st century by Helmut Schlegel to be used in masses, has been included in several song books for young people[, even in two versions for one of them]?
- I wish it had a year, to be shorter. Better wording welcome, - it's really hard for me and takes time to phrase things to your liking. We could picture Schlegel, which would show sacred context at a glance, but that image was already on the Main page, and I'd find it unfair to repeat while so many images need to be rejected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 doesn't solve the original issues and is arguably even worse than ALT0: at least there's promise in the idea that a music genre that doesn't normally appeal to young people is being made to appeal to young people. ALT1 simply says that this work was included in a compilation, which isn't really a hook. It's a statement of fact, which works in an article body but doesn't really work for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- (you probably know that "eleison" means "have mercy".) All songs of NGL are meant to make old content acceptable - or better expressed - to young people, - that's nothing specific for this hymn. I actually have another DYK in that direction, let's not bore readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
All songs of NGL are meant to make old content acceptable - or better expressed - to young people, - that's nothing specific for this hymn
Yes, but would the average reader know that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)- We had several on DYK, successfully, so the interested reader may know, and the others may not even care. I like to say something specific about a subject, quite generally so, as you know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- (you probably know that "eleison" means "have mercy".) All songs of NGL are meant to make old content acceptable - or better expressed - to young people, - that's nothing specific for this hymn. I actually have another DYK in that direction, let's not bore readers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 doesn't solve the original issues and is arguably even worse than ALT0: at least there's promise in the idea that a music genre that doesn't normally appeal to young people is being made to appeal to young people. ALT1 simply says that this work was included in a compilation, which isn't really a hook. It's a statement of fact, which works in an article body but doesn't really work for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:06, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 27
List of United States Military Academy First Captains
... that Holland Pratt (pictured) is the First Captain of the Corps of Cadets at West Point, a position formerly held by John J. Pershing and Douglas MacArthur?Source: [15][16]
Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC).
- ALT1
... that West Point's Corps of Cadets First Captain Holland Pratt (pictured) is a Rhodes Scholar who will pursue two master of science degrees at the University of Oxford?- Suggesting ALT 1. — Maile (talk) 21:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC) Source: Allen, Jim (November 23, 2021). "West Point cadet from Washington state named Rhodes Scholar". Stars and Stripes.
- Hawkeye7, Maile66, any updates? Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Szmenderowiecki: From my end, this is ready for DYK. My input was to add sourcing and some wording in the Comments column, in order to help the reader understand that those who held this position were on a path to substantive careers. Whether or not Hawkeye7 fills in the handful of blank spots in the Comments section, is really only relevant if this progresses to Feature List candidacy. — Maile (talk) 19:11, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Szmenderowiecki: I'll get around to adding some more to the comments, but I think that is only relevant to its FLC, and not DYK. It should be fine for DYK. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- So I understand that everyone will be all right if I promote this right now (personally I don't see much problems with this nomination at this point)? If so, which of the two hooks you prefer? Put a tick next to the one you prefer. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 20:31, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am one of the nominators and cannot be the reviewer. The only reviewer has been @Szmenderowiecki: Someone else needs to Tick ALT1. And then a different person needs to promote it. — Maile (talk) 23:23, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Now I'm confused. Just under the nomination, it says that the article was created by Hawkeye and self-nominated. The history does indeed say that Maile66 created the majority of the article, but this also means that they must be explicitly mentioned as a co-nom. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 23:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Full review needed, since no DYK review has been made that I can see. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:07, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Although Earwig's detects a match with [18], it's only because of the "[year] [name]" listings and thus it's not really a copyvio. QPQ has been done. The hooks are technically accurate (I do not have a particular preference at this time), but it may be worth specifying the year since the hooks will become outdated next year. Alternatively, another possible option could be a more generalist hook that omits mentioning Pratt but mentions Pershing and MacArthur could be proposed, though this does have the disadvantage of having to drop the image for that hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions)
- ALT2
... that Holland Pratt (pictured) was the 2021–22 First Captain of the Corps of Cadets at West Point, a position formerly held by John J. Pershing and Douglas MacArthur? - ALT3
... that the 2021–22 West Point's Corps of Cadets First Captain Holland Pratt (pictured) is a Rhodes Scholar who will pursue two master of science degrees at the University of Oxford?
- ALT2
- @Narutolovehinata5 and Hawkeye7: The image is of such good quality, it would be a shame to eliminate it. Struck first two hooks, offering Alts 2-3 above. — Maile (talk) 13:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2's wording is a bit weird. The wording could sort of be interpreted to mean that Pershing or MacArthur was a First Captain in 2021-22 (which obviously isn't the case). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, is there an issue with ALT3? With the article itself? I'm trying to figure out what's keeping this nomination from an approval at this point. Originally, ALT1, which is ALT3 without the dates, seemed to be the preferred hook by the article's authors. I've struck ALT2 because I agree it didn't transition well with the date added. (I've changed the hyphen to an en dash in the date range per MOS.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- There wasn't anything wrong with the article myself. It's just that when an article has multiple hooks proposed and all are suitable, I just want to make sure all of them are ready at the same time so that the promoter can have a choice. In any case, as ALT2 is now struck and the problem-free ALT3 is the only option remaining, I'm approving the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, is there an issue with ALT3? With the article itself? I'm trying to figure out what's keeping this nomination from an approval at this point. Originally, ALT1, which is ALT3 without the dates, seemed to be the preferred hook by the article's authors. I've struck ALT2 because I agree it didn't transition well with the date added. (I've changed the hyphen to an en dash in the date range per MOS.) BlueMoonset (talk) 03:03, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2's wording is a bit weird. The wording could sort of be interpreted to mean that Pershing or MacArthur was a First Captain in 2021-22 (which obviously isn't the case). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:32, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5 and Hawkeye7: The image is of such good quality, it would be a shame to eliminate it. Struck first two hooks, offering Alts 2-3 above. — Maile (talk) 13:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
@Hawkeye7, Maile66, and Narutolovehinata5: Per the discussion at WT:DYK, I have removed this from the queue for now and reopened the nom page here. My original issue was that the hook might not meet criterion 3a, "interesting to a broad audience", especially as it was unclear if Holland herself was a notable individual. Now she has an article, and the discussion also touched on possibly expanding this into a double hook. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 10:07, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- There still seem to be some concerns if Pratt is notable enough to have her own article in the first place. If that's the case I would suggest doing an AFD to test consensus, then if the article is kept this nomination can proceed as a double nom. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- IMO, doing an AFD at this point, is counter productive, and seems to me like one more effort to derail this DYK nomination. People who contribute at AFD, and I am often one of them, may or may not know what they are looking at. There are no requirements to participating at AFD, and certainly no knowledge of DYK required to be a drive-by commentator at AFD. Brand new editors who have very little knowledge of any Wikipedia policies carry as much weight as editors who have taken articles to Feature List and Featured Content. It's also a place where nominations stagnate for long periods without anyone participating. And it is not a sideline requirement for nominating a DYK. — Maile (talk) 10:45, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that Holland Pratt (pictured), the 2021–22 First Captain of the Corps of Cadets at West Point, is a Rhodes Scholar who will pursue two master of science degrees at Oxford?
Need a review of the new double hook. I have supplied a second QPQ. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- FYI I've created an AfD for Holland Pratt at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holland Pratt. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:49, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- As the Holland Pratt article is at AfD, this nomination is perforce on hold until the discussion there closes. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:46, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7, Szmenderowiecki, Narutolovehinata5, BlueMoonset, and Amakuru: moving along. I like Holland Pratt, but how about a new hook, good image and appropriate for a lead hook, if reviewers see it that way. We'd have to mention this in this nomination article's lead, but that would work.
- ALT5 ... that the first Asian cadet at West Point to be named First Captain of the cadets was John Tien (pictured), currently serving as United States Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security?
- John Tien's image is in the above linked article - we'd have to insert it in this article, it's freely licensed as a government photo, and would look good on the main page. Thoughts, anyone? — Maile (talk) 00:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I guess that could work if the Pratt angle doesn't work out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 30
Khirbet el-'Ormeh
... that Khirbet el-'Ormeh, an archaeological site in the West Bank, is identified with Biblical Arumah, a place mentioned in the Book of Judges as where Abimelech, king of Shechem and son of biblical judge Gideon resided?Source: Ross, James F. (1963). "BIBLE AND ARCHAEOLOGY". Journal of the American Academy of Religion. XXXI (2): 244. doi:10.1093/jaarel/XXXI.2.242. ISSN 0002-7189. Archived from the original on 2022-04-28. Retrieved 2022-04-28. "On the maps Arumah is apparently located at Khirbet el-'Ormeh, some ten kilometers southeast of Nablus"; Daniel I. Block (13 October 2009). Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 & 2 Samuel. Zondervan. p. 173. ISBN 978-0-310-25574-1.
Created by Tombah (talk). Self-nominated at 16:14, 30 April 2022 (UTC).
- @Tombah: New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ exempt. The hook is decently interesting given the topic, but it must be shortened (it is 219 characters). Five paragraphs are missing citations—at DYK, every paragraph must end in an inline citation. The hook sources and fact do check out, so an alternative formulation of the fact above would be acceptable. The citations must be fixed and a new hook must be proposed. Ping me when this is done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Sammi Brie:. Great thanks! I've just added the missing citations, and here's a shorter hook: let me know if another shortening is needed :) Tombah (talk) 09:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Khirbet el-'Ormeh is identified with biblical Arumah, mentioned in Judges as where Abimelech, king of Shechem and son of judge Gideon, resided?
- (Refactored the comment with hook as well) ALT1 is long enough, and the rest of my review stands. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have pulled and reverted the close on this nomination, per ongoing discussion at WT:DYK — Maile (talk) 13:42, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Superseding previous tick, since there are issues enough to pull the nomination from prep. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:12, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
William George Carlile Kent
- ... that William George Carlile Kent (pictured), commander of HMS Porpoise, was arrested for failing to comply with deposed New South Wales Governor William Bligh's order to destroy Sydney? Source: https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/kent-william-george-carlile-2301
Created by Knightmare 3112 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: The article is lacking inline citations with the entirety of the "Later life" section uncited. I am not sure the hook reflects what is said in the source. The source says Bligh later said at trial that Kent 'should have blown down the town of Sydney about the ears of the Inhabitants' and that Kent was tried for "various actions contrary to or without Bligh's orders". To say that he was arrested for failing to blow up Sydney seems like a big jump from this. QPQ not done but I am not sure if this editor is under the 5 DYK credits to get away with this. The article is also in need of a good copy edit including tidying commas and tenses although this is not part of the DYK criteria. Vladimir.copic (talk) 04:34, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic added inline citations to the uncited sections. What you recommend would be a better hook? Knightmare 3112 (talk) 00:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- There still seems to be big uncited sections in the text including an entire paragraph at the beginning of the "New South Wales" section. In terms of the hook, I just think that Kent was arrested, for failing to follow Bligh's order to "blow down the town of Sydney about the ears of the inhabitants" is not a true statement or at least is not reflected in the source. I suppose a more accurate hook would be something like:
- ALT1 ... that New South Wales Governor William Bligh condemned William George Carlile Kent (pictured) for failing to destroy Sydney?
- I might let another reviewer take a run at this as at the moment I don't think my concerns with the article have been alleviated. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic all paragraphs have citations, as long as you've no more concerns can this be approved with ALT1
New reviewer requested for ALT1. Vladimir.copic (talk) 01:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 2
Selig, wem Christus auf dem Weg begegnet
- ... that when Bernardin Schellenberger wrote the 1978 hymn "Selig, wem Christus auf dem Weg begegnet", he was prior at Mariawald Abbey, a Trappist monastery? Source: several
- Reviewed: Angeli Foods · Our Lady of the Annunciation Church, King's Lynn
- Comment: We may have a double nom if I manage an article about the writer.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC). I created the author's article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Both articles are long enough, new enough, neutral and without copyvio. Hook passes as well, and QPQ is done. Both are cited entirely to German-language sources, though, and Schellenberger's article is a WP:BLP. Requesting other opinions. YttriumShrew (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @YttriumShrew: Not sure why this is paused. Nothing wrong with German sources and no BLP issues I can see. I had to search around for the hooks ref which I think is this. Move it on, I don't think you will find a much better hook. Although I would have just emphasised that he was a prior of an enclosed monastery and left other stuff for the reader to find. Victuallers (talk) 11:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- .Alt1.. that Bernardin Schellenberger would later leave the cloistered monastery where he wrote the hymn "Selig, wem Christus auf dem Weg begegnet"?
- @YttriumShrew: Not sure why this is paused. Nothing wrong with German sources and no BLP issues I can see. I had to search around for the hooks ref which I think is this. Move it on, I don't think you will find a much better hook. Although I would have just emphasised that he was a prior of an enclosed monastery and left other stuff for the reader to find. Victuallers (talk) 11:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 3
Serenidus of Saulges, Oratory of Saint Cénéré, Saint Serenicus
- ... that Serenidus, the brother of Serenicus, is called the "the little pissing saint" because of a spring that issues from below a statue of him in the Oratory of Saint Cénéré? Source: https://mel-arts.skyrock.com/3191454855-Oratoire-de-Saint-Cenere.html
Created by Evrik (talk) and Rei Momo (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 20:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC).
On it.
Wow, that was the easiest review ever. @Evrik: you forgot to source the one thing you find most interesting about the article. Since it's also the most scurrilous part, it would need the cite even if you come up with other ALTs. — LlywelynII 12:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @LlywelynII: The source was accidentally removed. I have added it back. --evrik (talk) 19:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Full review needed of all three nominated articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 5
Mark Lettieri
- ... that Mark Lettieri is a member of Snarky Puppy? Source: "Mark Lettieri is a (...) member of projects including Snarky Puppy" Link1, "Mark Lettieri joined the instrumental jazz band Snarky Puppy over a decade ago" Link 2
- ALT1: ... that Mark Lettieri is a Snarky Puppy guitarist?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Frankie Saluto
- Comment: I created the article on May 5, unaware of a 'declined Draft version'. The edit history of the article was then merged-in with the edit history of the 'declined Draft version' on May 7.
Created by Bammesk (talk). Nominated by Bammesk (talk) at 01:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: I'm accepting of the explanation regarding the newness of the article. I think the sourcing could probably be improved as things like the podcasts are not especially reliable. The article also needs a good copy edit. The biggest issue however is that the hook is not remotely interesting. Vladimir.copic (talk) 01:57, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Vladimir.copic: About the hook, I agree. I struggled with the hook. I am open to your suggestions or alternative hook proposals. How about something that says he graduated with a degree in marketing but then decided to become a pro musician (an unrelated field)? About the use of podcasts and better sources: He doesn't have many print sources, and in the ones he does have the coverage isn't diverse. He is primarily notable for his solo Grammy nomination and the Billboard charting of his solo albums, and not so much for coverage in multiple sources. I took what I could from print sources, and then used the podcasts to fill in the gaps and some of the details. The two podcasts are direct interviews with him, and the info taken from (i.e. sourced to) the two podcasts are non-controversial facts about his life, not promotional tidbits. I can include the exact timestamp(s) of each podcast citation (minute:seconds) in the citation templates. That will help any reader (and you) to verify the sourced content. Would that work? (On a sidenote: ref. 8 is Part 2, a continuation of ref. 4) About the article needing a good copy edit: please elaborate?, and/or feel free to copy edit as you see fit. Thanks for the feedback. Bammesk (talk) 02:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here is an alternate hook, feel free to modify it and/or propose other hooks, I am open to any hook. Bammesk (talk) 03:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Mark Lettieri graduated with a degree in marketing and then decided to pursue music professionally? Sources: "He (...) attend Texas Christian University, where he studied advertising and public relations. After graduating, he began taking part in the gospel and R&B scene of the Dallas-Fort Worth area." Source Link 1 "At Texas Christian University, he chose not to be a music major, but rather to head into the family business of public relations and advertising. 'The music thing (…) was a hobby that I was really passionate about, but the idea of doing it as a career wasn't my focus.' After college, PR and advertising jobs were scarce, so Lettieri joined up with a locally based touring country band." Source Link 2
- ALT3 ... that jazz fusion and funk musician Mark Lettieri graduated with a degree in marketing?
- Would this work as a possible ALT? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- I added the podcast timestamps. I am Ok with any ALT. Also, I introduced the ALT4 below. Bammesk (talk) 02:06, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that guitarist Mark Lettieri is a member of three different bands? Sources: "Mark Lettieri is a (…) member of projects including Snarky Puppy and (…) the Fearless Flyers" Source Link 1, "and fronting his own trio" Source Link 2
- What about this one:
- ALT5 ... that Mark Lettieri has collaborated with both David Crosby and Dave Chapelle? Source: Roberts, Samuel (22 May 2019). "Snarky Puppy's Mark Lettieri is making instrumental guitar cool again". Guitar.com. Retrieved 27 May 2022.
- It's a bit more fun and doesn't give you what you expect. Vladimir.copic (talk) 04:30, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic, I think ALT5 is great. I am fine with it. I had a hard time coming up with anything interesting. Thanks. Bammesk (talk) 04:33, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to check ALT5, and whether the article still needs a copyedit. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm kinda mixed on ALT5. I think it's a good hook if you're familiar with the names or are well-versed in music, but it's less meaningful to those unfamiliar with either Crosby and Chapelle. I would have gone with either ALT2 or ALT3 instead, but as I proposed ALT3 and added new hook content I'm not allowed to approve ALT3 anyway. As for the article itself, it's mostly fine, but the "Equipment" section reads weirdly. It has words such as "Guitars:" (in italics), and I don't think such wording is appropriate for an encyclopedia. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I rewrote the "Equipment" section [19]. I think ALT3, ALT4 and ALT5 are all viable options (maybe even ALT2, although I prefer ALT3 over ALT2). In general I am open to the wording of hooks, because it's hard to weigh the interest of main-page readers, they are a diverse group. Bammesk (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: how about an ALT6 similar to ALT5 but with the word "musician" added in front of "David Crosby" and the word "comedian" added in front of "Dave Chapelle", would that work? How about deleting the word "both" as well? Bammesk (talk) 01:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as someone who isn't that in the know regarding comedians and only heard of Chapelle recently (mainly because the internet was talking about him), I think your proposed ALT6 is better, albeit it still doesn't really solve the "who are these people?" issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: how about ALT4? Bammesk (talk) 02:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think it's a decent hook, but I'm hesitant to approve it because I already proposed a hook above and ideally I'd want a third party to choose between my hook or ALT4. I do suggest dropping ALT5/ALT6 however. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:19, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: how about ALT4? Bammesk (talk) 02:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as someone who isn't that in the know regarding comedians and only heard of Chapelle recently (mainly because the internet was talking about him), I think your proposed ALT6 is better, albeit it still doesn't really solve the "who are these people?" issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to check ALT3 and ALT4. (For sourcing of ALT3 see the small print right above ALT3, or see the article itself.) Per comments above, all other hooks are withdrawn at this time. Many thanks to all participants. Bammesk (talk) 01:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Ernest Muir (doctor)
- ... that the Scottish medical missionary Ernest Muir championed the use of the traditional Indian cure chaulmoogra oil in treating Hansen's disease (leprosy)? Source: Macpherson, Hamish (11 January 2021), "Dr Isabel Kerr", The National, High Wycombe: Newsquest Media Group. "A fellow Scot, Dr Ernest Muir, was researching the use of the oil of the chaulmoogra tree to treat leprosy... [Kerr's] writings on the treatment impressed Muir and Rogers and soon chaulmoogra oil was a standard treatment for leprosy across India and beyond."
- ALT1:
... that the Scottish missionary leprologist Ernest Muir worked in the Ottoman Empire, British India, and Trinidad and served as secretary of the British Empire Leprosy Relief Association, now LEPRA?Source: Browne, Stanley George (1974), "Ernest Muir, C.M.G., C.I.E., M.D. (Edin.), F.R.C.S., LL.D. 1880–1974" (PDF), International Journal of Leprosy, Bauru: International Leprosy Association, vol. 42, no. 4, pp. 457–458. "Dr Ernest Muir", History of Leprosy: Database, Tokyo: Sasakawa Memorial Health Foundation, 2022. - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Omnia sunt communia
- Comment: Kindly don't add extraneous links to the hooks.
- ALT1:
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 18:33, 11 May 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: As I usually do, I have made a minor copyedit to the article. I have also removed the links in the article to various years - see WP:YEARLINK. This is a dry article about a dry subject. I prefer the first of the hooks, because it is less dry than the second one. However, it's not clear to me whether chaulmoogra oil really is a "traditional Indian cure" as claimed in the first hook. Neither the article nor the quoted passage in the hook reference actually says so. Additionally, and notwithstanding the apparent views of the nominator, I think the first hook should also be linked to chaulmoogra oil and leprosy. Bahnfrend (talk) 14:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Bahnfrend: Thank you for your work! but it's unclear if you're holding up the nomination over the desire to include links in the hooks (no don't & that has nothing to do with DYK nomination approval) or you didn't click the link in the article to chaulmoogra oil (do and cf. WP:BLUE regarding considering herbal cures traditional) or for something else from the comment you left. All copy edits undone, since the grammar 'correction' was mistaken and WP:YEARLINK allows that readers might need to know more about the context of events.
Edit: Judging the real problem from the template to be a citation issue, added "...the traditional Ayurvedic treatment[4]..." to the running text and a link to Parascandola's article, the relevant part of which runs "Whatever we think of this mythical explanation of the origin of the drug, it appears clear that Chaulmoogra oil has a long history in Asia. The oil was long used in traditional Ayurvedic medicine in India for the treatment of leprosy and various skin conditions. It seems to also have been used for the treatment of leprosy in other Asian countries such as China and Burma.6". Ayurvedic is the article and name for traditional Indian medicine so hopefully that can be left as is. In the alternative if it isn't,- ALT2: ... that the Scottish medical missionary Ernest Muir championed the use of the traditional Ayurvedic cure chaulmoogra oil in treating Hansen's disease (leprosy)? Cite in the paragraph above.
- although that's obviously less clear. Again, no needless links to nonpromoted articles. The point is to increase exposure to the articles worked on, not completely unrelated ones. Interested readers can click through. Thanks again for your time on such a dry article on such a dry topic, all the same! — LlywelynII 21:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- [edit] As my edits have been inappropriately reverted, I am not willing to approve this nomination. Bahnfrend (talk) 01:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Bahnfrend: (a) That's certainly your prerogative but (b) while your attention is appreciated the edits were indeed wrong (or unnecessary) as noted and (c) this is the icon to use to request a new reviewer, when there actually isn't a reason to declare an article ineligible. In the future, if you don't like an article's topic, you can always look at any of the hundred or so other ones and try to be clearer in your comments and own reasoning as to what's actually necessary under the rules versus things you'd personally like to see. Thanks again for your time, all the same! — LlywelynII 23:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- [edit] As my edits have been inappropriately reverted, I am not willing to approve this nomination. Bahnfrend (talk) 01:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Other reviewers: I know long notes are offputting, but Bahnfrend has already shown the article is within policy aside from wanting more direct sourcing for the specific wording, which has been provided. The argument above is only over unhappiness on unrelated topics. — LlywelynII 23:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Huh? Saying that a disagreement over the hook - whether to link articles that people aren't likely to understand on their own - is expressing "unhappiness on unrelated topics" or "has nothing to do with DYK nomination approval" is strange. I would review this, but since I think that the article has basic readability problems and that the hook should link to these terms, I expect I'd be treated with this weird aggressive behavior (compare). Urve (talk) 20:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Urve: You're entitled to your opinion but, no, links in hooks have nothing whatsoever to do with their eligibility. That said, if there really are readability issues or even some particular passages you could point to that should be rewritten for better clarity, I'm all ears. The whole point of this is to drive attention to new articles and improve them. — LlywelynII 17:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Huh? Saying that a disagreement over the hook - whether to link articles that people aren't likely to understand on their own - is expressing "unhappiness on unrelated topics" or "has nothing to do with DYK nomination approval" is strange. I would review this, but since I think that the article has basic readability problems and that the hook should link to these terms, I expect I'd be treated with this weird aggressive behavior (compare). Urve (talk) 20:07, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
@LlywelynII: There's been no movement here for three weeks. Question: do you want to continue this DYK or close it? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:45, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Omnia sunt communia
- ... that the biblically derived slogan omnia sunt communia was a central inspiration for Christian communism?
- ALT1: ... that the principle omnia sunt communia, derived from the Bible, developed into a legal justification for eminent domain?
- ALT2: ... that according to Thomas Müntzer, the Gospel could be defined as "all things are to be held in common"?
- ALT3: ... that based on the biblical principle omnia sunt communia, Thomas Aquinas argued that theft is not a sin if the thief genuinely needs what they are stealing?
- Reviewed: Craig Braun
Created by Ezlev (talk). Self-nominated at 02:19, 5 May 2022 (UTC).
- On it. @Ezlev: I can tell you right now that ALT0 needs to be reworded if you prefer it to the others. It's a Christinian communist slogan/maxim/what have you and it's accurate enough to say it's a Biblical principle but it isn't a slogan within the Bible. It's just a Latin translation of something someone said in the Bible that is used a slogan outside it. (I do know what you mean, but something like "biblically derived" would be clearer and better here.) Biblical should be lowercase in ALT0 and ALT3. The article should also include the original Greek form of the expression (I know where to go for that and can add it for you) and the specific Latin translation where this exact expression appears. We'd definitely need to see if it's the version in Jerome's Vulgate (I assume it is but that should be sourced) and it'd be nice if you could look to see if it appears in any Latin translations before Jerome, if any of those survive. — LlywelynII 00:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- LlywelynII, thank you so much for the feedback! Always nice to have experienced eyes on articles in which I've gone out of my typical topic areas. Hook tweaks made as suggested. It'd be lovely if you could add the Greek and the translation details you're talking about, or at least point me in the right direction – I'm not super familiar with the New Testament. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 01:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ezlev Well, this sucks for you. I've added the Greek and Vulgate text, but Omnia sunt communia isn't the form that either uses. (1) You'll need to spend a little time seeing where the exact construction came from, whether it was B. Papiensis or someone even earlier who paraphrased the Bible that way. (2) That first use should be added to the new #Origin section. (3) If this began as a legal doctrine, that should come after the #Origin section and the #Historical use section should come 3rd. It might even be treated as a #Legacy section instead if it just represents different cults using the legal doctrine to justify their own beliefs instead of being separately developed uses of the Biblical text. (4) This isn't 100% necessary just to process the nomination but, if this is a slogan central to Christian communism as opposed to being primarily a legal doctrine responsible for eminent domain and expropriation, you should be able to find at least 2 other examples of groups trying to emulate the apostolic fellowship and early church under its aegis. — LlywelynII 03:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- That does suck, LlywelynII, because I don't think I can do all you've asked. What's in the article now, after the edit I just made, is all I've been able to find and interpret. There are more sources out there but they're deep enough in subject areas I have basically no knowledge of that I can't understand them with enough confidence to cite or describe them in the article. Of your points, 1 is not done (although Papiensis remains the oldest use of the exact translation I can find), 2 is therefore not done, 3 is done (sections are now "Origin", "Legal doctrine", "Other historical use" in that order), 4 is not done. I still think the article meets DYK standards, so where do we go from here? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 20:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- LlywelynII, any thoughts, or should we tag this for a new reviewer? ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 00:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ezlev Well, this sucks for you. I've added the Greek and Vulgate text, but Omnia sunt communia isn't the form that either uses. (1) You'll need to spend a little time seeing where the exact construction came from, whether it was B. Papiensis or someone even earlier who paraphrased the Bible that way. (2) That first use should be added to the new #Origin section. (3) If this began as a legal doctrine, that should come after the #Origin section and the #Historical use section should come 3rd. It might even be treated as a #Legacy section instead if it just represents different cults using the legal doctrine to justify their own beliefs instead of being separately developed uses of the Biblical text. (4) This isn't 100% necessary just to process the nomination but, if this is a slogan central to Christian communism as opposed to being primarily a legal doctrine responsible for eminent domain and expropriation, you should be able to find at least 2 other examples of groups trying to emulate the apostolic fellowship and early church under its aegis. — LlywelynII 03:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- LlywelynII, thank you so much for the feedback! Always nice to have experienced eyes on articles in which I've gone out of my typical topic areas. Hook tweaks made as suggested. It'd be lovely if you could add the Greek and the translation details you're talking about, or at least point me in the right direction – I'm not super familiar with the New Testament. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 01:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 6
Yosef Shenberger
- ... that Yosef Shenberger was inspired to add stained glass and other decorative elements to his synagogues through his study of ancient ruins? Source: He suggested the allowance of artistic works in the synagogue, such as stained glass, citing the example of the frescoes at Dura-Europos and other examples from previous centuries, mosaics, carvings, et al that were acceptable.
- ALT1: ... that where Yosef Shenberger's plans called for an earthen ramp, a bridge was built instead? Source: In response to this, Shenberger the architect notified the Safed Municipality that with all due respect to the freedom granted and intiative taken by one of its employees, who is not an authority in design or architecture - that he is taking no responsibility for the building of the bridge which was done in contrast to his decisions and in total contempt of them.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/'Til Kingdom Come (film)
- Comment: I apologise that the vast majority of the sources that I found for this article were in Hebrew only.
Created by Havradim (talk). Self-nominated at 22:52, 8 May 2022 (UTC).
- Apologies for unlearned contribution (I've very little DYK experience) the first option doesn't work, as synagogues don't belong to architects ("his") and more fundamentally the proposed hook suggests that until he came along synagogues didn't have stained glass windows, when the idea has been around for centuries. The alt hook doesn't seem very interesting to me - a bridge instead of a ramp? Meh. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 14:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- If his contribution to the Hurva Synagogue could be sourced (currently just an uncited photo caption), that would be interesting. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 14:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for this comment Dweller. All I found regarding the Hurva so far is this quote:
Today, a 16-meter-high stone arch erected by two architects in 1978 spans the space where the Hurva once stood, serving, together with the in situ remains and explanatory plaques, as a stark reminder of what was destroyed.
[20] The "two architects" likely being a reference to the partners Shenberger and Katz (the former died in 1982 and the latter in 2016). While it is clear this reference cannot be used as a source, my research tools are currently limited, although I might be able to improve them soon. In regards to ALT0, the language I chose was due to brevity. Also, the article makes clear that while stained glass might not be a new idea, Shenberger encountered some opposition to the idea of including decorative elements in synagogues, due to some conservative leaders (rabbis?) believing they were a distraction to prayer. Please review the revised hook below; and because you said you are relatively unfamiliar with DYK, I am providing a link to the DYK reviewing guide for your convenience. - ALT0a ... that architect Yosef Shenberger overcame opposition to adding stained glass and other decorative elements to synagogues through his study of ancient ruins? Havradim leaf a message 00:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for this comment Dweller. All I found regarding the Hurva so far is this quote:
Willem Thomas de Vogel
- ... that Willem Thomas de Vogel put his money where his mouth was and bought land for Dutch Semarang to improve living conditions for its poor, only to see the city use the area for luxury villas instead?
- Source:
- Snijders, Emilius Paulus (10 March 1953), "Hoofdartikelen: Dr. W. Th. de Vogel 90 Jaar Terugblik op een Rijk Leven", Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde, vol. 97, no. 12, pp. 715. "heuvelland te zoeken, waar de gezondheidstoestand veel beter bleek te zijn. Hoe logisch en vanzelfsprekend het nu lijkt, DE VOGEL heeft jarenlang met taaie volharding moeten strijden om deze eenvoudige inzichten tot gemeengoed te maken. Gesteund un voorgelicht door zijn vriend SOENARIO, later door TILLEMA en WESTERVELD, zette hij door, en risqueerde zelfs geheel belangeloos eigen kapitaal, door ten behoeve der gemeent, die nog weifelde, de vookeursrechten op de onbebouwde grond in deze heuvels van de bevolking te kopen, ten einde grondspeculatie te voorkomen. Hij legde de toegang tot Nieuw Tjandi open; de "de Vogelweg" symboliseert dit op zinvolle wijze."
- Van Roosmalen, Pauline Katherina Maria (2017), "Modern Indisch Town Planning", The Life and Work of Thomas Karsten, Amsterdam: Architectura & Natura Press, pp. 270–274. "Together with his Semarang council colleague, the medical practitioner Willem Thomas de Vogel (1863-1955), Tillema had appealed to the municipality to develop the hills south of the city for the indigenous inhabitants of Semarang... The plan never passed its preliminary stage. Although the Semarang municipality had already purchased the land, it did not perceive the hills as a suitable residential location. De Bazel's plan and, consequently, Tillema and De Vogel's ambition to develop the area, thus remained in limbo... Karsten revised the plan in 1919, in collaboration with Semarang's new Director of Municipal Housing Service, Johannes Jacobus Gerardus Everwijn Riickert. The outcome was a plan reminiscent of contemporary European town plans... Karsten's final plan incorporated the hill site south of Semarang. While earlier allocated for a new kampong, it was now allotted to an upscale and exclusive residential area."
- Source:
ALT1: ... that the founder of Indonesia's public health service, Willem Thomas de Vogel, was only able to finish med school thanks to his brother-in-law and cousin Dr. Einthoven, the father of electrocardiography?Source: Snellen, Hermann Adrianus (1995), Willem Einthoven (1860–1927) Father of Electrocardiography, Dordrecht: Kluwer Academic Publishers, pp. 22 & 70.- ALT2: ... that, when Willem Thomas de Vogel began sailing, his family forced him to take up the more respectable career of managing a cinchona plantation instead? Source: Snijders, Emilius Paulus (10 March 1953), "Hoofdartikelen: Dr. W. Th. de Vogel 90 Jaar Terugblik op een Rijk Leven", Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde, vol. 97, no. 12, p. 714.
- ALT3: ... that Willem Thomas de Vogel blocked any official use of traditional Indonesian medicine after he saw how poorly it handled the 1908 cholera outbreak? Source: Murakami, Saki (2015), "Call for Doctors! Uneven Medical Provision and the Modernization of State Health Care during the Decolonization of Indonesia, 1930s–1950s", Cars, Conduits, and Kampongs: The Modernization of the Indonesian City, 1920–1960, Leiden: Brill, p. 34.
- ALT4: ... that the founder of Indonesia's public health service, Willem Thomas de Vogel, fought against providing actual health care, preferring to work on improving sanitation and hygiene instead? Source: Winckel, Charles Willem Frederik (19 March 1955), "Personalia: In Memoriam Dr. W. Th. de Vogel", Nederlands Tijdschrift voor Geneeskunde, vol. 99, no. 12, p. 899.
- ALT5: ... that Willem Thomas de Vogel spent his life fighting malaria, cholera, and bubonic plague in the Dutch East Indies but lived to the age of 92? Source: Eh... See the article xD
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Wishah fi Fawa'id al-Nikah
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 22:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC).
- Kindly avoid adding extraneous links to the hooks. — LlywelynII 23:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @LlywelynII: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. AGF on the Dutch hooks and offline, with ALT3 checking out. ALT1 is too long (201 characters). No textual issues.
- Can Find a Grave be replaced in re: source for burial location?
- I really think Semarang, Willem Einthoven, and cinchona should be linked — I know I needed that context.
- I'd change "the" to "a" before "1908" in ALT3, in part because we don't have an article about this outbreak.
- Preference for hooks in order: ALT0, 4, 3, 2, 5
- Once the Find a Grave source is replaced, I will approve. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 7
Ekaterina Novitskaya
- ... that Ekaterina Novitskaya, then aged 16, became the first female ever to win the Queen Elisabeth Competition for piano? Source: https://queenelisabethcompetition.be/en/laureates/ekaterina-novitskaya-hervy/139/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Right to resist
- Comment: I'm still working on the article. And I will try and come out with a better hook. You too are welcome to find a better hook.
Created by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: The only issue is that Discogs isn't a reliable source due to being user edited. SL93 (talk) 01:01, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Moscow Connection: I also see some bare URLs that need to be cleaned up? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:07, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron There is only one bare URL. I didn't mention it because the entire Discogs source needs to be replaced. SL93 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93: sources 2, 3, and 13 (currently) aren't bare URLs? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- theleektcauldron They aren't. A bare URL is just that - a bare URL as in just the URL. "A bare URL is a URL cited as a reference for some information in an article without any accompanying information about the linked page. In other words, it is just the text out of the URL bar of a web browser copied and pasted into the Wiki text" per Wikipedia:Bare URLs. SL93 (talk) 08:30, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Fix ping - theleekycauldron SL93 (talk) 08:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Learned something today :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @SL93: sources 2, 3, and 13 (currently) aren't bare URLs? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay. I'll return on Monday.
Yes, you are right, I see the problem now. I'll try and find a better source. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron There is only one bare URL. I didn't mention it because the entire Discogs source needs to be replaced. SL93 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Empirical limits in science
- ... that scientists don't all agree on the gene concept and this is one of the empirical limits in science? Source: Arabatzis, Theodore (2019-06-11), "What Are Scientific Concepts?", What Is Scientific Knowledge?, Routledge, pp. 85–99, doi:10.4324/9780203703809-6, ISBN 978-0-203-70380-9, S2CID 197990250, retrieved 2022-04-30
5x expanded by Airstarfish (talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 7 May 2022 (UTC).
- @Airstarfish: The 5x expansion occurred in mainspace over the course of around 2–3 weeks. According the the letter of the rules, this would be permissible had the expansion occurred in a draft or sandbox. Since this is a student I'm going to count this as a technicality and say it follows the spirit of being new and long enough. It is within policy, Earwig detects no copyvios, and a QPQ review is not needed for a new user.
- The hook uses vague language and needs to be reworked or replaced: "scientists don't all agree on the gene concept" doesn't capture the article's discussion of the genotype/phenotype distinction. I'd also double-check that paragraph against the source (which I don't have access to at the moment); my instinct is that evolutionary biologists would emphasize phenotype while molecular biologists would emphasize genotype, which is the reverse of what the article says. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 23:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) would it be better if it read "... that scientists differ in their conceptualisation of the gene and this is one of the empirical limits in science"? as this is more consistent with the main point and wording in that section of the article. Also the article has the same order as written in the source in the genotype/phenotype discussion. I've found and cited an additional source [1], which is more explicit (and should preferably be used instead for the DYK nomination), in which the Author of the source also suspected it would be the other way around but upon investigation found it to be the way that it is written in the article. Airstarfish (talk) 08:00, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- @John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): alternatively to be even more specific it could read "... that scientists differ in their conceptualisation of the gene whereby some scientists think of the gene at a cellular level while others think in terms of its apparent effect and this is one of the empirical limits in science", but this hook might be giving too much away Airstarfish (talk) 08:37, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
@John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): The nominator hasn't edited since late May. Have your issues been addressed yet or do they still remain? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: The nominator responded on the article talk page instead of here; I just moved their response above. @Airstarfish: Does the source explicitly say that this difference in conceptualization is an empirical limit of science? Conceptualization would seem to me to be a theoretical rather than empirical limit. It would be easier if I could see the source myself, but I don't have access to it. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 01:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Rafflesia lawangensis
- ... that Rafflesia lawangensis was previously misidentified as Rafflesia arnoldii, only to be identified as a new species in 2005 after photographs of it were sent to the National University of Malaysia? Source: "Until 2005, when Ms. Ewa Kamila Grzelczak took a photograph of a bizarre blooming Rafflesia from Bukit Lawang and sent it to Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia. After long discussions, reviews of the existing information of all known Rafflesias and identification of specimens, we came to the conclusion that this was neither R. arnoldi nor R. atjehensis, but a new species to science, which is described here." Salleh, K.; Mahyuni, R.; Susatya, A.; Veldkamp, J. (2010). "RAFFLESIA LAWANGENSIS (RAFFLESIACEAE), A NEW SPECIES FROM BUKIT LAWANG, GUNUNG LEUSER NATIONAL PARK, NORTH SUMATRA, INDONESIA". Reinwardtia. 13 (2): 159–165. doi:10.14203/REINWARDTIA.V13I2.2136
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shushma Datt
- Comment: The "Rafflesia atjehensis" the article refers to was later subsumed as "Rafflesia arnoldii var. atjehensis" before any concerns are raised on that issue. The PDF of the article is freely available for download just to make things easier for the review. Thank you in advance to the reviewer, this is my second and last Rafflesia article of the day!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Self-nominated at 03:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC).
- Article new enough and long enough. Article is cited and sources, with the hook verified to the sources. Can we get a little more clarity/information on how the warts and spots are different from the other species? The sentance as it is feels like a fragment lacking completion. Also apologies for the delay in the review.--Kevmin § 20:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera:, any thoughts.--Kevmin § 18:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 9
Tenta, Cyprus
- ... that Tenta (pictured) is an archaeological settlement in Cyprus? Source: Todd, Ian (1978). "Excavations at Kalavasos-Tenta, Cyprus". Archaeology. 31(4): 58–59 – via JSTOR
Created by Cstylus (talk). Self-nominated at 00:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC).
- @Cstylus: The hook isn’t interesting I think. What about...
- ALT1: ... that Tenta’s architectural remains, artefacts, human burials, flora and fauna have been “virtually unchanged for two millennia"?
- ALT2: ... that Tenta’s excavations suggests that there was considerable continuity in social organisation as well as technological and economic practices for two millennia?
Check these two hook and let me know if one of two works. Mehedi Abedin 16:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
1982 World's Fair
- ... that the city of Knoxville in the state of Tennessee hosted the 1982 World's Fair to an estimated 11 million visitors, making one of the most successful world's fairs in United States history? Source: World Class Politics: Knoxville's 1982 World's Fair, Redevelopment and the Political Process. Joe Gadd (1982)
- ALT1: ... that touch-screen technology, pay-at-the-pump, cordless telephones, and Coca-Cola Cherry were all publicly unveiled at the 1982 World's Fair? Source:https://www.wbir.com/article/news/local/remembering-the-1982-worlds-fair/51-101289897
5x expanded by AppalachianCentrist (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC).
- I suppose this is your first DYK entry, AppalachianCentrist. Welcome to DYK. I hope you enjoy it here. Unfortunately, the article that you put forward does not meet the DYK criteria. Please have a close look at the WP:DYKRULES. Under the eligibility criteria, you fall short of 1b and 2b. The former because your expansion started on 13 April, i.e. way outside the 7-day requirement. The latter because the expansion is just under a factor of two and not anywhere near the required factor of five. Under rule 2, you can also find links that work out article prose size for you. I hope this isn't too off-putting and we hope to see you nominate your next article soon. Maybe write a new one? Pro-tip: write articles (or expansions) in user space and once it's done, then publish it and nominate at DYK at the same time. That way you never get in trouble with the "new" requirement. Schwede66 21:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: it does seem a little funky that we incentivize users to develop positive changes out of articlespace so that it can be done in less than a week... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- : And I would say we should put this nomination on hold. The article was nominated for GAN minutes before making the DYK nomination. If GAN passes, it would be eligible. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: it does seem a little funky that we incentivize users to develop positive changes out of articlespace so that it can be done in less than a week... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:48, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given that it's been a month without any progress on the GAN front (the article hasn't even been reviewed yet), the article can't be passed because it didn't meet expansion requirements. There is no prejudice against renominating for DYK if/when the GAN passes and I highly suggest to AppalachianCentrist to try again when that time comes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 10
Electronic Arrays 9002
- ... that the Electronic Arrays 9002 microprocessor was on the market for only a year before the company
gave up trying to sell itstopped marketing it without a single design win? Source: cushman 1978- ALT1: ... that the Electronic Arrays 9002 microprocessor was developed to get the company out of the calculator business, but led to their disappearance instead? Source: cushman 1978 + computerworld
5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:10, 10 May 2022 (UTC).
- Nice article - well-written, well-sourced. Fivefold expansion achieved over the past three days. First hook is better but I'm not sure about the use of "gave up trying to sell it" - maybe you could think of something less colloquial? Shahid • Talk2me 10:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Current status? Solution offered at link above followed? Maury Markowitz (talk) 22:29, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maury Markowitz The status is the same as when I last commented here. SL93 (talk) 23:13, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Which is what? The hook was swapped and then... what? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maury Markowitz The hook was pulled and the nomination was reopened. That's all. SL93 (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Got it. So does something have to happen now? Or is it back in the queue already? Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maury Markowitz The hook was pulled and the nomination was reopened. That's all. SL93 (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Which is what? The hook was swapped and then... what? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Squatting in Myanmar
- ... that squatters in Myanmar protested against the 2021 coup d'état and were punished by being evicted? Source: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/development/sites/bartlett_development/files/hty_oct_2021.pdf
- ALT1: ... that squatters in Myanmar were punished for protesting against the 2021 coup d'état by being evicted? Source: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/development/sites/bartlett_development/files/hty_oct_2021.pdf
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Barbara Ann Wilcox
Moved to mainspace by Mujinga (talk). Self-nominated at 10:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Though the article is 1577 prose characters, I'd judge it as a stub due to its lack of a lead in the face of the breadth of the topic. @Mujinga: could you add a lead sentence for a bit of structure? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Mike Chen
- ... that food YouTuber Mike Chen also runs a YouTube channel documenting strange phenomena? Source: CNBC (article): "Chen, who started making YouTube food videos six years ago, actually runs six different YouTube channels, with more than 5 million followers overall, including “Beyond Science,” where he explores “food, news, Chinese culture and mysterious phenomenons.”"
- ALT1: ... that YouTuber Mike Chen worked at Morgan Stanley before quitting to join New Tang Dynasty Television? Source: CNBC (article): "Chen is a former Morgan Stanley financial analyst who left that job after a year, in 2006. He then worked for the non-profit media company NTD Television, where he served as the head of digital strategy, until 2015."
- ALT2: ... that YouTuber Mike Chen worked part-time filming weddings while working at New Tang Dynasty Television? Source: The Dallas Morning News (article): "So I was filming weddings to make ends meet, for $200 a day or something ... living in a basement in Brooklyn."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sora Amamiya
- Comment: Happy AAPI month!
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: phenomena Kingoflettuce (talk) 09:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Corrected. lullabying (talk) 21:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- My first impression is that this article seems kind of "peacocky" or promotionally toned. The cites contain long quotations from the subject's YT videos; possible copyvio there. Finally, Reddit is not a reliable source. Please see WP:USERG. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 04:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can shorten the quotations to the point of the message, but I only listed them because there is no other coverage on them. Even if the Reddit thread is an AMA, that doesn't count? lullabying (talk) 04:35, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Just Another Cringy Username: Quotations on videos have been shortened, and the Reddit thread being a Reddit AMA is noted on this article. The AMA was also created in cooperation with Insider, so it's not completely user-generated. lullabying (talk) 04:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NOYT and WP:USERG. Neither YouTube nor Reddit are reliable sources, as they contain user-generated content. This speaks to the IMO greater problem of this article being essentially a promotional piece for Chen and his content channels. Depending on who created/contributed to this article, there may be WP:COI issues as well. As it stands, this article is at risk of being nominated for deletion. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Just Another Cringy Username: I am the original creator of this article and also the only person who has contributed (see the edit history). I can assure you I have no affiliation with him nor any organization he represents. I can remove YouTube and Reddit AMA citations if necessary but I need you to give me examples of how it's promotional so I can rewrite it. I have seen Reddit AMAs be used as sources before, and the YouTube videos are primary sources that were made by him -- they were also used to cite lines that currently do not have secondary sources. If you read WP:NOYT, there's a caveat that says However, official channels of notable organizations, such as Monty Python's channel, may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed. He owns the channels, so they can count as primary sources. lullabying (talk) 05:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I guess part of the problem is the very lack of secondary sources. If you take out the parts of this article that are sourced from Chen's own channel or from the Reddit AMA, there won't be much left, which is what makes it seem like a promotional piece. To be notable per WP:GNG, a subject needs to have received significant attention in secondary sources independent of the subject. This just makes it seem like there isn't a whole lot on this guy, so you have to fill that gap w/ primary sourced, user-generated content, which in turn weakens your case for his notability. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 07:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC
- @Just Another Cringy Username: The only coverage that wasn't provided and I had to cover with primary sources were his original channels from when he worked with NTD Television. There is, however, plenty of coverage on his main channel, Strictly Dumpling, as shown in the article, and Strictly Dumpling was even nominated for a Shorty Award. lullabying (talk) 08:13, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please see WP:NOYT and WP:USERG. Neither YouTube nor Reddit are reliable sources, as they contain user-generated content. This speaks to the IMO greater problem of this article being essentially a promotional piece for Chen and his content channels. Depending on who created/contributed to this article, there may be WP:COI issues as well. As it stands, this article is at risk of being nominated for deletion. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- His main channel is a self-published primary source, which we've already discussed. Another editor is free to disagree w/ me, but I would argue this article has notability issues and is not suitable for DYK in its present state. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 17:21, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Just Another Cringy Username: As previously stated, coverage on his Strictly Dumpling channel is noted in secondary and independent sources, so he passes WP:GNG. Primary sources are used to supplement other info if a secondary source isn't available. The Reddit thread is an AMA that was created and moderated by Insider Inc. Anyways, DYK is not the place to be discussing notability. lullabying (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually DYK can be a place to raise concerns about notability. If reviewers or other editors are unconvinced that the subject of the nomination is notable, they can request an AFD to test consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The channel passes WP:GNG due to its coverage and it was nominated for a Streamy award. I feel that shows notability. lullabying (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually DYK can be a place to raise concerns about notability. If reviewers or other editors are unconvinced that the subject of the nomination is notable, they can request an AFD to test consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:42, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 11
Shireen Abu Akleh
- ... that Palestinian American journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was shot and killed while wearing a blue vest with "PRESS" written on it while covering a raid by the Israel Defense Forces on the Jenin refugee camp in the West Bank? Source: "Samodi, working for the Jerusalem-based Al-Quds newspaper, told Haaretz that he and Abu Akleh were clearly identified as reporters, wearing their press vests, when they were shot at. In video footage of the incident, Abu Akleh can be seen wearing a blue flak jacket clearly marked with the word 'PRESS.' [...] Israeli forces were operating in the Jenin refugee camp and several other areas of the West Bank to apprehend 'terror suspects,' the military said." Haaretz
- ALT1: ... that the killing of Shireen Abu Akleh was protested (pictured) at Nakba Day rallies internationally?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cameron Brink
Created by Ezlev (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 19:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC).
- Reviewing. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 11:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- As far as this nomination goes, it is a really good effort and close to closure. New article nominated on time and long enough. The article was linked in Wikipedia:In the news as a recent death between 11 May-14 May; as per DYK eligibility criteria (1.d.) it is still eligible as it has not "appeared on the main page as bold link".
- With regard to the hooks
- ALT1- I have some reservations over ALT1. I do not think that ALT1 is "interesting to a broad audience" (3.a.). The article does not go into length about the Nakba rallies; it can be considered as a passing mention. With regard to usage of the word "internationally", the article does not clarify this; going into the reference in question about 20-25 countries are mentioned. Further, the reference does not make it clear if all of these countries had the protests on Nakba Day. On the basis of this, I do not consider the image and coinciding caption suitable. Further a crop of the image to focus on the poster in the ladies left hand may result in a case of derived work.
- ALT0 - While the article intro mentions "the Jenin refugee camp", the article body does not. I am pointing this out since the ALT0 is giving some emphasis to where she was killed. If you wish to keep the detail, please try and mention this point in the body as well. Otherwise ALT0 can be shortened without losing the "interest" (3.a.) value that I think the nominator is intending. Also, along with the mention of IDF, "Palestinian militants" could find there way into ALT0. Since the article covers the multiple narratives with regard to the death, the hook should not convey, or seem to convey a certainty. Point 3 of the eligibility criteria uses the word "fact".
- With regard to citations, plagiarism and close paraphrasing etc; earwigs seems to catch some similarities however most of this seems to be quotes and names. A quick spot check throws up some points. The intro mentions "she inspired many other Palestinians and Arabs, particularly women, to pursue careers in journalism" however it does not have a citation, the body does not carry this particular point as well, only mentioning "Abu Akleh's career inspired many other Palestinians and Arabs to become journalists" with no mention of women thus rendering it unreferenced. Another reviewer may want to look at the "Within policy" point more closely, however in good faith I think it meets DYK standards.
- FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- If you wish that I continue this review following changes/comments, I wouldn't mind, DYK rules permitting. If you wish for a new review/reviewer please just mention that below. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Ashuanipi
... that Quebec's claimed territory of Ashuanipi (map pictured) formerly claimed "all other parts of territory watered by water-courses flowing directly towards the Atlantic"? Source: The quote from: The revised statutes of the province of Quebec, 1909. 1909. pp. 101–102.- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Citi Exhibition: Manga
- Comment: Thank you in advance to the reviewer! Alternative hooks can be suggested if you see fit!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Self-nominated at 10:34, 11 May 2022 (UTC).
- Note from the author of the Newfoundland and Labrador-Quebec border - I don't think this one can go as presented (that is to say, change the hook). For starters, Ashuanipi was not a self-governing part, only an internal administrative unit without any hint at sovereignty whatsoever, so we can't write that "Ashuanipi claims" (or claimed). The correct phrasing would be "Quebec claimed that Ashuanipi was..." (or is, with the caveat that the province has relinquished its claim over the area). Another problem is that we should clarify the quote in the place where it refers to the "all other" part (relative to what? the federally/NL-recognised border in the area? The QC claimed border, today or in 1909?). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 18:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Great points @Szmenderowiecki:! It really means a lot that you have reached out, your thoughts are definitely helpful. I was already aware of the first point, I was not under any impression that Ashuanipi was governing itself, and that is expressed in the article, it was simply an error of my wording. According to the source, it sets out the boundaries (Quebec and the county of Saguenay), and then claims all other waters that flow into the Atlantic. I'll try and reword the hook with that in mind. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:25, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
ALT1 ... Quebec claimed that Ashuanipi (map pictured) included "all other parts of territory watered by water-courses flowing directly towards the Atlantic" in the poorly-defined borders set out for the region?
- I don't think this fixes the problems. Basically the divide here is "rivers flowing into the St. Lawrence vs. rivers flowing directly towards the Atlantic". It still isn't clear for a person not interested in Canadian geography what the "all other part" means. Yeah, in Quebec, all rivers flow into the Atlantic, either via the St. Lawrence or to the Hudson Bay, but among the 150M+ visitors every month of the main page, how many people would know that? Which leads me to the second, I don't feel this would be an interesting hook to begin with. I'd suggest going along the lines of the Quebec law still featuring Ashuanipi despite having relinquished its claim over the area, choosing from the text you already have. If you are able to find more info to expand the article with the content not already in the French article, we can consider the info from there, though I don't think much will be found because mining, on which almost all of the population relies, wasn't a thing there in 1900s and the terrain is (still) mostly unpopulated as the climate is harsh. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Frankly the article kind of does find more info from reliable sources given that the original French article has some portions that remain unsourced. I do get what you mean, and if you have more information that you had come across while writing the Newfoundland and Labrador-Quebec border article you are welcome to send it my way. I'll propose an alternative hook as per your suggestion.
- ALT2 ... that, according to the Territorial Division Act, Ashuanipi (pictured) is still recognized as one of four territories of Quebec?
- I don't think this fixes the problems. Basically the divide here is "rivers flowing into the St. Lawrence vs. rivers flowing directly towards the Atlantic". It still isn't clear for a person not interested in Canadian geography what the "all other part" means. Yeah, in Quebec, all rivers flow into the Atlantic, either via the St. Lawrence or to the Hudson Bay, but among the 150M+ visitors every month of the main page, how many people would know that? Which leads me to the second, I don't feel this would be an interesting hook to begin with. I'd suggest going along the lines of the Quebec law still featuring Ashuanipi despite having relinquished its claim over the area, choosing from the text you already have. If you are able to find more info to expand the article with the content not already in the French article, we can consider the info from there, though I don't think much will be found because mining, on which almost all of the population relies, wasn't a thing there in 1900s and the terrain is (still) mostly unpopulated as the climate is harsh. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 08:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The map or the text of the article is wrong or misleading. The article tries to say that Quebec still recognizes the territory while the map is labelled as showing it is not in any way claimed by Quebec. Choose one or the other, rephrasing or adding qualifiers as necessary. — LlywelynII 16:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- @LlywelynII: To the best of my knowledge Ashuanipi technically exists in that weird grey zone of Quebec not making an active claim over the area after the ruling, but simultaneously recognizing it in legislation as a territory. There are territories that Quebec actively makes claims over (portions above the 52nd parallel), but Ashuanipi isn't included in that. We have instances of official maps that are required to illustrate Quebec's interpretation of the territory it controls, but this does not include Ashuanipi. However, that is complicated by the fact Quebec does still recognize it in some legislation (namely the Territorial Division Act), so I'm not sure myself how to word it. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- I guess the important bits are here:
"The territory of Ashuanipi was defined under the terms of the An Act respecting the territories of Abittibi, Mistassini and Ashuanipi[1] (French: Loi concernant les territoires d'Abittibi, de Mistassini et d'Ashuanipi) of 1899. Article 2.3 of the act read: "The territory of Ashuanipi is bounded to the north, to the east and to the west by the limits of the province; and to the south and southwest by the county of Saguenay".[2] The Revised statutes of the province of Quebec, 1909 would recognize the same description of the territory.[3] The Territorial Division Act's description remains largely the same, but alters the south and southwest portion's boundaries by the "electoral districts of Duplessis and Saguenay".[4]
"The territory, as defined by the provisions of the former act, directly included the river basins of the Ashuanipi River, Hamilton River, and Esquimaux River. It additionally included "all other parts of territory watered by water-courses flowing directly towards the Atlantic".[3]"
1. If you're using title case, the letters marked in bold should be capitalized in English if not French, and you should delete the "the" before "An".
2. If you're using sentence case, the underlined letters should be in lower case, although Act should probably stay capitalized and you should replace the "the An" that precedes it with a simple "the".
3. 1909 either needs to be be followed by a comma, not be preceded by a comma, or surrounded with parentheses without any commas. "Would" is the wrong verb tense for something that happened 111 years ago, given that you're not setting a story in the year 1908 or sth here.
4. There have been numerous "Territorial Division Acts". Google brings up several by Ontario and several by Quebec. You presumably mean the Quebecker act inclusive of all its modifications through the years (as linked), but you should clarify that—as opposed to 2 specifically dated acts that you've just mentioned—this act is the present form of the law inclusive of all of the amendments since its initial enactment in YYYY.
5. It's completely opaque what "the former act" means here, given you've referred to 3. Grammatically, ignoring that it's meant to distinguish 2 options, it should mean that you're giving the territory's boundaries as provided by the ARTAMA (1899), which can't possibly be true since you just gave that definition. Presumably, you mean something else. It can't possibly mean the second of the two, since you say that's the same as the first. Possibly you wrote "former" and meant "last", which still can't be true since you just gave that definition. Presumably, then, you wrote "territory" (=Ashuanipi) and meant "province" (=Quebec). It's still unclear whether you meant the first or last of the 3 acts by saying "former", but presumably you mean to define "the limits of the province" that the first act included in its definition of Ashuanipi, which was supposedly repeated in the next 2 acts as well. Of course, the limits of the province aren't defined by any of this legislation. They're defined by some other more important federal act that you've omitted here.
6. Similarly, the description you've provided here would mean that Ashuanipi's western border was on Hudson Bay and made a wide band across the entire province. That's obviously not the case, although the reason that's not the case is relevant parts of the legislation that you omitted here, explaining that the territories consist only of areas of the province of Quebec not otherwise organized as judicial districts (i.e. organized counties) or registration divisions (cf. §§1, 2, & 13 of the TDA).
That probably ends up answering your confusion, although it requires a complete rewrite of the current article. Ashuanipi Territory includes all the land in the province of Quebec in watersheds flowing south to the Atlantic or its inlets which is not otherwise organized into counties. Correspondingly, it includes no land, since there are no lands within the province of Quebec which meet that definition. It may have always been a dead letter or it may at some point in the past have included land that was notionally Quebec's but, once whatever legislation occurred that established the present provincial border between Quebec and the Newfies, its size went to exactly nothing. Revise the map to show the dates of the valid claim or remove it there were never any valid claims to any of Newfoundland's part of the relevant watersheds.
Of course, if this is a papal situation where you have the Quebec government still naming and paying titular administrators of its entirely notional "territory", that would be interesting and maybe even involve some newspaper stories and corruption trials. — LlywelynII 22:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Edit: Ok, now I'm even more confused.
Apparently, Labrador has a good section on the Quebec boundary dispute, some of which should be included into your article; you should also link your article from there and the 52nd parallel north article. There's also the Newfoundland and Labrador–Quebec border article that you're already linked from. As near as I can understand: i. René-Lévesque is apparently the present name of Saguenay. You can leave Saguenay in historical legislation but you should clarify what its present name is at least once. The borders of the district seem to have changed over time to the point that it's completely irrelevant to Ashuanipi. That Ashuanipi's entire southern border would be with Duplessis, it looks like. That should be mentioned and ideally shown on a map of Quebec's local divisions if possible. ii. Your map appears to be based on the idea that René-Lévesque and Duplessis have northern borders defined by watersheds, which seems to be right although that isn't explained or sourced. It should be. iii. Your map appears to be based on the idea that the western and northern boundaries of Ashuanipi are determined by the course of the Ashuanipi and Hamilton Rivers, which doesn't appear to be correct at all, isn't explained, and isn't sourced. It should be, if it has any basis other than the map you found. iv. Historically, Quebec's claims against Labrador would have made Ashuanipi take up the entire continental part of Newfoundland outside a strip one mile deep from the ocean and its inlets, right? That should be explained and shown. v. The legal issue isn't resolved because Quebec never fully accepted the 1927 ruling after all. Parizeau had been willing to concede it in 1995 but that doesn't seem to have been made official and other Quebec pols since have continued to complain about the line. Quebec nationalism makes this all actually kind of important. vi. On the other hand, Quebec does seem to have fully conceded Ashuanipi. Its extraterritorial claims (see EQ's Cote-Nord map) only include the bits of Duplessis's watershed claims that inch north of 52°N. I don't know when Quebec stopped claiming everything except the Newfies' coastal strip but they seem to have, meaning that even if they got independence and threatened war to reclaim "their" land, it wouldn't include anything from "Ashuanipi" even though they continue to use the name. It might be a dead letter or might not, depending on how maximal their rejection of Labrador's expansion has been. — LlywelynII 23:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- i. Yep.
- ii. If we assume the Quebec's claimed border since 1927, that's correct.
- iii. Well, the only map we have is the one already provided in the article. There's also a description contained within this opus of a document, which says on p. 4790 that Ashuanipi is defined as being "the territory so bounded [that] comprises the basin of the River Ashuanipi, Hamilton or Esquimaux, as well as all other parts of territory watered by water-courses flowing directly towards the Atlantic." So not the course itself, but the basins. The northern and eastern boundaries definition are on page 5142-3. Ashuanipi, Hamilton and Esquimaux appear to be alternative names for the same river (not to be confused with Hamilton/Churchill Falls, which is a constant generator of electricity and Newfie butthurt).
- iv. Yes, though a. it was Canada's claim, b. I don't know to which extent the part of Quebec's Labrador would belong to Ungava/Nouveau-Québec. The map is certainly valid for 1898-1912, but I see no newer map for 1912-1927, and I can't really access it. BAnQ doesn't seem to have a map of Ashuanipi (what would they plot there anyway?), and most maps of Quebec of the time ignore the region we know now as Côte-Nord for about the same reason.
- v-vi. I removed the Parizeau statement as nothing seems to support it (maybe it's in the 2010 book by Dorion? but I have no access to it). The legal issue is in general considered to be resolved, but just like Newfies have butthurt about the Churchill Falls, Quebeckers have butthurt about the strip of land no one lives in. To be short, Canada stopped claiming the majority of Labrador following the 1927 ruling. Quebec insists, as is written in the article on the border, that it was wronged and the strip of land between the watershed and the federally/NL-recognised border should belong to Quebec, but no one seems to buy it (except for these guys, but even that video was botched because the map appearing in 0:37 has a straight border :)). Quebec tried to claim the whole of Labrador in the 1960s (as I've just got to know) when the Churchill Falls deal was being negotiated, but their maps no longer indicate the claim, so it most likely suggests they've learned to live with it. So yes, Ashuanipi is a relic of the books, just like the portions in the US Constitution about counting slaves as 3/5 of a person.
- As an interesting side note, Ashuanipi has a lot of literature in the geological topics. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Since I assume that I have now scared away anyone else with that text wall, I guess I'm on the hook for doing the full review now.
- I guess the important bits are here:
- i. seems settled.
- ii. No, given that it forms part of Ashuanipi's putative southern border, you should find out where they claimed that watershed line or (at least) figure out and mention by name which specific watersheds are clearly being used by the Quebeckinese. If it already is there and I didn't notice, apologies, but go ahead and work it into the territorial description instead of leaving things off at the "northern border" mentioned in the legislation.
- iii. & iv. The p. 4790 definition ("as well as all other...") would seem to repeat the maximalist claim that Quebec wanted everything in continental Terre-Neuve except the one mile beachhead, unless there's something specifically around that setting a northern boundary. Certainly the Hamilton isn't only watered from the south. I'm getting unsafe address and other errors when I try to access the pdf, though. What does pp. 5142–5143 say? Anything about the midpoint of the Hamilton? or the map is wrong? or based on something else?
- v. & vi. It really doesn't seem like it. We had a series of terrorist campaigns, massive war, and a series of nationally-involved amendments to fix that slavery business. It seems just the opposite here. Quebec drops the subject when there's no hay to be made and then immediately "remembers" this enduring "injustice" when it suits its purposes. It sounds like if anything valuable (nickel, lithium, oil, &c.) were discovered or they finally did go independent that this would be a major thing again, pending any formal renunciation of the claims.
- — LlywelynII 04:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- New enough at time of submission; long enough (3.9k elig. chars.); neutral and well cited; no likely copyvio per Earwig; I'm always leery of AGF avoidance of source checking given how easy autotranslation is becoming, but if the promoter didn't have an issue with it then it's fine for QPQ; the image can't be used without additional assurance that it's in the US public domain (I assume it is but it still needs the confirmation and template); more importantly, it seems to be off. We're still working through issues with the article regarding the core of the subject above. Maybe once we have, there will be more interesting hooks, but there's nothing wrong with the current ALT2. — LlywelynII 04:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Frankly with how a deep of a dive you have taken on the subject, I do appreciate the time you have taken to look into the topic. All of this is quite frankly overwhelming, so I have taken some time off the review. I don't have any way of verifying whether the images are appropriate, and they were not uploaded by me in the first place. If I was better acquainted with US copyright law I would give a more concrete assertion, but you are welcome to remove the image if it is in violation. If there is more that needs to be addressed, other than the minor grammar issues you have brought up earlier that need to be addressed, please do let me know. I do wish you avoid what seems to appear to be slighting my previous reviews, as we do need to remember that this community tends most often to do work in good faith. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: Apologies for any personal offense caused. It's more of a general thing and not at all a slight on your decency. You're right that it's more appropriately addressed in the category talk as far as amending the rules given that foreign autotranslation is so generally possible that we as reviewers should at least show a good faith effort to have tried. That is admittedly hard in the case of nonhighlightable images of (eg) Chinese, Thai, Indian language, or even German Franktur books. If you're at all interested, see my review of the German Tarok article for how to go about addressing that. (The reviewer should obviously have a command of the language involved, so they should be able to transcribe the relevant quote for confirmation of existence and autotranslation.) No, that's not in the current rules so, no, there's nothing untoward in your not having done it. — LlywelynII 21:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 12
Full BASIC
- ... that it took 13 years to ratify the standard for Full BASIC and it still had "intolerable" problems? Source: Guntheroth for intolerable, the ECMA spec doc for timing
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Saumlaki
- Comment: Something went wrong with the DYK tool, I only noticed now that it didn't actually post it.
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 14:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC).
- Article is long enough. It was created on May 12, but the nomination is dated May 26. This is longer than the allowed 7-day window, but the nomination states that a technical failure of the DYK tool is responsible for the late listing so I recommend that this requirement be waived per WP:IAR.
- Earwig flags some potential copyright violations, mostly in the example program listing ("Program CRAPS"). It is properly attributed, but I'm concerned that the length of the copied material exceeds any fair use. It doesn't really add anything important to the article, so my suggestion is to delete that entire section.
- I did not exhaustively examine every reference, but overall the bibliography looks to be all WP:RS and the article text appears to be adequately cited to those sources.
- There are no WP:BLP issues.
- QPQ is satisfied.
- Regarding the hook, I don't see where in the article is says that it took 13 years to ratify. This needs to be clarified.
- Overall, -- RoySmith (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Group formed Jan 1974, ratified by ANSI Jan 1987 = 13 years. Those dates are reffed, I don't think we need a ref for math. Source code is widely found in most language articles, I've never seen an issue with CQ being raised before, but I'm not sure the rules here, I can't find any comment on it. I can say it was not raised during Minimal BASIC which has a similar example. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- 1974 is when the ratification of Minimal BASIC was started. The ratification of Full BASIC didn't start until 1977 (at least according to the article), so that's 10 years. It's a bit confusing. I'll leave the fair use question about the source code to somebody better versed in copyright/fair use than I am. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: No, they are both the same effort, the split happened during the effort. It's like you want to build a car to go to the store, but then you realize that it's going to take longer than you like so you quickly put together a gocart and then return to building the car. The effort is and always was to build a car, and in this case, the effort is and always was to make a standard BASIC. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:33, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- 1974 is when the ratification of Minimal BASIC was started. The ratification of Full BASIC didn't start until 1977 (at least according to the article), so that's 10 years. It's a bit confusing. I'll leave the fair use question about the source code to somebody better versed in copyright/fair use than I am. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Group formed Jan 1974, ratified by ANSI Jan 1987 = 13 years. Those dates are reffed, I don't think we need a ref for math. Source code is widely found in most language articles, I've never seen an issue with CQ being raised before, but I'm not sure the rules here, I can't find any comment on it. I can say it was not raised during Minimal BASIC which has a similar example. Maury Markowitz (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Mixed cities
- ... that Israel's mixed cities don't have much mixing? Source: Hawari, 2019, p.177: This rejection of the "mixed city" notion by Johnny and others reflects the spatial reality on ground and the political and social marginalisation faced by the Palestinian community everywhere inside Israel… The narrative of continuous historical coexistence and a mixed present-day reality in Haifa serves to support Israel's self-image as a pluralist and democratic society. In addition to giving the settler-colonial reality legitimacy, the existence of mixed urban spaces leads many to assume that under the current structures of power, a shared life is possible. The reality, however, is a space in which both Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews live mostly separately and with vastly different experiences.
Tzfadia 2011, p. 160: "Israeli mixed cities, particularly after 1948, cannot be perceived as multi-cultural cities, a point poignantly reflected in the absence of this term in the indexes of the reviewed books. Although localities were divided between the culturally distinctive Jews and Arabs, the cities still did not bear the potential to become multicultural. This absence of a multi-cultural vision in Israeli mixed cities impinges on the concept of "right to the city." For example, Yacobi maintains that the Arab community in Lod does not enjoy freedom in the city--it lacks the legitimacy to maintain individual and collective identities and lifestyles, to take part in decision-making, and not to be excluded. Thus, Holston's (1999) project to oppose and undermine dominant narratives of the state within the urban framework and to create alternative local narratives that do not necessarily reflect the rationale of the nation, has failed in mixed cities in Israel."
Yacobi 2009, p. 1: "However, a critical examination forces us to question the term "mixed city," which might originally suggests the integration of society, while instead the reality is controversial. As in other cases of ethnonationalism, a clear spatial and mental division exists between Arabs and Jews in Israel, and hence the occurrence of "mixed" spaces is both exceptional and involuntary. Rather than occurring naturally, it has resulted from a historical process during which the Israeli territory, including cities that were previously Palestinian, has been Judaized. This book attempts to discursivelv undermine the term "mixed city," which raises images of mutual membership while ignoring questions of power, control and resistance."
Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: I get that Google pushes the Israeli use to the fore but, no, this term has been in common use since the mid-1800s. The fact so many cites are "sneer quoting" the term suggests they're just calquing some Hebrew term and don't really consider it the main and proper meaning of mixed city in English. This article shouldn't be parked at the main namespace here, and fwiw the plural form is also wrong. It should be at something like Mixed city (Israel). — LlywelynII 04:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The use of the title Mixed cities without any form of disambiguation is supported by peer-reviewed scholarly research in the Journal of Urban History: Karlinsky, Nahum (2021-08-09). "Revisiting Israel's Mixed Cities Trope". Journal of Urban History. SAGE Publications. 47 (5): 1103–1129. doi:10.1177/00961442211029835. ISSN 0096-1442.
A search for the phrase mixed cities in English, conducted on Google on June 14, 2020, unequivocally showed the significantly frequent usage of the term in its exceptional Israeli interpretation even if English is used. Of the first forty results, twenty-eight (70%) were about Jewish Arab cities in Israel. Most of these entries referred to quotidian matters and much less so to scholarly studies. Six (15%) denoted articles about the “Most Diverse Cities in America” and in the world. Four (10%) dealt with the notion of mixed use in city planning and various functions; one (2.5%) addressed Apartheid South Africa’s so-called “grey” inner cities areas. The last reference (2.5%) was to an article in the British newspaper The Guardian, written by the influential urban scholar Saskia Sassen, in which she enthusiastically characterized the “mixed city” as a social, ethnic, and cultural barricade to the ills of globalization. A search for the term mixed cities in English as an exact phrase (set within quotation marks) produced similar results: thirty-six entries out of the first forty (90%) concerned Israel’s multi-ethnic/multi-national urban space.10 These entries comprised many daily reports along with some references to scholarly studies, underlying the fact that this concept is widely used not only in research literature but mainly in discussing daily life in Israel. Similar searches in leading journals of Urban Studies and in Google Scholar produced comparable results to the searches cited above. Thus, a search on Google Scholar on February 17, 2021, for the term mixed cities, found that fifteen of the first twenty results (75%) were about scholarly publications that discussed Jewish Arab urban space in Israel or in British Palestine. An exact search, set in quotation marks, produced even more significant results, as eighteen of the first twenty entries (90%) led to scholarly publications on Palestine/Israel’s Arab Jewish urban spaces. Moreover, the above-mentioned searches unequivocally show that an overwhelming majority of scholars who employed the terms mixed cities or mixed towns in their studies of the Arab Jewish urban scene in Israel went through some of Israel’s formal and informal socialization systems. These include mainstream Israeli Jewish scholars as well as Arab scholars who were educated in Israel and critical Israeli Jewish scholars. Since most research on this urban space is conducted by these scholars, the unique employment of this term inadvertently creates an exceptional interpretative framework. As mentioned above, as a graduate of that hegemonic discursive regime myself, I have also used that term in a previous publication. Hence, the current critical look is also a self-critical examination of the power of hegemonic discourse on one’s own identity construction and scholarly work.
- As to the origin of the term, Karlinsky writes: "scholars concluded that the term was coined by the British authorities during the time Britain controlled Palestine as a League of Nations’ Mandatory Power (1918-1948)." He goes on to argue the British borrowed it from Zionist discourse (which was written in many languages including English).
- This is also underpinned by the fact that in 20 years of Wikipedia each of the terms "Mixed cities", "Mixed city", "Mixed towns" or "Mixed town" have remained unused and never even been a redirect.
- Onceinawhile (talk) 07:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pretty sure I just said that Google wasn't a reliable source for this. Finding a printed work using an unreliable methodology doesn't validate the same unreliable methodology. It just means you found a shoddy source and still need to fix the namespace. Even within Google, the 2nd highest scoring 'mixed city' is Kirkuk, which (last time I checked) still wasn't within Israel even under the widest territorial claims. See also here for the JUH’s general provincialism and shoddiness, not that it matters given the obviousness of the problem. As far as needing to see broader use of the term, cf various standard phrasings like "mixed cities of the" ~ (ranks just below "mixed cities of Haifa...") and the results range from the ancient Near East to imperial Germany. More generally, "mixed cities of" pulls up modern Israel, ancient Israel, modern Israel, Central Europe, London & Westminster, modern Israel but *not* talking about the formal designation you mean, ancient Israel, ancient Israel, North Africa, modern Israel, ancient Israel, ancient Israel, modern Israel, central Iraq, modern Israel, North Africa, early modern Israel (not the formal designation you mean), British India, modern Israel, the towns of the European Diaspora of Jews, modern Israel, the Ancient Middle East, &c. You're batting about 30-40%, which is a lot but doesn't make this the PRIMARYTOPIC for the lower-case words. Alternatively, if you truly hate dabbing, just capitalize it as a formal class designation instead of a general use of "mixed" + "city", which isn't Israeli focused in the English language.
- The use of the title Mixed cities without any form of disambiguation is supported by peer-reviewed scholarly research in the Journal of Urban History: Karlinsky, Nahum (2021-08-09). "Revisiting Israel's Mixed Cities Trope". Journal of Urban History. SAGE Publications. 47 (5): 1103–1129. doi:10.1177/00961442211029835. ISSN 0096-1442.
- As far as their previously having been left unused, sure. It's a general term that Wikipedia would leave to Wiktionary to take care of. Even Wiktionary probably considers it mostly SOP. That doesn't make the Israeli sense the PRIMARYTOPIC by default.
- It's great that you're helping discuss this topic. Fix the mistaken pluralization, dab the title as a specific use of a general term, and move on. — LlywelynII 18:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- No need to be aggressive. You are criticizing the methodology used by a peer-reviewed journal article. If you wish, you can share your opinion on this with the editor of the Journal of Urban History (contact details here). Onceinawhile (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Proving further proof that you're mistaken isn't aggression. You took the time to find a (single) source buttressing your point; I respected your work and interest enough to provide a more thorough rebuttal and to remind you that (like I already discussed) the methodology your source used isn't trustworthy, regardless of having been allowed to be published. — LlywelynII 18:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The aggressive areas of your response were: (1) emphasizing "just"; (2) calling a peer-reviewed article "shoddy"; and (3) implying that your side of this debate is "right". I respect your argument and hope you respect mine. I suggest we cordially agree to disagree and open an WP:RM discussion. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Proving further proof that you're mistaken isn't aggression. You took the time to find a (single) source buttressing your point; I respected your work and interest enough to provide a more thorough rebuttal and to remind you that (like I already discussed) the methodology your source used isn't trustworthy, regardless of having been allowed to be published. — LlywelynII 18:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- No need to be aggressive. You are criticizing the methodology used by a peer-reviewed journal article. If you wish, you can share your opinion on this with the editor of the Journal of Urban History (contact details here). Onceinawhile (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Those aren't aggressive. It's accurate and important to point out that your "rebuttal" had already been addressed. The journal has problems (sourced) but isn't shoddy. The methodology used by the article you quoted is shoddy, again for the reasons already addressed before you posted it. I didn't use the word 'right', but that part of your comment seems nonsensical. If people didn't believe they were correct they wouldn't need to disagree with one another, with all the attendant unpleasantness when the other person takes it personally, as you currently are.
- I can't respect yours at the moment because you're just appealing to authority. Normally that's fine (WP:RS and all that) but here you can specifically see their reasoning for their point and it's slapdash vanilla Google results which, as already discussed, is problematic. If you had some actual rebuttal to the points I'm making besides "where's your peer review huh?" that would be more helpful. It's very clear that the peer review involved was about the article's actual research and not nit-picking about their term or the mistaken argument they made about it. On the other hand, since it means your current article violates WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:SINGULAR, it does mean we need to hold up the nomination over this until it gets fixed. You're welcome to do a WP:RM and/or WP:RFC to pull in more voices though. 30-40% certainly is debatable (not entirely wrong like you seem to think I'm saying) but it does seem unhelpful to tie such a basic term to just 8 or so towns in Israel.
- As far as research that helps buttress your case a little, "mixed cities like..." does pull in more Israeli results: modern Israel x2, "Boston and San Francisco", prepartition Israel, modern Israel x2, Kurdistan, "Yonkers, New York, or Hayward, California", "Jakarta or Medan", modern Israel, Kurdistan, modern Israel, Kurdistan x2, modern Israel x4, Kurdistan... At least there, you're over 50% on something besides trusting Google's vanilla algorithm. It still seems too mixed to me to hold up the lower-case form of the words, but maybe other editors would think it rises to PRIMARYTOPIC. In any case, you still need to fix the singular issue regardless. — LlywelynII 19:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here is an eye-opener. Put
"the term mixed cities"
(using the quotation marks) into google or google books. I believe 100% of the results relate to Israel. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)- That isn't an eye opener. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The entire problem is that "mixed city" is used as a generic descriptor rather than a term. Yes, as a specific term to a specific class of cities, the Israeli use would be the primary topic. The problem is all the generic use. That's why I was suggesting Mixed City might be more appropriate, although of course you can't force the capitalization onto scholarship or the Israeli government if they don't already use it. — LlywelynII 19:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi LlywelynII, thanks for your last two posts. To address this first, I see this as a common situation across our project. See for example: cold ironing, stomach division, dog watch or free company. Each of these articles have uncapitalized names which are frequently used generically, but the articles are focused on a specific technical use of the terminology. None of those articles have disambiguating brackets because the first sentence of each article makes it abundantly clear what the article is about. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- The problem with those is that there aren't common uses of other senses of those words. I guess "cold ironing" could be using an unheated iron or "dog watch" could be a canine timepiece, but I can't imagine many people would ever actually use either. With "mixed cities" you're looking at somewhere between 30-70% of people using it in printed works to talk about other topics. Anyway, I've raised my point and made my case. I'll shut up already before I scare off your genuine reviewers and they can weigh in on which of us they agree with. Thanks for coming back around to seeing that it's nothing personal at all, just a difference of opinion about the primarytopic here. (Plus, use the singular form as the article title but I'll let other people nag you about that xD.) — LlywelynII 22:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi LlywelynII, thanks for your last two posts. To address this first, I see this as a common situation across our project. See for example: cold ironing, stomach division, dog watch or free company. Each of these articles have uncapitalized names which are frequently used generically, but the articles are focused on a specific technical use of the terminology. None of those articles have disambiguating brackets because the first sentence of each article makes it abundantly clear what the article is about. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- That isn't an eye opener. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The entire problem is that "mixed city" is used as a generic descriptor rather than a term. Yes, as a specific term to a specific class of cities, the Israeli use would be the primary topic. The problem is all the generic use. That's why I was suggesting Mixed City might be more appropriate, although of course you can't force the capitalization onto scholarship or the Israeli government if they don't already use it. — LlywelynII 19:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here is an eye-opener. Put
- Full review needed now that initial discussion has run its course. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm working on this. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Article is long enough and new enough.
- The last sentence of the 2nd paragraph
The eighth city is Jerusalem ... is not recognized as such under international law
needs a citation to a WP:RS. -
a clear spatial and mental division exists between Arabs and Jews in Israel, and hence the occurrence of "mixed" spaces is both exceptional and involuntary
is a direct quote, so it needs to be quoted and referenced. Other than that, I'm not seeing any copyvio/paraphrasing problems. - This isn't a DKY issue per-se, but replace several uses of "c." with {{Circa}}.
- I'm not totally following the history here, but the article was tagged with {{NPOV}} in Special:Diff/1091862473 which was removed by RMCD bot in Special:Diff/1091864638. I suspect the bot mis-parsed things because of an unclosed <noinclude> tag. @Tombah: is this still an issue, or has the NPOV been resolved to your satisfaction?
- No WP:BLP or other policy issues except as noted above.
- QPQ has been satisfied.
- The hook is OK, but a pithier verion might be:
- ALT1: "...that Israel's mixed cities aren't really?"
- -- RoySmith (talk) 17:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Giuseppe Mariani (doctor)
- ... that Italian dermatologist Giuseppe Mariani protected the Jews of Genoa during the Holocaust by hiding them in the city's leprosarium? Source: Barabino, Gianfranco; et al. (June 2020), "Genoa and Leprosy from the Middle Ages to the Present", Giornale Italiano Dermatologia e Venereologia, vol. 155, no. 3, Turin: Minerva Medica, pp. 346–348. "In the early 1900’s, Radaeli promoted the construction of a leprosarium behind the San Martino hospital. In 1936 Giuseppe Mariani was known for using the leprosarium to hide Italian Jews during deportation to the extermination camps."
- ALT1: ... that dermosyphilopathologist Giuseppe Mariani received a silver medal for his bravery under fire at the Third Battle of the Isonzo? Source: Farnetani, Francesca (2008), "Mariani, Giuseppe", Dizionario Biografio degli Italiani, vol. 70. "Chiamato alle armi allo scoppio del conflitto mondiale, il M. fu assegnato a un ospedale da campo in prima linea: nel corso delle azioni svoltesi sulle pendici del monte S. Michele (altopiano carsico) tra il 21 e il 23 ott. 1915 fu ferito nel tentativo di soccorrere i militari colpiti giacenti allo scoperto, e per questo fu in seguito insignito con la medaglia d’argento al valor militare."
- ALT2: ... that Italian veneral disease experts like Giuseppe Mariani are traditionally known as doctors of dermosyphilopathy? Source: Gibson, Mary (1999), Prostitution and the State in Italy: 1860–1915, History of Crime and Criminal Justice (2nd ed.), Columbus: Ohio State University Press. The history of medicine, however, belies his words, for at midcentury knowledge about veneral disease was rudimentary. As the denomination of this branch of medicine as "dermosifilopatia" shows, these diseases were traditionally diagnosed and treated like skin infections.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/German Tarok
- Comment: Kindly don't add extraneous links to the hooks.
Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC).
- Re the original hook, and per The Holocaust, were there "extermination camps" in 1936? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 07:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough to prefer the other hooks. Leaving aside the German situation, Italy wasn't formally antisemitic until 1938. I left out the date from the hook and article because I assumed the otherwise trustworthy source had simply muffed that specific number. — LlywelynII 18:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
White-nosed saki
- ... that the white-nosed saki monkey (pictured) is the only species in the genus Chiropotes which has a brightly coloured nose? Source: Emmons, L. H. (1997). Neotropical Rainforest Mammals (2nd ed.). University of Chicago Press. ISBN 0-226-20719-6.
- Comment: I have added a lot of information to this article for an educational course and would love to have wiki editors/viewers check out the revised article.
5x expanded by Vikster28 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC).
- Hey there, I am unsure if the source provided is able to be checked without purchasing the book. This information was already included in the article prior to my expansion so assumed it would be correct. Only after submitting my DYK did I see that those revising the posts needed free access to the source. I attempted to make a new DYK entry but couldn't as I had submitted this one. Hoping this can still be accepted but let me know what I am able to do if not. I would love to have this newly updated article published on the main wiki page for everyone to check out as I am a new wiki creator and have worked hard on this article! Vikster28 (talk) 06:06, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Vikster28, welcome to Wikipedia!
- First thing: I moved your comment above for technical reasons, as you are supposed to use the "review or comment" button directly above your hook to reply to it (it's a technical thing and only applies in DYK, and it confused me as a newcomer as well). So yeah, click that thing and you'll be replying in the proper way, and the comment won't get lost accidentally ;)
- Second: Nope, sources don't actually need to be available only for a hook to pass review. I can't find the actual rule atm, but there's a special little icon reviewers can use to indicate that they can't access the source themselves, but trust the article editor enough to pass it. So for example, if you'd try to convince me that the book by Emmons ("Neotropical Rainforest Mammals") proves that spaghetti was discovered in Antarctica, I'd strongly doubt that and request you to procure the book. However, with a claim that sounds very reasonable and an otherwise splendid article, we Wikipedians trust in one another to not actively lie to hurt the project ^^
- Okay, so much for that. I'll be reviewing shortly, but one more thing: Please hang in there! A lot of student editors leave/disappear before the DYK can be approved, which is a shame especially with good articles. Just check back every few days if there's something to do still, it won't take that long :) --LordPeterII (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting: - There might be a better one
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Overall: Greatly expanded, went from Stub to B-Class, earwigs finds nothing. The claim in the lead section about the "pink nose", although somewhat obvious from looking at the picture, is actually not supported by the source cited – this needs to be rectified. And that also begs the question: Wouldn't this be an even better hook? Something about the white nose being in fact reddish. I'll check the article body in more detail still, but it looks solid. --LordPeterII (talk) 10:53, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- A few more observations about the article: Solid quality, you definitely spent some time digging up sources and expanding. But I'd still like to see some small adjustments, because anything appearing on the front page should be as polished as possible:
- The species is listed as vulnerable, but there's currently no explanation why, or whether there are protection efforts. This is no must-have, but a short section would be nice and could be easily compiled from e.g. this source, which has the interesting note that their tails are used as dusters.
- The main issue is the confusion on white nose (hair!) vs reddish-pink nose (skin!), which this source doesn't explain properly. There's an explanation in the lead section that dead specimens had lost the reddish hue and retained only their white facial hair, hence the ill-fitting name. But in the "Physical characteristics" this explanation is not given, and the claim that their nose might be white or red now confuses readers. This needs to be re-phrased to be crystal-clear (and sourced!) for the article to pass DYK.
- There are some instances of needless repetition, which isn't terrible and won't disqualify the article, but it reads clumsy. For example, "terra firma" (which sadly doesn't have its own article) is repeated thrice in a row. Likewise, "very few [means of] communication" is repeated needlessly.
- Statements that are poorly worded:
- "Both the female and male are considered a “medium-sized” species." The male and female are probably not different species, right? ;)
- "The two body parts which they require for feeding and movement is their tail and teeth." This reads weird, as they certainly use their legs to move as well (again, this source points out their quadrupedal movement); and on the other hand it is quite commonplace to use teeth for feeding. Don't get me wrong: Canine teeth are certainly extraordinary, and a tail that changes flexibility with age also. But I think you could change the sentence quoted above to better reflect why these two body parts are important.
- "... and possibly a small area east of Bolivia." Should that read "in eastern Bolivia"? Because to the east of Bolivia there's Brazil, which seems weird as it's already mentioned above. And in any case, to the east of some country is a very vague statement. I know it was in the article before you started, but with your knowledge you can probably tell what it's supposed to mean.
- Apart from that, splendid! The structure is solid, the amount of footnotes is commendable, and I love that you even made a pie chart for their diet. That's how a Wikipedia article should look like! I'm sure you'll easily fix what I nitpicked above, and this nomination will get approved :)
- --LordPeterII (talk) 18:00, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your extensive feedback and advice. Also, thank you for moving my initial comment. I wasn't sure where to add the comment since I initially pressed on "review or comment" and it didn't allow me to. Luckily now its working! (or at least i'm hoping i've now responded in the correct place, please let me know if not). I am planning to add some more to the article (e.g., on conservation which you have mentioned) so will definitely look into fixing up the article where required based on your suggestions. It really does help to have someone look over the article so I can improve on it where needed :) Once I manage to get this all done, should I be re-nominating the article or will this nomination remain active? Once again, Thanks for your help!
- Vikster28 (talk) 04:30, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Vikster28: Yep, your reply was done in the intended way now :)
- The nomination will stay in effect. I'll approve it once you've rectified the remaining issues.
- Oh, and as stated above, I encourage you to explore some other hook. I'd approve the first one if need be, but the white/red nose thing sounds way catchier to me. I'd give an alternate hook myself, but then I'd be barred from approving the nom. If you can come up with one, just add it in a comment and call it ALT1. --LordPeterII (talk) 09:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Great, that makes it easier. I will just let you know that (like i've stated in my previous comment) I will be adding a fair bit more information by the end of this month. This is the point at which I would also make the adjustments you have suggested. I wasn't sure if this would cause issues with the nomination considering I am further expanding the article and this may therefore create a need for more editing upon suggestion. Sorry about this, I hadn't previously considered waiting until I added everything. The only reason I haven't yet uploaded the extra information is because I am still working on completing it/editing it. And I'm not able to wait before doing this as I need to have it uploaded by a certain date as part of my education course. Do you know if this will affect my nomination at all? If I do need to resubmit because of this I completely understand as it was my error in getting too ahead of myself with the DYK nomination. Sorry for all the questions. I'm a new wiki editor so am still learning the ropes of how everything works. Truly do appreciate your help though! :)
- Vikster28 (talk) 08:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Yeah ordinarily you'd submit after you're finished with major editing. But dw, I can wait. DYK is one of the few areas where time is of any importance in Wikipedia; but even here we are just volunteers. Your real-life education course deadline is probably more critical ^^ If it's happening within the next month or two, just add the rest when you're ready. Then once you're actually satisfied, best ping me with this {{ping|LordPeterII}} in a comment here, so I get notified and don't miss it. Then I'll check the article again. --LordPeterII (talk) 21:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry, that was my bad getting too carried away. Will ping you when the article has been updated. Thanks! Vikster28 (talk) 02:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Vikster28, just checking in since it's now almost a month since we last spoke. What's the status of your editing? It's fine if you still need time, but I wanted to make sure you didn't forget about the nomination. --LordPeterII (talk) 18:45, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah sorry, that was my bad getting too carried away. Will ping you when the article has been updated. Thanks! Vikster28 (talk) 02:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Yeah ordinarily you'd submit after you're finished with major editing. But dw, I can wait. DYK is one of the few areas where time is of any importance in Wikipedia; but even here we are just volunteers. Your real-life education course deadline is probably more critical ^^ If it's happening within the next month or two, just add the rest when you're ready. Then once you're actually satisfied, best ping me with this {{ping|LordPeterII}} in a comment here, so I get notified and don't miss it. Then I'll check the article again. --LordPeterII (talk) 21:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 14
Fantasy cartography
... that only 34% of fantasy books have a fantasy map?Source: Stefan Ekman's book, Here Be Dragons: Exploring Fantasy Maps and Settings. pp. 22–23.
5x expanded by Twomatters (talk). Self-nominated at 00:53, 14 May 2022 (UTC).
- Reviewing FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 13:36, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- A really good effort with the expansion. But we need to cover a few points related to the article in general, and to the DYK requirements specifically. Please spend some time improving the references. This includes reducing primary sources and replacing with secondary sources (such as
Wonderdraft[9] and Inkarnate.[10]
). Make sure there are no unreferenced paragraphs (Fantasy cartography#Early history). If public domain content has been used then that could be mentioned using suitable templates (for example with reference toIn 1516... This map inspired artistic cartographers...
) The section on "Types" and "Cartographic software" could do with some more referencing. Please note that if you think you have adequately referenced something I've pointed out or overlooked please do comment below. - "Prevalence, features and characteristics" has some content in question answer format. At least the first question, on which the hook is based, "
How common is it for fantasy novels to contain at least one map? Of the two-hundred surveyed books, sixty-seven (34%) contained at least one map"
would be better in prose format. The tables have been copied as they are.- Hi User:FacetsOfNonStickPans, thanks for the feedback. I think I have covered off everything you raised. That, and my suggestion of an alternate hook, I hope you can reassess my nomination. Thanks! Twomatters (talk) 13:11, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- The image is of visuals from a copyrighted book; irrespective of the image quality; is the image adequately licensed? Please confirm this. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 14:33, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- I believe because the image is a new creative work, using Tolkien's maps in a collage-type way is it considered a new work. The photographer has released the license for the image he took. I think this means its all good! Twomatters (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is a derived work. The copyrighted maps (will be in copyright for another 20-odd years) are the main feature of the image, so there is no de minimis exception and the photographer does not have the right to release the maps under a free license. Images like this can be used on Wikipedia (compare Tolkien's maps) but only with a detailed non-free use ("fair use") rationale, and never on the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to explain that! Twomatters (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is a derived work. The copyrighted maps (will be in copyright for another 20-odd years) are the main feature of the image, so there is no de minimis exception and the photographer does not have the right to release the maps under a free license. Images like this can be used on Wikipedia (compare Tolkien's maps) but only with a detailed non-free use ("fair use") rationale, and never on the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- I believe because the image is a new creative work, using Tolkien's maps in a collage-type way is it considered a new work. The photographer has released the license for the image he took. I think this means its all good! Twomatters (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Another comment about the hook: the article says "34%" without giving a judgement whether that is surprisingly few or surprisingly many. The hook says "only 34%". Personally I'm surprised they are that common. I don't think "only 34%" is appropriate without sourcing and context. —Kusma (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah this is totally fair enough. I have since suggested an alternate hook below. Thanks User:Kusma Twomatters (talk) 13:09, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback! I'm going to continue to work on the elements you have brought up. Also... I have come up with a better DYK hook. Should I comment that here or create a new nomination? Twomatters (talk) 06:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that fantasy maps were used in war games by U.S Army code-breakers during the Cold War? Source: https://www.geographicus.com/P/AntiqueMap/ZendiaProblem-callimahos-1960
Twomatters (talk) 06:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- This one looks much better to me, but I'll leave it to FacetsOfNonStickPans to continue their review :) —Kusma (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- While the first hook could have been used, there are still issues with it which remain unaddressed. I am striking the first hook for clarity. Now that it is clear that the first image cannot be used with the DYK hook, the image has to be removed from the article as well for the same reason, that is it is derived work and not properly licensed.
- Done! Twomatters (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 is cited in the article and is interesting. The image is free of any known copyright restrictions, appears in the article, is relevant to the hook, and is clear enough. The caption needs a little tweaking, why is there a question mark? Maybe the caption could also be shortened. For example, instead of
The Central Part of The Province of Loreno
, you could simply write "Part of Loreno". Also try to limit the duplicity in links as far as possible (for example 'Cold War' doesn't need to be linked in both hook and caption); however there are no hard and fast rules about this. Check out the DYK archives for lots of examples.- Tweaked! Twomatters (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Since the word "declassified" is used in the hook caption, the corresponding sentence in the article should also have a citation-
These fantasy maps have now been declassified...
.- Done! Twomatters (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- In general, please make sure that all paragraphs contain at least one citation to a reliable source. Note that under Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines D4 "Wikipedia... is not considered a reliable source." FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 05:20, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've just added a whole bunch of citations. There's now very few section without citations. I will keep going if it's still insufficient. Twomatters (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- The article is nearly in shape as per dyk rules. With regard to your comment above related to citations... I think I should mention the basis on which citations/references are being referred to here. There are five eligibility criteria under the DYK rules. The third criteria, "Within policy" mentions a couple of things such as "Articles for DYK must conform to the core policies of Verifiability" and "Nominations should be rejected if an inspection reveals that they are not based on reliable sources... or have problems with the close paraphrasing or copyright violations of images and/or text." Editors also take into consideration Wikipedia:Citation overkill as well.
- Now coming back to this review, there is only one thing remaining which I had mentioned above "The tables have been copied as they are." That is to say this is a case of a copyright violation. Further the pages cited are 23, 25, 26 while you have only mentioned 22-23. Please address this. Since this aspect, how you present and paraphrase the content, is an editorial decision it is left to you. I am only making sure your editorial decisions follow DYK rules. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 12:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for this FacetsOfNonStickPans. I have now fixed up the citations for the tables. Just so I'm crystal clear, are you saying that I need to remove or change the tables before the article and DYK nomination is approved? Happy to do this if that is what is required. Thanks again, Twomatters (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- The tables have been copied as they are from the book; this would be a case of copyvio and this copyvio needs to be addressed.
- Let me ask Kusma to confirm. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- The use of the tables in the article appears to me to be copyright infringing (but there's no need to panic; I think we do not need to delete old revisions of the article, but we should not present it on the Main Page as it is). They are used as additional illustrative material and are not even subject to critical commentary. I would suggest to remove the tables and to summarise the main findings in two or three sentences of prose, which is better encyclopaedic style anyway. Given that we know little about the methodology how the books were selected, it is questionable to put so much weight on these findings anyway. Hope that helps. Ping FacetsOfNonStickPans, Twomatters. —Kusma (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Twomatters, gentle reminder. Thanks for the clarification Kusma. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 06:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies - have just been real busy lately irl. Copyright violating tables have now been removed and relevant data is now in prose form with citations to the research. Pinging FacetsOfNonStickPans, Kusma Twomatters (talk) 10:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Twomatters, gentle reminder. Thanks for the clarification Kusma. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 06:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The use of the tables in the article appears to me to be copyright infringing (but there's no need to panic; I think we do not need to delete old revisions of the article, but we should not present it on the Main Page as it is). They are used as additional illustrative material and are not even subject to critical commentary. I would suggest to remove the tables and to summarise the main findings in two or three sentences of prose, which is better encyclopaedic style anyway. Given that we know little about the methodology how the books were selected, it is questionable to put so much weight on these findings anyway. Hope that helps. Ping FacetsOfNonStickPans, Twomatters. —Kusma (talk) 12:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for this FacetsOfNonStickPans. I have now fixed up the citations for the tables. Just so I'm crystal clear, are you saying that I need to remove or change the tables before the article and DYK nomination is approved? Happy to do this if that is what is required. Thanks again, Twomatters (talk) 04:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've just added a whole bunch of citations. There's now very few section without citations. I will keep going if it's still insufficient. Twomatters (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 15
Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt
- ... that the 1979 Christian song "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" claims "Glory be to God on Earth"? Source: several
- Reviewed: Solar power in Turkey
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC).
- @Gerda Arendt:, a good hook could be made by saying that this song is part of Neues Geistliches Lied, to express the interests of young people better than traditional hymns. The introduction to this article states says that the hymn is NGL, but the main body does not say it clearly. I will be happy to finish this review for you tomorrow! Flibirigit (talk) 22:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Article was created on May 15, and nominated on May 22, therefore new enough. Length is adequate. No plagiarism issues detected. QPQ has been done. The "Text and theme" section contains multiple quotes. As per WP:DYKCRIT, a citation needs to appear directly at the end of any sentence which includes a quote. The sentence which supports ALT0 needs a citation directly at the end. ALT0 is reasonably interesting. I am open to other hooks being proposed as per above. Flibirigit (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: Perhaps this can work? ALT1 ... that the hymn "Ich lobe meinen Gott, der aus der Tiefe mich holt" is of a genre which aims to express the interests and ideas of young people better than traditional hymns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- That is a good hook about the genre, but not about this specific song. Sadly the title is too long for the translation "I praise my Lord who gets me out of the depths", in the sense of Psalm 130 (Out of the deep ...). I think "Glory to God on earth" - vs. the normal "Glory to God in the Highest" has some of the idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll work more on a usage section, and hopefully find a better thing to say. Later today or tomorow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Will look for the changes. Flibirigit (talk) 15:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll work more on a usage section, and hopefully find a better thing to say. Later today or tomorow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- That is a good hook about the genre, but not about this specific song. Sadly the title is too long for the translation "I praise my Lord who gets me out of the depths", in the sense of Psalm 130 (Out of the deep ...). I think "Glory to God on earth" - vs. the normal "Glory to God in the Highest" has some of the idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
West Bank Wall graffiti art
- ... that one Palestinian man criticized the beauty of the West Bank Wall graffiti art (example pictured), telling Banksy: "We don't want this wall to be beautiful. We hate it. Go home"? Source: Ball, Anna (2013). "Impossible Intimacies: Towards a Visual Politics of "Touch" at the Israeli-Palestinian Border". In A. Valassopoulos (ed.). Arab Cultural Studies: History, Politics and the Popular. Taylor & Francis. pp. 71–72. ISBN 978-1-317-98105-3. Retrieved 2022-05-15.
Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 22:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC).
- @Onceinawhile: Gasp! I remember fondly my AP lit final essay on A Window on the West Bank. Article is new enough and long enough, but I'd still technically assess it as a stub because it seems to be mostly a lead and a gallery instead of a summarizing lead and well-defined body. Also, I don't see why "Wall" should be capitalized in the title. Hook is cited and in the article, and the QPQ checks out. I'm concerned that the image isn't freely licensed, as Banksy has successfully sued for unauthorized use of his art. Nearly there; nice work! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Theleekycauldron: I'm glad to hear you like it. Sadly the Window on the West Bank has not survived well – this is the photo I managed to take of it a few years ago.
- On the title, I just moved it to lowercase wall, but I wonder if uppercase might be better. It currently looks like it refers to "wall graffiti" rather than "West Bank wall", and also it is inconsistent with Berlin Wall graffiti art. What do you think?
- On licensing, it is definitely a free image. The Banksy case you refer to was about trademark infringement, not copyright, and on the latter Israel has a very wide freedom of panorama (WikiCommons is clear on this - see Commons:COM:FOP Israel).
- Onceinawhile (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: might i suggest West Bank barrier graffiti art, then? I will point out that the constituent articles there are Berlin Wall and Israeli West Bank barrier. FOP rationale checks out. I unlinked Palestinian in the hook- the article will need to be destubified and a title settled on, and then we're good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi theleekycauldron, the wall title is used because the graffiti is only on the walled section. Wall is the common name but is not used for the article you linked to because the barrier as a whole is mostly fence, and that article is about the whole barrier. This article is only about the wall (there is no graffiti on the fence) so per WP:AT we use the more precise (and common) term.
- I will try to address your destubify point.
- Onceinawhile (talk) 20:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- On further reflection I have moved it back to the capital W wall, as ngrams is clear. I have also made clear at Israeli West Bank barrier that the West Bank Wall is a part of the barrier, not a synonym for it, and have added two sources at both articles which confirm this (Leuenberger and Eidelman). Onceinawhile (talk) 07:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: might i suggest West Bank barrier graffiti art, then? I will point out that the constituent articles there are Berlin Wall and Israeli West Bank barrier. FOP rationale checks out. I unlinked Palestinian in the hook- the article will need to be destubified and a title settled on, and then we're good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 16
Mental health in United States agricultural workers
- ... that agriculture ranks as one of the most stressful occupations and one that experiences high suicide rates?
Moved to mainspace by AgFF KC (talk). Nominated by User: John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) at 23:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC).
- Article doesn't mention factory farming - "ranching" seems somewhat euphemistic if included under that - and/or the extreme violence required also of abattoir workers; I understand it's a terrorist offence to record and display to people how their food is produced, has that got anything to do with it? Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- @AgFF KC and John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): New enough to mainspace and long enough. QPQ present.
- The hook fact is in a sentence ending in six inline citations (!!). The abstracts and available text support the conclusion.
- Which Australian drought is mentioned?
- The sentence beginning in
In addition, agricultural communities
must end in an inline citation to end the paragraph.
- Awaiting the Australian drought and inline citation fixes to pass this page. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Red-boxing
- ... that Red-boxing by American politicians to coordinate with Super PACs was called the “primary mechanism for corruption of federal campaigns in 2022” by the Campaign Legal Center? Source: “Adav Noti, the legal director of the watchdog group the Campaign Legal Center, said that red boxes were erasing the very barriers that were erected to make politicians feel less indebted to their biggest financial benefactors. Federal candidates can legally raise only $2,900 for a primary per donor; super PACs can receive donations of $1 million — or even more. “It’s a joke,” he said. “The coordination of super PACs and candidates is the primary mechanism for corruption of federal campaigns in 2022.”” The New York Times
Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 20:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC).
- @Thriley: The DYK Check tool reads the "Instances of Use" section as a list/table format, and not eligible in the word count. Therefore, the DYK Check says you only have 974 characters (152 words). If you look at WP:DYKCRIT (1.New b) it says, "Prose character count excludes wiki markup, templates, lists, tables, and references." I suggest you remove the left-hand side asterisks, and just redo that into prose paragraphs. — Maile (talk) 20:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Thriley to address this or the nomination will have to be rejected. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Maile66: The article is now 1500 characters not including the list. Sorry for the delay. Thriley (talk) 07:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 17
Gothic double
- ... that the doppelgänger motif in Gothic literature was inspired by supernatural figures in Celtic folklore such as the "fetch"? Source: Yeats, W. B. (2016). Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. In Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. Newburyport: Open Road Integrated Media, Inc, pp. 108
5x expanded by Snowdrop Fairy (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC).
- This is a very impressive expansion which makes for an interesting read. One minor quibble, you wrote "[t]he period from 1750 to 1830 is known as a “Gothic and Celtic revival” in which Irish, Scottish, and Welsh folklore became absorbed into British literature as a result of colonial expansion into these territories." This sounds a bit strange to my ears as the expansion (at least into Wales and Ireland) predates the revival by many centuries. I haven't checked how it's described in the source but maybe there is a way to make the connection clearer? Alaexis¿question? 06:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also, does the quote come from a review of the book Irish Folk Stories and Fairy Tales or from the book itself? Right now the review published in the Western Folklore journal is indicated as the source but I don't see any mention of fetches there. Alaexis¿question? 06:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your review! And thank you for the feedback, I'll edit that sentence to make it clearer. The quote does come from the actual book itself, I'll edit the reference to make it correct. Thank you again! Snowdrop Fairy (talk) 06:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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Overall: Alaexis¿question? 13:04, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Alaexis, Snowdrop Fairy, where does this nomination stand? There appear to have been issues with the hook citation, and many images have been added since the review that will have to be checked. What's left to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Snowdrop Fairy, could you update the citation? I really want to support the nomination and this is the only stumbling block. Alaexis¿question? 19:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Alaexis Apologies for the delay! I have edited the citation and made the section on the Gothic and Celtic revival clearer. Let me know if there are any other issues, and thank you for supporting my nomination, I really appreciate it. Snowdrop Fairy (talk) 01:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I'm a bit confused now. In the article itself the fact is sourced to Gothic: an illustrated history whereas in the hook the citation is to Fairy and Folk Tales of the Irish Peasantry. Which one is right? Which work makes the connection between fetches and the gothic double motif? Alaexis¿question? 05:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Enkeli-Elisa
- ... that the Enkeli-Elisa story about a 15-year-old girl who committed suicide because she had been bullied at school turned out to be a hoax, resulting in a police investigation of the author? Source: Enkeli-Elisan kirjoittajaa epäillään petoksesta, Turun Sanomat 24 July 2012. Accessed on 26 July 2012.
Created by JIP (talk). Self-nominated at 01:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC).
- Alt0a ... that the Enkeli-Elisa story about a 15-year-old girl who committed suicide because she had been bullied at school was investigated as a fraud by the police? Source: Enkeli-Elisan kirjoittajaa epäillään petoksesta, Turun Sanomat 24 July 2012. Accessed on 26 July 2012. TSventon (talk) 13:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- @JIP: do any of the sources definitively call the story a hoax? Given that fraud charges wouldn't stick, we should be careful how we use that about a BLP... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 05:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- None of the sources definitively call the story a hoax. However, it is clear that neither Elisa or her parents really existed as actual people, instead the story seems to be more like a dramatised novel. It might be based on real experiences but still the specific person called Elisa never existed, neither did her parents. Minttu Vettenterä was under investigation from the police suspected of fraud, but she was never actually convicted. It was apparently not her motive to gain financial profit by deceiving people. As the article says, the media should have been more critical of the sources. JIP | Talk 19:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @JIP: Hmmm. Could you walk me through how we can call it a hoax without any sources after the fact calling it one while staying afoul of WP:OR? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- We don't necessarily have to call it a hoax if a better term can be found. The point here seems to be that Elisa's story was first presented as a story about a real person but it later became known that she never really existed but was a dramatised character invented by Vettenterä. JIP | Talk 19:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing clear source support that she didn't exist? That could just be me, though... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have added an alternative that is supported by the reference and the article. Google translate says fraud rather than hoax. TSventon (talk) 13:20, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here is a link to Minttu Vettenterä's own blog page, latest updated in 2014, which plainly says: "Elisa, Miksu ja Riikka ovat Minttu Vettenterän luomia hahmoja, mutta jokainen saa itse määritellä miten todellisilta tapahtumat ja tunteet tuntuvat.", "Elisa, Miksu and Riikka are characters created by Minttu Vettenterä, but everyone is free to define for themselves how real the events and feelings feel." Also I have seen numerous online newspaper articles saying Elisa was fictional. JIP | Talk 19:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing clear source support that she didn't exist? That could just be me, though... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- We don't necessarily have to call it a hoax if a better term can be found. The point here seems to be that Elisa's story was first presented as a story about a real person but it later became known that she never really existed but was a dramatised character invented by Vettenterä. JIP | Talk 19:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @JIP: Hmmm. Could you walk me through how we can call it a hoax without any sources after the fact calling it one while staying afoul of WP:OR? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:36, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- None of the sources definitively call the story a hoax. However, it is clear that neither Elisa or her parents really existed as actual people, instead the story seems to be more like a dramatised novel. It might be based on real experiences but still the specific person called Elisa never existed, neither did her parents. Minttu Vettenterä was under investigation from the police suspected of fraud, but she was never actually convicted. It was apparently not her motive to gain financial profit by deceiving people. As the article says, the media should have been more critical of the sources. JIP | Talk 19:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 19
Diana Tishchenko
- ... that the Ukrainian violinist Diana Tishchenko, a Rising Star of the European Concert Hall Organisation in 2020/21, played Chausson's Poème and Skoryk's Melody at the Kulturpalast in Dresden in April? Source: several
- Reviewed: William Bracewell
- Comment: There's also YouTube of the performance.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:05, 26 May 2022 (UTC).
Climate change in Italy
... that Italy was the first country to make education on climate change compulsory, and actively is protecting future generations with an extensive renewable energy plan?Source: 1. 'Historic' vote means Italian state must now protect animals and ecosystems". euronews.green 2. Massimo Lombardini. Italy’s Energy and Climate Policies in the Post COVID-19 Recovery. 2021. Available at: https://www.ifri.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/memo_lombardini_italy_necp_in_an_european_context_fev_2021.pdf- ALT1: ... that Italy was the first country to make education on climate change compulsory?
- Comment: New to wiki and don't fully understand how to give the "source" for the hook. Sorry!
Created by Belindapr (talk), Manongouraud (talk), and Muninnkorp (talk). Nominated by Belindapr (talk) at 18:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC).
- Not a review, but do note you must link the article in question in the hook. This has not been done at present. And bold text should only be used for the article (or rarely, articles) nominated. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Added ALT1 and struck the original; the back half of the hook just seems promotional, and i think it's better to just focus on the first part. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:49, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Kaoru Genji
- ... that Kaoru Genji from The Tale of Genji by Murasaki Shikibu has been called the first anti-hero in literature? Source: Murasaki Shikibu (1977). The tale of Genji. Edward Seidensticker, Earl Tidwell (1st ed.). New York: Knopf. pp. I, xi. ISBN 0-394-48328-6. OCLC 2541047.
5x expanded by Ronaa22 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:22, 19 May 2022 (UTC).
- Article is a 5x expansion, started a week before the nomination. It is missing citations in several places, with several uncited paragraphs. This needs to be corrected. Hook fact is interesting and cited inline, though I will have to AGF on the offline source. Article appears to be written neutrally. QPQ is not needed as this is the user's first DYK nomination. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:04, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
@Muboshgu: Hello, I have fixed what you've indicated. Please have a look and let me know about any other issues. Thank you very much. Ronaa22 (talk) 06:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Hausman Baboe
- ... that Hausman Baboe, a colonial district chief of Kuala Kapuas, was fired due to his anti-colonial remarks? Source: [2]
"Tuduhan ini membuat Hausman Baboe menyadari bahwa tindakan yang dilakukan sangat berbahaya bagi kedudukannya sebagai pegawai Belanda, maka ketika dirinya dipecat dari jabatannya bukannya menjadi gentar, ia justru merasa mendapatkan kebebasan dalam bergerak. C.J. van Kempen selaku Resident Zuider-en Oosterafdeeling van Borneo mengeluarkan surat pemecatan kepada Hausman Baboe pada bulan Februari tahun 1922."
- ALT1: ... that Hausman Baboe, a Dayak journalist, was described by missionary record as "susceptible to communist ideas"? Source: [3]
"The mission felt as disturbed about a Christian doing politics with a Muslim as the state did about a district chief with anti-government sympathies. The mission placed him under a temporary ban from the communion table (siasat gereja) in that same year 1922. The reason was bigamy – he had married a Banjar Malay woman, a Muslim. He liked women. A photograph from the 1930s shows him wearing a dandyish white suit. But the mission history also added that he was ‘susceptible to communist ideas’"
- ALT2: ... that Hausman Baboe was the first Dayak to own a motorized vehicle in Banjarmasin? Source: [3]
"Hausmann Baboe’s moderation in the 1930s was partly due to his own mellowing. He must have been in his fifties by this time -- older than the nationalist leaders in Batavia. Moreover he had grown wealthy. His family today remember he was the first Dayak in Banjarmasin to own a motorcar, in which he drove to the movie theatre with his family."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Prawoto Mangkusasmito
- ALT1: ... that Hausman Baboe, a Dayak journalist, was described by missionary record as "susceptible to communist ideas"? Source: [3]
Created by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 00:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - There are some grammatical issues in the article that need to be cleaned up. For example, when mentioning events that occurred in a given year, you should say "In 1920" rather than "On 1920". I recommend that you look through the article for other grammatical errors.
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Nice work on this article. The first hook is the most interesting to me. (Note that I changed a spelling error, linked Kapuas Regency, and changed "chief district" to "district chief".) There is just one concern I had, which I mentioned above. Epicgenius (talk) 12:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, I shall adress these problems as soon as possible Nyanardsan (talk) 14:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Stotz, Karola; Griffiths, Paul E.; Knight, Rob (2004). "How biologists conceptualize genes: an empirical study". Studies in History and Philosophy of Science Part C: Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences. 35 (4): 647–673. doi:10.1016/j.shpsc.2004.09.005
- ^ Nurcahyani, Lisyawati (2019). Gagasan persatuan etnis Dayak: masa pergerakan nasional dan pembentukan Provinsi Kalimantan Tengah, 1905-1960. Pontianak: CV Media Jaya Abadi.
- ^ a b van Klinken, Gerry (2007-11-15). "Dayak Ethnogenesis and Conservative Politics in Indonesia's Outer Islands". Rochester, NY.
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Articles created/expanded on May 21
Franco-Greek defense agreement
- ... that in 2021 France and Greece signed a defense agreement, stipulating that in the event either country is attacked by a third party the other will come to their defense? Source: https://apnews.com/article/business-paris-athens-middle-east-turkey-a23fe5cd4f4f82aebfa25161d7252a7f
Created by Dainomite (talk). Self-nominated at 03:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New Enough:
- Long Enough: - Not long enough without quotations
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - Technical language
QPQ: - Not done
Overall: The article itself is off to a decent start. However, there are three issues with this nomination.
- The hook is quite lengthy and sounds somewhat technical. I would recommend "...
stipulatingstating thatin the eventif either country is attackedby a third party, the other will come totheirits defense?" - The article is only 1284 characters (of prose) long without the lengthy direct quotations of Article 2 and quotation of Turkey's announcement. It would be fine if the article reached 1500 with minor quotes (such as the Turkish announcement), but quoting the entirety of Article 2 is the only thing really bringing this article over 1500 at the moment.
- Based on your history with other DYK submissions, you are required to do a quid pro quo review, and I did not see one in your recent edit history or otherwise linked in this template.
Nmarshall25 (talk) 19:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, I like your recommended changes with the hook. I will work tonight on expanding the article to fit the size requirements. I used the "page size" link to the left (under Tools) which must have included those 2 quotes in the size. Oh shoot, I thought it was my 5th DYK. I'll work on getting a QPQ done soon. — dainomite 20:37, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Nmarshall25: I believe size requirements should be satisfied now. Just have the QPQ left to tackle. — dainomite 15:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Alt Hook
- ALT1: ... that in 2021 France and Greece signed a defense agreement, stating that if either country is attacked the other will come to its defense?
Review @Dainomite:
- Links to redirects Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Symbols for example "$" (use words) and date format for example "7 Oct 2021" (use full date) Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- "[the US] strongly supports Greece's role in creating stability in the region.” - non-standard quotation mark at the end Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Lead is an summary of information in the text, but here is a lot of information mentioned only in the lead especially this quote Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Where there is "publisher" in the references than "website"? You quite website. Reference 2 and 4 has bare link. Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- "(...) Macron sought to build an more autonomous defensive posture for Europe less reliant on U.S. protection" - shoudn't be "US"? Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not connected to Wikidata (it was connected by me). Eurohunter (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've taken some initiative to fix most of the formatting issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Both versions of this hook are dull. One would expect two countries reaching a defense agreement to agree to some sort of mutual defense provision like that. This is like saying that "... that water from the XXX River will wet your hands if you touch it?" Daniel Case (talk) 04:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 22
Auf dem Weg durch diese Nacht
- ... that the 2005 song "Auf dem Weg durch diese Nacht" (On the way through this night) from a collection of the same name was performed during an evensong of the same name at the Katholikentag? Source: several
- Reviewed: Adagio Hammerklavier
- Comment: I volunteered to participate but couldn't make it.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC).
Irving L. Branch
- ... that Irving L. Branch has the 'eighth-crappiest' military base school in the US named in his honor? Source: https://www.bakersfield.com/news/eighth-crappiest-military-base-school-gets-share-of-63-million/article_1c2454dc-942b-58f2-bf2f-df79bb5f5229.html
Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: I think "eighth-crappiest" needs to be in the prose, not just the source title. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's not a requirement for DYK, and I didn't think it rated a mention in the article body. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: doesn't WP:DYK#gen3a say that
The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article
? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:42, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: doesn't WP:DYK#gen3a say that
- It's not a requirement for DYK, and I didn't think it rated a mention in the article body. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:11, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 23
Canyon Kid's Corner
- ... that Canyon Kid's Corner in Sioux City, Iowa, was one of the two pioneers of children's programming in the state alongside The Magic Window? Source: "While the Magic Window and Canyon Kid were pioneers in Iowa children's programming, programs designed for children were a part of early television in eastern Iowa, as well." - Stein, Jeff (2004). Making Waves: The People and Places of Iowa Broadcasting. WDG Publishing. p. 45. ISBN 0-9718323-1-5.
Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:43, 23 May 2022 (UTC).
- Aside from adding a MOS:GEOCOMMA to the hook, I'm not going to review this one because I decided my time would be better used providing newspaper references in my breadbasket topic area. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sammi Bri I'm not sure why you had to make a comment about it. It sounds passive aggressive. SL93 (talk) 02:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie SL93 (talk) 02:13, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- It probably...was, tbh. I left as a note for myself as I'm trying to reduce the DYK backlog considerably and didn't want to wind up on this page again. I apologize, SL93. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:30, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie It sounded like you had a big issue with the article. I would like to know why if that is the case. SL93 (talk) 02:41, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I simply knew where I could be more impactful—by adding related references. I'm sorry if I came off as aggressive. That was not my intention. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie It's fine. I just never saw a comment phrased that way at DYK before. It did look like you were upset at the article for some reason and it is an article that I worked hard on. SL93 (talk) 02:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie By the way, do you want an author credit for adding to the article? SL93 (talk) 02:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- SL93, I'll leave that call to you. It wasn't that it was bad—it was that I knew I could bring more to it. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Sammi Brie I think that there are other DYK nominations of mine that can have more added, but they can be added on to anytime. I brought some articles to a higher rating including GA and a FA after they ran on DYK so I admit that I'm fine with you not adding a lot to the article. It isn't really an ownership issue - I just have plans for certain articles in the future that could be completely ruined. I was planning on expanding Joseph Eiboeck, which is at DYK, to GA status when I have more time for it. It didn't work out with Joseph Eiboeck because the reviewer significantly expanded it and barely any of the content is from me now. :(SL93 (talk) 04:16, 27 May 2022 (UTC)Sammi Brie While I do realize Wikipedia is a collaborative project, there is a 7 day limit and there is no requirement for a DYK article to be complete or almost complete. However, it can't be a stub. I know you're not being malicious or anything like that, but I'm confused on why someone would refuse to review an article just because it can be expanded more.SL93 (talk) 04:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)- I now understand the comments per Sammi's talk page. SL93 (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Full review needed. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - The article seems to sit between being about the TV show and being about the host? Do we really need information about the host's death 30 years after the show finished airing?
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting: - Hook is pretty boring.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Needs a better hook and content issues detailed above to be fixed. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic The death of the host part is fine because it relates back to the show and the show is what he is known for. The show is even listed in the title of the sources. The tribute was only held because he starred in the show. SL93 (talk) 02:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic I removed irrelevant content that was added by another editor. SL93 (talk) 02:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm still not buying it. Dustin Diamond was known for his part in Saved by the Bell but that article does not mention Diamond's death decades after the show. IMO his death would need to be tied to the TV show for this to be relevant. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic I just said how the tribute to him after his death is tied to the show. This situation is entirely the opposite. This article is about the show and not the actor and this actor has no notability outside the show. SL93 (talk) 02:55, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I read your comment - I just don't agree with it. His death 30 years after the show stopped airing does not tie his death to the show just because they mention the show in obituaries. If he died while it was airing (for example) and it had an effect on the show that would tie it together. His death and funeral are outside the scope of the article. There may be a way to reword this section to include some of the information but sentences like Henry had moved to Midland, Michigan, with his wife Karen in 2013 so that they could be near their son. are just completely irrelevant. I am not happy to approve this with the content as is or with this hook. You are welcome to request another reviewer. Vladimir.copic (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic I posted on the DYK talk page for more thoughts. SL93 (talk) 03:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- As for the hook, I already posted three alts. SL93 (talk) 03:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic I have cut parts from the section and retitled it. SL93 (talk) 03:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I read your comment - I just don't agree with it. His death 30 years after the show stopped airing does not tie his death to the show just because they mention the show in obituaries. If he died while it was airing (for example) and it had an effect on the show that would tie it together. His death and funeral are outside the scope of the article. There may be a way to reword this section to include some of the information but sentences like Henry had moved to Midland, Michigan, with his wife Karen in 2013 so that they could be near their son. are just completely irrelevant. I am not happy to approve this with the content as is or with this hook. You are welcome to request another reviewer. Vladimir.copic (talk) 03:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic I just said how the tribute to him after his death is tied to the show. This situation is entirely the opposite. This article is about the show and not the actor and this actor has no notability outside the show. SL93 (talk) 02:55, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm still not buying it. Dustin Diamond was known for his part in Saved by the Bell but that article does not mention Diamond's death decades after the show. IMO his death would need to be tied to the TV show for this to be relevant. Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that the host of Canyon Kid's Corner explained to children that he had a Brooklyn accent as a cowboy due to it coming "from the canyons created by the tall buildings in New York City"?
- ALT1a: ... that the host of Canyon Kid's Corner quipped that his Brooklyn accent as a cowboy came from "the canyons created by the tall buildings"?
- ALT2 ... that around 7,500 children appeared as guests on Canyon Kid's Corner in Sioux City, Iowa?
- ALT3 ... that the children's series Canyon Kid's Corner in Sioux City, Iowa, helped launch the career of musician Tommy Bolin? SL93 (talk) 03:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, some of this prose is... a little awkwardly fit, but I'd argue that as it currently stands, everything meets a minimum requirement for relevancy. And hey – if there's a lot of information about Henry that doesn't fit into the article, maybe he's notable (even as a one-trick pony) after all? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron I feel like I need examples or a coach on why it's awkwardly written. For much of my life, I could tell years later that I was lied to about things I did including what I wrote. SL93 (talk) 06:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, some of this prose is... a little awkwardly fit, but I'd argue that as it currently stands, everything meets a minimum requirement for relevancy. And hey – if there's a lot of information about Henry that doesn't fit into the article, maybe he's notable (even as a one-trick pony) after all? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Relevancy concerns have been met now although all information about the tribute could summed up in one sentence. The quote in that section is extremely confusing seeing as you haven't explained that Old Timer is a puppet. I've now made edits to fix this. You still need to provide sources for the new hooks above. After the way you have spat out the dummy about my review here and at the talk page (tagging me something like 6 times in an hour), I don't want to engage with you any further. Another reviewer can deal with your shenanigans. Vladimir.copic (talk) 06:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fine, but those hooks have been sourced the entire time. SL93 (talk) 06:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Added an ALT1a for a bit of punchiness theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I honestly don't want this to run anymore. SL93 (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like it's been bumpy, SL93, but at least we're almost there :) I wouldn't withdraw just yet, there'll be another reviewer along at some point. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I honestly don't want this to run anymore. SL93 (talk) 06:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Added an ALT1a for a bit of punchiness theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 24
Richard Peck (RAF officer)
- ... that Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck ensured the Royal Air Force ordered 50 de Havilland Mosquitos in 1940? Source: https://www.key.aero/article/far-better-we-thought
- ALT1: ... that Air Vice-Marshal Richard Peck prevented the de Havilland Mosquito from being cancelled in 1940, which turned out to be an extremely versatile warplane? Source: https://www.key.aero/article/far-better-we-thought
Created by Cagliost (talk). Self-nominated at 16:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC).
- The article is long enough and was new enough when nominated. The hook is 106 characters, so nice length, and is cited (behind a paywall, so AGF) . With only 2 DYK credits, QPQ is not applicable yet. The key issue is that the hook isn't interesting. A guy who's job it was to order military equipment ordered some military equipment? The hook needs to be re-written to show why his ordering the Mosquito was newsworthy. I can't read behind the paywall, but the hook should probably start off with something like, "despite the military being unsure of the value of the plane, ..." Once you've reworked the hook to show more context of why ordering the planes was controversial, ping me and I'll take another look. Onel5969 TT me 11:02, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to Cagliost. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've put the paywalled text here. I've expanded the article a little. Basically the aircraft was almost cancelled because it wasn't clear that it would be suitable for any purpose. Even its champion, Freeman, almost cancelled it, but Peck persuaded him otherwise. It turned out to be extremely versatile and was used until the end of the war.
Intestine-on-a-chip
- ... that an intestine-on-a-chip can model and mimic an actual organ? Source: Pimenta, Joana; Ribeiro, Ricardo; Almeida, Raquel; Costa, Pedro F.; da Silva, Marta A.; Pereira, Bruno (2022). "Organ-on-Chip Approaches for Intestinal 3D In Vitro Modeling". Cellular and Molecular Gastroenterology and Hepatology. 13 (2): 351–367. doi:10.1016/j.jcmgh.2021.08.015. ISSN 2352-345X. PMC 8688162. PMID 34454168.
Moved to mainspace by User167553210 (talk). Nominated by HenryTemplo (talk) at 10:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: The article was new enough at the time of nomination and seems long enough. It looks good but there are a few lines missing citations and I'm not sure about the tone/prose. It could probably use a little editing to be more neutral, right now it's very editorialized. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:20, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback! I'm not sure I'd be able to improve the article, being neither an expert on the subject nor having access to the sources, but I will see what I can do. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 06:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Clements twins
- ... that the Clements twins have an estimated revenue of almost US$6000 per Instagram post? Source: [22]
- ALT1: ... that the Clements twins were six months old during the first attempt to begin their modelling careers? Source: [23]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lego Masters (French TV series)
- Comment: The paragraph about criticism probably needs a neutrality check, since the info might be undue... and other stuff
Created by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 07:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC).
Schooling and the Struggle for Public Life
- ... that while Schooling and the Struggle for Public Life was praised by reviewers for its analysis of problems with education, it was criticized for its lack of detail?
- ALT1: ... that according to one reviewer, the problems that may have prompted the publication of Schooling and the Struggle for Public Life in the 1980s had "only gotten worse" by 2005?
- Reviewed: William West (botanist)
Created by Ezlev (talk). Self-nominated at 05:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC).
- @Ezlev: Compliments for working on such constructive topics. As of now I have not checked supporting source but if it supports then, I would propose one more ALT hook, on following lines. English is not my native so may be some one will need to help in c/e. Cheers Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Henry Giroux defines citizenship as the ongoing pursuit of empowerment, in his Schooling and the Struggle for Public Life?
- ALT3: ... that Schooling and the Struggle for Public Life defines citizenship as the ongoing pursuit of empowerment?
Articles created/expanded on May 25
The El Dorado
- ... that when the pastor of an African-American church bought the El Dorado, one newspaper wrote that "its occupants are white, and were white"? Source: Hicks, James L. (January 16, 1960). "Daddy Grace Dead- Millions Mourn: 'He Told Us He Was Going,' Followers Sav Gone To Another Kingdom Daddy Is Dead!". New York Amsterdam News. p. 1.
- ALT1: ... that the El Dorado became a New York City landmark because some tenants did not want the building's windows to be replaced? Source: Berger, Joseph (July 11, 1985). "New York Stock Exchange Among 6 Buildings Gaining Landmark Status". The New York Times. "The designation had been sought by a group of tenants who objected to a plan by the building's board of directors to replace the original casement windows, which are said to leak and cause water damage. Any designs for new windows would now have to be approved by the Landmarks Commission."
- ALT2: ... that a dispute over windows led to the El Dorado becoming a New York City landmark? Source: Berger, Joseph (July 11, 1985). "New York Stock Exchange Among 6 Buildings Gaining Landmark Status". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that one writer described the El Dorado as "one of the finest Art Deco structures" in New York City? Source: Ruttenbaum, Steven (1986). Mansions in the Clouds: The Skyscraper Palazzi of Emery Roth. Balsam Press. p. 144.
- ALT4: ... that the design of the El Dorado was intended to attract "new money" residents, as opposed to classical apartment buildings with "old money" tenants? Source: Ruttenbaum, Steven (1986). Mansions in the Clouds: The Skyscraper Palazzi of Emery Roth. Balsam Press. p. 144.
- Reviewed: Millie Hudson
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 13:31, 25 May 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: I'd be remiss if we didn't try for at least one pun on The Road to El Dorado, but I got nothin'. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:25, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Dijon Talton
... that Dijon Talton was part of Glee's glee club but never sang?- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward J. O’Donnell (military)
- Comment: completely new article from the one deleted seven years ago
Moved to mainspace by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 11:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC).
- New enough in mainspace and long enough. QPQ present. Hook checks out (only mentioning singing backup or not singing at all:
Heather Morris, Harry Shum Jr. and Dijon Talton are fantastic dancers, but as their roles on the show grow, we wonder if they'll get to perform anything but backup.
) and is interesting. Article has no textual issues and is decently sourced. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:43, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Since the article says Talton
never sang a solo on screen
in Glee, the hook is not adequately supported by the source, which is in any event far from ideal for this purpose. (While it seems unlikely that he did any background vocals in the recorded music, he could well have hit some notes in scenes when the glee club was fooling around; he does have recorded music credits elsewhere.) Further, the article has two bare URLs, which are not allowed at DYK. I'm glad to see an article about Talton, but more work is needed before this can be approved for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:08, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: If you have some wider knowledge of Talton that would supplement or add context to the sources, are there any hooks you'd suggest, as definitely accurate or more relevant to the subject? Kingsif (talk) 03:38, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Kingsif, I'm afraid I don't have wider knowledge, beyond general knowledge of Glee itself. Much of the "chorus" behind the solo singers was sung by studio/session vocalists, who are credited on the albums; certainly, that first season, it's unlikely that Morris, Shum, or Talton appeared on any of the pre-recorded songs when you compare those lists. However, as those lists do have errors (as noted in the articles), it's dangerous to use them as proof of any kind. I can't remember whether it was an interview with Shum or Talton where it was noted that the two never knew ahead of time whether they'd be in an episode or not. It's been over a decade, and while I thought that Talton's first line as Matt was in "Theatricality" (after the boys performed as KISS), the reviews don't mention it, and there's no way to back it up. (A comment on the Glee wiki says he had lines in both "Theatricality" and "Journey"/"Journey to Regionals", which confirms my memory of the former, and I know he also had at least one in "2009".) One possibility might be that Dijon appeared in most of Glee's first season and then not again until its final two episodes, in season six, though adequate sources may be hard to come by. (I checked the season and episode articles, and he started in episode 4, continued through episode 22 with a couple of misses in between, and then not again until the final episodes, 120 and 121. So not quite a 100 episode gap.) I can't think of anything else, though "catching" Tyra Banks is cute. It may be that this is one of those articles that doesn't provide a useful hook; that happened a number of times with Glee episode articles. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Since the article says Talton
Articles created/expanded on May 26
Brewer Hicklen
- ... that Brewer Hicklen (pictured) hosts an annual youth baseball camp in Alabama? Source: [24]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2020 World Seniors Championship
- Comment: This image is awesome.
Created by Muboshgu (talk) and Denniscabrams (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 22:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC).
- This nomination is 12 days old and no QPQ has been provided. Please do the QPQ promptly as per the RFC on excessively late supply of QPQ credits. Flibirigit (talk) 10:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Flibirigit my apologies, I forgot that I had not done one for this yet. I've started the above review. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. A full review of this nomination is needed. Flibirigit (talk) 10:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Flibirigit my apologies, I forgot that I had not done one for this yet. I've started the above review. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Eva Julius
- ... that Lady Eva Julius once called Girl Guiding the most important youth movement in the world? Source: "Praise for Guiding". Border Morning Mail. Sydney, Australia. 1945-05-26. p. 4.
Created by BJCHK (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 15:35, 28 May 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Hello BJCHK, and thanks for nominating this Evrik! The article is new enough, long enough and is sourced and neutral. It is plagiarism free and a QPQ is done. The hook is cited, and is based on a good quote, however, I think you need to add quotation marks to the hook. Also, there are two points in the article that need clarifying - they are where I've put superscript "by whom" and "citation needed". Sadly, the image isn't free to use, so I don't think it can be used on the DYK, as its only under a "fair use" license. If you can tidy those couple of things that would be great! Lajmmoore (talk) 15:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Dominic Keegan
- ... that Dominic Keegan decided to "go back and win another championship" for the Vanderbilt Commodores baseball team despite being selected in the 2021 Major League Baseball draft? Source: https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/college/vanderbilt/2022/04/14/dominic-keegan-12-facts-vanderbilt-baseball-catcher-infielder/7310668001/
- ALT1: ... that Dominic Keegan changed his commitment to Vanderbilt University after a removal of staff at Virginia Tech? Source: https://www.eagletribune.com/sports/local_sports/keegan-to-vandy/article_2d7638d4-fe85-53d3-bb04-2aea8ec2ab30.html
- Reviewed: (exempt)
Created by NotReallySoroka (talk). Self-nominated at 19:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC).
Les Hijabeuses
- ... that although FIFA allows women to play in hijab, the French Football Federation does not? Source: "The French football federation (FFF), football’s governing body in France, bans women from wearing the hijab in official club matches, as well as during international games. It is a rule that is out of step with football’s international governing body, Fifa, which lifted its hijab ban in 2014."
- Reviewed: N/A
- Comment: This is my third DYK--open to suggestions on other/better hooks.
Moved to mainspace by Alyo (talk). Self-nominated at 14:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: The hook as stated has a WP:EGG issue; I thought I would be directed to an article like Hijabi women in association football. @Alyo: is the organization credited with blocking the measure in the Sénat, or is it just that they lobbied against it and the measure failed for other reasons? If the former, that'd make a pretty good hook... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:42, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron Yeah, I was worried about that. To answer your question, while I'm sure the advocacy of LH helped bring attention to the issue, I don't think they're given credit for the proposed law failing (at the very least I don't have a source saying so). So I went for the boring safe hook that I just knew to be true. The other angles that I was thinking about were more like these:
- ALT1: ... that some women have left professional soccer because of the French Football Federation's ban on playing in hijab?
- ALT2: ... that a group of Muslim soccer players are challenging the French Football Federation's ban on playing in hijab in front of the Conseil d'État?
- Either seem better to you? Alyo (chat·edits) 20:21, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Haven't verified either, but ALT2 looks pretty good in terms of scope and interestingness. Nicely done :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! For the record: "Les Hijabeuses is a French collective fighting against the FFF ban to promote a more inclusive society in France ... Now the next step is to get the FFF to change its ruling. Marion Ogier, a lawyer working with Les Hijabeuses, says: “The French parliament decided against prohibiting the wearing of religious symbols during sports competitions but the decision did not lead to the FFF to review its rules. The Council of State (the highest court in France for administrative matters) is currently examining an appeal against the federation.” Ogier points out that the government is not responsible for the current ban – the FFF is. Les Hijabeuses expect a decision on the matter by the end of the year." Alyo (chat·edits) 20:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Haven't verified either, but ALT2 looks pretty good in terms of scope and interestingness. Nicely done :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 20:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- New enough, long enough, passes earwig, no image, no QPQ needed. I am approving Alt0, and not passing judgement on any other hook. --evrik (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- evrik
, it comes off as pretty passive-aggressive (i have no idea what your intentions are, but that's how it feels) to approve a hook[a] I object to your approving this hook without so much as engaging with the issue I raised with it. I'm quite happy to back off if you have a good reason (or really, any reason – and I'd have to imagine that you do), but my view is that the original hook has a WP:EGG issue simply because nothing in the hook relates to the organization at hand, only the cause they advocate for. To summarily not engage with that question implies that the reviewer has a special conferred power to ignore the objections of other users, and I really don't appreciate it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 21:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)- Passive aggressive? Seriously? No one had bothered to review the article. I happened to like the original hook. However, I didn't want to get into a big todo about it. I mean, no one had done anything on this since May 26, so I figured, I'll approve the hook I like and if the reviewer wants to look at the others, so be it. You might believe that the original hook has a WP:EGG issue, but I didn't... and if it did ... it's not a really big egg. Also, just because you propose alternate hooks, doesn't mean I have to seek you out to get your permission to perform a review. The proposed alternates were "boring." Let's file this under, No good deed goes unpunished. --evrik (talk) 22:09, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- evrik
- --evrik (talk) 22:09, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- My issue isn't that you didn't "seek out my permission", or even that you chose "not to pass judgement" on ALTs I guessed you thought were boring (although that's its own can of worms) – it's that by offering a tick (twice now), you've decided that your desire to avoid a "todo" can be avoided by simply pretending I don't exist. I don't need you to agree with me, and it might very well be that you end up ticking this hook – but you can't simply ignore supervote a hook onto the main page without an explanation as to why your judgement should be valued above someone else's.
- If you'd said "hey leek, I don't think this is an EGG issue, and here's why", I'd probably have said "well, I disagree, but I'm not gonna escalate/stand in your way if no one else objects". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 22:23, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I think you are presuming too much. You are also making up new rules. This isn't a supervote. I didn't reject any hook, but referred the one I liked. I left it open for the promoter to decide.@Alyo: I'm sorry you had to go through this. --evrik (talk) 23:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I did say that the issue wasn't about the hooks you didn't tick, but the one you did, so at least we agree on that. Promoters also cannot decide the hook if you only approve one – promoters can't take hooks unapproved by reviewers into the preps. If that was your intent, it wasn't at all clear from "I approve alt0 only". theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, I think you are presuming too much. You are also making up new rules. This isn't a supervote. I didn't reject any hook, but referred the one I liked. I left it open for the promoter to decide.@Alyo: I'm sorry you had to go through this. --evrik (talk) 23:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm fairly new to DYK, so I don't feel like I know enough to make statements about how DYK does or doesn't normally work. That said, I did think that leeky's comment had merit, so for what my opinion is worth as the nom I'm happy to wait for another reviewer to at least give us
a tiebreaker voteconsensus one way or the other? Alyo (chat·edits) 22:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)- @Theleekycauldron: Why don't you go ahead and review this? --evrik (talk) 23:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think I should – I consider myself a bit too involved to tick either of the hooks I approve of, or to not-approve the original. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Why don't you go ahead and review this? --evrik (talk) 23:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Notes
- ^ I deleted this before they responded, but they restored it via edit conflict.
Articles created/expanded on May 27
Lorenzo Passerini
- ... that Lorenzo Passerini, who has conducted several operas in Sydney, led Giordano's Fedora, with scenes in three countries, with temperament, sensitivity and dramatic approach? Source: [25] for the review + others
- Reviewed: One Night with Regine
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC).
Arming teachers
- ... that arming teachers with guns is a proposal to stop school shootings? Source: https://doi.org/10.2105/AJPH.2018.304477
- ALT1: ... that some schools in the United States arm teachers with guns to stop school shootings? Source: Shah, Nirvi (15 February 2013). "Armed Educators a Reality in Some Schools, Debated in Others". Education Week.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Squaring the circle
Created by Bluerasberry (talk). Self-nominated at 18:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC).
- The image I used has been the subject of controversy on the talk page. Regardless, this DYK nomination could proceed without the image if necessary. Bluerasberry (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- That image is going nowhere near the main page --Guerillero Parlez Moi 22:35, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- A drive-by comment from me... I fear that this could turn out a lot like the very messy Did you know nominations/2022 Hijab row in Karnataka nomination I handled some time back. The article is in a very hot-button topic, has very high activity and pageviews, is leading to disputes (the big orange banners at the top are an automatic obstacle to DYK listing per WP:DYKSG#D6), has two [citation needed] tags, and there are multiple talk page discussions with activity in the last 7 days. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: I can resolve the warning banners but I cannot cool the talk page. Under what circumstances is a lively talk page a barrier to DYK? Bluerasberry (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Another drive-by comment: although the article itself looks neutrally written, I wonder about the hook. The wording "a proposal to stop stop school shootings" is written in a way that suggests that there is reason to believe that arming teachers would stop school shootings. However, the article contains no evidence to support this suggestion. The caption for the image ("teacher protects") is also quite non-neutral; one could easily read the same image as "teacher threatens students with gun", reflecting more accurately the actual incidents described in the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- The "globalize" problem template is removed - special:diff/1092348842/1093279561 Bluerasberry (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Şevket Yorulmaz
- ... that Şevket Yorulmaz scored a total of 99 goals in 173 matches whilst playing for Beşiktaş? Source: Beşiktaş official website, Tezkan, Mehmet. "'Beşikten taş gibi futbola'". No. 14 May 1991. Cumhuriyet. p. 15.
5x expanded by GGT (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: This is my first review, but everything looks good here to me - per Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide, I am asking for a second opinion, as well as any criticism if I did anything horribly horribly wrong. casualdejekyll 00:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @casualdejekyll I don't know if this matters, but the hook is backed up by a primary source. I'm not able to look into the sources for the article because of language barriers and inaccessibility, so it might be worth double checking with a user that is of a Turkish language background. Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 07:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I find it interesting that all the active Turkish speaking users are Azerbaijani. Hmm... Just going through the TR-3 and TR-4 cats.. um, perhaps @Guardian of the Divine RabbiT or Toghrul R: could help? casualdejekyll 16:48, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the Turkish wikipedia was blocked for some time in Turkey (may still be) Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 19:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Casualdejekyll and Haiiya: if the sources are in a foreign language, reviewers usually either use machine translation or just assume good faith on it. Waiting for others with the command of the language isn't ideal practice as they may not be readily available. I can provide a translation of the sentence in the source if you'd like? The source is a primary one but this is as reliable as it gets as it would be using the club's official statistics. --GGT (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @GGT @Casualdejekyll Alright, I'll assume good faith, but I still don't approve of the hook as the 99 goals part is backed up by a primary source.. So if we go with
- ALT0a ... that Şevket Yorulmaz was the top goalscorer of Beşiktaş during the 1950s, especially in the İstanbul derbies? Source: [26]
- as it appears in the lead section of the article, I think we'll be good. Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 21:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- This might be the most colons I've typed in a row onwiki before. Anyway, now I'm concerned about the whole "interesting" part of the hook.. I don't have any better ideas though. Looks.. okay? I'll chew on it for a bit. Can we really expect the average reader to know what an Ístanbul derby is? I sure don't. casualdejekyll 23:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- as it appears in the lead section of the article, I think we'll be good. Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 21:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Casualdejekyll and Haiiya: if the sources are in a foreign language, reviewers usually either use machine translation or just assume good faith on it. Waiting for others with the command of the language isn't ideal practice as they may not be readily available. I can provide a translation of the sentence in the source if you'd like? The source is a primary one but this is as reliable as it gets as it would be using the club's official statistics. --GGT (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure the Turkish wikipedia was blocked for some time in Turkey (may still be) Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 19:52, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- I find it interesting that all the active Turkish speaking users are Azerbaijani. Hmm... Just going through the TR-3 and TR-4 cats.. um, perhaps @Guardian of the Divine RabbiT or Toghrul R: could help? casualdejekyll 16:48, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @casualdejekyll I don't know if this matters, but the hook is backed up by a primary source. I'm not able to look into the sources for the article because of language barriers and inaccessibility, so it might be worth double checking with a user that is of a Turkish language background. Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 07:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
@Haiiya: A couple of points for future reference - you're unable to approve a hook that you've proposed yourself so would need to call in another reviewer for that (but you can still approve the hook that I proposed). Also please don't strike through proposed hooks unless the nominator retracts them. I don't really like the "ALT0a" hook and would strongly prefer the original as it's much more interesting. The source being primary shouldn't really be having a bearing here (it's certainly OK by the guidelines) but I've supplied a news article (offline, I'm afraid) to support the hook in addition. --GGT (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- @GGT: Well....I'd not rather not go ahead with the original if possible per WP:RSPRIMARY. While primary sources are fine, imo they need be with secondary sources as well. I honestly think that Alt0a is more impressive because It says he was the top scorer, instead of 99 goals. Non soccer fans (like me) don't really know how to interpret that. Regarding approving my hook, I think if @Casualdejekyll: approves it, we'll be fine. If the Istanbul Derbies part is nagging you, just exclude it. Thank you for the tips about strikethrough though, I apologize. Haiiya (talk) (contribs) 19:34, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- 99 is a big number. casualdejekyll 22:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Erik Johansson (artist)
- ... that Erik Johansson's surrealist images are made up of hundreds of photographic elements? Source: Kerr, Euan (25 January 2019). "Johansson's surreal images delight, provoke thoughts". MPR News.
Created by Jane6592 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC).
- formatted Victuallers (talk) 10:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Won't do a full review, but I will ask the reviewer to keep an eye out for promotional issues. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:29, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 28
Bonnie Tan, Goldwin Monteverde
- ... that 2021 NCAA champion Bonnie Tan served as assistant to 2021 UAAP champion Goldwin Monteverde in 1991? Source: "Monteverde, on his second year handling the elementary and high school Team B squads for the school, got Tan as his assistant"
- ALT1: ... that 2021 UAAP champion Goldwin Monteverde had 2021 NCAA champion Bonnie Tan as his assistant in 1991?
- Comment: QPQ to come later. Goldwin Monteverde was created by User:YssaLang.
5x expanded by Howard the Duck (talk) and YssaLang (talk). Nominated by Howard the Duck (talk) at 22:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC).
- Reviewing -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:06, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- QPQ Template:Did you know nominations/Google Wallet. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I only see one QPQ and this is a two-article nomination.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
General eligibility:
- New Enough: - Bonnie Tan is only about 2.5 x in the 7 days prior to May 30. It is not currently a GA. This article seems to have been created in article space. Not particularly close. Nominated 19 days after creation and 13 days after 5x expansion date.
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Invalid status "[[File:Symbo...n.svg|16px]]" - use one of "y", "?", "maybe", "no" or "again" General eligibility:
- New Enough: - Goldwin Monteverde only 1.5x in the 7 days prior to 5/30. Not a GA and created in article space. This one was nominated 8 days after creation and would be long enough with one days grace.
- Long Enough:
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- Cited:
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QPQ: - only one for 2 articles
Invalid status "[[File:Symbo...n.svg|16px]]" - use one of "y", "?", "maybe", "no" or "again"
I would like to give you a chance to explain why this belated nomination was presented here. Is there a precedence for this much slack being given regarding eligibility? Others may chime in on this issue.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:20, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Bonnie Tan was created on May 11 with ~215 characters. In May 19, I expanded it to ~648 characters. In May 28, I expanded it to ~1669 characters, over the 1.5k character limit , and over the 5x expansion from May 11. I then nominated it on May 30. This was nominated after 2 days.
- Goldwin Monteverde was created on May 22 with ~1225 characters. In May 28-31 I expanded it to ~1817 characters, over the 1.5k limit. I then nominated it on May 30. (May 31st edit was for categorization). This was nominated after 8 days, and that would be okay for me if this article is not bolded, but remains in the hook. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- As I understand WP:DYKCRIT, the 5x expansion must occur in the 7 days leading up to the nomination. So I don't think either article qualifies by strict interpretation. I am not sure how much lenience is given here.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- You have said you would be OK to go forward with Goldwin unbolded, but the one that is too far out of bounds is Bonnie Tan. I could let Goldwin slide by a day I think, but Bonnie Tan has to be unbolded. Please present a new Alternate hook with just Goldwin bolded and let's go forward with that. You will have to get Bonnie Tan promoted at GAC to make it eligible for DYK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:10, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I thought Tan's article gets into WP:DYKCRIT than Monteverde's. The current blurb should suffice as Monteverde is still boldfaced there, although it can be rewritten to when he is mentioned first... Howard the Duck (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Which letter A-F in new do you think Tan qualifies under?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Honestly, I figured this was less than 1,500 characters when I saw this (I didn't create these two articles), the target was that, considering I expanded it to 1.5k+ characters on May 27 from the stub-quality prior to that. I conceivably could've expanded it to 3.3k+ characters (~648 characters on May 27 -> 3.3k characters on May 30, but I thought 1.5k was the target. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes present an ALT that is "rewritten" so I can verify length and such.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Added ALT1 above. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Which letter A-F in new do you think Tan qualifies under?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I thought Tan's article gets into WP:DYKCRIT than Monteverde's. The current blurb should suffice as Monteverde is still boldfaced there, although it can be rewritten to when he is mentioned first... Howard the Duck (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Democratic backsliding in the United States
- ... that the Supreme Court has been cited as a vector of democratic backsliding in the United States? Source: Huq 2022
- ALT1: ... that the United States has only been a democracy since the mid-twentieth century, and is now backsliding? Source: Jardina & Mickey 2022
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Judita Nagyová
Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:18, 28 May 2022 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
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- Interesting:
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Overall: Within the spirit of the 7-day newness rule. Very well-sourced to academic literature, which is good given the controversial topic. No copyright concerns. I think we could justifiably explore some other possible hooks, such as:
- ALT2 ... that the white-ethnic identity politics of the U.S. Republican Party have been cited as a vector of democratic backsliding in the United States?
- ALT3 ... that white Americans with high levels of racial prejudice are more likely to support democratic backsliding? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:08, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- HI Skdb, thanks for reviewing the article. However, I'm not sure about ALT2 and ALT3. For ALT2, the sources would support "cause" more than "vector". The reason why Huq identifies the Supreme Court as a vector rather than a cause if voting rights (eg) were consistently upheld on the state level than federal protections might not be necessary to prevent democratic backsliding. In terms of ALT3, the studies measure support for democratic/authoritarian norms rather than democratic backsliding per se. (t · c) buidhe 19:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: IMHO subjective topics be attributed to some one/ source in the sentence itself or have some system of star mark and @ end of main page DYK mention likely hood of subjectivity and suggestion to refer to related attributions in the article. I am not limiting my suggestion for this article only Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 08:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- For a claim that seems bound to spark outrage, the name of the cited scholar should probably be attributed inline. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:24, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- A few notes about the article: when speaking of "partisan gerrymandering of electoral districts", I think that not mentioning Maryland, New York or Illinois is an omission. We may find sources to find out whether Democrats have been gerrymandering to get unfair advantage alone or as a reaction to the Republicans' gerrymandering (which was definitely made on a larger scale), fearing an imbalance in the representation of the federal House, but Democrats aren't blameless in that respect. A mention of Rucho v. Common Cause is also in order wrt Roberts Court jurisprudence.
- I also feel that, if possible, it's better to supplement the "has been cited" with more than one author. The nom has done a good job assembling sources but I think we need more of these in order to link judicial activism in general with democratic backsliding, or the Supreme Court specifically. This shouldn't be really a hard task given that criticism of the Supreme Court is on the rise. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:32, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is not just Huq making this argument with regard to the hook fact, a similar argument is made by Kaufman & Haggard 2018 and also here and probably elsewhere. As for partisan gerrymandering, if there is any RS that covers Democratic gerrymandering as a form of backsliding it could be included but I'm not aware of any such source. (t · c) buidhe 18:10, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 29
Öffnet eure Tore
- ... that "Öffnet eure Tore" is a 1810 hymn in German written by Christoph Bernhard Verspoell for the Feast of the Ascension, based on Psalm 24? Source: several
- Reviewed: Enterprise (Omaha)
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 1
Bias response teams
- ...
that bias response teams are part of a second wave of campus speech regulation in the United States? Source: BRTs were part of the “second wave” of campus speech regulation
Created by FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk). Self-nominated at 12:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: The Fire appears to be wholly partisan and unreliable, and definitely should not be used as a source for the hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:45, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, I should say that this piece is, since I haven't taken in FIRE as a whole. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:47, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Striking ALT0. Looking for an alternative. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 07:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, would you reconsider the cut off ALT0 now that I have added another inline citation for it which can be read along with the FIRE cite, and partially supports the FIRE content used with regard to the hook? Please see the first line for the section '#Background and context' and the section cite Miller et al. 2018 with the quote parameter/field reading "... flurry of scholarship in student affairs in the 1990s followed judicial rebuke of colleges and universities that created rigid campus speech codes in the 1980s and early 1990s [...] Since campus speech codes began to be struck down..."
- Either way I think it may be better to shift to a new ALT, such as below:
- ALT1
... that bias response teams are not thought police?Source: Claims that bias response teams function as the thought police on campuses are false (Inside Higher Ed) - ALT1.1
... that bias response teams are not Orwellian?
- ALT1
- FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk)
- We aren't posting opinion-derived hooks as DYKs (I mean, we won't post hooks sourced to opinion pieces); besides, you've made the matter worse because you can't trump one opinion piece with another one you personally prefer, as you did in the criticism section (it's a clear violation of neutral point of view, whatever my opinion on the article subject). In particular, saying in WP-voice: "we have opinions 1,2,3,4,...,15, but THIS PARTICULAR PIECE says/explains they are bullshit" is not the way to go. If you have opinion pieces that say that the critical point of view is exaggerated or relies on falsehoods, you may show the debate as "proponents (name) say XYZ, opponents (name) say ABC/disagree with proponent's X, arguing that...", in proportion to the weight of the argument. But this version is untenable. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 13:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki; thank you for this explanation.
- ALT2... that reports to bias response systems in American universities have included an incident of insults shouted from a car, denial of leave for a cultural holiday and a drawing in the snow? Source: Please see section "#Reporting examples" for sources to back up the hook.
- I do have some doubts that the hook now picks up routine news. However, I will leave this to the discretion of the validity of the hook to the reviewer. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 10:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki; thank you for this explanation.
- We aren't posting opinion-derived hooks as DYKs (I mean, we won't post hooks sourced to opinion pieces); besides, you've made the matter worse because you can't trump one opinion piece with another one you personally prefer, as you did in the criticism section (it's a clear violation of neutral point of view, whatever my opinion on the article subject). In particular, saying in WP-voice: "we have opinions 1,2,3,4,...,15, but THIS PARTICULAR PIECE says/explains they are bullshit" is not the way to go. If you have opinion pieces that say that the critical point of view is exaggerated or relies on falsehoods, you may show the debate as "proponents (name) say XYZ, opponents (name) say ABC/disagree with proponent's X, arguing that...", in proportion to the weight of the argument. But this version is untenable. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 13:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Striking ALT0. Looking for an alternative. FacetsOfNonStickPans (talk) 07:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 2
Erwin Böhme
- ... that flying ace Erwin Böhme was haunted for life by his killing his best friend? Source: Franks, Giblin, p. 17: "It had been a complete accident but the memory of his friend and leader falling was to haunt him for the rest of his life."
- Reviewed: James F. Kelley
- Comment: One of the many misfortunes of warfare is that you may kill your friend, as well as your enemy.
Created by Georgejdorner (talk). Self-nominated at 00:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC).
- alt1... that Germany's leading flying ace was accidentally killed by his best friend Erwin Böhme?
- alt2 ... that Erwin Böhme came under the command of Germany's Red Baron after he had accidentally killed another of Germany's leading flying aces?
- Its a fine article with lots of refs. Its tone isnt always encyclopedic and can read like a novel description of a hero. Is it possible to rephrase the hook to lose "rest of his life"? Two issues: a) one was that the "rest of his life" was a very short affair and b) we have no evidence that he was haunted apart from one commentator saying (guessing?) he was. Surely the fact that he killed his best friend is hooky enough? - we too can guess that he felt bad about it. I have suggested two alts but happy to see them rephrased. Victuallers (talk) 14:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is no reason to withdraw the true statement that Erwin Böhme regretted his friend's death until his own death. I can supply several more sources to that effect, so Erwin Böhme's regret was widely known. ALT1 removes the mystery from my proposed hook, to leave a bland and less-hooky version that will draw fewer page views. ALT2 is not strictly true. Richthofen flew with Boelcke and Böhme before and during the accident that killed Boelcke, as well as afterwards.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is no doubt that he regretted it. That wasnt my point. There is quite a bit of literary license in the article to my eyes which I guess may come from sources. Alt0 "his killing his friend" could be more fluent. I have amended alt2 but I think another reviewer may find it easier, so I will step back from this review if you would like. Victuallers (talk) 09:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Never mind. I am being over-finicky. Your hooks are valid, though lacking mystery. I'll leave the choice of hook to the DYK volunteer.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- On second thought, ALT2 isn't half bad. It would certainly do.Georgejdorner (talk) 22:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Never mind. I am being over-finicky. Your hooks are valid, though lacking mystery. I'll leave the choice of hook to the DYK volunteer.Georgejdorner (talk) 20:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- There is no doubt that he regretted it. That wasnt my point. There is quite a bit of literary license in the article to my eyes which I guess may come from sources. Alt0 "his killing his friend" could be more fluent. I have amended alt2 but I think another reviewer may find it easier, so I will step back from this review if you would like. Victuallers (talk) 09:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Ezo flying squirrel
- ... that the Ezo flying squirrel (pictured) can glide over 160 ft (49 m)? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232676054 (p. 153)
- Comment:
Nominating now, but shall expand further over the next day or so; please wait before reviewing, thank you.Now ready for review, thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Created by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self-nominated at 17:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC).
- @Maculosae tegmine lyncis: Earwig and I were surprised to find a 0% similarity in this large article - well done. The hook is reffed and so is the article. Its neutral and well written and gleaming with detail. I went to check the image and that threw up a question - as the same picture is used to illustrate the European flying squirrel on the German Wikipedia. Could this be explained/resolved? I would suggest also that the image be made more portrait as the equirrel is cute and DYK pictures are usually taller or equal to their width. Thank you Victuallers (talk) 13:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and thank you for the "gleaming" comment; have switched the image with a cropped version (height=width) as suggested; re the (uncropped) image's use in Europäisches Gleithörnchen, that is apparently an article about Pteromys volans at species level, the equivalent (and linked) to enwiki's Siberian flying squirrel, whereas this article is strictly about the subspecies Pteromys volans orii, which is endemic to Hokkaido (and (as such) is the subject of lots of, in particular, Japanese literature in its own right); thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
2020 World Seniors Championship
- ... that live broadcasts of the deciding frame of the 2020 World Seniors Championship were replaced by golf highlights? Source: https://snookerhq.com/2020/08/22/jimmy-white-wins-2020-world-seniors-championship/
5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 08:25, 2 June 2022 (UTC).
- Article is a 5x expansion and is sourced throughout. Hook fact is interesting enough and cited inline. I have a question about it though, Lee Vilenski. The article says earlier that the championship was aired on BBC, then the sentence supporting the hook says BBC Red Button. Can you clarify that for me as a yankee? BBC is more than one channel, I know. Was that the only BBC channel that was airing it? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 3
Kai Bumann
- ... that the German conductor Kai Bumann began his tenure as musical director of the Warsaw Chamber Opera with Verdi's Falstaff and toured with the company to Japan twice? Source: several
- Reviewed: List of songs recorded by Kyla
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:14, 9 June 2022 (UTC).
Faith Cabin Library at Seneca Junior College
- ... that Faith Cabin Library at Seneca Junior College is also called the "Oberlin Unit" because of the donations of books by the students of Oberlin College? Source: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/118996460 -known as the Oberlin Unit because it was largely the result of the interest and efforts of students at Oberlin College, Oberlin, Ohio https://willieleebuffington.cic.sc.edu/sample-page/documents/libraries-in-cabins/ -- Faculty members and students dug up enough books for him to open 'the Oberlin unit of the library chain at Seneca, `S. C.
- Comment: original article with picture I took in 2013 that is used in my Seneca Institute -Seneca Junior College article.
Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self-nominated at 23:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC).
Liu Zhaohua
- ... that Liu Zhaohua was one of China's most notorious drug lords for producing and trafficking over 18 tonnes of methamphetamine?
Source1: https://www.scmp.com/article/692604/notorious-drug-kingpin-executed-traffickingSource2: http://en.people.cn/200606/28/eng20060628_278013.html
Created by Imcdc (talk). Self-nominated at 17:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC).
- Even though the person is deceased and thus BLP doesn't apply, I'm really not sure if the hook proposed is a good idea. "Notorious" isn't mentioned in the article (only in one of the sources) and is subjective anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Liu Zhaohua was a Chinese drug lord who produced and trafficked over 18 tonnes of methamphetamine?
- @Narutolovehinata5: Hi, I have created a more neutral sounding hook as an alternative -Imcdc (talk) 02:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:. I think you misunderstand. notorious means "famous or well known, typically for some bad quality or deed." So when the authorities have you tried, convicted and executed then I think nearly everyone would say that you are a) well known and b) did a bad deed and this is in no way subjective... and Wikipedia would not care if you were living ... this is a notorious person. It doesn't matter if the word is actally used. Editors are required to paraphrase. Victuallers (talk) 13:20, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Harry Stein (communist)
... that Australian communist Harry Stein (pictured) organised the first Australian Jazz Convention? Source: Sparrow, Jeff (20 June 2012). "A short history of Communist jazz". Overland. Retrieved 3 June 2022.- ALT1: ... that Australian communist Harry Stein (pictured) was personally invited by Prime Minister Nguyễn Cao Kỳ to tour South Vietnam? Source: "Vietnam meeting". Broadcaster. 1967-05-02. Retrieved 2022-06-03 – via Trove. / ""Lock up Holt, Throw away Ky": The Visit to Australia of Prime Minister Ky, 1967". Labour History. Liverpool University Press (109): 55. 2015. doi:10.5263/labourhistory.109.0055. ISSN 0023-6942.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nakodaji
- Comment:
I probably have a strong preference for ALT1. Should ALT0 be chosen, then the caption might need to be changed.Update: I've withdrawn ALT0 as I think ALT1 is really strong.
Created by Vladimir.copic (talk). Self-nominated at 06:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC).
- Comment: Title of article being cited should be in bold. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 02:07, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- It already is? Vladimir.copic (talk) 02:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Murder of Joanne Witt
- ... that in June 2009, a teenage girl and her adult boyfriend stabbed her mother to death when she objected to their relationship? Source: "Witt was murdered because she had objected to their relationship as Tylar was only 14, while Colver was 19."
- ALT1: ... that a 14-year-old girl tried to pass off her 19-year-old boyfriend as gay ... and they killed her mother when she found out the truth? Source: "Tylar assured her mother that Colver was gay and their relationship was more like that of a brother and sister."
- Comment: My first article!
Created by Just Another Cringy Username (talk). Self-nominated at 04:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 4
Missa brevis in C (Brixi)
- ... that the Missa brevis in C with trumpets and strings, composed by František Xaver Brixi for the Prague Cathedral in the 18th century, was first published in 2004? Source: several
- Reviewed: Wilbert E. Longfellow
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
- The article was nominated on time and a QPQ has been done. The article is also long enough and new enough and is free from close paraphrasing. As all the sources are in German I am assuming good faith here. The hook fact is interesting as it's unusual for an 18th-century composition to be officially published so late. However, I do have some concerns. Firstly, there is no mention of the composition being written in the 18th century in the article. While the article states that Brixi was choir director in the 1700s (or the 18th century), it doesn't explicitly state that the piece was composed at that time. Secondly, the article states that the piece was first published in 2004; however, it also states that the piece was already being widely distributed even before then. Those apparent contradictions will need to be rectified before the nomination can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sadly, we don't know when he composed the work. I am sure that he composed it between birth and death, and both fall into the 18th century. The early copies were manuscripts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- That would be synthesis and thus would be unsuitable for hook support purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Should we call another reviewer. How is it synthesis that he can't compose besides his lifetime? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It would be synthesis to say that he composed the work for the Prague Cathedral in the 18th century. Given that it's a hook fact, it needs an explicit mention in the article and a reference to back it up. Saying that he could only compose when he was alive would not count as a proper reference. Theoretically (although unlikely), he could have composed the work when he wasn't affiliated with the Cathedral; this is why an explicit mention in the article (along with a relevant reference) is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- You mean we have to make the hook more complicated, for example
- ALT1: ... that František Xaver Brixi, responsible for church music at the Prague Cathedral, composed the Missa brevis in C with trumpets and strings in the 18th century, but it was first printed in 2004?
- No other position is mentioned in his career, but as you like it. The cathedral is only mentioned to give the mostly unknown composer a position, - it makes a difference whether he worked at a notable large place or some village church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:09, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- The hook is getting warmer, but it's still not totally accurate. Firstly, the article still says "published" rather than "printed". Secondly, the article doesn't explicitly mention that it was written in the 18th century, it is only implied by Brixi only living within the 18th century. Finally, I'm still not sure if "printed" is the right word here when referring to the 2004 release. It is mentioned in the article that, despite only being officially published in 2004, the piece had already circulated widely before then. There's no mention of how exactly this happened (it may or may not have been handwritten or printed), but in any case "printed" doesn't seem to be the proper term. Maybe "officially published" or "officially released" may be the more accurate term here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I know of no rule that a wording (printed vs. published) has to be the same in article and hook, but here you go.
- ALT1a: ... that František Xaver Brixi, responsible for church music at the Prague Cathedral in the 18th century, composed the Missa brevis in C with trumpets and strings, but it was first published in 2004? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1a: ... that František Xaver Brixi, responsible for church music at the Prague Cathedral from 1759 to 1771, composed the Missa brevis in C with trumpets and strings, but it was first published in 2004? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I'd rewrite it as something like "... that Prague Cathedral choir director František Xaver Brixi composed the Missa brevis in C for trumpet and strings in the 18th century, though it was not officially released until 2004?". It flows better in my opinion. As for the "rule", it's not actually a hard rule, but in practice reviewers want the hook to either match or at least be close enough to the article content. There have been cases in the past where hooks had to be pulled due to inconsistencies. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- He was also kapellmeister (which at the time meant leader of the chapel music, conducting and managing), not only choir director (I added that, sorry.) I am no friend of four words before the real thing comes, but that may be due to my little English. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I'd rewrite it as something like "... that Prague Cathedral choir director František Xaver Brixi composed the Missa brevis in C for trumpet and strings in the 18th century, though it was not officially released until 2004?". It flows better in my opinion. As for the "rule", it's not actually a hard rule, but in practice reviewers want the hook to either match or at least be close enough to the article content. There have been cases in the past where hooks had to be pulled due to inconsistencies. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:11, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The hook is getting warmer, but it's still not totally accurate. Firstly, the article still says "published" rather than "printed". Secondly, the article doesn't explicitly mention that it was written in the 18th century, it is only implied by Brixi only living within the 18th century. Finally, I'm still not sure if "printed" is the right word here when referring to the 2004 release. It is mentioned in the article that, despite only being officially published in 2004, the piece had already circulated widely before then. There's no mention of how exactly this happened (it may or may not have been handwritten or printed), but in any case "printed" doesn't seem to be the proper term. Maybe "officially published" or "officially released" may be the more accurate term here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It would be synthesis to say that he composed the work for the Prague Cathedral in the 18th century. Given that it's a hook fact, it needs an explicit mention in the article and a reference to back it up. Saying that he could only compose when he was alive would not count as a proper reference. Theoretically (although unlikely), he could have composed the work when he wasn't affiliated with the Cathedral; this is why an explicit mention in the article (along with a relevant reference) is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Should we call another reviewer. How is it synthesis that he can't compose besides his lifetime? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- That would be synthesis and thus would be unsuitable for hook support purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt: I take it there's no way you'd accept a hook that didn't detail the composer's role at the cathedral at all? It seems a little too difficult to nail down for a 200-character hook that's not about the composer. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 02:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Mass in C major is about the most common thing to write, a short mass in the most common key, Mozart alone wrote a couple. If this was a composer people knew - if this was by Mozart - I'd do without, and the work compares as the article says. But Brixi who for his period was influential - at a major cathedral where he arrived young - is not known. That a piece is published late is nothing specific to this composition, - from the 1970, historically informed practice brought to light thousands of such works. I'd rather drop that part but can imagine the response ;) - If so little is known (such as the exact decade at least), why not educate a bit? It's a lovely work, come listen on Sunday, and there will be a concerto for two trumpets by Vivaldi, also a well-known composer of the period. Sadly, to put the loveliness in 200 chars is more difficult than the late discovery, or the position of the composer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- How about ALT2 ... that the Missa brevis in C for trumpets and strings, composed by Prague Cathedral choir director František Xaver Brixi in the 18th century, was not officially published until 2004? I used "choir director" in the hook because it's the translation given for "Regens chori" in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer. It's not wrong. You know that I usually say first what's the topic at the beginning, - I just find in this case Missa brevis in C, trumpets and strings all too unspecific. There are many throughout the centuries. Kapellmeister (music director) is the more important position to mention, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
John Yelland
- ... that John Yelland was insulted by Admiral Hyde Parker's offer of a position aboard his flagship? Source: *Hore, Peter (2015). Nelson's Band of Brothers: Lives and Memorials. Barnsley.: Seaforth Publishing. p. 99. ISBN 9781848327795.
Moved to mainspace by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 08:08, 4 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 5
Chris (Friday the 13th)
- ... that Chris of Friday the 13th Part III (1982) was conceptualized after actress Amy Steel declined to reprise her role as Ginny from the prior film? Source: [1]
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Improved to Good Article status by The Baudelaire Fortune (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 7 June 2022 (UTC).
References
- ^ Farrands, Daniel (dir.) (2013). "Part III". Crystal Lake Memories: The Complete History of Friday the 13th (Documentary). RLJ Entertainment.
Sylke Haverkorn
- ... that former Dutch rugby union player Sylke Haverkorn served as head coach of the Turkey women's national team before she was tasked with the same position at her country's women's national team? Source: "In 2015 werd Sylke Haverkorn rugby speelster van het jaar. We kunnen haar inmiddels beschouwen als dé ambassadrice van de rugby sport.", "In april 2019 werd Haverkorn aangesteld als bondscoach 7’s van de nationale damesrugbyploeg van Turkije.", "In september 2019 werd Haverkorn aangesteld als bondscoach damesrugby bij Rugby Nederland. Haverkorn werd verantwoordelijk voor het traject van de damessenioren 15’s & 7’s en de dames U-18 15’s & 7’s." (in Dutch) [27]
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 15:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC).
- Did one obvious spell correction to the proposed hook, from 'rasked' to → 'tasked'. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Made corrections to reflect information provided in the quoted source. Narkova (talk) 01:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The source you have quoted states that Haverkorn was appointed the coach of the Turkey women's national rugby sevens team. The team she coached play rugby sevens, which is a form of rugby union. Rugby union is distinct from rugby league. This page on the Turkish Rugby League Association's website lists Julien Treu as the coach of the Turkey women's national rugby league team in all three of their matches played in 2019. Narkova (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Book of Common Prayer (1845 illuminated version)
- ... that Owen Jones's elaborately ornamented Book of Common Prayer pointed to the direction that books in general were to follow in the Victorian Age? Source: [28]
- Reviewed:
Created by Uriel1022 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:48, 6 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 6
Six-Bid Solo
- ... that the American card game of Six-Bid Solo, sometimes called Salt Lake Solo, originated in the south German game of Tapp? Source: Dummett, Michael (1980). The Game of Tarot. London: Duckworth.p. 569 ISBN 0715610147, _ (1924). Hoyle's Standard Games. Cincinnati: USPC, pp. 185-186 and https://www.pagat.com/aceten/solo.html#six-bid.
- Reviewed: to follow
Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC).
Sea of Tranquility (novel)
- ... that Olive Llewellyn, a character in the novel Sea of Tranquility, has been called a stand-in for Emily St. John Mandel, the novel's author? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/books/review/sea-of-tranquility-emily-st-john-mandel.html
- ALT1: ... that a reviewer of Sea of Tranquility has argued that Emily St. John Mandel has described her own experience of the COVID-19 pandemic, through the eyes of Olive Llewellyn, a character of this book? Source: https://brooklynrail.org/2022/04/books/Emily-St-John-Mandels-Sea-of-Tranquility
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is the last of my five "free" nominations. I am - of course - open for different hook ideas! Many thanks in advance for reviewing!
Created by WatkynBassett (talk). Self-nominated at 11:03, 12 June 2022 (UTC).
Pipaluk Freuchen
- ... that Greenlandic author Pipaluk Freuchen was praised for the "unrelenting realism" in her first book, where a child kills a polar bear? Source: Quote is from: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nWHZAAAAMAAJ&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA15&dq=Pipaluk+Freuchen&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Pipaluk%20Freuchen&f=false (citation 14) Plot details in: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/a/pipaluk-freuchen/eskimo-boy-2/
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 11:51, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: I'm not completely sold on the sourcing. Much of the sourcing only gives passing mentions of Pipaluk with the focus on her father or is a book review giving me some concerns about WP:SYNTH as well as notability. Non-English sourcing is accepted in good faith but I worry about this source which is published by Books on Demand - a vanity publisher. I really like the hook so hopefully this can be fixed up. Vladimir.copic (talk) 01:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Vladimir.copic, thanks for your comments, I'm away at a conference for the next few days, so I won't have time to come back to them until the end of the week. Looking forward to working through them. Thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 05:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Florida Right To Clean Water
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that Orange County, Florida was the location of the first county charter amendment in the United States to provide a legal basis to protect the waters within its boundaries and the amendment passed with a margin of 89.2 percent?Sources: Hightower, Jim, ‘’Give nature a seat at the governing table’’, The Hightower Lowdown, January 5, 2022; and, Hudak, Stephen, Orange voters approve charter changes for clean water, Split Oak, Orlando Sentinel, November 4, 2020- Reviewed:
Created by 83d40m (talk). Self-nominated at 11:30, 8 June 2022 (UTC).
- adding an alt :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 18:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
ALT0a: ... that Florida's Orange County was the first in the country to charter a right to clean water?
Note by 83d40m: This alternate suggestion misstates this amendment to the existing county charter by the voters. This was not a county taking action to "charter a right" I propose this as a better alternative:
- ALT0b: ... that in Orange County, Florida, a margin of 89.2 percent of voters passed the first county charter amendment in the United States to provide a legal basis to protect the waters within its boundaries? Sources: Hightower, Jim, ‘’Give nature a seat at the governing table’’, The Hightower Lowdown, January 5, 2022; and, Hudak, Stephen, Orange voters approve charter changes for clean water, Split Oak, Orlando Sentinel, November 4, 2020 _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 23:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, 83d40m – my issue with the hooks as worded is that they're simply too wordy. That, of course, doesn't overrule accuracy, but if you could find your way to the punchier hook I can't seem to write, that would be appreciated :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:53, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron - Understandable, thanks for replying and advising, am happy to work on making it a better DYK. How about taking out the amazing percentage of the vote (that may be seen at the article), sticking to the amended charter, and shortening that?:
- ALT0c: ... that Florida voters passed the first county charter amendment in the USA to provide a legal basis to protect its waters? Sources: Hightower, Jim, ‘’Give nature a seat at the governing table’’, The Hightower Lowdown, January 5, 2022 _ _ _ _ 83d40m (talk) 09:44, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, 83d40m – my issue with the hooks as worded is that they're simply too wordy. That, of course, doesn't overrule accuracy, but if you could find your way to the punchier hook I can't seem to write, that would be appreciated :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:53, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Neutral: - The phrase "measures of the type Florida voters have repeatedly supported, but often have seen circumvented by legislators" could use more neutral language, e.g. "measures of the type that Florida voters have repeatedly supported, but legislators have not enacted". Also to claim "Local newspapers throughout the state are publishing articles, columns, and letters to the editor" I think you need more than one supporting citation. I would encourage you to add more factual and less opinionated sources when possible (cf. here and here), except when specifically discussing reactions.
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Overall: ALT0b is 200 characters and ALT0c is 120, so both of those are acceptable length. The others have been struck. @83d40m: Some work on sourcing is needed: see feedback above. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Ellaisa Marquis
- ... that Ellaisa Marquis has been called "Saint Lucia's marquis player when it comes to women's football"? Source: St Lucia Star (29 June 2019), p. 22.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Barclay (bookbinder)
- Comment: Article expansion began on 6 June 2022.
5x expanded by Cielquiparle (talk), David Eppstein (talk), and MonFrontieres (talk). Article created by MbahGondrong (talk). Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk) at 10:44, 8 June 2022 (UTC).
- "Marquis player" doesn't even make sense...they meant "marquee" but apparently didn't know these were different words. Repeating this vocabulary error on WP would be embarrassing. JoelleJay (talk) 16:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback! Will propose additional hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Is it a vocabulary error or a deliberate pun? Good faith would suggest the latter. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Possibly differences in cross-cultural interpretation(s) as well, but I've given it some thought, and the whole point of DYK hooks is that they don't give you all the information and are often quirky. So ALT1 leans in to the word that jumps out. ("Wait...is that right? I need to find out what's going on...")
- ALT1: ... that Ellaisa Marquis has been called the "marquis player" of women's football in Saint Lucia?
- Thanks for the feedback! Will propose additional hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Religious education in Kerala
- ... that teenage girl, a Madrasa student, Mashida P. V. went on stage instead of her parents to receive her award? Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/thiruvananthapuram/kerala-muslim-scholar-scolds-organisers-inviting-girl-stage-7909725/
- ALT1: ... that according to M. T. Abdulla Musliyar, awardee girls and women in Puthur, Karnataka enjoyed their award distribution function from behind the seclusion of a curtain? Source: https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2022/may/15/samastha-divided-over-appearance-of-women-in-public-2453664.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elvera Britto
- Comment: DYKs are helpful in bringing out complexities and surprises in the world. English is not my native language please do support in appropriate dyk and article copyedit. Thanks and warm regards
Created by Bookku (talk). Self-nominated at 10:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC).
- comment @Bookku: This isn't about the language, its about the content. The article is titled "Religious education in Kerala".... an important subject. Wikipedia articles and DYK hooks usually start with the article's title quoted in bold Religious education in Kerala and the articles then go on to quickly explain what "Religious education in Kerala" is and why it is important to learn about (ie be on Wikipedia). Your article and the hook above do not mention "Religious education in Kerala" in bold and the first paragraph discusses lots of related stuff but nothing about "Religious education in Kerala". This needs fixing. This is not a review. The article needs this fixing before it could be reviewed. My advice is that you note that DYK articles need to be at least 1500 characters. I suggest that you target small articles while you get to understand what is required. Small articles need smaller corrections. Victuallers (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
@Victuallers: Thanks for your valuable inputs. Frankly enough while selecting title "Religious education in Kerala" there was bit of miscalculation on my side. Till the last moment I thought I would be able to import some part of religious education in Kerala related content –specially Christian and Hindu religious education– from the article Education in Kerala and I had positive hope I would get some sourcing from Google scholar, but sourcing in the Education in Kerala is much weaker than my expectation and I could find latest sources for year 2022 on Google scholar. So it seems such expansion would need further digging of sources and that will take it's own time.
One solution can be to rename present title Religious education in Kerala to ' Madrasa education in Kerala ', but I am not sure. What would you suggest?
Thanks and warm regards Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 02:35, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would suggest either narrowing this article to the single event of gender discrimination, or to actually write a quality broad overview that indeed covers religious education in Kerala. I've commented here too[29].VR talk 06:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
@Vice regent: Though I am not sure relevant controversy can be treated as coat–track as such, but if other users too think split be a better option I am unlikely to contest a split request. (Renaming of the article to 'Madrasa education in Kerala' is also open to discussion so inputs for that too are welcome). .
Secondly unified article as of now is helping in adding kind of semblance of neutrality, since present unified article mentions some positive aspects of Samastha at the outset, those details otherwise not likely to be considered as relevant in a split article if we decide to split gender discrimination part in another article, and indirectly those benefits may be lost for Samastha. So rather than making hurry take some time to make your mind because split can be given at any time that won't be a big deal. Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 07:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
Remember the Name (Ed Sheeran song)
- ... that Ed Sheeran wrote "Remember the Name" as a homage to the "cheekier songs" on early Eminem albums? Source: BBC News
- ALT1: ... that Ed Sheeran thought collaborating with Eminem and 50 Cent on the song "Remember the Name" proved his detractors' claims that he could not rap did not matter? Source: BBC News
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/R2K: The Concert
Improved to Good Article status by MaranoFan (talk) and MarioSoulTruthFan (talk). Nominated by MaranoFan (talk) at 10:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC).
Kwaku Ohene-Frempong
- ... that Kwaku Ohene-Frempong, an expert in sickle cell disease, decided to devote his life to the study of the disease after his newborn son was diagnosed with it while he was in medical school? Source: “ Soon after his first child, Kwame, was born on May 13, 1972, Dr. Kwaku Ohene-Frempong discovered that the boy had a fatal genetic disease.
“I was holding Kwame, and he came upstairs with tears in his eyes,” Dr. Ohene-Frempong’s wife, Janet Ohene-Frempong, said in an interview, recalling the moment her husband broke the news. “He said, ‘Our son, Kwame, has sickle cell disease.’ He knew what that meant.” Sickle cell can result in searing pain, organ damage, strokes, susceptibility to infections and premature death.
Dr. Ohene-Frempong, a medical student at Yale at the time, then called his mother at their family home in Ghana. “God is telling you something,” she told him. The message, she said, was to use his medical training to help combat the disease. And that is what he did “until he drew his last breath,” Ms. Ohene-Frempong said.
“The most important thing that happened to us is Kwame’s birth,” she added. “It changed the trajectory of our lives and of hundreds and hundreds of people around the world. All the work he did — every bit of it — he did because of Kwame.”” The New York Times
5x expanded by Thriley (talk) and Spencer (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 03:23, 6 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 7
Articles created/expanded on June 8
Douglas Bradburn
- ... that since 2018 Douglas Bradburn has been the President and CEO at George Washington's Mount Vernon, in Virginia?
Source: George Washington's Mount Vernon Ladies Association and scholarly research center
Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 02:20, 15 June 2022 (UTC).
Erasmus Schöfer
- ... that Erasmus Schöfer (pictured) was a chronicler of resistance in Germany in his main work, a tetralogy of novels based on recent history from the protests of 1968 up to German reunification? Source: several
- Reviewed: Everywhere We Go (ballet)
Created by Thriley (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk)at 15:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC).
Marguerite Vaillant-Couturier
- ... that French soprano Marguerite Vaillant-Couturier created the role of Micaëla in the world premiere of Lecocq's Le coeur et la main (pictured) in Paris in 1882? Source: several
- Reviewed: George Mann Niedecken
Created by Ipigott (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 14:53, 13 June 2022 (UTC).
Maizbhandari
- ... that the Maizbhandari order of Sufism in Bangladesh is each year host to the fifth largest gathering of Muslims in the world? Source: Raj, Selva J.; Harman, William P., eds. (2006). "In the Company of Pirs: Making Vows, Receiving Favors at Bangladeshi Sufi Shrines (6)". Dealing with Deities: The Ritual Vow in South Asia. SUNY Press. p. 95. ISBN 9780791467084.
- ALT1: ... that the tradition of spiritual songs associated with the Maizbhandari order of Sufism is one of one the largest genres of popular songs in Bengal? Source: Harder, H. (2011). Sufism and Saint Veneration in Contemporary Bangladesh: The Maijbhandaris of Chittagong (1st ed.). Routledge. doi:10.4324/9780203831809. ISBN 9781136831898.
- Reviewed: n/a - no QPQ as fewer than 5 DYKs
5x expanded by Iskandar323 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:58, 9 June 2022 (UTC).
Athanasius Safar
- ... that Athanasius Safar, a Syriac Catholic bishop from the Ottoman Empire, collected 46,000 Spanish dollars in the New World before his arrest in 1694? Source: Heyberger, Bernard (2018). "Migration of the Middle Eastern Christians and European Protection: A Long History". Middle Eastern Christians and Europe: Historical Legacies and Present Challenges. LIT Verlag Münster. p. 26. ISBN 978-3-643-91023-3.
Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 8 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 9
Emma Reaney
- ... that Emma Reaney is the only Notre Dame Fighting Irish swimmer to win an NCAA championship? Source: https://und.com/roster/emma-reaney/
- ALT1: ... that Emma Reaney is the only Notre Dame Fighting Irish athlete to be an American recordholder while a student? Source: https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/emma-reaney-takes-us-behind-scenes-world-short-course-championships-video/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/When Jews Were Funny
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 14:01, 11 June 2022 (UTC).
Pabna Mental Hospital
- ... that Mental Hospital, Pabna authority had to pay Rs. 6 lakhs to Anukulchandra Chakravarty in order to build its hospital building on his land? Source: RTV Online Prothom Alo
- Reviewed:
Created by Mehediabedin (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC).
- I'm not a fan of the photo, because most of the hospital itself is hidden behind the palms. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
@Szmenderowiecki: Then we can remove the photo from nomination. Mehedi Abedin 13:01, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Ann Klein (politician)
- ... that Ann Klein was the first woman to run for governor of New Jersey? Source: The Daily Record
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk) and DaffodilOcean (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 03:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC).
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Overall: Article and hook are all good, all it needs is a qpq :) BuySomeApples (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 10
1916 Pioneer Exhibition Game
- ... that an exhibition match of Australian rules football was contested in London on 28 October 1916 between two teams of elite footballers also serving in the First AIF? Source: http://purl.slwa.wa.gov.au/slwa_b1874692_13.pdf?agree Pioneer Exhibition Game Australian Football: in aid of British and French Red Cross Societies: 3rd Australian Division v. Australian Training Units at Queen's Club, West Kensington, on Saturday, October 28th, 1916, at 3pm, Wightman & Co., (London), 1916.
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Lindsay658 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:23, 15 June 2022 (UTC).
- @Lindsay658: Passerby comment and not a reviewer, wanted to ping you as there is no subject linked in this nomination. Congrats on the GA though! Adog (Talk・Cont) 22:26, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Adog: Thanks for alerting me to the omission. Now adjusted. Lindsay658 (talk) 01:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Mackenzie Fierceton
- ... that after Mackenzie Fierceton's mother was arrested and charged with abusing her, she was accused of staging the incident so she could get into an Ivy League school? Source: "There were rumors that Mackenzie’s bruises were self-inflicted, that she had thrown herself down the stairs to get attention. Some people said that she had been inspired by the movie 'Gone Girl,' about a woman who stages her own murder ... Once, at the airport, Smith ran into another Whitfield parent, who commented that “Mackenzie wanted to go to an Ivy League school, and this was her way in.'", "How an Ivy League School Turned Against A Student", The New Yorker; April 4, 2022.
- ALT1: ... that Mackenzie Fierceton believes her mother or her family leaked the information that led to her withdrawal from the Rhodes Scholarship she had been awarded? Source: "It referred to childhood pictures—enclosed in a twenty-two-page letter written to the Rhodes Trust, in mid-December, by an anonymous sender who displayed a great deal of familiarity with Mackenzie’s childhood—that showed Mackenzie engaging in 'typical upper middle-class childhood activities,' like horseback riding and going to the beach.", The New Yorker. "' And how much confidence do you have that that anonymous complainer was Carrie, your biological mother?' 'You know, I honestly don’t know. My understanding is there were two anonymous emails. One of them, to me, felt pretty clear that it was probably from someone in my biological family, because it had photos of me; it had very specific information that very few people would have — and I don’t think many people would have random childhood photos of me.'" Deconstructed podcast, The Intercept; April 16, 2022
- ALT2: ... that in a lawsuit Mackenzie Fierceton filed against Penn, she accuses the university of casting doubt on her allegations of child abuse by her mother to discredit her testimony in another lawsuit? Source: "Summons and Verified Complaint", pp. 9–13, Fierceton v. Winkelstein et al; December 21, 2021
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/History of the Jews in Innsbruck
Moved to mainspace by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 06:14, 11 June 2022 (UTC).
- Comment (not a full review). All of these hooks are problematic with respect to DYK rule 4a, which generally is interpreted as not allowing hooks that highlight negative material about living people. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: While that's a slight simplification of Rule 4a (it says hooks that focus unduly on negative information about living people should be avoided, and in an instance like this all three hooks reflect a significant part of the reason for the subject's notability, I think you do have one of your infrequent points here, and that at the very least a reviewer should have a choice. So, herewith ...
- ALT3... that after Mackenzie Fierceton withdrew from the Rhodes Scholarship program, she is still studying at Oxford since a sympathetic Penn professor is paying her tuition?Source: "Last fall, Mackenzie began the sociology Ph.D. program at Oxford, which had admitted her before she withdrew from the Rhodes; she’d lost her funding, but a professor at Penn offered to pay for her first year.", The New Yorker
- That good enough for you, Dave? Maybe you could be a lamb and approve it, sending it on its merry way? I'd remember it if you did. Daniel Case (talk) 02:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: While that's a slight simplification of Rule 4a (it says hooks that focus unduly on negative information about living people should be avoided, and in an instance like this all three hooks reflect a significant part of the reason for the subject's notability, I think you do have one of your infrequent points here, and that at the very least a reviewer should have a choice. So, herewith ...
Chris Ernst
- ... that Chris Ernst stripped naked in 1976 with her Yale University teammates to protest the lack of showers for the women's crew team? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that Chris Ernst and her teammates wrote 'TITLE IX' on their backs in 1976 to protest the facilities available for women rowing crew at Yale University? Source: [2]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/ (only my 3rd DYK)
- Comment: 1. I have requested a swap between page/redirect for Christine/Chris Ernst as she seems to be more commonly known as Chris
2. I would like this to run on June 23, 2022 which is the 50th anniversary of Title IX legislation that prohibits discrimination based on sex to institutions in the United States receiving federal funding
5x expanded by DaffodilOcean (talk). Self-nominated at 22:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
References
- ^ "Yale Women Strip To Protest a Lack Of Crew's Showers". The New York Times. 1976-03-04. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2022-06-10.
- ^ "Yale Women Strip To Protest a Lack Of Crew's Showers". The New York Times. 1976-03-04. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2022-06-10.
Mess L
- ... that Mess L, a multipurpose building in Banjarbaru, was historically used to house Soviet workers? Source: https://www.teras7.com/mess-l-banjarbaru-kemesraan-presiden-soekarno-dan-rusia/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Soon
- Comment: CE will be very appreciated
Created by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 13:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
William D. Leahy
- ... that William D. Leahy (pictured) was the highest-ranking American military officer in World War II? Source: https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Notable-Graves/Prominent-Military-Figures/Five-Star-Officers
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hanning Schröder
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Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
- suggesting an alt :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy (pictured) offered his resignation after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
- Three and a half years after. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think you mean three and a half months before? If he offered his resignation on April 12 and the first bombing was August 6... Regardless, yep, that's my bad! I read "atomic bomb" and skimmed the paragraph and didn't put it together. I'll try to come back with another hook. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 09:14, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy (pictured) offered his resignation after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
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Articles created/expanded on June 11
Jacopo da Trezzo
- ... that the Italian medallist Jacopo da Trezzo (portrait, right) travelled to London to make his medal commemorating the marriage of Mary I of England and the future Philip II of Spain in 1554? Source: "he entered the service of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1500–1558) and his son Philip of Spain (1527–1598), a major step in his career that would take him first to England and later to Spain. His portrait medals of Philip and his second wife Mary Tudor, Queen of England (1516–1558), dated 1554–55, bear allegories of the utmost refinement on the reverse and are justly famous.....Indeed it was during his stay in London that the formal appointment of Jacopo da Trezzo as escultor to Philip of Spain took place under the same terms as the royal order commanding Anthonis Mor to his salaried position as court painter. On 20 December 1554, in London, Philip signed a royal order for Mor to enter his service at a salary of three hundred escudos per annum; the same for Jacopo da Trezzo on New Year's day 1555." from Portrait of Jacopo da Trezzo (c. 1514–1589) by Anthonis Mor, Sotheby's, Lot 22, Old Masters Evening Sale, London, 4 December, 2019 (sold, £1.93 million)
- ALT1: ... that the Italian medallist Jacopo da Trezzo (portrait, right) trained two slaves belonging to Don Carlos in his workshop in Madrid in the 1550s? Source: Jordan, Annemarie, Chapter 7 in Black Africans in Renaissance Europe, K. J. P. Lowe, T. F. Earle eds, 2005, Cambridge University Press, ISBN 9780521815826, pp, 174-175
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ishūretsuzō
Moved to mainspace by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 22:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
Sangram (1974 film)
- ... that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the first President of Bangladesh, acted in Sangram film as special appearance? Source: https://bangladeshpost.net/posts/the-film-in-which-bangabandhu-acted-56217
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/One Griswold Street
- Comment: I quoted a persons' saying from a source in the article. Please don't mark that as a copyright infringement.
Created by Mehediabedin (talk). Self-nominated at 21:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC).
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- New Enough:
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- Other problems: - Article has grammatical, spelling and flow errors. It needs a copyedit.
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- Cited: - I am concerned about the reliability of Bangladesh Post. There is no author listed, and no "about" page on the site. The only listed employee of the site appears to be Sharif Shahab Uddin. The article is poorly written (maybe auto-translated?) and does not appear professional. Can you either a) find a better source or b) explain why the site is reliable with proof.
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Overall: Consider going through WP:GOCER again, like you did with Murad Takla (funny coincidence that I'm the one who c/e'd that article!). — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:43, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever: If you have doubt with Bangladesh Post, then it is not a issue because I have more two sources on it from two reliable newspapers. But they are written in Bengali that's why I cited Bangladesh Post that is in English. So should I replace the source with alternative bengali source or not? And hellow! Thanks for Murad Takla. Can you propose me a good hook sentence (If you want me to do it then I will do it)? And yes I will copyedit the article in days. I agree that it needs copyediting. Mehedi Abedin 22:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, seeing other newspapers would be great, even if they're non-english. Here is a proposed hook that is better worded: — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, the first president of Bangladesh, had a cameo appearance in the 1974 film Sangram? Source: https://bangladeshpost.net/posts/the-film-in-which-bangabandhu-acted-56217
- Yes, seeing other newspapers would be great, even if they're non-english. Here is a proposed hook that is better worded: — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 02:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever: The hook is perfect. Thanks. I replaced the source with better (here is the new source). I copyedited the article. I even kept the photo in "Cast" section. Can you please review the article again? Mehedi Abedin 14:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mehediabedin: I am also concerned about the reliability of samakal.com. Again, I can't find any "about" page on the site, any authors, or any people who work there other than a single editor. I can't speak so well on the quality of the samakal.com writing, but I checked 2 articles on en.samakal.com, and they both are direct copies of other articles: See [30] vs [31] and [32] vs [33]. I do not believe a publishing site that plagiarizes should be trusted, even if it's under a different language section of their website. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 20:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have any other sources, or any way to prove that samakal.com's Bengali writing is reliable? — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever: What are you talking about? Citing from Daily Samakal is reliable. Samakal is one of national newspaper in Bangladesh! Even they have a article in wikipedia. See - Samakal. Even its english article are copied, its Bengali news articles are original and realiable. And even you doubt that, I can provide another source (Jaijaidin and Ajkerpatrika) This first source is from another national newspaper Jaijaidin. This newspaper wrote "চাষী নজরুল ইসলাম পরিচালিত 'সংগ্রাম' সিনেমায় নিজের ভূমিকায় ক্যামিও করেছিলেন বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান।" (Translation: Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman made a cameo in his role in the movie 'Sangram' directed by Chashi Nazrul Islam.) But the source doesn’t tell use more than that. So the Samakal source is needed for DYK. But if you doubt Samakal then we can use Jaijaidin as the supportive source and Samakal as the main source in the article. Or we can use only Ajker Patrika (although the newspaper don't have article in wikipedia). The news covers other reliable sites also. Mehedi Abedin 21:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- A newspaper having a wikipedia article means nothing. Many sources that don't have wikipedia articles are reliable, and many that do have articles are unreliable. The Samakal article is unsourced, having only a single primary source. The article could probably be PROD'd or AFD'd, depending on the WP:BEFORE. I'll look into the Jaijaidin source momentarily. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 21:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @PerfectSoundWhatever: What are you talking about? Citing from Daily Samakal is reliable. Samakal is one of national newspaper in Bangladesh! Even they have a article in wikipedia. See - Samakal. Even its english article are copied, its Bengali news articles are original and realiable. And even you doubt that, I can provide another source (Jaijaidin and Ajkerpatrika) This first source is from another national newspaper Jaijaidin. This newspaper wrote "চাষী নজরুল ইসলাম পরিচালিত 'সংগ্রাম' সিনেমায় নিজের ভূমিকায় ক্যামিও করেছিলেন বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমান।" (Translation: Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman made a cameo in his role in the movie 'Sangram' directed by Chashi Nazrul Islam.) But the source doesn’t tell use more than that. So the Samakal source is needed for DYK. But if you doubt Samakal then we can use Jaijaidin as the supportive source and Samakal as the main source in the article. Or we can use only Ajker Patrika (although the newspaper don't have article in wikipedia). The news covers other reliable sites also. Mehedi Abedin 21:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: You said that "I can't find any "about" page on the site", for your information, Most reputable newspaper websites in Bangladesh don't have about section (For example, see Prothom Alo, the newspaper don't do plagiarism. Somoy TV has about page but I don't know if they copy from others or not) So it doesn’t matter. And don't forget that the Ajker Patrika source cover the whole fact in the hook. Mehedi Abedin 21:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
James Herndon (drag queen)
- ... that American drag queen James Herndon donated funds and resources into Lexington, Kentucky's black and LGBTQ+ communities?
Moved to mainspace by Wcbenge22 (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 02:07, 11 June 2022 (UTC).
Gunslinger effect
- ... that according to Bohr's law, the person who draws first in a gunfight loses? Source: https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13414-010-0057-7
Created by Thames27 (talk) and BuySomeApples (talk). Nominated by BuySomeApples (talk) at 01:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 12
UK cost of living crisis
- ... that about 80% of the UK cost of living crisis involves global issues including the 2021–2022 global energy crisis and the 2020–present global chip shortage?
Created by FeydHuxtable (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 17:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC).
Roman Bunka
- ... that the German guitarist Roman Bunka studied the Arabic oud (pictured playing) mainly in Cairo and played in the band of Mohamed Mounir, for example at the New Year's concert 2000 at the Pyramids of Gizeh? Source: several
- Reviewed: KRNV-FM
5x expanded by Munfarid1 (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
TFW No GF
- ... that the title of the incel and Frogtwitter subculture film TFW No GF stands for "That feeling when [you’ve got] no girlfriend"?
Created by Jlevi (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 08:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
Mary Manhein
- ... that before Mary Manhein created the the Louisiana Repository for Unidentified and Missing Persons Information Program, "unidentified bones usually ended up in a box" (pictured)? Source: Gibbs, Karen B. (August 6, 2015). "Face to Face: Mary Manhein built LSU's forensic anthropology program into an industry leader". Inside New Orleans. No. August/September. p. 73.
- ALT1: ... that Mary Manhein has helped to identify and return human remains to their cemeteries in Louisiana after hurricanes dislodged tombs and burial caskets? Source: Nobel, Justin (11 February 2015). "Enter the Land of Floating Tombs". Digital Dying. Supporting text includes: "In cases where remains have come out of their coffins, Mudge turns the task over to a team at Louisiana State University known as FACES, ... After both Hurricanes Katrina and Hurricane Isaac the lab set up a temporary morgue near Baton Rouge, where remains could be identified.... lab leader Mary Manhein..."
- Reviewed: Florida Right To Clean Water
- Comment:
Created by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Self-nominated at 13:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC).
KXRR
- ... that a Louisiana radio station went to a satellite-fed music format because it had more control than with its previous "18- and 20-year-old jocks"? Source: https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1980s/1984/RR-1984-09-28.pdf p42
5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 07:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 13
The Witcher (Prószyński i S-ka)
- ... that the first time The Witcher universe was portrayed outside the books was in the 1993–1995 Polish comic book series of the same name? Source: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0752/9/4/102 (and others)
- ALT1: ... that The Witcher Polish comic book series of 1993–1995 was the first time the Witcher universe was adapted to a medium other than books? Source: just a rewording of the above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Suwałki Gap
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 09:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 14
CIA activities in Japan
- ... that the CIA shipped colour TV sets to Japan in order to broadcast propaganda for the Liberal Democratic Party? Source: - The CIA and the Japanese media: a cautionary tale, Tessa Morris-Suzuki
- Reviewed:
Created by Yokohama1989 (talk). Self-nominated at 13:09, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
- I believe that i'm exempt from QPG due to this being my first nomination - Yokohama1989 (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Dr. Dot
- ... that some of massage therapist Dr. Dot's celebrity clients include Katy Perry, Eminem, Courtney Love, Robert Plant, Simon Cowell, David Bowie, Juliette Lewis, Kanye West, and Mariah Carey? Source: Hollywood Reporter
- ALT1: ... that in 2009, massage therapist Dr. Dot flew into Georgia to treat then-president Mikheil Saakashvili? Source: The New York Times
- ALT2: ... that Dr. Dot started to give her mother "bite massages" at the age of five? Source: Digest
- ALT3: ... that during an appearance on This Morning, Dr. Dot demonstrated her "bite massage" on host Eamonn Holmes, first biting his hand and then his shoulder? Source: Belfast Telegraph
- Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Edward_A._Synan
Created by Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk). Self-nominated at 21:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC).
Tuva Hansen
- ... that the first match Tuva Hansen played for the Norway football national team, was also the last match her older sister Hege Hansen played for that team? Source: https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/person/profil/?p=n&fiksId=3672773 and https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/kamp/?fiksId=6657081
- ALT1: ... that Norwegian footballer Tuva Hansen's dog has more than 1.1 million followers on TikTok? Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@viljacockapoo
- Reviewed:
- ALT2: ... that Norwegian footballer Tuva Hansen's dog has several million views on TikTok? Source: https://www.tv2.no/a/14157007/
- ALT3: ... that 7 November 2021, the Norwegian footballer Tuva Hansen played against her sister Hege Hansen and won, which meant that Tuva won Toppserien for the first time while Hege’s team was relegated?Source: https://www.nrk.no/sport/sandviken-har-startet-gullfesten-_-blir-seriemester-for-forste-gang-1.15720563
- Comment: Tuva Hansen is on the squad that is going to play in the Euro 2022 this Summer, so I would suggest that this is posted during that period, preferably on one of the days Norway plays a match in the group stage, which are 7 July, 11 July and 15 July.
5x expanded by Rogalendingen (talk). Self-nominated at 11:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC).
- 5x expansion verified. Nominator was credited with one previous DYK (Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Olsvik) but not as nominator; no QPQ needed. Earwig found no copying. Article text is readable and mostly properly sourced, but see below. Both hooks are interesting but problematic. ALT0 is not mentioned or sourced in the article; ALT1 appears, but only with a primary source to the tiktok account itself, which I suspect is inadequate for DYK rule 3b. For DYK, we need the claims in the hook to appear within the article, and for their appearance in the article to have a published reliable source, "appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact". (Incidentally, the Instagram subscription number source is even worse: it leads me only to a login page, from which I cannot retrieve any useful information as I do not have an Instagram login.) For the first-match last-match hook it would be preferable to find a source that explicitly makes that comparison, rather than a synthesis of separate database listings. Additionally, the "Toppserien 2021" listing in honours requires a source; for DYK, we cannot have an entire paragraph or section without a source. If the sourcing issues can be fixed, we can use either hook; otherwise, we might need a new one. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have cited the honours section now. The Instagram link takes you to the right account if you do have an account yourself. And I don’t see the difference between using that as a source compared to a primary source found at a library that you don’t have access to without an account (or without being there in person), just for that one number.
- ALT0 is at the bottom of the article, right at the end.
- I really like that hook (and it is definitely my favourite out of the four), but I can’t find a source that says exactly that. Hege also hasn’t retired, but has given birth to two children, plays in first division and not Toppserien, is 31 and hasn’t played for the national team the last five years, so it is highly unlikely that she will play another match. Given that one of the DYK on the front page yesterday actually was about a footballer that got called up to the national team after giving birth and that I can’t find a source that states it, I have added two other hooks now. Personally, I prefer the one about TikTok (ALT2) out of those two. Rogalendingen (talk) 12:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Subscriber counts should not be directly sourced to the medium. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 301#YouTube personality subscriber and viewing figures in BLPs. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The article they discuss, still uses YouTube as a source at least six places, so I don’t see how they reach a consensus, and hence that that discussion supports your statement. Rogalendingen (talk) 18:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Subscriber counts should not be directly sourced to the medium. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 301#YouTube personality subscriber and viewing figures in BLPs. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 15
1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent
- ... that the US Mint released the 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent (pictured) on August 2, 1909, and discontinued it on August 5, 1909, because of the artist's initials on the coin? Source: April 2, 1909 release and April 5, 1909
- ALT1: ... that many coin collectors consider the 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent (pictured) to be "The Holy Grail" in penny collecting? Source: Professional Coin Grading Service: The 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent has long been considered the “holy grail” when it comes to collecting this ages-old series. Nothing is knocking the 1909-S VDB Lincoln Cent off that pedestal and Many people outside of the hobby know it as "the 1909 penny." Lincoln cent enthusiasts often refer to it as "The Holy Grail."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/McLaren MCL35
Converted from a redirect by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 04:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC).
Julia Dawson
- ... that Julia Dawson's first Clarion Van (pictured) was named for Scottish socialist Caroline Martyn? Source: mentions Martyn and of course her name is in the photo
- ALT1: ... that journalist Julia Dawson's Clarion Vans spread the socialist word to British women? Source: as above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/National Women's Day (Pakistan)
- Comment: QPQ = 2 of 2 part hook. If you see an error fix it. All changes welcome... but if you can see how the hook might be tweeked (to fit with how you would have written it) when its in the queues for the main page then please look for a more constructive edit.
Created by Madeleineog (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 11:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
WAQI
- ... that just four days after going on air, Miami's Radio Mambí was jammed by the Cuban government? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/103774190/spanish-language-radio-station-here/
- ALT1: ... that after one politician's father insulted another on the air of Radio Mambí in Miami, their children got into a fight in the parking lot? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/103795124/2-state-reps-duke-it-out-in-radio/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pacific Cyber/Metrix
5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 17:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC).
Palu
- ... that when Palu was choosen as the capital of Palu Regency, there were protests and conflicts between residents of it and the town of Donggala? Source: https://www.worldcat.org/title/sejarah-sosial-daerah-sulawesi-tengah-wajah-kota-donggala-dan-palu/oclc/15864232
Sementara keadaan Kota Donggala yang demikian, diadakan pembagian daerah Sulawesi Tengah dengan beslit gubemur Sulawesi tanggal 25 Oktober 1951 No. 633 yang menyatakan bahwa Sulawesi Tengah dibagi menjadi dua kabupaten yakni Kabupaten Poso dengan ibu Kota Poso dan Kabupaten Palu dengan ibu kota Palu. Dengan keluarnya beslit itu menjadikan Kota Donggala semakin kurang kemungkinan untuk dikembangkan. Peristiwa ini mengundang banyak protes dan pertentangan antara penduduk Palu dan Donggala. Untuk memperbaiki hubungan penduduk kedua kota tersebut yang telah menjadi tegang, maka A.R. Pettalolo mengajukan mosi pada tanggal 14 Nopember 1951 kepada gubernur · Sulawesi. Dengan mosi itu, maka diputuskanlah bahwa Kabupaten Palu diganti menjadi Kabupaten Donggala . dengan ibu kotanya berkedudukan di Palu (p 29)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Soon
- Comment: Copyedit will be very appreciated since im very bad at English and templates
Created by Nyanardsan (talk). Self-nominated at 14:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on June 16
Montauk Cutoff
- ... that a community garden was legally established atop an abandoned railroad in Long Island City? Source: https://ny.curbed.com/2015/12/3/9894666/in-long-island-city-a-community-seeks-to-reclaim-an-urban-wilderness, https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/guerilla-gardeners-legit-article-1.1514689
Created by ComplexRational (talk). Self-nominated at 12:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
Red Jordan Arobateau
- ... that Red Jordan Arobateau adopted "Red" as his first name after dyeing his hair red? Source: Encyclopedia of Contemporary LGBTQ Literature of the United States: M–Z, p. 38.
- ALT1: ... that Red Jordan Arobateau adopted "Red" as his first name after dyeing his hair red because the color represented sensuality and eroticism of his work? Source: Encyclopedia of Contemporary LGBTQ Literature of the United States: M–Z, p. 38.
- Reviewed: Under 5 DYK credits.
- Comment: Personal preference for the original hook.
Moved to mainspace by Evelyn Ryan53 (talk), The Most Comfortable Chair (talk), and Urve (talk). Nominated by The Most Comfortable Chair (talk) at 11:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
Displaced aggression
- ... that displaced aggression is experienced by humans and animals? Source: Displaced aggression occurs when someone directs their anger toward an innocent bystander, rather than the provocateur. Redirected aggression—that is, when a recently attacked individual attacks a third party immediately after the original aggression...cichlid fish Also, cats, monkeys, elephants dogs...
- ALT1: ... that redirected aggression occurs when an animal responds to external stimuli by attacking an uninvolved third party? Source: Friendships among yellow baboons persist for years at a time, after a fight baboons will often chase their rival's female friend - redirected aggression Redirected aggression is when one cat experiences something that instills fear, is over-stimulating or highly arousing and they redirect their frustration, aggression or fear onto whoever is closest. This could be the family dog, another cat or even a human.
- ALT2: ... that one cause of road rage may be displaced aggression? Source: road rage may be caused by mental and behavioral impairments..driver frustration...anger...traffic...displaced aggression.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georgia Baptist College
- Comment: There is much information about this term. Seems like we can also come up with many hooks.
Created by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
Lawyering (book)
- ... that Lawyering was compared to a Cinderella story? Source: "The first seven pages read like a Cinderella story by Adela Rogers St. Johns." - May/June 1976 issue of The Saturday Evening Post
Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
- Earwig picks up "It was published in the United States and Canada." as a copyright violation of two websites, but those two websites are about an entirely different book that was published in 2017. SL93 (talk) 15:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Hyouka (TV series)
- ... that the anime TV series Hyouka was commended for combining the genres of mystery and slice of life? Source: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/shelf-life/2017-09-18/.121455
- Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Takipoint123 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:55, 16 June 2022 (UTC).
- I have made less than five requests, so QPQ is not mandatory in my knowledge.--Takipoint123 (talk) 03:07, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- As an anime (and KyoAni) fan, the hook is kinda okay but I wonder if something else could be proposed here. Something that would be interesting or unusual even to non-anime fans. The rest of the article seems fine and I didn't notice any outstanding issues (other than maybe the plot summary being a bit on the long side? That's not really a DYK issue though). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I have a few alternate suggestions:
- Alt0a: ...that the anime TV series Hyouka was considered unique in the mystery genre for dealing with "trivial but always personal" mysteries?
- Alt1: ... that Takayama, Gifu distributed 10,000 maps featuring the real-life locations of the anime TV series Hyouka?
- Alt2:... that the anime TV series Hyouka featured classical music like John Sebastian Bach's Air on the G string?
- I think Alt 2 sounds the most interesting, but I feel that there might be problems because the main article comes at the very end of the sentence, but I couldn't make a better sentence. Thanks!--Takipoint123 (talk) 04:08, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that's an issue, sometimes hooks are more effective if the bolded article is mentioned later. It really depends on the context. By the way, I've relabeled your ALT2 to ALT1 since you already have an ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I have a few alternate suggestions:
Articles created/expanded on June 17
Judith Ehrlich
- ... that Judith Ehrlich (pictured) incorporated her NPR work on pacifism into a documentary focusing on conscientious objectors during World War II?
5x expanded by Beccaynr (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 23:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
Mormons vs. Mullets
- ... that the name of the "Mormons vs. Mullets" game was a play on the 1988 "Catholics vs. Convicts" game? Source: Who wants a 'Mormons vs. Mullets' T-shirt? It's a thing heading into the BYU-CCU game (behind paywall)
- ALT1: ... that BYU agreed to play Coastal Carolina in what would become the Mormons vs. Mullets game after Liberty dropped out of the game less than a week prior due to COVID-19? Source: BYU vs. Coastal Carolina: Live stream, watch online, TV channel, coverage, kickoff time, odds, spread, pick
- ALT2: ... that BYU came up one yard short of winning the Mormons vs. Mullets game against Coastal Carolina in 2020? Source: Seven-Step Drop: Coastal Carolina's Cinderella Story Reinforces How College Football is Far More Than Just the Playoff
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mayoralty of John Lindsay
5x expanded by PCN02WPS (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
Candler Building (New York City)
- ... that when the Candler Building opened, it was Manhattan's tallest building north of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company Tower, the world's tallest building? Source: Gray, Christopher (March 31, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Candler Building;Amid 42d Street Renewal, a Facade in Disrepair". The New York Times; Gray, Christopher (May 26, 1996). "Streetscapes/Metropolitan Life at 1 Madison Avenue;For a Brief Moment, the Tallest Building in the World". The New York Times
- ALT1: ... that at one point, the tenants of New York City's Candler Building included the Coca-Cola Company, a magic shop, dentists, and lawyers? Source: Shepard, Richard F. (April 14, 1996). "Ideas & Trends; It Was the Pits. It'll Be Missed". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that New York City's Candler Building, purchased for $1.3 million in 1980, was resold at more than ten times that amount five years later? Source: Gottlieb, Martin (April 26, 1985). "As Prices Soar, Cost of Land for Times Square Plan Is Harder to Estimate". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that the completely vacant Candler Building, purchased for $1.3 million in 1980, was resold for over $14 million five years later? Source: Gottlieb, Martin (April 26, 1985). "As Prices Soar, Cost of Land for Times Square Plan Is Harder to Estimate". The New York Times.
- ALT4: ... that after a former New York City government official purchased the Candler Building, he was charged with bribing a current city official to lease space there? Source: Ex-city Official Indicted on New Bribery Charge
- ALT5: ... that after a former New York City government official purchased the Candler Building, he was charged with bribery? Source: Ex-city Official Indicted on New Bribery Charge Technically, several steps have been skipped here. He was charged with bribery because of a lease he made at the building.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/_
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks pending
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
Gita Sarabhai
- ... that Gita Sarabhai was among the first few women to play pakhavaj, a traditional musical instrument of India?
Source: Sarabhai, one of the first woman pakhavaj players – if not the first exponent of that daunting percusion instrument – will be remembered as a magnanimous patron of music [34] She was a singer of music and a player of the pakhavaj. In fact she may well have been the first woman to play that famously difficult-to-play percussion instrument. [35]
- Reviewed:
Moved to mainspace by DesiBoy101 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:07, 17 June 2022 (UTC).
- in progress. Maybe a picture of the drum? Victuallers (talk) 08:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Victuallers, I've added the image. Can you please check the formatting? Also this is my first time nominating a DYK. So am I suppose add anything in the Reviewed section or is it fine for now? DesiBoy101 (talk) 19:01, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 18
RateMyCop.com
- ... that a Florida resident was arrested after posting on RateMyCop.com, and prosecuted under a 1972 statute that made it illegal to publish the personal information of police officers? Source: Wired (2010)
- ALT1: ... that a bill was proposed in the Utah State Senate to hide police misconduct reports from the public after RateMyCop.com requested reports on every police officer in the state? Source: KUTV
- ALT2: ... that GoDaddy stopped hosting RateMyCop.com due to "suspicious activity", before later stating that the website reached a bandwidth limit? Source: Wired (2008)
- Reviewed: None needed (less than 5 nominations)
Improved to Good Article status by ArcticSeeress (talk). Self-nominated at 06:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC).
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