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Requested move 22 March 2022
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW closure. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 14:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Flag of the United States → American flag – The national flag of the USA is most commonly referred to as the American flag. There has not been a point in the entire post-1800 corpus of ngrams, where "Flag of the United States" has been more frequently used than "American flag". The WP:CRITERIA of naturalness and concision come to mind here: the natural title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English and also is the one that people are most likely to search for, while the concise title is the one that is no longer than necessary to uniquely identify the article's subject. Since "American flag" is the term used most frequently to refer to the article subject and is a whole three words shorter than the current title, it has advantages over the current title. The proposed title is equally recognizable and precise to the current title, which leads to no advantage on the criteria of recognizably and precision. As such, the proposed title is superior on two criteria to the current title. Therefore, I request that this article be moved to American flag. — Mhawk10 (talk) 01:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree Every other page on a nation's/state's flag is called "Flag of X", the US flag shouldn't be an exception. "American Flag" already redirects to this page anyways (meaning it shows up in the search bar). Ilovecrabcakes1462 (talk) 02:11, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree per Ilovecrabcakes1462. There is no need to change the title. American flag may mean the flag of any country in the Americas. Hvn0413 (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree per previous comments. Existing redirect is sufficient and existing title is both consistent with other titles and not an obscure or unusual way to refer to the flag (for instance, US Flag code refers to it as "the U.S. flag", "the flag of the United States", and "the flag of the United States of America"). --JonRidinger (talk) 12:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree there are a ton of American flags, and the current name is consistent with every other national flag. Dronebogus (talk) 12:44, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree / OPPOSE (very, very strongly) (not for ambiguity, but for consistency). This term already redirects here. The Union Jack is a UNIQUE EXCEPTION due to the fact that the WP:COMMONNAME isn't "Flag of X" or "X flag", but instead it's referred to by the name "Union Jack" the VAST MAJORITY of the time. (It's different than people calling the flag of India "the Indian flag".) This move would have problematic consequences and would open up a gigantic can-of-worms (...where would it stop? what about territories and states? what about places with less-common demonyms, or controversial ones?). If we move this, we'll be inundated with unhelpful move requests that will only make flag pages harder to find. (Based on the already-formed consensus against this, should this be speedily, uncontroversially WP:SNOW-closed?) Paintspot Infez (talk) 19:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree per Paintspot. Thanoscar21talk, contribs 00:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Disagree , excluding first nations and historical nations, there are 35 different American national flags across North America and South America. "American flag" requires disambiguation. There are also two different contemporary American national flags belonging to countries called the "United States:" the United States of America and the United Mexican States. So "flag of the United States" should also be disambiguated between the USA (United States American) flag and the Mexican flag. The article title should be changed to either "USA flag" or "flag of the United States of America" to avoid any ambiguity. Nicole Sharp (talk) 01:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's a case of WP:OFFICIALNAME vs. WP:COMMONNAME. In English, there is no ambiguity for United States being the common term for United States of America, hence the article on the country being where it is. "United Mexican States" is the English translation of the official name, and one hardly ever used in primary or secondary sources, which is why the article on the country is at Mexico, the common name used in virtually all primary and secondary sources, even Mexico's own government websites (which also refers to its northern neighbor as "the U.S." and "the United States"). --JonRidinger (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose move For consistency with our entire Category:National flags. In addition, "American flag" is arguably less precise are more ambiguous. AusLondonder (talk) 14:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Hopkinson flag
I created a new redirect for "Hopkinson flag" but this might be better off as a new article. There seems to be a lot of material and history on this page already for this particular flag design. I also replaced the image used in the article from "file:Hopkinson Flag for the U.S. Navy.pdf
" to "file:Hopkinson Flag.svg
" since the SVG has much better image quality than the PDF (which appears to have an image defect). However, these two files have different proportions for the flag. I think the proportions on the PDF image might be more accurate. Would it be possible for someone to create an SVG version of this flag using the proportions from the PDF? Nicole Sharp (talk) 01:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
@DevinCook: Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I know, there wasn't anything approaching a formal specification of the geometry of the United States flag until 1818 -- and that was an internal Navy Dept. document, which only governed flags bought by the Navy. Before that time, there were no real official proportions... AnonMoos (talk) 03:16, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
I created a new category on Wikimedia Commons: "commons:category:Hopkinson flag
." There are currently three different versions of this flag on Commons. I concur that there wasn't any formal standardization of the flag (Hopkinson or otherwise) in this period. I was just annoyed by the PDF image quality and was hoping someone might be able to make a cleaner SVG version. But with the design(s) for the original Hopkinson flag(s) lost to history, the number of possible interpretations is technically infinite. Nicole Sharp (talk) 04:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wasn't comparing the details of the images. I extracted the raster from the PDF and cleaned it up and regularized it, and re-uploaded as a PNG. I may at some time make an SVG out of it, but I can't promise when... AnonMoos (talk) 22:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
62 years current flag
Its been 62 years -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.131.228 (talk) 15:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- It will be on July 4th. Is there some special significance to the number 62? AnonMoos (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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