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Undo of REDIRECT by PeeJay2K3
I decided to undo your complete REDIRECT of this Article page to, Derek Jeter. Yes, The Player's Tribune is Co-Founded by Derek Jeter as well as a Business Interest, however it is a media platform that has grown and developed and has received a wide-range attention and has been reported by many other media outlets. It is a noteworthy article that deserves it's own article main page and not a redirect. Ibarabi (talk) 16:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Title
The title of this article is missing the apostrophe after "Players". 108.254.160.23 (talk) 02:43, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
Reducing unnecessary press-release-type info
I see no need for the complete list of athletes who have contributed: it looks to me like self-promotion by The Players' Tribune. Cut or at least reduce? Also: can we cut the blow-by-blow of who invested how much on what date? Do we really need the list of advertising partners?
Agreed, if every site had an exhuastive list of contributors their pages would look like a memorial wall. I took out the list of contributors and just left staff members.Amicable Gent (talk) 00:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
History update request
Hello editors, I'm M and I work for Minute Media. I was hoping one of you might be kind enough to look over an update request for the History section of the article. The Players' Tribune expanded to Japan and Brazil in 2021, and I was hoping we might be able to include that with a sentence kind of like this at the end of the History section:
References
- ^ Stenberg, Mark (March 25, 2021). "The Players' Tribune Expands to Japan, Eyeing Its Untapped Sports Market". Adweek. Retrieved January 11, 2022.
- ^ Birnbaum, Justin (March 25, 2021). "Sister Jean, Michael Rubin And NFL TV Deals: This Week's Most Interesting Sports Business Stories". Forbes. Retrieved January 7, 2022.
- ^ "'The Players' Tribune e o valor das histórias', com Eduardo Paulsen (Minute Media)". MKT Esportivo (in Brazilian Portuguese). May 18, 2021. Retrieved February 1, 2022.
I won't make any edits myself because of my conflict of interest. Please let me know what you think! I've got some other changes I hope to make to the article as well. If you're interested, I've uploaded a draft of what the article might look like here. Looking forward to working with you all and thanks in advance for taking a look. M at MinuteMedia (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Dale Arnett, I noticed that you had made some edits to the article in the past. I was wondering if you might be willing to take a look at this request I posted earlier? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 22:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- @M at MinuteMedia:
Done. I included a link to Yuta Watanabe's page. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the help, Heartmusic678! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 15:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- @M at MinuteMedia:
- Hi editors, per this conversation with Quetstar, I am reopening this request. I hope you will see that this change helps make the article more up to date. Thanks in advance for your help! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Huwmanbeing, thanks so much for your help on the 90min article! I was wondering if you might also take a look at this request? I'd really appreciate the help! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 15:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Done – Muboshgu (talk) 00:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
History request
Hi editors, M here again with another request to update the History section. I thought we could trim it down a little bit and cut some of the content related to leadership that is outdated and some of the funding rounds that is, by my understanding, not entirely appropriate for Wikipedia. I also tried to cut the primary sources as I understand those are not appropriate for Wikipedia either. I thought the new content might look something like this:
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The Players' Tribune launched in October 2014 by Jeter and Messler as a means for athletes to offer more direct insight into their lives.[1][2] The outlet began collecting venture capital funds in 2015 and entered a "next phase" which included expanding content from the written word to include podcasts, video, and a presence on SiriusXM satellite radio.[2] The same year, the outlet launched TPT Assist, a cause-related platform designed to allow athletes to share their philanthropic endeavors.[3] In 2018, The Players' Tribune purchased Unscriptd, a tech startup that produces short-form video content. The following year, the outlet laid off eight employees.[4] Technology and content company Minute Media purchased The Players' Tribune in November 2019, adding the outlet to a group of properties that includes DBLTAP, 90min, The Big Lead, FanSided and Mental Floss.[5][6] References
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Please let me know what you think! I'm hoping to make some other changes as well and uploaded a draft to my user space if anyone is interested in seeing what I hope to accomplish! Heartmusic678, you were kind enough to review the last request, might you be willing to take a look at this one, too? I'd really appreciate it! Thanks in advance for your help. M at MinuteMedia (talk) 15:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @M at MinuteMedia: Below is my suggestion for adhering to WP:NPOV in the hope of getting the promotional tag removed from the page. Please let me know what you think. Looking forward to your feedback. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
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The Players' Tribune was founded in October 2014 by Derek Jeter and Jaymee Messler to offer more direct insight into the lives of athletes.[1][2] The Players' Tribune began collecting venture capital funds in 2015 and initially circulated in digital print only. It soon included podcasts, video, and a presence on SiriusXM satellite radio.[2] That same year, The Players' Tribune launched TPT Assist, a section of the website featuring philanthropic endeavors.[3] In 2018, The Players' Tribune purchased Unscriptd, a tech startup company that produces short-form video content. The following year, The Players' Tribune laid off eight employees. (I was unable to access this and related articles, but it is worth discussing why this happened in relation to expenses and the consideration of a possible sale. This is notable and will tie in with the sentence that follows)[4] Technology and content company Minute Media purchased The Players' Tribune in November 2019.[5][6] |
- Hi Heartmusic678, thanks for the detailed response! I am in agreement with your wording changes, though maybe we could substitute a few of the instances of "The Players’ Tribune" for a pronoun like "the site" or "the outlet," just to break it up a little?
- As for the layoffs, I was not able to find much content in reliable sources about them. The sentence from 'Bloomberg' I was referencing was this one:
- Last year, the Players’ Tribune purchased Unscriptd, a tech startup with a network of more than 2,500 athletes in Europe, Australia and Asia, creating and publishing short-form videos. The company later went through a round of layoffs, according to Digiday.
- As for the layoffs, I was not able to find much content in reliable sources about them. The sentence from 'Bloomberg' I was referencing was this one:
- I wasn't able to find much else other than a quote from CEO Jeff Levick saying the layoffs are related to a new direction we went as a company. That was in this Digiday article that Bloomberg referenced:
- “These decisions are never easy and are not taken lightly,” Levick said in a statement. “The decision was made as part of a shift in our business strategy to better position The Players’ Tribune moving forward — taking into account the acquisition we announced in December. We are committed to continue delivering the best products for our fans, partners, investors and athlete community. We will provide an update on our next steps in the near future.”
- The Digiday article talks a little about the changes that Mr. Levick made, including changing the focus of the Tribune to look at other areas of revenue generation, including branded content and "developing, producing and selling shows to TV and streaming platforms."
- The Bloomberg article also mentions a potential sale of The Players’ Tribune (which as we know, did happen) but there isn't much else I could find in reliable sources about that other than what was in the Variety source included in the list. The Bloomberg article said this about the potential sale:
- The Players’ Tribune, a website started by baseball star Derek Jeter, is exploring a potential sale, according to people familiar with the matter. The New York-based digital media company is working with a financial advisor and could be sold in the coming weeks, said the people, asking not to be named because the matter is private. It’s not clear how much it is worth.
- I don't know how helpful that is, but hopefully that will work? I really appreciate you taking the time to take a look and try to address the advertisement tag! Thanks so much! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 20:31, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- @M at MinuteMedia: Thank you and that is helpful. Here is the updated version. Please let me know your thoughts. Heartmusic678 (talk) 13:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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The Players' Tribune was founded in October 2014 by Derek Jeter and Jaymee Messler to offer more direct insight into the lives of athletes.[1][2] The website began collecting venture capital funds in 2015 and initially circulated in digital print only. It soon included podcasts, video, and a presence on SiriusXM satellite radio.[2] That same year, The Players' Tribune launched TPT Assist, a section of the website featuring philanthropic endeavors.[7] In 2018, The Players' Tribune purchased Unscriptd, a tech startup company that produces short-form video content. The following year, the website laid off eight employees and reportedly considered a potential sale.[4] Per CEO Jeff Leverick, “The decision was made as part of a shift in our business strategy to better position The Players’ Tribune moving forward — taking into account the acquisition we announced in December.”[8] Technology and content company Minute Media purchased The Players' Tribune in November 2019.[5][6] |
- @Heartmusic678: That looks good to me except for one tiny detail. Our CEO's name is Jeff Levick. It looks like there are a couple of extra letters in there. Thank you so much for taking the time to work through this with me! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 18:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- @M at MinuteMedia: Thanks for catching my error! The updated History and correct spelling are now on the page. Heartmusic678 (talk) 10:35, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Heartmusic678: That looks good to me except for one tiny detail. Our CEO's name is Jeff Levick. It looks like there are a couple of extra letters in there. Thank you so much for taking the time to work through this with me! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 18:45, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for working through this with me, Heartmusic678! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi editors, per this conversation with Quetstar, I am reopening this request. I hope you will see that the changes I have proposed and further worked through with other editors are an improvement to the article that meets Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks in advance for your help! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 17:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: would you be willing to take a look at this request and the other open one on this page? I'd love to keep working through this article and get it to a place so editors can remove the advertisement banner. I'd really appreciate the help! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 16:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- M at MinuteMedia, I looked at them but not deeply enough yet. They're less straightforward than the first one. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, take your time! I really appreciate you taking a look! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 15:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Muboshgu, I was wondering if it would be easier to review these requests if I broke them up a bit? I could close them and make smaller requests if that would help! I really appreciate you taking a look! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, take your time! I really appreciate you taking a look! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 15:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- M at MinuteMedia, I looked at them but not deeply enough yet. They're less straightforward than the first one. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Content request
Hello editors, M here again with another request, this time in the Content and platform section. I've drafted a potential replacement for the first two paragraphs. I hope that you'll see this is an improvement in several ways.
- First, I've removed or replaced a bunch of content that's using primary sources (articles from the Tribune).
- Second, where appropriate, I've provided some brief mentions of where stories have broken into larger conversations.
- Third, I've removed some language that could be considered promotional or mission-statement like, particularly the second sentence of this section and the last sentence of this section, which became redundant after the last changes were made
- Fourth, I added some content related to podcasts that the Tribune produces and sourced it to reliable sources.
- Finally, I changed the language about how Tribune stories are written, which currently feels like it does not have an impartial tone. I tried to make that section as neutral as I could and included an additional article from the New York Times to help clarify the process that these stories go through to reach publication. My goal here is to clarify the nature of the relationship between athletes and Tribune staff and provide additional context on how content is produced.
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The platform's content includes first-person written stories, videos, podcasts, and photo galleries. Topics covered by the platform include mental health, athlete retirements, social justice issues, and more.[9][2] All content is approved by the athletes before it is posted, with some exercising greater control over the finished product than others. The content is produced in partnership between the athlete and the outlet's editorial team, with close oversight by the athlete.[9][10] The site's former editorial director, Gary Hoenig, noted the stories are largely crafted from "monologues, with questions to nudge the conversation along," rather than a traditional interview.[9] Athletes such as former MLB player David Ortiz and former NBA player Kobe Bryant have used the platform to announce their retirements.[11]Cite error: A Pieces from athletes have on occasion broken into mainstream media conversations, including articles by Kevin Love and Larry Sanders on mental health,[12][13] Natasha Cloud on racism and social justice,[14] and Breanna Stewart on child sexual abuse.[15] In addition to written pieces, the outlet also produces podcasts and videos, notably the Knuckleheads podcast, hosted by former NBA players Quentin Richardson and Darius Miles;[16] Truss Levelz, hosted by NFL players Cameron Jordan and Mark Ingram;[17] and Blindsided, hosted by former NHL player Corey Hirsch and Dr. Diane McIntosh.[18] References
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I also have a draft I wrote with a few more things I'm hoping to tweak, in case any editors are interested.
Heartmusic678, you've been so helpful, would you be willing to take a look at these revisions too? I'd really appreciate it! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi M at MinuteMedia I'm sorry I will not be able to address this or future edit request, so I am going to defer to other editors. Thanks for understanding, Heartmusic678 (talk) 20:05, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Heartmusic678, thank you for letting me know and for all your help so far! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Recent reversions
Hi Quetstar, I noticed you reverted some recent edits that were made based on my requests. I think they helped improve the article and I worked with Heartmusic to improve the tone/language to make the changes more neutral. Can you please tell me how I can improve those requests and changes so they can be reinstated? I'd really appreciate it! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- @M at MinuteMedia:
Heartmusic's reviewing process for COI requests is questionable. For example, they made changes to articles without checking the sourcing or the neutrality of the text, as demonstrated at Talk:FreedomWorks. While I belive that the requests are adequately sourced and have a neutral tone,I decided to revert them in order to protect the integrity of the COI review process and WP's policies.I am open to reinstating them, but they will have to be reviewed more thoroughly to ensure compliance.Quetstar (talk) 23:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)- UPDATE: After reading this discussion, I have decided against reinstating the requests. If you want them to be restored, they must be resubmitted to the queue or brought to another editor for reconsideration. Quetstar (talk) 23:58, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Quetstar, thank you for your quick response and letting me know. I will reopen the prior requests. M at MinuteMedia (talk) 17:28, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
New simplified history request
Hi editors, M here again. I thought I would try to simplify my previous requests with the hope that they might be easier to implement. I wanted to start with the History section as I think that will be the easiest.
Can we change the first two sentences from "The Players' Tribune was launched on October 1, 2014, by Derek Jeter. Its first contributors were senior editors Russell Wilson, Blake Griffin, Danica Patrick and Kevin Love." to "The Players' Tribune launched in October 2014 by Derek Jeter and Messler as a means for athletes to offer more direct insight into their lives.[1][2]"
References
- ^ Hsu, Hua (March 29, 2021). "The Rise of the Athlete Podcaster". The New Yorker. Retrieved January 7, 2022.
- ^ Guthrie, Marisa; Feinberg, Scott (July 29, 2015). "Derek Jeter Wants Another Big Hit". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved October 13, 2021.
I think this change 1) offers greater context on why the Tribune was founded and improves the sourcing 2) removes sources that are inappropriate based on my understanding of the primary sources policy and 3) removes a list of names of our early contributors that could be seen as promotional. Please let me know what you think! I won't make any changes myself due to my conflict of interest. Thank you in advance for your help! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu:, I hope this isn't out of line. I got to thinking about the previous requests I had and realized that it was a lot for an editor to review, so I closed them and cut them way down to this one. Would you have an interest in reviewing this request? If not I totally understand! Just wanted to keep you involved if you still had an interest. M at MinuteMedia (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Not out of line at all. I think the last requests were alot, I must've gotten distracted in the middle of looking at them and didn't remember to come back to it. I'll take a look into this one later. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Done I modified your proposal. How's that? – Muboshgu (talk) 03:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu:, I will keep in mind that those requests are too big for the future! Thanks for taking a look. I like the change you made. One thing I had proposed was removing the sentence "Its first contributors were senior editors Russell Wilson, Blake Griffin, Danica Patrick and Kevin Love." because it's sourced to primary sources and might be seen as name-dropping or promotional. Are you okay with leaving that sentence in? M at MinuteMedia (talk) 16:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: just wanted to check one more time if you were okay with that sentence about the first athlete contributors! Please let me know! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu:, I will keep in mind that those requests are too big for the future! Thanks for taking a look. I like the change you made. One thing I had proposed was removing the sentence "Its first contributors were senior editors Russell Wilson, Blake Griffin, Danica Patrick and Kevin Love." because it's sourced to primary sources and might be seen as name-dropping or promotional. Are you okay with leaving that sentence in? M at MinuteMedia (talk) 16:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
Expansion to podcasts update
Hi editors, M here again with a request to update the sentence about the Tribune's growth in podcasts. I propose changing the sentence "On February 13, 2015, The Players' Tribune announced it was entering a "next phase," which, according to Jeter, involved the addition of "podcasts, digital video, Sirius satellite radio, plus much more of the kinds of stories we’ve already been telling."" to "The outlet began collecting venture capital funds in 2015 and entered a "next phase" which included expanding content from the written word to include podcasts, video, and a presence on SiriusXM satellite radio.[1]" (note: this reference is named in earlier in the article, I'm just including the whole thing so it shows up correctly here)
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- ^ Guthrie, Marisa; Feinberg, Scott (July 29, 2015). "Derek Jeter Wants Another Big Hit". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved October 13, 2021.
I think this summarizes the quote from Derek Jeter in a way that is less promotional than simply leaving the quote as-is. Please let me know what you think! @Muboshgu:, would you be willing to review this request as well? I'd really appreciate it! M at MinuteMedia (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)