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Social democracy is the official ideology of the party
User @BastianMAT: has constantly removed under different excuses the references that mention that the party's official ideology is social democracy including the Supreme Electoral Court (Tribunal Supremo de Elecciones) official website. The statute of the party as can be checked here https://www.tse.go.cr/pdf/normativa/estatutos/progresosocialdemocratico.pdf outright says:
ARTICULO NUEVE: PRINCIPIOS RECTORES DEL PENSAMIENTO DEL PARTIDO. Compartimos en general la propuesta ideológica de la socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las decisiones.
Translation:
ARTICLE NINE: GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE THOUGHT OF THE PARTY. We generally share the ideological proposal of social democracy modern, in which the concurrence of the capitalist system and the demands of fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which they make the decisions.
If no consensus is reach I'll start a request for comment and if that doesn't solves it I'll try any of the many Wikipedia:Dispute resolution alternatives in existence. Thank you. --152.231.144.202 (talk) 10:22, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Interestingly checking the sources given by BastianMAT and the arguments used by him to discard "social democracy" something weird happens here. He argues that and I quote: "the other two sources are WP:OR as they are not WP:RSP, they only mention the candidate and not the party". However if we check this source https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/costa-ricans-head-polls-largely-undecided-runoff-expected-2022-02-06/ the party is not mentioned at any point. This source is used twice. The source does mentions the candidate and describes him as economically liberal and socially conservative, does not mentions the party at any moment. This source seems to be the same as the other one just in the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20220206074437/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-costa-rica-election-idUSKBN2KB054
- This source does not mentions the party's ideology either, it does describes Chaves as conservative, again the same argument use by BastianMAT to discard the sources provided by me. https://www.npr.org/2022/04/04/1090747573/ex-finance-minister-wins-runoff-to-be-costa-ricas-president
- This source does not mentions the party at any moment, and does not describes Chaves in any way ideologically, the words liberal or conservative does not appear in any moment. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-04/ex-world-bank-economist-wins-costa-rica-presidential-election This source is by far missleading as it does not support what BastianMAT assures it support.
- Interestingly BastianMAT accused me of original research even when the sources I added explicitly mention Chaves a socialdemocrat.
- In any case in all the examples given all sources refer to the candidate not the party with one exeption, the one I gave of the Electoral Court official website. --152.231.144.202 (talk) 10:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
RfC on official ideology
A dispute surged about the official ideology of the party as presented on the Infobox as the statute of the party describes it as social democratic while other sources used do not describe the party but describe the party's latest candidate as liberal and conservative. --152.231.144.202 (talk) 00:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
User @BastianMAT: opposes the inclusion social democracy as part of the party's official ideology in the infobox, this despite being correctly referenced and he also includes Liberalism, Social conservativism and Economic liberalism as the party's ideologies in the infobox.
- The source to considered the party's ideology as social democracy was added by me and is the actual statute of the party as placed in the Electoral Court's official website where the party describes itself as having "modern social democracy" as ideology. https://www.tse.go.cr/pdf/normativa/estatutos/progresosocialdemocratico.pdf
ARTICULO NUEVE: PRINCIPIOS RECTORES DEL PENSAMIENTO DEL PARTIDO. Compartimos en general la propuesta ideológica de la socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las decisiones.
Translation:
ARTICLE NINE: GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE THOUGHT OF THE PARTY. We generally share the ideological proposal of modern social democracy, in which the concurrence of the capitalist system and the demands of fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which they make the decisions.
This source that I added and he removed, describes the party as modern social democratic. https://gaceta.es/actualidad/el-socialdemocrata-rodrigo-chaves-da-la-sorpresa-y-gana-las-elecciones-en-costa-rica-20220404-1737/
El PSD que lidera Chaves se define con una propuesta ideológica de “socialdemocracia moderna, en la cual el concurso del sistema capitalista y las demandas de sociedades más justas conducen la forma de organización y el modo en que se toman las decisiones”.
Translation:
The PSD led by Chaves defines itself with an ideological proposal of "modern social democracy, in which the competition of the capitalist system and the demands for fairer societies drive the form of organization and the way in which decisions are made."
- His sources to label the party as Liberalism, Social conservativism and Economic liberalism are the following:
- this source https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/costa-ricans-head-polls-largely-undecided-runoff-expected-2022-02-06/ the party is not mentioned at any point.
- This source is used twice. The source does mentions the candidate and describes him as economically liberal and socially conservative, does not mentions the party at any moment. This source seems to be the same as the other one just in the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20220206074437/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-costa-rica-election-idUSKBN2KB054
- This source does not mentions the party's ideology either, it does describes Chaves as conservative. https://www.npr.org/2022/04/04/1090747573/ex-finance-minister-wins-runoff-to-be-costa-ricas-president
- This source does not mentions the party at any moment, and does not describes Chaves in any way ideologically, the words liberal or conservative does not appear in any moment. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-04/ex-world-bank-economist-wins-costa-rica-presidential-election This source is by far missleading as it does not support what BastianMAT assures it support.
I think social democracy should be included as the party's ideology as there's a very reliable sources for that while the other ideologies presented should be reviewed.
Thank you. --152.231.144.202 (talk) 14:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- What is your brief and neutral statement? At over 3,600 bytes, the statement above (from the
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tag to the next timestamp) is far too long for Legobot (talk · contribs) to handle, and so it is not being shown correctly at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law. The RfC may also not be publicised through WP:FRS until a shorter statement is provided. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:37, 20 May 2022 (UTC)- Thank you for the warning I'll tried to fix it. --152.231.144.202 (talk) 23:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- No idea how to fix it @Redrose64:, I added one but it didn't changed in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law. --152.231.144.202 (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2022 (UTC)