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June 12
How to interpret WP:BIASED (on the topic of religion)
Hello, I'm wondering about identifying bias in sources. I'm aware of the guidance at WP:BIASED and at WP:NPOV#Bias in sources but neither is very clear about when things cross the line into being "biased". In particular, I'm wondering when the religious affiliation (or absence of religious affiliation) of the author of a reliable source is grounds to consider the source biased, when it's a Wikipedia article on religion. I realize that sources should not be excluded because of bias, but I'm wondering whether it should be noted in the text (e.g., Hindu cosmologist XYZ argues that ZYX, rather than just cosmologist XYZ argues that ZYX). Is there some more specific guidance on this? For example, to say a source is biased would we have to show it has been criticized by another reliable source, or is it adequate just to show the potential for bias on the topic of religion given their religious views?
I know that this is not the place for dispute resolution, so I wrote the whole question above in general terms. However, in case more context is helpful, I'm having a disagreement with another editor at Talk:Baháʼí views on science#Baha'i status. My view was that since most of the reliable sources on the topic are by adherents of the religion in question, we should note their religion when discussing their opinions (though not when discussing uncontroversial facts). He feels that if they've published their views about the Baháʼí Faith and science in academic sources, their religion isn't relevant and shouldn't be stated. Again, not asking for dispute resolution but just if there is general guidance on this sort of case. If this isn't the best place to ask about this, let me know. Best, Gazelle55 (talk) 00:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Ethiopia–United Kingdom relations
I want to add this bilateral image map to Ethiopia–United Kingdom relations. The Supermind (talk) 09:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- In Visual editor, you can add images by clicking Insert -> images and media.
- In Source editor, you can add [[File:Ethiopia–United Kingdom Locator.svg|thumb|Ethiopia–United Kingdom Locator]] in the appropriate location. Femke (talk) 10:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Did that for you! If you need help, check the wikitext for other "relations pages", this helped me. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I used this:
![]() Ethiopia |
![]() United Kingdom |
---|---|
Diplomatic mission | |
Embassy of Ethiopia, London | N/A |
Envoy | |
Canadian Ambassador to the United States Kirsten Hillman | List of ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Ethiopia Alastair McPhail |
- See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93United_States_relations, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Russia_relations or others. Hope this helped! Mozart12345678910 (talk) 16:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Change from stadium
How to change from stadium to main domain ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16A2:CB13:4A00:E45C:55D4:9575:ED94 (talk) 11:30, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I have no idea what you are asking about. Is this about editing Wikipedia? If so, which article. If it's not about Wikipedia, then you've come to the wrong place. ColinFine (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
How to use this wikipedia?
To get knowledge about to become smart class expert teacher? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uday1975 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Uday1975 and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is a big place. I suggest you start by reading Help:Introduction to navigating Wikipedia/1. Shantavira|feed me 12:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Policy on videos
Do we have policy or guidelines on whether vidoes should be added to articles? Uploading, copyright and licensing are dealt with clearly, but is there anything from a content point of view? When I saw some video lectures on various article subjects added just below the infoboxes (one per article), my first thought was that WP:EL might help, but these are Commons files. Do we have anything specific on whether such videos should be included at all, selection criteria or positioning? More broadly, is it more common on en.wiki than I realise? NebY (talk) 12:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Mere lectures do not add to articles, in my arrogant opinion, not least because of accessibility issues; but there is long-standing consensus that videos can be very useful for articles on things like dances, martial arts moves, etc. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I like those examples; I'd only thought of animations of machinery or orbital mechanic and suchlike, likewise coming under the general principle of adding something that couldn't be in the body of the article - much like ELs. I don't think about accessibility enough so a good corrective there. Thanks. NebY (talk) 17:35, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Do you have some examples of articles where this has been happening? As User:Orangemike notes, videos that simply recap an article's topic or deliver a lecture tend to be problematic for a number of reasons. The essay Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not YouTube is germane.
- I remember we ran into a serious problem a few years ago with Wikipedia:Osmosis, where an outside company generated (hundreds of!) videos about a wide assortment of medical topics, which were then inserted prominently into Wikipedia articles with a minimum of discussion.
- At the time, a number of issues were identified with this sort of content. Videos are difficult or impossible to edit, so minor errors are virtually uncorrectable by third parties. Sourcing, to Wikipedia's usual standards, is essentially impossible to incorporate. There are accessibility concerns, as well. Near the end of that kerfuffle, in an attempt to summarize some of the major outstanding issues and lessons learned, I wrote:
- Long-form video presents unique challenges with respect to editability. For anyone without access to the original narrator, for instance, correcting something as a small as a single word of narration often means re-recording the entire voice-over. Videos aren't susceptible to the same easy discussion and revision that text is; we're much closer to a binary take-it-or-leave-it situation.
- Long-form video presents particular challenges with respect to WP:V and sourcing. Do we require inline notes at the bottom of the screen? Endnotes at the end of the video? Footnoted scripts? Throw up our hands in despair?
- Long-form video often has accessibility issues, unless great care is taken to ensure consistent and complete captioning.
- For long-form video summaries, how do we decide which articles get them, and who decides if they stay or go, and where do they appear in the article? Who signs off on the script and storyboard?
- Is it appropriate or viable to present many of our topics in a long-form video format at all?
- Though it's been a few years, it strikes me as unlikely that those issues have all been satisfactorily resolved. Videos that attempt to mirror all (or a portion) of a Wikipedia article will struggle to remain aligned with the much-more-easily updated, expanded, and corrected Wikipedia text, even under the best of circumstances. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you TenOfAllTrades; that's deeper and more comprehensive than I dared hope. I've found 28 examples by looking for edit summaries mentioning "video" of an editor[1] whose addition came up on my watchlist, upon which I found more they'd added that day. These might be all or we might find more if we could eg identify which files in the Commons category are in use on en.wiki. Starting with the most recent we have University of the Netherlands lectures uploaded to Commons from Youtube and used in:
- Memory (reverted and reinstated)
- Serendipity (reverted and reinstated)
- Statistical correlations of criminal behaviour (reverted and reinstated)
- Co-living
- Humanitarian aid
- Propaganda
- Control of fire by early humans
- Video game#Beneficial uses
- Sustainable seafood
- Action film#Female characters and actors
- Artificial intelligence#Risks
- Noise-induced hearing loss
- Value of time
- Online dating application
- Allergy
- Human trafficking
- List of female action heroes and villains
- Anorexia nervosa
- Attention
- Fire making
- Antibiotic#History
- Global digital divide
- Digital divide#Global level
- Internet in Africa
- Environmental issues with coral reefs
- Impacts of tourism#Environmental impacts
- Plastic pollution
- Environmental health#Concerns
- (That edit summary search also has the earlier additions of an Osmosis video to Irritable bowel syndrome and a US Department of Energy one to Electric vehicle#Stabilization of the grid and Smart grid.)
- I've checked a couple on Youtube and found "Creative Commons Attribution licence (reuse allowed)".
- I'd hoped to discuss with the editor per WP:BRD when they'd picked one article talk page – I suggested that when they posted to my talk page at User talk:NebY#Educational/explainer videos – but they reinstated some anyway. Now that I've found all those examples, I'm wondering whether an article talk page really is best. Suggestions welcome, and if you'd like to take the lead, having thought about it much more than I have, that would be absolutely fine! NebY (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I haven't quite as much time to devote to Wikipedia as I once did; I won't be able to lead the charge on this. It is concerning that PJ Geest has shown little willingness to engage with other editors about his campaign to add videos - mostly from a single publisher? - to a large number of articles. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 11:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Quite understood - I'm trying to manage my own wiki-time and attention, and you've helped a lot already. I'll see how discussion on an article talk page goes. NebY (talk) 11:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am really sorry I did not follow WP:BRD 3 times, really sorry. I will not do this again. Off course I am available to talk about this. The videos are funded by the Dutch governement, so there is no problem like Osmosis that the videos come from an outside company. n extra argument for keeping the videos is that commercial websites like YouTube become more and more attractive and users increasingly expect answers to their search queries in rich content (e.g., image, video, and audio formats), see following post What does the world need from us now? External Trends to Watch. So Wikipedia cannot stay behind, it should stay attractive. --PJ Geest (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- You mentioned WP:NOTYOUTUBE, this is not an offical guideline of wikipedia, and WP:EL is not applicable because it is not an external link. There is no issue of WP:NPOV, these lectures are given by scientists! And there is also not a problem of Wikipedia:Verifiability because it is a reliable source by itself because these lectures are given by scientists (mostly professors which publish a lot of research about the subject). --PJ Geest (talk) 12:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you have a video made by a Wikipedia editor, then each thing which is said should be verifiable ([[Wikipedia:Verifiability ) off course, there should be links to scientific or other reliable sources for each thing which is said in the video. But if the video is by a scientists this is verifiable by itself because a scientist (in the cases of these videos mostly a professor) is a reliable source, its just the same as referring in the text to a vulgarizing article of the same scientist. --PJ Geest (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Quite understood - I'm trying to manage my own wiki-time and attention, and you've helped a lot already. I'll see how discussion on an article talk page goes. NebY (talk) 11:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I haven't quite as much time to devote to Wikipedia as I once did; I won't be able to lead the charge on this. It is concerning that PJ Geest has shown little willingness to engage with other editors about his campaign to add videos - mostly from a single publisher? - to a large number of articles. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 11:03, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for joining the discussion, PJ Geest.
- I suspect that since this conversation is now a few days old, and halfway up the page, it's probable that only you, me, and NebY will read anything further written here. I suspect that if either of you would like to get broader input on the appropriate way to incorporate (or not) these videos into Wikipedia you would be well-served to open a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) or start a Wikipedia:Requests for comment.
- That said, PJ Geest, I will note that your interpretation of some of Wikipedia's core content policies is...out of step with the Wikipedia community's usual understanding. While the videos are verifiably the words of the presenter or the organization they represent, words and images do not become inherently reliable for Wikipedia purposes simply because they are delivered by a scientist or university professor.
- The views of one scientist or institution may or may not reflect the consensus of all experts in their field. (Indeed, in some fields there may not be a consensus view, and presenting just one expert's view may omit important alternative perspectives.) Their individual judgements about which aspects of a topic are fundamental, or true, or contested, are not necessarily the decisions that Wikipedia would make. Privileging one professor's point of view over all others is a rather long way from WP:NPOV (Wikipedia's neutral-point-of-view policy). Their choices about which views to present are not necessarily the same as ours might be, which runs into problems with WP:WEIGHT (Wikipedia's rules on due versus undue weight for content).
- These issues are compounded when someone places these videos prominently in the header of each article, as you have often done. It emphasizes and implicitly endorses one particular speaker and their one particular viewpoint, suggesting to our readers that this one individual represents and speaks for Wikipedia. It is particularly problematic when an essentially uneditable, unrevisable, uncorrectable video tries to supplant the core content of the encyclopedia "anyone can edit".
- It is true that Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not YouTube is an essay and not a policy (I said as much when I linked it). Nevertheless, Wikipedia's essays and guidelines are often useful references, that save repeating the same arguments over and over in different places. You've cited a blog post from one person at the WMF, who has perhaps a different vision--but which also does not represent Wikipedia policy. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:53, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- While you were writing this, I was slowly posting Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Video lectures! I feared we'd drifted into discussing what policy should be, rather than whether we have policy or guidelines and what understanding has developed so far, and might well have exhausted your patience, so thank you! That VPP discussion might lead to an RFC eventually, but that might go better after some open discussion first.
- PJ Geest, given your comments here I felt that normal discussion on a single article talk page might not resolve anything and this is, after all, not the policy forum. I've alluded briefly to your stance; if you're not already persuaded by TenOfAllTrades's words here, I hope you'll join that discussion. NebY (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
I agree for polarised/sensitive/controversial issues you should not rely too much on the view of one scientist, but almost all videos are about non-sensitive/non-controversial issues, so the scientist just represents the scientific consensus. So videos should be judged on an individual basis (like is also the policy on the Dutch wiki) --PJ Geest (talk) 18:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
June 13
My edits are never saved
I am trying to edit this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viber, and I am adding words/sections that are updated and relevant about the company, including sources, and it's still always reverted back to the way it was and not saved. Why it is not saved despite the fact that I am always providing the reasons and links? Who can I speak to in order to solve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CKWiki1818 (talk • contribs) 07:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- An edit will not save if it has an external link on the spam blacklist. However, could you give some more detail or a screenshot showing what is happening here?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not ask for help in multiple places. Look for a response at the WP:TEAHOUSE MB 07:15, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Vandalism help request from Tbeut
I have noticed some vandalism at [[2]]. Namely, the link to the Calf Creek Texas History website http://www.calfcreek.net/calfcreek.html. goes to a pornographic website. Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Tbeut (talk) 11:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Tbeut! The link you have copied here does not do that for me, not does the one in the article (which has not been edited in the last 4 months). Perhaps there is malware on your own device?.
- Edited to add – now the destination page is showing up blank. I suspect that the website itself is undergoing some kind of attack and/or maintenance issue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.154 (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
KwaZulu Natal Floods
In April 2022, days of heavy rain across KwaZulu natal in Southeastern South Africa led to deadly floods. Particularly hard-hit were areas in and around Durban.At least 435 people died across the province with an unknown number of people missing as April 22. Several thousand homes were damaged and destroyed. Critical infrastructure, including major roads, transportation, and electrical systems were also impacted by the flooding, and this damage greatly hampered recovery and relief efforts. It is one of the deadliest natural disasters in the country in the 21st century. The floods have caused more than R17 billion in infrastructure damage. Rescuers are in search of dozens of people who are still missing in floods. After floods and mudslides friggered by heavy rains recent days killing more than 500 people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.116.242.160 (talk) 12:33, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why are you copypasting the lede of our article 2022 KwaZulu-Natal floods to this editing helpdesk? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.131.154 (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Images
How could i add images to my articles while editing by source please tell me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrbigdog1 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rrbigdog1: see Extended image syntax. The most basic form is [[File:Example.jpg|thumb|image caption]] and looks like on the right. Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 14:14, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rrbigdog1:: For an image that is not already uploded to Wikipedia or Commons, the single most important step is to ensure the image copyright is acceptable. If it is not, then we will delete the image.
- find or create an appropriate image on your computer. If you did not create the image yourself, make sure the copyright holder has provided an acceptable license.
- use the upload wizard to upload the image to Commons.
- Add the correct "file" syntax to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch dude (talk • contribs) 15:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
I can't view images
For some reason I am unable to see images on either wikipedia or at Commons, but can see pictures everywhere else I go. This is after 15 years (or whatever) of being able to see them. Is there a setting or something I can do to change this. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a bit of a long shot, Carptrash but have you accidentally blocked the images within the settings on your browser? MS Edge and Chrome (I think) have a "Cookies and site permissions" entry which you can deliberately single out a particular site/domain and block things like its ability to geolocate you or to activate your camera (for example). It would be possible to block images entirely using these settings. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Michael D. Turnbull - my tech brother is comming over later today. We'll give this a shot. Carptrash (talk) 15:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Help on citing
In the article Lakeside, Ohio, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakeside,_Ohio, I saw the error message in my citing, problem = External link in |<param>=, and I went to the help page, but when I looked through and went back to the original article, the parameter that I was using to hold the URL wasn't on the list of non-URL-holding parameters on the Help: page (I think!). So currently I am stuck on what to do! Am I wrong? I'm definitely not a tech person, so if this could be explained that would be great, Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mozart12345678910 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mozart12345678910 - Eagleash has fixed the error with this edit. The error is that the "website=" parameter is not supposed to contain a URL, but rather the name of the website hosting the content (see here for more information about what that parameter is asking for). That said, I don't think Kiddle meets Wikipedia's requirements for a reliable source as the disclaimer at the bottom of the website notes that, "Kiddle encyclopedia articles are based on selected content and facts from Wikipedia, edited or rewritten for children." In other words, using this as a source for a Wikipedia article presents circular referencing problems. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mozart12345678910: (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
~~~~
. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:31, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Moving a page over a redirect
I was curious whether moving/accepting Draft:Blind Landing to Blind landing would cause issues. I've never come across a draft with a pre-existing redirect in mainspace. Based on WP:MOR, I think it would be fine, but I'm not sure how the AFC helper script differs from just moving the draft. I'm also not sure whether to move or accept the draft. I found it after it had been rejected and made improvements to it, which is okay to do before accepting a draft. However, I was also the one who resubmitted it to AFC. I just don't see the point of waiting any longer for another AfC reviewer to accept it when the backlog is so long and I am confident it should be published to mainspace. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Or perhaps I should move Draft:Blind Landing to Draft:Blind Landing (podcast) and then accept it or move it to mainspace. I suppose I could have asked this at WP:AFCHD. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @TipsyElephant There is a speedy deletion criteria just for that situation, CSD G6. Tag the redirect with {{Db-move}}, include in your reason that it is holding up an accepted AFC submission, and wait for an admin to come along. You should do everything else that needs to be done for it to be mainspace ready, including removing the AFC templates, etc., so all the admin has to do is delete the redirect and move the page. You should also make sure there is no history behind the redirect that needs to be preserved (in this case I already checked and their isn't, but if it was ever merged and the history needs to be retained the process is more complicated). ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @TipsyElephant: You (or someone) will need to fix all the incoming links to Blind landing, and also place hatnotes on the new article and on Instrument approach. -Arch dude (talk) 21:41, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Arch dude: I don't have a ton of experience with hatnotes either. Was the hatnote I used for Blind Landing appropriate? What would you recommend for Instrument approach? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @TipsyElephant: Now that I look at it, maybe no hatnote is needed in Instrument approach, because the term "blind landing" does not occur there. That's odd, given the old redirect. Your hatnote in the new article looks good to me, but I'm not an expert either. -Arch dude (talk) 21:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Arch dude: I don't have a ton of experience with hatnotes either. Was the hatnote I used for Blind Landing appropriate? What would you recommend for Instrument approach? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
June 14
Threatened with being blocked
Help, some editors are against my edits and I am being threatened with being blocked with what I think are best to edit to keep on Wikipedia. It's my definitions against theirs and I don't want to go into this fighting, but rather, I actually want my edits published. The old edits were cruel and mean. 118.208.233.159 (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Canvassing to win an edit war is a spectacularly bad idea. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi IP 118.208.233.159. Another editor has opened a discussion about this at WP:DR/N#List of Vietnamese Americans and you're welcome to participate in it. If, on the other hand, you continue to try and force the changes you think should be made into the article despite the objections of others, your account is likely going to end up being blocked for edit warring by an administrator. When there are disagreements over content, users are expected to try and resolve them per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution; moreover, the WP:ONUS generally falls upon the user wanting to make a certain change to establish a WP:CONSENSUS that it should be made, particularly when others are in disagreement and the change has been reverted multiple times. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
My Saved articles
Hi, I have several hundred saved articles and I would access them with a saved icon at The bottom of the page. This icon does not appear on my new device. Help please, how do I find Saved articles?
John Naughton
User Naughton1237 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naughton1237 (talk • contribs) 01:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Naughton1237: What was your old device and what software (browser or app) were you using? What is your new device and what browser or app does it use? I have always used a browser, and Wikipedia has no "saved articles" in the brower, so I suspect this list was saved locally on your old device. -Arch dude (talk) 01:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Naughton1237: Saved pages is a feature in some Wikipedia apps. It is not available in browsers. mw:Wikimedia Apps/iOS FAQ#I have the Wikipedia app for Android or on another iOS device, how do I share or sync these lists? says it can be synced between devices but only if they both use a Wikipedia app. I haven't tried it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:40, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
How many contested speedy deletions are actually successful?
I've seen quite a few pages up for speedy deletion. Some of them have 'Contest this speedy deletion' buttons on their speedy deletion tags. However, when I go to the talk page, some of the contested speedy deletions don't address the reasons for deletion. Even if they do, most people who tag pages for speedy deletion understand the criteria. Most pages up for speedy deletion eventually get deleted, despite the existence of contested speedy deletion sections. So how often does a contested speedy deletion save the page from deletion? weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 02:17, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- In my experience: occasionally, but not often. When I evaluate a speedy I typically make my own decision about if the content matches the criteria. It's rare that anyone has contested it. Most of the time when they have, although I do read it, it doesn't change my mind. Only in borderline cases does it normally make a difference. That said, sometimes it can be used to highlight things the admin may not notice on their own. For example, one time there were a bunch of photos of Queen Elizabeth tagged as redundant duplicates. I would have deleted them because, at first glance they did seem like duplicates. However the talk page contestation pointed out that they weren't the same photo, but rather a series of stills from a video, and there were subtle differences between them. I would not have noticed that on my own. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 04:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
How to make article in my sandbox live
Hi, I have created article/content (with proper sources & references) which is in my sandbox. How to make it live on Wikipedia ?
The article "Rajkumari Amrit Kaur College of Nursing, New Delhi" is about a public funded Nursing College established in 1946. There exit a wikipedia Blue link 'Rajkumari Amrit Kaur College of Nursing' but if you click it you get re-directed to the page of University of Delhi.
Please let me know regards Rathish — Preceding unsigned comment added by RathishN (talk • contribs) 04:57, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi RathishN. Unfortunately, your sandbox isn't ready (at least in my opinion) to be upgraded to article status. There are quite a number of formatting issues and style issues that probably need to be fixed first before it will even be ready for review. What I suggest you do is go to WP:AFC and click on Click here to start a new article. Since you've already been practicing in your sandbox, keep clicking on Next (make sure to carefully read through the information on each page) until you reach the "Common mistakes" page. This is an important page so make sure you carefully read through the information it contains and then click on whichever button applies to you. When you get to the "Draft creation" page, make sure you enter the name of the subject you want to create an article about where it says "Enter your draft name here". This will be, at least for the time being, the name of your draft; it can be changed later if needed. Once you've created the draft, it will be found at
[[Draft:The name of your draft]]
. You can then copy-and-paste the content in your user sandbox into the new draft. After you've done that, I suggest you take a look at Help:Your first article, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and Help:Referencing for beginners for some general information that should help you understand (1) why certain subjects are OK to write Wikipedia articles about and (2) how articles are expected to be written and formatted. When you've straightened out the formatting and other issues of the draft and feel it's ready for review, just click on Submit the draft for review! and it will be reviewed. If the draft is accepted by a reviewer, they will take care of the redirect page issue. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Redirect from misspelling
Hi, what is the policy on the English Wikipedia for redirects from misspellings? Is that done on purpose or did this happen by accident? --217.239.4.204 (talk) 05:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi IP 217.239.4.204. In some cases, a redirect may have been created if the misspelling is quite common as explained in the 12th bullet point of WP:RPURPOSE. My guess is that's what was done in the case of Mount McKinely, but perhaps such a redirect is no longer necessary since Mount McKinley now redirects to Denali. If you believe that to be the case, you can start a discussion about the redirect at WP:RFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as a mountaineer, it is clear to me that Denali is now the accepted name of the highest mountain peak in North America, located in Central Alaska. That being said, redirects of plausible misspellings should be maintained as a convenience to our readers. The existence of a redirect to the proper article title is in no way an endorsement of the incorrect name or spelling. It is an aid to readers. Cullen328 (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi IP editor. You may be interested to look at the history page of the misspelling, here. It was created in 2009 to assist readers searching using the wrong spelling and then in 2015 a bot came along to remove what are called double-redirects (i.e. it would be inefficient to go from "Mount McKinely" -> "Mount McKinley" -> "Denali"). Mount McKinley is itself now a redirect, of course. Redirects are cheap and tend to proliferate even when arguably obsolete, as in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speaking as a mountaineer, it is clear to me that Denali is now the accepted name of the highest mountain peak in North America, located in Central Alaska. That being said, redirects of plausible misspellings should be maintained as a convenience to our readers. The existence of a redirect to the proper article title is in no way an endorsement of the incorrect name or spelling. It is an aid to readers. Cullen328 (talk) 06:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I marked it with {{R from misspellings}}. MKFI (talk) 13:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Help clearing "check URL value" error
I can't figure out how to clear the "check URL value" error in reference number 6 in the article Kevin Van Winkle. It's a (valid) cite of a tweet. Can you help? Thanks and best wishes, Jeffrey Beall (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC).
- @Jeffrey Beall The "user" parameter in the cite tweet needs to match the twitter account's username. In citation 6 it should be "ColoSenGOP" not "Colorado Senate Republicans". If you want to use the full name of the organisation as well this needs to go in the "author" parameter. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 11:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much indeed. This fix resolved the error. Jeffrey Beall (talk) 11:19, 14 June 2022 (UTC).
Specific policy or guideline about peacock links?
I'm sure I've read a guideline or policy many moons ago that basically said don't do 'fame by association' linking like in this example "Fred Bloggs was the camera operator on Wikipedia: The Movie starring Johnny Depp, Daniel Day-Lewis, Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Tom Hanks and Directed by...etc" any ideas what I'm thinking of? - X201 (talk) 11:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- The closest I can find is the essay Wikipedia:Identifying blatant advertising#Behalf of a person:
- Name-dropping of more famous people, groups, media.
- PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think it falls under WP:CONTEXT as even if Bloggs did operate the camera and it was relevant to his article to mention those he photographed, it would be over-linking and distracting to the reader to link all the names. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestions. My thoughts on it land in-between both suggestions. I wanted to succinctly point to something when trying to find a BLP editor to give a particular article a good shake. The article in question is Benson Taylor, which I've tried to prune the puffery out of every now and then, but now I think it needs an editor willing to attack it from the ground up. - X201 (talk) 13:28, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's not perfectly relevant to what you're asking, but could you be thinking of WP:INHERIT? CodeTalker (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
CREATING A WIKI BOOK
Hi. my brother has created over 1000 wiki pages, I know you can create a wiki book based on various subjects = how do I create on just based on who was the creator of the page? (basically -create an encyclopedia just of his pages thanks david — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.235.98.140 (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the book project was shut down last year. See Wikipedia:Books for more information. The box at the top of that page gives information on the shut down process. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:11, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you know his user name though, you can always look at his contributions and filter to page creations to see the pages he's created. You could then print those to pdf and save them that way. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 14:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
template:pin section
I noticed several sections in some noticeboards that weren't being addressed for quite a while (such as this and this) and are pertty close to being automatically archived. Are there any rules about who is allowed to use or remove this template or when is it supposed to be used? Or is there anything else I should do to bring attention to these discussions? 67.21.154.193 (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Linking Wikidata
Recently, I was attempting to replace a dead link and the only related information on any Wikimedia site was a Wikidata page. I attempted to use the regular format for linking Wiki articles but seemed to be unable to do so. How would I link a Wikidata article? And is it proper procedure to do so? --99.209.44.10 (talk) 13:33, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you were trying to replace a red link like this, and all you found was a Wikidata item, then probably the red link should be left, if it is a plausible subject for an article. There is general advice at Wikipedia:Red link, but if you can provide the red link and the article, we could give more specific advice. TSventon (talk) 13:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Whoops, I had been removing red links, and will have to undo that. I promise it was in good faith, but it might take me/us a while to fix it because of unrelated reasons. -99.209.44.10 (talk) 13:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- I believe red links were more useful when there were fewer articles and thus more gaps, but there is still Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red, which aims to replace red links with articles about women. TSventon (talk) 14:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Whoops, I had been removing red links, and will have to undo that. I promise it was in good faith, but it might take me/us a while to fix it because of unrelated reasons. -99.209.44.10 (talk) 13:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Translation links conflict La Lupa (Swiss singer)
Hi people. This article is translated into for other languages, however the language linking is giving conflict with a Wikimedia page. Clould you please fix this, thank you. Equivalent pages in all five languages are: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lupa https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lupa_(cantante_suiza) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lupa_(Swiss_singer) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lupa_(cantante) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Lupa Neuralia (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Fixed I fixed this in Wikidata, so it links to those other articles. Seems like someone had created a duplicate in Wikidata. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:05, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Change draft to official text
Hello, I'm creating the English page of a great Brazilian drummer, Tutty Moreno. However, I created in draft mode and now, to preserve what I've already done, I had to publish so as not to lose. I need to get out of draft mode and continue working on the text to actually publish the edited page. Can someone help me? I haven't finished it yet, maybe I need a few days to put all the references and information. Please, what do I do to withdraw from draft mode? ThanksRummiEnglish (talk) 18:06, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @RummiEnglish "publish changes" should be interpreted as "save changes", it does not mean "publish to the main encyclopedia" (the button was renamed to this a couple years ago to remind everyone that pretty much anything here is publicly visible, provided that one knows where to look. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review, as well as done a bit of syntax cleanup and removing an instance of
{{DISPLAYTITLE}}
that didn't apply. DISPLAYTITLE can only be used to do cosmetic changes to the page title, not change the title altogether. Changing the title completely requires a page move, which, in this case, is not generally recommended for new users. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:32, 14 June 2022 (UTC)- Ok. Thank you. RummiEnglish (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
GETTING INFORMATION OR WRITE-UP IN WIKIPEDIA.
How do I get information about by socio-cultural organization in Wikipedia so that people can search and access information about this club? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:24A7:1410:D007:3E21:3827:603 (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. You don't, because that's not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is interested in what others say about your organization, not what it says about itself. 331dot (talk) 18:52, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Shady Cove, Oregon
I am the City Administrator of the City of Shady Cove, Oregon. The information on your site describing our fair City is very old. IN fact, about 4 Mayors ago. :) What can we do to edit the information?
Thank you, Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by City of Shady Cove (talk • contribs) 21:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @City of Shady Cove: For one, change your username to something else, as it violates Wikipedia's username policy. Once that's done, please disclose your conflict of interest (and as you're doing it on behalf of the city, you must disclose a paid relationship. After that, you may make edit requests backed up by reliable sources on Talk:Shady Cove, Oregon. Please do not directly edit the article, unless it's to remove blatant vandalism. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:43, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you do not know how to change your username, follow the instructions at WP:CHU. interstatefive 23:02, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
How to "wrap" a table based on the device width?
The following table (with {{football kit box}} templates inside each cell) looks fine on desktop view. However, on mobile view, horizontal scrolling is needed to view all the cells. I've been told that scrolling is discouraged. How can I fix the issue? Nehme1499 22:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Monza's first kit in 1912 was blue-and-white. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() In 1920 the kit changed to blue-and-white halves. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The first red-and-white kit appeared in 1932. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() In 1937–38 and 1961–62, Monza wore stripes. |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Variations of a full-red shirt were worn between the 1930s and 2010s... |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ...which alternated with the white-stripe kit, first introduced in 1971. |
- @Nehme1499: The below uses Help:Table#Side by side tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:41, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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June 15
CC drums
There is a very common and popular drum making company, CC drums.
I can't find any information on the CC company on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6080:802:7995:2119:C0A2:B2D8:9A61 (talk) 03:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- If a person, organisation or business does not have an article on Wikipedia, it is because independent people think that it is not notable enough. Wikipedia is not a business directory.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:43, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
First time editor, noticed an article was deleted and replaced with a redirect for baffling reasons. Is there anything I can do to help?
Hello,
Circa 2016, I was into rockets, and there was a decent page on the topic of "Asparagus Staging". It was rather short, as it was not currently implemented in any form of rocket, however it was informative.
A few years later, remembering that said article existed, I looked it up again, and was confused to be greeted with a redirect to here. This page did not refer to asparagus staging by name, does not go into detail about how the process works, and gives the impression that it was invented specifically for the Falcon Heavy.
There are 3 solutions I see to this problem, the last one being, in my opinion, the most reasonable:
- Create a new article on the subject (unlikely, as it is about an unimplemented and impractical technology, therefore the article would likely be a stub)
- Delete the redirect (also unlikely, as people who want to know about asparagus staging would likely want at least SOMETHING to show up)
- Redirect to a subsection in the article for rocket staging instead (probably the best option of the bunch, would give more useful information in a more logical setting)
Sincerely, TheSoS9k (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- It's odd that Asparagus Staging redirects to Modular rocket#Falcon Heavy, when that section is much shorter than the article Falcon Heavy. But neither mentions "asparagus". I think your third option is the most promising; or you might instead consider adding your proposed subsection to Falcon Heavy. I can't tell which would be better, as I know nothing about the topic. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for the response!
- Asparagus staging, to my mere no-citations knowledge, was invented long before SpaceX was even founded. The Kerbal Space Program wiki article on the subject (which I will not cite in a prospective subsection, but provided some pointers on where to find more information) points to to two possible sources where I could find more information: a book entitled Orbital Mechanics: Theory and Applications, written by a "Tom Logsdon", and further research on Mikhail Tikhonravov, who supposedly invented the staging type. Therefore, I would rather not put it in a SpaceX related article at all
- One large reason this article was deleted was almost certainly the lack of real-world applications. For technical reasons, asparagus staging, while sound from a physics standpoint, is terrible from an engineering standpoint, and this is significantly more useful in abstract computations than in real life, which is why it is mostly discussed by Kerbal Space Program players. It's also likely that technical sources would use phrases other than "Asparagus Staging" to refer to this staging type, further muddling any queries into reliable sources.
- Hope this provides more information on my plight! TheSoS9k (talk) 08:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Update: I found some information about asparagus staging and Mikhail Tikhonravov in the history and development section of Multistage rockets. Because of that, I think it's safe to say that the phrase "asparagus staging" should redirect there. TheSoS9k (talk) 08:21, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Archives not moved after page move
The two archives at Talk:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric/Archive 1 and Talk:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric/Archive 2 were not moved to the new name when I moved the article to Macedonian Orthodox Church – Archdiocese of Ohrid. Does anyone know what to do to get the bot the move them automatically? Veverve (talk) 07:37, 15 June 2022 (UTC)