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Can you please give me the meaning of the name "Hauraki". Thank you.
Cheers,
Chad Thompson
- Done. Cheers MadMaxDog 22:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
The map of Hauraki Gulf may be misleading as it shows the extents going up Coromandel, but not across Great Barrier and encompassing Little Barrier. I understand that the Gulfs easterly limit would be bounded by Croromandel and Great Barrier and it's Norther limit bounded by Great Barrier, Little Barrier and Cape Rodney. This is not indicated on the map. Thanks StefanRichardson (talk) 22:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
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Requested move 15 September 2021
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion consensus and WP:NCNZ. There may be an ongoing discussion about changing that convention, but for now, the current guideline is how we adjudicate and close discussions. When/if that guideline changes to not support dual names here, this can be revisited. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 13:02, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
Hauraki Gulf → Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana – This has been officially renamed already in 2014, time to update this. See Aoraki / Mount Cook for reference. Gryffindor (talk) 06:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support - there's a long precedent of using dual names when they are offical, and such moves have been previously determined as uncontroversial. Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana is used in a variety of recent sources, including Encyclopedia Britannica and the Americas Cup. Turnagra (talk) 05:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME. There’s no reason to make the name longer than necessary, and the dual name adds no specificity for the added length; nobody who knows the dual name doesn’t already know the current name. — HTGS (talk) 10:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The guidelines are very clear that the official name of a place is not sufficient to change the title of a Wikipedia article. As per WP:NCGN, WP:RECENTISM, and WP:COMMONNAME, there is not sufficient evidence to show that the requested name is commonly used to the point were an article name change is required. Spekkios (talk) 09:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Also see WP:CONCISE, WP:UCRN, and here Spekkios (talk) 06:24, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support as per dual / bi lingual use in New Zealand English. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:40, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support as per NZ naming conventions. There is usage beyond mandatory official usage therefore it should be moved. ShakyIsles (talk) 04:49, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: It might be worth noting these ongoing discussions:
- There may be some question of whether the relevant aspect of NZ naming conventions actually
reflect[s] the consensus of the community
. While these discussions are ongoing, I decline to present my own opinion on this proposed move. BilledMammal (talk) 07:17, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. There is a current RfC proposal draft on the guidelines for dual names. Spekkios (talk) 23:52, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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Requested move 31 May 2022
Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana → Hauraki Gulf – Per WP:NATURALNESS and WP:CONCISE.
- Google news shows 249 results in the past year for Hauraki Gulf, compared to 83 for Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana
- Google scholar shows 413 results since 2021 for Hauraki Gulf, compared to 22 results for Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana
- Ngrams shows significant use of Hauraki Gulf, but minimal use of Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana.
In addition, WP:RECOGNIZABILITY may apply. Since the move in September of last year, pageviews per month for this article abruptly fell from a long term average of 1500 to 1100, suggesting that readers are struggling to find it at its current title. BilledMammal (talk) 02:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. These results are biased towards the dual name; for example, it counts this article and this article as results for the dual name, not Hauraki Gulf, despite them not using any form of the dual name and only using Tīkapa Moana in quotes. The fact that the preference for Hauraki Gulf is so strong despite this bias should strengthen the argument to move to the single name. BilledMammal (talk) 02:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: You have an error in methodology for your assertion about pageviews. It's likely that Hauraki Gulf receives more views because it is the target of more internal links. Compare 403 links to Hauraki Gulf, vs 162 for Hauraki Gulf / Tīkapa Moana. I think your point might still be made by a slightly different pageview analysis that looks at the sum of redirects, but it's definitely not as clearcut. — HTGS (talk) 04:37, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're right, I didn't realize that was how pageviews worked with redirects. Adjusted - note that I haven't included the spike between December 2020 and March 2021 in calculating the long term average. It's possible that this fall is just a coincidence, but I suspect it is related. BilledMammal (talk) 05:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support as written. This is one of the clearest cut cases for moving NZ places from the official name to the common name per article title policy (the Clutha River also comes to mind). — HTGS (talk) 04:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for the reasons why it was moved only a few months ago. However, I am interested to hear if the pageview analysis does shine through to actual less clicks onto the page. I'm not convinced as yet that users would have difficulty finding the page, as there is a redirect and it easily comes up through Google and Wikipedia search. Poketama (talk) 13:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Poketama that discussion was closed citing WP:NCNZ, which recommended using the dual name if any sources could be found that use the dual name. That guideline no longer supports dual names when they aren’t the common name, which is why this is being reconsidered. If the dual name is confusing that’s secondary by far to the fact that the shorter name is clearly the common name. — HTGS (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose for the reasons why it was moved only a few months ago. However, I am interested to hear if the pageview analysis does shine through to actual less clicks onto the page. I'm not convinced as yet that users would have difficulty finding the page, as there is a redirect and it easily comes up through Google and Wikipedia search. Poketama (talk) 13:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose the dual name isn't going to make this any more difficult to find, especially if you're making that claim because people would be searching for "Hauraki Gulf" - this would absolutely still come up in the same way that "All That You Can't Leave Behind" still comes up by typing in "All That You". As for the drop, that's far more likely related to the great big sporting event held there beforehand dropping off. Turnagra (talk) 20:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)