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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
Discussions awaiting closure
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 9 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 8 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 7 (11 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 6 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 5 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 4 (12 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 3 (19 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 2 (12 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 1 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 31 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 30 (15 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 29 (34 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 28 (9 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 27 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 26 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 25 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 24 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 21 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 20 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 19 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 17 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 15 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 14 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 13 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 12 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 11 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
Nomination procedure
Twinkle
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
Manual nominations
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2022 June 17|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 12:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC). Currently, there are 54 open requests (. )
Current requests
Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Department of the Roman Curia to Category:Departments of the Roman Curia – C2A, pluralize – Fayenatic London 06:23, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Historical governments of Crimea to Category:Political history of Crimea – C2C: A much more sensible name, as well as being consistent with naming conventions for other nations or states. Hecseur (talk) 02:29, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The proposed category is far, far wider than the current category - Historical governments of Crimea covers the variety of governments that have existed in Crimea. Political history would cover elections, referendums and presidents. Political history is a decent category - but it is too wide for this. JASpencer (talk) 10:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Xfinity Series races to Category:NASCAR Xfinity Series races – C2D: Per NASCAR Xfinity Series NASCARfan0548 ↗ 01:41, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Xfinity Series seasons to Category:NASCAR Xfinity Series seasons – C2D, per NASCAR Xfinity Series. NASCARfan0548 ↗ 01:36, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Burials at the Refectory Church, Kiev Pechersk Lavra to Category:Burials at the Refectory Church, Kyiv Pechersk Lavra
- Oppose the last one as proposed. The main article of the category is Refectory Church (Pechersk Lavra), so that should be renamed to Category:Burials at Refectory Church (Pechersk Lavra). Armbrust The Homunculus 14:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agree with Armbrust: should be renamed to Category:Burials at Refectory Church (Pechersk Lavra). The category rename seems to have taken place although opposed. Oculi (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Relisted for renaming Category:Burials at the Refectory Church, Kyiv Pechersk Lavra to Category:Burials at Refectory Church (Pechersk Lavra), C2D. @Mzajac: courtesy ping to initial nominator. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- sorry, I processed the original rename, not realising it was opposed. Note that the revised name will NOT be C2C within Category:Burials at Kyiv Pechersk Lavra. How about moving the article instead? – Fayenatic London 06:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Relisted for renaming Category:Burials at the Refectory Church, Kyiv Pechersk Lavra to Category:Burials at Refectory Church (Pechersk Lavra), C2D. @Mzajac: courtesy ping to initial nominator. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:58, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Keşla FK to Category:Shamakhi FK – C2D, Shamakhi FK Snowflake91 (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Keşla FK seasons to Category:Shamakhi FK seasons – C2D, Shamakhi FK Snowflake91 (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Keşla FK managers to Category:Shamakhi FK managers – C2D, Shamakhi FK Snowflake91 (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Keşla FK players to Category:Shamakhi FK players – C2D, Shamakhi FK Snowflake91 (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Jón Árnason to Category:Jón Árnason (author) – C2D: per Jón Árnason (author). Armbrust The Homunculus 16:46, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Windsor Home Park to Category:Home Park, Windsor – C2D: per Home Park, Windsor. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:43, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Guinean people by region to Category:People by region in Guinea – C2C: per the convention in Category:People by first-level administrative country subdivision. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Northern Great Plain Region to Category:Northern Great Plain – C2D: per Northern Great Plain. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Southern Great Plain Region to Category:Southern Great Plain – C2D: per Southern Great Plain. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:28, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Vodafone Ghana music awards to Category:Vodafone Ghana Music Awards – C2A: proper nouns should be in title case. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 08:23, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:History of dependent territories to Category:History by dependent territory – C2B: Convention for container categories. BlackBony (talk) 21:34, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Dicastery or Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments to Category:Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments – C2A/C2D: should be "for", not "or". Main article at Dicastery for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. Jdcompguy (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric to Category:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Archdiocese of Ohrid – C2D: The main article is now called Macedonian Orthodox Church – Archdiocese of Ohrid. Veverve (talk) 00:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Only recently moved and without discussion, and thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:26, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Dependent territory-related lists to Category:Lists by dependent territory – C2C: Consistent with Category:Lists by country and all others subcategories in Category:Dependent territories. BlackBony (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The convention in Category:Lists by country is to use "-related lists" rather than "Lists by". Armbrust The Homunculus 14:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Armbrust it is much more correct to compare with Category:Lists by former country and Category:Lists by country, since a dependent territory are a type of territory, and not a specific territory. I suggest moving the container category itself, not the subcategories. BlackBony (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose The convention in Category:Lists by country is to use "-related lists" rather than "Lists by". Armbrust The Homunculus 14:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Hindu nuns to Category:Sannyasini – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 22:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: maybe not every Hindu nun is a sannyasini, e.g. there are also sādhvīne. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- We may need both. Sannyasini appears in most of these articles, but I havent noticed sādhvīne. Rathfelder (talk) 12:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: e.g. Sadhvi Prachi. Note that splitting is not a speedy option. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Maybe I should withdraw this and think a bit more about it. Rathfelder (talk) 19:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:GlaxoSmithKline to Category:GSK plc – On 16 May 2022, GlaxoSmithKline shortened its legal name to "GSK plc". Ridwan97 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:GlaxoSmithKline brands to Category:GSK plc brands – to reflect with the current GSK corporate branding. Ridwan97 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Clinical trials sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline to Category:Clinical trials sponsored by GSK plc – to reflect with the current GSK corporate branding. Ridwan97 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:GlaxoSmithKline litigation to Category:GSK plc litigation – to reflect with the current GSK corporate branding. Ridwan97 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:GlaxoSmithKline people to Category:GSK plc people – to reflect with the current GSK corporate branding. Ridwan97 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Chairmen of GlaxoSmithKline to Category:Chairmen of GSK plc – to reflect with the current GSK corporate branding. Ridwan97 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- oppose Can this go to categories for discussion unless the name is decided at Talk:GSK_plc#Change_of_name_(official)? I support a name of "GSK" rather than "GSK plc". Bluerasberry (talk) 14:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:Streets in Limerick (city) to Category:Streets in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:16, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union clubs in Limerick (city) to Category:Rugby union clubs in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Association football clubs in Limerick (city) to Category:Association football clubs in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Association football in Limerick (city) to Category:Association football in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Sport in Limerick (city) to Category:Sport in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Religion in Limerick (city) to Category:Religion in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Politics of Limerick (city) to Category:Politics of Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Musical groups from Limerick (city) to Category:Musical groups from Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Music in Limerick (city) to Category:Music in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:History of Limerick (city) to Category:History of Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Education in Limerick (city) to Category:Education in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Culture in Limerick (city) to Category:Culture in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in Limerick (city) to Category:Buildings and structures in Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Limerick (city) to Category:Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Sportspeople from Limerick (city) to Category:Sportspeople from Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Mayors of Limerick (city) to Category:Mayors of Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Male actors from Limerick (city) to Category:Male actors from Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Actresses from Limerick (city) to Category:Actresses from Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Actors from Limerick (city) to Category:Actors from Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for Limerick renamings. Limerick is ambiguous and thus C2D doesn't apply. See also this CFD. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also oppose per the cfd quoted above. It is fairly standard for (city) to be tacked on where there is ambiguity (eg Category:Dublin (city)). Oculi (talk) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- The city and the county are now merged into Limerick City and County CouncilRathfelder (talk) 19:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- We had better park these and have a proper discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 07:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pending Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_9#Category:People_from_Limerick_(city). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- We had better park these and have a proper discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 07:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:People from Limerick (city) to Category:People from Limerick – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for Limerick renamings. Limerick is ambiguous and thus C2D doesn't apply. See also this CFD. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:19, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Also oppose per the cfd quoted above. It is fairly standard for (city) to be tacked on where there is ambiguity (eg Category:Dublin (city)). Oculi (talk) 19:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- The city and the county are now merged into Limerick City and County CouncilRathfelder (talk) 19:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- We had better park these and have a proper discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 07:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Full discussion see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_9#Category:People_from_Limerick_(city). Marcocapelle (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- We had better park these and have a proper discussion. Rathfelder (talk) 07:53, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Category:Professors of the University of Cambridge to Category:Professors at the University of Cambridge – CDC and C2D Charlie A. (talk) 08:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Charlie Awesome, I don't think this should be done as a speedy change as the existing name follows the pattern of its parent Category:Academics of the University of Cambridge and of two similar categories, Category:Statutory Professors of the University of Oxford and Category:Professors of Gresham College. TSventon (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can accept doing the non-speedy route, but I did some scouting around before posting this request and came to a different conclusion to you. Here is what I found:
- In article space: List of professorships at... (6 articles, all "at institution"); List of professors at... (1 article, "at institution"); List of professors(hips) of (or in)... (no articles)
- In category space: professors of (154 categories, 149 "of subject", 3 "of institution", 2 "of nation/nationality"); professorships in (34 categories, all "in subject"); professorships at (16 categories, all "at institution"); professorships of (1 category, "of subject"); professors in (3 categories, 2 "in country", 1 "in subject"); professors at (2 categories, both at institution, coi: I made them)
- There's also Category:Professors of Dutch History at University College London, Regius Professors of Engineering in Edinburgh University. The parent category of Category:Statutory Professors of the University of Oxford is Category:Professorships at the University of Oxford.
- My conclusion was that there isn't a uniform existing practice, but in general practice seems to be: "of for specific subject (in categories about a single post), in for generic subject (about several posts), at for institution" – with lots of exceptions.
- And the reason for trying to work the above out was wanting to use a subtly different format specifying subject and institution, in order to avoid replicating anything like Category:Historians of the University of Oxford, which is ambiguous.
- Charlie A. (talk) 15:46, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Charlie Awesome, we might be able to agree that the current names are inconsistent. I don't object to tidying them, but think a full discussion would be better. The categories for professors of the universities of Oxford and Cambridge are unusual as full professors at Oxford and Cambridge are (or used to be) a minority of the notable teaching staff. Gresham College is also unusual.
- For what it's worth, I would say that the parent categories of Category:Statutory Professors of the University of Oxford are Category:Professorships at the University of Oxford and Category:Academics of the University of Oxford. TSventon (talk) 16:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- No problem – I'll withdraw the speedy request and submit a leisurely replacement. Charlie A. (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Charlie Awesome, can you ping me when your full CfD request is ready? You could leave this request up for a couple of days to see if anyone else has am opinion. TSventon (talk) 18:19, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @TSventon: done – am happy to go straight to discussion, you're right this probably isn't clear enough for speedy. Charlie A. (talk) 19:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Charlie Awesome, as this is now at full CfD here, the nomination should be moved to the Moved to full discussion section below. Did you notice criterion C2E Author request, which could have applied here? Your nomination only changes Cambridge categories, creating inconsistency with other universities. I would have suggested nominating a set of categories like those for professors of Oxford, Cambridge and Gresham College. Alternatively, Category:Historians of the University of Oxford could be unambiguously renamed Category:Historical scholars of the University of Oxford without requiring a change to naming conventions. TSventon (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @TSventon: I noticed, but I wasn't 100% sure no-one else had made a change, thought the other two criteria would be enough, so didn't bother to look at edit histories to confirm. I don't agree that this change creates any more inconsistency than already exists, but I'd very much welcome renaming of the other categories as you suggest. Perhaps you could bring that up at the full discussion? Finally, I wouldn't recommend the name change to the Oxford historians category, as it then creates a different inconsistence with Category:Historians – I think the best way out of that one is a change of preposition too. Charlie A. (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Charlie Awesome, as this is now at full CfD here, the nomination should be moved to the Moved to full discussion section below. Did you notice criterion C2E Author request, which could have applied here? Your nomination only changes Cambridge categories, creating inconsistency with other universities. I would have suggested nominating a set of categories like those for professors of Oxford, Cambridge and Gresham College. Alternatively, Category:Historians of the University of Oxford could be unambiguously renamed Category:Historical scholars of the University of Oxford without requiring a change to naming conventions. TSventon (talk) 21:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- @TSventon: done – am happy to go straight to discussion, you're right this probably isn't clear enough for speedy. Charlie A. (talk) 19:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Charlie Awesome, can you ping me when your full CfD request is ready? You could leave this request up for a couple of days to see if anyone else has am opinion. TSventon (talk) 18:19, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- No problem – I'll withdraw the speedy request and submit a leisurely replacement. Charlie A. (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can accept doing the non-speedy route, but I did some scouting around before posting this request and came to a different conclusion to you. Here is what I found:
- Comment Charlie Awesome, I don't think this should be done as a speedy change as the existing name follows the pattern of its parent Category:Academics of the University of Cambridge and of two similar categories, Category:Statutory Professors of the University of Oxford and Category:Professors of Gresham College. TSventon (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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