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Your recent editing history at List of cryptids shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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I suggest you stop now before you are banned.Slatersteven (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Your removal of valid categories
Why are you removing articles from valid categories? DuncanHill (talk) 21:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- I haven't been removing articles from valid categories. Granted, I have been trying to clean up the taxonomic felid categories (mostly consisting of genera, species, and redirects), so I have been editing categories left and right. Once I get done, I think it will look a whole lot better, and make more sense. Sorry if it is messing people up.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:54, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Please stop removing valid categories and replacing them with their super-categories.--Mr Fink (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- (e/c)Here, here, and here for example. You removed articles from the categories named after them. DuncanHill (talk) 22:01, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, those. In those cases, I edited the categories to show that those were the main article, then placed in the larger Category:Felines, which I believe should contain the articles about the genera within that tribe. The categories I removed them from, are for the species within each genus. Does that make sense?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- To explain better: Category:Felines contains articles about genera in that tribe, as well as a few species' articles whose genus is too small to warrant a category. The subcategories within Category:Felines, which are divided by genus, contain articles about the species and subspecies within that genus.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, you MUST NOT remove these categories again once other editors have restored them. If you stil believe they should be removed then it is up to you to start a discussion on the articles pages according t WP:BRD and seek consensus there. DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, but please do not remove those articles from the category I placed them in, either.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- No - not when that would go against WP:SUBCAT. I see that at Acinonyx, for example, your edits have been reverted by 3 different editors - that's wasting other editors time. DexDor (talk) 06:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay, but please do not remove those articles from the category I placed them in, either.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, you MUST NOT remove these categories again once other editors have restored them. If you stil believe they should be removed then it is up to you to start a discussion on the articles pages according t WP:BRD and seek consensus there. DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- You have also removed a lot of articles about human–tiger interaction from Category:Tigers. I cannot see how it is helpful for articles such as Tiger conservation and Tiger hunting to be excluded altogether from the hierarchy Category:Tigers. You seem to be removing every article that is not a direct example of the category name; but that is not how categories work in English Wikipedia – we allow somewhat oblique connections, where it will facilitate navigating between articles on related topics.
- I am tempted to do a mass rollback on some of your contributions here [1] but perhaps the best way forward would be for you to create Category:Tigers and humans, Category:Lions and humans etc, as sub-categories of Category:Mammals and humans and Category:Tigers etc, and populate them with the articles that you removed.
- If there are similar cases where there is not enough content to justify a separate category, please reinstate the relevant category that you removed.
- If a new intermediate Category:Felids and humans might be useful, please include Category:Felids in art in it. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- I see that you are still editing, but choosing not to reply. Moreover, you are still removing valid and useful categories from articles about related topics.
- Let me try to explain things another way. Some categories in Wikipedia are "set categories", which should only contain members of a set (see WP:SETCAT). If there was a "Category:Panthera species", then the articles held directly within it should generally only be articles about a Panthera species, or lists of such species. However, other categories in English Wikipedia are "topic categories", and these validly include broader material that is related to the topic.
- You seem to be treating all Felid categories as set categories, where they have been validly used as topic categories. Please desist from removing useful content from such categories. If you persist, especially if you choose not to discuss your actions, it looks very much like WP:Disruptive editing, for which there are various sanctions.
- Stop. Think. Talk.
- – Fayenatic London 08:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay... I am thinking, the use of taxonomic nomenclature indicates that the subcategories and articles within a category should be about species/subspecies/genera/etc. The Felinae category seems to follow this, so why shouldn't Pantherinae?
- I am sorry for not talking more- explaining myself is not something I'm good at, and past experiences have put me off it. And I know that I have a tendency to try and organize things. Would creating a new category such as Category:Felids and humans, and placing the categories I'm removing in that (with more organization) help? I'd like to resolve this; I am planning on sorting the Cat:Felids by region next. And doing something about the surfeit of jaguar redirects.
- Again, sorry for being disruptive, rude, etc.; I am just trying to help but acknowledge that I am not very experienced. Your patient advice and warnings are appreciated.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 12:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. Yes please! Although I suggested Category:Felids and humans with sub-cats, there is an older Category:Feliforms in popular culture, with non-felid content, so perhaps Feliforms would be the most useful level to set up. – Fayenatic London 14:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- One of the problems with the categorization as it is, is that it is so confusing. I went to the cat:Panthera expecting a list of species and subspecies, and found articles on all sorts of things as well. Very confusing. Ideally, it would be possible to create or move appropriate categories to cat:Felids and humans. It will take awhile though, so please be patient while I work it out, because I am sure it will be very messy for a bit.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- Topic categories are not so confusing once you have browsed them for a while, and you realise that they can be useful even despite being more diverse than "pure" set categories. As for patience, OK, but if you find that things are taking even longer than you thought, please put things back where they were until you get round to creating the new more specific categories. At the moment the only place to work from (to find unlinked related articles) is your recent contributions. – Fayenatic London 19:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- Huh? I have just been moving articles around- if it was in cat:Panthera, and I removed it, chances are it is now in cat:Felids and humans somewhere.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:43, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
- Topic categories are not so confusing once you have browsed them for a while, and you realise that they can be useful even despite being more diverse than "pure" set categories. As for patience, OK, but if you find that things are taking even longer than you thought, please put things back where they were until you get round to creating the new more specific categories. At the moment the only place to work from (to find unlinked related articles) is your recent contributions. – Fayenatic London 19:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Misuse of "minor edit" flag
According to Help:Minor edit you MUST NOT mark as minor edits "Adding or removing references, external links, or categories in an article". DuncanHill (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- I am so sorry. I won't do it again.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Edit summaries
It would be helpful to other editors if you made edit summaries when editing articles. As that page says
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DuncanHill (talk) 22:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Okay. I will. I am somewhat new to Wikipedia, so I'm still trying to learn. I thought that cleaning up the Felidae categories would be relatively harmless if I messed up, and it is something I have expertise in.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:29, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Have you had a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mammals and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats yet? You'll find other editors with similar interests there, and be able to talk to them about your ideas for improvements, as well as getting help and advice if you run into difficulties. It's also well worth having a look at article talk pages, to see the sort of discussions that have taken place in the past. There is also a Wikiproject specifically about Categorisation, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Categories which you might find interesting.
- Wikipedia can be confusing at first, but there are people who will try to help if you ask. DuncanHill (talk) 22:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am knowledgeable about cats, and am fond of organization. I have now moved on to dealing with a remarkable number of useless-seeming jaguar redirects. Could I nominate those for deletion?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- You could, but have a read of WP:REDIRECT first. It has a section "When should we delete a redirect?" which is particularly relevant. In practice redirects are often not deleted - they often arise from common typos or may be a result of a page being moved. It's a good idea to look at incoming links to a redirect (or any other page) before nominating for deletion, as this will give you an idea of how used it is. I'll also mention WP:NOTBROKEN ("Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken"), there are often good reasons that an article uses a link via a redirect rather than using the actual article name. DuncanHill (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Right now, it looks like there used to be a bunch of subspecies, and someone created a bunch of articles on them, only for all those articles to be merged into two articles. And the redirects aren't the useful kind, either. But I'll be sure to read those policies and take the necessary steps. Thanks.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:55, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- You could, but have a read of WP:REDIRECT first. It has a section "When should we delete a redirect?" which is particularly relevant. In practice redirects are often not deleted - they often arise from common typos or may be a result of a page being moved. It's a good idea to look at incoming links to a redirect (or any other page) before nominating for deletion, as this will give you an idea of how used it is. I'll also mention WP:NOTBROKEN ("Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken"), there are often good reasons that an article uses a link via a redirect rather than using the actual article name. DuncanHill (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. I am knowledgeable about cats, and am fond of organization. I have now moved on to dealing with a remarkable number of useless-seeming jaguar redirects. Could I nominate those for deletion?--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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Catagories
I noticed that you have been removing what appears to me to be legitimate categories from prehistoric cat articles. Specifically I'm curious why you're taking out the discovered in categories such as [2] this seems valid and the catagory you replaced it with does not convey the same information. I see above that you've already had an extensive discussion about this. Cheers. Crazynas t 17:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- For the series of edits you have noticed, those articles are actually redirects to other articles. When I was checking the cat:Feline stubs, I noticed a series of redirects in it. Those redirects are all invalid subspecies, that were apparently redirected to the valid subspecies without being merged. My removal of categories was an attempt to begin merging them. Also, if I understand correctly, the "Mammals described in..." categories are meant for species, not subspecies.
- As for the above discussions concerning my categorization edits, that was a rather different issue(s), and was resolved successfully.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:49, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't notice that small redirected from at the top of the page, my apologies. So I think if you make one edit to blank the page except for the redirect and then get what you need for the merge out of history it won't look as weird. I got here because your edits popped up on WP:STiki. And my above mention was just noting that I noticed you had talked about categories (in general, if you haven't noticed can be a touchy subject here) before. Cheers. Crazynas t
- Oh, my. I didn't realize that my edits popped up as possible vandalism. And yes, if just looking at the diff, then the redirect is rather hard to spot.
- Sorry if I came off as defensive about the above discussions. I was rather miffed that you jumped to conclusions about that, especially since that discussion ended up as much advice for a beginner, as admonition. With a successful conclusion that is still in place, no less.
- Still, all's forgiven.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:57, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Category removal
Hi, in edits such as this you are removing the geographical categories from a page. Can you explain what your reasoning is for this (e.g. with links to any relevant wikiproject guidance/discussion)? DexDor (talk) 21:23, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- I removed those geographical categories because they are already present on the species page I think; and I am meaning to expand the sandcat ssp. pages; also to merge scheffeli and harrisoni into F. m. thinobia per the latest assessment.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- Edit: part of it is that those edits came on the tail end of a series of edits that were blanking a number of redirect pages, including removing the categories.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:45, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
the lion mergers
Hi SilverTiger12: please have a brief look at these earlier versions of the two probable merger pages: 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panthera_leo_melanochaita&oldid=860922252 and 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panthera_leo_leo&oldid=861740256 >> if we consent to use these as entry points for merging, then it'll be just a matter of moving a few paragraphs from the other pages. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:17, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- I took a look. Those are nice, but I'm not sure that starting from scratch wouldn't be better (more work, but better flow of words). Also, using those as entry point would mean reverting what has happened in the intervening edits.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:22, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
- Whether they are nice or not, doesn't matter. But more so that these are essentially mergers already, the 1) of Southern and East African lion, and the 2) of West and Central African lion pages. Flow of words can be adjusted, would be much easier than starting from point 0. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm Kb03. I noticed that you recently removed content from Feral cat without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Kb03 (talk) 16:41, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry. I was in the middle of something, and I am not the best at remembering to add an edit summary at the best of times. The content I removed was transferred to African wildcat (a more relevant page).--SilverTiger12 (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
New Rfc of List of cryptids
Since you participated in the rfc earlier in the year, I am letting you know of another rfc to merge List of cryptids. Which ever way the wind blows you are welcome to join in. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Binomials
Binomials are italicized, on WP as elsewhere, so this was the opposite of "cleanup". See MOS:LIFE, MOS:ITALICS, MOS:ORGANISMS. If you've removed italicized binomials from other infoboxes and {{Italic title}}
from articles with similar names, that needs to be undone. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 17:24, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought that without a |name= parameter, the title would automatically italicize. Whoops.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Cat-egories
Hi. Please stop undoing many of the links in the cats categories, they have been stable and long-term category links and to change these would take a multi-editor discussion at one of the main cat pages. Please create a discussion if you've like at one of those and please give me a ping. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:58, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, they are stable and long-term. I do not appreciate your repeated changes to those categories, which you have been doing without editor discussion. I got consensus for how they were, please stop changing them.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 13:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- What consensus? Please bring it to the Cat talk page. Tigers are cats. Lions are cats. There is nothing wrong with linking the category, say 'Tigers in popular culture' with category 'Tigers'. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- I added a new section on the Cat talk page, "Category usage". Please take this discussion there. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- The consensus I obtained when I first cleaned up the various felid categories. After my clean-up, they stayed stable for quite awhile until you started trying to change them.
- However, I am sorry my first reply sounds so combative/hostile. I have put a lot of effort into maintaining those categories, and your sudden changes were basically undoing my hard work.
- To explain some things:
- The category :Cats is currently more of a wastebasket category, but is generally meant for articles pertaining to domestic cats. The categories :Lions, :Tigers, etc., do not belong there.
- The categories under :Panthera are all focused on the actual species- those are more scientific-focused. If the article pertains to the actual species, that is where it goes.
- Anything not pertaining to the actual species goes somewhere under :Felids and humans. This is a work in progress.
- I hope this helps.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- Edit: The "Cat" articles talkpage is not the appropriate venue for discussing this issue.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's tedious to keep reverting and discussing what, probably, seems obvious to both of us but from differing viewpoints. Cats isn't a wastebasket category, whatever that is. It is about cats. Lions, tigers, leopards, domestic cats, etc. These can be listed in both felid and cat categories to cover readers who look up either term - and most by far will be looking in the cats category for 'cats'. I've added to the Cat discussion, and asked for comments from other editors. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:22, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- For example. category:Lions in popular culture fits both category:Big cats in popular culture and category:Lions. How does it not fit category:Lions? Point of view I guess, but to me that seems like common sense, so please help me understand how it wouldn't fit from your point of view. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:50, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
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This month we're joined by Jts1882, who is active in depicting evolutionary relationship of taxa via cladograms. Part of this includes responding to cladogram requests, where interested editors can have cladograms made without using the templates themselves. How did you come to be interested in systematics? Are you interested in systematics broadly, or is there a particular group you're most fond of? As long as I can remember I’ve been interested in nature, starting with the animals and plants in the garden, school grounds, and local wood, and then more general wildlife worldwide. An interest in how things are classified grew from this. I like things to be organised and understanding the relationships between things and systems (not just living things) is a big part of that. Biology was always my favourite subject in school and took up a disproportionate part of my time. My interest in systematics is broad as I’d like to comprehend the whole tree of life, but the cat family is my favourite group. What's the background behind cladogram requests? I see that it isn't a very old part of the Tree of Life Well I can’t take any credit for the cladogram requests page, although I help out there sometimes. It was created by IJReid and there are several people who have helped there more than me. I think the motivation is that creating cladograms requires a knowledge of the templates that is daunting for many editors. It was one way of helping people who want to focus on content creation. My main contribution to the cladograms is converting the {{clade}} template to use a Lua module. The template code was extremely difficult to follow and had to be repetitive (I can only admire the efforts of those who got the thing to work in the first place). The conversion to Lua made it more efficient, allowed larger and deeper cladograms, plus facilitating the introduction of new features. The cladogram request page was recently the venue for discussion on making time calibrated cladograms, which is now possible, if not particularly user friendly. What advice do you have for an editor who wants to learn how to make cladograms? The same advice I would give to someone facing any computer problem, just try it out. Start by taking existing code for a cladogram and make changes yourself. The main advice would be to format it properly so indents match the brackets vertically. Of course, not everyone wants to learn and if someone prefers to focus on article content there is the cladogram request page.
Do you have any personal projects or goals you're working towards on Wikipedia? As I said I like organisation and systems. So I find efforts like the automated taxobox system and {{taxonbar}} appealing. I would like to see more reuse of the major phylogenetic trees on Wikipedia with more use of consensus trees on the higher taxa. Too often they get edited based on one recent report and/or without proper citation. Animals and bilateria are examples where this is a problem. Towards this I have been working on a system of phylogeny templates that can be reused flexibly. The {{Clade transclude}} template allows selective transclusion, so the phylogenetic trees on one page can be reused with modifications, i.e. can be pruned and grafted, used with or without images, with or without collapsible elements, etc. I have an example for the Angiosperm Phylogeny Group classification (see {{Phylogeny/APG IV}}) and one for squamates that also includes collapsible elements (see {{Phylogeny/Squamata}}). A second project is to have a modular reference system for taxonomic resources. I have made some progress along this lines with the {{BioRef}} template. This started off simply as a way of hardlinking to Catalog of Fishes pages and I’ve gradually expanded it to cover other groups (e..g. FishBase, AmphibiaWeb and Amphibian Species of the World, Reptile Database, the Mammalian Diversity Database). The modular nature is still rudimentary and needs a rewrite before it is ready for wider use. What would surprise your fellow editors to learn about your life off-Wikipedia? I don’t think there is anything particularly surprising or interesting about my life. I’ve had an academic career as a research scientist but I don't think anyone could guess the area from my Wikipedia edits. I prefer to work on areas where I am learning at the same time. This why I spend more time with neglected topics (e.g. mosses at the moment). I start reading and then find that I’m not getting the information I want. Anything else you'd like us to know? My interest in the classification of things goes beyond biology. I am fascinated by mediaeval attempts to classify knowledge, such as Bacon in his The Advancement of Learning and Diderot and d’Alembert in their Encyclopédie. They were trying to come up with a universal scheme of knowledge just as the printing press was allowing greater dissemination of knowledge. With the internet we are seeing a new revolution in knowledge dissemination. Just look at how we could read research papers on the COVID virus within weeks of its discovery. With an open internet, everyone has access, not just those with the luxury of books at home or good libraries. Sites like the Biodiversity Heritage Library allow you to read old scientific works without having to visit dusty university library stack rooms, while the taxonomic and checklist databases provide instant information on millions of living species. In principle, the whole world can now find out about anything, even if Douglas Adams warned we might be disinclined to do so. This is why I like Wikipedia, with all its warts, it’s a means of organising the knowledge on the internet. In just two decades it’s become a first stop for knowledge and hopefully a gateway to more specialised sources. Perhaps developing this latter aspect, beyond providing good sources for what we say, is the next challenge for Wikipedia. |
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Cross posted from the Signpost ![]() The jackalope, a close relative of Mustelodon On August 7, WikiProject Palaeontology member Rextron discovered a suspicious taxon article, Mustelodon, which was created in November 2005. The article lacked references and the subsequent discussion on WikiProject Palaeontology found that the alleged type locality (where the fossil was first discovered) of Lago Nandarajo "near the northern border of Panama" was nonexistent. In fact, Panama does not even really have a northern border, as it is bounded along the north by the Caribbean Sea. No other publications or databases mentioned Mustelodon, save a fleeting mention in a 2019 book that presumably followed Wikipedia, Felines of the World. The article also appeared in four other languages, Catalan, Spanish, Dutch, and Serbian. In Serbian Wikipedia, a note at the bottom of the page warned: "It is important to note here that there is no data on this genus in the official scientific literature, and all attached data on the genus Mustelodon on this page are taken from the English Wikipedia and are the only known data on this genus of mammals, so the validity of this genus is questionable." Editors took action to alert our counterparts on other projects, and these versions were removed also. As the editor who reached out to Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia, it was somewhat challenging to navigate these mostly foreign languages (I have a limited grasp of Spanish). I doubted that the article had very many watchers, so I knew I had to find some WikiProjects where I could post a machine translation advising of the hoax, and asking that users follow local protocols to remove the article. I was surprised to find, however, that Catalan Wikipedia does not tag articles for WikiProjects on talk pages, meaning I had to fumble around to find what I needed (turns out that WikiProjects are Viquiprojectes in Catalan!) Mustelodon remains on Wikidata, where its "instance of" property was swapped from "taxon" to "fictional taxon". How did this article have such a long lifespan? Early intervention is critical for removing hoaxes. A 2016 report found that a hoax article that survives its first day has an 18% chance of lasting a year.[1] Additionally, hoax articles tend to have longer lifespans if they are in inconspicuous parts of Wikipedia, where they do not receive many views. Mustelodon was only viewed a couple times a day, on average. Mustelodon survived a brush with death three years into its lifespan. The article was proposed for deletion in September 2008, with a deletion rationale of "No references given; cannot find any evidence in peer-reviewed journals that this alleged genus actually exists". Unfortunately, the proposed deletion was contested and the template removed, though the declining editor did not give a rationale. Upon its rediscovery in August 2020, Mustelodon was tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G3 as a "blatant hoax". This was challenged, and an Articles for Deletion discussion followed. On 12 August, the AfD was closed as a SNOW delete. WikiProject Palaeontology members ensured that any trace of it was scrubbed from legitimate articles. The fictional mammal was finally, truly extinct. At the ripe old age of 14 years, 9 months, this is the longest-lived documented hoax on Wikipedia, topping the previous documented record of 14 years, 5 months, set by The Gates of Saturn, a fictitious television show, which was incidentally also discovered in August 2020. How do we discover other hoax taxa? Could we use Wikidata to discover taxa are not linked to databases like ITIS, Fossilworks, and others?
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This month's spotlight is with Mattximus, author of two Featured Articles and 29 Featured Lists at current count.
I think I have a compulsion to make lists, it doesn't show up in my real life, but online I secretly get a lot of satisfaction making orderly lists and tables. It's a bit of a secret of mine, because it doesn't manifest in any other part of my life. My background is in biology, so this was a natural (haha) fit.
This experiment was just to see if I could get any random article to FA status, so I picked the very first alphabetical animal species according to the taxonomy and made that attempt. Technically, there isn't enough information for a species page so I just merged the species into a genus and went from there. It was a fun exercise, but doing it alone is not the most fun so it's probably on pause for the foreseeable future. Note: Aporhynchus is the first alphabetical taxon as follows: Animalia, Acanthocephala, Archiacanthocephala, Apororhynchida, Apororhynchidae, Apororhynchus
I would recommend getting a good article nominated, then a featured list up before tackling the FA. Lists are a bit more forgiving but give you a taste of what standards to expect from FA. The most time consuming thing is proper citations so make sure that is in order before starting either.
My personality in real life does not match my wikipedia persona. I'm not a very organized, or orderly in real life, but the wikipedia pages I brought to FL or FA are all very organized. Maybe it's my outlet for a more free-flowing life as a scientist/teacher.
The fact that wikipedia exists free of profit motive and free for everyone really is something special and I encourage everyone to donate a few dollars to the cause. |
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Cross posted from the Signpost ![]() The jackalope, a close relative of Mustelodon On August 7, WikiProject Palaeontology member Rextron discovered a suspicious taxon article, Mustelodon, which was created in November 2005. The article lacked references and the subsequent discussion on WikiProject Palaeontology found that the alleged type locality (where the fossil was first discovered) of Lago Nandarajo "near the northern border of Panama" was nonexistent. In fact, Panama does not even really have a northern border, as it is bounded along the north by the Caribbean Sea. No other publications or databases mentioned Mustelodon, save a fleeting mention in a 2019 book that presumably followed Wikipedia, Felines of the World. The article also appeared in four other languages, Catalan, Spanish, Dutch, and Serbian. In Serbian Wikipedia, a note at the bottom of the page warned: "It is important to note here that there is no data on this genus in the official scientific literature, and all attached data on the genus Mustelodon on this page are taken from the English Wikipedia and are the only known data on this genus of mammals, so the validity of this genus is questionable." Editors took action to alert our counterparts on other projects, and these versions were removed also. As the editor who reached out to Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia, it was somewhat challenging to navigate these mostly foreign languages (I have a limited grasp of Spanish). I doubted that the article had very many watchers, so I knew I had to find some WikiProjects where I could post a machine translation advising of the hoax, and asking that users follow local protocols to remove the article. I was surprised to find, however, that Catalan Wikipedia does not tag articles for WikiProjects on talk pages, meaning I had to fumble around to find what I needed (turns out that WikiProjects are Viquiprojectes in Catalan!) Mustelodon remains on Wikidata, where its "instance of" property was swapped from "taxon" to "fictional taxon". How did this article have such a long lifespan? Early intervention is critical for removing hoaxes. A 2016 report found that a hoax article that survives its first day has an 18% chance of lasting a year.[1] Additionally, hoax articles tend to have longer lifespans if they are in inconspicuous parts of Wikipedia, where they do not receive many views. Mustelodon was only viewed a couple times a day, on average. Mustelodon survived a brush with death three years into its lifespan. The article was proposed for deletion in September 2008, with a deletion rationale of "No references given; cannot find any evidence in peer-reviewed journals that this alleged genus actually exists". Unfortunately, the proposed deletion was contested and the template removed, though the declining editor did not give a rationale. Upon its rediscovery in August 2020, Mustelodon was tagged for speedy deletion under CSD G3 as a "blatant hoax". This was challenged, and an Articles for Deletion discussion followed. On 12 August, the AfD was closed as a SNOW delete. WikiProject Palaeontology members ensured that any trace of it was scrubbed from legitimate articles. The fictional mammal was finally, truly extinct. At the ripe old age of 14 years, 9 months, this is the longest-lived documented hoax on Wikipedia, topping the previous documented record of 14 years, 5 months, set by The Gates of Saturn, a fictitious television show, which was incidentally also discovered in August 2020. How do we discover other hoax taxa? Could we use Wikidata to discover taxa are not linked to databases like ITIS, Fossilworks, and others?
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This month's spotlight is with Mattximus, author of two Featured Articles and 29 Featured Lists at current count.
I think I have a compulsion to make lists, it doesn't show up in my real life, but online I secretly get a lot of satisfaction making orderly lists and tables. It's a bit of a secret of mine, because it doesn't manifest in any other part of my life. My background is in biology, so this was a natural (haha) fit.
This experiment was just to see if I could get any random article to FA status, so I picked the very first alphabetical animal species according to the taxonomy and made that attempt. Technically, there isn't enough information for a species page so I just merged the species into a genus and went from there. It was a fun exercise, but doing it alone is not the most fun so it's probably on pause for the foreseeable future. Note: Aporhynchus is the first alphabetical taxon as follows: Animalia, Acanthocephala, Archiacanthocephala, Apororhynchida, Apororhynchidae, Apororhynchus
I would recommend getting a good article nominated, then a featured list up before tackling the FA. Lists are a bit more forgiving but give you a taste of what standards to expect from FA. The most time consuming thing is proper citations so make sure that is in order before starting either.
My personality in real life does not match my wikipedia persona. I'm not a very organized, or orderly in real life, but the wikipedia pages I brought to FL or FA are all very organized. Maybe it's my outlet for a more free-flowing life as a scientist/teacher.
The fact that wikipedia exists free of profit motive and free for everyone really is something special and I encourage everyone to donate a few dollars to the cause. |
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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Pichpich (talk) 22:44, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Let it be known that I fully agree with this as that was a complete mistake on my part.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Big Cats
Hey, so this cats: caracal, serval, clouded leopard, Sunda clouded leopard and all the lynx are big enough to be considered a big cat, why dont you add them???? Sorry for bad english. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, they are not considered big cats; that term is reserved for the Panthera species, the cougar, and the cheetah. Please stop making disruptive edits.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
But they are big enough, can you just put that think that i added: A more liberal and expansive definition of the term includes species outside of Panthera including the caracal, serval, clouded leopard, Sunda clouded leopard, and sometimes the several lynx species, although these added species also do not roar. Just to remind people, please. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Given that several of those species are, in fact, small enough to breed with domestic cats, no, they did not count as big cats. Additionally I, having researched felids extensively, have never seen the term applied to them by a reliable source, which your reference is not.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
This channel of big cats says that the lynx, caracal and serval are big cats. I thought it was official because the channel is too famous. And, the eurasian lynx, the canada lynx, bobcat, caracal and serval are actually big compared to normal cats, they really are big cats. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Please see WP:RS, and to be honest, I am not really the best person to explain this. That said, the vast majority of websites and youtubes channels are not considered reliable sources for the purpose of Wikipedia. And again, several of those species are not that large; the serval, caracal, and bobcat, off the top of my head, have all successfully bred with domestic house cats. Also, it is considered good etiquette to sign your posts by putting four tildes (~) after it. SilverTiger12 (talk) 22:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
ok, i will leave just a note on the page at least about this cats. Rogerio980Pizza (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
hi SilverTiger12, i notice you have been removing the cats wikiproject from a large number of fictional cat/book talkpages! the thing is, the scope of that project is "This project deals with the creation and editing of articles related to cats, including both real and fictional cats." so just wondering what your reasoning for this is?
Coolabahapple (talk) 00:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- I explained most of this in an update on the WikiProject's talk page (under the Major Update subsection), but to reiterate: many of those articles can be better covered by different WikiProjects, do not really have much to do with cats as real animals, and only bog down an already small WikiProject. Basically, if it doesn't easily relate to actual cats, I'm removing it. That said, I did bring it up for discussion at the WikiProject talk page in hopes of getting actual consensus rather than just what I think. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
- I basically agree that the scope of the WikiProject Cats should be real cats, both wild species and breeds, but excluding fictional ones. Latter is the scope of a WikiProject Arts -- BhagyaMani (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the support, although I ask that you voice it at the section I opened to discuss. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 06:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I just did. I came here for sth. else and saw above comm. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the support, although I ask that you voice it at the section I opened to discuss. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 06:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- I basically agree that the scope of the WikiProject Cats should be real cats, both wild species and breeds, but excluding fictional ones. Latter is the scope of a WikiProject Arts -- BhagyaMani (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
The sth. else
You may have noticed that a novice editor added refs as WP:BAREURLS to pages. S/he's been doing this to other pages not about cats as well, despite multiple calls to learn to WP:CITEHOW and in disregard of the quality ratings of those pages. Would you please help to keep especially FA and GA rated pages free of bare urls ? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Certainly. I have all the cat species, subspecies, and other taxa up to family on my watchlist and I check that frequently. I'm generally busy but reverts aren't that difficult. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 07:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks!! S/he's so stubbornly resisting to learn that I wonder which language s/he understands. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- S/he also added erroneous statements that you may have seen, which I reverted. So I think, we need to carefully check their additions to pages, as not all may be trustworthy. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Come on guys, don't talk behind my back, that's no fun :( Instead, tell me directly, like adults! :^) Ddum5347 (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- I tried to, but alas, you didn't care and re-added false claims. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Come on guys, don't talk behind my back, that's no fun :( Instead, tell me directly, like adults! :^) Ddum5347 (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- S/he also added erroneous statements that you may have seen, which I reverted. So I think, we need to carefully check their additions to pages, as not all may be trustworthy. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:55, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks!! S/he's so stubbornly resisting to learn that I wonder which language s/he understands. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:42, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- (outdent) If you'd remember to cite correctly and not add false statements, there wouldn't be a problem. Also, BhagyaMani, it looks like our persistent friend is back at Big cat- I just undid yet another edit of theirs that was basically identical to the previous ones. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- O, I removed this page from my watchlist a couple of months ago. Imo, this is such an odd compilation of statements that I rather contribute to pages that have been on my watchlist for yeeears. But if you think that I can help, do let me know, and I will if time allows. I'll have a look now. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, the term "Big cat" is such an odd, paraphyletic grouping that it doesn't really make much sense, but it is also a popular term, so I mostly keep it on my watchlist to prevent vandalism. The notice is just so you're aware if they go back to the other cat articles they were so insistent were big cats. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 18:06, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- I re-added the page to my watchlist and will revert this kid's stubborn silly additions, if needed. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:14, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- O, I removed this page from my watchlist a couple of months ago. Imo, this is such an odd compilation of statements that I rather contribute to pages that have been on my watchlist for yeeears. But if you think that I can help, do let me know, and I will if time allows. I'll have a look now. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, Ddum5347, a lot of your most recent edits to the cat species seem mostly constructive. Therefore, I recommend a period of sticking to fixing mistakes while you figure out how to correctly add cited information. People forget that WikiGnoming is important too.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- Good advice !! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
- All the edits I make are in good conscience. I never vandalise. If you have a problem with them, then talk to me about it directly. And you say you're not stalking me lol Ddum5347 (talk) 19:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- None of us accused you of vandalising. And I did address you directly in several edit summaries. Re stalking: don't you worry, I have many pages on my watchlist long before you decided to pass by them. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 20:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- All the edits I make are in good conscience. I never vandalise. If you have a problem with them, then talk to me about it directly. And you say you're not stalking me lol Ddum5347 (talk) 19:39, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
- Good advice !! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 17:59, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Do you also see the block logs on your watchlist ? The first that the guy is blocked for 31 hours, and the 2nd that block is extended to 2 weeks after review. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 22:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed. I am kind of realized given the sheer number of edits they did - my watchlist just has the cats and it seemed like half the edits showing up were theirs. Really rather exhausting, honestly. At this point, I'm not sure if they shouldn't just be blocked permanently. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 00:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- In the past 10 years, I did not have as many revert alerts in such short intervals as by them. And not only on cat pages: they also reverted lots of edits by other users. I learned counting to 4 in pre-school, and you? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- I also learned how to count to 4 in pre-school, like most people. From what I can tell is they're rapid-fire editing all across the animal pages. I just hope that this issue resolves itself soon, but I doubt it will be a peaceful resolution.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 08:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well yes, they are quite a high flyer, but nowhere added content with care for appropriate source. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- I also learned how to count to 4 in pre-school, like most people. From what I can tell is they're rapid-fire editing all across the animal pages. I just hope that this issue resolves itself soon, but I doubt it will be a peaceful resolution.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 08:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- In the past 10 years, I did not have as many revert alerts in such short intervals as by them. And not only on cat pages: they also reverted lots of edits by other users. I learned counting to 4 in pre-school, and you? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey: hope you are well!! Once you have time, please comment at the Bengal tiger RfC by a new kid on the block. S/he has <10 edits on the page itself, all withOUT adding a new reference, but > a dozen edits on talk page + ~dozen on my talk page about Bengal tiger + 36 edits at ANI complaining about me re same tiger. You and I and lots of others I know would rather use 60 edits for contributing sth. useful, won't we? Cheers – BhagyaMani (talk) 08:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Category:Cats in comic strips requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.
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Help with Freshpet?
Thank you for your thorough review of Talk:Freshpet#Request Edits February 12 2021. I know there were a lot of requests! Do you happen to have time to finish up? #8, #9, #10 of the requests which remain unreviewed. Also, could you consider the following:
- Please delete the flag on top of the article, above the infobo - Advert|date=February 2021
- 'Explanation: promotional content has been removed as a result of these Request Edits. The article is now significantly shorter and neutral.
I posted this on the Talk page for the article as well, so it would be public for everyone, but wanted to reach out to you here as well.
Thank you! NJ0220 (talk) 19:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- You are welcome. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Complaint about edit warrior
I filed a complaint at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_warring_on_Panthera_pardus_tulliana against this idiot. You might want to defend your case when the admins come around. Ddum5347 (talk) 03:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the notification, I was getting tired of sitting on the article... luckily, that kind of behavior is indefensible and unacceptable so I hope it will end soon. Although meatpuppetry and/or sockpuppetry might be a concern. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 03:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, let's hope he doesn't come through with that promise. Ddum5347 (talk) 03:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- SilverTiger12, as a warning, you should familiarise yourself with the WP:3RR. If you go past 3 reverts on a single page within a 24 hour period you risk being blocked. Just because the other guy is wrong and also edit warring doesn't give you the right to edit war. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Bornean ferret badger article
I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to and suggestions for this article. - Ghost1590 (talk) 14:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Deprodding of Tjololo
I am leaving this message to let you know that the article Tjololo that you tagged for Proposed Deletion was removed by another user, and they failed to leave a note on your talk page about it, and their reason for doing so was inaccurate. As you were not informed, I have taken it upon myself to leave this here so you may consider perusing Articles for Deletion instead, as adding a new PROD is not permitted. Kind regards, --Tautomers(T C) 08:17, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'd noticed the de-prodding already and felt his "explanation" was inadequate, but I'm not sure I have the energy or know-how to take it to AfD. Thank you for taking the time to tell me, though. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Leptofelis
Hi. I see you reverted my change regarding speciesbox. Per Template:speciesbox#Monspecific_genera, speciesbox should be used over automatic taxobox in cases with monotypic species, which appears to be the case here. Porqaz (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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For being a voice of reason on that talk page. I have described the article as the worst article on Wikipedia for five years, and I'm aware of what a pain it is to deal with. Honestly, I think it should be deleted since it's basically just speculation and synthesis of sourcing, but if there are people who are willing to work on making it less bad, I'm fine with that as well for now :) An AfD would be a pain and would be easier to deal with once all the sources have been cleaned up anyway. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:49, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've tried cleaning parts of it, but it somehow never gets much better. Thanks for cleaning up the opinions section, though. --SilverTiger12 (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Response
I really do not know who is that guy your talking about, i would appreciate if you gave me more info of him. "This isn't the place to debate the supposed naturalness of ligers". I was asking to debate n my page. And am not asking weather their natural or not, am ask if its fine for them to exist considering that Humans breed with Neanderthals and the fact that the eastern coyote was the result f crossbreeding between Coyotes and Wolfs. Panthera hybrids are no different as in all three cases its between species of the same genus. And you have to remember that natural\unnatural=\=good or bad. I suppose yo shouldn't brush your teeth as that's unnatural, right? And at some point ligers possibly did happen:https://markgelbart.wordpress.com/tag/tiger-x-snow-leopard-hybrid/ .People also thought that Brown bear and Polar Bear hybrids where unnatural as they did no happened in the wild, and look now, there are starting to hybridize. Not to mention there is evidence that lions crossbreed with snow leopards, who are closely related to tigers. "and sterility is in fact considered unhealthy" the fact that its considered doe snot mean its true. Also, female ligers are always fertile, male usually are sterile but their is a small percentage for them to be fertile. There was the case of a fertile mule in Texas. And ive seen lots of male sterile Ligers that appear to be fine. And the reason why am making this debate is so people can get the right information so we can make sure the page does not misinform the viewer. I've tried to change the page multiple times so i could present the correct information but it appears that unless i can convince them otherwise, Wikipedians wont let me make the changes. Many Wikipedians are so biased towards reading articles that they never question if the articles in question are factually correct or if they contain outdated information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56FireLeafs (talk • contribs) 05:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Leopard edits
Refer to [4] for discussion. BhagyaMani has not reverted so I assume they take no issue with my edits either. Groovehx (talk) 16:37, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
- On no other page did anyone think it necessary to place an int link to a continent on which a part of a country is located. Or would you e.g. write
Peru in South America
? – BhagyaMani (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2022 (UTC)- I believe it was especially notable in this case, since Southern Russia is the only region in Europe with wild leopards. I don't appreciate the condescending tone. Groovehx (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- @BhagyaMani and SilverTiger12: As a note, it appears Groovehx is a sockpuppet of Ddum5347, see the open investigation.--Kevmin § 20:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note, Kevmin !! Am not really surprised, as I also noticed the similarity of their edits, in particular insistence on adding int links to Europe on this and another page. – BhagyaMani (talk) 20:45, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- @BhagyaMani and SilverTiger12: As a note, it appears Groovehx is a sockpuppet of Ddum5347, see the open investigation.--Kevmin § 20:35, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- I believe it was especially notable in this case, since Southern Russia is the only region in Europe with wild leopards. I don't appreciate the condescending tone. Groovehx (talk) 15:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
- @SilverTiger12, Kevmin, and BhagyaMani: Hi there. So sorry for abruptly joining your discussion this way. I came across this talk page by way of a tool used in the aforementioned investigation. Since you've all interacted with Groovehx, I wanted to bring to your attention that there is a "Comments by other users" section there for you to present evidence if you'd like to do so, whether that's to further confirm any suspicion or discredit it. Thank you! KyleJoantalk 01:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- You do NOT need to be sorry!! It took me a while to collate these diffs: Groovehx's first edits on the leopard page, next and again reminded me of Ddum5347's insistence on keeping the same int link at the same page in May 2021. And while I was still pondering over coincidence, the sockpuppetry was confirmed and case closed. – BhagyaMani (talk) 09:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice, although to be honest I only really noticed the disruption he cause on Panthera pardus tulliana this time around, and that article is a trouble magnet. It seems the investigation went swiftly, though. Happy editing, --SilverTiger12 (talk) 15:24, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
- You do NOT need to be sorry!! It took me a while to collate these diffs: Groovehx's first edits on the leopard page, next and again reminded me of Ddum5347's insistence on keeping the same int link at the same page in May 2021. And while I was still pondering over coincidence, the sockpuppetry was confirmed and case closed. – BhagyaMani (talk) 09:49, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
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In response to you undoing my edits, I really do not know who is that guy your talking about, i would appreciate if you gave me more info of him. "This isn't the place to debate the supposed naturalness of ligers". I was asking to debate n my page. And am not asking weather their natural or not, am ask if its fine for them to exist considering that Humans breed with Neanderthals and the fact that the eastern coyote was the result f crossbreeding between Coyotes and Wolfs. Panthera hybrids are no different as in all three cases its between species of the same genus. And you have to remember that natural\unnatural=\=good or bad. I suppose yo shouldn't brush your teeth as that's unnatural, right? And at some point ligers possibly did happen:https://markgelbart.wordpress.com/tag/tiger-x-snow-leopard-hybrid/ .People also thought that Brown bear and Polar Bear hybrids where unnatural as they did no happened in the wild, and look now, there are starting to hybridize. Not to mention there is evidence that lions crossbreed with snow leopards, who are closely related to tigers. "and sterility is in fact considered unhealthy" the fact that its considered doe snot mean its true. Also, female ligers are always fertile, male usually are sterile but their is a small percentage for them to be fertile. There was the case of a fertile mule in Texas. And ive seen lots of male sterile Ligers that appear to be fine. And the reason why am making this debate is so people can get the right information so we can make sure the page does not misinform the viewer. I've tried to change the page multiple times so i could present the correct information but it appears that unless i can convince them otherwise, Wikipedians wont let me make the changes. Many Wikipedians are so biased towards reading articles that they never question if the articles in question are factually correct or if they contain outdated information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56FireLeafs (talk • contribs) 05:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 56FireLeafs (talk • contribs)
Red panda FAC
Hello, would you be able to review red panda for FAC? I think we just need one more review. We already have two content reviews, an image review and a source review. Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 13:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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White Tiger
I don't get how would Landorus be irrelevant as a link on the White Tiger page. Its Therian Forme is inspired by the White Tiger, so why did you remove it? --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 19:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Landorus is not relevant to the White Tiger article because it is merely one of many pop-culture creatures/characters based on the mythological figure. Listing them in the See Also section adds no value, grants no help in further understanding, the topic of the article. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Instead of removing links, you could at least have created an "In popular culture" section. That would fit the most. --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 20:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Since "In Popular culture sections are heavily discouraged, that would have only aggravated the problem. SilverTiger12 (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Instead of removing links, you could at least have created an "In popular culture" section. That would fit the most. --Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 20:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Tiger
Hello. Bit confused by your changes to my recent edit at Tiger. Firstly, it now diverges from the reference I used, you seem to have removed the trinomials, and it is perfectly possible to have a trinomial junior synonym for a species. Secondly, you removed {{Species list}}, the correct use of which italicises the binomials (and trinomials), as well as making the authorities small. YorkshireExpat (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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