Title change
We want to change Founders Day Ghana Writing Contest to Founders Day Ghana Writing Contest- Decolonizing the Internet. This is because the earlier title was wrong. This year we are creating Founders Day Ghana Writing Contest as title on a meta page and we are wondering whether its possible. Kindly show as how we can go about it.Jwale2 (talk) 01:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- You have to ask a administrator to do article name changes. Wikipedia:Administrators is how to find one, happy editing!`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 03:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Jwale2, you can use the "move" function by clicking the "More" tab to move the page to the appropriate title, see m:Help:Moving a page. Baggaet (talk) 03:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Benefits of joining?
Hi. I just made an edit and seen notices about getting an account. It says that will hide my IP address but I'm not really bothered about that. Is it definitely free to join and what are the main benefits? Also, are there any constraints? I just followed a link here so hope I'm in right place and filled this in right. 79.73.27.91 (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Registering and maintaining an account is indeed free. Registered accounts can, given enough time and activity, get the autoconfirmed and extended confirmed userrights, which allow them to edit thru some forms of protection. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 20:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello,
- I can tell you that it is definitely free to join Wikipedia- in fact, you don't even have to use an e-mail to join. You are in the right place. As for constraints, I don't think there are too many. If you create an account and edit it often you can edit semi-protected pages, which is something you cannot do not signed in and without many edits. Having an account means that someday you can become a Wikipedia administrator. All in all, if you only do one or two edits and you do not care about your IP address being shown then I would say that it is perfectly okay to edit not signed in. Otherwise, I would definitely recommend creating an account. Thanks! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 20:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Jéské and Helloheart. Hope you are both well. Thank you for your answers that give me food for thought. Much appreciated and best wishes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.73.27.91 (talk) 20:52, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would add to the good comments above that if you do not provide an email address to an account, it is not possible to recover your password if you forget it. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, 331dot. I'm surprised an email address isn't mandatory for a membership. It is at many other sites. If I decide to join, I'll bear that in mind. I'm always forgetting passwords. Thank you and best wishes. 79.73.27.91 (talk) 21:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll just add my own "Welcome to the Teahouse" message for you, and just address something the others above have not. You asked about "benefits" and "constraints". The great benefit of editing Wikipedia (whether logged on with a free account, or as an IP user living in Swindon) is the great feeling of accomplishment that you're able to contribute in your own small way to this amazing encyclopaedia, with its 6.2 million articles. There are definitely "constraints", though we like to call them "Policies & Guidelines. Boy, do we have lots of 'em!!!
- But don't panic, they're all basically there to make sure we only add content that can be Verified from published sources, and that it's presented in a Neutral, encyclopaedic manner, and that we all work courteously together on this collaborative project (CONSENSUS, and don't either accidentally or intentionally cause disruption. Common sense basically applies when you start out editing - and I hope you enjoy it. But if you want to get a sense of all those lovely "constraints", do take a quick peek at Wikipedia:List of policies. So, a hearty welcome to a project - one that you'll either try out and abandon after a few goes, or discover a whole new, exciting world of information sharing and world-wide education and cooperation. We're here to help and guide you as you start out on this journey if you need us. Regards from the East Midlands, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- You may also want to read Wikipedia:Why create an account? Deor (talk) 22:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Nick and Deor. I have decided I will open an account. I do a lot of historical research as a hobby. I think it will be fun to do some editing too. I am short of time this morning. Will think of a name and let you know. Thank you all so much for helping me and your words of welcome. Best wishes and laters. 79.73.27.91 (talk) 06:20, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your positive contributions! It's great to see new editors here at the Teahouse. Have a wonderful day! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 06:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, EpicPupper, and everyone else above. I have opened my account as Sistorian. My sister calls me that because I love history. Don't worry, she has a nickname too! I have made a start by trying to address some of the issues in articles recommended by the system. Two will need a lot more work so I have added them to the watchlist, which must be very useful to have. I am not sure if I will have any more time today but I should be able to come back tomorrow. Thank you again, everyone, for all your help and the very kind words of welcome. Best wishes.
- Sistorian (talk) 12:35, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
I can’t create my own user talk page.
I am trying to create my own user talk page, but it won’t let me create it just because I am not logged in. 2603:8000:EA43:F6B9:441:A13E:6B62:407D (talk) 22:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse! It looks to me like you successfully created your talk page based on its history. Are you referring to a user page? I'm not sure if IPs have the ability to create those. Perfect4th (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Nope, we do not. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello and welcome...To add to the above, I would recommend if you can, you should consider creating an account. It's easy to do so and you will get to create and customize your own userpage and talk page. I will send you a welcome note with links to help you with that for your consideration. Happy editing Volten001 ☎ 07:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Tagging and user page
hello,please how can I tag a user on a talk page so that he/she will receive a notification that the were mentioned e.g @Uricdivine. Also how can I add links in a talk page so that it can be easier for users to understand the points being made. Lastly,how do I edit my user page to show things like (this user is a wikipedian, THIS user is a rollbacker,this user loves to swim)or something like that in templates. Thanks Uricdivine (talk) 23:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Help
Hello, when am writing a discussion in a talk page I don't see the five options displayed above me now. What I mean is I don't see capital letter option, citations option,tag option and visual/source editing option.. please do I need a particular level or number of edits to get this privileges? Uricdivine (talk) 23:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Uricdivine: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems you're able to ping others, as you've done so for yourself. You are probably thinking about the reply tool, which should be enabled for new users by default. If it isn't, you can go to Preferences → Beta features → Discussion tools. Please see Help:Link for more information on how to create wikilinks.If you want to show vanity fluff like
This user is a Wikipedian
as templates, consider reading Wikipedia:Userboxes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Uricdivine, and welcome to the Teahouse!
- For your first question, you can "ping" a user by using {{u|Example}}, which produces Example; I used this to respond to you. You can also respond to someone with the template {{re|Example}} (which produces @Example:). For more information, check out Help:Notifications.
- To link to an article, talk page, or anything else, put the name of the page in square brackets: [[Lionel Messi]], [[Wikipedia:Main Page]], and [[User talk:Example]] produce Lionel Messi, Wikipedia:Main Page, and User talk:Example.
- I assume your next question is referring to userboxes. That page should give you a guide to using them, as well as links to galleries containing hundreds of userboxes.
- You should be able to have editing options no matter how many edits you've made. You might be seeing different options because you're using the newer discussion tools; if you use the "New section" link in the top right of a page rather than just clicking edit, you should get the same results.
- Hope this helps! Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 00:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello thank you all for your replies but I still can not find an easier way to tag someone without using perfect4th which is hard (am talking about using "{|" in the name of the editor am trying to tag) For linking a talk page let me try if it works ((Lionel Messi))
- Uricdivine, Help:Notifications lists all the options for pinging users. When you're linking a page, make sure to use square brackets (these: [[]]). Also, don't forget to sign your messages with for tildes (~~~~). Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 16:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
@ perfect4th Thank you I have learnt how to ping users and also how to add links in talk pages. All that remains is how to add userboxes in my own user pages,please help me. Uricdivine (talk) 16:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like you have it all figured out, Uricdivine! Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
How do I merge two "N/A" cells of a table using the Visual Editor?
I need to merge two "N/A" cells using the visual editor, but following the steps listed in help I couldn't find a way to select multiple "N/A" cells. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:07, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Aaron Liu Hold shift and click on each cell you want to select. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 01:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @192.76.8.94 This doesn't work for "N/A" cells. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Is the Wikipedia Page I am trying to create properly sources and cited?
Hello, I am trying to create the Wikipedia page Draft:Île de Croy, It has been declined due to it not being properly cited, I tried to fix the citing by looking at Help:Referencing for beginners, I would like to know if it is Sources and Cited correctly. Germany FranceUK Australia Russia Latvia (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I think I Cited it the way you did, can you check if it is properly cited now?
- Thanks in advance. Germany FranceUK Australia Russia Latvia (talk) 02:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Germany FranceUK Australia Russia Latvia: I fixed one of the references for you, take a look to see the proper format: [1] ––FormalDude talk 01:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed other refs David notMD (talk) 02:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- First ref trigggers a warning "Your connection is not private. Attackers might be trying to steal your information from tf.geoview.info (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Can you find a replacement? David notMD (talk) 09:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD: That is not really a problem.
- First ref trigggers a warning "Your connection is not private. Attackers might be trying to steal your information from tf.geoview.info (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). Can you find a replacement? David notMD (talk) 09:29, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed other refs David notMD (talk) 02:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Oversimplified summary of HTTP/HTTPS technology and history
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Long ago, many internet pages used HTTP, a protocol to exchange data between a server (here, whoever controls geoview.info) and a client (your web browser). That data was sent "in clear", with no encryption, which allowed multiple nefarious actors to do bad stuff (for instance, if I control the internet traffic between the server and the client, I can change the page’s content, read whatever you send etc.; in some instances, internet service providers put in ads to the top of their customer’s web requests). A new protocol, HTTPS, was developed to solve that issue - the server would encrypt and sign the data it sends to the client, so that the client has some confidence that nobody has tampered with the content of the page. HTTPS was better than HTTP to use but it’s a bit harder to set up, there’s a significant technical and political problem of how the client knows to decrypt the result, and webmasters are lazy (reminder, this is a very simplified summary). Browsers decided to put increasingly dire warnings when displaying pages that are not fully-HTTPS; including pages that are "self-signed" (i.e. the page is HTTPS, but you are not sure who did the encryption - probably the server but you cannot be sure) or that include non-HTTPS elements (for instance, if my page includes maps from Google etc. I might elect to direct your browser to look up those on your own). In the case of that page, the root page itself is HTTPS, but it calls some resources (typically images from other websites) over HTTP. Hence your browser is complaining that all the risks associated with insecure HTTP are still present. The fact that your browser is screaming is more a choice from the browser vendor (to push those do-nothing webmasters to move on to full-HTTPS already) than a function of the real security risk. |
- As far as I know, there is no requirement that online sources be HTTPS (and I would oppose such a requirement if it was proposed). That being said, that source is not much more than a map from Google, so I don’t know if it is really useful. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:00, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Reference conflict
Hey! I came across a recently vandalised article and am trying to correct the information on it, however I've ran into a problem. I have 2 different references for the information of this person, and while most information matches, one claims he was born on the 3rd of March while the other claims it was the 6th of March. Another article I found used the 6th, but the current one was using the 3rd. Any advice for determing which reference should take priority or any advice to figure this out?
For those that are curious, the article is Stephane Aziz Ki, and the references are this (6th) and this (3rd). Aidan9382 (talk) 07:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I would recommend the 6th since 2 sources use that date.`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 07:55, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Aidan9382, and welcome to the Teahouse. I wouldn't necessarily agree with HelpingWorld here: the fact that you've found two sources which claim one date and one which claims the other, is far from conclusive: which of the sites looks most reliable? In fact, does either of them look like a reliable source in Wikipedia's sense? Are there other sources you haven't found? I would be inclined to say in the article that sources disagree, and leave it up to the reader to decide which to believe. ColinFine (talk) 10:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Aidan9382, I would say 'March' instead of specifying a specfic date. Sungodtemple (talk) 13:00, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Aidan9382, you've already been welcomed so I won't do that again but I am glad you came here with your question. My suggestion is to either follow what ColinFine says above, state that sources are in disagreement and let the reader decide, or say nothing at all. We are not required to provide a birth date for a subject of an article as many do not have them. Sources are in disagreement so, if one does not immediately stand out as more reliable than the other then it's okay to not list a birth date. There is no rush to update any article. Perhaps in time one source will see their error and correct it. Of course, you may decide to be bold and make the change anyway and that's okay too. I still think a more balanced approach like that offered by ColinFine is best. --ARoseWolf 13:16, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Aidan9382: a bit late to this party, but I would refer you to WP:DOB, which says (and I quote; emphasis mine)
"If multiple independent reliable sources state differing years or dates of birth in conflict, the consensus is to include all birth dates/years for which a reliable source exists, clearly noting discrepancies. In this situation, editors must not include only one date/year which they consider "most likely", or include merely a single date from one of two or more reliable sources. Original research must not be used to extrapolate the date of birth."
HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:41, 15 June 2022 (UTC)- @DoubleGrazing: This seems like its going to be the most likely solution, as after doing further searches, I'm still seeing a mix of the two (to the point where one site reports both DOBs on 2 different occasions). How would you recommend phrasing this? My main problem is the fact that I'm not sure how to display this kind of behaviour inside an infobox. Unfortunately, I normally work on the technical side of wikipedia, so this isn't something I know how to sort well. Aidan9382 (talk) 08:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Aidan9382 Sources conflicting happens all the time, it happens so often in fact that we have a few help pages that contain guidance on what to do, Wikipedia:These are not original research#Conflict between sources and WP:Conflicting sources offer some really helpful advice. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 22:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Where to add this news in the respective Wiki page?
This https://scroll.in/latest/1026212/there-was-an-agenda-zee-news-directed-to-take-down-video-on-muslim-population is a news about News Broadcasting and Digital Standards Authority chairperson saying that the Zee News broadcasted without any objective data and with an agenda.
Where should I add this point in the Zee News wiki page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zee_News
(Libreravi (talk) 08:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC))
- @Libreravi: Probably should go under the Cases of fabrication section. I'd suggest bringing it up on the article's talk page as well. ––FormalDude talk 09:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Question regarding images
Hey there,
Is it possible to insert an image already on Wikipedia to an additional article. I'm creating a draft for the Southworth library in Dartmouth MA and I wanted to insert an image that already exists in an additional article. Is that possible?
Thank you all so much, AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 13:36, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- AdmiralAckbar1977, yes. It is possible to use same image on two (or more) different articles. --Baggaet (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Baggaet, thank you so much! Do you know how I'd go about doing that?
- Thank you so so much, AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AdmiralAckbar1977 Short version, copypaste the "code" from the page you found it. Longer version: Help:Pictures. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 13:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AdmiralAckbar1977: Even longer version: Let's assume you have already found an image image you want to use. It could be this one of a cup of tea that you want to re-use. You need to get to the image on Commons, so either click on my link in the previous sentence, or click the photograph you see here - you're taken to the same place on Wikimedia Commons - and look just above the picture, and beneath the filename where you'll see a line of five small links. Look for the link with the tiny Wikipedia 'W' logo and the words "Use this file". Click that link and select the text offered to "Use this file on a Wiki as a Thumbnail". (The convention is always to add an image as a thumbnail, no matter how much you'd love to make it larger.) Copy the link to your clipboard and then go to the Wikipedia page you want to add it to (let's assume we want to add it to the page we're on now). Edit the page (ie click the tab labelled Edit Source). Scroll down to the section you'd like to add it to, and paste in the text you copied at the very top of that section. By default, this adds the thumbnail picture and its caption on the right hand side of the page, as you see here. To change the caption text, just edit the text to the right of the vertical bar - or 'pipe'. Don't change the filename.jpg text itself or the image link will be broken. There are some useful links on this help page: Wikipedia:Images with further guidance and tweaks, or detailed layout possibilities at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial.
- Of course, if you are using the alternative Visual Editor (which is a bit more WYSIWYG), the process is slightly different. You once again navigate to the section where the image is needed, then, in the editing toolbar, click Insert > Media. At the search bar in the popup that then appears, type the keyword to search for certain image types, or just type in the filename of your image you've already chosen from Wikimedia Commons. Select the image and then click 'Use this image'. Before inserting it you'll be prompted to add a caption. Captions can include hyperlinks, but that's probably best left for another time. I hope this helps. (If it doesn't just visit the tutorial links at Wikipedia:Images) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:53, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AdmiralAckbar1977 Note also that some pics, like this one [2], must generally only be used in one article. They are "non-free." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:53, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 13:50, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @AdmiralAckbar1977 Short version, copypaste the "code" from the page you found it. Longer version: Help:Pictures. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
The phenomenon of "As of ____" when the source is no longer from the present
I've noticed this issue quite often, and think it could be a widespread bug on Wikipedia. Basically, at the time of writing, someone used a recently-published source to cite a claim, and in making the claim, said it was true "as of" then.
Fast forward a year or even a month (if the claim was made for that month), and now Wikipedia is possibly purveying false information! For example, if it said "As of August 2021", unless it's updated with a new source in September (which of course it never is), as soon as it is September, it's a claim that could be false, and definitely isn't verified. As soon as it is 2023, anything that said "As of 2022" and isn't updated, could be false, and isn't verified.
On the other hand, if editors were to say "By 2022" and "By August 2021", etc., all of this is avoided. It's true to eternity, or until updated. I'm posting this as a call to arms to editors to fix this pervasive issue, and also as a plea to stop propagating it. That is all. Noble Metalloid (talk) 16:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Noble Metalloid, welcome to the Teahouse. There is guidance here, here and here, but the gist of it is that we actually encourage the use of "as of" (there's even a template for it), because it tells the reader the information was correct "as of" a certain date, and may no longer be correct after that date. It doesn't mean the information was correct on that date and for all time afterwards. You can use alternative wording in your own writing, of course (or you can challenge the guidance - that's almost always an option in these parts!). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, thanks for the links. I think "In ___", rather than "By ____", is actually the most neutral way to make a claim. I think there are several dimensions of the issue that explain my frustration: 1. someone cherrypicks a year, uses the "as of" language, even if the claim is no longer true today 2. someone innocently documents a trend that reached an apex that year, that was no longer true as of the next year, but the language implies otherwise 3. A lot of time passes, and the language extrapolates the claim across a huge swath of time, and the claim eventually becomes a load of hot air. I'll take my manifesto to those respective pages. I see what you mean though...it also matters what follows the phrase...if you say "As of 2022, Noble Metalloid is the best Wikipedia editor", it implies it is true to the present, whereas "As of 2022, Noble Metalloid was the best Wikipedia editor" has less of an extrapolation implication. Noble Metalloid (talk) 16:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- True, and I think all of the examples on those pages use the past tense for that very reason. It's hard to make sure articles get updated when needed, so using the most precise, least time-dependent wording possible is a good thing. Also, it's clear that 199.208.172.35 is the best Wikipedia editor as of this moment, but that's a side issue. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I thought it was me, but per WP:AGF I'll take your word for it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Noble Metalloid I think you have a good point, actually, and some of your alternative solutions may be better. I've never liked 'As of' that much, especially if it's used with the present tense, not the past tense. I'd suggest presenting some well-worded examples to show problems and alternative phraseology. But it's important to remind you that you are nevertheless welcome to make changes where you feel the deployment of that phrase is not appropriate, and that Wikipedia:Asof#Usage guidelines does actively encourage future updating. To that end, Template:Category as of allows you to find and update those pages, or fix them in whatever way is appropriate. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:57, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- True, and I think all of the examples on those pages use the past tense for that very reason. It's hard to make sure articles get updated when needed, so using the most precise, least time-dependent wording possible is a good thing. Also, it's clear that 199.208.172.35 is the best Wikipedia editor as of this moment, but that's a side issue. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, thanks for the links. I think "In ___", rather than "By ____", is actually the most neutral way to make a claim. I think there are several dimensions of the issue that explain my frustration: 1. someone cherrypicks a year, uses the "as of" language, even if the claim is no longer true today 2. someone innocently documents a trend that reached an apex that year, that was no longer true as of the next year, but the language implies otherwise 3. A lot of time passes, and the language extrapolates the claim across a huge swath of time, and the claim eventually becomes a load of hot air. I'll take my manifesto to those respective pages. I see what you mean though...it also matters what follows the phrase...if you say "As of 2022, Noble Metalloid is the best Wikipedia editor", it implies it is true to the present, whereas "As of 2022, Noble Metalloid was the best Wikipedia editor" has less of an extrapolation implication. Noble Metalloid (talk) 16:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Noble Metalloid "As soon as it is 2023, anything that said "As of 2022" and isn't updated, could be false, and isn't verified." I disagree with that statement. If an article says "As of 2022, the population was 8000", then in 2023, it is still true the population was 8000 as of 2022. You seem to like "In" and "By" better, but I think "As of" is synonymous with those phrases. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @User:Noble Metalloid, @User:Nick Moyes and @User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång It's serendipitous to see this being discussed because I am currently trying to explain why the use of past tense is correct to people who guard WikiIslam. See Talk:WikiIslam#Use_of_past_tense_with_As_of I am not trying to forum shop here but it would be great if y'all could chime with your valuable thoughts. NebulaOblongata (talk) 12:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
issue with the illm template
Hi! I was trying to fix the external wikilinks used in this section of this article. I fixed two of them, but when I saw the preview of my edits, the en wiki article appearing near the Korean wiki page of Lee Chang-myung isn't related to him, since it talks about a different person that has his exact same name. I tried to fix this problem by modifying slightly the template, but it didn't work. What can I do to solve this issue? Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Bloomingbyungchan, I believe the solution would be along these lines: {{ill|Lee Chang-myung (profession)|lt=Lee Chang-myung|ko|????}}. Replace "profession" with whatever disambiguator is appropriate for the subject (actor/politician/etc.) and ???? with the title of the Korean article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I fixed the issue, so thank you so much for the advice! Bloomingbyungchan (talk) 15:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Second Username
I am new to editing on Wikipedia. Recently I opened a second username, believing that editing from both my usernames would be combined, and then I could forget about the first username, which I do not want but cannot delete. However, it seems that I have inadvertently broken Wikipedia rules. What should I do to retain only one username? I have not found an answer looking around Wikipedia pages. Xhkvfq (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Blocks are only to prevent harm to the encyclopedia. So if you weren't vandalizing or doing something else to harm the encyclopedia, it probably won't be blocked. However, you may want to edit your and the old account's user page (accessed by clicking the username in the top corner) to say that the two accounts are operated by the same person. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 18:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, but there is currently no way to delete an old account. Because we license all contributions under the CC BY-SA 3.0, deleting an account would be a breach of the license terms, as the contribution would no longer be attributed to the original author. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 18:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've done that on both talk pages. The question now is: which username should I use and what should I do with the other username? Strippedsocks (talk) 19:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pick one, forget the other exists.Slywriter (talk) 19:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ta! 82.5.195.117 (talk) 15:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- For future reference, @Xhkvfq, there are some legitimate uses of alternate accounts - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#Legitimate uses. Plus many inappropriate uses, of course (see previous section on that page). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pick one, forget the other exists.Slywriter (talk) 19:49, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've done that on both talk pages. The question now is: which username should I use and what should I do with the other username? Strippedsocks (talk) 19:44, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, but there is currently no way to delete an old account. Because we license all contributions under the CC BY-SA 3.0, deleting an account would be a breach of the license terms, as the contribution would no longer be attributed to the original author. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 18:46, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Animal science
what is the MEANING OF livestock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.228.252 (talk) 20:01, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure if you're being serious, but here is some etymology of the word. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, IP, and welcome to the Teahouse! For reference questions, the reference desk is the appropaite venue. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:15, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- For definitions of words you should look at our sister project wiktionary, which is a dictionary. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Deleting a Draft I created
Draft:Murder of Rhonda Casto, I gave up on creating this page due to notability. Is there any chance someone can delete it? `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 20:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @HelpingWorld, and welcome to the Teahouse! I've requested the page for deletion. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 20:15, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks!`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 20:18, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Barnstar
I've never given a barnstar before. Would it be appropriate to give Template:The Helping Hand Barnstar to someone who assisted me a lot when I first started editing Wikipedia? It says it's for people "who frequently help new users," but I have no idea if they help other users frequently or if it was just me. I suppose I could check their edit history. Is there a more appropriate barnstar for just basic appreciation of someone helping you? I suppose I could use Template:The Special Barnstar. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, TipsyElephant. As far as I know, there is no formal process for barnstars: you can give any barnstar you think appropriate to anybody you want. It's a form of public appreciation, but it's you (the awarder) giving the appreciation, so give it as you think fit. ColinFine (talk) 20:51, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @TipsyElephant You can give barnstars to anyone you want for any reason you want, pick whichever one best matches the message you want to give and don't fret about the details. The Barnstar Brigade and the associated barnstar police were shut down along with Esparanza nearly 16 years ago! 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Source link incorrect, and no info to replace it with
Hello,
On Kamehameha Highway, the link goes to a map of H-3.
The length listed also doesn't match the length on that incorrect source.
I emailed HIDOT to ask the correct length, but should I change the length to the source's length? Stormplatter (talk) 21:26, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Stormplatter: Didn't you ask this yesterday? Please respond there as 331dot requested. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
EDIT: I think my title is clearer now
@Tenryuu I am sure I am not typing this response in the right part of this thread (edit? page?), but I think this is where I should have put this topic.
This question has to do with not knowing the real data that should go in the edit I would make.
Here I do not know where the actual data can be found.
Do I replace the data with something else like "??? ?"
The data is not the data in the source. There is nowhere to find the data online. I am waiting on an email back from the Division of Highways.
Before I go ask this in the other topic, since this is related but different would you like me copy paste this question there?
Your help is always appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormplatter (talk • contribs) 01:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Stormplatter, if the current information is not only wrong but cited to a source that doesn't verify it, and you don't have a better source with the correct information, the simple solution is to just remove it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Is George W Bush's memoir a reliable source?
I would like to add information to his article referencing his memoir. Sebastian Cremmington (talk) 00:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Sebastian Cremmington It depends upon what you are using it as a source for. Information written by the subject of an article can be used in a limited set of situations, see WP:ABOUTSELF for the details. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 00:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is how the PEPFAR article references it, I would like to make more references like this:
- PEPFAR began with President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, and their interests in AIDS prevention, Africa, and what Bush termed “compassionate conservatism.” According to his 2010 memoir, Decision Points, the two of them developed a serious interest in improving the fate of the people of Africa after reading Alex Haley’s Roots, and visiting The Gambia in 1990. In 1998, while pondering a run for the U.S. presidency, he discussed Africa with Condoleezza Rice, his future secretary of state; she said that, if elected, working more closely with countries on that continent should be a significant part of his foreign policy. She also told him that HIV/AIDS was a central problem in Africa but that the United States was spending only $500 million per year on global AIDS, with the money spread across six federal agencies, without a clear strategy for curbing the epidemic
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President's_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief Sebastian Cremmington (talk) 00:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Blocked as a sockpuppet. 97.126.100.251 (talk) 01:33, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
How do you cite a book that has not yet been publised/uploaded to google books?
I was reading about Jose Rizal and i wanted to make a section called Rizal Law. I searched for my books and found this one book my teacher gave me, and i found some information. The information reads "Rizal Law, Also known as RA 1425, mandates the study of Rizal's life and works. This Republic Act calls for an increased sense of nationalism from the Filipinos during a time of a dwindling Filipino identity. According to the judicial system, a republic ac is a law that has already been passed and implimented." I wanted to add that information to the new section i was talking about, though i can't cite a book from real life. I googled the ISBN of the book, that being 978-971-0161-53-9. But no results were found. I went ahead to https://isbnsearch.org which was my tool for searching ISBN numbers. No results still came up, (click here.) I just know this type of information needs a citation and the section might be removed because there is no citation for the information. The book is named "A Review in the Life and Works of the First Filipino.", I also searched on google books but still no luck. Leahnn Rey (talk) 04:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Leahnn Rey: Yes, there's something odd about that ISBN. I saw an image of the book cover, which gave a different ISBN, 978-621-409-144-7, but that also doesn't find the book in any online databases. But as long as you have physical access to the book, you can still cite it – the important bibliographical info includes author names, title, year of publication, and publisher. The page number should be part of the citation, but a Google Books link is an optional extra. --bonadea contributions talk 07:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Was the book named "A Review in the Life and Works of the First Filipino"? if i'm correct, the authors' names should be Dr. Andres R. Delos Santos, Orlando H. Ramos, Vanessa D. Umali and Melvin N. Ambida. Leahnn Rey (talk) 07:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Discussion of advertising
Is there any Wikipedia guideline on advertising being discussed in articles that are not primarily about them? I searched a bit but all I really found was policies against articles that are written like advertisements. Although, it's a blurry line, so maybe those apply!
I just read the article Joker Stairs which mentions some fast food ad that was set there, listing the ad's slogan. It often happens with songs: What Have They Done to My Song Ma mentions three ads that used the song, listing the mangled lyrics in each case. I'm sure the creatives behind these throwaway ads are thrilled to have them immortalised on Wikipedia but I don't see how they can be considered notable. The ads didn't matter enough to get their own articles. If licensing a song for a while is enough for your otherwise unrelated slogan to become a notable fact about that song on Wikipedia forever, well, that's a great deal. Call apogee say aardvark (talk) 04:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Call apogee say aardvark, welcome to the Teahouse. There's an essay which lays out our general approach to what could be called "pop culture cruft" - this section is particularly relevant. Basically, any such mentions should "contain verifiable information with sources that establish its significance to the article's subject". The Joker Stairs mention might qualify; very few of the ones in the song article seem to do so. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Koimoi
As per "WP:ICTFSOURCES", Koimoi is not a reliable source. Many film articles including "Gangubai Kathiawadi", "Vikram (2022 film)" mentioned critical review published by Koimoi. So, should I remove them from every film article which contain review by Koimoi like this or keep them there?. (@Venkat TL, @Ab207, @Fylindfotberserk, @ScottishFinnishRadish)I would like to ping some users to get their comments also. Grabup (talk) 04:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Grabup: Better to avoid when you have other quality reviews, neutral when there are fewer reviews. Every review is an WP:RSOPINION after all. -- Ab207 (talk) 04:54, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Grabup: I'd say not to use them as well as many such sources deemed unreliable at WP:ICTF. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Grabup This is not the right place to have this discussion. This thread should be moved to WP:ICTF. And linked from the talk pages of the articles discussed. Venkat TL (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Moved by Grabup to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Indian_cinema_task_force#Koimoi Venkat TL (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Grabup This is not the right place to have this discussion. This thread should be moved to WP:ICTF. And linked from the talk pages of the articles discussed. Venkat TL (talk) 14:26, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Grabup: I'd say not to use them as well as many such sources deemed unreliable at WP:ICTF. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Neutrality of the Article: Pugazh (actor)
Hi there! I recently came across this article: Pugazh (actor). There are lines which seem to be promotional and are not in a neutral point of view. I would like to know if the promotional content must be removed from the article for which Copywriting is needed as well. I have removed a couple of those points too.
Thank you! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 05:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Deletion - EdUBudgie Linux
I decided to create a wikipedia page a month ago about software that I work on. I marked it as something that I work on so that there is transparency. I opened a draft page. a month later it is deleted. The person said that it doesnt conform to standards - which I know - it is a DRAFT and hasnt even been worked on. My understanding was that we have 6 months for a draft page? This is literally saved in my bookmarks to work on in the coming month, it is a DRAFT, and it was deleted. Can someone please explain this? are things jsut deleted randomly?? Teacheradamodix (talk) 06:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, @Teacheradamodix, and welcome to the teahouse! Your draft appears to of been deleted under G2 of the speedy deletion criteria. I would recommend contacting the deleting administrator (in this case, Liz) if you feel that this was a mistake. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 08:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
My article keeps getting rejected!
Hi,
I have been working on this article for a long time already Draft:Renderforest. I have eliminated all the possible promotional parts, left purely informational text such as what products Renderforest offers and the history of their creation.
I once got rejected beacuse I inlcuded the pricing, regardless the fact that other companies such as Canva does that. (I don't know, should I feel hurt that others have the right to do that but not me : ( )
This time I got rejected because the article reminds the reviewer of a listicle, however I have been inspired by Picsart which literally states their history and the products they have.
Can someone guide me and help me understand what's wrong?
Thanks beforehand!
RosiGhalach (talk) 07:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- RosiGhalach Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think that you have a common, fundamental misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is and what it does. Wikipedia is not for merely providing information; it is an encyclopedia and not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves and what they do. This is considered promotional here, you don't have to be soliciting customers or selling something. Any article about your company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. This means sources must be
- independent- the source cannot be affiliated with the company
- reliable- the source must have a reputation of fact checking and editorial control
- significant coverage- the source must do more than merely report the activities of the company, and/or be more than a brief mention. It must go into what others deem significant about the company(not what the company considers to be significant about itself)
- chosen on their own to write about it- the source must not be prompted by the company to write about it, or be writing based on materials from the company itself, like its website, or an interview with a company official, or its press releases.
- The article that you cite, Picsart, has some of the same problems as your draft, thank you for pointing it out. I have marked it as problematic. It is not usually a good idea to cite other similar articles as a reason for yours to exist- it could be that these other articles are inappropriate. See other stuff exists. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. We can only address what we know about. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Upon a deeper dive, the Picsart article has a much stronger notability claim(a much downloaded app). 331dot (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- "The platform is free to download"? What does that mean? What platform, none has been previously mentioned. And how do you download a platform? Maproom (talk) 18:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft
Hi, How long will it take for this page to appear on Wikipedia as a final published page? I have read all the suggestions and comments,however,I am finding it hard and complicated to apply those.Can anyone please tell me in step by step simple words how to get my page published.Thank you.
Link to my draft: Draft:Badri Bahadur Karki NepLekhak (talk) 08:59, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- NepLekhak Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It cannot be a published article(not a "page") until you submit it via Articles for Creation- but if you were to do so now, it would be rejected, as it needs more before it can be in the main encyclopedia. The good news is that you are writing about an attorney general of Nepal, so notability is there. You must now take the sources you have and summarize what they say, and then format the references to appear within the article text- see Referencing for Beginners. You may also wish to read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- NepLekhak After you properly insert refs into the text, following the content being referenced, the software inserts a number at those positions and adds the refs under References. David notMD (talk) 19:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Renaming a draft article
I want to rename a draft article for lollipop chart to lollipop plot.
How do I change the name in the draft space? ScientistBuilder (talk) 12:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi ScientistBuilder, see Help:How to move a page. In the drop-down box for the article namespace, make sure to keep it as "Draft" if that's what you intend. DanCherek (talk) 12:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Articles With Similar Names.
Hey there,
I'm attempting to create an article for the Southworth Library, in Dartmouth MA. There's already another article titled 'Southworth Library,' so I made sure to type 'Dartmouth Massachusetts,' in brackets next to the name Southworth. However, even though this article is currently a draft. I was wondering how to put a link to the other Southworth Library akin to what's occurring in the Kevin Malone article. Like whether its a simple copy and paste - or if it requires additional formatting.
Thank you,
AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 14:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi AdmiralAckbar1977. There's a template {{for}} (and several similar templates) that can be put at the top of the source code of articles to distinguish them when WP:disambiguation pages are not needed. I wouldn't worry about that for the present. If and when your new draft is accepted, the experienced editor who does so will sort out that type of issue. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Verifiable source
Hello, how would I be able to challenge an edits source as truth? Also, if a page is about a living person can they challenge an edit as being true? 98.45.202.132 (talk) 14:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome. Edits are made based on verifiability, with the addition of reliable sources. See WP:TRUTH and WP:BLP. Kpddg (talk) 14:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- If a living person (or relative or friend) wants to dispute content, the proper path is to explain their connection to the person the article is about, and then propose changed - with reference(s) on the Talk page of the article rather than edit the article directly. David notMD (talk) 16:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
This is the user's total time behind me.
This is the user's total time behind me. I am not spreading vandalism(User:Timtrent) DotServer (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @DotServer, welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that you are using this account, which is declared to be a bot, along with another account of yours to edit war at Uttar Pradesh Power Corporation Limited, with which it is believed you have a conflict of interest. Please clarify your connection - if any - and discuss these issues on the talk page rather than repeatedly re-adding material. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @DotServer, If you think that you didn't vandalised then you should start a discussion with @Timtrent, Instead of edit war. Grabup (talk) 17:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- But Sir Total Time Follow me DotServer (talk) 17:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Grabup please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheManishPanwar and make any additions to it that you see fit.
- With this "pair" I see UPE and sock puppetry 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @DotServer I am most assuredly monitoring your edits. You have stretched my good faith very close to its elastic limit. Please read and take action on WP:PAID. Further if this account is a Bot, where is the bot approval, and why are you editing from the account personally? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 17:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @DotServer, Wikipedia is open to everyone. You can also revert my edits if I vandalise. Anyone can follow anyone's contribution history to check what that user is doing. There is nothing wrong in it. Grabup (talk) 17:24, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- But Sir Total Time Follow me DotServer (talk) 17:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Removing from list of COI edit requests
Hi everyone,
I recently finished two edit requests that were on the list of COI edit requests. However, I do not know how to remove them from the list. Does the completion need to be verified or accepted by someone else first? Or am I able to go ahead and edit the list directly? Or is there a specific place it needs to be archived?
The two I completed were St Jude's and First Republic Bank :)
Thanks,
Kingapresa Kingapresa (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello @Kingapresa, welcome to the Teahouse. Per Template:Request edit/Instructions#For reviewers, once you've implemented a request, you should change the edit request template to read {{request edit|A}}. This will mark it as complete and move it to the category of implemented requests. Thanks for helping with the backlog! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Got it! Thanks again. Kingapresa (talk) 18:35, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
I'm Trying to Publish My Biography
Hello,
This is Nazia Preema. I'm a Visual Artist/Entrepreneur/ Creative Influencer. I'm trying to upload my biography in wikipidia. but my content got kick under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion but there is no promotional words in my content. I'm just trying to upload my biography because I have lot of achievements to do that. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OEzRFHDzqJqp0SHdaN5TedUEMlBbbNwQtdpTM3GWjk0/edit?usp=sharing here is my content. Please anyone help me to review this content. Nazia Preema (talk) 17:24, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Miss @Nazia Preema, I would like to tell you that you can't create your own Biography article in Wikipedia or anyone close to you can't create article about you. Wikipedia is based on Independence reliable sources. You can't have a Wikipedia page if you don't meet WP:GNG. Grabup (talk) 17:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Nazia Preema and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia which has articles on notable subjects as written about in independent sources that are both reliable and verifiable (See Wp:RS). I think you should read WP:AUTOBIO before proceeding further with any attempt to add your own biography to the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf 17:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Nazia Preema you may want to read: Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Nazia Preema and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia which has articles on notable subjects as written about in independent sources that are both reliable and verifiable (See Wp:RS). I think you should read WP:AUTOBIO before proceeding further with any attempt to add your own biography to the encyclopedia. --ARoseWolf 17:44, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
TV Films which are actually 2 episode TV Series
Over the years I've noticed that some British TV series which consist of 2 episodes, and occasionally 3 episodes, get added to IMDb and Wikipedia, as TV films when they aren't films, as the 2+ episodes, sometimes with episode titles too, and 2+ sets of credits suggest.
I've corrected quite a few 2 episode British productions on IMDB over the last few years (all of which I've forgotten, apart from the one I've nearly finished correcting on IMDB right now) by changing them from TV films to TV series along with moving all the credits to their respective episodes, and checking them along the way.
However I'm not sure if I should rename the articles about those British 2 episode TV series on Wikipedia too, from TV films to TV series which is what they actually are.
Should they be renamed from TV films to TV series, or are the guidelines about 2 episode TV series different on Wikipedia? Danstarr69 (talk) 18:15, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello @Danstarr69, I think the best place to ask this question would be the talk page of a relevant Wikiproject, like WP:FILM, or WP:TELEVISION. Regards. Lightbluerain (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 11:16, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Use of Twitter as Journalistic Citation
Hi! New editor here. I have a question about the use of Twitter as a substantive citation for information on a subject. My first edit was on a writer's page, Claire Vaye Watkins. I wanted to add a section for her newest novel, similar to the sub-headings for her other books. There was a section on apparent abuse allegations that I thought was a little strange because it used a Tweet as its citation and seemed spurious. I removed this section, citing BLP standards, but it was re-added in another edit a few days later by the same editor who had initially added it. I'm not really sure what to do. I elided the allegation into the section on her most recent novel as it seemed most pertinent there, but I feel really strange about even keeping it at all. I'd really appreciate some help here as it seems like another editor might be acting in bad faith. Thank you! Somedays2you (talk) 18:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Somedays2you You are spot on to be concerned. WP:TWITTER makes it clear we can use tweets to support info about the person who is tweeting, but not to base Wikipedia allegations about a 3rd party on just one tweet. There's also some interpretation going on there yb the other editor, so it needs to be removed. Often, the best way is to take action by removing BLP content, then raise the issue to explain your rationale with the other editor. I'll drop by their page and warn them off doing that again. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- And WP:RSP further states that community consensus is that Twitter is questionable in most cases. Twitter should not be used to source controversial information such as these claims. Very good intuition Somedays2you. @Nick explains everything else exceptionally. You might point the editor to WP:RSP and WP:TWITTER so they are made aware if they did not know. =) --ARoseWolf 18:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Nick! That's so helpful. My first instinct was to remove it, but when I saw it was re-added in a later post, I didn't want to get close to edit warring or anything. Somedays2you (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Somedays2you You did well. It is actually better to protect someone's reputation by edit warring and by following BLP policy, than it is to to leave possibly correct yet unsubstantiated claims on Wikipedia on fear of being accused of edit-warring. A look at the other editoes contributions suggests they are focussed on 'righting great wrongs'. But ours is not the place to do that. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
How to specify vertical alignment of images with thumbs?
Hi! I'm trying to figure out how to keep images contained in subheadings, as the location of the images on the page I'm working on aren't corresponding to the section they belong to. I've looked at the Extended Image Syntax Page and the Help Images page in MediaWiki but it appears that vertical alignment commands only worked on frameless images? I was wondering if there was a way to make my images in thumbs float to the right, with the text being at the top and the next section not starting until after the image? One way I thought to do that was by just adding a lot of enters but I'm concerned that won't look the same across different devices? I did it for the first section just so you can get an idea of what I was trying for. Thank you so much! Stringbeans688 (talk) 19:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Stringbeans688 Have you tried using
{{clear}}
at the bottom of each section? That te,plate forces clear space before the next section and its related image displays. The amount of space is determined by the amount of overlap of the image above it. So you should get nice, neat alignment. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2022 (UTC)- It works, thank you so much!!
- Stringbeans688 (talk) 23:02, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thanks for the feedback. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Charles V's signature face
Hello.
For months it has... bugged me how in Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor's article the "primary image"—the image that gets shown when you hover over the hyperlink, etc.—is his signature. Based on the Talk page there, that issue has been there for at least a year and a half by now. Thing is, I have compared Charles V's infobox with some other royals with not-so-linear primary images, and there seems to be no difference between them. Now I'm thinking maybe the issue is with his portrait, but figured that it's better to ask here first before I do anything drastic.
How does Wikipedia determine which image in the article is the "primary" one, and why is it convinced in this case that the signature should be it? Yo.dazo (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo, for some users preview images are determined by this gadget: mw:Extension:PageImages, which is part of mw:Page Previews, while folks with accounts can use Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups if they so choose.
- The problem here seems to be the dimensions of the two images - the software picks which to preview based on various factors, including the dimensions, and in this case the signature's dimensions seem to rate more highly than the portrait. See mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice for details. There's a way to force a certain image into the preview for the Navigation popups tool, but not, apparently, for PageImages (that I'm seeing). The images themselves might have to be tweaked until the portrait's dimensions are more acceptable. Unless there's a much easier way that I'm missing (very likely the case!). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:06, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The real experts on this sort of thing tend to hang out at WP:VPT, incidentally, though one of those experts who also answers queries at the Teahouse might wander by and give a better answer. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! It kinda seemed to me that that's the case as well—the signature is perfectly square, while the portrait is significantly taller. Cropping the portrait feels too much though, so I'll probably wait for a WP:VPT folk to bring up a possible solution. Maybe even forward the question there. Yo.dazo (talk) 22:57, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- The real experts on this sort of thing tend to hang out at WP:VPT, incidentally, though one of those experts who also answers queries at the Teahouse might wander by and give a better answer. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Mathematicians people are interested in?
Hey, I'm doing a project with my uni where we are adding mathematicians to Wikipedia who have MacTutor pages, but not Wikipedia ones. I was just wondering if anyone happens to know a mathematician who they think needs a Wikipedia page or needs their page editing? Exp2002 (talk) 21:36, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Exp2002, and welcome to the Teahouse. It might be more effective if you asked at WT:MATH. In any case, please remember to make sure that anybody you want to write an article about meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, or you will be wasting your time. I wish we could get people out of the habit of talking about subjects "having" - still less "needing" - Wikipedia pages. I know that this is a common way of talking about it, but it easily misleads people into imagining that an article about somebody is in any way for that person's benefit. End of rant. ColinFine (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC) If it's ranting time, ColinFine, let me join the party! "The notability of X is such that a decent encyclopedia needs a page about X" is painfully prolix; "X needs a page" is far better. I'm happy to observe that lots of people have pages. Although I find myself ever less inclined to start new pages, I'm happy that over the years I've identified a number of people who didn't have pages, who needed them, and who now have them. If we tell each other that an article about somebody should not be motivated by the potential benefit for that person, fine; but if we say that a good, policy-compliant page about somebody in no way benefits that person, we're kidding ourselves. -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Exp2002. I've posted a student-specific welcome on your talk page. I don't know if anyone in your group has been in touch with the folks at Meta:Wiki Education Foundation; it's often recommended that instructors contact them about assignments on Wikipedia (contact info is on that page). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Exp2002 Further to what ColinFine has just suggested, I'd like to highlight a project we have here called Women in Red. It aims to redress the gender imbalance here by encouraging articles to be created about notable women. The Women in Red project maintain numerous lists by subject area of possible women who might merit a new article about them. So please check these two lists out:
- Note that the former also contains a section on existing articles on female mathematicians that need improvement in some way. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Exp2002: See also Wikipedia:Requested articles/Mathematics#Mathematicians for a list where anyone can add names. It has not been examined whether they satisfy our requirements. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Need ProQuest user
Is there anyone who has access to ProQuest? I am expanding some article and I need to access ProQuest to read some historical news article. If anyone can help me then let me know. Mehedi Abedin 22:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mehediabedin: If you go to WP:REX and post what article you want, someone there is likely to help you. (Someone here may help you, but the Resource Exchange is the usual place for such help.) Deor (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, @Mehediabedin, in case you didn't know, you can probably get access to ProQuest yourself through the Wikipedia Library - you appear to be eligible! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Is there a limit to how many people I can add to the "notable people" section of a town's page?
Hi, I'm currently updating the page for my town, South Kingstown, Rhode Island, and I was wondering if there's a limit to the amount of people I can put in the "notable people" section. I am considering just putting everyone from Category:People from South Kingstown, Rhode Island into the "notable people" section, but idk if that would be allowed or not, especially considering it's like 60 people and that's not even everyone from SK who has a wiki page about themself. SusImposter49 (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- I may be out of date about this, SusImposter49, but the last time I looked there was no guideline for this. When investigating longish lists of "notable people" (people who demonstrably are notable, as well as those who've improbably got articles, or just parts of articles, about themselves), I start by seeing whether the articles about them provide clear evidence of a connection to the place. Often the articles do not. If not, I remove them. For each of those who remain, I add one or more references, such that reference #24 will verify that "Joe Bloggs (1897–1949), paleontologist24" (which itself is quite likely to require more than one reference) was born in or lived in, South Kingstown. If this sounds laborious, it is; but you only need to fact-check and reference three or so of these notables at a time, day after day.... -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- and sometimes so many people are notable you end up with List_of_Georgetown_University_alumni Slywriter (talk) 01:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pfft. I quickly noticed some surprises, Slywriter. As an example, some bloke whose claim to our attention is that he was "Grandson of Dr. Samuel Mudd; led efforts to posthumously rehabilitate his grandfather's name". I'm all for rehabilitating the names of the unjustly censured, but surprised that this would prompt an article. So I clicked on what appeared to be a link to one Richard Mudd. It wasn't: it was instead a link to one section within the article on grandpa Samuel. To be fair, the surrounding entries do have their own articles -- but a high percentage of these articles are about people whose claims to notability seem pretty feeble. It's almost as if there'd been a major effort to increase the "profile" of Georgetown U. -- Hoary (talk) 02:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- thank you for the information sir! SusImposter49 (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- The guideline is at WP:LISTPEOPLE, but it doesn't really add anything to what others have said above. Shantavira|feed me 08:23, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- and sometimes so many people are notable you end up with List_of_Georgetown_University_alumni Slywriter (talk) 01:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
How to add image on infobox
I can't added the picture in infobox. Tell me how to image fix and setup in infobox.ᱥᱮᱨᱢᱟ (talk) 00:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, ᱥᱮᱨᱢᱟ, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can use the image parameter by adding
|image = example image.png
- inside the infobox. This describes it further. Perfect4th (talk) 00:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Notable? NFP
Morning everyone,
I work for an event management organisation who works closely with an NFP (ANZMHA, https://anzmh.asn.au). They're one of the main providers of professional development through conferences in Australia for mental health sector professionals. Their events host up to 400 professionals per event, providing them with 13-15 hours of CPD per person/event. Meaning they facilitate between 41,600 and 48,000 professional development hours to mental health professionals every year.
I'm wondering if that's notable enough? The problem is that the association behind it isn't really ever "in the spotlight", as the conferences themselves are what most people in the sector are aware of rather then the association (i.e. International Mental Health Conference, Stop Domestic Violence Conference, Indigenous Wellbeing Conference, etc.). Would it still be worthy of a Wikipedia article? If so, would I be able to create one (I work with them, and I realise you can't post articles about persons close to you).
Thanks for your help.
Cheers, Lorien LorienANZMHA (talk) 01:10, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- hi @LorienANZMHA and welcome to the teahouse! notability and your ability to create an articlr is determined purely through the reliable sources you get that are independent from your company, not whether or not how big they are or whether they are in the spotlight (although either increases the likelihood of there being sources). you can use the following links to find reliable sources, probably through news: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · NYT · WP Library. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also, @LorienANZMHA, please take some time to review WP:PAID and make an appropriate declaration on your user page (located at User:LorienANZMHA). Thank you for being upfront about your COI and asking questions before jumping into the deep end of article creation! 174.21.23.32 (talk) 01:39, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- For the final part of your questions, LorienANZMHA, it is acceptable for paid editors to create draft articles via the appropriate process. Note that volunteer editors (the majority of us) will expect a certain degree of competence from you: we are not here to clean up after you, although will always try to help if you have additional general questions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Archive bot template
Are we free to add an archive template by a bot taking responsibility on any talk page? Goodvibes500 (talk) 02:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Goodvibes500 Yes, except other editors' User Talk pages. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
life
confusing life 115.242.150.130 (talk) 05:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- The teahouse is for questions not for discussions.`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 08:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Combine general and inline references into a single reflist
Please see the references section of 1974 ARFU Asian Rugby Championship. There is a reference related to the entire document numbered as 11, and other inline references numbered from 1 to 11 (different 11 from the above). I would like to combine them into a nicely formatted single reference list numbered from 1 to 12. How can I implement this?
This is my first time writing something in the village pump. If I wrote in the wrong bulletin or there is something inappropriate, please let me know. Regpath (talk) 06:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Regpath Ref #11 is not actually a general reference for the entire article. I'm afraid a misplaced reference is probably the least of that article's problems, it requires quite a bit of fixing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Dodger67 If you read the article and the reference very carefully, then you would think it is not a general reference. But that is just an example of whether it is correct or not. I just wanted to know how to make the combined list. I should have added this comment when I first ask this question. Thanks. Regpath (talk) 08:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Moved ref to Finals section David notMD (talk) 08:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- An unusual feature of that article is that most of the references aren't cited in support of anything, they're links to further relevant information. Maproom (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maproom I'd call it a fault rather than a feature. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Suggestions for improving a draft article (academic/artist biography)
Good Morning,
I hope everyone is well! I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, all of which are welcome, about how I could make my draft article more publishable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:William_John_Titus_Bishop
Many thanks and Kind Regards, John JohnEricHiggs (talk) 07:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- There are multiple things wrong with your article such as references and the layout. First of all, google is not a source and second some of your sources need to be full such as your fifth ref, look at your other refs for help. Happy editing!`~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 08:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for this - I've corrected the references! What else would you suggest? JohnEricHiggs (talk) 09:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- hi @JohnEricHiggs! I'd also suggest using {{Infobox artist}} in the article to detail their information instead of a table, which automatically does the infobox code for you and allows you to set it up much more easily than using a table. to learn how infoboxes work, please check Infobox. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 10:33, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @JohnEricHiggs Most critically, I can't see anything that shows this person meet sour notability critieria - neither WP:NMUSIC, WP:NBIO, or WP:NACADEMIC. All the rest of the issues are irrelevant if those criteria cannot be met. As I see it he's released some music (any awards or chart hits for them?) and published some poetry (used by one university where he once taught). I fear you're going to need to find much stronger sources to support Notability. I also believe you have an undeclared Conflict of Interest in writing about Bishop. Please ensure you declare it before continuing to edit. Sorry about that. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Nick, thanks for the comment.
- I have noted that I have no conflict of interest. I have no connection to the topic. I have mentioned some awards in the draft and the publication mentioned is an academic text. Please look again, but I believe the criteria for Academic notability is met. I will re-dreaft some of the material accordingly. Many thanks. JohnEricHiggs (talk) 12:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for this - I've corrected the references! What else would you suggest? JohnEricHiggs (talk) 09:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
JohnEricHiggs In my opinion, the music career is not notable, the academic career is not notable, and the mentioned awards are minor. David notMD (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi David,
- Thank you for your comments. I think it's a lot to ask that someone be notable for both academic activity and popular music. I will go over the criteria as mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(academics).
- Kind Regards and Many Thanks JohnEricHiggs (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- One of the press releases here [4] appears to have been written by a John Higgs, yet you say you have no conflict of interest? Theroadislong (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Issues with Recent Changes filter
Good day!
When patrolling recent changes, I often have the issue that some groups of filters are not showing up. For example, I load the page, it loads my default filters, but omits the "bad faith" or "has problems" filters. When opening the filter selector, they are not visible there either. I often have to reload the page multiple times for all filters to show up.
Does anyone have a solution for this Problem? Or is it just a general Wikipedia problem?
Thank you. Kvoou ❯❯❯ Talk 08:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I too face this problem many times. I think it's just a glitch... Kpddg (talk) 10:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Paid Wikipedia
Why does not Wikipedia pay its users to edit pages, I throught editing is paid. Birgontaur (talk) 12:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Birgontaur. Contributions to Wikipedia are made solely on a volunteer basis. No one is paid to edit. Kpddg (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Birgontaur (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- User:Birgontaur - You may have been misled by companies that provide the "service" of creating Wikipedia pages for hire for companies and individuals and who advertise that "service". They are not associated with Wikipedia except as editors. Wikipedia strongly discourages using them, and has conflict of interest rules requiring that they disclose their paid status. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Birgontaur (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Editing
hello,I would love to know how to add color or designs to my name after I sign (e.g like that of @Kpddg). Uricdivine (talk) 13:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Uricdivine. There's general advice at WP:FANCYSIG. I suggest you don't go overboard with your signature as that can make it difficult for others to see and/or work out who you are. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Messy sandbox
I'm totally confused about the Sandbox feature. From the directions about creating one, I thought I had to do so with a new name for it. But now I think I've got 2 basic user names, and I want to delete the one I created for my sandbox. Then I want to create my sandbox properly. Helllpppp! Augnablik (talk) 13:43, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- To create your main sandbox, Augnablik
just click on this link, add something, and "publish changes". Editors can have more than one sandbox if they like but for the moment you probably don't need that. Welcome to Wikipedia! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)- Incidentally, if you think you've got two Usernames (i.e. accidentally created two accounts), can you let us know the name associated with the one not called "Augnablik"? Then I or someone else can provide further advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think my other sandbox was Augnablik-box or Augnabliksandbox or something like that. I went to a place I copied the name when I set it up, but now it doesn't look right because it's only BOX. Hope you can find it.
- Thank you so much for creating the right sandbox. Augnablik (talk) 17:16, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I went and created the sandbox for you, since there is a template that can be added at the top which is useful and I've added it. So now see User:Augnablik/sandbox, a blue-link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have checked using Special:ListUsers and it would appear you created User:Augnablikbox (not a sandbox but a user page). That new account has made no edits but depending how you did it may have an associated password. User accounts usually can't be deleted because Wikipedia needs to keep a record of who edited what. However, I don't know the policy about deleting a never-used account. Anyway, my advice is to ignore that Username and stick to editing when logged on to Augnablik. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Incidentally, if you think you've got two Usernames (i.e. accidentally created two accounts), can you let us know the name associated with the one not called "Augnablik"? Then I or someone else can provide further advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, @Augnablik. On another note, I see you've been inserting commented-out remarks into various articles, and are confused about why they've been removed. The reason is that cleanup efforts on Wikipedia should be done through the use of templates or comments on talk pages, not in-line "invisible" commentary; you can see a long, long list of clean-up templates here - you'll get the commonly used ones memorized if you stick around long enough, but for now, just scrolling through the list and looking for a template that matches the problem is probably the best approach. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks again. I discovered that today on my own, but the need to use a template was not at all clear as far as I recall in any instructions. If you have any clout with the higher-ups in Wikipedia who design editor training, I think it would be very helpful to really explain how to do this sort of thing early on as an editor. Augnablik (talk) 17:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- The only folks who might meet the definition of "higher-ups who design editor training" are the ones in the WMF Growth team, with whom I have absolutely no clout whatsoever. The Wikipedia Adventure was put together to try to help newcomers, other people place welcome messages with useful links onto user talk pages, and of course there are places like this one, where new folks are often directed so they can ask questions and (hopefully) get friendly, helpful answers. Feel free to drop by and ask any more questions you may have, @Augnablik! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:46, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks again. I discovered that today on my own, but the need to use a template was not at all clear as far as I recall in any instructions. If you have any clout with the higher-ups in Wikipedia who design editor training, I think it would be very helpful to really explain how to do this sort of thing early on as an editor. Augnablik (talk) 17:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Remove conflict of interest
Hi how to i remove a conflict of interest on my page as I declared it accidentaly, I tried to fix it now ive been told there is a risk of ban of editing. This was a gueniune error could you please help. Stanford M (talk) 15:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think you removed it correctly. On another note, if you want to delete a page in your userspace, add
{{db-u1}}
to the top of it. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 15:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)- And also, it would be nice if you kept it there if you actually had a conflict of interest. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 15:59, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Removing is far more likely to get you banned. Your COI is not why you were warned about banning, it was being disruptive to the talk page of the heavily promotional draft. Slywriter (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: Both a page in mainspace (The Shared Learning Trust) and draftspace (Draft:The Shared Learning Trust) exist. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:14, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Stanford M, You can remove the COI tag, as you did, but it looks highly suspicious that you added the COI tag back in October of 2021 and only just requested to remove it after a draft you created was rejected at AfC and the same day you created a page in main space with the same name. You edited for months with the tag and didn't see the issue with having it on your user page? The only change now is the article you created is being challenged by other editors. Even assuming good faith you can't see how that would look odd to an outside neutral observer? --ARoseWolf 16:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Can someone please help me put the following blockquote into 2 columns
Gather thy greatness round, Arion! Stand in state,
As when the banqueting thrilled conscious—like a rose
Throughout its hundred leaves at that approach it knows
Of music in the bird—while Corinth grew one breast
A-throb for song and thee; nay, Periander pressed
The Methymnæan hand, and felt a king indeed, and guessed
How Phœbus' self might give that great mouth of the gods
Such a magnificence of song! The pillar nods,
Rocks roof, and trembles door, gigantic, post and jamb,
As harp and voice rend air—the shattering dithyramb!
So stand thou, and assume the robe that tingles yet
With triumph; strike the harp, whose every golden fret
Still smoulders with the flame, was late at fingers' end—
So, standing on the bench o' the ship, let voice expend
Thy soul; sing, unalloyed by meaner mode, thine own,
The Orthian lay; then leap from music's lofty throne;
Into the lowest surge make fearlessly thy launch!
Whatever storm may threat, some dolphin will be stanch!
Whatever roughness rage, some exquisite sea-thing
Will surely rise to save, will bear—palpitating—
One proud humility of love beneath its load—
Stem tide, part wave, till both roll on thy jewell'd road
Of triumph, and the grim o' the gulf grow wonder-white
I' the phosphorescent wake; and still the exquisite
Sea-thing stems on, saves still, palpitatingly thus,
Lands safe at length its load of love at Tænarus,
True woman-creature!
𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Try this:
Gather thy greatness round, Arion! Stand in state,
As when the banqueting thrilled conscious—like a rose
Throughout its hundred leaves at that approach it knows
Of music in the bird—while Corinth grew one breast
A-throb for song and thee; nay, Periander pressed
The Methymnæan hand, and felt a king indeed, and guessed
How Phœbus' self might give that great mouth of the gods
Such a magnificence of song! The pillar nods,
Rocks roof, and trembles door, gigantic, post and jamb,
As harp and voice rend air—the shattering dithyramb!
So stand thou, and assume the robe that tingles yet
With triumph; strike the harp, whose every golden fret
Still smoulders with the flame, was late at fingers' end—
So, standing on the bench o' the ship, let voice expend
Thy soul; sing, unalloyed by meaner mode, thine own,
The Orthian lay; then leap from music's lofty throne;
Into the lowest surge make fearlessly thy launch!
Whatever storm may threat, some dolphin will be stanch!
Whatever roughness rage, some exquisite sea-thing
Will surely rise to save, will bear—palpitating—
One proud humility of love beneath its load—
Stem tide, part wave, till both roll on thy jewell'd road
Of triumph, and the grim o' the gulf grow wonder-white
I' the phosphorescent wake; and still the exquisite
Sea-thing stems on, saves still, palpitatingly thus,
Lands safe at length its load of love at Tænarus,
True woman-creature!
- MrOllie (talk) 19:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do you know how I can reduce the space between the columns? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ficaia I think that the whole point of the {{Columns-start}} and related templates is that they occupy the full width available to each reader's browser. Hence there should be no need to force anything. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do you know how I can reduce the space between the columns? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
How to remove an extra line of space
In an article I'm editing, there are several places where there's an extra line of space between alerts such as "See XXX for further information." In one case, I noticed an initially hidden command like this:
+ INSERT
Nothing I do is getting rid of these extraneous lines. What's the right way to do it? Augnablik (talk) 17:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik: Welcome to the Teahouse. From what you're describing, you're using the visual editor. You don't; those are included to make inserting in those areas (usually between templates) easier. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:35, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
What does a symbol like this mean? The vertical bar is a little taller in the symbol I'm trying to describe, but not much.
<---| Augnablik (talk) 17:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, can you link the article you're trying to edit (or just tell us the name)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately not, because I decided to get rid of the symbol. Or in this case, symbols, plural, one at the beginning of a phrase an the other at the end. I saw the same symbol in another article I edited when I first began editing in Wikipedia and wondered about it then.
- From your question, I guess you too aren't quite sure what it means. Next time I run into the symbol, I'll post it here for you. Thanks for taking interest in this. Augnablik (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Augnablik, were you talking about this line in Punjabi culture?
- <!-- Include
- That was part of a hidden comment, which you removed, asking that the fact it followed be more precisely dated. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Is there a permitted way to ask other wikipedia editors to weigh in on AfD debates
Dear friends. Thank you to each of you for making Wikipedia such a healthy and useful tool. With the guidance of some helpful veteran wiki editors, I have been able to start a few wikipedia articles. Invariably one of my entries is now in an Afd (article for deletion) desiussion. In my opinion, the answer should be Keep, but of course I am biased. :-)
I know that you are not supposed to canvas people to take a side in an Afd debates. However I have seen in one of the category portals that some editors ask for help from other editors to weigh in on Afd debates. Is that a normative practice? Is there a page or group on wikipedia where you can ask others for help for Afd? Similarly, if I made relationship with another experienced editor, am I allowed to ask her to give an honest opinion in the Afd debate?
Any guidance you can give would be very appreciated. I thank you in advance. PaulPachad (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi PaulPachad and thanks for asking. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate_notification (as well as the rest of that policy page). Shantavira|feed me 18:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Shantavira Thank you Shantavira|feed me. I appreciate the reference. This was very helpful. The article mentions asking for help in:
- A central location (such as the Village pump or other relevant noticeboards)
- Is that true even for an AfD debate? Which central location is appropriate to ask for others to weigh in? (aside from the wikiproject page)
- Thank you in advance. PaulPachad (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
What happens if two editors keep trying to make their edits "stick" and delete the other's edits?
Not sure I can add much more in a message to describe what I'm asking than the question itself. I'm sure it must have come up from time to time in Wikipedia editing. Can this sort of thing just go on and on forever, or might someone step in at some point? Augnablik (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- That's called edit warring and usually one or both editors wind up blocked. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- But what if they each have, or at least one believes he has, very good reason to make the edits? There really could be a good guy and a bad guy, to overly simplify a situation, and the bad guy just wants to paint things his way whereas the good guy is really concerned about that. So if both editors could get blocked, the good guy and a number of readers lose.
- I suppose what I wanted to hear is that there were Wiki courts, so to speak, where someone well equipped to handle such a situation listens to both editors and tries to make a decision accordingly. Augnablik (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Augnablik. "I am right" is a really really unhelpful way to enter a discussion: a much more productive one is "How can we reach a consensus that we can all accept?". Dispute resolution explains the steps to take if it the people involved do not seem to be able to reach consensus. ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Is this about Language demographics of Quebec? You inserted invisible-to-the-reader comments into the article that were better expressed as a discussion on the Talk page. ClueBot, an automated program, reverted your changes. As noted above, if in a dispute with a living editor, talk it to Talk, and in not resolved there, to Dispute resolution. David notMD (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I need reliable source
Hello, please anyone I need reliable sources to make my own page for the first time. They ones I have tried creating in the past I end up submitting them for deletion to to the fact that information there is unsourced and not from reliable sources. Mostly trivia is what I see when I try to search about a topic of interest online. Any one with the time I beg of you to please send me multiple links to reliable sources I would really appreciate,Thank you. Uricdivine (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Uricdivine, Interestingly, Wikipedia is not for writing "autobiographies"; in case if I understand you rightly. Do you want to write about "yourself" or about a specific subject? Please be specific in your answer. ─ The Aafī (talk) 20:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- I suggest that you read carefully reliable sources, and look at the table in WP:RSPS. You can ask questions about specific sources at WP:RSN, where experts in sourcing will help you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
@ TheAafi I wouldn't need reliable source to write about myself now would I?. I didn't say the name of the page I am about to create is because I didn't want other editors doing it before me. And yes I am writing about a specific topic and is not about myself it's about an actor who has received considerable coverable and appearances and also has played a role movie whereby thy real name is the title of the film...Anyways that all information I can give and please if you have reliable sources I would really appreciate thanks so much Uricdivine (talk) 20:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Uricdivine, Thanks for the reply. All you need is to understand different notability guidelines. WP:GNG, the guideline, passing which makes anything to get an article on Wikipedia. WP:NACTOR, a subjective guideline, passing which helps to get articles about actors created on Wikipedia, who do not pass WP:GNG. Reliable sources are generally those sources that have an editorial insight. You need to check with the sources discussing about this actor, that, if they have an author, if the publisher and author are independent of subject, and also if there is an editorial insight. If this doesn't help you, please let me know and I'll be there to assist you. Best, ─ The Aafī (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Michael D. Turnbull Thanks so much.
- It's very difficult to recommend specific reliable sources without knowing the subject of the proposed article, Uricdivine. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Cordless Larry that girl lay lay, Gabriel neevah (that girl lay lay cast). Boy Spyce (musician) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uricdivine (talk • contribs) 20:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Earlier today you created Boy Spyce, which was then changed to Draft:Boy Spyce, and then Speedy deleted per your request. If you intend to try again, it is on you to find published content that can be used as references. David notMD (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- For child actress Gabrielle Nevaeh Green, who plays Sadie in the TV show "That Girl Lay Lay," also on you to find references. David notMD (talk) 21:10, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Earlier today you created Boy Spyce, which was then changed to Draft:Boy Spyce, and then Speedy deleted per your request. If you intend to try again, it is on you to find published content that can be used as references. David notMD (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
John Penley rejection because of this ?????
Is this article the reason a page about me was rejected ?....................https://thevillagesun.com/antifa 24.120.111.152 (talk) 20:34, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Absolutely not. Draft:John Penley was rejected due to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. ––FormalDude talk 20:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strictly speaking, the Draft was declined, not rejected. This means that the experienced editor who reviewed it thought that as currently written it does not yet show notability requirements are met. With further work and reliable secondary sources it may well be accepted eventually. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:16, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia doesn't seem to have a view on the quality or otherwise of thevillagesun as a source. If it was considered reliable and the article wasn't based on an interview (in which case not WP:INDEPENDENT of Penley), it might help meet the notability guidelines if cited in the Draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- There's no way that's a reliable source and including it would certainly hurt the draft. ––FormalDude talk 21:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
What if I had a spammer?
Say I make a page and there is a spammer, would there be any way to ban them from my page? And if so, would that cause other quirks to arise? 2603:7081:3E41:5C00:B51F:98E:D055:8D4B (talk) 22:13, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- You don't own pages but generally spammers get blocked rather quickly. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:19, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, IP user! If you're referring specifically to the sandbox, you should know that the sandbox is open for anyone to test edits in and is regularly blanked. This has more information, as well as a link to create your own sandbox (it's much less likely that things you put in your own sandbox will be overwritten or cleared). Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 22:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
I also have another question, if unrelated. As I am not logged in, I have a situation. I seem to have two users which can interchange with no apparent basis. This is one of my two users that change. If you know how, it would be appreciated if you could explain why this is happening. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:3E41:5C00:B51F:98E:D055:8D4B (talk) 22:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)