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A gift
Recently, I took a Wikibreak. It's not the first time. I find when I get fed up with Wikipedia, it's the best thing to do. Wikipedia can be a toxic place. You take a lot of guff, but people do recognize your value. I was perusing your user page, and was amazed that you didn't have that many awards. Poking around a little further, I realized that you have not updated this page, User:BrownHairedGirl/Barnstars. Our colleague, @Gerda Arendt: does a great job letting people know that they are precious. I'm not going to start giving out precious awards, but I wanted to do something else to let you know you are esteemed. So, I went through and culled the barnstars and other awards that you have been given, and I updated your awards page. I did not include kittens, or puppies. Thanks again! --evrik (talk) 19:55, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah bless you, @Evrik. All of that is very very kind of you, esp updating my long-neglected barnstars page. That was a big job.
- Huge big thanks to you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks ☺ Inoxent AR (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Brown girl i need help 😐 Inoxent AR (talk) 17:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Inoxent AR: you are in luck!
- Please go to WP:TEAHOUSE, where there are skilled editors ready to help beginners. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:19, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Category:Scholars and academics has been nominated for renaming
Category:Scholars and academics has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Family
Hello would be good to connect, are you related to the Macdonald's 2A02:C7C:C23:D200:10B1:C4AA:B79B:E627 (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Related? I am a burger, and you can't get closer than that. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:30, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
Always seeing you on Recent Changes. Really appreciate the hard work! Taxin609 (Talk To Me) 01:51, 6 May 2022 (UTC) |
- Ah, thanks @Taxin609. That is v kind of you.
- I kinda found a groove today, and got a lot done. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Northern Ireland Assembly (1973)
Another nuisance editor who failed to read, comprehend, and respect a simple request to "Get off my talk page, and stay off it", and had to be reverted.[1]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC) |
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi,
It’s simple. The reason I reverted the edit is because it disrupted the article structure, similar to vandalism. The content had moved out of the table and been dropped further down the page. Although I respect editors who add maintenance tags, I don’t think that should include disrupting formatting or dragging content out of boxes and so on. I added the tag back, as the point probably needs to be fixed anyway, (Kreb (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)) Screenshot
- Hi Kreb
- if you revert an edit, as you did[2] at to my edit[3] at Northern Ireland Assembly (1973) ... please can you leave a note in the edit summary to explain why?
- :::: In this case you did a partial self-revert[4], but again no explanation. Why not a full self-revert? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:34, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- For goodness sake, Kreb.
I posted a question on your talk page. Why not answer it there? There is a big edit notice at the top of this page saying To reply to a message I left on your talk page, then please post the reply on your talk page, and use {{ping}} to notify me
. What part of that is unclear?
Then when you do post here, why post your reply before the message you are replying to?
The substance of your reply could and and should have been explained in your edit summaries at Northern Ireland Assembly (1973). Please go read Help:Edit summary, and start using edit summaries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, your notice probably isn’t clear enough because I still haven’t seen it. Some people like new posts at the top of the page, some at the bottom. IME, it’s only editors that feel "challenged" that get upset at these things. (Kreb (talk) 16:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC))
- No, @Kreb, this is a matter of very basic on-wiki communication practices.
- You failed:
- to use informative edit summaries
- to answer a question where it is asked
- As a result we have two bulky discussion sections where none would have been needed if you had simply had the decency to use a meaningful edit summary in the first place, per WP:REVEXP.
- A your snark about
editors that feel "challenged"
: what nasty remark. How dare you try to depict your abysmal communication skills as some sort of failing on my part. - Enough. Get off my talk page, and stay off it: I have zero tolerance for people who play the sort of bitchy games you are playing here. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Reflinks
Hi, I noticed that you have been using User:Dispenser/Reflinks, which has been leaving some urls bare after a visit. I ran Zhaofeng_Li/Reflinks on a few that you marked "bare" and it seemed to be a deeper metadata trawler, finding data for almost all of them. -- Ohc revolution of our times 21:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Ohconfucius.
- I haven't investigated that script properly, but from a quick inspection it appears to be an unmaintained fork of the buggy WP:REFILL, which I use very sparingly: see User:BrownHairedGirl/No-reflinks_websites#Reference-filling_tools. (User:Zhaofeng Li/Reflinks is a redirect to Wikipedia:ReFill). Basically, I use WP:REFLINKS because while there are many sites it won't get anything from, it has a low error rate: i.e. it is much less likely than than other tools to spew out junk or to mangle existing refs.
- Instead of this proliferation of unmaintained flaky tools, we need WMF techs to take on the task of writing a more solid tool to tackle the key task of ensuring that citations can actually be verified, and editors don't have to choose between a set of badly-broken tools. WP:V is a core policy, so this should be a WMF priority.
- Sadly, my proposal at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Citations/New reference-filling tool ended up at #51 on the meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Results, and didn't make it onto the leaderboard of projects which might get done.
- All of which is unsurprising. Fluff gets higher priorities than core tasks, and coding these tools gets less cash than the so-called "WMF chapters", which allow a few people in each country to play committee games and attend conferences rather than edit the 'pedia. Meanwhile, WMF sits on humungous piles of cash. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:56, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're right. We have buggy tools and have to make do with sticky tape. There ought to be better. Fucking politics. -- Ohc revolution of our times 22:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Ohconfucius: there was some excuse for this back in 2006, when I started editing here. WMF had little money, and as en.wp became one of the world's biggest websites, its total income was less than the lunch budget of the managers of similarly big websites.
- The WMF techies of that time did a brilliant job of keeping the servers alive as load spiralled, and to their credit they did great work to improve the core software and make it scalable to a robust new hardware architecture.
- But that was a decade ago. WMF is now a decade out of poverty, and its executive director gets paid nearly twice as much as the Taoiseach and only 9% less than the POTUS ... but it still commits only the square root of bugger all to making tools for the poor bloody infantry.
- Troughers everywhere. Oink oink. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:25, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- sigh -- Ohc revolution of our times 22:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- 501 just means only the company don't make a profit. -- Ohc revolution of our times 09:20, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're right. We have buggy tools and have to make do with sticky tape. There ought to be better. Fucking politics. -- Ohc revolution of our times 22:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Ringing Bell
Out of five references on Ringing Bell, only two are using the cite web templates. The other three only have the titles listed manually. I was hoping you could fill the rest of them in properly with reflinks. Also, on Gordy, I am suspicious of the recent edits to the home media section; however, I found out that there is now Paramount Global era of Miramax. But on the other hand, it said 49% was sold, so that leaves another 51%. I don't know which one is true regarding Gordy. I flagged the statement for needing citation, but I don't know if it is true and sourceable or not. Otherwise, it might be challenged. If you know what to do or who to ask, please tell me. Meanwhile, I will start a discussion about Gordy at the talk page. Thank you. 2600:1700:53F1:5560:D438:2B7E:AEF7:4F8 (talk) 18:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- In general, I am working only on WP:Bare URLs, unless the topic falls within my areas of interest, which these don't.
- The other refs on those article are not bare, just crudely filled, so they fall outside the scope of my bare-ref-filling work. WP:REFLINKS doesn't touch non-bare refs, so it is no help there. Converting them manually to use cite templates is not a big job: see the guidance at WP:HOWTOCITE.
- As the correctness of that assertion about Gordy, I can't help directly. Not my topic. However, you are taking the right first step of asking on the talk page; if that doesn't get a response, try leaving a brief note at one the relevant WikiProjects (WP:WikiProject Film or WP:WikiProject Disney) asking people to join the discussion.
- Hope this helps a bit. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:06, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – May 2022
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2022).
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- Following an RfC, a change has been made to the administrators inactivity policy. Under the new policy, if an administrator has not made at least 100 edits over a period of 5 years they may be desysopped for inactivity.
- Following a discussion on the bureaucrat's noticeboard, a change has been made to the bureaucrats inactivity policy.
- The ability to undelete the associated talk page when undeleting a page has been added. This was the 11th wish of the 2021 Community Wishlist Survey.
- A public status system for WMF wikis has been created. It is located at https://www.wikimediastatus.net/ and is hosted separately to WMF wikis so in the case of an outage it will remain viewable.
- Remedy 2 of the St Christopher case has been rescinded following a motion. The remedy previously authorised administrators to place a ban on single-purpose accounts who were disruptively editing on the article St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine or related pages from those pages.
Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Malian expatriates in Japan
A tag has been placed on Category:Malian expatriates in Japan indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself. LucasKannou (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Requesting comment as third party in arbitration case
Hi, I would like to request for your comment on an Arbitration case request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Dispute on Portal:Iceland, since you had some involvement in the case. Thanks. Snævar (talk) 08:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Snævar: Sorry, but I have no choice here. I have to decline, because Arbcom has banned me from making any comment on portals. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Eric Allan
Hi there I noticed you edited “Eric Allan” recently. The actor of 82 years of age who was in such shows as “Tell me Lies”. This man is my grandad. I don’t understand wikipedia text, but his photo has been changed very recently to the wrong Eric Allan. I wondered if this was you and if you could change it back if it was/if you could help me change it back? I have access to the previous picture as it is on google if his name is typed in. Its a photo of a clearly much older gentleman. Im sorry to bother you with this but it is something that means the world to me. My email is bradley.allan@hotmail.co.uk If you could contact me there I would be must appreciative Kind Regards Brad — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradleyAllan97 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- @BradleyAllan97
- I keep discussions about Wikipedia on Wikipedia. So no email.
- The article Eric Allan has no picture, and as far as I can see it never had a picture. So I don't see how I can help. Sorry. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
The page has always had his photo. It hasn’t been edited by anyone other than yourself in over 6 months prior. So you must have removed it. This was incorrect to do so BradleyAllan97 (talk) 21:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @BradleyAllan97: no, I did not remove any picture. See my only edits to the page: [5], [6].
- A I noted above, I have not found any version of the article which had a picture. I cannot help you any further. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:09, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Access to Irish newspaper sources
Hi BHG - hope you are well. Do you have access to Irish newspaper sources that may or may not help with this AfD? Thank you. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Lugnuts! I am doing fine, and hope you are well too.
- I took a quick look at the AFD, and it seems that other editors have already mentioned the two main sources I would commend: the Irish Newspaper Archive, and the British Newspaper Archive. Sadly, as noted, both are paywalled, and I have no sub.
- However, I also commend the Irish Times Archive. The paywall there is only partial, so some good stuff may be accessible.
- Sorry I can't help more. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi! Yes, I'm good thanks. No worries - thank you for having a quick look. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Divide and rule
I think that we are broadly on the same side so let's not let the frustration goad us into taking it out on each other. My reference to bottom trawling was aimed at Abductive, not you. (That article is far too npov. Bottom trawling is a nasty and destructive method of fishing, very high impact for very low reward. ) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @John Maynard Friedman: we are indeed broadly on the same side about the damage done by overload of Citation bot.
- So please will you finally STOP demanding measures which would sabotage the work of those of us who put a lot of effort into building highly-productive batch jobs?
- The reason I let rip this time was that it is about the 4th or 5th occasion when you attacked all of us who do batch jobs, and I am fed up with it. If you agree that the problem is Abductive, then say so directly ... but if you keep on making discriminate attacks on all batch jobs, you will continue to impede a solution. And if you propose solutions which will completely f**k those of us doing productive batch jobs, you will get a hostile response.
- Your call. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that I don't know that it is Abductive although I have sufficient confidence in your judgement to take it as a reasonable starting assumption. But the reality right now is that I have a very low expectation that a one-shot request will succeed – and I believe that the reason for that effect is batch runs. Your campaign to get Abductive to behave has been running now for over a year with no results. Putting a volume restriction to throttle batch runs (I believe! don't know!) in the meantime advances my objective of getting a working ☑ Citations service for the majority of us. I respect your work but unless and until serious action is taken to control 'road hogging', I will have to continue to fight my corner.
- I do hear you. I understand your perspective and consider it a valid one. But fundamentally, batch work should always take second place to real-time work, it should occupy otherwise idle time. Yes, my 'solution' is treating the symptoms not the disease but so too, I think, is yours. For as long as the bot fails to prioritise between types of load, we will continue to collide with one another despite our desire to cooperate. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Well, to be fair, if the problem is just with Abductive, then I don't see why everyone needs to be impacted by the behavior. There were no complaints about the button or anything when Abductive wasn't putting in his batch jobs, as far as I am aware. If there was a core problem with the bot's design and implentation then maybe a limit for everyone would make sense, but that is not the problem. The problem is a user that is apperently sabotaging the usability of the bot. Rlink2 (talk) 20:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @John Maynard Friedman: This is still exasperating.
- I entirely agree that the bot should have a better queue management system. I proposed that at meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2022/Citations/More capacity for Citation bot and notified CB users at User talk:Citation bot/Archive_30#Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022:_More_capacity_for_Citation_bot.
- Sadly, that proposal didn't make the action list, due to lack of support. I see now that you didn't support the proposal, so that makes me even more annoyed that you repeatedly advocate measures which would sabotage my work. WTF?
- So we continue with the present inadequate queueing system.
- But so far as I am concerned, you continue to miss the very simple fundamental point: that whatever queueing system Citation bot has, the bot will still have a finite capacity that is less than demand. So we still have a need to prioritise productive use over unproductive use, and especially to prioritise productive batches over unproductive batches. What part of that is complicated?
- Eliminate the unproductive use of the bot, and the clogging problem is resolved.
- As to you not knowing that the problem is Abductive, that can only be because you have chosen not to check. It's not hard: the methodology is set out repeatedly in the threads I started last year.
- But you choose not to do those checks, and instead you repeatedly propose changes which would utterly sabotage my highly-productive work. Basically, to facilitate a few dozen single uses per day, you choose not to tackle the editor wasting the bots resources, but to sabotage the work which has filled about a million bare URLs in ten months.
- I despair of your approach. Please do not reply unless you are willing to stop being so destructive. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do hear you. I understand your perspective and consider it a valid one. But fundamentally, batch work should always take second place to real-time work, it should occupy otherwise idle time. Yes, my 'solution' is treating the symptoms not the disease but so too, I think, is yours. For as long as the bot fails to prioritise between types of load, we will continue to collide with one another despite our desire to cooperate. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Use of reflinks on Bisexuality
Hey. I noticed a few days ago you filled in a bare reference on [[Bisexuality]. I was wondering why you used Template:Cite web and not Template:Cite book. The Google Books link itself seemed broken, insofar as it's returning a page that says "No preview available" with no obvious way to clear it. Does reflinks only output "cite web" citations? I've fixed it now by grabbing the correct info from Worldcat and Citer, but I know you do many such edits and was wondering if this might be impacting elsewhere on your workflow? Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Sideswipe9th!
- You got it: WP:REFLINKS only does {{cite web}}.
- My work using REFLINKS is a sort of first-aid process: a quick way of making the ref better than a WP:Bare URL. In every case, the ref can be significantly improved beyond what REFLINKS has done, and in some cases such as this there errors in the liked page which REFLINKS can't fix.
- Thanks for improving the ref. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah cool, that's good to know!
- I'm very slowly working through the bare URL backlog, barely made a scratch but if I can at least clear the May 2021 list I'm off to a good start I think. Unfortunately with so many dead URLs, it's a pain having to search each of the archiving sites. I may catch up with the articles you're tagging now sometime this decade! Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, Sideswipe9th, it's great to hear that someone else is on the case! I populated that category last year with about 16K articles, and it's great that it is almost done: down to 320 articles as of now.
- @Storchy has done a lot of work on this category (and other sets of bare URLs), and I nibble away at it in between feeding Citation bot. We are nearly done with that category, and the big picture good news is that in my year of hammering away at bare URLs through difft methods, the total number of bare URLs (tagged and untagged) has fallen from just of 470,000 (start of May 2021) to about 140,000 today. (I will have full figures after the 20220520 database dump). Note that new bare URLs are added at a rate of over 300 per day, so we are doing well to be moving forwards rather than backwards.
- As to archiving, are you using InternetArchiveBot (IAbot)? It is a HUGE timesaver.
- Getting IAbot running is at first a bit confusing, but I would be happy to help if you like. It's well worth the pain! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oooo! I am not using IAbot, however that looks like it will be very very helpful. Looks like there's a Docker container for it now, so set up of the bot itself shouldn't be too difficult. Only thing I can't gleam at a glance of the instructions is whether or not I need special permission flags on my account, or if I just need to create the OAuth tokens it needs to access it? I should be able to get a look into that in more detail in the next day or two. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: AFAIK, you just need to create the OAuth tokens when asked. But I may have forgotten something.
- When I first started using it, I got nowhere until I went to some obscure menu to tell it to use en.wp, not some other-language-wikipedia. I was stumped for weeks until I asked.
- What is a "Docker container"? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- See Docker (software) for more technical details. It works kinda like a virtual machine does, only instead of giving you a full OS, you use it to "containerise" a single application. It allows you to package up and isolate different applications and their dependencies from other applications, each application behaves like it is the only thing installed on the OS, so if one application misbehaves it won't bring down or be able to effect everything else. Oh and if the developer of the application provides a "docker compose" script, which IAbot have, installing the application and all of its dependencies is as simple as running one or two commands! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th
- You shouldn't need to install it locally unless you have your own wiki. You can access the enwiki IAbot here: https://iabot.toolforge.org/ Rlink2 (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Haha! That'll teach me not to check if it's already on Toolforge! Thanks @Rlink2:! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Rlink2.
- @Sideswipe9th: That's what I do: just go to https://iabot.toolforge.org/ and paste in the article title. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks both of you! I'll get familiar with this over the next day or two, really need to go to sleep now as it's 4.15am! Although I think I can already see a way to get this to speed up my workflow after filling in the bare URLs! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: for dead URLs, what I do is to use IAbot first, then fill in the details after IAbot has done most of the clerical work. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- For me because I'm filling in bare URLs, I suspect my workflow will be to fill in the bare URLs first and then run IAbot after to ensure all the archiving is correct. And then do any manual cleanup if there's issues or missing details on other references. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: you gotta find the workflow that works for you.
- For me, the workflow I have developed over the last year is:
- Run Reflinks
- If that has not filled everything, run Citation bot (if it responds promptly)
- Check for any bracketed refs, and quickly convert them to a cite template (cos otherwise IAbot will use a {{webarchive}}
- Rin IAbot, with archive-all on
- Manually fill any refs with "Archived copy" as the title.
- Do any further polishing manually.
- That way the tools do most of the clerical work and some of the research. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- For me because I'm filling in bare URLs, I suspect my workflow will be to fill in the bare URLs first and then run IAbot after to ensure all the archiving is correct. And then do any manual cleanup if there's issues or missing details on other references. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Sideswipe9th: for dead URLs, what I do is to use IAbot first, then fill in the details after IAbot has done most of the clerical work. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks both of you! I'll get familiar with this over the next day or two, really need to go to sleep now as it's 4.15am! Although I think I can already see a way to get this to speed up my workflow after filling in the bare URLs! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- See Docker (software) for more technical details. It works kinda like a virtual machine does, only instead of giving you a full OS, you use it to "containerise" a single application. It allows you to package up and isolate different applications and their dependencies from other applications, each application behaves like it is the only thing installed on the OS, so if one application misbehaves it won't bring down or be able to effect everything else. Oh and if the developer of the application provides a "docker compose" script, which IAbot have, installing the application and all of its dependencies is as simple as running one or two commands! Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hello @User:Sideswipe9th, I did wonder who was dropping the article count in the May 2021 category. Thanks very much for all your work on this.
- Now we know that there are at least three of us doing this, well, three is sort of a faction, isn't it. :-) If either of you are interested in calling for more editors at WP:WCC to work on this, one subcategory at a time, I'd sign up.
- BrownHairedGirl, please feel free to move this post anywhere you like: I couldn't work out where best to reply to you both. Storchy (talk) 09:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oooo! I am not using IAbot, however that looks like it will be very very helpful. Looks like there's a Docker container for it now, so set up of the bot itself shouldn't be too difficult. Only thing I can't gleam at a glance of the instructions is whether or not I need special permission flags on my account, or if I just need to create the OAuth tokens it needs to access it? I should be able to get a look into that in more detail in the next day or two. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Category closed incorrectly
Hi, the discussion you participated to was closed without having any correction to it, just cancelling the proposal. You left a comment about having the name of the category "..in Czech Republic" listed alphabetically correct using "sort keys" so as people looking for it on HotCat won't have to scroll down counterintuitively to the bottom of the list to find "...in the Czech Republic" between "Vietnam" and "in the Dominican Republic". Can you follow up on that and make the change you talked about? Thank you. --Opencross (talk) 11:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Opencross: Done. See Category:Defunct tennis tournaments. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Change of plan. I created the new Category:Defunct tennis tournaments by country, and moved them there. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Sport in Albania
Hi! You may want to run your tool/script over this page again the next time you do a run where it fits the criteria. A handful of your URL clean up edits were casualties of a massive sock reversion (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xoni98). Hated to lose your work but this was the simplest way to de-sock. Hope you're well! Star Mississippi 01:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, @Star Mississippi. I am doing grand, and hope you are too.
- Thanks for the headsup. My bare URL tagging mostly works off lists made by my scans of the latest database dump, and any changes needed to those pages will show up in the 20220520 database dump. So they should all get fixed sometime in he week after that.
- But it was kind of you to notify me. Good work on the sock cleanup, but what a pain that it is needed. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- You're up early or late! Hope you're able to get some rest. All is relatively well here too, thanks.
- Glad to hear you have a preocess that identifies updates such as this. I cannot wait for this master to find a new hobby! Star Mississippi 01:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
So we don't get distracted; you may find this useful
Here's how to look at user contribs and page histories in a big way; in the contribs or history select 500. Then in the url change where it has &limit=500
to a larger number. My old computer can easily handle 3500 (takes a few seconds), but struggles with 5000. Then use 'Ctrl F' to search for the desired text; most browsers will return a number of instances of that text appearing on the page, usually up to 1000. If needed, you can even click on the link for next 3500 and get taken to the next 3500. Abductive (reasoning) 06:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- For goodness sake, @Abductive. Are you trolling me?
- I know how to do that. I have done it dozens of times while documenting your abuse of Citation bot for low-return speculative trawls, and in each case I posted the links. All documented in the Citation bot archive.
- But in this case, you claimed[7] that I had made a low-return bot job ... yet you posted no links to support that claim or to allow me to identify the job.
- I asked you for the links,[8] but instead you basically came here to to tell me to "go fish". Stuff that.
- There are two possibilities:
- You are bluffing. You did no research, but made the claim to troll me.
- You did the research, but instead of posting the links to the data you found, you decided to wind me me up by playing a snarky little passive-aggressive same of making me redo the research.
- Either way, sod off. Your time-wasting games of counter-attack have no play in a collaborative project.
- If there was a low-return job in my bare-URL-filing work, I am willing to investigate and to explain what happened. But I am not going to fishing for evidence that you have chosen to withhold from me.
- Do not reply unless it is to post the links which support your claims. (I am serious: links, or stay away). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I didn't want to crash your computer. Here is a link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Citation_bot&offset=20220515081310&limit=3500&target=Citation+bot. It seems that I was wrong and the job was a good performer, but it took 49 hours and was spread out on two of the 'view 3500' pages. I only captured 399 of those edits and I am sorry. I will correct the thread. I stand by my statement which is that I don't care what people's returns are, but that if we are arguing about them, mine are above average. Abductive (reasoning) 07:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Absolutely typical @Abductive.
- An allegation made with abysmally bad research, but shouted at length with great certainty, and without producing the evidence until you are asked three times ... and then it does not support your claim.
- And that claim about
didn't want to crash your computer
is yet more of your self-serving nonsense. A page of 350 contribs would not crash my computer, even if it did cause problems, those probs would be no greater if I had follow a link instead of doing my own research. Please stop wasting y time with your absurd games. - You waste Citation bot's time with your low-return speculative trawls, and you have now wasted lots of my time with these bogus complaints as the latest round of your attack-and-deflect attrition strategy.
- GET OFF MY TALK PAGE AND STAY OFF. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Abductive
Ah, I see. I didn't want to crash your computer.
I tried opening the link on multiple devices ranging from 1 year old to 10+ years old, multiple operating systems (mac, windows, linux, openbsd, freebsd), and multiple browsers (chrome, safari, firefox, pale moon, and even text-based browsers) and it worked on all of them. So i don't know what computer is going to crash from sharing the link.- Even if you thought it could crash her computer, you could say something like "this is the link, but be careful, it might be slow to load or crash your computer". That is no reason to withhold evidence.
It seems that I was wrong and the job was a good performer, but it took 49 hours and was spread out on two of the 'view 3500' pages. I only captured 399 of those edits and I am sorry. I will correct the thread
. I know the discussion is over and I would like to keep it that way, but "evidence" like this seriously puts into question literally everything else you are saying. How are we supposed to believe thatmine are above average
when you've shown that your way of determining things is wrong in the first place? In the future, make sure the evidence is correct without a doubt before trying to stand by it 100%. And always support the evidence with links and diffs in the first post, not at the end. Its a common but costly Wiki blunder.- Again the discussion is over so you shouldn't need to reply. Its just food for thought. Rlink2 (talk) 12:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I didn't want to crash your computer. Here is a link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Citation_bot&offset=20220515081310&limit=3500&target=Citation+bot. It seems that I was wrong and the job was a good performer, but it took 49 hours and was spread out on two of the 'view 3500' pages. I only captured 399 of those edits and I am sorry. I will correct the thread. I stand by my statement which is that I don't care what people's returns are, but that if we are arguing about them, mine are above average. Abductive (reasoning) 07:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Disambiguation link notification for May 18
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Mosaic (vocal band), you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Royal Caribbean.
(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed.[9] BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Torque
I hope I did not hurt you. If I did, it was not my intention. Perhaps I am too sensitive to some irregularities which sometimes seem susspicious to me. All irregularities will be handled by ... nevermind. ⸻Nikolas Ojala (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikolas Ojala: no you didn't hurt me. But you did annoy me.
- An allegation of sockpuppetry is a serious thing, so care should be taken before making it. You didn't take that care, and when the facts were demonstrated, you just repeated the question. What annoyed me was that you seemed unable to unwilling to say something like "ah, sorry, I made a mistake. Thanks for the explanation". The we could all have moved on promptly.
- I just revisited WT:Sockpuppet investigations#Infinite_torque_at_zero_rpm in order to copy-paste the link here. There I saw a new reply by you: [10], on 22:02, 17 May 2022.
- That reply is very clearly intended to hurt. There is no other possible purpose to it. So your post here is utterly false.
- I have been been around here too long to actually be hurt such low-level nonsense, but I am annoyed by the intention to hurt rather than to resolve. And now I am annoyed again that you come here to insult my intelligence by denying your clear intent.
- This is very basic human interaction stuff: see for this list of the example Five Elements Of An Apology. Your responses include none of those five elements.
- Now, you have had enough of my time. Communication with you is unproductive and unpleasant, so do not reply. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- No. That was humour. Although you did not get it, I meant it to be kind of ridiculous. Anyway, not offensive. I don't know if you know someone who talks like that seriously. But I don't. ⸻Nikolas Ojala (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Nikolas Ojala: that was no time for humour, unless it followed a clear apology. And given the context of your several rounds of obnoxiousness, there was no indication that any humour was intended.
- Anyway, after 5 rounds, it is clear that you are unable or unwilling to communicate effectively. I do not know which part of
do not reply
was unclear to you, so I will simplify it: sod off. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- No. That was humour. Although you did not get it, I meant it to be kind of ridiculous. Anyway, not offensive. I don't know if you know someone who talks like that seriously. But I don't. ⸻Nikolas Ojala (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Can I assist you?
If you fill a sandbox page with a couple thousand of pages to run the bot on, I can do that for you, outside of the web interface. I can post the Zotero worked/failed files afterwards. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @AManWithNoPlan: many thanks for that kind offer. You are a joy to work with.
- That would be a brilliant way of identifying the Citation-bot-cannot-get title websites. I can make a list of the all the pages with potentially-bot-fixable bare URLs (i.e. without known PDFs, images etc), and use shuf to get a pseudo-randomised sample.
- Three issues:
- What format is easiest for you?
I can make a sandbox as suggested, or would an emailed zipped list be better? I will do whichever you prefer. - what sample size do you want?
The total number of articles with potentially bot-fixable bare URLs is currently somewhere the range of 107–112K, so a sample of say 5K pages would give us a sample rate of about 4.5%. I am not a statistician, but I think that should be a reasonably useful ratio for this simple random sampling. - I think it would best to wait until I have data from the 20220520 database, which I should have processed by the evening of Saturday 21 May.
I can easily make a list tagged bot-fixable bare URLs using https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=22127087, but that is a very unrandom sample. Similarly, my regex search for untagged bare URLs is only a rough approximation of the set, and I can get a list of only the first 1,000 results, which is not random. To get the full set, I will need to combine it with my list of "Articles with non-PDF untagged bare URLs", which is the first scan I make of each database dump. The latest scan is now 18 days old, and in that time about 20–30% of its bare URLs have been filled, so I would prefer to use the cleaner fresh list.
- What format is easiest for you?
- Thanks again. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Give me 5,000 to start, and just a list of page names. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 23:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- @AManWithNoPlan: OK, will do. It will be on Saturday evening or Sunday morning, Irish time. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Give me 5,000 to start, and just a list of page names. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 23:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
British Newspaper Archive subscription
Hey BHG, I was wondering if you currently have a subscription to BNA. If you don't I'd be willing to gift you one since I have a feeling you'd get a lot more use out of it for Wikipedia than I would. Mesidast (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Unused template: Is country an EU member state
Do you have plans to use {{Is country an EU member state}}? I've been going through a list of templates with no transclusions, nominating them for deletion, but knowing that you are a competent editor, I thought I would ask first. If you don't need it anymore, you can tag it with {{db-author}}, or I'll be happy to nominate it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- The same question applies to {{Is valid full month name}} and {{Is valid month name}} and {{Is valid short month name}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Dispute on Portal:Iceland declined
The case request that you were a party to, Dispute on Portal:Iceland, has been declined by the Arbitration Committee. You can view the declined case request through this wikilink. For the Arbitration Committee, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Category:Members of the 1st Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly has been nominated for renaming
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Category:Members of the 4th Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly has been nominated for renaming
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Perplexing revert
May I inquire about the reasoning behind this revert of Citation bot's edit to Marie Curie? The only changes made by the bot were a cosmetic template-call-name change and the addition of a (correct, according to my checking) publication date for a referenced webpage, which doesn't seem to me like it warrants reverting. Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 20:47, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Whoop whoop pull up: oops! It was a mis-click, which I have now self-reverted.
- My trackpad was misbehaving and the cursor was jumping around. It tried to revert the bot's contribs list, and I thought that was the only glitch. Sorry for not checking more thoroughly, and thereby wasting your time. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- No worries. :-) Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 21:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for being so nice about my idiocy BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- No worries. :-) Whoop whoop pull up Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes 21:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
AWB Archived Copy
Hi BrownHairedGirl,
I saw a diff https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tooms_Lake&curid=19278627&diff=1089253924&oldid=1087854900 where AWB filled in a bare url that was archived. But it said title=Archived copy. That is not a useful title, and if you see this, you have better take a look at the URL manually to determine the title, and whether indeed there is a copy and not an error screen. AWB needs checking for this sort of modification. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Graeme Bartlett, and thanks for your msg.
- That edit was not a glitch. It was the intended output of an AWB module which I wrote a few months ago, and which I run after every database dump. In all, probably over 15K+ edits like this, maybe as many as 30K. Since my scans of the the 20220520 database dump got underway yesterday, I have done about 2,000 such edits, which is probably all until the next dump on 20220601 (unless I can resolve an edge case that I found on about 500 pages, and which my module currently skips).
|title=Archived copy
is more useful than it first appears. If you look more closely at that edit, see how it did all the tedious clerical work of filling the cite template, including the messy bit of extracting the original URL from the archive URL. That's quite slow work to do manually: I used to allow two minutes per ref to do that and check its accuracy, before adding the actual titles. On some pages with many such refs, that clerical part of the task could take ten or twenty minutes. But my AWB module can do it in seconds, with much higher accuracy than a human. (Certainly more accurate than this human )- The title is a placeholder, which can be replaced by any editor to add the real title in one easy edit .. . which is exactly what @Oculi kindly did to that page in this edit. Note how Oculi did not need to fill a cite template or even add a parameter name: his edit was a very simple one, changing
|title=Archived copy
to|title=Tooms Lake suburb profile
... and hey presto, we have a fully-formed cite. - A lot of en.wp progress is incremental, and having one step of that incremental progress done automatically is a handy way of making life easier for editors.
- That particular placeholder
|title=Archived copy
is used because it is the same one as used by @InternetArchiveBot when it archives a completely bare URL: see e.g. this demo edit on my sandbox. The result of my module's edit is designed to be very similar to IAbot's, with the key differences being that:
- I add
|status=dead
, because the use of a bare archived ref by the editor who added it is a clear indication that they intended the archived copy to be used. - I add and fill the
|website=
parameter, 'cos the module can so that easily.
- Also,
|title=Archived copy
is tracked in Category:CS1 maint: archived copy as title, allowing all sort of ways of identifying its usage within a topic area, and possibly using other tools to fill it. See for example https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=22153143 which finds 40 articles on members of the Oireachtas which currently use|title=Archived copy
. - Hope this helps clarify what I am doing. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Cite twitter event
Hi BHG! We should probably have something like Template:Cite Twitter profile for Twitter events. Chris Packham is an article where it would be relevant. I've reached out as you are the one who figured out how to put the profile one together...would you mind creating one for events and pinging me, please? --TheSandDoctor Talk 17:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @TheSandDoctor! Hope you are well, and that you received my email with the lists for use by @TweetCiteBot. Sorry for hiatus in sending the lists.
- I had not heard of twitter events before, but now I see the example on that page: https://twitter.com/i/events/920211990739587073?lang=en
- They are not very common: only 44 on Wikipedia, of which only 3 are currently bare, but I agree that it probably does need its own template.
- I will investigate later on how to do his BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:23, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Typo in standard edit summary
"Canonicalie" could do with an "s" perhaps? (But it's working: I'll fix Transport in Leeds when not on phone). PamD 06:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks, @PamD!
- I was concentrating too much on debugging my regex, an missed the edit summary glitch. I have fixed the settings now for the next run, tho I think this is always going to be a low-volume job. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Dead links for 2011 Census
Since you are a glutton for punishment , I thought maybe you [or someone you know] might have A Cunning Plan to solve this? Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#Dead links for 2011 census. Feel free to totally ignore if it doesn't interest you. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 10:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- @John, you are a divil
- I took the bait, and have offered[11] my services. Glutton indeed! BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:08, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hoped you might just have something you put in the oven earlier.
- Now I wish I hadn't had that thought! Now forever BHG is a sultry young Nigella Lawson. 😈 John Maynard Friedman (talk) 11:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- More of that "young" stuff, please, @John.
- I am not much younger than Nigella. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Is country an EU member state
Template:Is country an EU member state has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:Is valid full month name
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Is valid month name
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Nomination for deletion of Template:Is valid short month name
Template:Is valid short month name has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
A quick request and question on categories
Hi, i was wondering how "tennis tournaments in Portugal" is present as single page on category, but not in the HotCat list.
Also i would like to know if you have some kind of bot which can fill up the ref, since i saw a lot of bare or essential links on tennis pages (some have just the url, others also the title, and less the date too, and very few the website mentioned).
In case of positive answer, can it be run over all the subpages of a wikipage like this ?
Thanks for your consideration. Opencross (talk) 14:59, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Opencross: your first para makes no sense to me. Please link the page and the category, as requested in the big editnotice at the top of the page.
- As to your second para: I do use a variety of tools to fill bare URL refs. I am trying to cleanup the historical backlog, but sadly tennis is one of the problem areas where there are one or more lazy editors adding lots of bare URLs every day. It's very tedious trying to keep ahead of this, and it takes a lot of work.
- I suggest that you try using WP:REFLINKS. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:12, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- On first matter:
the link of the category is this. HotCat ignore its existence, apparently.Now it's visible on the HotCat list. - On the second matter: i know, i tried to nudge on how to proper fill the refs, giving example, posting the wiki template, etc. Apparently there is no "mandate" to fill the ref, so i cannot enforce it on admin side. But those links are still.. unwatchable, with no website to check reliability and date to check if they are updated, and so on. It's a cumbersome situation, lately out of proportion. This is why i was thinking about the recurring use of some bot to circumvent if possible the problem altogether.
- Hmm, i tried reflinks over this and it gives zero needed results ( no subpages, then?!?). I also tried it on a single page like this (as you can see there is a bare link at its bottom) and, well, the bot says it's ok as it is. Am i doing something wrong? Opencross (talk) 15:40, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- On first matter:
Your pronouns say "her" did you forget she? That one is also a pronoun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.120.0.144 (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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Citation Bot data for Zotero
Here are the first copies. They are big. Note that fail could be for any reason and could be transient.
https://citations.toolforge.org/ZoteroWorked.1
https://citations.toolforge.org/ZoteroFailed.1
June events from Women in Red
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Category:Leisure activity vehicles has been nominated for deletion
Category:Leisure activity vehicles has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:10, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Way to freeze archive dates?
In this edit you processed a bunch of archive.org links into {{cite web}} invocations, which did preserve the archive dates, but I am wondering if this will bring it in conflict with other scripts? For example, is there anything that will try to "auto-update" archive URLs to the most recent? If so, is there a way to "lock in" the current URLs and prevent such updating? The reason I ask is because the cited archive URLs are being used to cite statements about what was on the website during particular periods of time. jp×g 18:47, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Alphabetization
Hello, hello, hello! Do you have any idea why the number 1983 at this category page is not being put in alphabetical order with the other numbers? Cheers. Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:00, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Anythingyouwant: Because the 1983 article has a DEFAULTSORT of "United ... " which makes it file under "U", and the others don't. PamD 22:26, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Is it okay if I get rid of the default sort, or should I just leave it as-is. I think it would be kinda nice if it got listed with all the other numbers. Anythingyouwant (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Anythingyouwant I've over-ridden the defaultsort for this one Category. Looking at other cats like Category:Crimes in Washington, D.C, filing by the word after the year seems more common. PamD 22:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)