Clayton Alexander
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No indications based on Google searches that Alexander or his companies "Radiance Lightworks" or "Ember" are WP:N. Article seems to have been created and maintained as part of an ongoing public relations effort. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:24, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 17:24, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Only one source provided which is insufficient. Does not meet notability.Craigwikiman (talk) 18:20, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete we lack even one source to show notability. The nature of patents is that even having a lot does not actually guantee you are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Here are the sources to prove Alexander is the Founder/CEO of:
- Radiance Lightworks: https://www.radiancelightworks.com/people
- Ember Technologies: https://ember.com/pages/about-the-founder Nsands901 (talk) 19:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- We are just trying to update his bio with the latest version, as the current one is many years old and does not include his latest ventures. Please let me know what else you need to get the bio updated and out of deletion mode... Nsands901 (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment No one denies that Alexander is the Founder / CEO of those companies. That, in itself, is not sufficient to merit inclusion at Wikipedia. (Please read WP:BIO.) To prove that Alexander is notable, you'll need to provide multiple examples of independent coverage about him in independent sources. Press releases or advertorials about his companies / products are not sufficient; these need to be independent, in-depth reporting about him. If you can find such coverage about Ember Technologies, that article might be rescued. Again, we need more than just product announcements. Given that Ember seems to only have two products on the market, such coverage might be hard to find. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Understood. Please let me know if these articles work as sources:
- https://www.fastcompany.com/90717041/ember-known-for-keeping-coffee-hot-builds-a-shipping-box-to-keep-vaccines-cold
- https://www.thestartupstory.co/episodes/clay-alexander-founder-of-ember
- https://www.brooklinen.com/blogs/brookliving/wind-down-with-clay-founder-of-ember
- https://www.smartkitchensummit.com/clayalexander
- https://www.entrepreneurialjoy.com/inventors-circle-clayton-alexander-ceo-journee-lighting-radiance-lightworks/ Nsands901 (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment No one denies that Alexander is the Founder / CEO of those companies. That, in itself, is not sufficient to merit inclusion at Wikipedia. (Please read WP:BIO.) To prove that Alexander is notable, you'll need to provide multiple examples of independent coverage about him in independent sources. Press releases or advertorials about his companies / products are not sufficient; these need to be independent, in-depth reporting about him. If you can find such coverage about Ember Technologies, that article might be rescued. Again, we need more than just product announcements. Given that Ember seems to only have two products on the market, such coverage might be hard to find. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Press releases and the like are not useful for reliable sources. I find nothing showing mentions in other sources. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment @Nsands901: Puff pieces like the Brooklinen blog "Wind down with Clay, founder of Ember", are not reliable sources. In general, first person interviews are a poor source of verifiable information. The information from FastCompany about the Ember Cube might point to notability for the Ember Technologies company, but that still doesn't indicate Alexander's personal notability. (If we decide to retain Ember Technologies, we will likely end up redirecting the Clayton Alexander article to the Ember article. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:22, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not delete our pages. I am not sure why Ember Technologies' page is also being considered for deletion. That is absurd. There is plenty of sourcing there. What else can I provide to ensure these pages are not deleted?
- Does this Crunchbase page help? https://www.crunchbase.com/person/clayton-alexander Nsands901 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Nsands901 They aren't your pages. They are Wikipedia's articles about Ember Technologies and Clayton Alexander. I will leave more information for you on your talk page. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 21:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both as not-notable (fails WP:BASIC and WP:NCORP). I couldn't find any significant coverage of Alexander or Ember Technologies, just brief mentions in the context of "gifts for the holidays" newspaper columns (touting Ember's $149 coffee cup). There's a nice Inc. (magazine) article, but at the bottom, it's labeled sponsored business content. Schazjmd (talk) 20:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not understanding. That Inc. article was NOT sponsored. You are looking at the "sponsored content" at the bottom of the article that is completely unrelated to Ember's Inc. feature.
- We were also placed on the Inc. 5000 list in 2021. That lists Clay, as well: https://www.inc.com/profile/ember-technologies
- There are endless amounts of coverage about Clay Alexander, Ember (Technologies), and Clay's ownership in the company all over the internet.
- Some more:
- https://www.inc.com/kevin-j-ryan/ember-mug-inventor-wants-to-put-computer-chips-in-all-dishes.html
- https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/04/ember-smart-coffee-mug-has-joe-and-nick-jonas-as-investors.html
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/business/cold-storage-covid-vaccine.html
- https://thespoon.tech/ember-to-bring-its-temperature-tech-to-reusable-cold-chain-packaging/
- https://www.packagingdigest.com/pharmaceutical-packaging/reusable-cube-provides-safe-passage-temperature-sensitive-drugs
- A piece about Ember's relocation to the new headquarters: https://www.cbre.ca/en/press-releases/ember-thousand-oaks
- Clay selling his lightbulb to GE: https://www.designcurial.com/news/ge-lumination-acquires-journ-e-s-led-module-technology
- What else can I provide?? Nsands901 (talk) 21:50, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. First up, one editor here saying "we" does strongly suggest a conflict of interest. Secondly, I was about to vote delete, after finding nothing because I searched for "Clayton Alexander". But if I search for "Clay Alexander" I find:
- https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/04/ember-smart-coffee-mug-has-joe-and-nick-jonas-as-investors.html it does include quotes, so imperfect
- https://www.inc.com/kevin-j-ryan/ember-mug-inventor-wants-to-put-computer-chips-in-all-dishes.html also an interview (I don't know how reliable this site is, the reliable sources ntice board did not help)
- https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2022/01/11/transformational-coffee-warming-mug/9158223002/ brief mention of him, more about his invention, also includes interview
- https://time.com/5023212/best-inventions-of-2017/ talks about his invention, again an interview.
- So at this point, I could keep searching, but knowing WP:CREATIVE infers notability for people who invented a something, I think he passes that. CT55555 (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much!!! We can definitely change his name to "Clay Alexander," if that helps? He definitely goes by Clay, as opposed to Clayton. Nsands901 (talk) 22:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Who is "we" in this question; and can you please answer the question on your talk page? CT55555 (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much!!! We can definitely change his name to "Clay Alexander," if that helps? He definitely goes by Clay, as opposed to Clayton. Nsands901 (talk) 22:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)