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Fix Wikipedia Adventure by adding buttons to progress in "click on edit button" steps
- Note: Moved from VPR, this doesn't need a "proposal" it just needs technical support. Ping for OP: @Aaron Liu:, left a link on VPR — xaosflux Talk 10:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
After some updates, the Wikipedia Adventure can no longer progress after clicking on the edit button. While I don't know about the hooks of the guided tour, I know that we could easily add buttons that say "Clicked!" to have the tour progress itself instead of waiting for an event that never comes. Aaron Liu (talk) 06:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Ocaasi. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging Ragesoss, Mattflascen. I wish I had time or know-how to fix and update, but I really don't anymore. Do either of you know a code-fix for the on-edit step advance? Best, Ocaasi t | c 05:31, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- The "Start the adventure" clickable button doesn't work for me either. Can't figure out why this {{Clickable button 2}} doesn't work. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:33, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is the even more jarring problem for new editors. — xaosflux Talk 10:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Checking a bit, the clickable-button-2 seems to work in general, but not in the other wrapper (see the bottom of Special:PermaLink/1092129349). — xaosflux Talk 10:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Both "Start your adventure" buttons work for me. I am using legacy Vector, FWIW. What does Aaron Liu mean by
can no longer progress after clicking on the edit button
? Can you provide step by step instructions for what does not work? – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:07, 8 June 2022 (UTC)- It doesn't work for me either. If I'm not mistaken it worked a month or two ago when someone on my watchlist was playing it and I too went for fun. Using Vector legacy, beta features on. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 13:24, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- What I meant was not about the start your adventure buttons(these work for me), it was about how the guided tour was stuck on the "click the edit source button to..." step even after you clicked the button. I would like to add some buttons that say "Clicked!" in these steps to have the tour progress. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:57, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- Are you using the 2010 Wikieditor? (check if the wikieditor in the beta features is off) If not, then that is the issue. It depends on which one you are using what can be done.--Snævar (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- Both "Start your adventure" buttons work for me. I am using legacy Vector, FWIW. What does Aaron Liu mean by
- Checking a bit, the clickable-button-2 seems to work in general, but not in the other wrapper (see the bottom of Special:PermaLink/1092129349). — xaosflux Talk 10:15, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- This is the even more jarring problem for new editors. — xaosflux Talk 10:06, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- For Wikieditor 2017 support, shouldSkip and attachTo in the TWA scripts need to be changed, whenever the user is in editing mode. The styles used for Wikieditor 2017 are different than 2010 wikieditor, which is why attachto needs to support both. I have not tested the code, hence not making a edit request right now. (the code below can probably be compacted and improved)
shouldSkip: function() { if (gt.hasQuery( { action: 'edit' } ) == "true" || gt.hasQuery( { vaction: 'editsource' } ) == "true") { return true } else { return false } }
- Making a button like OP wrote for wikieditor 2017 should only be done with an attachTo change, but other than that it is simple:
buttons: [ { name: 'Clicked!', action: 'next', } ],
--Snævar (talk) 15:32, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, something my my own User:Xaosflux/monobook.js seems to be breaking this for me, I just haven't had time to get to the bottom of it yet. — xaosflux Talk 17:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
System problem?
Hey, tech folks and tech lovers,
It's Thursday and I think there might be a system problem but I don't see any messages here about it. It goes from minor things, like my edit count page not updating, to curious things, toolforge says that an AnomieBOT III report was issued at 21:56 UTC when no report has been issued since this morning, to Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories, which was just updated a few minutes ago, including a category that was deleted 15 hours ago.
Since AnomieBOT III wasn't working, I used a Quarry query to find broken redirects in article space and, yes, it did find one...one that existed early this morning and was later fixed a few hours later so it wasn't broken any longer! It's like the system is working with a version of Wikipedia that existed over 12 hours ago, not its current state with all of the changes that have happened since early this morning. Any ideas on what's up? Thanks for any insight your collective minds can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 01:17, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Toolforge bots and tools like Quarry rely on copies of the Wikipedia database, occasionally the process that keeps them up to date breaks and they fall behind. According to the replag tool, it's currently 16 hours behind. I filed phab:T310325 to let the wiki replicas maintainers know about it. Legoktm (talk) 01:43, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I love when people who know how this MediaWiki system works have immediate answers to my questions! Thank you, Legoktm. I guess the only part that surprises me is that it's just now being noticed. Thank goodness we have regularly scheduled bot reports, sometimes the only time I know something has gone wrong is when they don't operate as they always do so dependably. Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, there is now a 34 hour lag. How does the system ever catch up? Liz Read! Talk! 20:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- When it is working it can replicate faster than new data comes in on average. — xaosflux Talk 22:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- The latest message, linked from the phab ticket, says that it should be recovered by Monday. Enjoy the weekend, everyone! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:01, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Monday, huh? Those bot reports are going to be loooong when they finally get updated. That's 4 days worth of data on things that need fixing. Monday will be a busy day! Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The latest info on that phab ticket is that Monday is the latest it would take to recover from this system lag, they expect some parts to be back to normal tomorrow, on Sunday. Liz Read! Talk! 01:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- According to WP:REPLAG - we are caught up. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 20:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The lag maxed out at about 75 hours and then took multiple hours to recover, so services that depend on an up-to-date database were down for more than three days. Ideally, we will receive some advance warning when this will happen again, which it apparently will, since this outage was caused by normal (but infrequent) updates, not a system failure. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- According to WP:REPLAG - we are caught up. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 20:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The latest info on that phab ticket is that Monday is the latest it would take to recover from this system lag, they expect some parts to be back to normal tomorrow, on Sunday. Liz Read! Talk! 01:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Monday, huh? Those bot reports are going to be loooong when they finally get updated. That's 4 days worth of data on things that need fixing. Monday will be a busy day! Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The latest message, linked from the phab ticket, says that it should be recovered by Monday. Enjoy the weekend, everyone! – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:01, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- When it is working it can replicate faster than new data comes in on average. — xaosflux Talk 22:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, there is now a 34 hour lag. How does the system ever catch up? Liz Read! Talk! 20:19, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I love when people who know how this MediaWiki system works have immediate answers to my questions! Thank you, Legoktm. I guess the only part that surprises me is that it's just now being noticed. Thank goodness we have regularly scheduled bot reports, sometimes the only time I know something has gone wrong is when they don't operate as they always do so dependably. Liz Read! Talk! 02:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Important reports
@Liz and Jonesey95:: could you share which reports you find the most important to have updated on a regular basis? We should investigate moving those into MediaWiki special pages so they are supported at a production level. Legoktm (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Here are a few that I look at daily, or more often:
- Also see this thread. It occurs to me that converting reports to Special pages may not be desirable, since Special pages are not typically watchable or customizable and have no talk pages or history to generate diffs from. For example, looking at a daily diff of Wikipedia:Database reports/Unused templates/1 is very useful, since it shows any new entries in a straightforward way. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:35, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, there are so many. It is easier to name the bots whose work I rely on. They include AnomieBOT III, SDZeroBot, BernsteinBot, DumbBot, JJMC89 bot, these are the main ones, they all issue reports daily or throughout the day, that include pages that need tending to. I can track down the exact pages if you need those. So far, SDZeroBot's and DumbBot's reports don't seem to be as affected maybe because they don't rely as much on up-to-date information database information since PRODs were tagged 7 days ago and expiring drafts can be predicted far ahead. Other bots that report broken redirects or empty categories rely on edits that have happened recently, over the past 24 hours. I also rely on Special Page reports but those, so far, have been unaffected by this system lag.
- The phab ticket has some updated information on when this problem will be resolved but I think I saw you post there, Legoktm, so you've probably seen it. I think the most frustrating aspect of this is seeing the tech folks say that this lag was "unavoidable" which implied that it was expected. There used to be notices I'd see when Wikipedia was going to be worked on and would go into read-only mode, so they could have post some kind of notification, if not to the general pool of registered editors than here at WP:VPT or on the bot noticeboard. I think it's an issue of managing expectations and when some aspect of Wikipedia doesn't work as it reliably has for days, weeks or months, it can cause confusion and alarm. Knowing that the bots will be down for 3 or 4 days would eliminate much of this frustration. As Jonesey95 and you state, they also implied that some bot reports should be moved over to Special Pages which I guess is on MediaWiki but I don't know how realistic or feasible that suggestion is. The special page talk pages are unwatched and the ones I rely upon about categories can only be updated every 3 days which makes them less useful than bot reports which are typically more frequent. You can also come to the bot operator when there are problems and, in my experience, they have been very responsive. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you don't mind a dumb question, what is this distinction that the developers make on the phab ticket between a task or job being "production" or it not being production? Does this define what problems they work on and ones that are someone else's responsibility? Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good question, it's really jargon these days. Broadly speaking, Wikimedia infrastructure are divided into two main categories, "production", which consists of the servers, databases, and associated services that run all the wikis (anything on the primary wikipedia/wikimedia/etc. domains), and "cloud", which consists of Toolforge, Quarry, Beta Cluster, and more (usually on wmflabs/wmcloud/toolforge domains). production is ultimately maintained by the Wikimedia SRE team (~45 people), who are on-call 24/7 in case of outages/emergencies. In contrast, cloud is maintained by the Cloud Services team (5 people), which doesn't have amount of staffing for on-call. (I haven't been on the Cloud team since late 2020, so I don't have a good sense of that the current threshold for outages that would page people on a weekend/late night).
- Complicating matters is that the wiki replica databases straddle the production/cloud boundary (the sanitization step occurs in production, while the views that allow tools to make queries are maintained on the cloud side), leading to shared responsibility, which both is helpful but can also make it more difficult in diagnosing what is wrong and who is responsible for that part (when I was trying to escalate the issue on IRC I pinged the wrong group of people initially). I hope that answers your question on what "production" is.
- In this case, the lag is caused by a schema change on the production databases that is taking quite a while to apply to the wiki replica database. Up until recently, schema changes were a really manual and rare process. I think we're seeing some of the growing pains of being able to do schema changes faster - and I expect that we'll get better at notifying editors or avoiding the lag entirely over time. Legoktm (talk) 04:19, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, that is really helpful, Legoktm. You are clearly very familiar with the backend of the system we all use. I appreciate the explanation and how some tasks might straddle the line between work groups. Do you expect that schema changes will happen more frequently and we will run into these lags more often? Again, it's about expectations, in reality, I think we all appreciate improvements to the system even if they take some time to do. Liz Read! Talk! 04:37, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll defer to what Ladsgroup said at phab:T310325#7996931. The impression I get is that we have a large backlog of database cleanup, so in the short term we might have some more lag incidents but my hope is that this isn't really an issue long term.
- P.S. back in the Toolserver era we had to deal with replag on the scale of months. I think it's really great that we are now complaining about a few days of replag, it shows how far we've come (and that we still have room to improve!). Legoktm (talk) 05:39, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Wow, that is really helpful, Legoktm. You are clearly very familiar with the backend of the system we all use. I appreciate the explanation and how some tasks might straddle the line between work groups. Do you expect that schema changes will happen more frequently and we will run into these lags more often? Again, it's about expectations, in reality, I think we all appreciate improvements to the system even if they take some time to do. Liz Read! Talk! 04:37, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks both for the input. In my opinion, things that are essential to the operation of the wiki should be part of MediaWiki so they get that "production" level quality of support, both from SREs as explained above, but also from the shared maintenance MediaWiki core gets from all the various devs that work on it versus the one or two botops that operate current reports. MW has a pretty robust system of special pages that can effectively serve as database reports, but as always need more love. I've started working on existing issues like T307314 and T310456 before looking into implementing more reports as special pages.
- I am intrigued by the idea of highlighting new entries somehow, I agree that makes the special pages somewhat inferior to wiki pages. Legoktm (talk) 05:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Moving to special pages might have advantages but could cause problems. As one small use case, I follow WP:Database reports/Linked misspellings (many are typos even when not wikilinked) but deal only with its new entries. I want a diff with the previous day, and I want to get that in arrears after a wikibreak. With a report, that comes free with the page history; with a special page it would be difficult. Enhancing or fixing a report can be done locally; modifying a special page would have to join a long queue of tasks awaiting scarce developer time. Certes (talk) 11:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I started jotting down some notes on wiki pages vs query special pages at mw:User:Legoktm/wiki page or query page - feel free to add. (I'm intentionally skipping over the "who has access to modify/fix things" problem). Legoktm (talk) 23:30, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you don't mind a dumb question, what is this distinction that the developers make on the phab ticket between a task or job being "production" or it not being production? Does this define what problems they work on and ones that are someone else's responsibility? Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
PetScan missing results
I'm trying to list pages in Category:Music memes that are not within the Category:Internet memes hierarchy, e.g. its sub-cats by country/year. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=22260983 says there are 202 not within 1st-level sub-cats, starting with "We Didn't Start the Fire". But https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=22260984 says there are none that are not within 2nd-level sub-cats. Well, that song is not in any other meme categories, so PetScan seems to be malfunctioning. – Fayenatic London 08:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Disclosure: [1] this would have affected it, but I removed that (circular) parenting over 24 hours ago. – Fayenatic London 09:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Apparently there's a 48 hour replag at the moment. See #System problem? above. Maybe that is the reason behind this. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 09:33, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Are contributions from the last two days going to be eventually counted on XTools?
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but currently, if you look at an edit counter like mine, there is a notice at the top that says "Caution: Replication lag is high, changes newer than 2 days may not be shown." What does this mean, and will the changes from the last 2 days be eventually counted when the lag ends? weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 02:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can confirm the lag. Before posting this section, I had 1145 edits according to XTools, and that number still hasn't changed. So yes, there is replication lag. weeklyd3 (message me | my contributions) 02:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- It'll eventually resolve itself. Schierbecker (talk) 08:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
User not found in Xtools
I've noticed that this user has contributions and a live talk page and does not generate the nonexistent user message, but the Xtools tools fail to find this user. They have 3 edits to date, all of which regarded a BLP draft that has been speedy deleted per G10. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:51, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- All of that happened yesterday, more recently than the lagged database is up to. Anomie⚔ 12:18, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
WT:AN#Bug in first section link
Please see Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard#Bug in first section link discussion about a bug with mobile display. Would be nice if someone can help fix it. Thanks. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 04:24, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
RM notice for Template:Timeline
An editor has requested for Template:Timeline to be moved to another page. Since you had some involvement with Template:Timeline, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). I'm also seeking to relocate this template from Category:Timeline templates to the subcategory Category:Generic timeline templates, but can't find where the categories are encoded. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't notice that subcategory, I'll move the template to that category. Categories are generally located on the doc pages, so in this case it is Template:Timeline/doc. – BrandonXLF (talk) 03:11, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
{{unbulleted list}} inside {{br separated entries}} extra line break
Putting this here as the right venue.
Unbulleted lists inside a {{br separated entries}} in an infobox seem to generate one extra line. For instance, Special:Diff/1092557588 and Special:Diff/1077039645 (two different places, same infobox, different articles). Is there a reason for this and how can it be avoided?
Courtesy ping to @BlueboyLINY, Mvcg66b3r, and Nathan Obral: who have been pinged in prior discussions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- If the goal is to avoid separating entries with
<br />
, why is {{br separated entries}} being used? – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)- That was not a decision I made, one of the few items left over from the old Infobox television station structure. Should those be converted to ubls, Jonesey95? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar enough with the accessibility recommendations to know, but it seems those are what is being cited as the reason for replacing br tags with {{ubl}}. It seems like a strange mixture to have ubl wrapped in a template that outputs br tags. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's definitely a concern. In any event, migrating the br templates to ubl fixed the underlying "extra line space" issue in the template. Thank you, Jonesey95. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:31, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar enough with the accessibility recommendations to know, but it seems those are what is being cited as the reason for replacing br tags with {{ubl}}. It seems like a strange mixture to have ubl wrapped in a template that outputs br tags. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- That was not a decision I made, one of the few items left over from the old Infobox television station structure. Should those be converted to ubls, Jonesey95? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The diff and wikitext of 1092557588 is a mess. 1) Don't use lists for things which are not lists (namely, the location). 2) Don't use lists for things which are not at 'the same level' of list (namely, wikitext like
{{ubl|'''Analog:'''|9 ([[Very high frequency|VHF]], 1949–2009)|'''Digital:'''|38 (UHF, 2002–2018)}}
). 3) Don't use lists for start dates ever. Izno (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC) - As for 1077039645, this is not in the infobox. But I expect my cleaning edit for the page owning 1092557588 may/not have fixed that one. Izno (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Lastly, as for the supposed extra link break, I do not see one. Izno (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Page name with underscores to URL in a template
Please fix the encoding of the hosting page name created by {{PAGENAME}} in {{Userpageblue&round}} - when inserted into a page of a user with spaces in a name, only the first word of the name gets included in the resulting URL. Example: Tidjani Saleh. --CiaPan (talk) 05:52, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed:
{{PAGENAME}}
is now replaced by{{PAGENAMEE}}
. This will produce underscores instead of spaces, providing a continuity to the URL. With{{PAGENAME}}
, the spaces in user's name were produced as it is which resulted in the URL being broken at the first space. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 06:03, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Latex
When logged in to Wikipedia, latex code is being displayed rather than the parsed formulae. This does not happen when I am logged out of Wikipedia. It happens for both Firefox and Safari. Burrobert (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Always link to an example page when reporting a problem. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Burrobert if you go to the "appearances" section of your user preferences here what setting do you have for display of mathematical formulas? 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- Under "Math" the radio button for "Latex Source (for text browsers)" is filled in. Regarding examples, afaict this happens on all pages that contain math formulae, e.g. quadratic residue. Burrobert (talk) 14:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Table of contents lacks an scroll bar
Hi, in my opinion table of contents in the new 2022 vector (which exists on the left menu bar) should have an scroll bar. By adding this capability, first, a user can see he/she is in what location of table of contents (near the top or near the bottom of TOC) and second, he can scroll the TOC more easily. I really recommend to add an scroll bar to the TOC by these reasons. Additionally, the word "Contents" should be outside of this scroll bar, and should not be scrolled at all, i.e., it (the word "Contents") should be displayed unrelevant to this fact that we are in what location of an article. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 15:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Hooman Mallahzadeh: we can't really do that here on the English Wikipedia directly, however you can make software suggestions to improve the table of contents under this task: phab:T273473. — xaosflux Talk 15:32, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux I added a comment for these features to that task at Phabricator. Thank you. Hooman Mallahzadeh (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
"automatic citation" bug when using VisualEditor?
Using the automatic citation function of the VisualEditor for this site results in an URL with accidental doubling of some part (e.g. double www). The output is:
<ref>{{Cite web |title=World Record Alert {{!}} USA’s Hunter Armstrong sets new global 50m backstroke standard |url=https://www.fina.org/news/2596440/www.fina.org/news/2596440/world-record-alert-usas-hunter-armstrong-sets-new-global-50m-backstroke-standard |access-date=2022-06-11 |website=FINA - Fédération Internationale De Natation |language=en}}</ref>
Is this something for Phabricator? Searching for "automatic citation of web sources" gives many results there. --Kallichore (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- The automatic citation feature is called Citoid. I have created phab:T310439. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Recovering sources archived at WebCite (webcitation.org)
Though WebCite supposedly still make archives readable, none I've tried are in fact readable. Often, date-specific archives at the Wayback Machine are not available either, since in early days I saved the sources only to WebCite. The result is that sometimes archives are not available, which of course is bad if the original page is now gone.
Request/Question: Is there any way of recovering what was saved at webcitation.org? Were the WebCite archives themselves archived somewhere else? Or are they lost forever?
Please {{reply|RCraig09}}
, thanks. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @RCraig09: if I understand [3], it appears likely a fair amount of the content archived at WebCite was once made available and retrieved by ArchiveTeam in 2019 to be made available at the Internet Archive. However it's not clear to me the current status of this effort other than it being not yet publicly available. [4]. It's possible the demise of Webcite will push efforts forward, but who knows, especially since I don't know the reasons it's still incomplete (perhaps the complexity of integrating it). Until this happens, unless Webcite comes back, your only option is to look for other archives. Unfortunately the content ArchiveTeam retrieved which was formerly available is no longer, so even if someone else wanted to make an effort to revive it, it might be difficult. (Although possibly ArchiveTeam would be willing to assist if it's someone who they feel it's worth their while.) Nil Einne (talk) 08:52, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
wikipedia down
It was completely down 5 minutes ago, I confirmed with isitdown. Now it is running very slow as of 08:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC) Anybody else experiencing this? —usernamekiran (talk) 08:31, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- wikimediastatus.net reports an outtage at 8:14 which was resolved at 8:44 today. That page is an user readable website of the status of WMF wikis. Can not find an phab ticket behind it, might be hidden.--Snævar (talk) 09:07, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- T310431 is one. There might be cross-links to others later — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 11:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
upstream connect error, 12 June 2022
I've had a recurrence of phab:T301505, it lasted for 15 mins or more. Sometimes "upstream connect error", sometimes a HTTP 503 Service Unavailable. This time, the problem also affected Phabricator itself. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had this but it seems ok now.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:42, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I had limited access to the site in "Desktop mode" on mobile (Chrome/Android), though I didn't check it until a minute or so before the site came back, so I don't know if it was available through the entire outage. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 08:46, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I was on desktop mode on Android too. I faced this issue too. The last Wikipedia page to open correctly was at 08:11 per browser history and the next opened at around 08:27 UTC. In the meantime there were errors. This is a different timeframe from what Snævar notes above. In fact, I registered an edit within the outtage period per wikimediastatus.net. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 09:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- to be exact, the error was upstream connect error or disconnect/reset before headers. reset reason: overflow The cryptic nature of the error message leads me to believe that their septic/flush tank had some issues, and overflowed. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Dead interwiki links
Hello from german wikipedia! For the german wikipedia I wrote some script to identify dead interwiki links, now after 2 month almost all those "redlinks" are gone. So maybe the english wikipedia (or others) are interested in such a list. Currently I find 3,706,692 interwiki links to 401 wikis and there are 129,018 "redlinks" in 39,420 articles (I did not check namespace draft). So 3.5 % of those interwiki links are not working, in german wikipedia we had about 3 % such dead links, so there is no big difference. If you are interested, I can create such a list. --Wurgl (talk) 09:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- I find a surprising amount of hostility on en-wiki to inter-languguage links. I do not understand why, machine translation is so easy and the imperfections are fairly minor. Of course, you must apply some common sense in how you use them. But most of the time, it's more than adequate.
- The most mundane approach is just to use an inter-wiki link (e.g.. [[:language-code:articlee_name]]).
- In preference to this is
{{ill|article_name|language-code...}}
. This is generally acceptable, but raises a lot of discussion as to the most languages you should ever specify. (I would peronally not go crazy about this, but it seems to generate more heat than light.) - However, I think that is greatly inferior to speicfying the wikidata parameter with
{{ill}}
. This is the most maintainable approach. People seem to complain about the Wikidata interface, and I really have no idea why. I don't doubt the Wikidata interface can be improved, but it's just not that onerous. Of course, it's confusing until you understand what's going on, people who care will figure it out, there are many stumbling blocks in using Wikipedia. - Anyway, I have no understanding of WP auomation or scripting, so I couldn't use it, but it sounds like a great offer and something that somebody in en-wiki should be taking you up on. Fabrickator (talk) 20:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Wurgl, if it's bot-related, you might want to post at WP:BOTN. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- The german list: It is very simple de:Benutzer:Wurgl/Interwiki Rotlinks and yes, it is bot-related, but I think I do not need a bot-flag. --Wurgl (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:12, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- (not directly related, but I will ask anyway) What about interlanguage links that link to redirects, and that redirect goes to a page that is present in the same Wikidata item as the original article (where the interlanguage link came from)?--Snævar (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Good Article Counter missed one
The Good Article counter is not counting my GA for Lambert Gas and Gasoline Engine Company. It gives me 216 GAs, however I have really done 217 GAs. Can it be fixed so it gives me the correct count, by counting everything. This may be a clue Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:39, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps this is related to #System problem? above. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh 22:23, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Doug Coldwell You mean this GA counter? This appears strange, as this tool doesn't depend on the toolforge databases that were lagged. Will look into it ... – SD0001 (talk) 10:10, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- @SD0001: Yep! The "techie talk" you speak of is already over my head. Thanks for looking into it. It seems to have missed just Lambert Gas and Gasoline Engine Company. So, apparently somewhere along the line of closing this GA review a step was missed (guessing).--Doug Coldwell (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:22, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Display of numbers goes wrong in this list in mobile view only
Please see this mobile version of List of vehicle speed records. Evenon a wide screen, it geos terribly wrong in some cases (especially in the section "Rail vehicles"), but on a smaller mobile screen, nearly all the numbers get a confused jumble across multipe lines, making it impossible to correctly read this. I have no idea what specific element causes this (perhaps the Template:decimal-align?), I guess the people at VPT are more qualified to answer this. That mobile editing has numerous serious issues is well-known, but mobile viewing should work... Fram (talk) 08:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Fram does the first table there look better for you in this revision? The page authors have applied some very specific width allocations on those tables and their columns - in the revision I linked above I let the first table just fill naturally without that specification (left the other tables for comparison). — xaosflux Talk 09:47, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, but the improvement is minor. On a widescreen, it is better, but when reducing the width e.g. the first cell still reads "1,2.98" (first line) "275" (second line)" instead of "1,227.985" (or e.g. "1,227" (first line) ".985" (second line)). For some reason he is line-wrapping the number in this very strange way: while the wrap itself may be caused by the widths, the wrapping in two parts should never happen and seems to be due to either a local template (convert or decimal-align) or a more global technical issue. Fram (talk) 09:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- {{decimal-align}} is most likely the culprit. It splits the number into two floats, and each float would wrap independently. Anomie⚔ 11:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yup. There is a proposal to do this aligning properly in CSS, based on the character, but that's not supported in any browser yet. The best way for now to do this is simply have an equal amount of numbers after the decimal point and right align. These kinds of hacks that decimal-align applies are really shaky. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:55, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks! Fram (talk) 13:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- May need both of these to fix it for more screens, add trailing zeros to make the decimals the same length, and get rid of the fixed width allocations. — xaosflux Talk 13:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- If you don't want trailing zeros over concern about implying more significant figures than are present, you could try using figure spaces instead. Anomie⚔ 11:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- May need both of these to fix it for more screens, add trailing zeros to make the decimals the same length, and get rid of the fixed width allocations. — xaosflux Talk 13:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks! Fram (talk) 13:25, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yup. There is a proposal to do this aligning properly in CSS, based on the character, but that's not supported in any browser yet. The best way for now to do this is simply have an equal amount of numbers after the decimal point and right align. These kinds of hacks that decimal-align applies are really shaky. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:55, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- {{decimal-align}} is most likely the culprit. It splits the number into two floats, and each float would wrap independently. Anomie⚔ 11:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, but the improvement is minor. On a widescreen, it is better, but when reducing the width e.g. the first cell still reads "1,2.98" (first line) "275" (second line)" instead of "1,227.985" (or e.g. "1,227" (first line) ".985" (second line)). For some reason he is line-wrapping the number in this very strange way: while the wrap itself may be caused by the widths, the wrapping in two parts should never happen and seems to be due to either a local template (convert or decimal-align) or a more global technical issue. Fram (talk) 09:54, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
logged out automatically
Hello. A few minutes ago, I realised I was logged out of my this (usernamekiran) account automatically. I login to Wikipedia/media/tech using four devices. One computer, and three mobiles. All of them are password protected, and only I have access to them. In case somebody wants to use my computer for any purpose, or mobile browser, I always log out. Logging out from on device logs me out from everywhere. For using other accounts, I always use private browsing, and it doesnt have any effect on my main window's login session. It certainly hasn't been 365 days since my last login (I had logged out recently). So it was surprising when I found out I was logged out of the account. And it is not even Thursday. I have a super-duper strong password, which I changed a few minutes ago. I also checked my global contribs, no suspicious activity found. Has this happened with someone else as well? —usernamekiran (talk) 08:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran: If you are logged in on two or more devices, logging out of any one of them will always log you out on all of the others, regardless of whether it's a private session or not. It's because the action of logging out sends a message to all servers to invalidate all login cookies with your name on. This is not new, it's been the case for at least as long as I've been around (13 years). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: yes, I am aware of that. I don't click on "log out" during the private session. I directly close the window, that doesn't log me out from the other sessions. While editing English, and Marathi wikipedia, I regularly do the account switching/hopping from private window for KiranBOT, and KiranBOT II; it doesn't log me out from main window's "usernamekiran" account. —usernamekiran (talk) 09:36, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Template:District line simple RDT
Can someone please fix the "Paddington" link in Template:District line simple RDT? The correct target is Paddington tube station (Bakerloo, Circle and District lines). Animal lover |666| 11:35, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Done Certes (talk) 12:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Animal lover 666: My edit has been reverted, so perhaps you can find consensus for the best link target on the template's talk page. Certes (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have no doubt that I'm right here, but that's between me and the reverting user. Thanks for showing me how to do it and for informing me of the revert. Animal lover |666| 06:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Warning when trying to update a file which prompts that your updated file cannot be accepted.
I'd like help with an error that pops up every time I try to update files, it doesn't matter if I match the size of the new image with the old one or the file type.. it will simply give you warnings over and over again, making it impossible to progress, it shouldn't be this hard to update files when you use the correct file type which is shown. Hogyncymru (talk) 15:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- This error suggests you are trying to upload a file with a name that ends in ".svg", but where the file content is actually not actually a Scalable Vector Graphics file. Is that actually wrong? — xaosflux Talk 15:29, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Even if it is an oversight, why is it so sensitive?, I shouldn't have to figure out why my file isn't accepted. I'll give you a test if you'd like, it's set up here , if you download the file in question and use that to update the old file see what happens (the file needs updating anyway as it's inaccurate)Hogyncymru (talk) 15:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- So did you download an SVG file, edit it in to a PNG formatted file, then try to upload it to replace the old SVG file? If so, after editing you should render it as SVG first. There are many benefits of different file types that those wanting to use or reuse files may consider, so having the name reflect the content is generally useful. commons:Help:Converting#Converting_images and commons:Help:SVG#Converting_to_SVG have more information on this as well. — xaosflux Talk 15:44, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- "It's so sensitive" precisely because editors who don't understand what they're doing can ask editors who do and actually receive help with the issue.
- I assume what you did was that you downloaded one of the rendered .svg files which are rendered to PNG and saved it without changing the file name. And/or you made edits to the PNG subsequently. You are now trying to update the onwiki version, but because you have a PNG and not an SVG, the system is correctly warning you that you have a PNG. To correct the issue, you will need to get the original SVG and then edit that. Izno (talk) 15:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the information, it does help me understand better, but why does it matter if it changes file type? I'm a little confused, why can't wiki deal with the problem Iv'e ended up with? is there a desire to update it to make it easier to change the file no matter the file type?Hogyncymru (talk) 16:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
why can't wiki deal with the problem Iv'e ended up with
Software is not magical. Given the problem you've encountered, no software can fix the issue (at least to the fidelity of the original SVG). This won't be changed in the software. Izno (talk) 16:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)- And the change you are trying to do will replace a relatively high-quality image with a lower quality one (svg-->png). You certainly can fork the image and upload your PNG file, then change pages to use your new image - but replacing it with a high quality SVG would be better for most everyone else. — xaosflux Talk 17:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Hogyncymru There are two main ways of storing images. The first is called raster graphics, you make a list of every pixel in the image and you note down what colour they are, a hypothetical raster graphics file might look something like "row 1: pixel 1 = red, pixel 2 = light red, pixel 3 = pink ...". The second is called vector graphics, you store the image as a list of instructions that are required to draw it, a hypothetical vector file might look like "start with a green background 10 by 10 cm, draw a red line from (2,3) to (5,6) ...". Vector files have a number of advantages over raster ones, the main one being that you can zoom in indefinitely and the image will never get blurry because it can keep on rendering more detail. SVG is a vector file format. PNG is a raster file format. "wiki" cannot automatically change the file format here because it is very very difficult (bordering on impossible) for a computer to take a finished image and figure out a sensible set of brushstrokes it would need to reproduce it - software isn't magic. Even for cases where is is possible to do an automatic conversion (like converting between different types of raster graphics) it has the potential to be problematic and may involve making editorial decisions that affect how the image looks - in the conversion process you can loose detail and create artefacts, you can mess up colour scales and brightness, you can mess up transparent layers, you can end up needing to pad files with borders or trim off the edges, etc. If you want to edit an image the best thing to do is to keep it in the same file format throughout. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the information, it does help me understand better, but why does it matter if it changes file type? I'm a little confused, why can't wiki deal with the problem Iv'e ended up with? is there a desire to update it to make it easier to change the file no matter the file type?Hogyncymru (talk) 16:22, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
- Even if it is an oversight, why is it so sensitive?, I shouldn't have to figure out why my file isn't accepted. I'll give you a test if you'd like, it's set up here , if you download the file in question and use that to update the old file see what happens (the file needs updating anyway as it's inaccurate)Hogyncymru (talk) 15:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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Outdated data-maps. From 2021. In COVID-19 pandemic in Tennessee infobox...is it ok to delete them?
Yeah, I'll post an RfC at the article if required but...
I don't know how to construct these particular files/maps so have posted elsewhere around Wikipedia asking for help - Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop, Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Tennessee, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject COVID-19, a user talk page - trying to get them updated but have been unsuccessful so far. The information on these data-maps dates from February 2021 and March 2021...I have found sources to update the info but graphics-coding is not my strong suit. I am at the point that I think the maps should be excised from the infobox and am wondering what the Village Pump:Technical community thinks.
If anyone around here can update the 4 maps, YAY! Here are the sources I have found. Some of the initial pandemic data sources have gone dark so getting at June 2022 info isn't as easy as it might have been early on.
These are the 4 2021 data-maps, they are hosted on Commons:
- File:COVID-19 Cases in Tennessee by counties.svg
- File:Tennessee COVID-19 Deaths.svg
- File:COVID-19 rolling 14day Prevalence in Tennessee by county.svg
- File:COVID-19 Prevalence in Tennessee by county.svg
- The most recent information can be found at the following sources:
- Johns Hopkins University - June 9, 2022 info/webarchived URL
- Johns Hopkins University - rolling COVID stats for Tennessee, updated weekly:::*State of Tennessee - General TN Stats
- At this time, the State of TN stats seem to be updated weekly, BUT if possible check & confirm with other sources before using.
- State of Tennessee - Testing Rates maps
- State of Tennessee - County Data Snapshots
- State of Tennessee - Epidemiology and Surveillance Data
- NY Times US info/NY Times Tennessee data.
Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 19:56, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- The right place to ask is either the talk page of the article or WT:COVID-19. Izno (talk) 20:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Right place... Well, bless your heart. Did you see that I had mentioned above I had already asked at both those places? (Plus some other WP-venues before I posted here?) Virtually no replies. Oh well, at this point I'm going to just delete the maps - they are so far out of date they are useless. But thanks - Shearonink (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Honestly, Wikipedia editors seem to have lost interest in regularly maintaining COVID-19 stats. If no one updates them, be bold and remove them from the infobox. A much better position for them will be the February 2021 section in te timeline. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 22:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know the data is overwhelming and we are all overwhelmed - I get that, there's a g-d- pandemic going on. I just wish I could get someone to do the updated maps to sometime this year.... I'll remove them sometime next week when I can sit down and figure out where to stash them in the timeline of the article. Thanks for your input CX Zoom, that's a good idea. I do hate to lose visible good work off of an article. Shearonink (talk) 23:31, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Honestly, Wikipedia editors seem to have lost interest in regularly maintaining COVID-19 stats. If no one updates them, be bold and remove them from the infobox. A much better position for them will be the February 2021 section in te timeline. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 22:04, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
- Right place... Well, bless your heart. Did you see that I had mentioned above I had already asked at both those places? (Plus some other WP-venues before I posted here?) Virtually no replies. Oh well, at this point I'm going to just delete the maps - they are so far out of date they are useless. But thanks - Shearonink (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC)