Dario del Bufalo
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WP:BLP1E. The majority of the article is about an antiquity he discovered. Notability is not inherited. It's possible that the artifact could warrent an article (I haven't determined if the refs about it are independent or reprints of the same story. If so, then this should redirect if such article is created). MB 02:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Visual arts, and Architecture. MB 02:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think Keep. Seems notable based on sustained coverage about him over years:
- https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/roman-mosaic-long-used-coffee-table-returned-italy-180966968/
- https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/nov/22/priceless-roman-mosaic-coffee-table-new-york-apartment
- https://www.insider.com/nyc-coffee-table-relic-ancient-roman-emperor-caligula-yacht-2021-11
- https://www.universitadeimarmorari.it/soci/dario-del-bufalo/?lang=en
- He is the author of many books:
- https://www.amazon.com/s?i=stripbooks&rh=p_27%3ADario+del+Bufalo&s=relevanceexprank&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.x=24&Adv-Srch-Books-Submit.y=12&unfiltered=1&ref=sr_adv_b
- Academic papers write about him:
- https://www.torrossa.com/en/resources/an/2616273
- He is mentioned many many times in Google Books Search
- BLP1E is really about the decision point between an article about the person or the event. If an event (Discovery of table...) existed, then I'd find this easier to agree with, but there is such an overwhelming amount of sources about him, I ask the nominator to explain how none of them establish notability. CT55555 (talk) 04:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Because there is not a lot of significant coverage about him outside this one event of finding a lost museum piece. As far as his publications, the criterion for authors is at WP:NAUTHOR and requires more that just writing works. MB 01:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per CT55555, well sourced. Randy Kryn (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Strong Keep There is a vast array of material to catalogue here books he has written and papers he is cited in.. The Caligula table is simply what he has received the most attention for. He is the author again of numerous volumes which I am adding as well as his academic credits. Strattonsmith (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Sources mentioning the subject are primarily about the discovery of a historic artifact, which was a news story in 2021 that died down after a couple of weeks. CT55555, self-published books (of which there are admittedly quite a few) do not contribute to the subject's notability. Whether mentions in other books actually amount to significant coverage can only be determined by reading them. Throast (talk | contribs) 01:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- This one is from 2017. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/roman-mosaic-long-used-coffee-table-returned-italy-180966968/ I made the same mistake as you I think, but I think what actually happened is that the 2017-ish event remained in the news for years. Which is what shifted me towards arguing keep. I wonder if that changes your thinking? CT55555 (talk) 01:19, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've skimmed through quite a few sources and none of them feature what I'd call significant coverage of the guy. Every single news article I've seen is centered around the artifact and features at most a few lines about him, but even then, only in relation to this one particular artifact. Throast (talk | contribs) 01:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had a similar impression. Which is why I went with "I think keep" but on the other hand every place I looked (news, scholar, books) had hits. So I was thinking of the guidance at WP:BASIC that says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability" and therefore leaned towards keep. CT55555 (talk) 01:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm aware of the guideline, but I'm arguing that coverage is exclusively trivial. There simply doesn't seem to be enough fodder for a proper encyclopedic article. The nominator's argument seems persuasive to me; if anything, an article should be created for the artifact. Throast (talk | contribs) 01:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had a similar impression. Which is why I went with "I think keep" but on the other hand every place I looked (news, scholar, books) had hits. So I was thinking of the guidance at WP:BASIC that says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability" and therefore leaned towards keep. CT55555 (talk) 01:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've skimmed through quite a few sources and none of them feature what I'd call significant coverage of the guy. Every single news article I've seen is centered around the artifact and features at most a few lines about him, but even then, only in relation to this one particular artifact. Throast (talk | contribs) 01:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment- Only some of the volumes are self published many are not so the assertion that they all are is a blanket misstatement.Strattonsmith (talk) 13:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment It was not as has been characterized a one off occurrence leading to a Jack in tbe box notoriety when he discovered the Caligula parked boat mosaic in New York City, it was an incident which came to pass due to his knowledge and eye for the mosaic and his academic background in the field. It is a pretty epic thing to rediscover a lost national treasure from antquity.
You can say coverage died down after a few weeks but I posit that it is a story which will be long remembered. Strattonsmith (talk) 13:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment- Let me quote Throast Whether mentions in other books actually amount to significant coverage can only be determined by reading them. Well they are on Google books and is it not your onus to read the mentions before passing judgement or just to conveniently pass over them. Second you just refer to the mosaic as some historical artifact as if it were of some small scale rather then the key story it has played out in over the ages.Strattonsmith (talk) 14:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)