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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not change the target of the redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for both potential closers and participants.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first or that it has become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
I. | Tag the redirect.
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II. | List the entry on RfD.
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III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
June 6
Vivian Wright (One Life to Live)
- Vivian Wright (One Life to Live) → List of One Life to Live characters (2000s)#Vivian Wright (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This character is not referenced at all on the target page; redirect should be deleted. Bgsu98 (talk) 02:05, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Black anther
- Black anther → Melanthera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is just a translation of "Melanthera", and is not used as a common name for the plant Plantdrew (talk) 18:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete partial title match at best for the black anther flax lily (Dianella revoluta and Dianella admixta). I'm thinking of it as a misspelling for Black Panther but I think that's a very long stretch. --Lenticel (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or make the correction at the target article. If it is not a common name, why does the target say
The generic name means "black anther."
? Jay (talk) 20:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
June 5
Qoi fish
Proposing deletion. This redirect appeared briefly in Qoi disambiguation page, even though it is not real by the author's own admission. From the first edit in version history: "(This article was entirely fictional and used to dupe a grandparent in a game of Scrabble.)" Research verifies this is not a valid word. Nidaana (talk) 20:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy G3 per creators own comment in the page history. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:43, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Left-wing fascism
- Left-wing fascism → Fascism#Position in the political spectrum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Red fascism exists, and the section Fascism#Position in the political spectrum does not cover what one would expect by typing "Left-wing fascism". I feel maybe the redirect should be either retargeted to Red fascism, or turned into a DAB with Red fascism and Fascism#Position in the political spectrum. Veverve (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The original article was deleted because there is no body of literature to explain the notability of the expression. Basically, six authors had written "left-wing fascism," but they all meant different things and did not refer to one another. It's like the term large fish. Each person using the expression will have a different meaning and there is no notable topic. TFD (talk) 21:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete because it has different meanings? What? I don't understand how anyone could have a problem with Left-wing fascism redirecting to Fascism. Where else would the reader learn about what "left-wing fascism" is (and its various meanings) other than the article Fascism? Delete because there is no notable topic? Double what? Since when do redirects need to be notable? I mean, kind of the point of redirects is that they're used for search terms that don't have a notable topic... like left-wing facism... Are you new to RFD? :-P Levivich 16:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - "Left-wing fascism" is discussed at the target, "Fascism#Position in the political spectrum" (search for "fascist left"). It is not discussed at the proposed new target, "Red fascism". As far as I know, it's not discussed at any other potential target except the current one. Readers who want to know what "left-wing fascism" is will find out by reading about it at the article "Fascism". I don't understand what the problem is. Also note the nom has been TBANed from "Russia" at AE. Levivich 16:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, in line with the decision of the latest AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Left-wing_fascism_(4th_nomination). --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- ...delete per the AFD where two out of four delete voters suggested a redirect, which is why I created this redirect? Levivich 04:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The outcome of the discussion was "delete", not "delete & redirect". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- "Delete" does not mean "delete and do not redirect", and no one objected to redirecting. Redirect was suggested partway through by one voter, and the only other voter to vote afterwards agreed. We could ping everyone who voted and see what the think. I'm still baffled that anyone would want to delete this redirect. Why erase this term from the encyclopedia, it's an obvious search term, and readers should be pointed to somewhere that explains what it is (and isn't). "Cuz the AFD" is a pretty poor argument. What is your substantive objection to this redirect? Levivich 05:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging the participants in the AFD in case they want to comment here: MjolnirPants, DanielRigal, Inadvertent Consequences, Slatersteven, Cdjp1, and Generalrelative. Levivich 15:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I have commented below. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- The outcome of the discussion was "delete", not "delete & redirect". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Now that we have Daniel and Slater's comments below, we can say that out of the 4 delete voters in the AFD, only 1 says this redirect should be deleted. That doesn't determine the outcome of this RFD, but I think it negates the "in line with the decision of the latest AfD" rationale. Levivich 03:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- ...delete per the AFD where two out of four delete voters suggested a redirect, which is why I created this redirect? Levivich 04:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as it seems a bit forkey, a way of keeping "left-wing fascism" by hook or by crrok. I am also unsure the target mentions it. Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- When the reader searches for "left-wing fascism" or clicks that link the first thing they see when they're brought to the target is
Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum.
, which is exactly what they should see when they search for "left-wing fascism". Do you not want to educate readers that the mainstream view is that fascism is not left-wing? We don't accomplish that by censoring the term, by removing it entirely from the encyclopedia. Hook or crook my foot. You seriously think I'm trying to say fascism is left wing? Ffs, SS. Levivich 16:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)- I have no real idea what you want, what I do know is this has been an issue in the past. I suspect that if this redirect is kept it will be an issue again, for exactly the reason you state "I wanted to find out about the truth behind "left-wing fascism". If we said something about it in the target (as in "experts agree fascism is not left wing" (or some such)), the fact is we do not. So we are (in effect) invot9iomg people to add something about left wing fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- What problems? This redirect has existed for a year, we've had no problems. And the target does say fascism is not left wing, I just quoted it. Sheesh, how is "fascism is right wing" not the same as "fascism is not left wing"? There's a whole section in the fascism article called "position on the political spectrum", which is the target of this redirect. I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say the target doesn't talk about it, when there's a whole section devoted to it. Levivich 16:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have no real idea what you want, what I do know is this has been an issue in the past. I suspect that if this redirect is kept it will be an issue again, for exactly the reason you state "I wanted to find out about the truth behind "left-wing fascism". If we said something about it in the target (as in "experts agree fascism is not left wing" (or some such)), the fact is we do not. So we are (in effect) invot9iomg people to add something about left wing fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- When the reader searches for "left-wing fascism" or clicks that link the first thing they see when they're brought to the target is
- NOT delete. I know this is not one of the normal options but my !vote really is "NOT delete". There are multiple arguable options here, including the status quo, but deletion is not one of them. My "tentative delete" vote on the AfD was based on the awful state of the article that was proposed for deletion not a desire to expunge the term completely. In fact, I said that
"it may be that there is scope for a valid article on this subject"
. If somebody searches for the term then we need to give them what they want. The problem is working out what that is. Some may be chuds, or those bamboozled by chuds, looking for anything to support the idiotic belief that fascism is left wing. For them, the current target is perfect. It explains where fascism really lies in the political spectrum. Far from legitimising this silly phrase, anything we can do to funnel people searching for it towards the truth of the matter is worthwhile. (There is a lot to be said for deliberately making redirects so that anybody searching for edgelord terminology gets pointed towards accurate information that will help to deflate whatever misconceptions caused them to do that specific search.) Others may be looking for something more specific without knowing the correct term to search for e.g. Red fascism or Strasserism. I don't think we can guess which of those they want so a retargeting to Red fascism would be arbitrary and almost certainly unhelpful to more people than it helps. I am not against a disambiguation page but it absolutely must prioritise the current target as the main item if it is to be valid. It would also need careful watching to prevent anybody morphing it back into anything like the awful mess that got deleted, as well as to keep an eye out for general POV pushing. Maybe it is more trouble than it is worth? I'm not sure so I'm not going to advocate a specific outcome here. I just want to be clear that my delete !vote on the AfD was specific to that AfD and does not carry over to this discussion. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:01, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, probably The term is highly problematical and I'm not sure that a satisfactory article on the topic could ever be written. The target doesn't actually mention or explain it. Also, note in passing the article about a book called Liberal fascism which in its lead says: "...the mainstream view among historians and political scientists that maintains fascism is a far-right ideology" . I'd lean towards delete, else add more content at the target plus a redirect hatnote to Red fascism and Liberal fascism. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not delete Keep. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is getting a reputation for left-wing bias and when students, researchers and the general public discover that articles offering counterarguments to Wikipedia’s ‘perceived wisdom’ are being deleted irrespective of their merits they will assume bias and be correct.Inadvertent Consequences (talk) 11:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think I have ever seen anybody talk themselves into the right answer for wronger reasons. ;-) DanielRigal (talk) 17:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative, that section does talk about fascism in regard to communist states. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Levivich and DanielRigal, the information at the target is informative to a reader searching this term, as it both explains the RS consensus perspective of where fascism is positioned on the political spectrum, and provides additional context on the use of fascism as a pejorative for non-rightist authoritarians. signed, Rosguill talk 20:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I think Levivich and DanielRigal's arguments are very compelling but ultimately founder on the the question of utility to the reader in the absence of a mention in the target. Redirects don't have to be mentioned in the target in absolutely every case, but I struggle to think of a case where it wouldn't be necessary, or wouldn't lead to avoidable confusion, for the name of a political concept to point to a target where that concept isn't directly discussed. This is compounded by the fact that there is a body of scholarship on "left-wing fascism" unrelated to right-wing both-sides-ism or Jonah Goldberg-type nonsense (I'm thinking mostly of work by Jürgen Habermas), which could be covered in the encyclopaedia but isn't; given we don't have any encyclopaedic coverage of that topic or related topics, we're better off making the reader aware of that rather than pointing them to something tangentially related and without a mention of the term. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with the nom and TFD that this is an ambiguous subject. Keeping the redirect at the current target will not help readers reach Red fascism, although refining to Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative (one of the proposed targets) will. Agree with Laterthanyouthink and Arms & Hearts that the current target does not mention or explain the subject, and is more problematic than useful to the reader. While I agree with the spirit of DanielRigal's NOT delete, the alternate option of disambiguation does not arise as none of the potential targets (including Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative or Fascist (insult), which was also the suggestion of the 2nd AfD) have a mention of the term. Delete so it can come back as a possible broad concept article. Jay (talk) 15:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previous relists have been productive so I'm hopeful one more relist can wrap this up.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 19:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Crossgates,seamer
- Crossgates,seamer → Crossgates, Scarborough (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete: badly formed Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Satyrus of Elis
- Satyrus of Elis → Satyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Satyrus of Elis" appears nowhere in Enwiki and I'm not sure a redirect to the disambiguation page is helpful. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'll note d:Q20165817, so this is a real person with pages on other wikis. Probably delete under WP:REDYES Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:39, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Satyrus of Athens
- Satyrus of Athens → Satyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I think the footnote at Cleopatra Eurydice of Macedon infers that Satyrus of Athens is supposed to be Satyrus the Peripatetic, which may be a better target than the disambiguation page. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think the cited text of Athenaeus is pretty clear that the Satyrus mentioned is the one who wrote a biography of Philip and so the Peripatetic. I’d just make the change as this seems uncontroversial. - Eponymous-Archon (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy retarget per above. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:38, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
File:Ghani (2021 film).jpg
- File:Ghani (2021 film).jpg → File:Ghani (2022 film).jpg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The film did NOT release in 2021. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, but will explain a bit more. The film was originally meant to release in 2021, but was pushed back to 2022. Checking the history of the image, there seems to have been a poster with the old 2021 release date, but it was replaced with a 2022 poster. The 2021 poster was deleted, presumably as unused NFC. The 2021 image file name shouldn't have redirected to the 2022 poster because they are two different posters. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:35, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per User:Mellohi! --Lenticel (talk) 08:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT and the precedent that film redirects are kept when the film gets pushed back. -- Tavix (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT. From a search the only difference between the two posters seems to be the date at the bottom? I don't see why this poster was moved at all, it doesn't really seem to strictly meet any of the criteria at WP:FMV/W, a film planned for a 2021 release date having it's poster at a (2021) disambiguator seems like a reasonable enough situation to me, even if it was delayed to a 2022 release. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)- Keep per IP Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Sonic Chrono Adventure
- Sonic Chrono Adventure → Sonic: After the Sequel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misleading. The redirect only receives two mentions in the article. LBWP (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The nom literally gave the reason why this redirect should stay. CaptainGalaxy 12:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Only mentioned in passing, anyone searching this would be confused why they have been taken to this article, and would be unlikely to find what they were looking for. Would be best if a section could be added to List of unofficial Sonic media, however. A7V2 (talk) 01:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is added to that list, we can always retarget it there. But until then, a little bit of information is better than none. Regards SoWhy 10:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't really any information though. It is just a passing mention, the kind that would warrant a link if this had an article. Someone searching this would be left confused as to why they came to this page, and shouldn't have to waste their time reading the whole article (or using ctrl+F) to find why they were taken to the target. If this was deleted, then search would turn up the current target but with the added context about this being a sequel right there in the search. A7V2 (talk) 02:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is added to that list, we can always retarget it there. But until then, a little bit of information is better than none. Regards SoWhy 10:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 03:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per A7V2. The search results page is more helpful than the redirect in this case. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 15:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Musical Genres/Hip
- Musical Genres/Hip → Rapping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Hip" isn't listed at List of music genres and styles so I assume "Hip" isn't a music genre. Like its sister below, this redirect has been around a while, but this one isn't useful and might be misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, the only reasons to keep a redirect with a malformed title like this would be to keep useful old history and possibly preserve old links, but none likely apply (the page had content for less than an hour in 2001 before being quickly redirected.) eviolite (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This seems totally useless to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not useful as a redirect, but it was probably the original title of Hip hop culture and now contains the first version of that article after it was imported; could it be moved or imported to the history of that page? 86.141.247.208 (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as ambiguous and confusing, but with the caveat that this requires us to ignore WP:RKEEP, which explicitly identifies old redirects from subpages as a type of redirect that should be kept. If there's consensus to delete this it might be worth seeing if there's consensus to revise that guidance page; I think the idea that anybody's going to stumble across a link to this in the wild and follow it is probably negligible. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:26, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Hip hop music as an {{R with old history}}. This is consistent with WP:RKEEP. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 17:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per Brainulator9. I agree it's not the most plausible title, but since it dates back to 2001, it should ideally be kept for attribution purposes. CycloneYoris talk! 06:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
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Atatürk's socialism
- Ulusalcılık (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] →
Neologism that doesn't appear to have any traction in English or Turkish (I searched for "Atatürkın sosyalizm" and "Atatürk sosyalizm"; the latter framing lends some results on Google Scholar, but appear to be relating to Atatürk's personal politics rather than Ulusalcılık). N.b., the current articles for Ulusalcılık on both en.wiki and tr.wiki describe an ideological phenomenon that took place after Atatürk's death; "Kemalist socialism" would perhaps be an appropriate redirect, "Atatürk's socialism" is not and should be deleted. signed, Rosguill talk 16:50, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Angzar
- Angzar → Miscellaneous Technical (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Angzar → Angzarr (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 16:36, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Noting that the redirect has now been moved to Angzarr, but I don't see how this addresses my concern. signed, Rosguill talk 17:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I moved Angzar to Angzarr which is the more common spelling. It is the shorthand for "right angle with downwards zigzag arrow" and I have noted that at the Miscellaneous Technical page. Best, Btyner (talk) 17:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: I'm a bit worried by this speedy closure, because Btyner shoe-horned it into the target page, which has no natural home for it. (Being unaware of this discussion, I reverted. If it is to stay, a proper home needs to be found for it.) ANGZARR is not the name of the glyph, it is a shorthand nick-name ("entity name" in Unicode.org terminology. Specifically, http://unicode.org/L2/L2003/03440-sc34-0433.pdf (p2) says
Tens of thousands of graphic characters are used in publishing text, a large proportion of which have been defined in ISO/IEC 10646. Even where standard coded representations exist, however, there may be situations in which they cannot be keyboarded conveniently or accurately, or in which it is not possible to display the desired visual depiction of the characters.
To help overcome these barriers to the successful interchange of SGML and related documents, this part of ISO/IEC TR 9573 defines character entity sets for some widely used special graphic characters regularly used in the production of scientific and mathematical documents.
- This is not to question Btyner's good faith or your logic in speedy closure, but rather that the assurance on which you based the closure was inadequate. If Btyner can integrate it properly (recognising that there are 100+ glyphs that will need to be given the same treatment and by which time I have to ask have we drifted into WP:NOTGUIDE territory), then I see no objection. But our timing shouldn't be driven by a word trending on Reddit.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, reopening the discussion. At this point, I'm satisfied by the confirmed assertion that people do refer to a symbol on this table as Angzarr and therefore might be looking to find its entry in the unicode block, so I'm neutral on the redirect itself. signed, Rosguill talk 20:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Immigrant racism
- Immigrant racism → Nativism (politics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Somewhat WP:SURPRISE-ing, as the search-term suggests racism by immigrants, not against immigrants. Deletion seems appropriate for lack off a suitable target. signed, Rosguill talk 16:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 18:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as creator, might instead redirect Racism against immigrants to Nativism (politics). iWillBanU (User:Mattx8y) what did i fuck up now 00:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy under G7 Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:34, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Faithfully flat
- Faithfully flat → Flat module (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Might also refer to a Faithfully flat morphism. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Good point. I think the page should be a disambig page; usually the context tells whether faithfully flat refers to a module one or a morphism one. —- Taku (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Cyanide gas
- Cyanide gas → Hydrogen cyanide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Cyanide per number of possibilities that the term "cyanide gas" would refer to other gaseous cyanides. 2405:9800:BA20:AB7A:103A:27C:F917:D4F1 (talk) 10:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy keep as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT per my comments at the previous Rfd: this term most commonly refers to the current target. Nothing has changed since the last Rfd; an IP bringing the same nomination with the same rationale when the consensus is clear is a waste of everyone's time. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Social unit
- Social unit → Level of analysis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was merged to level of analysis, but over the years, any mention of the term 'social unit' was removed from the target. The merge discussion (see talk page of both mentioned articlsS) was not attended - only the proposer suggested it and then carried out the uncontroversial merge. My query is inconclusive on whether this topic deserves its own entry, and as for the merger, I think unit of analysis would be better. Anyway, I am not sure what do; the current redirect is pointless (again, the target doesn't mention it), but deleting it would result in a loss of a past article without an AfD. Redirecting to unit of analysis is not ideal as that article also doesn't mention this. The old article did have some reliably referenced content, and I am frankly tempted to suggest restoring this pre-merge version, which could be AfD if anyone so desires. In either case, this redirect is currently not sustainable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: extremely vague expression. Veverve (talk) 08:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Restore pre-merge/redirect version. (The link given by nom is wrong though, it gave me an error: "This site is only available in Mainland China.") Second option, Refine to Level of analysis#Analytical levels in social science and tag as {{R without mention}}. I found it useful as it lists the social units present at different levels of society. Jay (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - The term is simply so vague and general that I can't see making anything useful out of it. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:social unit. Searching on Google Scholar, I wasn't able to find any literature analyzing the usage of the term social unit, which means that the best we can do is redirect the reader to a dictionary definition. signed, Rosguill talk 06:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect per Rosguill (talk · contribs). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:17, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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History of institutions
- History of institutions → Institution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It does not seem as though the target article contains any specific information about its history. Readers searching this term will not find what they are looking to find. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep - the section on Social science perspectives does obliquely discuss the historical formation of institutions at a very theoretical and abstract level. I'm uncertain as to whether that's enough to satisfy a reader or whether deletion to encourage article creation would be preferable. signed, Rosguill talk 20:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - This article ought to exist as its own topic. I think... thus, well, it appears best to have the text red. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)- Delete WP:REDYES Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:30, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
L'Affaire Lafarge
- L'Affaire Lafarge → The Lafarge Case (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Current target is a 1938 crime film, but according to The New York Times, it also refers to a corporate scandal currently discussed at Lafarge (company)#Terrorist financing. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'Lafarge (company)#Terrorist financing'. Perhaps a hatnote is in order. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep and disambiguate with a hatnote. In French, it appears based on fr.wiki and Google Scholar results that the primary topic is still overwhelmingly the 19th century Marie Lafarge case that the 1938 film is based on. Searching French news online, while a few sources use "l'affaire Lafarge" in the context of the 2017 scandal, about half the time they appear to be using the phrase to refer to Lafarge itself [1] (i.e "the Lafarge company"), and not the scandal. A reader searching for this term on en.wiki is almost certainly going to be looking primarily for the film, whose original title is L'affaire Lafarge, and other intents should be included there as a hatnote. signed, Rosguill talk 21:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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June 4
San Jose
- San Jose → San Jose, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- San José → San José, Costa Rica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
To have “San Jose” redirect to the California city and “San José” redirect to the Costa Rica city
Mrbeastmodeallday (talk) 23:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, do not retarget. Due to the common name for San Jose, California being "San Jose" without the acute accent on the "e", and official name being "San José" with the acute accent on the "e", there have been various move proposals on it (see previous 2016 RM) and its related articles such as San Jose International Airport (see previous discussion removing the accent), San Jose Public Library (see discussion removing the accent), San Jose State University (see previous discussion keeping it without the accent) and Berryessa/North San José station (see previous RM adding the accent). And the city of San Jose, CA does not help matters when it officially accepts both depending on whether it is upper- or lowercase, among others, as stated in the last paragraph of San Jose, California#Name. Therefore there is not a clear cut WP:SMALLDETAILS distinction between having the acute accent and not having it. And thus we should keep the status quo and have San Jose continue to redirect to San José and keep the latter as the disambig page (because there are more existing entries with the accent). Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Keep as dab, and no accent redirect to the dab. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - This nomination is very confusing due to some errors made when nominating. San Jose is currently a redirect to the disambiguation page San José (which is not a redirect at all). Note also there is a discussion on Talk:San José#Proposing a split of redirects about this same issue raised by the nom. I don't think this is the right venue for this discussion (since changing the target of San Jose is not all that is being considered). A7V2 (talk) 04:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know if RFD may be the right venue either. The proposal seems to involve converting the disambiguation page into a primary redirect, then splitting the resulting moved disambiguation page based on whether entries have the accented "é" or not. Either way this would contradict both WP:DIACRITICS and MOS:DIACRITICS when they state that you should still provide redirects from alternative forms that use or exclude diacritics. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Ytterbium dodecaboride
- Ytterbium dodecaboride → Ytterbium#Borides (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Even though it's not mentioned at the target, it is a name within the group discussed there, and points the way toward future improvement. Dicklyon (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment There is no longer a section or anchor for borides, but YbB12 definitely exists and could be mentioned at the target. ComplexRational (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (ie oppose delete) - Seems I created the redirect, and made the target section [empty at that time] (but it was quickly deleted : "14:05, 16 September 2018 DePiep 38,043 bytes −92 →Borides: could be OK & GF but not as an empty section") - I'm inclined to undo the deletion of the target empty section, and look for the sources that prompted me to create the redirect in the first place. - Rod57 (talk) 09:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 16:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)- Delete with no prejudice against recreating when Rod57 gets around to recreating the section. casualdejekyll 02:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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TVWikipedia, but I re-instated Ytterbium#Borides and wrote content about ytterbium dodecaboride there. DMacks (talk) 01:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC) - Keep now that it was added Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:27, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Mustard sauce
- Mustard sauce → Mustard (condiment) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Mustard sauce" could refer to any sauce using mustard as the primary ingredient or flavor base, and is usually not used to refer to the condiment itself. In that case, a better page to target to Mustard (condiment) would be Mustard (sauce). Colgatepony234 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - I'm not too sure on this one. I'm inclined to think that since people interested in sauces incorporating mustard may want additional information on that main ingreident... we maybe should just leave this alone. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep unless someone feels like writing up a list article of mustard based sauces, but I doubt that would stand as an article. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 00:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I've went ahead and created Mustard (sauce). casualdejekyll 03:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
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Vivicam3915
- Vivicam3915 → Vivitar#Current products (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This camera was never mentioned by name in the target article, even when the redirect was initially created. Unused otherwise. Streetlampguy301 (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a real product, and two other models ar elisted on the target page (idk why those two and not this one) And one of them was linked as a WP:SELFRED (which I just removed.) I suggest either Add to list and keep or bundle other redirect and delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:26, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid
- 1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid → Saphenamycin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is just a fragment of the full systematic name "6-[1-(2-Hydroxy-6-methylbenzoyl)oxyethyl]-1-phenazinecarboxylic acid", no evidence this part is actually used as a shortened form for this specific compound. However, some databases have a standard of inverting the name to give the class first, so for example PubChem has as a single synonymous term "1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid, 6-[1-[(2-hydroxy-6-methylbenzoyl)oxy]ethyl]-". Doesn't mean "1-Phenazinecarboxylic acid" is itself a synonym. DMacks (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Old Catholic Confederation
- Old Catholic Confederation → Old Catholic Church#Old Catholic Confederation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It is the name of a specific independent, non-notable organisation (whose website is this) which is not mentioned at the target anymore.
Therefore, I recommend deletion. Veverve (talk) 18:52, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Peculiarities of the genocide of the Tutsis in regards to other genocides
- Peculiarities of the genocide of the Tutsis in regards to other genocides → Rwandan genocide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Peculiarities of the genocide of the Tutsis in regard to other genocides → Rwandan genocide (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely search term, not a proper name of a published paper nor is this dimension of the genocide really discussed in detail at the target. Originally created as an article outline in 2005, but no content was ever added other than an infobox, and it was converted to a redirect later that year. Deletion seems appropriate until if/when an article specifically analyzing the Rwandan genocide in comparison to other genocides can be written. signed, Rosguill talk 18:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons outlined above, though even if we were to make a page on comparisons I doubt we’d use this title. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Anna Mamalat
- Anna Mamalat → Texas A&M Aggies#Tennis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Former A&M tennis player not mentioned at the target, briefly mentioned at the articles for a few tournaments she competed in. Deleting to allow for search results seems most appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 18:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Gideon Richards
- Gideon Richards → John Holmes (actor) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A very confusing redirect. I clicked on this name from Fitz Hughes Predators expecting to get an article on this footballer but instead was redirected to an article on a pornographic actor in which 'Gideon Richards' isn't even mentioned once! Looking at John Holmes' credits, I can't even see that he ever played a character of this name so have no idea why this redirect was created in 2007. This redirect does not benefit the encyclopaedia in any way so should be deleted. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Part of a now-deleted WP:EASTEREGG. At best with WP:AGF, this is a product of gross confusion, coming from now-removed content in Charlie Rose (talk show) about a different John Holmes (UN official John T. Holmes), and repurposing the Gideon Richards red link there. No evidence of a Gideon Richards connected to the Charlie Rose show or either John Holmes. • Gene93k (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Calvis Harris
- Calvis Harris → Calvin Harris (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems implausible. If you actually typed this in and the redirect didn't exist "Calvin Harris" would immediately pop up in suggestions. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
5o Cent
Seems like an unlikely search term Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- why not? doesnt hurt to have it -- FMSky (talk) 17:03, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- I dont know why it exists but its been here since 2011, and has a max of 90 views/mo, and not a hurtful. Keep Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:19, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Middlesborough in the 2010 general election
- Middlesborough in the 2010 general election → Middlesbrough in the 2010 general election (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The underlying redirect to ToryBoy The Movie is fine but this one was misspelt on setup – it should only have been Middlesbrough. I can't see any point in keeping this one, which seems to have been a pure mistake rather than an attempt to catch a misspelling. Do we need this one? DBaK (talk) 11:41, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Obviously fix the double redirect, and tag {{R avoided double redirect}}, but I think it is a plausible misspelling. Keep Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- It is a vaguely plausible misspelling, yes – I know this as someone who spends a certain amount of time fixing Middlesboroughs that are not in Kentucky. But if you start typing it you get shown the right possibilities quickly enough, and we cannot provide a redirect to cover every possible mistake for Middlesbrough, which has many articles – that way would lie madness. Why keep this one, which wasn't even created to help with an existing Middlesb[o]rough situation, but just by accident? I don't feel that strongly, I just don't get it and don't see why we don't just cull the silly one as adding nothing of value to the encyclopaedia. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:34, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Middlesbrough (UK Parliament constituency) imo. Don't see how the film is the primary topic. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 07:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Parmotrema tinctorum
- Parmotrema tinctorum → Parmotrema (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted because Parmotrema tinctorum is a species, not a genus. In addition, the page parmotrema does not have any information on Parmotrema tinctorum so it might cause confusion for users. Roostery123 (talk) 11:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Polymer impregnation
- Polymer impregnation → Plastination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Polymer impregnating → Porosity sealing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These targets seem too specific for these terms, and these redirects should likely target the same place. I am not sure about what the best broader target may be. Impregnation appropriately redirects to Fertilisation where a hatnote directs users to Waterproofing as apparently the only other use of this broad term. A better target is needed, or perhaps some sort of disambiguation. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:50, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Personally I prefer a disambig over a redirect any day. I am not really certain of what your argument or solution is but... Krj373*(talk), *(contrib) 02:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
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Green state
- Green state → Robyn Eckersley#The Green State (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous term. I've seen "green state" to refer to states where the Green Party has control, states that are environmentally friendly, or states where cannabis is legal. Given the wide variety of uses I've seen for the term, this does not seem to be the ideal target. Either delete or cross-redirect to Wiktionary. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as vague and ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:green state, which lists two of the nom's definitions. People may search "green state" here, but they might be WP:ASTONISHed to end up at the target. Regards, SONIC678 05:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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Retarget toKeep at Robyn_Eckersley#The_Green_State where the term green state is described. --Lenticel (talk) 06:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)- Delete as per Shhhnotsoloud and WP:SSRT. Veverve (talk) 06:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Green state should become an article or be redirected to Green politics Loremaster (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - it does appear to be ambiguous, and I also found an article using it in the political science sense that predates the 2004 article at the target [2]. signed, Rosguill talk 20:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguous there can be a disambiguation page. Until another use is added it can be a redirect. 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Green party and cannabis contexts don't really lend themselves to dab entries, but are nevertheless possible as search terms; allowing for internal search results is thus preferable, IMO. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- It is when there is nothing with the title. "Green state redirects here, for other uses see wikt:green state" is possible. There is nothing about cannabis in search results or in wikt:green state so is there something that can be added? 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- The Green party and cannabis contexts don't really lend themselves to dab entries, but are nevertheless possible as search terms; allowing for internal search results is thus preferable, IMO. signed, Rosguill talk 18:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it's ambiguous there can be a disambiguation page. Until another use is added it can be a redirect. 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:11, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between the current target to which The Green State redirects, and Eco-nationalism to which Green nationalism redirects (and which also covers green politics). Deletion to aid internal search results does not help as there are thousands of entries, all pointing to Bowling Green State University. Could not find a reference of the term in context of cannabis legalization on enwiki. Jay (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Soft redirect to wikt:Green state, seems plausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:28, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
June 3
Fienberg-Fisher Elementary School
- Fienberg-Fisher Elementary School → Miami-Dade County Public Schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am unsure about its missionality. Likely redirected due to lack of notability. The target doesn't mention the school. I propose a deletion. 168.221.157.39 (talk) 13:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Miami-Dade County Public Schools as a {{R to list entry}}. Jalen Folf (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget per User:JalenFolf. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 11:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per JalenFolf, looks like the most suitable target. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Itali-Slavs
Balochki language
- Balochki language → Saraiki language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Balochki → Saraiki language (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, zero hits on Google Scholar, seems more likely to be a misspelling off Balochi language than anything else, but I may be missing something due to lack of familiarity with the topic. First choice is retarget to Balochi language, pending other arguments. signed, Rosguill talk 18:19, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Balochi language per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 18:36, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- It can be seen from Google Books results that this is an obscure and obsolete term has been used for both Saraiki and Balochi. This means that the options for us to choose from are deletion and disambiguation. (I'm adding the related Balochki to the nomination). – Uanfala (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ooh, it's am
- Ooh, it's am → Cool Whip (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned on the page and I can't really find anything from the internet that would justify this redirect existing. TartarTorte 17:36, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Trying to do an quick WP:BEFORE I found a few songs where "Oooh it's" is in A minor. Nothing on Cool whip. Delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 21:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
2022 Russian invasion
- 2022 Russian invasion → 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This page is unnecessarily vague. We don't have articles like 1939 German invasion or 2014 Russian invasion. We can also argue that as of 2022, Russia is still invading (rather occupying) two other countries, Georgia and Moldova. Super Ψ Dro 13:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Unambiguous, unless there are other articles about Russian invasions in 2022. Jay (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 15:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)- Changing my vote to Keep, I don't see any harm in keeping it. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep WP:CRYSTAL, if another such event occurs later, then discuss or make changes to the redirect, right now it is unambiguous. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep – unambiguous and aids navigation. The invasion of Georgia was in 2008 and the invasion of Transnistria was even longer ago, so this phrase can't plausibly refer to either of those. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 11:39, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Invading is the act of entering to occupy, and as of 2022 Russian military presence is already established in Moldova and Georgia. The two counterexamples would be acceptable redirects or disambiguation pages too. —Michael Z. 15:04, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
HM The King & HM The Queen
- HM The King → King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM King → King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM The Queen → Queen regnant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM Queen → Queen regnant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These terms are not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear why they target their current target. For reference, HM The King has also targeted Monarch and Monarchy during its history. For the two terms at search terms on third party web sites, "HM King" returns results for Henrietta King and "HM The King" returns results for a probably unnotable scotch/whiskey blend. Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Retarget to Majesty, which explains this manner of address and the abbreviation. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Should HM The Queen and HM Queen be added to this discussion? They both target Queen regnant. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Mx. Granger: Sounds like a plan to me, so I've added them. In regards to why I chose to add them, it's the same reason as my response to the "weak retarget" comment above: WP:XY issues between Majesty and Queen regnant. Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the Kings; Retarget the Queens to Queen because "Queen" is ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep HM The King and HM The Queen (while retargeting the latter to Queen), because they are in fact titles that are used when referring to various European (and in some instances non-European) monarchs and their consorts. Delete both HM King and HM Queen as they are both grammatically incorrect. Keivan.fTalk 04:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget HM The King to Majesty. A search for this term is almost certainly looking for an explanation of the HM component. The "King" component is likely understood by all, but in any case is linked early in the proposed target. Delete HM King per Keivan.f. Likewise for the Queen redirects. SpinningSpark 22:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Spinningspark: can you elaborate on what you meant by "likewise"? Do you want to go with Keivan.f for the Queen redirects? Jay (talk) 06:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- No, I meant repeat everything I already said but with "Queen" substituted for "King". That is, retarget HM the Queen to Majesty and delete HM Queen. SpinningSpark 08:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Spinningspark: can you elaborate on what you meant by "likewise"? Do you want to go with Keivan.f for the Queen redirects? Jay (talk) 06:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget all to Majesty; a reader who searches for any of these terms is presumably looking to find out what "HM" means in this context or learn about royal forms of address. If a reader wanted to read about kings or queens in general they would more likely search for "king" or "queen". The fact that some of the redirects may be grammatically incorrect is irrelevant; they're still plausible search terms. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 11:46, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Monomaсh's Cap
- Monomaсh's Cap → Monomakh's Cap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Mixed script redirect, the first "c" in it (Monomaсh's Cap) is not actually a letter c but is instead a cyrillic Es (Cyrillic). 192.76.8.78 (talk) 08:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RFD#KEEP point 4. As a redirect from a page move that has existed for a long time, it should be kept to avoid breaking incoming external links. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 11:48, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This redirect had nine hits in 2021 and none this year until yesterday.[3] The only external link I was able to find is at Pronouncewiki,[4] presumably automatically generated from our redirect page. —Michael Z. 15:14, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Obviously nobody is ever likely to search for this in its mixed-alphabet form. Completely useless.JBW (talk) 08:24, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Gay men flags
- Draft:Gay men flags → User:Gay men flags (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Draft talk:Gay men flags → User talk:Gay men flags (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Draft:Gay man flag → Draft:Gay men flags (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Draft:Gay men flag → Draft:Gay men flags (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirects and double and triple redirects to userified page (User:Tazuco/Gay men flags). —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 08:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Or redirect to User:Tazuco/Gay men flags — Tazuco 18:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Thomas Robb (activist)
- Thomas Robb (activist) → Thomas Robb (Ku Klux Klan) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is an implausible redirect. We already have Thomas Robb (disambiguation), and this page would be WP:UNDUE, as the person is not an activist. 0xDeadbeef 07:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - this was the title of the target article for three years (when it was disambiguated by GiantSnowman, so by that alone would be an extremely plausible redirect. I'm not going to comment on the merits of the move recently performed by the nom, but in the case of redirects, there is no requirement for them to be neutral (per WP:RNEUTRAL), or even correct. I don't think it's unreasonable that someone might think of the subject as being an activist. It might only be a fringe view to describe him that way, but DUE/UNDUE doesn't apply to redirects but to article content. A7V2 (talk) 10:34, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 13:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per User:A7V2 and per WP:RFD#KEEP point 4 ("redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason"). And of course Thomas Robb is an activist. "Activist" does not mean "activist for a noble cause". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:59, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
MOS:IBID
- MOS:IBID → Wikipedia:Citing sources#IBID (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect target is not a part of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 03:45, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. When this redirect was created the target material was in the MOS. After much rearrangement and re-targeting this redirects to the target of WP:IBID. There are a only few uses on talk pages and archives. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Targeted section was previously in the MOS. Nothing whatsoever gained from deletion, some links broken by deletion. A7V2 (talk) 10:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Ephiel tower
- Ephiel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Efel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ephel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiphel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiffell tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Effle tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Effl tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Fl tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiffel towre → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Uncommon misspellings. These are "plausible" I suppose so don't qualify for R3. Just doesn't seem very useful to clog our wikilink suggestions and search results with 10 of these though. Note that "towre" looks British at first glance, but my googling indicates that it isn't British, just obsolete. Suggest delete all. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Eiffell tower. Delete Fl, Effl, Effle? I don't have a comment on the rest. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 10:50, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep as {{R from misspelling}} especially for simple typos like Eiffell tower / Eiffel towre / Eiffle tower / Effel tower -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 05:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all. Different combinations with minor variations, all recently created by one user and at the same time. Jay (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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Stirrer (cooking)
- Stirrer (cooking) → Mixer (appliance) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vague redirect. There are several items related to "cooking" that could be used to stir, and neither the current target or any other target (to my knowledge) could specifically be called a "stirrer". Steel1943 (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete there are automatic pot stirrers which are not mixers/eggbeaters/dough kneaders -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- keep. I came to this word when processing food and drink data (for the Europeana food and drink project). It's a legitimate food related term. The best target that exists is the current one. The page Mixer (appliance) seems to describe any food mixer, its not limited to egg or dough mixing. I suggest to the previous poster to add a section about pot stirring. Furthermore, "stirring" and "mixing" are synonymous in this context. The only other page mentioning "stirrer" is Magnetic stirrer, which is clearly not appropriate for food. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 07:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed the fact that Stirrer and Stirrer (cooking) both existed prior to making this nomination, as well as the fact that the target of Stirrer has no {{Redirect}} hatnote on it, which it should since Stirrer (cooking) exists. In all honesty, there's probably no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC redirect target for the phrase "Stirrer" in the first place, and the base page probably needs to become a disambiguation page, deleted, or converted to a set index (in that order). However, in regards to the use of the "(cooking)" disambiguator: My initial concern still stands since there are whisks and several spoon-related topics which could also be referred to as "stirrers" since they can be and/or are used to stir. Steel1943 (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Turn Stirrer into a disambiguation page and delete Stirrer (cooking) as unnecessary. The term is too general to ever have a meaningful redirect target. SpinningSpark 12:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Terry Pearce
- Terry Pearce → List of Test cricket umpires (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous redirect. Many other non-notable people with the same name exist and are mentioned at Hampstead Scientific Society#Hampstead Observatory, 2016 World Masters Athletics Championships Men#M60 2000 metres steeplechase, Australia at the 1992 Paralympic Games for Persons with Mental Handicap#Futsal, and 2015 Bracknell Forest Borough Council election.
A disambiguation page is not suitable; the search function will be more useful and maintainable if readers are looking for one of these individuals. BilledMammal (talk) 00:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard, Schwede66, NealeWellington, Sammyrice, Wjemather, NZFC, NiklausGerard, Rugbyfan22, No Great Shaker, Ficaia, Alvaldi, StickyWicket, and Rhododendrites: Ping AFD participants, in line with this notification. BilledMammal (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose While the AfD said that there was "no clear consensus on a redirect", WP:COMMONSENSE would support the redirect over the other people with this name, none of whom have an article either. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Can you explain why the redirect should go here, rather to other people with this name? BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose any change I think, partly because I don't really understand what's up for discussion here. The incoming links seem clean to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Because there are many other equally valid targets. Readers searching for one of them will be astonished to end up at List of Test cricket umpires. BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts and Blue Square Thing. Terry Pearce was a Test cricket umpire so the target page is entirely appropriate. We don't have any other articles about anyone with this name (or Terence Pearce) so, as Lugnuts says, the current solution is the common sense one. I fail to see how this can be an issue. Thanks for the ping, btw. NGS Shakin' All Over 10:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support deletion, as there are several other "Terry Pearces" mentioned in different articles, and I don't think this particular Terry Pearce is any more notable than the others. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Subject was the main Terry Pearce article, there was a suitable list article to redirect to too save the article history per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't believe we can go from now having no article about the person to now not even having a redirect from them. There is other Terry Pearce out there but they didn't previously have an article and we should be saving the history of the previously created one.— NZFC(talk)(cont) 20:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given that this individual is not notable, why does previously having an article mean that they should have a redirect when it risks astonishing readers looking for the builder, the runner, or the politician? I also note that preserving this redirect will not preserve the history - that has already been deleted. BilledMammal (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There's no need for a disambiguation page between people without articles, but given this is ambiguous it should be deleted. A7V2 (talk) 02:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous, or create disambiguation page. It is unsurprising that some members of the cricket project would want the redirect to go to a cricket article, but none of the people mentioned in WP articles are sufficiently notable for a standalone article and there is no evidence to suggest this umpire should be the primary topic and that readers would be looking for him above any of the others; indeed most readers may be surprised to find themselves looking at a list of umpires. Arguments about article history are invalid since the article was deleted at AFD, confirming the lack of notability of the umpire; and the incoming redirects are there due to the deleted article, so they have no relevance either. A redlink is preferred in these situations. wjematherplease leave a message... 06:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Don't see why not; a dab page between non-articles is okay. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I supported a redirect in the AfD, but if there are other lists that include non-notable individuals by the same name, that we've recently decided this Terry Pearce isn't notable isn't a good reason to declare this Terry Peace more notable than the others. No opinion on disambiguating -- other people have a better sense of the style rules around dabs than I do. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#Arthur Harley. Strong oppose keeping, as it makes no sense; there's no reason to make one non-notable target more prominent than other equally valid and equally non-notable ones. eviolite (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per eviolite. Also, aside from the two other non-notable individuals with this exact name, there's also two articles for people with homophonous names (Terry Peirce and Terry Pierce) who should go in the WP:DABSEEALSO section; seems to be too much for a hatnote at the current target. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 23:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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Latin Portuguese
- Latin Portuguese → Brazilian Portuguese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, nor are cognate terms mentioned at the linked ptWiki article. Searching both the internet and Google Scholar in both English and Portuguese, all results appear to be about documents written in a mix of Portuguese and Latin, rather than Brazilian Portuguese. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- (Updated) Retarget to Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography#Pre-modern_Portuguese_orthography where there is now coverage of this topic.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosguill (talk • contribs) 18:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Brazilian Portuguese and Uruguayan Portuguese. fgnievinski (talk) 05:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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Retargetto American Portuguese, linked from {{Portuguese dialects}}, but given that we usually mean US when we say American on enwiki, it might be better to rename that article South American Portuguese or Latin American Portuguese, especially since there are small Lusophone communities in the US that may have dialects of their own (Languages of the United States#Portuguese). --BDD (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)- Neither of these alternate suggestions acknowledge the main issue I have with the redirect, which is that I have yet to see any evidence that "Latin Portuguese" ever refers to "Latin American Portuguese" in existing literature. signed, Rosguill talk 19:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- But it's reasonably unambiguous. Looking over Latin (disambiguation), the ancient Latins obviously didn't speak any sort of Portuguese; Portuguese is a Latin language in the sense of Romance languages, and uses the Latin alphabet/script, but none of those are likely to lead to such a search term. It's very hard for me to imagine a reader using this and not thinking of it as "Latin American Portuguese".
- Compare also to Latin Spanish, which redirects to Spanish language in the Americas. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Academic literature uses "Latin Portuguese" as a term of art to refer to an orthographic standard used in Medieval Portugal prior to the development of a strictly Portuguese written language: ([5], [6], [7]). Based on these references I'd hazard that it's likely independently notable and should not be confused with modern dialects. N.b. I don't see an equivalent use of "Latin Spanish", so I don't have as much of an issue with that redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 18:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Could we incorporate that into Portuguese orthography? If so, we could disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- I had an easier time adding it to Reforms of Portuguese orthography#Pre-modern Portuguese orthography, as Portuguese orthography does not address the history of the standards at all. I think this should be the new target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Could we incorporate that into Portuguese orthography? If so, we could disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Academic literature uses "Latin Portuguese" as a term of art to refer to an orthographic standard used in Medieval Portugal prior to the development of a strictly Portuguese written language: ([5], [6], [7]). Based on these references I'd hazard that it's likely independently notable and should not be confused with modern dialects. N.b. I don't see an equivalent use of "Latin Spanish", so I don't have as much of an issue with that redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 18:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Compare also to Latin Spanish, which redirects to Spanish language in the Americas. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portuguese language. A confused picture evidently, but this seems the best choice. Johnbod (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Just because Portuguese stems from Latin? That really doesn't seem helpful. Would we ever consider Germanic English? --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- No, duh, because the meaning most likely to be sought is for a variety of the P language. Do try to keep up. Johnbod (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Which variety do you mean - as spoken in Latin America, or the orthographic standard in medieval Portugal? -- BDD (talk) 14:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: Your statement is not as obvious as you make it out to be. It is much more helpful to explain why you are taking a given position rather than having other editors guess. Your follow ups of
duh
andDo try to keep up
are the opposite of helpful—rather we are simply trying to understand your unclear position. Indeed, your clarification is still a bit muddy. If you feel the most likely meaning is a "variety of the [Portuguese] language", wouldn't Portuguese dialects be more helpful than the standard language? -- Tavix (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- No, duh, because the meaning most likely to be sought is for a variety of the P language. Do try to keep up. Johnbod (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Just because Portuguese stems from Latin? That really doesn't seem helpful. Would we ever consider Germanic English? --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Portuguese dialects. It's significantly more likely that someone using this search term is looking for a variety of Portuguese than anything else, but it's not clear which one. The main article about dialects has clear and prominent links to all the one we have articles about, and is also the place to learn about the differences between the dialects (which it is far from implausible that someone using this term is wanting to read). If we have any content about the academic usage then this can be linked in a hatnote as it doesn't seem to be the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 08:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment there is no such thing as "Latin Portuguese", there was a transition part, but that happened with every laguage. Nobody speaks Latin Portuguese or even close to it. Its either Brazilian Portuguese or Portuguese. Now, Portuguese stems from Latin, but first came Portuguese and only then Brazilian Portuguese. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- New nom proposal: retarget to Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography#Pre-modern_Portuguese_orthography where I was able to add content about the Latin-Portuguese writing standard with citations to reliable sources. signed, Rosguill talk 18:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. Too many possible options presented by the participants thus far, the newly-proposed retargeting option is a misleading WP:PTM at best due to so many other possible options, and disambiguation would muddy the waters and potentially cause confusion. Let the search results help our readers. Steel1943 (talk) 00:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. I have drafted one below the redirect for your consideration. -- Tavix (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate based on User:Tavix's draft. Seems like the option most likely to help readers find what they're looking for. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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English Clasico
- English Clasico → Liverpool F.C.–Manchester United F.C. rivalry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Can't find reliable independent secondary sources asserting this particular rivalry to be the English Clasico. Iseult Δx parlez moi 16:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and add a mention at the target. A Google search gave me CNN, The Guardian and The Hindu. Jay (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per Jay's points and sources. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Extreme porn
- Extreme porn → Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Extreme pornography → Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This seems to be a very specific target for a rather generic pair of terms. I don't think these should necessarily be deleted, but there must be a broader target, perhaps to a subsection to be added to Pornography. BD2412 T 05:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both - "Extreme" is too vague of a descriptive label here. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The Act defines "extreme pornographic image" as something distinct from Obscenity at common law, so the expression is an official term of art in UK obscenity legislation. I don't have an opinion on whether this makes it worth a Wikipedia redirect. Tevildo (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pornography#Classification mentions "extreme" fetishism, so I think there is something that exists as a genre, which is probably distinct from what the statute recognizes as an issue. BD2412 T 18:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep both - "Extreme pornography" is specific terminology used in UK law and the most likely search words used to find the legislation. The title for the article about the legislation doesn't mention extreme pornography so will be hard to find without the redirect. IndigoBeach (talk) 19:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep I think these are plausible search terms for the subject. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:36, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Extreme cold
- Extreme cold → Extreme weather (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are kinds of extreme cold that are not particularly "weather" related, e.g., Absolute zero. Perhaps disambiguate in some way. BD2412 T 05:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - It seems better to just let people search. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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- I'd support disambiguating. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:39, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Extreme heat
- Extreme heat → Heat wave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are kinds of extreme heat that are not particularly related to a "heat wave", e.g., the temperatures inside stars, and temperatures achieved in various manufacturing activities and experiments. Perhaps disambiguate in some way. BD2412 T 05:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think there should be something, minimally, linking to extreme heat -- having added a bunch of links through this redirect: much of it is weather related, Sadads (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep I think this is a plausible search term. Yes, extreme heat can refer to the inside of stars etc., but as a phrase it is usually used to describe the weather. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:39, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Tiquan Forbes
- Tiquan Forbes → Chicago White Sox minor league players#Ti'Quan Forbes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 10#Ti'Quan_Forbes Joeykai (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that Forbes is no longer part of the White Sox, thus making the redirect useless. So, the redirect should be to his current team, which is the Arizona Diamondbacks, in a section could be written, or previous bio could be restored and revised. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can make the section under the page Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players that is about Forbes, if needed. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Please do not. These pages are not meant for just every minor league player. Just notable ones and Forbes is in no way notable to be on there.-- Yankees10 01:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I can make the section under the page Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players that is about Forbes, if needed. Cherrell410 (talk) 22:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Useless re-direct.-- Yankees10 01:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Arizona Diamondbacks minor league players#Double-A where he is mentioned. Jay (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Special:Search/Ti'Quan Forbes. I'm being mildly facetious here, but that is arguably a better option than rolling a die to choose one of six targets, or leading readers to this uselessness. J947 † edits 22:16, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
West England
- Western England → West of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- West England → West of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Looking at the map on the article, this looks like too narrow of a target for this redirect. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 04:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The hatnote indicates a
retargetto West Country is in order. However, I would like someone from the UK to check the appropriateness of that; I am unsure whether further north and less westward parts of England are also included in such a definition. Bundled in West England, which targets the same place. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)- Delete per below. J947 † edits 22:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Western England to fix a redlink in Phonological history of English close front vowels - diff. It's in use there and in History of Wales. The "phonology" article distinguishes between Southern England and Western England. The lead of Southern England says that it includes the West Country (roughly, southwest England below the Severn). Western England is therefore different from the West Country, and retargetting there would be very wrong. The "history" article is talking about the area of England east of modern Wales, north of the Severn.
- I agree that the current target is wrong (and I can't think why I pointed Western England there): West of England is a modern regional authority within the West Country. Retarget both to West Midlands (region), which is broadly the part of England immediately east of Wales. Narky Blert (talk) 07:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to West Country, as the most appropriate page for the geographical west of England. Andysmith248 (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The West Country is in Southern England. Narky Blert (talk) 11:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete both as too vague and too ambiguous to be useful and unlink from, or repipe, the articles it appears in. Neither term, as far as I know, has ever had anything approaching a specific meaning. SpinningSpark 12:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Weak Delete The current redirect to West of England is just wrong. The West of England is just a rebranded name for the former county of Avon and part of Western England rather than the whole, so is an inappropriate redirect. West Country would be a better redirect but as others have pointed Western England or West England could refer to more northernly areas of Western England as well. Eopsid (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete both - neither terms have been well-defined in reliable sources and any redirection to other articles on areas smaller than the entire Western half of England will create more confusion for readers than search results. SamWilson989 (talk) 21:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:45, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Indianapolis explosion
- Indianapolis explosion → Richmond Hill explosion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not the only "Indianapolis explosion": see 1963 Indiana State Fairgrounds Coliseum gas explosion. Steel1943 (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Could also plausibly refer to USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35)#Sinking. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Setindexify to the three values mentioned here -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Setindexify per 65.92.246.142. Veverve (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete; it is not appropriate to setindexify since the connection between the term and the articles is so tenuous (note there is no New York explosion, nor similar). UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as an ambiguous term that isn't worthy of a set index per UnitedStatesian: few if any of the explosions that could conceivably be listed as a set index are referred to as 'Indianapolis explosion'. Best to just leave this as a search term. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per UnitedStatesian's points. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:45, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Surf beach
- Surf beach → Surf, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Surf Beach → Surf, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I added a hatnote to the current target to the Australian localities of Surf Beach, New South Wales and Surf Beach, Victoria but am wondering what, if anything, is the primary topic for this term. It seems very generic, and could simply refer to a beach where people surf? When Surf beach was created it was a redirect to Beach. Also note the only current article to link to either is Woodside Beach, Victoria which links to Surf Beach clearly in the generic sense. A7V2 (talk) 09:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: At the time the redirects were created, the NSW and Victoria pages did not exist yet. As noted, Surf beach was originally created as a redirect to Beach, but I changed it in 2014 after I was reverted for adding a corresponding Template:Redirect on Beach per WP:DIFFCAPS. AFAIK going through Category:Surfing locations, there is no other generic article or list that is specifically about "beaches where people surf", and there cannot be dictionary definitions listed. Of course, it would be fairly easy to be bold and remove the redirect and create a disambiguation page now. All three do not get very much daily page views, a primary topic based on usage is not statistically significant.[8] My question is whether do the NSW and Victoria pages even pass WP:NGEO to warrant separate pages at this time? The only sources cited on those two pages is census information, the geographical names board, and OpenStreetMap without any other independent, third-party reliable sources. But that is probably for another discussion venue. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- I can't (or at least won't...) comment on the notability of the two Australian articles except to say for the Victorian one I never knew it was a locality before seeing the article, just a beach. Yes I think a DAB would work. There's no wikitionary entry so we could either put at the top something like "A surf beach is a beach commonly used for surfing...", or just go straight to "Surf beach may refer to..." and then list beach and surfing under see also, perhaps accompanied by Beach (disambiguation) and Surfing (disambiguation). A7V2 (talk) 04:05, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. I'm open to converting to a dab page for now, based on User:A7V2's suggestion to list the three localities, then beach and surfing in the see also section. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Mindanao State University - Marawi (main)
- Mindanao State University - Marawi (main) → Mindanao State University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implausible search term. Double disambiguated with both dash and bracket forms of disambiguation, and "main" is not used by the subject as a disambiguator. The article content in the page history is just an unattributed copy of Mindanao State University. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Unlikely that there is attribution to be preserved. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 08:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as an implausible search term. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:46, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Diva (main)
- Diva (main) → Diva (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't see what "main" is supposed to mean in this context or why it's a useful disambiguator for this topic. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The page history and logs offer no illumination for the purpose of this redirect from 2005. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:25, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Broward County John Doe (1979)
- Broward County John Doe (1979) → List of unidentified murder victims in the United States#Florida (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect to a page where there is no mention of this topic. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 17:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Content was removed from the article due to WP:No original research. No need for a redirect.4meter4 (talk) 21:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Minho(main character in The Maze Runner Trilogy)
- Minho(main character in The Maze Runner Trilogy) → The Maze Runner#Characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Spacing error between the title and the disamiguator, capitalisation error (Trilogy should be lowercase), disambiguator is too long to be a reasonable search term - delete 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. As a person unfamiliar with the book, I wouldn't guess that there is another Minho in the series. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 08:56, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Green Book (Tibetan document))
- Green Book (Tibetan document)) → Green Book (Tibetan document) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Strawberry Tree (solar energy device)) → Strawberry Tree (solar energy device) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- David Meredith (Smithton-Culloden)) → David Meredith (minister) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Me (Buck Brothers album)) → Me (Buck Brothers album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Michel Chapuis (organist) → Michel Chapuis (organist) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Madame Chrysanthème (novel)) → Madame Chrysanthème (novel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Yet more useless WP:UNNATURAL disambiguation errors with doubled brackets. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Harvester (butterfly))
- Harvester (butterfly)) → Harvester#Biology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Julie Payne (American actress; born 1940)) → Julie Payne (actress, born 1940) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Bob Tucker (football player)) → Bob Tucker (American football) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- San Francisco (song)) → San Francisco (disambiguation)#Songs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Catherine Stanhope (Duchess of Cleveland)) → Wilhelmina Powlett, Duchess of Cleveland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Kim Sung-Jae (footballer)) → Kim Seong-jae (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another batch of redirects with malformed double bracket disambiguators. Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Sliders, Part One (Sliders episode))
- Sliders, Part One (Sliders episode)) → List of Sliders episodes#Season One (1995) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Twelve O'Clock High (1964-67 TV series)) → 12 O'Clock High (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- David Sánchez (tennis player)) → David Sánchez (tennis) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Silkroad Ensemble (Musical Group & Social Impact Organization)) → Silkroad_(arts_organization) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wheeling Creek (Pennsylvania-West Virginia)) → Wheeling Creek (West Virginia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another batch of redirects with erroneous double bracket disambiguators. Delete per WP:UNNATURAL 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ring system of (136108)) Haumea
Modern Love (song))
- Modern Love (song)) → Modern Love (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Live (Our Lady Peace album)) → Live (Our Lady Peace album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Iglesia Presbiteriana San Andrés (Centro)) → Iglesia Presbiteriana San Andrés (Centro) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Trading Up (Candace Bushnell)) → Trading Up (novel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- John Ure (Lord Provost)) → John Ure (Lord Provost) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
More redirects with malformed double bracket disambiguators, delete per WP:UNNATURAL 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
2008 Grand Finale (Grand Finale (V8 Supercars))
- 2008 Grand Finale (Grand Finale (V8 Supercars)) → 2008 NRMA Motoring & Services Grand Finale (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous, implausible and useless redirect - Nested disambiguators and pointlessly disambiguating "2008 Grand Finale" with "Grand Finale". Completely implausible search term. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Why would "V8 Supercars" be a disambiguator for "Grand Finale" as a disambiguator for "2008 Grand Finale"? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:23, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Needlessly redundant redundancy to this redirect that makes it both implausible as a search term or as something someone would want to link to from another article. "2008 Grand Finale (V8 Supercars)" or the naturalistic "2008 V8 Supercars Grand Finale" would both be more reasonable redirects. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Gio (Gio (singer))
- Gio (Gio (singer)) → Gio (singer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Completely implausible and useless redirect - Nested disambiguators, title of the redirect is diambiguated by the title of the article, dismbiguating a word with itself etc. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete With the double bracket etc this looks very implausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Sin Tí (Yolandita Monge song))
- Sin Tí (Yolandita Monge song)) → Sin Ti (Yolandita Monge song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Paul Hoffman (vpnc)) → Paul Hoffman (engineer) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Blocker (ice hockey equipment)) → Blocker (ice hockey) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Seven (Enuff Z'nuff album)) → Seven (Enuff Z'nuff album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 27th United States Infantry Regiment (Civil War)) → 27th New York Infantry Regiment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another batch of redirects with malformed disambiguators, i.e. double closing brackets. Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom. Note that Blocker (ice hockey equipment)) was speedy deleted out of process, per G7. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:22, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Margaret of France (1553–1615))
- Margaret of France (1553–1615)) → Margaret of Valois (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Cameronians (Scottish Rifles)) → Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eternal Flame (Atomic Kitten song)) → Eternal Flame (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- This (The X-Files)) → The X-Files (season 11) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Celivarone (SSR149744C)) → Celivarone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another batch of redirects from titles with malformed disambiguators. These all have doubled closing brackets and as such are implausible search terms that should be deleted per WP:UNNATURAL. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom, broken parentheticals that serve no purposee. eviolite (talk) 15:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete All of these had a spike in views last Nov, not really sure why, but still delete all. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:47, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The Celivarone article was at the malformed title for several months before being fixed, so there is always the chance that deletion could break external links. The others were either momentarily at the malformed title, were the result of a duplicate article that was redirected (Atomic Kitten; should have been speedy deleted), or was just a redirect to begin with. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Cupid.27s Chokehold
- Cupid.27s Chokehold → Cupid's Chokehold (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Strange sort of not quite percent encoded title. For context - you cannot use apostrophes in URLs for technical reasons so they have to be escaped as "%27". ".27" is complete nonsesnse though and isn't used in any kind of encoding scheme. This isn't a plausible redirect as this is essentially a redirect from a broken URL, someone copying and pasting from the adress bar isn't going to come across this. The correctly encoded Cupid's Chokehold cannot be created as it is the same page as Cupid's Chokehold. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The period-encoding is a real thing, but only an ancient MediaWiki quirk; I couldn't really find documentation for it but mw:Manual:$wgFragmentMode has some info. Essentially, period-encoding used to be done for special characters inside anchors. This use still technically works (for example I can link to Main Page#From today.27s featured article) but isn't standard anymore (and would never be relevant for the title of a full page rather than just an anchor link.) eviolite (talk) 15:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete @Eviolite has an interesting point, but it shouldn't matter anymore. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:45, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
R&B/Gospel
- R&B/Gospel → Rhythm and blues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:XY. This redirect combines two genes of music together giving it no clear target, Rhythm and blues and Gospel. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 13:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:16, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:01, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Oklahoma festival shooting
- Oklahoma festival shooting → 2022 Oklahoma festival shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a redirect left over from a page move to an article that I have redirected to List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022. Unlike the other page move redirects from this article's history, this one in particular doesn't make sense to retarget to the list page as it has no year disambiguator, and statistically speaking it's likely that this incident was not the only shooting to have taken place at a festival in Oklahoma, making it a vague and ambiguous title. There are no incoming links to worry about. ansh.666 02:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I cannot rule out if there was another mass shooting in a different year at a festival in Oklahoma. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:21, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Cache in general
- Cache in general → Cache (computing) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't think that "foo in general"→"foo" redirects are particularly helpful from a searching perspective, the title is more of a sentence fragment rather than a topic. The target here is also not a "general" article, if this is kept it should be retargeted. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 01:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. This redirect is the result of an old unsourced dictionary definition-like stub that was blanked and redirected and would undoubtedly not be kept or merged if brought to Afd. The most appropriate target would seem to be Cache (archaeology), or perhaps Cache (biology), but the term is vague and if kept should probably target the dab page at Cache. But, I agree we should not have 'Foo in general' redirects, so delete (soft delete per my previous comments). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:07, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Hip- hop music
- Hip- hop music → Hip hop music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Pop- rock → Pop rock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Blues- rock → Blues rock (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Inplausible/WP:UNNATURAL spacing errors. See also the recent nomination at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 13#Hip- hop which resulted in one of these being deleted. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 01:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Spaces around hyphens in compound words (such as Hip - hop) is already implausible enough, and asymmetric spacing is doubly so. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:31, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Čanada
According to my searches this is either the Slovak(?) name for Canada, in which case it should be deleted per WP:RLOTE, or it's the creator sticking random accents on words again, in which case it should be deleted as nonsense. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 00:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as nonsense. The Slovak name for Canada starts with a "K" (see sk:Kanada); Č is pronounced like "ch" in "chocolate", i.e. "Chanada". From wikidata:Q16 and wikt:Canada#Translations I do not see any language which uses this letter in their name for Canada. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Faux Slovak-or-whatever writing isn't really helpful to anyone in čases like this. Regards, SONIČ678 16:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per anon's findings --Lenticel (talk) 08:57, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
"John"
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 May 2 § "John" – no consensus
Textbook example of an WP:UNNATURAL title modification. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 00:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, disambiguates works often referred to with quote marks. See previous RfD. J947 † edits 22:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as could refer to either entry at John#Songs. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Ángel (Akon song)
- Ángel (Akon song) → Angel (Akon song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I can find no evidence that this song has ever been titled with an accent in English. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 00:51, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Mystifying extraneous diacritic, indeed. Created by Ian Streeter (talk · contribs), a user blocked for making implausible redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 08:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:51, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete ás impláusible, WP:XY likely. 2405:9800:BA20:AB7A:103A:27C:F917:D4F1 (talk) 10:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Blueäs Clues
- Blueäs Clues → Blue's Clues (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Lilä Mo → Lil' Mo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Canät Let Zou Go → Can't Let You Go (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A batch of redirects from titles that have had their apostrophes replaced with ä's. No idea what these are supposed to be about, creator was CIR blocked in part for making weird redirects. The last one also has a spelling mistake in it. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 00:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Can't be from an alternative character encoding to UTF-8. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Happy Editing--IAmChaos 01:42, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Really unlikely search terms. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Süpër Ülträ Mëgä Cräzÿ Impläüsïblë Sëärch Tërm, vërÿ ünlïkëlÿ!!! 2405:9800:BA20:AB7A:103A:27C:F917:D4F1 (talk) 10:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
June 1
Economic number
ꑭ
- ꑭ → wiktionary:ꑭ (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:SSRT and per just ... why? It's a word in a different language, just like there are millions of words. Fram (talk) 07:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Due to the ongoing Siege of Mariupol (where fighters of the Azov Battalion have been surrounded by the Russian Armed Forces), ꑭ has become a recent Twitter trend, and there's no applicable Wikipedia article for it, so I thought it'd probably be of benefit to create a soft redirect to Wiktionary in case curious readers came looking for it. That's the full extent of my rationale, essentially. --benlisquareT•C•E 07:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- For some extra info, see Ідея нації and Wolfsangel#Post World War II symbolism; people are using ꑭ to represent that symbol in text as it looks similar. It is for sure a plausible search term, though I don't know much about wiktionary redirects so I'll leave it to someone else to !vote on what the appropriate action is. Endwise (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- (ec)If you created this because people might be looking for Wolfsangel but mistakenly, somehow, use the Yi character instead, then why not change this Wiktionary redirect into a redirect to Wolfsangel? Your reasoning seem to be that people are looking for this, using this symbol as a search term (as it is a Twitter tag), and then you would deliberately send them to a Wiktionary page they have no interest in? That makes no sense or at least isn't reader-friendly. Fram (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, a redirect to Wolfsangel could potentially work as well. The Unicode Consortium doesn't consider ꑭ a wolfsangel, however; it fits within the Sichuan Yi Syllables codeblock at codepoint U+A46D. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide where the redirect should go (or whether it should be redirected at all). I've considered amending wikt:ꑭ to add a short mention regarding the Azov usage, however ultimately opted not to because the rule of thumb provided at wikt:Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion is minimum of one year of attested usage, and ꑭ has not been used for more than a month in the Azov sense. --benlisquareT•C•E 08:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yi_script#Modern_Yi as a character in that script, with a {{distinguish}} hatnote to Wolfsangel. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment seems to me that this is a Neologism, so WP:NEO is the appropriate guideline. Clearly there are hundreds of twitter posts with the hashtag, but only 12 hits in google news (and none in English), so a redirect somewhere content-related is clearly in order. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Ian (The Haunted House)
- Ian (The Haunted House) → Tooniverse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Plot element from The Haunted House, a Tooniverse show listed at the target but for which there is no extensive coverage on enwiki. Delete unless an policy-compliant article for the show is written (and even then, not clear that this is a salient enough plot element to warrant a redirect). signed, Rosguill talk 19:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete same as #Kang-lim Choi below, enwiki has no article either about the show or the voice actor (ko:최승훈), so nowhere we could add content. Judging from the character's article at kowiki, this is a supporting character who appears only intermittently. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Kang-lim Choi
- Kang-lim Choi → Tooniverse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, or anywhere else on Wikipedia. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This is the name of a character (see ko:최강림) in a show which airs on the Tooniverse channel. This is too tenuous a connection to be worth adding a mention at the target. Neither the show (ko:신비아파트) nor the voice actor (ko:신용우 (성우)) have English Wikipedia articles, so there's nowhere else we could add content either. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 23:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Pa Mis Muchachas (album)
- Pa Mis Muchachas (album) → Christina Aguilera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Pa Mis Muchachas is a single by Christina Aguilera, but there is no mention on her article or discography page of any album by that name. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Can definitely delete. Album is called AGUILERA not "Pa Mis Muchachas". Maxwell King123321 22:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Cara Maria Sorbello
- Draft:Cara Maria Sorbello → The Challenge: Fresh Meat II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Implasusible search term, there is no edit history, as this was created right away as a redirect. ★Trekker (talk) 18:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Probably could just be moved to mainspace as viable redirect to same target. I have no clue why it was created as a draft. WikiVirusC(talk) 18:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @WikiVirusC It was probably created in draft space because non-autoconfirmed users can't create pages in article space, and the instructions that requested redirects have to go through WP:AFC/R are a bit difficult to find. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Move to mainspace. Good faith attempt to create a redirect through the wrong process. This is the name of one of the contestants on the show, who does not appear to be notable for anything else. Most of the other mentions of this person in the project that I saw with a quick search were of the form "The Challenge contestant, Cara Maria Sorbello" 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, Cara's a pretty well-known contestant in that show, and I wanted to create a redirect, but I couldn't, so I had to submit a draft. YoungArtist79 (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Indian (Asian)
- Indian (Asian) → Indian people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't see how the disambiguator "asian" could unambiguously refer to Indian people? I think this should be retargeted to point at the dab page at Indian, which was where this redirect used to point. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Chinese people (including minorities)
- Chinese people (including minorities) → Chinese people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Chinese people (in general) → Chinese people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A pair of very strangely disambiguated redirects, WP:UNNATURAL/implausible search terms. I can't really understand what happened in the page history, but they seem to be left over from some kind of deleted WP:POVFORK article? 192.76.8.78 (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I suppose the point is to clearly specify Chinese people (i.e., ethnic Chinese) as opposed to the narrower topics of Han Chinese or Chinese citizens. The redirects seem unambiguous and therefore harmless, but I don't know if they provide much value. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as I simply think it's unlikely a reader would type in these terms. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Mathématiques
- Mathématiques → Mathematics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RLOTE. Mathematics is a common concept with no particular affinity for French. Created as part of a mass creation run by an unauthorised bot. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible spelling. 2405:9800:BA20:AB7A:103A:27C:F917:D4F1 (talk) 10:12, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Atuário
WP:RLOTE. The profession of being an Actuary has no affiliation for the Portuguese language. Created as a mass creation run by a user using an unauthorised bot. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Potential targets for this redirect are on the Portuguese wiki. --Lenticel (talk) 08:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment))
- The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment)) → South Lancashire Regiment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL disambiguation error, double closing brackets. Appears to have been a typo when the redirect was created. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:37, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
The Council (drug syndicate))
- The Council (drug syndicate)) → The Council (drug syndicate) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL error of disambiguation. The article was created at this title but was moved to the correct one bracket version 1 minute after creaton. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Ordinary (Catholic Church))
- Ordinary (Catholic Church)) → Ordinary (church officer)#Catholic usage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL error of disambiguation, double closing brackets. Appears to have been a typo when making the redirect. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Kayfabe (Professional Wrestling))
- Kayfabe (Professional Wrestling)) → Kayfabe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL disambiguation error, double brackets. Appears to have been intentionally created. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Oath of Allegiance (UK))
- Oath of Allegiance (UK)) → Oath of Allegiance (United Kingdom) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL disambiguation error, double closing parentheses. This one seems to have been intentionally created as a redirect. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
A Delicate Balance (play))
- A Delicate Balance (play)) → A Delicate Balance (play) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL disambiguation error, doubled closing parentheses. The article was at this title for 6 minutes in 2008. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, pageviews suggest possible damage if deleted. J947 † edits 22:23, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- The redirect has received no page views at all since December. In the seven years prior to that the redirect received a smidge over 200 page views, 40% of which occurred over two months in 2021, which looks a lot to me like someone accidentally linked to this redirect. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 23:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
The Bubble Boy (Seinfeld episode))
- The Bubble Boy (Seinfeld episode)) → The Bubble Boy (Seinfeld episode) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL error in the disambiguator, doubled closing parentheses. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: The article was created as The Bubble Boy (Seinfeld episode)) and was quickly moved to the correct title. This needn't be preserved. TartarTorte 13:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Archive Article
- Archive Article → Archive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Archive article → Archive (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A pair of redirects with the useless and malformed disambiguator "article" left over from cleaning up what was (in the words of the person who did the cleanup) an "extremely stupid move". Completely WP:UNNATURAL search terms, and the target article does not discuss articles. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Antrim North (Dail Eireann constituency)
- Antrim North (Dail Eireann constituency) → North Antrim (UK Parliament constituency) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not sure why the bot created this. If it was a person, I'd have guessed a political motivation. Maybe an unaccented title redirect creation that got out of hand? There is no such constituency and the title implies some sort of unified Ireland that doesn't currently exist. Whether it is considered harmful might depend on your standpoint on Irish issues, but it doesn't seem like a very likely search term or plausible typo. Lithopsian (talk) 14:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Lithopsian Eubot was well known for creating incorrect redirects, we've deleted thousands of them at this point. Old bot errors can't be deleted under criteria R3 like the IP tried to do this morning but they can be G6'd as a {{db-error}}. I just tagged See article text from the same bot for deletion this morning, which was targeting a species of dinosaur. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete seems to be a malformed bot created redirect --Lenticel (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: This constituency existed during the first First Dáil so it is not incorrect to refer to such as a Dáil constituency. Information about this should be added to the target article. TartarTorte 13:41, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Members of the 1st Dáil, which mentions the constituency? Lithopsian (talk) 16:30, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
Copa Sudamerica article
- Copa Sudamerica article → Copa Mercosur (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect with the useless and malformed disambiguator "article" left over from reverting a page move. If, for some inexplicable reason, this discussion doesn't close with a consensus to delete this it should be retargeted to point at Copa Sudamericana 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 10:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete serves no purpose. GiantSnowman 10:28, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Religion & Education article
- Religion & Education article → Religion & Education (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL page title left over from reverting a page move. Having redirects of the form "foo article" targeting "foo" are unlikely to be useful to readers in my opinion as thet are a WP:SELFREFERENCE. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Jack Tweed (independent article)
- Jack Tweed (independent article) → Celebrity Big Brother (British series 5) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect with bizarre and non standard disambiguator "independent article" for a person who does not have an independent article. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 14:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Cúcuta (main article)
- Cúcuta (main article) → Cúcuta (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Cucuta (main article) → Cúcuta (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect with useless disambiguator (main article), referring to the fact that this is a wikipedia article. The article content in the page history is a copy and paste of this [9] version of Cúcuta. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 13:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
2005–06 in line with lead article
- 2005–06 in line with lead article → 2005–06 Premiership Rugby (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Meaningless, seems like an article got moved so its title was some kind of note? 192.76.8.78 (talk) 13:50, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think what might have happened here is that someone got the page title and edit summary boxes back to front? 192.76.8.78 (talk) 15:55, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nomination. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:11, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Downs article
- Downs article → Li Zhe (tennis) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I cannot figure out any connection between this redirect and its target, or why the article was originally created here. Various web searches have left me non the wiser. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Dansou
During the last RFD in 2020, content about this Japanese term was added to the target (which discusses a related but non-synonymous phenomenon). Consensus was established that the Japanese term is WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT over Alois Dansou. However the added content was removed in 2021 as the sole source cited in support was WP:SPS. Also there's now another article about a person with this surname (Marc Dansou). Either better sources should be identified to add this topic to the target (or a different target where it would fit better), or this should be turned into a disambiguation page or WP:SETINDEX. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 09:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging participants in the last RFD: @Rosguill, AngusWOOF, CycloneYoris, and Tavix. (I was the IP participant 59.149.124.29 in that discussion). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 09:38, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Youssef Zidan
- Youssef Zidan → Kunal Nayyar#Career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a weird case. This redirect refers to a fictional character, but points to the actor's article. List of NCIS characters and NCIS (season 4) do not mention the character, either. I'd rather redirect to the former, but I imagine some people would want it gone as the article doesn't mention the character by name. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 16:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Certainly not what Nayyar is known for, and, in the context of NCIS, a minor character who only appeared in one episode. GrindtXX (talk) 16:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment n.b. the current target does mention the Youssef Zidan role, not sure I see the harm in keeping at the moment. signed, Rosguill talk 20:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Dasheng
Not mentioned at the target, Internet and Google Scholar searches do not suggest a single primary target associated with this term. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Consider re-writting as a disambiguation page, please? There are two towns in China called "Dasheng Town", and Emperor Ruizong of Tang has also somewhat a nickname "Dasheng". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wouldn't this fall in the category of "Manifestations of culture with special significance in areas where that language is spoken"? If not, then I would definitely agree that it should be removed. In any event, creating a Dasheng disambiguation page per Liuxinyu970226's suggestion would be an improvement.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The issue here isn't WP:RLOTE, but the lack of a clear connection between the search term and the target such that we could assume that readers looking for "Dasheng" are likely looking for Mahayana. As Liuxinyu has noted above, there are other things this term could refer to, so disambiguation does seem appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 20:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Dacheng which contains a list of potential targets, current redirect seems to be a spelling variant. --Lenticel (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate (drafted) per Liuxinyu970226. Mahayana could be added to the dab page in the future, but it would have to meet WP:DABMENTION first. Judging from Google Books hits for "dasheng", the current target is not the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 09:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
May 31
Shell Cottage
- Shell Cottage → Places in Harry Potter#Shell Cottage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
ambiguous, there are a load of real places called "shell cottage" too, see for example Carton House#Shell Cottage or Cullenstown. I don't think a set index would really work well here as a lot of the mentions are in other articles, so I am proposing deletion to reveal the search results. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 22:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate WP:DAB: potential article title is ambiguous, most often because it refers to more than one subject covered by Wikipedia, either as the main topic of an article, or as a subtopic covered by an article in addition to the article's main topic -- this would be a subtopic disambiguation page -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Licorice wand
- Licorice wand → Places in Harry Potter#Hogsmeade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article or anywhere else in the project (under either UK or US spelling). "Places in Harry Potter" seems like a very odd target for a sweet. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 22:23, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well it really is pointing at the Village not at the list. But still Delete per nom Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Griphindor
- Griphindor → Hogwarts#Houses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Completley implausible typo of Gryffindor. Google turns up a couple of pages of results, few of which appear to be related to Harry Potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 22:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as a quite plausible misspelling for the target. All top google hits for me (in the U.S.) are as a misspelling of the target. Good redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, refine to Hogwarts#Gryffindor to match the redirect Gryffindor. I have added redirect categories. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mdewman6 I get 47 results in total, the first page of which contains this redirect, a world of Warcraft character profile, two links to some kind of Instagram thing, two spell checking websites, some kind of fanfiction thing, a mobile game and a tiktok hashtag. Are you using quote marks "" to search for this exact string? Does google say at the top "showing results for Gryffindor"? I can't believe the US google results would be so completley different. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 02:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
first page of which contains this redirect
On that note, does Template:Rfd not have a__NOINDEX__
like Template:AfD? I feel like that shouldn't be. (please ping on reply) Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- I am not using quotes to search for the exact text, and it is showing results for Gryffindor, but that is exactly the point...this is a misspelling of Gryffindor and that's why this redirect exists. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:15, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see how you can get any useful information about the prevalence or usage of this misspelling if you are looking at google search results for a completely different word. When you look for places where people have used this exact spelling search results are both a) almost non-existent and b) overwhelmingly for stuff not related to harry potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Well, it just means that Google thinks you are looking for Gryffindor, which is probably the case for the vast majority of people googling this term. None of the other things in your Ghits seem notable, or are certainly less likely to be sought than the Harry Potter proper noun. But it's not really about Google results...it's completely plausible that someone unfamiliar with Harry Potter heard the term and would take a stab at spelling it phonetically as Griphindor. A redirect brings them directly to where the thing they are seeking is described, and tells them how it is correctly spelled. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- The guidelines on when we should have redirects, WP:RPURPOSE, states that they should be created for
Likely misspellings
. If google turns up fewer than 50 uses in the billions of websites that they have indexed then I do not think that that this meets theLikely
part of the criteria. Google trends is unable to even produce any analytics on this misspelling, because so few people have used it [10]. Compared to the correctly spelled version the relative usage of this spelling is essentially zero [11]. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC) - R.E. Google automatically suggesting a meaning - google will try to do that for any term that it can't find proper results for. If you type "widsalrweac" into google (without the quote marks) it will tell you that it found no results and show you results for "warwick" as an alternative. That does not mean widsalrweac → warwick is a good redirect. If it was actually made it would quite rightly be WP:R3'd as an implausible typo without any actual uses, which is is, it was produced by me mashing my keyboard. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- We should only delete implausible misspellings, and this one is far from implausible in my view. Misspellings much less 'plausible' than this one (like, actual typos rather than incorrect spellings deliberately typed) are kept all the time at Rfd. There is no reason to delete this, and it is arguably useful for the reasons outlined above and should be kept. Google results aren't really relevant in the final analysis. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:01, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- The guidelines on when we should have redirects, WP:RPURPOSE, states that they should be created for
- Well, it just means that Google thinks you are looking for Gryffindor, which is probably the case for the vast majority of people googling this term. None of the other things in your Ghits seem notable, or are certainly less likely to be sought than the Harry Potter proper noun. But it's not really about Google results...it's completely plausible that someone unfamiliar with Harry Potter heard the term and would take a stab at spelling it phonetically as Griphindor. A redirect brings them directly to where the thing they are seeking is described, and tells them how it is correctly spelled. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see how you can get any useful information about the prevalence or usage of this misspelling if you are looking at google search results for a completely different word. When you look for places where people have used this exact spelling search results are both a) almost non-existent and b) overwhelmingly for stuff not related to harry potter. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Mdewman6 I get 47 results in total, the first page of which contains this redirect, a world of Warcraft character profile, two links to some kind of Instagram thing, two spell checking websites, some kind of fanfiction thing, a mobile game and a tiktok hashtag. Are you using quote marks "" to search for this exact string? Does google say at the top "showing results for Gryffindor"? I can't believe the US google results would be so completley different. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 02:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, refine to Hogwarts#Gryffindor to match the redirect Gryffindor. I have added redirect categories. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Just War Theory Doctrine wikipage
- Just War Theory Doctrine wikipage → Just war theory (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:UNNATURAL. We do not need redirects of the form "foo wikipage" targeting "foo". Created by a student editor in 2016 in what appears to have been a page move accident, moved back a couple of hours later. This should have been WP:R3'd at the time, but it wasn't, hence this discussion. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 21:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Hurricane.
- Hurricane. → Tropical cyclone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Typhoon Vongfong. → List of storms named Vongfong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Typhoon Vongfong (2020). → Typhoon Vongfong (2020) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A bunch of WP:UNNATURAL title modifications with superfluous full stops on the end. Appear to have been created as the result of some kind of botched attempt to move a redirect. The page history is a mess, but contains no article content. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 21:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Youre right theres a lot of history in there, took me a moment to realize what the moves were. Delete all Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all They don't serve much purpose. The periods make them unlikely searches. They're just products product of a weird series of page moves. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per nom HurricaneEdgar 04:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Antoun issa Khouri
- Antoun issa Khouri → Antoun (Khouri) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I created this as a temporary page as part of swapping the two pages Antoun Khouri and its redirect Antoun (Khouri). The naming convention for Eastern Orthodox bishops is Firstname (Lastname) so the main article should be Antoun (Khouri) and the redirect should be Antoun Khouri; this redirect is redundant and should be deleted. Xenophore; talk 20:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as this appears to be a valid {{R from full name}} redirect. @Xenophore: as you probably realize now, if the move function won't allow you to move a page, it's not possible to work around that by moving to an intermediate page because redirects will always be left behind, unless the redirect is suppressed, which only page movers and admins can do. Bringing the move to WP:RM/TR as you did was what was needed, except like most moves, it is potentially controversial (given that the page was moved in the past), and the proper thing to do here is to start a requested move discussion, which is where your technical request is likely to end up. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep as the subject's full birth name, according to the article, so a highly plausible search term. A7V2 (talk) 02:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
The Coalition
- The Coalition → Coalition (Australia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This no longer appears to be the likely WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT given the change of government in Australia. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Keep- They are commonly known as "The Coalition" even when not in government. Note they were not in government when this redirect was created. A7V2 (talk) 01:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)- Switching to weak disambiguate. On consideration, I think it's quite possible the Australian political grouping is not the primary topic, but I'm not convinced the recent election made any difference in this regard. Second preference still keep. Strongly oppose deletion as that would leave The Coalition (company) with a weird disambiguated name with nothing at the base name. I also don't think retargeting to Coalition (disambiguation) is suitable since some of the examples pointed out as being referred to as "The Coalition" are not mentioned there. Of course Coalition (disambiguation) should be on the new DAB page. A7V2 (talk) 01:03, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. In Australian politics, the Coalition says in coalition even while in opposition.
- At the next election the media will continue to talk about the Coalition as the main non-Labor political grouping.
- This will remain true even if Labor don't reach a majority and have to rely on the Greens or independents for confidence and supply. (i.e. the presence of a governmental coalition won't change who are refereed to as "The Coalition") Micmicm (talk) 01:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- While I do agree that The Coalition will remain the dominant topic in Australia, I don't know if it can be immediately assumed that it's the global primary topic. Several other topics at Coalition (disambiguation) can be referred to as "The Coalition", such as various other (albeit defunct) coalitions in other governmental bodies in addition to The Coalition (company). Just something to think about; my personal opinion is that the current hatnote system is probably fine as none of the other specific topics get nearly as many page views as Coalition (Australia). eviolite (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate as nom. To echo Eviolite, this title is far too ambiguous; though it may be the first thing that comes to mind for Australians, this can't be said to extend to the rest of the world. In the UK, for instance, "The Coalition" is commonly understood to mean the former Cameron–Clegg coalition. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- DABify as per above; or delete as extremely ambiguous. Veverve (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - This will mean, as stated above, radically different things to different people inside of the Anglopshere as a whole. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:38, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Divert to Coalition (disambiguation) to broaden the range of topics. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
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Create wikipage
- Create wikipage → Help:Your first article (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
“Wikipage" is an obscure word. Newer people may use terms like page or (correctly) article, but probably not wikipage. Capsulecap (talk • contribs) 19:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Wikipage is the general name for a page on a wiki, I see people at the teahouse quite often asking for help with "writing their wikipage". This is exactly the kind of term where a cross namespace redirect is helpful, the people who are searching for this are probably too new to know that different namespaces exist. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
2021 Oting Nagaland Massacre
- 2021 Oting Nagaland Massacre → 2021 Nagaland killings (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Is.... anyone really going to search this up on Wikipedia? There are no links to here in the mainspace articles, there's no reason to disambiguate the title, and even if a reader wanted to search up something like this, there's a 99% chance they would type something like Oting massacre. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 17:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{R from move}} with a significant amount of incoming traffic. The article spent nearly a day and a half at this title after it was first written, and this redirect still gets ~ 50 page views a month. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:10, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per IP above. Anyone searching this will be taken to exactly what they are looking for. A7V2 (talk) 02:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Z Street
- Z Street → Street or road name#Z Street (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
delete as the original target is now a redirect to street name, which is a general discussion with nothing on this particular street name. Mangoe (talk) 16:16, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - the current target wasn't really redirected to street name, this was part of a move of the original target due to a RM discussion (see Talk:Street name#Requested move 22 May 2022). The section discussing/mentioning Z Street doesn't look like it changed as part of this move, and is currently at Street name#Lettered and numbered streets, so if kept it should be retargeted there. No opinion on whether this should be deleted or retargeted though. A7V2 (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Is Love Supposed to Hurt Like This?
- Is Love Supposed to Hurt Like This? → Staydom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned on target now or at the time of creation. Cannot find a suitable target to redirect to. If there is a suitable target I'd have no objection to saving. Richhoncho (talk) 11:57, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- It was mentioned in the article. It is a literal translation of the Korean title of the song "사랑은 원래 이렇게 아픈 건가요", which was given the English title of "Love Fool". Some sources on the Internet (perhaps not too reliable, but they are out there) provide this as the translation of the Korean title. Ss112 12:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
MOS:PSEUDOCODE
- MOS:PSEUDOCODE → Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Manual of style#Algorithms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This doesn't actually link to the Wikipedia Manual of Style or any sub-entity, which is the purpose of the pseudo-namespace "MOS". It links to an essay, which appears to be an misuse of the pseudo-namespace. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Whether or not the wikiproject should be using the term Manual of Style is not a matter that can be settled by deleting one of the more than ten redirects of this kind which target the article. This shortcut has been used so obviously some users find it useful. And it links to a manual of style so I don't think it's inappropriate. But I emphasise I don't think this is the appropriate venue unless there is some past discussion on something similar. A7V2 (talk) 06:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects for discussion is clearly the appropriate venue for discussing redirects. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- I apologise as I may have misinterpreted your nomination. If the question is in general whether something other than the actual MOS can be called the/a MOS, then that is not something which can be decided here. But failing some broader discussion about pages calling themselves a Manual of Style without being the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, I am of the opinion that this (apparently) useful redirect (to a manual of style) should be kept, and that to say because it's not a link to the Manual of Style it should be deleted is unnecessary bureaucracy. A7V2 (talk) 06:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects for discussion is clearly the appropriate venue for discussing redirects. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have no preference as to if this should be kept or deleted, but I would note that many other MOS pseudo-prefixed pages link to places that are not WP:MOS. For example, MOS:IBID links to Wikipedia:Citing sources#IBID and MOS:EL links to a DAB with some MOS links but also two non-MOS links. This argument is to some extent WP:WAXy as it is essentially saying X does this and it's fine, but on the other hand I think it does establish that the rules for the MOS: pseudo-namespace are either not comprehensive or not enforced; neither of which are inherently a bad thing. TartarTorte 02:32, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - if MOS was a true namespace this would have gotten R2'ed. NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @NotReallySoroka: I'm not following, how would "this have gotten R2'ed" if MOS were a "true" namespace? WP:R2
applies to redirects (apart from shortcuts) from the main namespace
. Seeing that this is a shortcut, and MOS would not be the main namespace, there's two reasons why that would not work. -- Tavix (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- @NotReallySoroka: I'm not following, how would "this have gotten R2'ed" if MOS were a "true" namespace? WP:R2
Gilman Hot Springs, ca
- Gilman Hot Springs, ca → Riverside County, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The re-direct Gilman Hot Springs exists and quite rightly points to Gold Base. This redirect points to a wikilink in Riverside County, California which then links to Gold Base. I'd just re-point it but the duplication of 'Gilman Hot Springs' in the search bar is confusing for readers, there's no other Gilman Hot Springs to disambiguate from and the lowercase abbreviation of 'ca' is odd. Zindor (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Seems unnecessary. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 14:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to Gold Base. There is also Gilman Hot Springs, California which targets the same section as Gilman Hot Springs. So probably not very useful, considering the forms with proper abbreviation ("CA" or "Cal." or "Ca.") don't exist, but also likely harmless and could be retargeted. But I agree the potential for cluttering of search results that can lead to confusion weighs slightly toward deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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File:Kazhugu.jpg
- File:Kazhugu.jpg → File:Kazhugu 1981 poster.jpg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Apart from helping differentiate from Kazhugu (2012 film), I think it should be deleted per G7. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:FILEREDIRECT, the title does not fall under one of the criteria for deletion, after 8 years at this title there are going to be a lot of historic uses. Ambiguity on its own is not justification to delete a redirect in file space. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NFCC WP:GALLERY Wikipedia should not violate copyright laws by serving non-free content to off-site uses as an image server. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 04:40, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Hall of Shame
Coastal waters
- Coastal waters → Territorial waters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
marine coastal ecosystems is a better option for this redirect (under 'overview' in para 2 it talks about coastal seas). Territorial waters is not appropriate as they can stretch out dozens kilometers away from the shore into the pelagic. EMsmile (talk) 08:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Coast. I think marine coastal ecosystems is a bit too specific for this rather general redirect, there are all sorts of other properties of coastal waters that are not related to either it's ecology or the country that owns it. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Coast is entirely about land, so I don't agree with that as a target. MB 22:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think Coast would be my second choice as a redirect. It could work. I don't think that "coast is entirely about land". See the lead of coast which says "as the area where land meets the ocean, or as a line that forms the boundary between the land and the ocean or a lake". Therefore, coastal waters is the water close to the coast, right? Another option could be Continental shelf. But marine coastal ecosystems would work quite fine, I think. EMsmile (talk) 23:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I agree Marine coastal ecosystem may be a bit too specific. I can't seem to identify a clearly good target. Options include Littoral zone and Continental shelf. Littoral zone is probably more on point, but the Continental shelf article is a little broader in content. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Lot (fineness)
- Lot (fineness) → Lot (unit) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no mention in Lot (unit) of a measurement of "fineness". I can find no such measure in the complete online Oxford English Dictionary; it is difficult to search online for this term, as "lot" is used in the auction sense. The redirect was created over an unsourced article which was a translation of the unsourced equivalent in de.wiki. There is nothing in the target article to help a reader looking for "Lot (fineness)", so the redirect is unhelpful and should be deleted. PamD 08:29, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's also interesting that the word "lot" does not occur in the long and detailed article Fineness. PamD 08:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and recreate (sourced) article. You've summed it up. Lot (fineness) was rather hastily wiped on the basis of being uncited - something that could have been raised on the talk page - and converted into a redirect without checking the target was relevant. I've recreated the article in User space here, this time with references, so it's ready to go. The two articles should then be tweaked to refer to each other. Bermicourt (talk) 08:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. "Lot" is not mentioned in the article Fineness because it's focussed on the present-day situation; there is no history section. However, the Lot or Loth was a standard unit of fineness (and weight) in the German Empire until replaced by the French 1/1000 system that's still used today. Bermicourt (talk) 08:44, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Bermicourt: Then please just go ahead and revert the redirect again and upgrade the article, with your sources: the way you initially re-created it was an unsourced as it had always been, hence all this waste of time (though it was mildly interesting trawling through OED trying to find anything related to silver...). PamD 08:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, sorry, I originally just translated the unsourced German article but wasn't expecting it to be wiped without discussion as I can usually find sources quite easily. I'm in the process of upgrading and sourcing the sister article, Lot. :) Bermicourt (talk) 09:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Bermicourt: Just a note that as a holder of the autopatrolled right, there is something more expected of you than dropping an unsourced translation, because you are sidestepping NPP scrutiny. You should absolutely expect such creations to be reverted, and the "easily findable sources" are your responsibility to provide. Alternatively, give up autopatrolled please. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reminder. However, WP:NPPCHK actually says "If the article is unreferenced... you may be able to improve the article by adding better references. Otherwise, add appropriate tag(s) to the top of the article (see collapsed box to the right)." So, no, I wouldn't expect it to be automatically reverted; nor should it be wiped and redirected to the wrong target. Far better would be a constructive discussion on the talk page and an appropriate tag. I spend plenty of time adding sources to unsourced material like this, so I really don't have a problem with that. Bermicourt (talk) 13:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- You seem to be intent on overlooking the fact that using the autopatrolled right implies that your articles are, if not perfect, at least free from fundamental issues right from the start. Because, repeating myself here, you are sidestepping most of the basic scrutiny that every other new article would be subjected to. If you don't realize that this is a problem, you definitely should not have that right. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the reminder. However, WP:NPPCHK actually says "If the article is unreferenced... you may be able to improve the article by adding better references. Otherwise, add appropriate tag(s) to the top of the article (see collapsed box to the right)." So, no, I wouldn't expect it to be automatically reverted; nor should it be wiped and redirected to the wrong target. Far better would be a constructive discussion on the talk page and an appropriate tag. I spend plenty of time adding sources to unsourced material like this, so I really don't have a problem with that. Bermicourt (talk) 13:49, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Bermicourt: Just a note that as a holder of the autopatrolled right, there is something more expected of you than dropping an unsourced translation, because you are sidestepping NPP scrutiny. You should absolutely expect such creations to be reverted, and the "easily findable sources" are your responsibility to provide. Alternatively, give up autopatrolled please. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, sorry, I originally just translated the unsourced German article but wasn't expecting it to be wiped without discussion as I can usually find sources quite easily. I'm in the process of upgrading and sourcing the sister article, Lot. :) Bermicourt (talk) 09:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- At this point I think this discussion can be procedurally closed as the subject of the discussion is no longer a redirect. RFD is not a suitable place to discuss either concerns about user rights or articles. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:46, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:NOTAFORM
- Wikipedia:NOTAFORM → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No need to have a shortcut redirect from a misspelling. This isn't linked anywhere currently -- and shouldn't be. It existing will allow people to link to it, therefore propagating the misspelling, so there is a cost to not deleting this. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as an implausible and unlinked misspelling which spells another word. I really don't see the need for misspelling redirects for all caps one word shortcuts.192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above. — The Anome (talk) 00:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:56, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:PEER
- Wikipedia:PEER → Wikipedia:WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Peer review since PR is the primary topic. Mislinks to the WikiProject page can be seen at Talk:Main Page/Archive 61#Proposition for featured article for 03/28/06, Talk:Reverend Gary Davis#GA review, and Talk:Jamaica College#Re-assessment 5. Thanks! NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, looks like a better target. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or at worst Disambiguate due to a significant amount of incoming links (150+) which seem to overwhelmingly intended to target the peerage wikiproject. From a spot check mislinks seem to be only a small portion of current uses. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:32, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Czechoslovak
- Czechoslovak → Czechoslovakism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Divert to Czechoslovakia: The word "Czechoslovak" is a demonym for the erstwhile country. Please also see the Astronaut page where "Czechoslovak" is used to describe a person from Czechoslovakia. Thank you. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support speedily retargeting to Czechoslovakia, the original longstanding target of the term from when I created this redirect in 2014 until a few months ago when it was changed without discussion. BD2412 T 04:09, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Czechoslovakia. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Move the disambiguation page at Czechoslovak (disambiguation) to this title, just like we do with other country demonym titles, e.g. Polish, American or French. A quick search sugggests that the disambiguation page could be expanded with a few other ambiguous terms too, like Czechoslovak people and Czechoslovak citizens. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support the ideal retarget would either be Czechoslovakia or Czechoslovak (disambiguation). Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 22:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Retarget to DABStruck - see below thank you 192..78 Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)- @IAmChaos If you agree that this title should lead to the disambiguation page then the DAB page should be moved here. When you have a redirect at "Foo" pointing to "Foo (disambiguation)" you have what is called a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Horse racer
- Horse racer → Lampropeltis getula (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This term can also be used in reference to horse racing. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to horse racing and add hatnote pointing to the snake article --Lenticel (talk) 01:25, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget with hatnote as Lenticel suggested, sounds like the best solution. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Real vampires
- Real vampires → Vampire (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vampires aren't real, but in any case Vampire (disambiguation) does not disambiguate the term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vampire lifestyle. SpinningSpark 22:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As overly vague. Just because someone is living in a manner similar to a vampire does not mean they are a "real" vampire - the closest to that is animals like vampire bats. Overall there is no obvious target for it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. When I saw "real vampires" the first thing that came to my mind would be (real) people that were believed to be vampires, like Elizabeth Báthory or Vlad the Impaler. This is sort of discussed at Vampire. Some other plausible if unlikely things someone searching this might be looking for, eg Vampire lifestyle and various vampire animals are also at the current target. Other potential articles someone might be looking for are Clinical vampirism (certainly "real"), or even Blood as food or Hematophagy. Perhaps those last three should be added to the see also section of Vampire (disambiguation)? A7V2 (talk) 12:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep - I agree with CycloneYoris. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @CoffeeWithMarkets: @CycloneYoris relisted this discussion, but it doesnt appear that he !-voted in this discussion. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Zxcvbnm's points, overly vague. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vampire lifestyle to which Vampire subculture, Vampire community and Blood fetishism also redirect. This is as "real" as we can get! Jay (talk) 12:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. The only target that would make sense to me would be a List of historical vampires that I cannot find (List of vampires is entirely fictional). Vampire lifestyle is tempting, but I don't think "real vampire" is quite a fit there—these are people cosplaying as vampires, etc. -- Tavix (talk) 21:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Cum bowl
- Cum bowl → UConn–UMass football rivalry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- CUM bowl → UConn–UMass football rivalry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There appears to be some usage of this moniker on Reddit, but it's not at the target and it's not clear to me that it rises to the level of a search term we need a redirect for. signed, Rosguill talk 18:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: There has been usage of the term on Reddit, Twitter, and other social media platforms, but no coverage of the term in reliable sources. --QueenofBithynia (talk) 18:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Dump the cum from the bowl. Cbl62 (talk) 23:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete unlikely synonym at best --Lenticel (talk) 01:12, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Torengos
- Torengos → Procter & Gamble (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Product not mentioned at all in the target article. Looking up Torengos on Google I get a similar product to Pringles but they're triangular tortilla chips instead of potato crisps, and were released in late 2001. Before 2015, when this page was redirected, it was a short summary about this product. Revert back or delete? Colgatepony234 (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Revert and send to AfD per WP:BLAR --Lenticel (talk) 01:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Procter & Gamble brands#Discontinued brands where it is mentioned. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 03:40, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Violoneux
Not mentioned in the target article's body; there is a site in the "External links" section named "Violoneux.fr", but it is a web site (not a fiddle) and it's in French. Apparently, this word means "fiddler" in French. For the aforementioned reason, this redirect is a WP:FORRED issue since the target does not have affinity to the French language. Steel1943 (talk) 07:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RLOTE. Also, 'violoneux' only more or less designates the second meaning of 'fiddle': 'violoneux' means either 'a violin player of a village participating in its ceremonies', or 'a bad violin player', or 'a person who plays folk or popular music on their violin and has not learned violin in a conventional way'; see fr:Violoneux and the Larousse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veverve (talk • contribs) 10:21, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as either a redirect to the opera Le violoneux or as a disambiguation page linking to the opera and to Fiddle. Violoneux is the French equivalent to the English language term fiddler.4meter4 (talk) 20:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per Veverve. signed, Rosguill talk 18:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, as discuseed by 4meter4, above. Tim riley talk 08:44, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per 4meter4. PianoDan (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per 4meter4. There's not much to add. Even if it weren't a common-enough French term, this would still be appropriate as a redirect to the opera. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
St. Rose of Lima Parish in Chula Vista
- St. Rose of Lima Parish in Chula Vista → Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no information of this subject either at the current target or at Chula Vista, California: without a mention a reader can learn nothing about it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's mentioned at List of churches in the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego#South County, albeit with little info. Also, this was a result of a WP:BLAR, though the article had had no sources since 2009. eviolite (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Diphosphorus trisulfide
- Diphosphorus trisulfide → Phosphorus sulfides (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of any P
2S
3 (the formula used on the page before being redirected) at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. This is a real compound, though certainly not a common phosphorus sulfide. The stub that was WP:BLARed was unsourced and pretty much just linked the name with its molar mass, but it's plausible it could be expanded. So either add a sourced mention to its current target, or restore the stub and send to Afd to either improve and expand or WP:TNT and WP:REDYES it to encourage creation of a more complete article. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Restore article. This seems to be a highly unstable, difficult to study substance, but we can at least write about some of the attempts to research it [12][13] and this [14] on pp. 5-6 discusses a theoretically stable 2D crystal version of the chemical. SpinningSpark 20:22, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Dendrobaena veneta
- Dendrobaena veneta → Dendrobaena hortensis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not fully synonymous. --Artoria2e5 🌉 03:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- We could also re-structure the article to cover an entire species complex, reflecting the messy current use of the worm. --Artoria2e5 🌉 04:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The species is mentioned several times at target article, and is also deemed as similar to the one featured there. No need for deletion. Re-structuring the target also seems like a viable option. CycloneYoris talk! 06:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
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Big Bang Theory
- Big Bang Theory → The Big Bang Theory (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 February 21 § Big Bang Theory – Housekeeping keep
Ngrams shows that prior to the release of the TV show this capitalization had about half the uses of the more common "Big Bang theory". Given the frequent use of this capitalization for the theory, the clear primary topic by long term significance for "Big Bang Theory" is the theory, and the redirect should be retargeted there. BilledMammal (talk) 11:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: a check of "Big Bang Theory" on Google scholar shows that many of the references are specific to the TV show, rather than the scientific theory. I'm not sure that results prior to the release of the TV show are relevant now. Praemonitus (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support for the retarget to Big Bang theory per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and long-term significance. In general, we should not distinguish redirects by capitalization alone except in clear-cut cases, to avoid confusing readers who are likely to assume that searching won't be case-sensitive. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Praemonitus's comment. A majority of users searching the all uppercase are seeking the show, and redirects should be setup to help the most users reach the desired content more quickly. Lowercase versions Big Bang theory and Big bang theory appropriately target Big Bang. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:SMALLDETAILS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- WP:SMALLDETAILS doesn't apply here - per ngrams, this capitalization is frequently used to refer to the theory and doesn't have a distinct meaning. BilledMammal (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget: Primary long-term signifigance is the scientific theory. --Spekkios (talk) 10:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Given the ambiguity of the title, it should point to a disambiguation page. Retarget to Big Bang Theory (disambiguation) or move the latter to overwrite the redirect. – McDutchie (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Big Bang Theory (disambiguation). Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 20:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to the disambiguation page. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 15:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- If this title is going to refer to the disambiguation page then Big Bang Theory (disambiguation) should be moved to this tile, as redirecting to it would result in a WP:MALPLACED disambiguation page. This really is one of those cases where you can make reasonable arguments either way, from what I can tell the TV show appears to be the primary topic on the web and in traditional news media, in books it's a bit more split with some mentions of the scientific theory and in academic literature there's a significant amount of mentions of both. There's also the various concerns about WP:RECENTISM and what have you to consider. On the overall balance I think disambiguation is probably the way to go as an inherently ambiguous search term. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Letter of protest
- Letter of protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Letter of Protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Letters of protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Letters of Protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. Lemma as such only mentioned once (in a recursive link included in a parenthetic phrase). Hildeoc (talk) 00:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Refine all to Diplomatic correspondence#Notes for now, or disambiguate. The current target article was at the first redirect for quite some time, so should be preserved, and the current target is the only case where this specific term is used. However, I agree the current target does not fully capture the broader concept. Protest just mentions that letters are a form of protest. Google search, in the U.S. anyway, indicates this is a term used in the context of Trademarks, but I can't find anything about that on enwiki. So I could also envision a dab page with links for these various contexts. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget all to protest. Letters of protest appear outside of diplomatic correspondence, for instance with political correspondence, contractual disputes, etc -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all - Writing a letter to an entity because one is miffed about something is an extremely general idea that doesn't really go anywhere, in my opinion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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Heart 103.5
- Heart 103.5 → Heart Sussex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm unsure where this should go. Someone attempted to retarget to Heart Sussex, but neither this nor DWKX are high-affinity targets for the name "Heart 103.5". I wonder if deletion is merited. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: apparently, it is another radio station, but I found nothing on it appart from this logo; no mention at the target. Veverve (talk) 07:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to DWKX#2007:_Heart_FM where the name of this radio station is mentioned several times. CycloneYoris talk! 09:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Redirect or disambiguate. DWKX was at this title for a few months when this was its name. (reference: https://radioinfo.asia/news/k-lite-returns-manila/) 86.141.247.208 (talk) 18:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
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Nation of China
- Nation of China → China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect to Chinese people, based off of precedent from other '_ nation' redirects like Irish nation, Nation of Pakistan or Pakistani nation. BTW, I plan to propose merging Zhonghua minzu into Chinese people#Zhonghua minzu (the "Chinese nation"). Balkovec (talk) 08:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet)
- Comment: Chinese nation redirects to Zhonghua minzu. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Setindexify to Han people, Chinese people, Zhonghua minzu, Tianxia (All Under Heaven) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - This terminology seems as if it can refer to multiple different things, none of them with a solid leg over the other necessarily. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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- DABify or Setindexify per above, the expression can refer to many things. Preference for setindexifying. Veverve (talk) 10:46, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Chinese people. Although nation can refer to a country, it's primarily a reference to a people (see Nation#Etymology and terminology.) Han is too narrow, Tanxia is too wide, and Zhonghua minzu is tagged for merging anyway. -- Tavix (talk) 22:15, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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La Nueva
- La Nueva → La Nueva Provincia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
La Nueva can mean things from WDCN-LD,Branded as La Nueva to La nueva Francia,an Argentinian film.Just like La Mega,I think La Nueva should be dabified. Danubeball (talk) 17:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: La nueva Francia, and any other titled work beginning with "La Nueva..." (La Nueva Cuba, La Nueva España, La Nueva cigarra, etc.) are partial title matches, and so likely do not need disambiguating ('La nueva' simply means "The new" in Spanish). La Nueva Provincia seems to have rebranded to simply La Nueva, which was my original impetus for creating the redirect (that article should perhaps be moved to La Nueva or La Nueva (newspaper)). Few other entities on English Wikipedia seem to be titled with an unqualified "La Nueva": radio stations like La Nueva 87.7, WODA#La Nueva 94, KQQK#La Nueva "Z" and WIRA all seem to be primarily qualified with the FM/AM frequency or other brand on official websites and branding, raising the issue of which name, if any, should be a primary topic. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- DABify per nom and Animalparty. Veverve (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nueva and add "La Nueva" (The New) values there; alternately directly dabify -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep or Move La Nueva Provincia over redirect. I started creating the disambiguation before realizing that the stations are PTMs too. Translating so it makes more sense, "The New 100" would make sense as branding for a new radio station at that frequency, but "The New" without the frequency would not make sense—it's missing the subject. I'm happy to be proved wrong if someone can find branding for any (or all?) of these that drop the frequency, but as for now I have concluded that the Argentine newspaper to be the only valid subject identified. -- Tavix (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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Fascist war
New Tretyakov Gallery
- New Tretyakov Gallery → Tretyakov Gallery (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Proposing deletion. New Tretyakov Gallery is a separate building located at a different location than the Tretyakov Gallery. — Golden call me maybe? 19:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - the New Tretyakov Gallery is administratively part of the Tretyakov Gallery and we have a section in that article on the New Tretyakov Gallery - Tretyakov Gallery#Gallery of modern art. We also have a single line stub article on the Central House of Artists, Moscow, which existed as an art gallery and venue before becoming part of the Tretyakov Gallery in 1985, at which point it was shared between the artists' union and the Tretyakov, where it housed the gallery's 20th century art collections. It was named the New Tretyakov Gallery in 2015, and the artists' union moved out in 2019, leaving it entirely in the hands of the Tretyakov. Until the New Tretyakov Gallery redirect is turned into an article along the lines of ru:Новая Третьяковка (which I have been mulling over doing) then the redirect should remain to the Tretyakov Gallery article as a valid search term giving useful information on the topic. Spokoyni (talk) 01:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Edgelord
This redirect does not in any way get mentioned in the article. Perhaps an article for "Edgelord" would be better suited. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 02:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I don't know if the generic concept of being an 'edgelord', as partially distinct from being a 'troll', is worth an article. It may be, though. At any rate, the current redirect isn't appropriate. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as can't see a suitable target. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- There's a song on the album My Agenda that has this name, perhaps a disambiguation page between the current target, the song and a link to the Wiktionary definition would be reasonable? This has been getting a lot of page views (100+/month) so we should probably have something at this title. 192.76.8.78 (talk) 20:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
May 28
Bc airport
SALTO-YOUTH
Salto, Misiones
Ytterbium dodecaboride
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Mustard sauce
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Matthew Lehmann
Anthony Pina
Travis Walker (dancer)
Christopher Rudd (dancer)
Sébastien Riou
Melissa Boniface
Laëtitia Clément
Emily Collier
Tara Williamson
Galien Johnston
Nadezhda Vostrikov
Skye Balfour-Ducharme
Taking
- Taking → Theft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Taking (law) → Eminent domain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects should point to the same target, or converted to a disambiguation page if there is no primary topic, as the disambiguator on the second is insufficient. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The first was unilaterally retargeted from Eminent domain by Gaioa (talk · contribs) on January 14. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- DABify per nom. Veverve (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Target both to eminent domain. I don't see an indication that taking is a common synonym for theft, and while lots of articles include taking in their title, they all appear to be WP:PTMs. The Take, Taken, and Took are disambiguation pages, but don't include any items titled taken. It does not appear to be an ambiguous term. - Eureka Lott
- (Re)target both to Eminent domain per Eureka Lott, where Takings targets as well. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- setindexify between eminent domain and revenue, since the wikt:takings of a business is its revenue -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Taking. As I recall, kidnapping has also historically been referred to as "taking" (as has being selfish in a relationship). I would still consider the primary purpose of Taking (law) to be Eminent domain, and would keep that redirect. BD2412 T 06:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate - "Taking" can mean the theft of something by a criminal, the seizing of a place by a military occupation, the kidnapping of an individual, and more. I agree that we should be thorough here. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Drafted, which can now serve as the destination for takings and taking (law) -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- I have added the plural to the draft to accomodate takings. I could not find a mention of taking or takings at one of the dab entries Revenue. Should there be a redirect for Business takings? Jay (talk) 07:57, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
Barrier Islands of New Jersey
Musical Genres/Hip
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L'Affaire Lafarge
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Pilot (The Gifted)
Private information
Seth Bogart
Carmen LoPorto
May 26
"beIN Sports Xtra"
MAGA
World's Most Wanted
English Clasico
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Surf beach
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Kalimna
Ukrainian Genocide
One-Eyed Jack (murder victim)
DNA experiments
- DNA experiments → Scientific method#DNA-experiments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- DNA experiment → Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
The current target of this redirect is rather surprising/astonishing since it's not about the actually subject of "DNA experiments", leads to a subject named "DNA experiment", or a list of experiments using DNA. I would have to believe there's a better target, but I'm not sure what. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: For reference, a search for the term "DNA experiment" (DNA experiment doesn't exist) returns several examples of experiments that utilize DNA. In regards to an actual retargeting option for this redirect, what seems to be the best option I found is List of experiments#Biology, but even that does't seem to be good enough since the section includes several experiments not directly related to DNA. Possibly deletion would be the better option here so the search results are not hidden by an existing redirect forwarding readers to a specific page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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- ...Umm, not sure how that addresses any part of my concerns with the redirect, but okay, thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I found a short article which has a context section: Shot/reverse shot#Context Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 11:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I thought a redirect was supposed to aid in finding a topic. For example if Soldiers have an informal name for an Army topic, wouldn't it be helpful to create a redirect for the informal name? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So if a redirect to a page such as DNA experiment (scientific method) would satisfy the requirement? I could then create an anchor to the appropriate place in Scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually I saw some of the experiments from the DNA story in this list. DNA is the seed topic for whole industries now. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 22:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) ...And in regards to a page named "DNA experiment (scientific method)", that is disambiguation. One of the basic assumed requirements of a disambiguated title is that the version of it without disambiguation exists, and presently, DNA experiment doesn't exist. Steel1943 (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thus "List of experiments in biology" resembles a disambiguation page, but might actually describe the arc of a narrative? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So how does this redirect case RFD differ from DNA#History? What if DNA experiment were to become a disambiguation page to List of experiments on DNA; Scientific method; DNA#History ?--Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 01:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I can see how concerns about the redirect to a crucial experiment would cover up search results, but wouldn't a disambiguation page (sample above) handle this? Why can't I just start writing such a dab page? Is the rationale for this page meant to include other editors? --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 02:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- So I ran the Nominator's search for DNA experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=DNA+experiment&ns0=1&ns9=1&ns11=1 , and found a useful list which could be exploited (it's actually the first time I have found the Wikipedia Search to be usable): What I refer to is the type of Narrative paradigm called a crosscut, itself a disambiguator page. There is a sport on the Internet called the Wikipedia game, in which every article in the encyclopedia seems to have a root page: philosophy. This game has led to some users to actually edit encyclopedia articles, to keep the Narrative alive. In turn, other editors intervene, to break the chain to philosophy, in a battle between good and evil, an infinite game, or the conflict continuum#Competition continuum, or the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 09:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Genetic engineering. I can't make sense of the above discussion or the current state of the Scientific method article, but genetic engineering, to me, seems like the obvious topic someone who entered "DNA experiments" in the search box would be looking for. Tevildo (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Proposed Retarget: Added genetic engineering, and additional links, to a new target, a section Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis, as an application of the new understanding opened up in succeeding decades, after its discovery by the scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 07:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting to add DNA experiment to this discussion. It was created during the course of this discussion and I would think it should have the same home as the plural form.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix (talk) 16:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, which has the most in-depth information I can find on various experiments relating to DNA. -- Tavix (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to genetic engineering. When I saw the phrase "DNA experiment", genetic engineering was exactly what I thought of. Minkai (boop that talk button!-contribs-ANI Hall of Fame) 00:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, as examples have been given of DNA experiments that do not involve genetic engineering. Deletion would also be ok in my opinion. signed, Rosguill talk 20:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Participants have yet to decide which target is best. Is it Genetic engineering or History of molecular biology?
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- Retarget - I would also take this to 'history of molecular biology' given that scientific research on the practical side into DNA has preceded what we tend to think of as specific 'genetic eingeering'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. "DNA experiment" is simply too ambiguous to be a good redirect. It could refer to many different types of methodologies/techniques as well as numerous historically important results. Disambiguation doesn't make sense because "DNA experiment" isn't really a specific term that could refer to multiple specific things, instead it is a plausible search term, and we should let the search function do its job, as a disambiguation page could never be exhaustive. That said, since the discussion is trending toward retargeting somewhere, History of molecular biology seems like a superior target to Genetic engineering, as genetic engineering is much too specific (lots of scientific work, past and present, that could be described as a "DNA experiment" is outside the context of genetic engineering). Mdewman6 (talk) 01:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Duck Ponds
Hölder conjugates
Functional analyst
Extreme porn
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 2#Extreme porn
Extreme cold
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Extreme heat
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Betting odds
Tiquan Forbes
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Chairman of the Board of Veterans' Appeals
May 23
The Coalition
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HM The King & HM The Queen
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Made in Azerbaijan
≬
Another pointless Wiktionary symbol redirect. The wiktionary target here is useless, consisting of a single word (the unicode character name) with no attempt at explaining what this symbol actually means or when it is used. This also fails the conditions for soft redirection laid out at WP:SSRT, this is neither a commonly wikified words or a page that has been repeatedly recreated. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. All single unicode characters should be blue links, and Neel.arunabh has expanded the target at Wiktionary so that it gives an explanation of the meaning and how it is used. The WP:SOFTSP guideline is not a set of requirements that every soft redirect must meet, but a guideline that lists the most common situations where one is appropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, it serves no purpose. Zaathras (talk) 13:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I also think a WP:REDLINK-type deletion would be beneficial because I'm surprised that I can't find a good article for this to target. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
Results from sister projects
with a link to the Wiktionary page. It's one click from the search page and it's one click via a soft redirect. There's no difference. Also, if your research fails to find anything worthwhile, then it's not going to be a plausible search term and would thus fail the criteria for soft redirects to Wiktionary. -- Tavix (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)- Firstly every individual unicode character with a defined meaning is a plausible search term, this is widely established (otherwise we would routinely link them in the tables of unicode characters or routinely keep them here. Secondly, there is no exaggeration - search results are not guaranteed to contain links to Wiktionary, nor are they always immediately presented to a searcher (what they see depends what device they are using, how they are navigating and whether they can start new articles; for example someone following a redlink on desktop will be invited to search and/or create an article first and have to choose to look at search results), so even if someone does see the sister projects box, and does immediately recognise that it's the only useful thing they will see from the internal search results, then it's not always just a single click away. Thirdly, I didn't say that my research found anything worthwhile - the internal search engine found nothing relevant, external search engines found content suitable for Wiktionary but not for Wikipedia.
- Finally, not a single benefit of deletion over a soft redirect has been established - even if the Wiktionary article were always one click away after deletion (which it wouldn't be) then it would still offer no advantages over the soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I fail to see what is accomplished by deleting this. WP:R#D10 doesn't apply here since nobody would create an article at the Unicode character, and the target does provide significant information on this character. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)- Keep; seems to have an appropriate explanation. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Should all single Unicode characters have an extant page where there is a single reasonable target? That is a good question which cannot be litigated here where through discussions on individual items. Perhaps a wider community discussion on the matter might be a good idea. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Consensus here has long been that individual unicode characters (outside the private use area) are plausible search terms - every time the evidence of page views etc is presented it's clear that people do look up these characters on Wikipedia (and frankly why wouldn't they?). There is no disagreement that when there is a single reasonable target the characters should redirect to that. The disagreement here is over whether there is a reasonable target or not. The other type of disagreement about single characters are over (1) which of multiple reasonable targets is best; and (2) whether a red link/search results are better than (one or more) target(s) that are alright but not great. Thryduulf (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:55, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Do not close prematurely. The example currently used in Wiktionary does not make any sense and is not attested anywhere; likely just a (misguided) attempt to apply the name "between" literally. See wikt:Wiktionary:Tea room/2022/May#≬. Right now, it seems that we are redirecting to a page that consists of nothing but the Unicode character name and unverifiable, likely factual errors; I'm not comfortable having the discussion end before a conclusion on what the symbol actually means (if it does mean anything standard). eviolite (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Template:Absatz
- Template:Absatz → Template:Clear (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This template name is written in German, I don't think this is necessary. Q28 (talk) 03:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I created it explicitly because it was needed, by someone copying a German article to the English Wikipedia. It should probably be made into a subst-only template that is converted by a bot to {{clear}}, following the model of {{Kaynakça}} and {{각주}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep. It's actually in use and if it's useful for transwikying then there is no reason not to keep it. SpinningSpark 11:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Replace with a substitution only wrapper. I am going to take Jonesey95's word that this is useful for translating articles and should be kept in some form, but I think this would work better as a wrapper template than a redirect. In my opinion templates on the English Wikipedia should use English language names that are recognisable to the majority of editors - if you were editing an article and came across {{Absatz}} I don't think it would be obvious what the template was. Having a bot replace them with english wikipedia equivalents seems like a good compromise. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or make into a substitution only wrapper. At no point should a template with a non-English name or a template with non-English parameter names be used in pages. Editors shouldn't need to guess or investigate what a template does. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Terry Pearce
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 3#Terry Pearce
Diphosphorus trisulfide
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Wikipedia:Hs
WinPhone
AMD Athlon XP 3200+
St. Rose of Lima Parish in Chula Vista
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May 22
New Tretyakov Gallery
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African Star Treaty Alliance Group
INLA
Doctors (2016 TV series)
I wanna die
- I wanna die → List of suicide crisis lines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Noble idea, but this is an unlikely search term. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- I want to say keep because it is doing no harm. It does probably violate a rule, but unless there seems like there would be a more suitable target it's a cheap redirect and I'll just invoke IAR because my argument is not policy based. TartarTorte 01:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
DeleteWeak delete. I see the good spirit in it, but it's not a title or subject match, and is essentially an Easter egg. Steel1943 (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)- Changed to "weak delete" since yeah, I definitely understand the WP:IAR reason to "keep" per everyone who has participated thus far, but it still has the non-encyclopedic issues I mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, for what it's worth, WP:SUICIDE redirects to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm, which includes a link to meta:Mental health resources. If this redirect is not deleted, we may want to consider redirecting readers to a page that is not an article so it seems more "official", such as one of the two aforementioned pages. Steel1943 (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Changed to "weak delete" since yeah, I definitely understand the WP:IAR reason to "keep" per everyone who has participated thus far, but it still has the non-encyclopedic issues I mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:IAR to save redirect which may help in suicide prevention.--06:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaranoFan (talk • contribs)
- Keep. There is a slight chance this redirect could help someone and I can't find anything when searching that this would be in the way of. So what we have is a redirect that at worst is harmless and at best could save a life. Given that, I cannot see any justification for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - While a noble effort, i believe that this is an unlikely search term, as shown by the two pageviews and the Google trends — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeartGlow30797 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR. I agree that we are building an encyclopedia but if there's a life on the line then I think we can temporarily ignore that. --Lenticel (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while definitely well-intentioned, there is little to no chance of anybody searching for this phrase when looking for phone numbers, and trying to use WP:IAR as a basis for keeping is frankly just a cheap cop-out. It's not beneifical at all and makes no sense to have redirects whose title cannot even be found within the target page (and I cannot think of a plausible place to implement it). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep, takes readers to the article they want/need to get to.— J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)- Strong Delete (or maybe disambiguate). Sorry, but I see a zero chance of someone trying to find a suicide hotline while typing this in. On the other hand, there are a few minor references of this phrase so search results would be better here (eg: Heavy Heavy Low Low, You'll Never Tame Me, Tales from Wyoming, 60 Second Wipe Out). I'd be open to disambiguating, but it'd be a bit too trivial for my tastes. -- Tavix (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep / retarget to something like Wikipedia:Responding_to_threats_of_harm - see WP:SUICIDE for a precedent. ObsidianPotato (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm, where readers would benefit from the information that this page provides, in case they do find themselves in need of seeking professional help. CycloneYoris talk! 08:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: too vague (e.g. title of numerous songs). Veverve (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The target is not the encyclopedic topic for this expression. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR as above - does no harm. Hentheden (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Don't keep the scientific jury is still out on whether crisis hotlines are effective are helpful at all; while well-intentioned, the current target is non-neutral and could come off as condescending. Deleting would be fine IMO, as would the retargeting suggestions. I could also see this being a crude but plausible attempt by a reader to find thee article for Suicide, so that can be considered as a possible target as well. signed, Rosguill talk 22:52, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Rosguill. I don't believe a CNR is helpful in this instance, as that info page is geared towards editors rather than readers – probably not helpful for readers to contact WMF or admins. eviolite (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment although I supported for keeping the target, I'm also fine with retargetting to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm. --Lenticel (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify. There are several articles that might see this useful as a dab page, including I Wanna Die in Los Angeles, Spawn (1997 film)#Soundtrack (which contains the song "No Remorse (I Wanna Die)"), and Reverence (song) (which infamously uses the phrase). I would think it fully appropriate to include a hatnote in the dab for WP:IAR reasons, but I think that the current hard redirect runs into WP:ASTONISH issues and wouldn't be significantly more effective at getting people to click on the suicide hotlines page than having the text in a hatnote on a dab page. — Mhawk10 (talk) 04:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. In the event someone is contemplating dying, this would actually be a useful redirect as although they might not be looking for this page exactly, it would indeed be helpful, just not in the "traditional" sense of Wikipedia. Case in point, WP:EMERGENCY provides a mental health resource link if the person on the page is in the same situation I described earlier. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hate to add another proposal here, but I think it could be a good compromise. Rosguill points out that Suicide is a plausible target here. That article has, by special community override in 2019 of WP:NODISCLAIMERS and MOS:HATNOTE, a hatnote link to Suicide prevention. In other words, retargeting to Suicide would still satisfy the core of what the keep side wants here, without some of the identified downsides of directing people to a particular kind of resource. As such, I suggest we retarget to Suicide. I'll note that, like Tavix, I see the potential DAB targets as not meriting a DAB here. But the same logic of this retarget suggestion could be applied to a DAB, just having its lede sentence be "I wanna die is a phrase often associated with desire to commit suicide, or even copying the hatnote from the suicide article (which also appears at Suicide methods). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: WP:INVOLVED relist as to allow the April 25th log page to be closed.
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- Disambiguate - This is a tough case. I'd prefer that, as stated above, we create a disguambiguation page, particularly since there's a semi-notable song with this title. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of any other acceptable solution; the disamguation page does not work since every entry is either a PTM or does not mention the phrase and I don't find the IAR argument for keeping to be convincing. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Special military operation
Googl
Real vampires
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 30#Real vampires
Dendrobaena veneta
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May 19
Colombian panda
Greater Pakistan
1959–60 Milwaukee Cardinals men's basketball team
BoXed in (disambiguation)
Idclip
Greatest integer
Yevrey
History of institutions
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Middle length staff
😕
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 2 § Emoticon or Emoji? – provisionally retarget to Emoji without prejudice against retargeting to an article about the specific concept represented
It seems clear to me that this emoji does not represent confusion but disconfort or being upset. Therefore, the redirect should either a) be retargetted to Comfort as it is the same place where Discomfort leads and also because "uncomfortable" and "discomfort" are in bold in the lede, b) be retargeted to the Wiktionary entry 'upset', or c) be deleted if no good redirect is found. Veverve (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just noting that "Confused face" is the official Unicode name for this. See [15]. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know who gave it this name, but this face does not look confused to me. Emojis (see the table at Emoji#Unicode blocks) seem to redirect to what they represent, not to the name given to them (WP:SURPRISE). Veverve (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Just to make sure my comment has a clear !vote associated with it. I'll also repeat what I said in a few other emoji related RfDs - deletion should never be a valid option. Gonnym (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As Gonnym said, this is the confused face emoji, and will appear differently depending on a user's platform. Its current target is consistent with how we treat similar emojis.- Eureka Lott 15:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. "Confused face" is closest to Confusion. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget or Delete - I agree with the nomination - on many devices, this makes little sense without further context or explanation. Sergecross73 msg me 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as it's officially known as "confused face" so the current target appears suitable. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment/query. While WP:UCRN is about article titles and not about redirects, I think the spirit of that policy is relevant here. In other words, just as we don't choose article titles based on "official names" of things, we shouldn't redirect emojis based on their "official names" but rather (1) based on how they're actually used, and (2) what's most likely to be of use to the reader. The problem is, I have no idea how this is actually used or what readers who search for emojis on Wikipedia are looking for. @Veverve: when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others? The latter would be a good case for retargeting, especially if examples can be found; the former not so much. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others?
: I would say yes to both. However, I found no Pew Research Center study on how this emoji was perceived, so the way I saw this emoji being used remains an anecdotal evidence. - None of the RSs discussing it are of any help:
- Dictionary.com states the emoji "expresses confusion but also a range of other emotions, including bafflement, displeasure, disappointment, mild sadness, and self-pity. All of that can be earnest … or it can be ironic, you decide."
- The Reader's Digest states: "We were surprised to find out that this emoji is called 'confused face,' but on further reflection, it does have an aura of bewilderment."
- Veverve (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Veverve. The fact we're bound to rely on anecdotal evidence here makes me lean towards deleting, but I'll wait and see if anyone else can offer any clarity. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
- As with @Arms & Hearts:, I am definitely sympathetic to the idea that it should perhaps reflect the most common meaning rather than just a redirect based on the name. However, if we don't have a single obvious meaning, perhaps a short disambig page would be practical? "😕 ("confused face") is an emoji which has multiple meanings, and may be used to refer to: confusion ; disappointment; sadness..."
- This would let us cope with the moderately ambiguous ones which don't rise to the level of needing a full article like 😂, and it avoids giving a strange result for the readers who do think it means confusion. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - how this appears in different font schemes is irrelevant. Unicode defines characters so that they have a universal set meaning upon investigation. That definition is generally what we follow; WP:EMOJI. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as the intended meaning. Do not disambiguate as such a page would be predicated entirely on original research. eviolite (talk) 11:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Arguments for keeping boil down to "it's the official name", which I find unconvincing for reasons laid out above, and I don't see any significant harm in deleting. Deleting also seems much more closely aligned with WP:EMOJI, which says redirects from emojis
are often kept if the character has a clear and definite meaning ... The outcome is usually deletion if the glyph is unclear
. There's no alternative target that would be obviously preferable to the current target, and I agree with Eviolite that a disambiguation page wouldn't be appropriate (so keeping would be my second choice). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC) - The current redirect isn't very useful. Despite its official name, it doesn't look very much like a confused face in my browser. Moreover, by landing at Confusion, the reader isn't keyed in on the fact that it even has an official meaning -- the redirection feels like an OR choice by a random editor. Unfortunately, by deleting the redirect we fail to provide even that information. This case would be best served by some kind of list of emojis, or a soft redirect to wikt:😕. Daß Wölf 23:47, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while the official name may be confusion, the expressions it is actually used for are much broader. signed, Rosguill talk 06:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to Wiktionary wikt:😕, where readers can identify the emoji's official name. CycloneYoris talk! 23:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Can't see how this is useful. Segaton (talk) 17:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Pseudonorm
Content filtering - Spam
Extreme heat
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Extreme cold
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Extreme porn
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Functional analyst
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Hurricane Horntails
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Legalisation of illegal drugs
Hölder conjugates
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May 16
Social unit
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List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II
Settings in Battlestar Galatica
- Sagittaron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron(planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tauron (Battlestar Galactica) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aerelon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Canceron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virgon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Picon (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (fictional planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Libran → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Various planets and/or settings in the Battlestar Galatica universe that are not mentioned in the target article. It seems they all were previously redirects towards the former article Twelve Colonies, but there was consensus to redirect it to Battlestar Galatica per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Colonies (2nd nomination). At this point, without mention in the target article, readers attempting to locate specific information about the subjects of these redirects will be left with virtually nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "Sagittaron(planet)" incorrect disambiguation format -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Aerelon", "Virgon", "Tauron", "Sagittaron", "Gemenon" to Dirty Hands (Battlestar Galactica) where it is mentioned. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Picon" to Battlestar Galactica: The Plan where it is mentioned -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Convert "Libran" to a disambiguation page, there are people by this name with articles. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There has been only one participant, and some entries have not been covered.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete almost all. These are very minor settings, and the proposed targets for some of them don't give enough information to warrant redirects. There's a bit of an WP:XY issue as well: for Gemenon, why Dirty Heads and not Flesh and Bone (Battlestar Galactica), Number Six (Battlestar Galactica), Caprica, Leoben Conoy, or Kara Thrace? Libran is a different situation and I have drafted a name index below the redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 20:49, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per Rosguill (talk · contribs) as acceptable default, except for disambiguating Libran, but especially the one with the malformatted disambiguator. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:15, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Erik Young
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Αγήνωρ
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Cosmic Evolution
North East Indian cuisine
🐱🚀
- 🐱🚀 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱🐉 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱🏍 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱💻 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱👓 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱👤 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I stumbled upon this confusing set of redirects today for some reason, and I fail to understand why these emojis were placed together or if they have anything in common (i.e. What does a cat have in common with a rocket?). I then searched the target for clues, but it doesn't seem to provide any information on why these redirects were created. Deletion seems to be the only way to go here, unless someone finds a better target than the current one, which needless to say is completely unhelpful. CycloneYoris talk! 23:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. You might not have an updated browser if you can't see these correctly. There is zero reason to delete valid emojis. These emojis were created by Microsoft and had notable coverage. See [16], [17], etc. Gonnym (talk) 01:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: My browser is certainly updated, and all I can see are two separate emojis: A cat and another random object. Maybe these don't work if you're on iOS? CycloneYoris talk! 01:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to say we should retarget the astro cat emoji to Félicette, but that probably wouldn't be helpful. All of these are examples of emoji ZWJ sequences, but that's (obviously) a redlink. They're Windows-only emoji and were introduced in Windows 10 version 1607, which might be the best target for now. That article mentions emoji updates, but not these specifically. - Eureka Lott 02:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think that Emoji#Joining might be an appropriate retarget as it's close to Emoji ZWJ sequences. TartarTorte 19:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: @CycloneYoris: this RfD and this discussion may be relevant. Veverve (talk) 10:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here's why I made these redirects: It may not look it, but these are actually valid emojis. On your screen, they may look like two random emojis, but on some platforms, they're actually a single emoji combined together by a Zero Width Joiner. Take this: 👁️🗨️. It may look like one Emoji, but it's actually a merger of these two emoji with a ZWJ in between: 👁🗨. Pacingpal (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also 🕵️ which redirects to Detective for some reason, this was at RfD before. Naleksuh (talk) 01:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 17:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Emoji#Joining: Per Eureka Lott suggestion of Emoji ZWJ sequences and that these are in fact ZWJ'd emoji, it makes sense to retarget to Emoji#joinining unless someone were to create the red-linked article, in which case I would advocate a retarget to there. TartarTorte 19:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retargeting an emoji to Emoji is only marginally more useful than redirecting a single letter to Letter (alphabet). A subtopic like Emoji#Joining is a different matter. --BDD (talk) 01:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Emoji#Joining where I have added the necessary information on Ninja Cat. -- Tavix (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Sarbhangi
Allegheny County
Young Kindaichi’s Casebook
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Diphosphorus trisulfide
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SLAY
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Palindromes.
Epitipe
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Letter of protest
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MOS:PSEUDOCODE
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Park Jimin (musician)/junk
200-gon
Nonadecagram
Enneagram of Process
Heteropalindrome
Semordnilap
May 1
Spit kingdom
Bob Vylan
N.A.A.M. Brigade
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Sister Isle
Several redirects to Gold as an investment
Urban division
File:Kathputli (1971 film).jpg
Joe D. Foster
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Red Line (MNRR New Canaan Branch)
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Blue Line (Staten Island Railway)
Chakwood
Chernihiv breadline massacre
2022 Chernihiv breadline massacre
164th Division (1st Formation)(People's Republic of China)
Mana (Anglo-Saxon)
La Nueva
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G.I. Jane II
Kav Kav
Stopid
Inbound marketing
Supreme Leader of Myanmar
Wikipedia:S
- Wikipedia:S → Help:Searching (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources, which is possibly the most important resource for newcomer content writers. Currently, WP:S is basically unused, way under the shadow of the main shortcut H:S. Excessive numbers of shortcuts defeat the benefit of shortcuts.
In contrast, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources is probably the most important, undervalued section in the whole of the project for new content writers, and it has shortcuts that are hard to remember. This would be a much better use for WP:S.
If this is not shot down for a reason I don't expect, I will advertise this discussion on the relevant pages. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to disambiguation page. A section of a subpage is too specialized for a one-letter shortcut. WP:S could mean a lot things and a cross-namespace redirect to Help:Searching is not the most natural. WP:S has a lot of incoming links but nearly all of them are from alphabetical lists of all one-letter WP shortcuts without saying where they go, so changing it doesn't break those uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Making a disambiguation page out of something that is essentially never used is just silly. Is the aim to make sure that such a high value shortcut remains unused?
- A section of of a subpage may sound "specialised", but this is part of the point. It is not "specialised" but centrally important to the most basic editor function on the project, writing content. This section, currently WP:RSPSS, is way out of balance in terms of how important it is to the prominence of its location. A single-character shortcut may be sufficient to fix that, and will certainly help. I considered suggesting WP:RSPSS be spun out to its own page, but decided against this, because, despite its standalone usefulness to content writing, its maintenance is extremely detailed and it should be boldly edited by newcomers without reading the extensive context present above.
- WP:S could mean a lot of things, but current doesn't. And what better meaning to give it than Sources for content? -- SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we pick a Sources target then it should be the same as WP:SOURCE and WP:SOURCES, meaning Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources. I'm fine with that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I had looked at that and gave it some thought. In terms of Policy, WP:SOURCES is the root of policy on sources, but it is extremely limited to policy-wonk-thought, and it is not very good, notably in how it fails to adequately cross reference WP:PSTS (Primary, secondary and tertiary sources). Limited to Policy theory that is not immediately practical. It is a partial blurb on the theory that undies the source rules. In contrast, WP:RSPSS is the end result list that edits should consult.
- The shortcuts are not meant to be a content guide, but quick reference memorable shortcuts. Editors on the ground do not a quicker reference to the non-practical section of WP:V. They need it to get to the sources cheat sheet, WP:RSPSS.
- Also, having multiple catchy shortcuts pointing to the same thing is another waste of catchy shortcuts. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we pick a Sources target then it should be the same as WP:SOURCE and WP:SOURCES, meaning Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources. I'm fine with that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep since this redirect has targeted the current page (or a redirect towards it leftover from page moves) since 2007. At this point, due to targeting the current page for about 15 years, there's too much potential for links in edit summaries to be broken in the event the redirect is retargeted. If necessary to disambiguate "S", Wikipedia:S (disambiguation) could be created, but that may be overkill; it may be better to just add a hatnote for 1–2 other possibilities that "WP:S" could refer to, and call it a day. Steel1943 (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- While I could not check ancient edit summaries, I did check many incoming links, and they are basically all junk. This shortcut was made without much thought, and never given any use. More than half seemed to be complete mistakes. If a future wikiarcheologist (like me) wants to discover what was going on with an odd talk page pipe, then it will be facilitated by the edit to the redirect including a link to this discussion. Archaeology doesn't mean "preserve everything", it is good enough to keep records.
- Putting a hatnote on pages that WP:S could point to, or has ever pointed to, is completely nutty if you note the pageviews. Nobody uses WP:S. Hatnotes make clutter in the prime real estate of the page. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- disambiguate per Prime Hunter -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per Steel1943 and Do not disambiguate as that makes the shortcut useless for everybody. I've spot-checked a number of the incoming links and they either refer to the current target, WP:SOURCE (which is not the proposed target) or are part of a list. Thryduulf (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Thryduulf. Agree, "Disambiguate" makes it useless for everybody, but "Keep" keeps it useless for everybody (a never used redundant option to the better H:S)
- I spot checked many incoming links, and many are mistakes, many are to an old ~2007 target, and all are unimportant. There basically never was any editing where people had a reason to write the wikilink WP:S as a shortcut to the help page for searching, it was silly then, and has been silly for many years. There are certainly far far more mistaken incoming links than intended proper uses (I found none).
- What is your desired outcome? That WP:S is forever junk? SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - the existing incoming links suggest that the current target is not particularly useful. signed, Rosguill talk 22:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate (draft available below the redirect). I've checked about a dozen incoming links: a third of them seemed to intend WP:SOURCE, a few were for Help:Search and the rest were for either WP:Summary style or WP:Synthesis. Definitely no prospect for a suitable target here. As for the objection that dabifying will make the shortcut useless for everybody: whatever target is otherwise chosen, the majority of uses will be wrong, and that's worse than being simply useless. SmokeyJoe, for the list of perennial sources, won't it make more sense to instead usurp WP:LPS or WP:PSL, or use WP:S/P (for Sources/perennial)? – Uanfala (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Uanfala, the point about draftifing making it useless for everyone is that it keeps it useless, as in "unused". No one will benefit a disambiguation because no one uses it. Of the incoming links that you checked, did you note how old they were, and where they were coming from? From around 2007, and from fairly confused talk threads, which I think was mostly because WP:S was never a recommended shortcut for anything, and the only uses it got were from people being careless. I checked a lot more than a dozen.
- It is currently available with no modern baggage. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here are all the existing uses where the shortcuts is piped [19] and where it's used on its own [20]. – Uanfala (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources because I like the idea of syncing it up with WP:SOURCES. I agree with Rosguill that the current target is not particularly useful, but I also agree with Thryduulf that disambiguating at this title would make it useless for everybody because it would no longer function as a shortcut. I do like Steel1943's idea of creating Wikipedia:S (disambiguation) which would catch the incorrect linkages and those who guess wrong. -- Tavix (talk) 01:35, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Tavix, Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources already has WP:SOURCES, and that section is not particularly useful, unlike my proposed target, which is very useful, should be used by every newcomer, and lacks a good shortcut. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, don't retagret as that will mean links for searching in discussion pages will end up at the wrong place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 00:53, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Strong keep - Projectspace shortcuts are ambiguous by their very nature. This long-standing single letter redirect should not be tampered with through retargeting or made to lose its function through disambiguating. This shortcut has pointed to content regarding searching since c. 2007. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. Probably the most common search term. The others don't seem that common. interstatefive (talk) - just another roadgeek 23:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus
April 26
中文
Template:Kashmir Premier League
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Otto von Nostitz
Santo Sepulcro
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List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II
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Live entertainment
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Draft:GeorgeNotFound
The Wonder of Wigtown Wanderers
Ukraine-Russia border crisis
L̥̄
Ḹ
Dot and Dash
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Joseph Stalins's religious views
- Joseph Stalins's religious views → Joseph Stalin#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Joseph Stalin and religion → Joseph Stalin#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The section which this redirect targets doesn't exist. Upon reviewing the target page, there the word "religion" occurs once, and it's location doesn't seem to contain enough distinct information to rationalize the existence of this redirect; in other words, readers looking up this term are not going to find the information they are trying to find. Steel1943 (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Seems as though there was content at this titles submitted for WP:AFD via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Stalins's religious views in 2015. Looks like the discussion was closed to "keep", even though at the time, the article consisted of one sentence? Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article had an entire (unsourced) paragraph upon creation [21]. – Uanfala (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 18:37, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The target has some relevant content (though no in a neatly delimited section): there's a paragraph about young Joseph's life at the seminary and how he became an atheist, and then a few sentences about his anti-religious policies as a leader. The redirects aren't terribly useful, but I don't think they're particularly bad either. I'm not sure to what an extent we should be bound by the outcome of the 2015 AfD: the article material was minimal, and the outcome of the AfD was effectively abandoned when immediately after the close someone turned the page into a redirect, without apparently anyone objecting. I guess it's also possible to re-create an article by splitting out the former section [22], but I don't think that's the optimal solution. – Uanfala (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 19:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I've been on the fence on this one for a while, but now I land here after reading the AfD and seeing the arguments that this is a notable topic. Deleting these redirects would clear the way for an actual article on this topic (
Joseph Stalin was an atheist[citation needed].
does not count). -- Tavix (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC) - Delete - while it's plausible that a valid section on Stalin's religious views could be added to the target, or as part of the Political ideology section, there really isn't anything at the target that would satisfy a reader searching for this phrase. signed, Rosguill talk 20:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both, the redirects don't help the reader. If there is sufficient content as claimed in the AfD, an article can be recreated under any of these titles. Jay (talk) 13:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Apostolic Catholic Church
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Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands
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Francisco Gómez Jordana
Kurdification of Yazidis
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Settings in Battlestar Galatica
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Wonthaggi Human Powered Grand Prix
Albury, Ontario
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