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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not change the target of the redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for both potential closers and participants.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
- It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first or that it has become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the
suppressredirect
user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves. - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}
.
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.
Closing notes
- Details at: Administrator instructions for RfD.
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
I. | Tag the redirect.
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II. | List the entry on RfD.
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III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors to the redirect that you are nominating the redirect. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
Current list
May 27
Kay eff cee
- Kay eff cee → KFC (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't think this redirect is necessary. We don't need to redirect the phonetic transliteration of "KFC" as the pronunciation is quite obvious. Also, usually redirects could be used for common misspellings/typos instead. 747pilot (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Double Triple Bossy Deluxe
- Double Triple Bossy Deluxe → List of SpongeBob SquarePants characters#Bubble Bass (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Fienberg-Fisher Elementary School
- Fienberg-Fisher Elementary School → Miami-Dade County Public Schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am unsure about its missionality. Likely redirected due to lack of notability. The target doesn't mention the school. I propose a deletion. 168.221.157.39 (talk) 13:33, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Miami-Dade County Public Schools as a {{R to list entry}}. Jalen Folf (talk) 18:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Hurricane Horntails
- Hurricane Horntails → Quidditch (real-life sport)#Hurricane Horntails (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Term not mentioned at target article. Redirect was a short lived stub for a mere two hours in 2011 before it was merged, and then it targeted a section within the Quidditch article but was removed. CycloneYoris talk! 23:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 06:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
History of institutions
- History of institutions → Institution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It does not seem as though the target article contains any specific information about its history. Readers searching this term will not find what they are looking to find. Steel1943 (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep - the section on Social science perspectives does obliquely discuss the historical formation of institutions at a very theoretical and abstract level. I'm uncertain as to whether that's enough to satisfy a reader or whether deletion to encourage article creation would be preferable. signed, Rosguill talk 20:27, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This article ought to exist as its own topic. I think... thus, well, it appears best to have the text red. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 06:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
MOS:IBID
- MOS:IBID → Wikipedia:Citing sources#IBID (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect target is not a part of the Wikipedia Manual of Style. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 03:45, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. When this redirect was created the target material was in the MOS. After much rearrangement and re-targeting this redirects to the target of WP:IBID. There are a only few uses on talk pages and archives. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Targeted section was previously in the MOS. Nothing whatsoever gained from deletion, some links broken by deletion. A7V2 (talk) 10:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 06:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Warren Ferguson
- Warren Ferguson → List of The Andy Griffith Show characters#Recurring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This title, currently pointing to List of The Andy Griffith Show characters, is a minor character appearing in one season of the show. Although the page gets more views than Warren J. Ferguson, I would propose that a real judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit is historically more significant than a fictional little-seen Mayberry deputy. I would at least have a disambiguation page at this title. BD2412 T 05:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment While he was only in one season of the show, he is a recognizable character (and reprised the role in other shows) so there is some degree of notability. It actually wasn't originally a redirect. There was a page for the character, but it was changed to a redirect primarily because the article was not properly or effectively sourced. But properly rewritten, it could sustain an article. I can agree that with more than one Warren Ferguson, one could make the case for disambig, but I'll wait to what other comments and/or support/opposition is discussed before committing one way or the other. ButlerBlog (talk) 19:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 06:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget - I agree that this should lead to the real person. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. I wouldn't say the character was "minor" as he was the replacement for the co-star. I wouldn't be surprised if the character was more recognizable than the judge and might be the PT, but a dab will suffice. MB 05:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 06:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Ephiel tower
- Ephiel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Efel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ephel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiphel tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiffell tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Effle tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Effl tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Fl tower → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Eiffel towre → Eiffel Tower (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Uncommon misspellings. These are "plausible" I suppose so don't qualify for R3. Just doesn't seem very useful to clog our wikilink suggestions and search results with 10 of these though. Note that "towre" looks British at first glance, but my googling indicates that it isn't British, just obsolete. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Nazist state
- Nazist state → Nazi Germany (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Term doesn't sound particularly fluent to me. 951 hits on google compared to 299k for Nazi state, which doesn't have a redirect. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
May 26
"beIN Sports Xtra"
- "beIN Sports Xtra" → BeIN Sports (American TV channel) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete as redirect has quote marks and is very unlikely to be used. Found too late to take care of with a G3. Nate • (chatter) 22:30, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
MAGA
I think this should be retargeted to Make America Great Again, but wanted to first open a discussion. About ninety percent of outgoing page views from Maga are going to the Trump campaign slogan according to WikiNav. Schierbecker (talk) 20:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Make America Great Again might be the primary meaning of Maga as well. Schierbecker (talk) 20:26, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
World's Most Wanted
- World's Most Wanted → The Invincible Iron Man (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Overly vague to be a viable redirect to a comic page. Should likely be deleted as misleading? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
English Clasico
- English Clasico → Liverpool F.C.–Manchester United F.C. rivalry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Can't find reliable independent secondary sources asserting this particular rivalry to be the English Clasico. Iseult Δx parlez moi 16:34, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Surf beach
- Surf beach → Surf, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Surf Beach → Surf, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I added a hatnote to the current target to the Australian localities of Surf Beach, New South Wales and Surf Beach, Victoria but am wondering what, if anything, is the primary topic for this term. It seems very generic, and could simply refer to a beach where people surf? When Surf beach was created it was a redirect to Beach. Also note the only current article to link to either is Woodside Beach, Victoria which links to Surf Beach clearly in the generic sense. A7V2 (talk) 09:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: At the time the redirects were created, the NSW and Victoria pages did not exist yet. As noted, Surf beach was originally created as a redirect to Beach, but I changed it in 2014 after I was reverted for adding a corresponding Template:Redirect on Beach per WP:DIFFCAPS. AFAIK going through Category:Surfing locations, there is no other generic article or list that is specifically about "beaches where people surf", and there cannot be dictionary definitions listed. Of course, it would be fairly easy to be bold and remove the redirect and create a disambiguation page now. All three do not get very much daily page views, a primary topic based on usage is not statistically significant.[2] My question is whether do the NSW and Victoria pages even pass WP:NGEO to warrant separate pages at this time? The only sources cited on those two pages is census information, the geographical names board, and OpenStreetMap without any other independent, third-party reliable sources. But that is probably for another discussion venue. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Kalimna
- Kalimna → Lakes Entrance, Victoria#Description (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Only a passing mention at the current target as they are not the same town. I don't know that the town is notable (and so would benefit per WP:RFD#D10), but there are many other things mentioned in other articles called "Kalimna", such as the full name of Zonocypretta, and a Penfolds vineyard. I think best to delete to allow uninhibited search. A7V2 (talk) 08:20, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Ukrainian Genocide
- Ukrainian Genocide → Holodomor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ukrainian genocide → Holodomor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukraine genocide (2nd nomination) closed with a solid delete consensus and then QueenofBithynia mentioned these redirects on my talk. I took care of the fairly new one, but this one is longstanding and thought it merited discussion so bringing it here. Star Mississippi 13:09, 28 April 2022 (UTC) ETA: I suppose I should explicitly say I'm neutral in this in case merited discussion isn't clear. I'm fine with however this closes. Star Mississippi 16:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The second redirect, Ukrainian genocide, should not have been deleted without discussion. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:36, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- I've restored, courtesy heads up @QueenofBithynia. Thought that one was less controversial since it was so recently created but happy to have it discussed as well. I cannot figure out how to edit the discussion to officially add it. Please do if you know how? Star Mississippi 23:53, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Done Use
{{subst:rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=|target=}}
. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)- Thank you! And for the page edits. Star Mississippi 13:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I think that this longstanding redirect is reasonable. The issue that got the one page deleted was being total WP:OR/WP:SYNTH and lacking notability—the focus of the article's content was on more or less the union of Holodomor and War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which isn't exactly a coherent thing that reliable sources are covering. A similar argument cannot possibly apply to a redirect; there are plenty of sources that refer to the Holodomor as a genocide of Ukrainians, so there's an affirmative reason to keep this page. — Mhawk10 (talk) 00:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- As an addendum to the above, the "thing" in "isn't exactly a coherent thing" is the union of the two topics. A dab page like that proposed below is probably fine (see: WP:Articles for deletion/Ukraine genocide, which resulted in keeping a similar dab page). — Mhawk10 (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate The 2022 crimes are a subject that reliable sources are covering and are the subject of Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, “coherence” notwithstanding. —Michael Z. 16:31, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- For now this should simply be a short "may refer to" page that links to the Holodomor, Holodomor genocide question, and the page about possible genocide in the ongoing war. JJARichardson (talk) 16:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:22, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate – this is a plausible search term for the Holodomor and for the 2022 genocide allegations. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:33, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- To clear up any ambiguity, I think we should either delete this (as with the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukraine genocide (2nd nomination) deletion), but preferably disambiguate (and redirect the former deleted page to the disamb page). --QueenofBithynia (talk) 14:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - With several major countries now referring to the 2022 invasion as a genocide, there's a clear need to turn this into a disambiguation page. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 13:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A draft DAB is needed for closing this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)- Disambiguate as the genocide label is now frequently applied in reference to the war crimes in the ongoing Russian Invasion of Ukraine, and to allegations of genocidal intent in these crimes. Perhaps when the current conflict is resolved, assuming that there is broad consensus that Russia did not commit genocidal violence during the invasion, this can be turned back into a redirect to the Holodomor. But for now, it absolutely needs to be a disaumbiguation page to distinguish the Holodomor from 2022 Genocide allegations. Thereppy (talk) 13:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
One-Eyed Jack (murder victim)
- One-Eyed Jack (murder victim) → List of unidentified murder victims in the United States#Eklutna Annie (murder victim) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted because the relevant content was removed from the target article per the policy of no original research. There is no indication that the subject is of encyclopedic notability (zero independent secondary sources) and that it should have an entry in that list or that a redirect is necessary. 4meter4 (talk) 03:29, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural, redirect was not tagged. I have done so now.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: After only two or three minutes of browsing, it's plainly obvious the nominator is engaging in extensive content warring at List of unidentified murder victims in the United States, including accusations of OR and threats to involve ANI at every possible turn. Here is the source backing the content removed by the nominator. This is another example of Wikipedia as a haphazard collision of competing agendas. In what alternate universe does something published by the United States Department of Justice not constitute a reliable source? The only possible OR here is the name "One-Eyed Jack", something which hasn't been established through such reckless, indiscriminate deletionism. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 17:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, despite concerns raised by RadioKAOS above, if there isn't a source establishing that there was a victim known at One-Eyed Jack, this redirect is not appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 17:55, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Procedural relist to allow closing the May 12th log page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
DNA experiments
- DNA experiments → Scientific method#DNA-experiments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- DNA experiment → Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Added. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
The current target of this redirect is rather surprising/astonishing since it's not about the actually subject of "DNA experiments", leads to a subject named "DNA experiment", or a list of experiments using DNA. I would have to believe there's a better target, but I'm not sure what. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator comment: For reference, a search for the term "DNA experiment" (DNA experiment doesn't exist) returns several examples of experiments that utilize DNA. In regards to an actual retargeting option for this redirect, what seems to be the best option I found is List of experiments#Biology, but even that does't seem to be good enough since the section includes several experiments not directly related to DNA. Possibly deletion would be the better option here so the search results are not hidden by an existing redirect forwarding readers to a specific page. Steel1943 (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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- ...Umm, not sure how that addresses any part of my concerns with the redirect, but okay, thanks. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I found a short article which has a context section: Shot/reverse shot#Context Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 11:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Ancheta Wis: From my understanding over the years, that's the goal in most cases. (Editors' opinions may vary.) I added a bit to my nomination rationale that may goes a bit further into this reasoning; I fault myself for not being clearer with my rationale initially. Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I thought a redirect was supposed to aid in finding a topic. For example if Soldiers have an informal name for an Army topic, wouldn't it be helpful to create a redirect for the informal name? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So if a redirect to a page such as DNA experiment (scientific method) would satisfy the requirement? I could then create an anchor to the appropriate place in Scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually I saw some of the experiments from the DNA story in this list. DNA is the seed topic for whole industries now. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 22:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) ...And in regards to a page named "DNA experiment (scientific method)", that is disambiguation. One of the basic assumed requirements of a disambiguated title is that the version of it without disambiguation exists, and presently, DNA experiment doesn't exist. Steel1943 (talk) 22:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- If any content were to be added anywhere to satisfy a basic helpful functionality for this redirect (with as little effort possible), it would probably be to add a subsection at List of experiments#Biology by separating the ones listed there which involve DNA, and possibly even add some more "DNA experiments" to that subsection that are not currently listed at List of experiments#Biology (if more are known). Steel1943 (talk) 21:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thus "List of experiments in biology" resembles a disambiguation page, but might actually describe the arc of a narrative? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So how does this redirect case RFD differ from DNA#History? What if DNA experiment were to become a disambiguation page to List of experiments on DNA; Scientific method; DNA#History ?--Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 01:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I can see how concerns about the redirect to a crucial experiment would cover up search results, but wouldn't a disambiguation page (sample above) handle this? Why can't I just start writing such a dab page? Is the rationale for this page meant to include other editors? --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 02:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- So I ran the Nominator's search for DNA experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=DNA+experiment&ns0=1&ns9=1&ns11=1 , and found a useful list which could be exploited (it's actually the first time I have found the Wikipedia Search to be usable): What I refer to is the type of Narrative paradigm called a crosscut, itself a disambiguator page. There is a sport on the Internet called the Wikipedia game, in which every article in the encyclopedia seems to have a root page: philosophy. This game has led to some users to actually edit encyclopedia articles, to keep the Narrative alive. In turn, other editors intervene, to break the chain to philosophy, in a battle between good and evil, an infinite game, or the conflict continuum#Competition continuum, or the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 09:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I hope the following answers your question: If a redirect named List of experiments in biology was created to target List of experiments#Biology, that would make sense since the redirect is targeting a location where the subject of the redirect is located. Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- So the RFD idea/purpose is not about the significance of the term in a context, but about the term per se? Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 21:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, this redirect targeting where it does reminds me of a RFD I started a few years back for a redirect titled "Other liqueurs". (See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Other liqueurs.) The redirect targeted the section List of liqueurs#Other liqueurs, which was essentially just the name of a section header in List of liqueurs, but not about a subject called/named "Other liqueurs". I feel the same is the issue with this nominated redirect: It targets a section titled "DNA-experiments", but it's not actually about the topic of the redirect, but rather the term's use in respect to the subject of the article where the section is placed ... which is unhelpful if a reader is attempting to locate information about the subject of the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Genetic engineering. I can't make sense of the above discussion or the current state of the Scientific method article, but genetic engineering, to me, seems like the obvious topic someone who entered "DNA experiments" in the search box would be looking for. Tevildo (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Proposed Retarget: Added genetic engineering, and additional links, to a new target, a section Experimentum crucis#DNA, experimentum crucis, as an application of the new understanding opened up in succeeding decades, after its discovery by the scientific method. Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 07:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to History of molecular biology, which has the most in-depth information I can find on various experiments relating to DNA. -- Tavix (talk) 16:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to genetic engineering. When I saw the phrase "DNA experiment", genetic engineering was exactly what I thought of. Minkai (boop that talk button!-contribs-ANI Hall of Fame) 00:45, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to History of molecular biology, as examples have been given of DNA experiments that do not involve genetic engineering. Deletion would also be ok in my opinion. signed, Rosguill talk 20:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Duck Ponds
- Duck Ponds → Lara, Victoria (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect has targeted the Lara article since 2005 as it is, according to the article, a former name for the area. However I really don't think this is the primary topic. I'm not sure what is the primary topic (if there is one) however. Presumably it would be either Duck Ponds, South Australia or simply Duck pond. There's a general lack of disambiguation in the "duck pond" area anyway however, so it might be good to have a disambiguation page which could include the plural also, including other terms such as Duck Pond (Judges Guild), Ducky Pond, Duck Pond Run and Duck Pond mine but again I'm not sure. Also note Duck ponds doesn't exist. A7V2 (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Hölder conjugates
- Hölder conjugates → Hölder's inequality (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Conjugate index seems to be a more specific. Alternatively, that page could be merged to this redirect's current target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Functional analyst
- Functional analyst → Business analyst (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target, and might as well refer to a practitioner of functional analysis. 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:27, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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Extreme porn
- Extreme porn → Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Extreme pornography → Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This seems to be a very specific target for a rather generic pair of terms. I don't think these should necessarily be deleted, but there must be a broader target, perhaps to a subsection to be added to Pornography. BD2412 T 05:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both - "Extreme" is too vague of a descriptive label here. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The Act defines "extreme pornographic image" as something distinct from Obscenity at common law, so the expression is an official term of art in UK obscenity legislation. I don't have an opinion on whether this makes it worth a Wikipedia redirect. Tevildo (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pornography#Classification mentions "extreme" fetishism, so I think there is something that exists as a genre, which is probably distinct from what the statute recognizes as an issue. BD2412 T 18:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep both - "Extreme pornography" is specific terminology used in UK law and the most likely search words used to find the legislation. The title for the article about the legislation doesn't mention extreme pornography so will be hard to find without the redirect. IndigoBeach (talk) 19:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Extreme cold
- Extreme cold → Extreme weather (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are kinds of extreme cold that are not particularly "weather" related, e.g., Absolute zero. Perhaps disambiguate in some way. BD2412 T 05:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - It seems better to just let people search. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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Extreme heat
- Extreme heat → Heat wave (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are kinds of extreme heat that are not particularly related to a "heat wave", e.g., the temperatures inside stars, and temperatures achieved in various manufacturing activities and experiments. Perhaps disambiguate in some way. BD2412 T 05:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think there should be something, minimally, linking to extreme heat -- having added a bunch of links through this redirect: much of it is weather related, Sadads (talk) 22:54, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
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Betting odds
- Betting odds → Odds (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to Fixed-odds betting or perhaps Odds#Gambling usage with a hatnote to the former. The term generally implies odds within the context of gambling. Bonoahx (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Refine to Odds#Gambling usage - This seems like a simple case to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:30, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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Tiquan Forbes
- Tiquan Forbes → Chicago White Sox minor league players#Ti'Quan Forbes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 November 10#Ti'Quan_Forbes Joeykai (talk) 03:00, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- File:Navagraham poster.jpg (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] →
Though I am confident this passes WP:G7 since I am the sole creator, to avoid trouble with disagreers, it is best to open a consensus. Moreover, this isn't a title card anymore. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:20, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Chairman of the Board of Veterans' Appeals
- Chairman of the Board of Veterans' Appeals → Board of Veterans' Appeals#Structure of the Board (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Recommend deleting the redirect and returning the article content to the page. All other sub-cabinet officials in this department have an officeholder page (as do most other executive departments). A discussion exists on the Talk:Board of Veterans' Appeals talk page. Respectfully yours, KevCor360 (lets talk) 00:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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UKia
- UKia → United Kingdom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete as an implausible misspelling. Prompted by this discussion. Jr8825 • Talk 17:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I support deletion but I don't think its a misspelling. They were using -ia as a suffix to imply country. Its obviously just a joke redirect (i.e. vandalism) someone made. (almost 19 years ago!) Eopsid (talk) 11:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Classist Queen
- Classist Queen → Yvie Oddly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Floppase
Delete, implausible misspelling. 72.10.126.198 (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Not a misspelling, keep reading the target.
Flippases are described as transporters that move lipids from the exoplasmic to the cytosolic face, while floppases transport in the reverse direction
with a citation to boot. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 03:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Epitipe
- Epitipe → Palindrome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 08:19, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Epitope as a typo. BilledMammal (talk) 09:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. This is one of a handful of redirects to palindrome that are examples of palindromes, but are themselves meaningless. Could also, and perhaps more likely, be a typo of Epitype (redirect to Holotype). Delete to avoid confusion/astonishment. Mdewman6 (talk) 06:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as confusing and a misspelling of at least two wiki articles --Lenticel (talk) 00:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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SLAY
- SLAY → Star Magic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect title is not mentioned whatsoever in the redirect target. Created by an individual blocked for undisclosed paid editing and might be an attempt to game SEO. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 19:15, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Slay is a disambiguation page, and the only item on it in all caps is SLAY Radio. Retarget to the radio station, or if other items in all caps are identified, retarget to the disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 20:21, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to SLAY Radio per above. People might be ASTONISHed to land at a page where "SLAY" isn't even mentioned. Regards, SONIC678 15:23, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Slay Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 16:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to slay (disambiguation) ; aside from the radio station, a common way to style surnames is to ALLCAPS them -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to SLAY Radio, with a hatnote to slay so that the dab is covered too. --Lenticel (talk) 03:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Young Kindaichi’s Casebook
- Young Kindaichi’s Casebook → The Kindaichi Case Files (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Non-standard apostrophe, no incoming links. Already created Young Kindaichi's Casebook as replacement. PetéWarrior (talk) 04:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Harmless. Helps readers find what they're looking for, and it's nearly identical to the one with the standard apostrophe. No reason for deletion. CycloneYoris talk! 09:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Low-calorie
- Low-calorie → Diet food (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Low calorie → Calorie restriction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These two should redirect to the same article. I prefer calorie restriction as more specifically focusing on calories. eviolite (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. The phrase is not specific to either of their targets. Steel1943 (talk) 23:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dieting#Low-calorie looks to be the closest name match. -- Tavix (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget both - I agree that these should go to 'calorie restriction' given the larger context of that article. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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The Demented Cartoon Movie
- The Demented Cartoon Movie → Albino Blacksheep (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As odd as it is, "The Demented Cartoon Movie" actually appears to be the correct name of the movie, which was made by "Albino Blacksheep". The redirect makes sense, though the redirect target itself is in need of improvement. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 00:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- See also the Uncyclopedia entry. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, not mentioned in target, and most likely shouldn't be. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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Musical Genres/Hip Hop
- Musical Genres/Hip Hop → Rapping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
If this oddly-formatted redirect is useful, it ought to target Hip hop music, but I'd lean delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This appears useless to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:18, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - noting that this redirect is from 2002, does it have any historical value? signed, Rosguill talk 18:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Hip hop music as a {{R with old history}} (or rather {{R from subpage}}). -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 12:06, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
N.A.A.M. Brigade
- N.A.A.M. Brigade → Music of Philadelphia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Ram Squad → Music of Philadelphia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:50, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete both. Just as a note, N.A.A.M. might have suggestions to redirect to Meek Mill but it seems that the member Meek Millz of N.A.A.M. is not the same person as Meek Mill and that Meek Mill stopped using Meek Millz after a feud with the Meek Millz in NAAM Brigade. In short, delete both. TartarTorte 20:42, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete N.A.A.M. Brigade / Keep Ram Squad. I do see why creating the Brigade redirect led to a consequence, but the Ram Squad are in no way related and they have a little notoriety. Why can't you just keep one for the sake of unrelation? Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 02:57, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think that Ram Squad could be deleted under WP:REDYES. They likely do have notability, but they're just not covered at all at the Music of Philadelphia page. There's enough coverage about the unsolved killing of Tommy Butta alone for an article. TartarTorte 12:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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ꑭ
- ꑭ → wiktionary:ꑭ (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per WP:SSRT and per just ... why? It's a word in a different language, just like there are millions of words. Fram (talk) 07:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Due to the ongoing Siege of Mariupol (where fighters of the Azov Battalion have been surrounded by the Russian Armed Forces), ꑭ has become a recent Twitter trend, and there's no applicable Wikipedia article for it, so I thought it'd probably be of benefit to create a soft redirect to Wiktionary in case curious readers came looking for it. That's the full extent of my rationale, essentially. --benlisquareT•C•E 07:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- For some extra info, see Ідея нації and Wolfsangel#Post World War II symbolism; people are using ꑭ to represent that symbol in text as it looks similar. It is for sure a plausible search term, though I don't know much about wiktionary redirects so I'll leave it to someone else to !vote on what the appropriate action is. Endwise (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- (ec)If you created this because people might be looking for Wolfsangel but mistakenly, somehow, use the Yi character instead, then why not change this Wiktionary redirect into a redirect to Wolfsangel? Your reasoning seem to be that people are looking for this, using this symbol as a search term (as it is a Twitter tag), and then you would deliberately send them to a Wiktionary page they have no interest in? That makes no sense or at least isn't reader-friendly. Fram (talk) 08:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, a redirect to Wolfsangel could potentially work as well. The Unicode Consortium doesn't consider ꑭ a wolfsangel, however; it fits within the Sichuan Yi Syllables codeblock at codepoint U+A46D. I'll leave it up to everyone else to decide where the redirect should go (or whether it should be redirected at all). I've considered amending wikt:ꑭ to add a short mention regarding the Azov usage, however ultimately opted not to because the rule of thumb provided at wikt:Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion is minimum of one year of attested usage, and ꑭ has not been used for more than a month in the Azov sense. --benlisquareT•C•E 08:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Yi_script#Modern_Yi as a character in that script, with a {{distinguish}} hatnote to Wolfsangel. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment seems to me that this is a Neologism, so WP:NEO is the appropriate guideline. Clearly there are hundreds of twitter posts with the hashtag, but only 12 hits in google news (and none in English), so a redirect somewhere content-related is clearly in order. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Amoy dialect/Negative particles/simplified
- Amoy dialect/Negative particles/simplified → Amoy dialect#Negative particles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
PRODded per WP:NOTDICT and then redirected, but it is not a plausible search term. The former contents already existed in the target at the time of creation, so attribution is not a problem. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting ("They have a potentially useful page history" and "Someone finds them useful"). The page contains simplified Chinese characters that were not present in the target at the time of creation in 2007. Chinese characters were added about four years later in 2011 by another editor to Amoy dialect#Negative particles with modifications from what was in Amoy dialect/Negative particles/simplified. I consider this to be useful content and history that should be preserved. I removed the proposed deletion for Amoy dialect/Negative particles/traditional for the same reason. Cunard (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment These two were bought to light by my new page patrolling and I PROD'd them. I have no issue with them being redirects instead. Stuartyeates (talk) 18:52, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per Cunard. To me the key word in "They have a potentially useful page history" is "potentially". The reason to delete of "unlikely search term" to me is the weakest reason to delete since no actual harm is caused by keeping. Since there is a reason to keep, that should overrule that this is an unlikely search term since, in the unlikely event of someone searching this, they will be taken to what they are looking for. The fact that this has existed at this title for so long is also a reason to keep as we risk breaking external links (again for no real benefit). A7V2 (talk) 03:05, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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Chem-O
- Chem-O → Marine chemistry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Chem-o → Marine chemistry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No evidence this is a common abbreviation for chemical oceanography, which was recently merged with the current target. Could be confused for chemotherapy (suppported by top Google hits) or other topics (perhaps even O-chem). Either delete to avoid confusion, or retarget to the disambiguation page Chemo and add an appropriate entry there for chemical oceanography. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Specific "Chem-o" searches lead to company listings or "chem-o-(something)" events and stuff like "chem-o-halloween" a chemistry inspired halloween event. Alternatively, it can be a weak retarget to chemotherapy as a plausible misspelling--Lenticel (talk) 00:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retargeting to chemotherapy as a misspelling doesn't make sense, given that Chemo does not redirect there. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, I just boldly moved the dab page and made Chemo a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to chemotherapy. But, I still don't think retargeting to chemotherapy as a misspelling is a good choice, if retargeted it should go to the dab page as an ambiguous term. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:52, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retargeting to chemotherapy as a misspelling doesn't make sense, given that Chemo does not redirect there. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Antoun issa Khouri
- Antoun issa Khouri → Antoun (Khouri) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I created this as a temporary page as part of swapping the two pages Antoun Khouri and its redirect Antoun (Khouri). The naming convention for Eastern Orthodox bishops is Firstname (Lastname) so the main article should be Antoun (Khouri) and the redirect should be Antoun Khouri; this redirect is redundant and should be deleted. Xenophore; talk 20:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as this appears to be a valid {{R from full name}} redirect. @Xenophore: as you probably realize now, if the move function won't allow you to move a page, it's not possible to work around that by moving to an intermediate page because redirects will always be left behind, unless the redirect is suppressed, which only page movers and admins can do. Bringing the move to WP:RM/TR as you did was what was needed, except like most moves, it is potentially controversial (given that the page was moved in the past), and the proper thing to do here is to start a requested move discussion, which is where your technical request is likely to end up. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Youssef Zidan
- Youssef Zidan → Kunal Nayyar#Career (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a weird case. This redirect refers to a fictional character, but points to the actor's article. List of NCIS characters and NCIS (season 4) do not mention the character, either. I'd rather redirect to the former, but I imagine some people would want it gone as the article doesn't mention the character by name. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 16:07, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Certainly not what Nayyar is known for, and, in the context of NCIS, a minor character who only appeared in one episode. GrindtXX (talk) 16:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Ihor Zhovkva
- Ihor Zhovkva → Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Igor Zhovkva → Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target (or anywhere else on Wikipedia) but likely notable, and thus should be deleted until editors are ready to add actual information about him to Wikipedia. signed, Rosguill talk 14:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and add to article OR create article - Notable political figure should be mentioned at Ukraine or have their own article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- If he's notable enough for an independent article, that would be an example of WP:R#DELETE reason for deletion #10,
the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
signed, Rosguill talk 14:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- If he's notable enough for an independent article, that would be an example of WP:R#DELETE reason for deletion #10,
- Delete he seems to be the Deputy Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine which might warrant an article --Lenticel (talk) 05:50, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Poor housing
- Poor housing → Slum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Poor housing projects → Affordable housing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The term "poor housing" doesn't seem to be clear on what it is meant to refer. For one, these two redirects target two topics that are almost exclusive from each other, considering Affordable housing is not always part of a Slum. In addition, the phrase seems to not specifically refer to either target of these redirects. (The article Slum does have the phrase "poor hous*" [* = wild card] mentioned a few times, but not in a way where the subject of the redirect and the target are synonyms or identified as a subtopic of the other.) With the current scenario, it would probable be better to delete both of these redirects so that Wikipedia's search function can help readers find what subject they are attempting to locate rather than pigeonhole them into arriving to these articles. (Also, the similar redirect Poor housing project does not exist.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between affordable housing (poor, not rich) and substandard housing (poor, not good) ;; condemned property should probably be in there somehow -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Dabify per anon. I agree that the redirects are vague but I think the proposed dab covers most of its potential uses --Lenticel (talk) 23:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Stirrer (cooking)
- Stirrer (cooking) → Mixer (appliance) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vague redirect. There are several items related to "cooking" that could be used to stir, and neither the current target or any other target (to my knowledge) could specifically be called a "stirrer". Steel1943 (talk) 19:34, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete there are automatic pot stirrers which are not mixers/eggbeaters/dough kneaders -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- keep. I came to this word when processing food and drink data (for the Europeana food and drink project). It's a legitimate food related term. The best target that exists is the current one. The page Mixer (appliance) seems to describe any food mixer, its not limited to egg or dough mixing. I suggest to the previous poster to add a section about pot stirring. Furthermore, "stirring" and "mixing" are synonymous in this context. The only other page mentioning "stirrer" is Magnetic stirrer, which is clearly not appropriate for food. --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 07:04, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I noticed the fact that Stirrer and Stirrer (cooking) both existed prior to making this nomination, as well as the fact that the target of Stirrer has no {{Redirect}} hatnote on it, which it should since Stirrer (cooking) exists. In all honesty, there's probably no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC redirect target for the phrase "Stirrer" in the first place, and the base page probably needs to become a disambiguation page, deleted, or converted to a set index (in that order). However, in regards to the use of the "(cooking)" disambiguator: My initial concern still stands since there are whisks and several spoon-related topics which could also be referred to as "stirrers" since they can be and/or are used to stir. Steel1943 (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Turn Stirrer into a disambiguation page and delete Stirrer (cooking) as unnecessary. The term is too general to ever have a meaningful redirect target. SpinningSpark 12:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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Dasheng
Not mentioned at the target, Internet and Google Scholar searches do not suggest a single primary target associated with this term. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 18:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Consider re-writting as a disambiguation page, please? There are two towns in China called "Dasheng Town", and Emperor Ruizong of Tang has also somewhat a nickname "Dasheng". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wouldn't this fall in the category of "Manifestations of culture with special significance in areas where that language is spoken"? If not, then I would definitely agree that it should be removed. In any event, creating a Dasheng disambiguation page per Liuxinyu970226's suggestion would be an improvement.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 01:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The issue here isn't WP:RLOTE, but the lack of a clear connection between the search term and the target such that we could assume that readers looking for "Dasheng" are likely looking for Mahayana. As Liuxinyu has noted above, there are other things this term could refer to, so disambiguation does seem appropriate. signed, Rosguill talk 20:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Dacheng which contains a list of potential targets, current redirect seems to be a spelling variant. --Lenticel (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Seor
Misspelling of "se'or", an ancient Hebrew word for starter dough that is sometimes compared to sourdough starter. No longer mentioned at the target, as the information was undue (full disclosure: I removed it Special:Diff/1083580388)--delete unless/until duly sourced information can be added somewhere. signed, Rosguill talk 15:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment discussed at five species of grain and Eliminating Ḥametz, maybe we could retarget to one of those. I don't see any other competing meanings for the sentence-case "seor". For SEOR there's a few mentions of the Spanish Society of Radiation Oncology (Sociedad Española de Oncología Radioterápica) but even disregarding WP:DIFFCAPS none of them would make a good target. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Eliminating Ḥametz seems like a good target, and possibly the first time I have ever seen that diacritic in a title. signed, Rosguill talk 00:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, I take that back: Eliminating Ḥametz is a CFORK of Bdikat chametz and should be merged to there. None of the references to se'or seemed mergeable, so now the only mention of it is at five species of grain, which mentions but doesn't really define or discuss se'or, so I'm on the fence about whether targeting there is preferable to deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 13:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Eliminating Ḥametz seems like a good target, and possibly the first time I have ever seen that diacritic in a title. signed, Rosguill talk 00:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete due to a lack of content. The one mention that Rosguill points out is not sufficient enough for a redirect because it is mentioned in passing without proper context. -- Tavix (talk) 22:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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MOS:PSEUDOCODE
- MOS:PSEUDOCODE → Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer science/Manual of style#Algorithms (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This doesn't actually link to the Wikipedia Manual of Style or any sub-entity, which is the purpose of the pseudo-namespace "MOS". It links to an essay, which appears to be an misuse of the pseudo-namespace. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Whether or not the wikiproject should be using the term Manual of Style is not a matter that can be settled by deleting one of the more than ten redirects of this kind which target the article. This shortcut has been used so obviously some users find it useful. And it links to a manual of style so I don't think it's inappropriate. But I emphasise I don't think this is the appropriate venue unless there is some past discussion on something similar. A7V2 (talk) 06:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects for discussion is clearly the appropriate venue for discussing redirects. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- I apologise as I may have misinterpreted your nomination. If the question is in general whether something other than the actual MOS can be called the/a MOS, then that is not something which can be decided here. But failing some broader discussion about pages calling themselves a Manual of Style without being the Wikipedia:Manual of Style, I am of the opinion that this (apparently) useful redirect (to a manual of style) should be kept, and that to say because it's not a link to the Manual of Style it should be deleted is unnecessary bureaucracy. A7V2 (talk) 06:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirects for discussion is clearly the appropriate venue for discussing redirects. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have no preference as to if this should be kept or deleted, but I would note that many other MOS pseudo-prefixed pages link to places that are not WP:MOS. For example, MOS:IBID links to Wikipedia:Citing sources#IBID and MOS:EL links to a DAB with some MOS links but also two non-MOS links. This argument is to some extent WP:WAXy as it is essentially saying X does this and it's fine, but on the other hand I think it does establish that the rules for the MOS: pseudo-namespace are either not comprehensive or not enforced; neither of which are inherently a bad thing. TartarTorte 02:32, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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Erik Young
- Erik Young → Eric Young (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a very old redirect that probably dates from the time that there was only one Eric Young article. Now, given the number of Eric Youngs we have, the redirect to the dab page isn't a good one anymore. agtx 18:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Why should there being a disambiguation page Eric Young mean this should be deleted? It seems a likely search term for any of the people listed on that page. Also I have reverted your removal of the RfD template replacing it with a double redirect to Eric Young (disambiguation), I'm not sure why you did that? A7V2 (talk) 23:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The double redirect appears to be a bug in a disambiguation repair script that I didn't know about. I won't use that feature again.
- As far as the redirect, it felt odd to me to have a "redirect from a misspelling" just because we presently happen not to have an Erik Young article. Isn't there a decent chance a user is looking for an actual Erik Young and winds up confused? agtx 02:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: I think that if it were the other way around (i.e. if the target were Erik Young and the redirect were Eric Young) I would support keep as Eric is a common misspelling of Erik, but I am not convinced of it in the reverse and with there being no Erik Young at target it is a bit of WP:SURPRISE. TartarTorte 00:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep redirect to Eric Young as a {{R from typo}} -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 03:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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Αγήνωρ
- Αγήνωρ → Agenor (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It looks like the topics referred to by the Greek version should be limited to Agenor (mythology), but perhaps Agenor, the primary topic for the name in Latin letters, should be the primary topic for the Greek spelling too. 1234qwer1234qwer4 18:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Gilman Hot Springs, ca
- Gilman Hot Springs, ca → Riverside County, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The re-direct Gilman Hot Springs exists and quite rightly points to Gold Base. This redirect points to a wikilink in Riverside County, California which then links to Gold Base. I'd just re-point it but the duplication of 'Gilman Hot Springs' in the search bar is confusing for readers, there's no other Gilman Hot Springs to disambiguate from and the lowercase abbreviation of 'ca' is odd. Zindor (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Seems unnecessary. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 14:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or retarget to Gold Base. There is also Gilman Hot Springs, California which targets the same section as Gilman Hot Springs. So probably not very useful, considering the forms with proper abbreviation ("CA" or "Cal." or "Ca.") don't exist, but also likely harmless and could be retargeted. But I agree the potential for cluttering of search results that can lead to confusion weighs slightly toward deletion. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:17, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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The Coalition
- The Coalition → Coalition (Australia) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This no longer appears to be the likely WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT given the change of government in Australia. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:26, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - They are commonly known as "The Coalition" even when not in government. Note they were not in government when this redirect was created. A7V2 (talk) 01:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. In Australian politics, the Coalition says in coalition even while in opposition.
- At the next election the media will continue to talk about the Coalition as the main non-Labor political grouping.
- This will remain true even if Labor don't reach a majority and have to rely on the Greens or independents for confidence and supply. (i.e. the presence of a governmental coalition won't change who are refereed to as "The Coalition") Micmicm (talk) 01:24, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- While I do agree that The Coalition will remain the dominant topic in Australia, I don't know if it can be immediately assumed that it's the global primary topic. Several other topics at Coalition (disambiguation) can be referred to as "The Coalition", such as various other (albeit defunct) coalitions in other governmental bodies in addition to The Coalition (company). Just something to think about; my personal opinion is that the current hatnote system is probably fine as none of the other specific topics get nearly as many page views as Coalition (Australia). eviolite (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate as nom. To echo Eviolite, this title is far too ambiguous; though it may be the first thing that comes to mind for Australians, this can't be said to extend to the rest of the world. In the UK, for instance, "The Coalition" is commonly understood to mean the former Cameron–Clegg coalition. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:33, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
HM The King & HM The Queen
- HM The King → King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM King → King (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM The Queen → Queen regnant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- HM Queen → Queen regnant (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These terms are not mentioned in the target article, leaving it unclear why they target their current target. For reference, HM The King has also targeted Monarch and Monarchy during its history. For the two terms at search terms on third party web sites, "HM King" returns results for Henrietta King and "HM The King" returns results for a probably unnotable scotch/whiskey blend. Steel1943 (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Retarget to Majesty, which explains this manner of address and the abbreviation. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 20:14, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Should HM The Queen and HM Queen be added to this discussion? They both target Queen regnant. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:39, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Mx. Granger: Sounds like a plan to me, so I've added them. In regards to why I chose to add them, it's the same reason as my response to the "weak retarget" comment above: WP:XY issues between Majesty and Queen regnant. Steel1943 (talk) 20:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the Kings; Retarget the Queens to Queen because "Queen" is ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep HM The King and HM The Queen (while retargeting the latter to Queen), because they are in fact titles that are used when referring to various European (and in some instances non-European) monarchs and their consorts. Delete both HM King and HM Queen as they are both grammatically incorrect. Keivan.fTalk 04:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget HM The King to Majesty. A search for this term is almost certainly looking for an explanation of the HM component. The "King" component is likely understood by all, but in any case is linked early in the proposed target. Delete HM King per Keivan.f. Likewise for the Queen redirects. SpinningSpark 22:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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Made in Azerbaijan
- Made in Azerbaijan → Azerbaijan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not exactly mentioned in target. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 10:13, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete since not mentioned. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't see how "Made in Azerbaijan" is different to any other "Made in...". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:21, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- If this were to be kept something like Economy of Azerbaijan or the more specific Economy of Azerbaijan#Manufacturing would probably be a better target. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: From a search the term appears to be associated with an initiative of the Azerbaijan Export and Investment Promotion Fund, and that article does briefly mention it, so perhaps retargeting there would be an option. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:01, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Economy of Azerbaijan#Manufacturing: Targeting the country just in general doesn't provide useful information, but it is feasible that someone searching for this term would want to find something about the Manufacturing of Azerbaijan. TartarTorte 14:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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≬
Another pointless Wiktionary symbol redirect. The wiktionary target here is useless, consisting of a single word (the unicode character name) with no attempt at explaining what this symbol actually means or when it is used. This also fails the conditions for soft redirection laid out at WP:SSRT, this is neither a commonly wikified words or a page that has been repeatedly recreated. 192.76.8.77 (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. All single unicode characters should be blue links, and Neel.arunabh has expanded the target at Wiktionary so that it gives an explanation of the meaning and how it is used. The WP:SOFTSP guideline is not a set of requirements that every soft redirect must meet, but a guideline that lists the most common situations where one is appropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, it serves no purpose. Zaathras (talk) 13:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I also think a WP:REDLINK-type deletion would be beneficial because I'm surprised that I can't find a good article for this to target. -- Tavix (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
Results from sister projects
with a link to the Wiktionary page. It's one click from the search page and it's one click via a soft redirect. There's no difference. Also, if your research fails to find anything worthwhile, then it's not going to be a plausible search term and would thus fail the criteria for soft redirects to Wiktionary. -- Tavix (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2022 (UTC)- Firstly every individual unicode character with a defined meaning is a plausible search term, this is widely established (otherwise we would routinely link them in the tables of unicode characters or routinely keep them here. Secondly, there is no exaggeration - search results are not guaranteed to contain links to Wiktionary, nor are they always immediately presented to a searcher (what they see depends what device they are using, how they are navigating and whether they can start new articles; for example someone following a redlink on desktop will be invited to search and/or create an article first and have to choose to look at search results), so even if someone does see the sister projects box, and does immediately recognise that it's the only useful thing they will see from the internal search results, then it's not always just a single click away. Thirdly, I didn't say that my research found anything worthwhile - the internal search engine found nothing relevant, external search engines found content suitable for Wiktionary but not for Wikipedia.
- Finally, not a single benefit of deletion over a soft redirect has been established - even if the Wiktionary article were always one click away after deletion (which it wouldn't be) then it would still offer no advantages over the soft redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Knock it off with the exaggeration. If you search this character, there is a box on the right side that says
- Which, if there is enough to sustain an article (my research has failed to find anything that suggests there is) would be at a title like Between (mathematics) and contain nothing about this character other than a definition. Iff that article is written the by all means retarget it there, but until such time we do people a disservice by dropping people (sometimes after several clicks) into a search results page that will contain no relevant information other than, possibly, a link to the Wiktionary entry we could have taken them to directly and conveniently. Thryduulf (talk) 03:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- The concept of between in mathematics. -- Tavix (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Tavix: What else, other than the definition that now exists at Wiktionary, is there to say about this character? Thryduulf (talk) 20:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I fail to see what is accomplished by deleting this. WP:R#D10 doesn't apply here since nobody would create an article at the Unicode character, and the target does provide significant information on this character. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment - Should all single Unicode characters have an extant page where there is a single reasonable target? That is a good question which cannot be litigated here where through discussions on individual items. Perhaps a wider community discussion on the matter might be a good idea. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Consensus here has long been that individual unicode characters (outside the private use area) are plausible search terms - every time the evidence of page views etc is presented it's clear that people do look up these characters on Wikipedia (and frankly why wouldn't they?). There is no disagreement that when there is a single reasonable target the characters should redirect to that. The disagreement here is over whether there is a reasonable target or not. The other type of disagreement about single characters are over (1) which of multiple reasonable targets is best; and (2) whether a red link/search results are better than (one or more) target(s) that are alright but not great. Thryduulf (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Do not close prematurely. The example currently used in Wiktionary does not make any sense and is not attested anywhere; likely just a (misguided) attempt to apply the name "between" literally. See wikt:Wiktionary:Tea room/2022/May#≬. Right now, it seems that we are redirecting to a page that consists of nothing but the Unicode character name and unverifiable, likely factual errors; I'm not comfortable having the discussion end before a conclusion on what the symbol actually means (if it does mean anything standard). eviolite (talk) 13:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Template:Absatz
- Template:Absatz → Template:Clear (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This template name is written in German, I don't think this is necessary. Q28 (talk) 03:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I created it explicitly because it was needed, by someone copying a German article to the English Wikipedia. It should probably be made into a subst-only template that is converted by a bot to {{clear}}, following the model of {{Kaynakça}} and {{각주}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep. It's actually in use and if it's useful for transwikying then there is no reason not to keep it. SpinningSpark 11:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Replace with a substitution only wrapper. I am going to take Jonesey95's word that this is useful for translating articles and should be kept in some form, but I think this would work better as a wrapper template than a redirect. In my opinion templates on the English Wikipedia should use English language names that are recognisable to the majority of editors - if you were editing an article and came across {{Absatz}} I don't think it would be obvious what the template was. Having a bot replace them with english wikipedia equivalents seems like a good compromise. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 09:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or make into a substitution only wrapper. At no point should a template with a non-English name or a template with non-English parameter names be used in pages. Editors shouldn't need to guess or investigate what a template does. Gonnym (talk) 10:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Terry Pearce
- Terry Pearce → List of Test cricket umpires (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous redirect. Many other non-notable people with the same name exist and are mentioned at Hampstead Scientific Society#Hampstead Observatory, 2016 World Masters Athletics Championships Men#M60 2000 metres steeplechase, Australia at the 1992 Paralympic Games for Persons with Mental Handicap#Futsal, and 2015 Bracknell Forest Borough Council election.
A disambiguation page is not suitable; the search function will be more useful and maintainable if readers are looking for one of these individuals. BilledMammal (talk) 00:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard, Schwede66, NealeWellington, Sammyrice, Wjemather, NZFC, NiklausGerard, Rugbyfan22, No Great Shaker, Ficaia, Alvaldi, StickyWicket, and Rhododendrites: Ping AFD participants, in line with this notification. BilledMammal (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose While the AfD said that there was "no clear consensus on a redirect", WP:COMMONSENSE would support the redirect over the other people with this name, none of whom have an article either. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 07:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Can you explain why the redirect should go here, rather to other people with this name? BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose any change I think, partly because I don't really understand what's up for discussion here. The incoming links seem clean to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Because there are many other equally valid targets. Readers searching for one of them will be astonished to end up at List of Test cricket umpires. BilledMammal (talk) 07:43, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lugnuts and Blue Square Thing. Terry Pearce was a Test cricket umpire so the target page is entirely appropriate. We don't have any other articles about anyone with this name (or Terence Pearce) so, as Lugnuts says, the current solution is the common sense one. I fail to see how this can be an issue. Thanks for the ping, btw. NGS Shakin' All Over 10:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support deletion, as there are several other "Terry Pearces" mentioned in different articles, and I don't think this particular Terry Pearce is any more notable than the others. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Subject was the main Terry Pearce article, there was a suitable list article to redirect to too save the article history per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't believe we can go from now having no article about the person to now not even having a redirect from them. There is other Terry Pearce out there but they didn't previously have an article and we should be saving the history of the previously created one.— NZFC(talk)(cont) 20:10, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Given that this individual is not notable, why does previously having an article mean that they should have a redirect when it risks astonishing readers looking for the builder, the runner, or the politician? I also note that preserving this redirect will not preserve the history - that has already been deleted. BilledMammal (talk) 01:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There's no need for a disambiguation page between people without articles, but given this is ambiguous it should be deleted. A7V2 (talk) 02:37, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as ambiguous, or create disambiguation page. It is unsurprising that some members of the cricket project would want the redirect to go to a cricket article, but none of the people mentioned in WP articles are sufficiently notable for a standalone article and there is no evidence to suggest this umpire should be the primary topic and that readers would be looking for him above any of the others; indeed most readers may be surprised to find themselves looking at a list of umpires. Arguments about article history are invalid since the article was deleted at AFD, confirming the lack of notability of the umpire; and the incoming redirects are there due to the deleted article, so they have no relevance either. A redlink is preferred in these situations. wjematherplease leave a message... 06:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. Don't see why not; a dab page between non-articles is okay. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 06:32, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I supported a redirect in the AfD, but if there are other lists that include non-notable individuals by the same name, that we've recently decided this Terry Pearce isn't notable isn't a good reason to declare this Terry Peace more notable than the others. No opinion on disambiguating -- other people have a better sense of the style rules around dabs than I do. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix (talk) 17:28, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate per consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 22#Arthur Harley. Strong oppose keeping, as it makes no sense; there's no reason to make one non-notable target more prominent than other equally valid and equally non-notable ones. eviolite (talk) 13:29, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Diphosphorus trisulfide
- Diphosphorus trisulfide → Phosphorus sulfides (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of any P
2S
3 (the formula used on the page before being redirected) at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 11:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. This is a real compound, though certainly not a common phosphorus sulfide. The stub that was WP:BLARed was unsourced and pretty much just linked the name with its molar mass, but it's plausible it could be expanded. So either add a sourced mention to its current target, or restore the stub and send to Afd to either improve and expand or WP:TNT and WP:REDYES it to encourage creation of a more complete article. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Hs
- Wikipedia:Hs → Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This nearly-unlinked-to shortcut should be re-targeted to Wikipedia:High schools to match Wikipedia:HS. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:21, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom, seems reasonable and logical. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:49, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
WinPhone
- WinPhone → Windows Phone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
R3-esque? I didn't want to tag it without input from others though Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:42, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
AMD Athlon XP 3200+
- AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+ → List of AMD Athlon XP processors#Athlon XP "Barton" (Model 10, 130 nm) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- AMD Athlon XP 3200+ → List of AMD Athlon XP processors#Athlon XP "Barton" (Model 10, 130 nm) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unnecessary redirect for a single model of CPU out of hundreds. This is the only one that has its own redirect. Zerranto (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "(tm)" version of the redirect -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep "AMD Athlon XP 3200+" is is a topic of the list. tag as {{R to list entry}} -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete (tm) per above, and keep the other one (I've tagged as IP suggested) Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
St. Rose of Lima Parish in Chula Vista
- St. Rose of Lima Parish in Chula Vista → Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no information of this subject either at the current target or at Chula Vista, California: without a mention a reader can learn nothing about it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's mentioned at List of churches in the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego#South County, albeit with little info. Also, this was a result of a WP:BLAR, though the article had had no sources since 2009. eviolite (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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New Tretyakov Gallery
- New Tretyakov Gallery → Tretyakov Gallery (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Proposing deletion. New Tretyakov Gallery is a separate building located at a different location than the Tretyakov Gallery. — Golden call me maybe? 19:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - the New Tretyakov Gallery is administratively part of the Tretyakov Gallery and we have a section in that article on the New Tretyakov Gallery - Tretyakov Gallery#Gallery of modern art. We also have a single line stub article on the Central House of Artists, Moscow, which existed as an art gallery and venue before becoming part of the Tretyakov Gallery in 1985, at which point it was shared between the artists' union and the Tretyakov, where it housed the gallery's 20th century art collections. It was named the New Tretyakov Gallery in 2015, and the artists' union moved out in 2019, leaving it entirely in the hands of the Tretyakov. Until the New Tretyakov Gallery redirect is turned into an article along the lines of ru:Новая Третьяковка (which I have been mulling over doing) then the redirect should remain to the Tretyakov Gallery article as a valid search term giving useful information on the topic. Spokoyni (talk) 01:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
African Star Treaty Alliance Group
- African Star Treaty Alliance Group → African Central Bank (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Created from scratch as a "redirect with possibilities", presumably because the target page at the time mentioned it. I can find no evidence that this organization exists, or any references at all outside of Wikipedia. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AFRA Commission. IMSoP (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
INLA
- INLA → Irish National Liberation Army (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Having just accepted Integrated nested Laplace approximations as an AfC submission, I propose retargeting there and hatnoting the previous target. The new page seems to see primary usage on general search results and scholar search. On the other hand, there are plenty of incoming links, so I would like to hear others' opinions rather than retargeting unilaterally. Felix QW (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate aside from these two topics, there's also Iraq National Library and Archive -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 02:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate (drafted). Not clear there exists a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here either by long-term significance or usage in reliable sources. Almost all the Google Scholar results are about Integrated nested Laplace approximations, while almost all the Google News hits are about the current target. Google Books favours the former, but not very heavily (about 7-to-3). There's also InlA (Internalin) which is about 5% of my Google Scholar results. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak redirect All of the links I just disambiguated were to the Irish National Liberation Army. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 05:10, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Doctors (2016 TV series)
- Doctors (2016 TV series) → The Doctors (South Korean TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The title of the series is The Doctors, so having this as a redirect is not beneficial for searchers. – DarkGlow • 09:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This is also a plausible way to refer to the series-people might forget the "The" at the beginning of the title-as also shown with the arguments (mine included) at a discussion in January last year about "The War of the Worlds" as another name for the 2005 film War of the Worlds, redirects don't have to show the exact title as long as it's plausible. Plus, it's still getting a good number of pageviews (currently standing at an average of four per day), so I don't really see the point in inconveniencing a lot of readers who're searching for that TV show. Regards, SONIC678 17:57, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as seems plausible. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 18:57, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the Korean doesn't have the definite article -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 02:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I wanna die
- I wanna die → List of suicide crisis lines (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Noble idea, but this is an unlikely search term. Chase (talk | contributions) 22:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- I want to say keep because it is doing no harm. It does probably violate a rule, but unless there seems like there would be a more suitable target it's a cheap redirect and I'll just invoke IAR because my argument is not policy based. TartarTorte 01:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
DeleteWeak delete. I see the good spirit in it, but it's not a title or subject match, and is essentially an Easter egg. Steel1943 (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)- Changed to "weak delete" since yeah, I definitely understand the WP:IAR reason to "keep" per everyone who has participated thus far, but it still has the non-encyclopedic issues I mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, for what it's worth, WP:SUICIDE redirects to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm, which includes a link to meta:Mental health resources. If this redirect is not deleted, we may want to consider redirecting readers to a page that is not an article so it seems more "official", such as one of the two aforementioned pages. Steel1943 (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Changed to "weak delete" since yeah, I definitely understand the WP:IAR reason to "keep" per everyone who has participated thus far, but it still has the non-encyclopedic issues I mentioned. Steel1943 (talk) 12:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - WP:IAR to save redirect which may help in suicide prevention.--06:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaranoFan (talk • contribs)
- Keep. There is a slight chance this redirect could help someone and I can't find anything when searching that this would be in the way of. So what we have is a redirect that at worst is harmless and at best could save a life. Given that, I cannot see any justification for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 07:57, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - While a noble effort, i believe that this is an unlikely search term, as shown by the two pageviews and the Google trends — Preceding unsigned comment added by HeartGlow30797 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR. I agree that we are building an encyclopedia but if there's a life on the line then I think we can temporarily ignore that. --Lenticel (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete while definitely well-intentioned, there is little to no chance of anybody searching for this phrase when looking for phone numbers, and trying to use WP:IAR as a basis for keeping is frankly just a cheap cop-out. It's not beneifical at all and makes no sense to have redirects whose title cannot even be found within the target page (and I cannot think of a plausible place to implement it). SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:15, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep, takes readers to the article they want/need to get to.— J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 23:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)- Strong Delete (or maybe disambiguate). Sorry, but I see a zero chance of someone trying to find a suicide hotline while typing this in. On the other hand, there are a few minor references of this phrase so search results would be better here (eg: Heavy Heavy Low Low, You'll Never Tame Me, Tales from Wyoming, 60 Second Wipe Out). I'd be open to disambiguating, but it'd be a bit too trivial for my tastes. -- Tavix (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep / retarget to something like Wikipedia:Responding_to_threats_of_harm - see WP:SUICIDE for a precedent. ObsidianPotato (talk) 00:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm, where readers would benefit from the information that this page provides, in case they do find themselves in need of seeking professional help. CycloneYoris talk! 08:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: too vague (e.g. title of numerous songs). Veverve (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. The target is not the encyclopedic topic for this expression. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR as above - does no harm. Hentheden (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Don't keep the scientific jury is still out on whether crisis hotlines are effective are helpful at all; while well-intentioned, the current target is non-neutral and could come off as condescending. Deleting would be fine IMO, as would the retargeting suggestions. I could also see this being a crude but plausible attempt by a reader to find thee article for Suicide, so that can be considered as a possible target as well. signed, Rosguill talk 22:52, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Rosguill. I don't believe a CNR is helpful in this instance, as that info page is geared towards editors rather than readers – probably not helpful for readers to contact WMF or admins. eviolite (talk) 19:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment although I supported for keeping the target, I'm also fine with retargetting to Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm. --Lenticel (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify. There are several articles that might see this useful as a dab page, including I Wanna Die in Los Angeles, Spawn (1997 film)#Soundtrack (which contains the song "No Remorse (I Wanna Die)"), and Reverence (song) (which infamously uses the phrase). I would think it fully appropriate to include a hatnote in the dab for WP:IAR reasons, but I think that the current hard redirect runs into WP:ASTONISH issues and wouldn't be significantly more effective at getting people to click on the suicide hotlines page than having the text in a hatnote on a dab page. — Mhawk10 (talk) 04:41, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. In the event someone is contemplating dying, this would actually be a useful redirect as although they might not be looking for this page exactly, it would indeed be helpful, just not in the "traditional" sense of Wikipedia. Case in point, WP:EMERGENCY provides a mental health resource link if the person on the page is in the same situation I described earlier. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- I hate to add another proposal here, but I think it could be a good compromise. Rosguill points out that Suicide is a plausible target here. That article has, by special community override in 2019 of WP:NODISCLAIMERS and MOS:HATNOTE, a hatnote link to Suicide prevention. In other words, retargeting to Suicide would still satisfy the core of what the keep side wants here, without some of the identified downsides of directing people to a particular kind of resource. As such, I suggest we retarget to Suicide. I'll note that, like Tavix, I see the potential DAB targets as not meriting a DAB here. But the same logic of this retarget suggestion could be applied to a DAB, just having its lede sentence be "I wanna die is a phrase often associated with desire to commit suicide, or even copying the hatnote from the suicide article (which also appears at Suicide methods). -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate - This is a tough case. I'd prefer that, as stated above, we create a disguambiguation page, particularly since there's a semi-notable song with this title. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete for lack of any other acceptable solution; the disamguation page does not work since every entry is either a PTM or does not mention the phrase and I don't find the IAR argument for keeping to be convincing. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:00, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Special military operation
- Special military operation → Special operations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect was created after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022. President Putin described the military operation as a "special military operation".
A "special military operation" is not a synonym for "special operations". Special operations is a term for the military activities conducted by special forces. The List of military special forces units has three definitions of special operations.
A books search in a past discussion found that the phrase had been used pre-2022. The phrase had been used to describe or name various military operations.
The redirect should be to On conducting a special military operation or be deleted. Melbguy05 (talk) 12:32, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Become a disambiguation page [3]--Sunfyre (talk) 08:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to On conducting a special military operation as the primary topic, but add a hatnote linking to Special operations for other uses of the term. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: Google books has a few instances of special military operation being used as a synonym for special operations and many instances of the use of the adjective special to label a conventional military operation as a special military operation. Special military operation is overwhelming used in reference to the Indonesian government/military term Daerah Operasi Militer (Indonesian). Google scholar is the same as Google books. Daerah Operasi Militer has been translated as area of special military operation, special military operation area and special military operation zone. The government declared two regions with separatist movements Aceh and Irian Jaya as DOM and later revoked the status. If there was a Daerah Operasi Militer article, or a section in an article, it would be worthy of a hatnote not special operations.--Melbguy05 (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)-
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- Retarget to On conducting a special military operation with hatnote. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:46, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Googl
Should this point to Alphabet Inc. (Nasdaq: GOOGL) instead? Goog, GOOG and GOOGL all pointed to the publicly-traded holding company. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 04:30, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- No I doubt people are looking for Google's parent company if they accidentally skip a keystroke at the end of Google's name without going all caps. I think this should be kept as WP:RTYPO. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 07:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete Could also be a typo for Googol or Nikolai Gogol (where Gogol points to). - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:22, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Weak delete per Champion. Veverve (talk) 23:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Alphabet Inc.: I think that the argument of {{R from stock symbol}} makes sense. We already have a {{redirect2}} to google from the top for GOOG and GOOGL anyways, so I don't think it would be a particularly harmful redirect for those looking for google who forgot to type the e. TartarTorte 23:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RTYPO and as the fairly obvious primary topic. A hatnote regarding the stock ticker can be added if deemed necessary; retargeting to the Alphabet Inc. would be my second choice. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Real vampires
- Real vampires → Vampire (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Vampires aren't real, but in any case Vampire (disambiguation) does not disambiguate the term. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Vampire lifestyle. SpinningSpark 22:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete As overly vague. Just because someone is living in a manner similar to a vampire does not mean they are a "real" vampire - the closest to that is animals like vampire bats. Overall there is no obvious target for it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. When I saw "real vampires" the first thing that came to my mind would be (real) people that were believed to be vampires, like Elizabeth Báthory or Vlad the Impaler. This is sort of discussed at Vampire. Some other plausible if unlikely things someone searching this might be looking for, eg Vampire lifestyle and various vampire animals are also at the current target. Other potential articles someone might be looking for are Clinical vampirism (certainly "real"), or even Blood as food or Hematophagy. Perhaps those last three should be added to the see also section of Vampire (disambiguation)? A7V2 (talk) 12:13, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep - I agree with CycloneYoris. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- @CoffeeWithMarkets: @CycloneYoris relisted this discussion, but it doesnt appear that he !-voted in this discussion. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 02:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Zxcvbnm's points, overly vague. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 17:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Dendrobaena veneta
- Dendrobaena veneta → Dendrobaena hortensis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Not fully synonymous Artoria2e5 🌉 03:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Steve Irwin (attorney)
- Steve Irwin (attorney) → 2022 United States House of Representatives elections in Pennsylvania#District 12 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A redlink is more useful than a WP:SELFRED that's only used on the target page (and on Lee's article, which has a separate link to the same section). ― Tartan357 Talk 23:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree. The individual appears notable. The text ought to be red. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
LakeFeperd
- LakeFeperd → Sonic: After the Sequel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misleading. The article predominantly covers the game in question, not its creator. LBWP (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Not a valid reason for deletion. If the creator is only known for his work, then redirecting his name to the work is the right thing to do per WP:BIO1E. Regards
- Keep per User:SoWhy CaptainGalaxy 12:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - The creator is not otherwise notable, and there is quite a bit about him at the target. A7V2 (talk) 01:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Sonic Chrono Adventure
- Sonic Chrono Adventure → Sonic: After the Sequel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misleading. The redirect only receives two mentions in the article. LBWP (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. The nom literally gave the reason why this redirect should stay. CaptainGalaxy 12:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Only mentioned in passing, anyone searching this would be confused why they have been taken to this article, and would be unlikely to find what they were looking for. Would be best if a section could be added to List of unofficial Sonic media, however. A7V2 (talk) 01:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is added to that list, we can always retarget it there. But until then, a little bit of information is better than none. Regards SoWhy 10:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- There isn't really any information though. It is just a passing mention, the kind that would warrant a link if this had an article. Someone searching this would be left confused as to why they came to this page, and shouldn't have to waste their time reading the whole article (or using ctrl+F) to find why they were taken to the target. If this was deleted, then search would turn up the current target but with the added context about this being a sequel right there in the search. A7V2 (talk) 02:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is added to that list, we can always retarget it there. But until then, a little bit of information is better than none. Regards SoWhy 10:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Sonic: Before the Sequel
- Sonic: Before the Sequel → Sonic: After the Sequel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misleading. The redirect is not the subject matter of its target. It does receive some brief coverage in the List of unofficial Sonic media page, which could serve as a suitable retarget. LBWP (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of unofficial Sonic media: Unlike Chrono Adventure, Before the Sequel has more of a description in List of unofficial Sonic media than in After the Sequel. However, I don't see it as misleading to redirect it to After the Sequel. CaptainGalaxy 12:18, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of unofficial Sonic media#Fangames where this game is discussed. A7V2 (talk) 01:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Kirby's Dream Land 4
- Kirby's Dream Land 4 → Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Kirby's Dream Land 5 → Kirby's Return to Dream Land (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Misleading, as both terms are not mentioned in their respective target articles. They do share similarities in that both are traditional Kirby games for home gaming consoles, with Kirby 64 following 1997's Kirby's Dream Land 3, but nothing in the articles indicates that these were meant to be direct sequels. LBWP (talk) 23:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, the redirects don't even make sense. 64 doesn't even majorly take place in Dreamland, and there had been many games inbetween the release of 64 and Return. If anything, Return is a sequel to Kirby's Adventure, if you go by the European name. (Though, it also should not be called Kirtby's Adventure 2 either) CaptainGalaxy 12:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Gold Derby Awards
- Gold Derby Awards → Gold Derby (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The original Gold Derby Awards article was deleted in 2020 because they were deemed non-notable. However, this redirect was quickly created after the article's deletion. Since MOS:FILM#Accolades states that (generally) awards should be mentioned if they have a corresponding article, this allows the awards to be mentioned elsewhere despite lack of notability. I think people searching for "Gold Derby Awards" would reasonably be led to Gold Derby, so the redirect does not need to exist, in my opinion. RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Corresponding page existed since 2016 in one for or another, so external pages linking to it is likely. Is a plausible search term and useful to have. The argument from MOS:FILM#Accolades is incorrect since a redirect is not an article, so this page does already not qualify. If people add the awards to other articles despite that, the problem lies with those edits, not with the existence of the useful redirect. Regards SoWhy 09:42, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - The awards are discussed at length in the target, so of course this is a valid redirect. If there is some tangential issue perhaps the MOS could be clarified to say "(not including redirects)" or something like that. A7V2 (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- The target article discusses the awards at length, but it should probably be vastly trimmed; all of those sections are attributed to primary sources, so including such detailed analysis is probably undue. RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- As long as the target article discusses the awards at all, the redirect makes sense. And I don't see any reason why the target should not discuss the awards at all. Regards SoWhy 15:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- If it is undue or irrelevant (I'm not saying it is or isn't) then it should be removed, and then the redirect could be deleted. But given that it is discussed at the target, of course the redirect is suitable. Redirects are not content. They just lead to content. A7V2 (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- The target article discusses the awards at length, but it should probably be vastly trimmed; all of those sections are attributed to primary sources, so including such detailed analysis is probably undue. RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Harvard bus tunnel
- Harvard bus tunnel → Harvard station#Bus tunnel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a miscapitalization of a proper noun, and the redirect already exists at the proper capitalization at Harvard Bus Tunnel. We don't need a redirect from a grammatical error when the same redirect without the grammatical error already exists. I attempted to CSD G6 this, but it appears there's some disagreement about whether or not this is noncontroversial (I personally think it is; deleting grammatical errors that serve no unique purpose shouldn't be controversial), but since it appears it is controversial, here we are. Nick Boppel (talk) 15:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – The assertion that it's a proper noun is not supported, and it's in use by numerous Wikipedia articles that mention the Harvard bus tunnel. Deleting it would break all those links. And even when the capitalization of a redirect is wrong, we generally leave them to make linking attempts work. Dicklyon (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose: There is zero reason to delete this. Regardless of which capitalization is correct, redirects are cheap. We have {{R from other capitalisation}} specifically because redirects from capitalization variations are useful for avoiding accidental redlinks. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - no valid reason to delete. This is exactly the kind of thing that people would disagree about/not be sure about whether the "bus tunnel"/"Bus Tunnel" part is a proper noun, but generally incorrect capitalisation is not a reason to delete a redirect anyway. A7V2 (talk) 10:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Ytterbium dodecaboride
- Ytterbium dodecaboride → Ytterbium#Borides (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose – Even though it's not mentioned at the target, it is a name within the group discussed there, and points the way toward future improvement. Dicklyon (talk) 16:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment There is no longer a section or anchor for borides, but YbB12 definitely exists and could be mentioned at the target. ComplexRational (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (ie oppose delete) - Seems I created the redirect, and made the target section [empty at that time] (but it was quickly deleted : "14:05, 16 September 2018 DePiep 38,043 bytes −92 →Borides: could be OK & GF but not as an empty section") - I'm inclined to undo the deletion of the target empty section, and look for the sources that prompted me to create the redirect in the first place. - Rod57 (talk) 09:53, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
AlF
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Big Bang Theory
- Big Bang Theory → The Big Bang Theory (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ngrams shows that prior to the release of the TV show this capitalization had about half the uses of the more common "Big Bang theory". Given the frequent use of this capitalization for the theory, the clear primary topic by long term significance for "Big Bang Theory" is the theory, and the redirect should be retargeted there. BilledMammal (talk) 11:56, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: a check of "Big Bang Theory" on Google scholar shows that many of the references are specific to the TV show, rather than the scientific theory. I'm not sure that results prior to the release of the TV show are relevant now. Praemonitus (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support for the retarget to Big Bang theory per nom. Veverve (talk) 14:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom and long-term significance. In general, we should not distinguish redirects by capitalization alone except in clear-cut cases, to avoid confusing readers who are likely to assume that searching won't be case-sensitive. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Praemonitus's comment. A majority of users searching the all uppercase are seeking the show, and redirects should be setup to help the most users reach the desired content more quickly. Lowercase versions Big Bang theory and Big bang theory appropriately target Big Bang. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:SMALLDETAILS. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:19, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- WP:SMALLDETAILS doesn't apply here - per ngrams, this capitalization is frequently used to refer to the theory and doesn't have a distinct meaning. BilledMammal (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget: Primary long-term signifigance is the scientific theory. --Spekkios (talk) 10:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Given the ambiguity of the title, it should point to a disambiguation page. Retarget to Big Bang Theory (disambiguation) or move the latter to overwrite the redirect. – McDutchie (talk) 01:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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Taking
- Taking → Theft (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Taking (law) → Eminent domain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects should point to the same target, or converted to a disambiguation page if there is no primary topic, as the disambiguator on the second is insufficient. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: The first was unilaterally retargeted from Eminent domain by Gaioa (talk · contribs) on January 14. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- DABify per nom. Veverve (talk) 22:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- Target both to eminent domain. I don't see an indication that taking is a common synonym for theft, and while lots of articles include taking in their title, they all appear to be WP:PTMs. The Take, Taken, and Took are disambiguation pages, but don't include any items titled taken. It does not appear to be an ambiguous term. - Eureka Lott
- (Re)target both to Eminent domain per Eureka Lott, where Takings targets as well. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- setindexify between eminent domain and revenue, since the wikt:takings of a business is its revenue -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Taking. As I recall, kidnapping has also historically been referred to as "taking" (as has being selfish in a relationship). I would still consider the primary purpose of Taking (law) to be Eminent domain, and would keep that redirect. BD2412 T 06:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate - "Taking" can mean the theft of something by a criminal, the seizing of a place by a military occupation, the kidnapping of an individual, and more. I agree that we should be thorough here. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
List of Queens
- List of Queens → List of women rulers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Since the target list only includes queen regnants and does not include queen consorts and queen dowagers, this redirect can be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 21:03, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Create a Lists of royal consorts and then convert this to list of lists of the current target and the new list -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 22:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment List of kings currently redirects to Lists of monarchs. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 11:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Barrier Islands of New Jersey
- Barrier Islands of New Jersey → Ocean County, New Jersey (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
What to do with this? Not mentioned at target. Mentioned at Geography of New Jersey#Outer Coastal Plain, and has its own category. The category would be my choice of target. If anyone wants to fill this gap and make an article on this, please do (but make it at Barrier islands of New Jersey of course). For that matter, make Barrier islands of the United States! J947 † edits 02:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Barrier island#United States, for now. Absecon Island is mentioned there at least. StonyBrook babble 22:35, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: I don't think there is a suitable retarget. This is a modified WP:REDYES argument as the article should be at Barrier islands of New Jersey as stated by nominator. TartarTorte 23:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - We should have an article for this. Have the text be red. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:48, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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Pilot (The Gifted)
- Pilot (The Gifted) → Gifted (disambiguation)#Film and television (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect initially pointed to The Gifted (TV series)#ep1 (now The Gifted (American TV series)) which listed the first episode as being called "Pilot" at the time (permalink). However, this seems untrue; the cited source said it would be a television pilot but not specifically entitled "Pilot" ([4]). Indeed, when the episode was released, it was called eXposed. My inclination is to delete this redirect, as the title was never real, but I'm not sure if precedent for TV series is to redirect "Pilot ([show name])" to the actual pilot episode even if it was titled differently, so I'll leave my thoughts as weak and let others more familiar with the matter discuss. eviolite (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't have strong feelings on this, I don't think there is any reason to keep it but I don't think it is an issue to have it either. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to eXposed - "Pilot" is used/mentioned/sourced throughout that article, so this is a worthwhile redirect to that article. It also would not be confused with the Thai series in anyway. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Musical Genres/Hip
- Musical Genres/Hip → Rapping (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Hip" isn't listed at List of music genres and styles so I assume "Hip" isn't a music genre. Like its sister below, this redirect has been around a while, but this one isn't useful and might be misleading. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, the only reasons to keep a redirect with a malformed title like this would be to keep useful old history and possibly preserve old links, but none likely apply (the page had content for less than an hour in 2001 before being quickly redirected.) eviolite (talk) 04:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This seems totally useless to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 05:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not useful as a redirect, but it was probably the original title of Hip hop culture and now contains the first version of that article after it was imported; could it be moved or imported to the history of that page? 86.141.247.208 (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Jhon Philip Saklil
- Jhon Philip Saklil → John Philip Saklil (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
implausible typo MB 17:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, The Indonesian medias, sometimes, still wrote this bishop as Jhon although some wrote as John Azmi1995 (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Unsure - "Jhon Philip Saklil" seems to be used in some sources, such as this article here. What's the context? CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, from a cursory look about it seems like Jhon is an especially common typo in Indonesia. (I think that Jhon's a 'plausible' typo for any John; but moreso in this case.) J947 † edits 21:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Amzi and CoffeeWithMarkets, there are several Google hits from what appear to be local news sources and even books using this spelling. eviolite (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep: Plausible typo. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 00:30, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
L'Affaire Lafarge
- L'Affaire Lafarge → The Lafarge Case (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Current target is a 1938 crime film, but according to The New York Times, it also refers to a corporate scandal currently discussed at Lafarge (company)#Terrorist financing. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 15:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget - I agree that this should go to 'Lafarge (company)#Terrorist financing'. Perhaps a hatnote is in order. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Dimolybdenum
- Dimolybdenum → Molybdenum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Better explained at Sextuple bond. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:28, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Sextuple bond per nom. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
NHRA (disambiguation)
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Warren Ferguson
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MOS:IBID
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Flexor and extensor
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Formula (mathematics and physics)
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Colombian panda
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Greater Pakistan
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1959–60 Milwaukee Cardinals men's basketball team
- 1959–60 Milwaukee Cardinals men's basketball team → Milwaukee Panthers men's basketball (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Propose deletion because this link misdirects readers who are looking on {{Milwaukee Panthers men's basketball navbox}} as an actual season link. It should remain a redlink until a new article can be created w/proper sources. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:03, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Page has been tagged as unreferenced since it's creation Jan 2021 and has been a redirect since Feb 2021. Total misdirection. Brian (talk) 18:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
BoXed in (disambiguation)
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Idclip
- Idclip → John Romero#Doom II and Final Doom (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This article has nothing to do with John Romero#Doom II and Final Doom, accidentally moved to draft as I didn't do WP:BEFORE checks MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 16:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Greatest integer
- Greatest integer → Floor and ceiling functions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no greatest integer. There are many "greatest integer such that ...", and there is no reason for targeting to a specific one D.Lazard (talk) 10:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - This seems unhelpful. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a frequently used locution for what is often called the "greatest integer function," also called the floor function. Michael Hardy (talk) 23:45, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Question Michael Hardy can you give an example of how this would be used in a sentence, and maybe point us to examples in the literature where it's used on its own, rather than followed by "function" or "≤ x" or some such? Redirects don't have to be deleted just because they're not super useful, but this one seems like it might be entered by folks looking for splorch, which would be just confusing, and as small a problem as that is, I don't really see the countervailing value here. --Trovatore (talk) 23:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm going to go ahead and !vote delete here. Looking at uses in Wikipedia, it looks like this redirect is being used to provide a non-piped link target for locutions such as "greatest integer less than or equal to x".
Now, I'm personally a strong believer in redirects-are-better-than-pipes, as a general rule, because pipes hardcode the semantic/syntactic connection on a one-off basis, which is sort of a code smell. But that argument is a lot less convincing when the semantics aren't natural in the first place. I wouldn't object to creating a greatest integer less than or equal to redirect to serve this function. --Trovatore (talk) 17:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm going to go ahead and !vote delete here. Looking at uses in Wikipedia, it looks like this redirect is being used to provide a non-piped link target for locutions such as "greatest integer less than or equal to x".
- Comment I thought that the redirect target might be different even if it is an integer, because when I replace Trovatore's question with a (counting the number of) prime number, I think that the redirect target is different so that one is Euclid's theorem and the other is a prime number theorem. By the way, what I thought of as the redirect target for the greatest integer was Archimedean property or Dedekind cut.--SilverMatsu (talk) 03:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree with the deletion of the link. Interpreting this as "greatest integer function" is really encouraging editors, and readers, to use sloppy language. There seems no value in keeping this. PatrickR2 (talk) 19:59, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per the above. Misleading and not worth keeping. CycloneYoris talk! 01:56, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Yevrey
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History of institutions
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Middle length staff
- Middle length staff → Jō (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article. Third party searches also are not clear on what this phrase should refer to: In addition to the target, results for Bō and Quarterstaff also appear. Steel1943 (talk) 05:51, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Both Hapkido and Okinawan kobudō mention a "middle length staff" (the latter links to hanbō, which does not mention the term). Jō certainly appears to be a wrong target. BD2412 T 05:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 2 § Emoticon or Emoji? – provisionally retarget to Emoji without prejudice against retargeting to an article about the specific concept represented
It seems clear to me that this emoji does not represent confusion but disconfort or being upset. Therefore, the redirect should either a) be retargetted to Comfort as it is the same place where Discomfort leads and also because "uncomfortable" and "discomfort" are in bold in the lede, b) be retargeted to the Wiktionary entry 'upset', or c) be deleted if no good redirect is found. Veverve (talk) 12:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Just noting that "Confused face" is the official Unicode name for this. See [5]. Gonnym (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I do not know who gave it this name, but this face does not look confused to me. Emojis (see the table at Emoji#Unicode blocks) seem to redirect to what they represent, not to the name given to them (WP:SURPRISE). Veverve (talk) 12:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Just to make sure my comment has a clear !vote associated with it. I'll also repeat what I said in a few other emoji related RfDs - deletion should never be a valid option. Gonnym (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. As Gonnym said, this is the confused face emoji, and will appear differently depending on a user's platform. Its current target is consistent with how we treat similar emojis.- Eureka Lott 15:10, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. "Confused face" is closest to Confusion. -- Tavix (talk) 16:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget or Delete - I agree with the nomination - on many devices, this makes little sense without further context or explanation. Sergecross73 msg me 20:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as it's officially known as "confused face" so the current target appears suitable. Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 12:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment/query. While WP:UCRN is about article titles and not about redirects, I think the spirit of that policy is relevant here. In other words, just as we don't choose article titles based on "official names" of things, we shouldn't redirect emojis based on their "official names" but rather (1) based on how they're actually used, and (2) what's most likely to be of use to the reader. The problem is, I have no idea how this is actually used or what readers who search for emojis on Wikipedia are looking for. @Veverve: when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others? The latter would be a good case for retargeting, especially if examples can be found; the former not so much. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 12:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
when you say the emoji represents discomfort or upset rather than confusion, are you speaking about how the image appears to you or how you've seen it used by others?
: I would say yes to both. However, I found no Pew Research Center study on how this emoji was perceived, so the way I saw this emoji being used remains an anecdotal evidence. - None of the RSs discussing it are of any help:
- Dictionary.com states the emoji "expresses confusion but also a range of other emotions, including bafflement, displeasure, disappointment, mild sadness, and self-pity. All of that can be earnest … or it can be ironic, you decide."
- The Reader's Digest states: "We were surprised to find out that this emoji is called 'confused face,' but on further reflection, it does have an aura of bewilderment."
- Veverve (talk) 13:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Veverve. The fact we're bound to rely on anecdotal evidence here makes me lean towards deleting, but I'll wait and see if anyone else can offer any clarity. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Arms & Hearts:
- As with @Arms & Hearts:, I am definitely sympathetic to the idea that it should perhaps reflect the most common meaning rather than just a redirect based on the name. However, if we don't have a single obvious meaning, perhaps a short disambig page would be practical? "😕 ("confused face") is an emoji which has multiple meanings, and may be used to refer to: confusion ; disappointment; sadness..."
- This would let us cope with the moderately ambiguous ones which don't rise to the level of needing a full article like 😂, and it avoids giving a strange result for the readers who do think it means confusion. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - how this appears in different font schemes is irrelevant. Unicode defines characters so that they have a universal set meaning upon investigation. That definition is generally what we follow; WP:EMOJI. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as the intended meaning. Do not disambiguate as such a page would be predicated entirely on original research. eviolite (talk) 11:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Arguments for keeping boil down to "it's the official name", which I find unconvincing for reasons laid out above, and I don't see any significant harm in deleting. Deleting also seems much more closely aligned with WP:EMOJI, which says redirects from emojis
are often kept if the character has a clear and definite meaning ... The outcome is usually deletion if the glyph is unclear
. There's no alternative target that would be obviously preferable to the current target, and I agree with Eviolite that a disambiguation page wouldn't be appropriate (so keeping would be my second choice). – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:16, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Pseudonorm
- Pseudonorm → Norm (mathematics) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target mentions this as a synonym of seminorm, which has a standalone article, but according to pseudonorm (Q2115755), this is a different kind of generalisation which weakens the condition of homogeneity by replacing the equality by an inequality, rather than removing the positive definiteness. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:35, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Terminology varies greatly in this area. I am aware of four distinct uses of the term pseudonorm, and there might be more:
- I think that nowadays the first and second are the most common uses, but I am not clear on which if any of those two would be the primary topic. Felix QW (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep, as I have edited the target for including the meanings listed by Felix QW. It seems that the discussion can be speedily closed per WP:SNOWBALL. D.Lazard (talk) 11:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Content filtering - Spam
- Content filtering - Spam → Email filtering (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Improper disambiguation from a redirect to Internet filter — we use parentheses for disambiguation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: WP:XY, misleading. Veverve (talk) 12:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- YXY? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Extreme heat
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Extreme cold
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Extreme porn
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Functional analyst
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Hurricane Horntails
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Legalisation of illegal drugs
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Hölder conjugates
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Turkey cuisine
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PMAB
- PMAB → Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Majority of the sources on the web don't use "PMAB" as an acronym for the Prime Minister of Antigua and Barbuda. Some expansions of the acronym PMAB are listed here. Peter Ormond 💬 04:44, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Not mentioned at the target and not a common abbreviation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Presbyterian_Church_(USA)#Structure_2 with a hatnote or disambiguate. PMAB looks like an ambiguous acronym, and an onwiki search quickly confirms my intuition, furnishing the following meanings:
- a mention in Presbyterian_Church_(USA)#Structure_2 (unexplained, but from context I think it stands for Presbyterian Mission Agency Board)
- an acronym(?) for Pharmacological, Medical and Agronomical Biotechnology (mentioned in University of Science and Technology of Hanoi)
- a mention in ref #6 of Enrique Salem which turns out to be about the President's Management Advisory Board (a committee of the White House that existed during the Obama administration), though I dunno if that's notable.
- Duckmather (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 20:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)- Dabify Searching confirms there is off-wiki use of PMAB to refer to the Presbyterian Mission Agency Board and the department of Pharmacological, Medical and Agronomical Biotechnology. These are the only uses also mentioned on-wiki and thus the only valid dab entries. I don't see that either is primary, so I have drafted the dab at PMAB. MB 20:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - The above efforts make sense to me as well. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
GGAB
- GGAB → Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No proof that "GGAB" is used as the abbreviation for the Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda. GGAB can also mean The Girl Guide Association of Barbados. Peter Ormond 💬 04:47, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or DABify per nom. Veverve (talk) 08:35, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate for anything meeting WP:DABABBREV. Currently we have The Girl Guide Association of Barbados and The Girl Guides Association of Bahrain. Add Governor-General of Antigua and Barbuda later if any evidence is found that WP:RS use the abbreviation GGAB for that post. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:14, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Not mentioned at the target and not a common abbreviation. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:44, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - There seems to be no major use of this term by any notable entity. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- Dabify There are two on-wiki uses of the term, so I have drafted at dab at GGAB. Did not include GG of Antigua and Barbuda since the acronym is not used in the article (it appears to be a Twitter handle). MB 17:38, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Youtune
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Portal:Jazz/Jazz in Germany
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Infinite torque at zero rpm
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Portal:Paragliding at the 2019 South Asian Games
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Portal:Aida Ballmann
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Amoy dialect/Negative particles/simplified
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Anti-aging hormore therapies
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The Demented Cartoon Movie
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ꑭ
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Dimwell Arrhythmic Rhyming Slang
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Shoppers City East
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List of shopping malls in American Samoa
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Low-calorie
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Social unit
- Social unit → Level of analysis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This was merged to level of analysis, but over the years, any mention of the term 'social unit' was removed from the target. The merge discussion (see talk page of both mentioned articlsS) was not attended - only the proposer suggested it and then carried out the uncontroversial merge. My query is inconclusive on whether this topic deserves its own entry, and as for the merger, I think unit of analysis would be better. Anyway, I am not sure what do; the current redirect is pointless (again, the target doesn't mention it), but deleting it would result in a loss of a past article without an AfD. Redirecting to unit of analysis is not ideal as that article also doesn't mention this. The old article did have some reliably referenced content, and I am frankly tempted to suggest restoring this pre-merge version, which could be AfD if anyone so desires. In either case, this redirect is currently not sustainable. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete: extremely vague expression. Veverve (talk) 08:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Restore pre-merge/redirect version. (The link given by nom is wrong though, it gave me an error: "This site is only available in Mainland China.") Second option, Refine to Level of analysis#Analytical levels in social science and tag as {{R without mention}}. I found it useful as it lists the social units present at different levels of society. Jay (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete - The term is simply so vague and general that I can't see making anything useful out of it. Deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II
- List of royal visits by Queen Elizabeth II → List of Commonwealth visits made by Elizabeth II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of Royal visits made by Queen Elizabeth II → List of Commonwealth visits made by Elizabeth II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As an American, I would have expected this to point to List of state visits made by Elizabeth II. I take it "royal visits" is understood to mean to Commonwealth realms? If this is widely understood throughout the Commonwealth, maybe this is just a case for hatnotes. But given the existing hatnote at List of state visits made by Elizabeth II, and the fact that her visits to Commonwealth realms are a logical subtopic, I recommend retargeting.
Note also that Royal visit redirects to State visit. --BDD (talk) 14:39, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambugate with links to the Queen's state visits and tours of Commonwealth countries. Peter Ormond 💬 15:07, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: There are two plausible search terms for this, and they cover subtly different sets of visits. People could be looking for either of the two. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:11, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think disambiguation is the best option. See WP:TWODABS. Commonwealth visits are a subset of state visits. --BDD (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep or perhaps disambiguate. She is Queen of Australia, for example, so I don't think it's appropriate to call it a "state visit", as she is not visiting representing a foreign country. Further, per State visit#United Kingdom, state visits do not occur between the United Kingdom and Commonwealth realms, technically. Searching online indicates that the existing target is the primary one for "royal visits", certainly List of state visits made by Elizabeth II is not the primary topic as far as I can tell. A7V2 (talk) 03:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per A7V2's research. Another ignorant American here, but it looks like this is "just a case for hatnotes" after all. -- Tavix (talk) 00:32, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep: As stated by A7V2, as she is often the Head of State in these countries that she is visiting, they are typically not referred to as state visits. The current target is a bit more accurate, but I am fine with hatnotes also. TartarTorte 16:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Settings in Battlestar Galatica
- Sagittaron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sagittaron(planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tauron (Battlestar Galactica) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aerelon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Canceron → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virgon → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Picon (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Aquaria (fictional planet) → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Libran → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Various planets and/or settings in the Battlestar Galatica universe that are not mentioned in the target article. It seems they all were previously redirects towards the former article Twelve Colonies, but there was consensus to redirect it to Battlestar Galatica per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Colonies (2nd nomination). At this point, without mention in the target article, readers attempting to locate specific information about the subjects of these redirects will be left with virtually nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "Sagittaron(planet)" incorrect disambiguation format -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Aerelon", "Virgon", "Tauron", "Sagittaron", "Gemenon" to Dirty Hands (Battlestar Galactica) where it is mentioned. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget "Picon" to Battlestar Galactica: The Plan where it is mentioned -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Convert "Libran" to a disambiguation page, there are people by this name with articles. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete almost all. These are very minor settings, and the proposed targets for some of them don't give enough information to warrant redirects. There's a bit of an WP:XY issue as well: for Gemenon, why Dirty Heads and not Flesh and Bone (Battlestar Galactica), Number Six (Battlestar Galactica), Caprica, Leoben Conoy, or Kara Thrace? Libran is a different situation and I have drafted a name index below the redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 00:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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Erik Young
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Αγήνωρ
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Cosmic Evolution
North East Indian cuisine
- North East Indian cuisine → Indian cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- North east indian cuisine → Indian cuisine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target does not specify what cuisine is considered "North East Indian", leaving readers searching for these terms without specific information about what they are looking for. In addition, North East Indian cuisine was formerly an article for about 9 years before it was WP:BLAR-ed. Steel1943 (talk) 04:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Restore the "article", which was simply a list of articles on the cuisines of various individual groups in Northeast India. Tag as a WP:SETINDEX until someone writes a proper article. There are WP:RS available which cover northeastern cuisine as a distinct subgrouping [6][7], so putting these individual groups together in one article isn't just WP:OR. 61.239.39.90 (talk) 02:22, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Cuisine of the Indian subcontinent#Indian cuisine where there's a better list. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:54, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Northeast India#Cuisines. Shhhnotsoloud's suggestion is not bad, but this one seems more comprehensive. I like the overview of popular dishes and staple foods, beyond just linking to subtopic articles. --BDD (talk) 01:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
🐱🚀
- 🐱🚀 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱🐉 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱🏍 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱💻 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱👓 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 🐱👤 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I stumbled upon this confusing set of redirects today for some reason, and I fail to understand why these emojis were placed together or if they have anything in common (i.e. What does a cat have in common with a rocket?). I then searched the target for clues, but it doesn't seem to provide any information on why these redirects were created. Deletion seems to be the only way to go here, unless someone finds a better target than the current one, which needless to say is completely unhelpful. CycloneYoris talk! 23:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. You might not have an updated browser if you can't see these correctly. There is zero reason to delete valid emojis. These emojis were created by Microsoft and had notable coverage. See [8], [9], etc. Gonnym (talk) 01:06, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: My browser is certainly updated, and all I can see are two separate emojis: A cat and another random object. Maybe these don't work if you're on iOS? CycloneYoris talk! 01:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @CycloneYoris these might only work on Microsoft operating systems since these are their emojis. Gonnym (talk) 12:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: My browser is certainly updated, and all I can see are two separate emojis: A cat and another random object. Maybe these don't work if you're on iOS? CycloneYoris talk! 01:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to say we should retarget the astro cat emoji to Félicette, but that probably wouldn't be helpful. All of these are examples of emoji ZWJ sequences, but that's (obviously) a redlink. They're Windows-only emoji and were introduced in Windows 10 version 1607, which might be the best target for now. That article mentions emoji updates, but not these specifically. - Eureka Lott 02:19, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think that Emoji#Joining might be an appropriate retarget as it's close to Emoji ZWJ sequences. TartarTorte 19:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: @CycloneYoris: this RfD and this discussion may be relevant. Veverve (talk) 10:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Here's why I made these redirects: It may not look it, but these are actually valid emojis. On your screen, they may look like two random emojis, but on some platforms, they're actually a single emoji combined together by a Zero Width Joiner. Take this: 👁️🗨️. It may look like one Emoji, but it's actually a merger of these two emoji with a ZWJ in between: 👁🗨. Pacingpal (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also 🕵️ which redirects to Detective for some reason, this was at RfD before. Naleksuh (talk) 01:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Emoji#Joining: Per Eureka Lott suggestion of Emoji ZWJ sequences and that these are in fact ZWJ'd emoji, it makes sense to retarget to Emoji#joinining unless someone were to create the red-linked article, in which case I would advocate a retarget to there. TartarTorte 19:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retargeting an emoji to Emoji is only marginally more useful than redirecting a single letter to Letter (alphabet). A subtopic like Emoji#Joining is a different matter. --BDD (talk) 01:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Sarbhangi
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Allegheny County
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Young Kindaichi’s Casebook
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Diphosphorus trisulfide
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SLAY
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Palindromes.
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Epitipe
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Letter of protest
- Letter of protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Letter of Protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Letters of protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Letters of Protest → Diplomatic correspondence (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. Lemma as such only mentioned once (in a recursive link included in a parenthetic phrase). Hildeoc (talk) 00:59, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Refine all to Diplomatic correspondence#Notes for now, or disambiguate. The current target article was at the first redirect for quite some time, so should be preserved, and the current target is the only case where this specific term is used. However, I agree the current target does not fully capture the broader concept. Protest just mentions that letters are a form of protest. Google search, in the U.S. anyway, indicates this is a term used in the context of Trademarks, but I can't find anything about that on enwiki. So I could also envision a dab page with links for these various contexts. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget all to protest. Letters of protest appear outside of diplomatic correspondence, for instance with political correspondence, contractual disputes, etc -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 21:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all - Writing a letter to an entity because one is miffed about something is an extremely general idea that doesn't really go anywhere, in my opinion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
MOS:PSEUDOCODE
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Park Jimin (musician)/junk
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200-gon
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Nonadecagram
- Nonadecagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Enneadecagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tetracontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Pentacontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hexacontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Heptacontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Octacontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hecatontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Enneacontagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Enneacontahexagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hexacontatetragram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tetracontaoctagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Tetracontadigram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Triacontatetragram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Triacontadigram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Icosioctagram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
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- Icosidigram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 360-gram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- 120-gram → Polygon#Naming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirects for specific star polygons neither mentioned at target nor at Star polygon, Polygram (geometry) or elsewhere on the English Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and article improvement. These are actual (legal, existing) names, and so the target is the place to go for further understanding. The target should be improved with a more clarifying overview (keyword); likey the target can be {{anchor}}ed there. -DePiep (talk) 14:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- These redirects were initially targeting the articles for the corresponding convex polygons until the latter were redirected to this page. I disagree that the current target is helpful for
further understanding
in its current state, but if these terms were added to this wiki, I suppose the place would be Polygram (geometry). 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- These redirects were initially targeting the articles for the corresponding convex polygons until the latter were redirected to this page. I disagree that the current target is helpful for
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Enneagram of Process
- Enneagram of Process → Nonagon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target, neither appears the history of this redirect to be used there. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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Heteropalindrome
- Heteropalindrome → Palindrome#Semordnilap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned anywhere on the English Wikipedia; could be soft-redirected to wikt:heteropalindrome though. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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Semordnilap
- Semordnilap → Palindrome#Semordnilap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Emordnilap → Palindrome#Semordnilap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Emordnilaps → Palindrome#Semordnilap (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Only passing mentions on the English Wikipedia, but could be soft-redirected to wikt:semordnilap. Note that there is some history behind the first one of these. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:00, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The relevant section was removed in August 2021 as off-topic. Is the topic notable enough to make a standalone aritcle? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete as obscure synonym at best. I'm not seeing a potential article since the ref states that these terms were not accepted by the Oxford Dictionary (relevant version for reference). --Lenticel (talk) 03:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
May 15
St. Rose of Lima Parish in Chula Vista
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President of the Internet
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AMD Athlon XP 3200+
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RS Management Consulting House
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Rothenburg displaced persons camp
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Roderickson
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Violoneux
Not mentioned in the target article's body; there is a site in the "External links" section named "Violoneux.fr", but it is a web site (not a fiddle) and it's in French. Apparently, this word means "fiddler" in French. For the aforementioned reason, this redirect is a WP:FORRED issue since the target does not have affinity to the French language. Steel1943 (talk) 07:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RLOTE. Also, 'violoneux' only more or less designates the second meaning of 'fiddle': 'violoneux' means either 'a violin player of a village participating in its ceremonies', or 'a bad violin player', or 'a person who plays folk or popular music on their violin and has not learned violin in a conventional way'; see fr:Violoneux and the Larousse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veverve (talk • contribs) 10:21, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as either a redirect to the opera Le violoneux or as a disambiguation page linking to the opera and to Fiddle. Violoneux is the French equivalent to the English language term fiddler.4meter4 (talk) 20:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete per Veverve. signed, Rosguill talk 18:05, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, as discuseed by 4meter4, above. Tim riley talk 08:44, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per 4meter4. PianoDan (talk) 16:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
WP:B
- Wikipedia:B → WP:Bots (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Similarly to WP:S (currently also at RfD), this shortcut is ambiguous. It has a fair number of existing uses intending the bots page, but the majority appear to be for other topics, like WP:Bold, WP:Block or WP: B class – see this search (which excludes user talk pages: there are just over 4,000 of them that feature the shortcut as part of an alphabet soup [10]). – Uanfala (talk) 01:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per nom -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 02:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep massively used shortcut from time immemorial (
4000 times without user talk page apparently, and it's used several thousand times on user talk pages toowell over 4000 times, including user talk pages and no alphabet soup). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 10:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)- Comment Uanfala mentions that the majority of those uses are not for the current target -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 10:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- See [11] Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- There are 4,129 instances where this shortcut appears in an alphabet listing of all single-letter shortcuts [12] (this had been used in one of the new user welcoming messages, that's why it's so widespread) – this usage is without context and is agnostic about the redirect's target. The uses where the shortcut is piped to the word "bot(s)" are 67 [13], which is less than a quarter of the 361 total uses in a piped link [14]. – Uanfala (talk) 12:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- The vast majority of which are clearly about bots if you look on where they are used. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm looking at how they're used and I'm not seeing that. There are, for example, 33 uses piped for "(be) bold" [15], 14 for "blocking" [16], 8 for "bureaucrat" [17]... – Uanfala (talk) 14:16, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I've just found out that 169 out of the 361 total piped uses are for "Wikipedia bots", but then I realised that all but 2 of those are due to an ancient wording in the boilerplate message by Suggestbot [18]. – Uanfala (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- See [11] Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Uanfala mentions that the majority of those uses are not for the current target -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 10:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: At a skim of the first few pages, I see uses split between WP:Bots, WP:B-Class, and WP:Be bold, all piped to WP:B (in the latter two cases, incorrectly). But some of these are template transclusions, and as you go down the pages some are bot-posted messages (and the bot-posted messages are using WP:B correctly, to mean the bots page). So trying to look at a sample of 20 entries doesn't seem likely to lead to accurate results. If indeed the same bot mesage was posted to, say, 500 talk pages, that would be a dominating usage. I agree with the nom that WP:B is ambiguous and, in theory, should be a dab. But changing shortcuts with this many usages can lead to some old links no longer making sense as the authors intended (though the risk is less problematic if we're changing to a dab, vs usurping the shortcut for another use). At the same time, if there are a lot of errors in current usage anyway, then changing to a dab could actually make some uses clearer. Neutral myself, but food for thought. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate or just delete and salt. It's way too vague, poorly used, the current usage is only debatedly its best use, and in reality it's hardly used, other than in the old template. --Dweller (talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 08:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:IAR. It's used well over four thousand times and it would simply be a waste of editor time to go back and change it. If we were starting from time immemorial, then perhaps it would not have been the best location, but the current location works and we should ignore rules when they would harm our ability to keep Wikipedia well-maintained. — Mhawk10 (talk) 02:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate Aside from rare cases like WP:N and WP:V, most single letters simply don't have any clear meaning to Wikipedia editors, as seen here by the numerous incoming links not intended for the current target. Using terse, unclear, and rare shortcuts wastes the time of your fellow editors, since they have to follow the shortcut to have any clue what you're trying to say; making this into a disambiguation page will hopefully discourage such wastes of time. (FWIW, a few years ago there was a similar discussion about WP:2, WP:4, WP:7, WP:8, and WP:9, which ended with a "retarget" outcome, though in that case the targets were much more confusing than the current case, and there didn't seem to be anything to disambiguate). 61.239.39.90 (talk) 04:06, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. If it is disambiguated, it can no longer be used as a shortcut. -- Tavix (talk) 04:11, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, if it's disambiguated, it can no longer be used in an incorrect or misleading way. A dab page is a clear improvement over a shortcut that for most of its users goes to the wrong page. – Uanfala (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well, the current target is certainly not incorrect nor misleading. As for linking, any such use would be incorrect if it's disambiguated. A better solution for anyone who guesses wrong would be Wikipedia:B (disambiguation), which can exist without disrupting its long-standing service as a shortcut. -- Tavix (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- You mean it's not incorrect for references to the "be bold" principle [19] or to the block policy [20] to instead lead to the bots info page? – Uanfala (talk) 14:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- That signifies that the user is incorrect, not that the shortcut is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- But if so many users are "incorrect" that's a clear indication that the fault lies with the shortcut. – Uanfala (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree that the problem is as widespread as you make it out to be, and I recognize that the proposed solution is much worse than the status quo. -- Tavix (talk) 14:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Where is your cut-off point though? What is the maximum percentage of incorrect uses that can be tolerated before we do something about a shortcut? – Uanfala (talk) 15:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am in favor of retargeting to whichever page would be most sought when using the shortcut. If that happens to be Wikipedia:Blocking policy, for example, I would support retargeting there. I will never support disambiguating a shortcut because then 100% of uses will be incorrect—anyone who uses the shortcut will not end up where they wanted to go and it will therefore cease to be useful as a shortcut. -- Tavix (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- So you'd be happy if the "incorrect" uses are twice the number of "correct" ones as long as there's no single "incorrect" target that gets more uses than the "correct" one? – Uanfala (talk) 16:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I am in favor of retargeting to whichever page would be most sought when using the shortcut. If that happens to be Wikipedia:Blocking policy, for example, I would support retargeting there. I will never support disambiguating a shortcut because then 100% of uses will be incorrect—anyone who uses the shortcut will not end up where they wanted to go and it will therefore cease to be useful as a shortcut. -- Tavix (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Where is your cut-off point though? What is the maximum percentage of incorrect uses that can be tolerated before we do something about a shortcut? – Uanfala (talk) 15:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree that the problem is as widespread as you make it out to be, and I recognize that the proposed solution is much worse than the status quo. -- Tavix (talk) 14:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- But if so many users are "incorrect" that's a clear indication that the fault lies with the shortcut. – Uanfala (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- That signifies that the user is incorrect, not that the shortcut is incorrect. -- Tavix (talk) 14:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- You mean it's not incorrect for references to the "be bold" principle [19] or to the block policy [20] to instead lead to the bots info page? – Uanfala (talk) 14:46, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well, the current target is certainly not incorrect nor misleading. As for linking, any such use would be incorrect if it's disambiguated. A better solution for anyone who guesses wrong would be Wikipedia:B (disambiguation), which can exist without disrupting its long-standing service as a shortcut. -- Tavix (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, if it's disambiguated, it can no longer be used in an incorrect or misleading way. A dab page is a clear improvement over a shortcut that for most of its users goes to the wrong page. – Uanfala (talk) 13:45, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, so that people don't confuse other users, by linking to the wrong policy. Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:15, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, multiple reasonable targets Indagate (talk) 10:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Strong keep - Projectspace shortcuts are ambiguous by their very nature. This long-standing (i.e. since 2004) single letter redirect should not be tampered with through retargeting or made to lose its function through disambiguating. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Longstanding redirect and a simple dab link at the top of WP:Bots can resolve the issue. I don't see a need to complicate it. --B (talk) 10:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Drip Drip Drop
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Antigua-Barbuda-Redonda
- Antigua-Barbuda-Redonda → Antigua and Barbuda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Antigua Barbuda Redonda → Antigua and Barbuda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ] Added. -- Tavix (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Redonda is a separate island which is under the sovereignty of Antigua and Barbuda. Peter Ormond 💬 04:31, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Retarget to Redonda. Not a hugely likely search term but at least an unambiguous one. A7V2 (talk) 08:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)- Keep - the only entity that encompasses these three islands is the country of Antigua and Barbuda. Guettarda (talk) 14:09, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment I have added Antigua Barbuda Redonda to this discussion for the same reasons. -- Tavix (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Almost all of the usages I was able to find in sources had them separated by a comma (i.e. they were referring to three distinct entities rather than a single entity), so this somewhat a WP:XY case. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget only hyphenated version to Geography of Antigua and Barbuda, as the term does seem to be mentioned a few times but only as a biogeographical region ([21], [22] for example). Delete non-hyphenated version as a WP:XY scenario rather than an actually-used term. Second choice is to delete both per above. eviolite (talk) 21:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Fish-hook theory
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May 14
Respite directive
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Googl
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Related articles
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Sinobi-zyutu
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Keep Pushin'
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Delete since no primary; could also refer to the song from R.E.O. (album). UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate or hatnote: Both articles have plausible subtopics. — BarrelProof (talk) 01:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and use a hatnote to disambiguate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:06, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate. It's also the title of songs on Pebble to a Pearl, Silverback Gorilla, and possibly others. - Eureka Lott 22:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Mississippi flood & Mississippi flooded
- Mississippi flood → List of Mississippi River floods (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Mississippi flooded → List of Mississippi River floods (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The way these redirects are worded doesn't necessarily refer to their target. They could refer to the state of Mississippi being flooded or having a flood, and the Mississippi River is in more than just the state of Mississippi. Delete to let Wikipedia's search function help readers figure out what they are attempting to locate when searching for these terms. Steel1943 (talk) 00:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Floods in Mississippi points to Mississippi#Ecological problems, which discusses flooding, so I think the solution here is to disambiguate between floods of the river (in any state) and floods in the state. BD2412 T 01:35, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep the way they are. The river is by far the main topic, famous world wide. The state is much less significant. If necessary that there is an article on floods in the state, then put a hatnote on the river list article. But is there an article on floods in Mississippi the state? Currently this is a redirect and there is a section Mississippi#Flooding with the main heading pointing back to the target of these redirects. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:51, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Mississippi#Ecological problems, which has a hatnote to List of Mississippi River floods to resolve any ambiguity. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep as is, it is more prominent and more notable for major floods in the river basin rather than the state. Indeed most major floods on the Mississippi do not occur in the state of Mississippi -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 22:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Dab hand
Not mentioned in target article, leaving it unclear why the redirect targets its current target. Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep British slang term for an expert, easily verified with a dictionary [23]. There is also a Wiktionary entry for this term, though I don't see the need for a cross project redirect in this case. 192.76.8.70 (talk) 22:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Tag {{R from synonym}} per the M-W dictionary result found by 192 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:22, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Soft redirect to wikt:dab hand. Someone searching for this is likely looking for a definition of the term. Wikipedia doesn't have that, but Wiktionary does. Redirects from synonyms don't necessarily always have to be mentioned in the target, in my view, but "expert" isn't a particularly exact synonym for "dab hand", so Wiktionary is preferable. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 11:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
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Euclidean norm
- Euclidean norm → Euclidean space#Euclidean norm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Square norm → Norm (mathematics)#Euclidean norm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- L2 norm → Norm (mathematics)#Euclidean norm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- L² norm → Norm (mathematics)#Euclidean norm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Euclidean metric → Euclidean distance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I had retargeted the redirect Euclidean norm to Norm (mathematics)#Euclidean norm, where the subject is treated in more detail. D.Lazard reverted the edit, keeping the redirect targeting to Euclidean_space#Metric structure Euclidean_space#Metric space, which is a very long and much broader article. The reasons are as follows: (1) the context of other norms helps understand this particular norm; (2) the reader doesn't need to grasp all of "Euclidean space" to understand a norm; (3) there are several related redirects L² norm, L2 norm, square norm, etc. already pointing to Norm. I'm seeking third opinions about the redirect, please. Thanks. fgnievinski (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Also related: Euclidean metric, which currently points to Euclidean distance; even its mention seems disputable there, so it may well be retargeted to Euclidean norm. fgnievinski (talk) 19:48, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. I think you mean Euclidean_space#Metric structure. I don't see that your suggestion has any great merit for the reader. The introductory section of that "Metric structure" section does a reasonable job. Charles Matthews (talk) 17:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Charles Matthews: I've now numbered my arguments in case you'd like to address them. fgnievinski (talk) 19:38, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep redirecting to Euclidean space#Euclidean norm. In Norm (mathematics)#Euclidean norm, only a specific case of a Euclidean norm is presented as an example of a norm, the Euclidean norm on not the general case of the standard norm of a general Euclidean space. Moreover, except for readers focused on norms, the interest of a Euclidean norms is to be the standard norm of a Euclidean space. So the present redirect is much more natural. 20:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.Lazard (talk • contribs)
- Keep the current target, as it works now and the benefits of changing it seem small at best. The same logic of points (1) and (2) could argue just as well the other way: one could say that the context of Euclidean space helps to understand this norm, and that the reader doesn't need to grasp all of the other norms in Norm (mathematics) to understand this one. Point (3) presumes that all these related redirects ought to point to the same place, which could be untrue if they're coming from different contexts. I also don't follow the rationale for changing the target of Euclidean metric. AFAICT, nobody has objected to its mention there, only to the conflation of related but distinct mathematical entities and the inclusion of an overly technical term in the lede of a page with a wide readership (as far as mathematics pages go). XOR'easter (talk) 22:05, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep current target [for Euclidean norm], as one that covers this topic in appropriate detail. Nominator keeps trying to shoehorn this material into Euclidean distance, where it is too advanced for the target audience. (The nominator also keeps insisting that I contribute here before expressing my opinion on related article content, which I find extremely annoying; my participation here should not be required for participation there. But despite my annoyance, which makes me want to stay away, here I am...) We have multiple articles on closely related topics; Euclidean distance matrix is another, and for that matter so is Hilbert space. I don't see this as problematic. Euclidean norm might plausibly be another one of these, but if not then I think Euclidean space is the closest match. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- As for Euclidean metric, this currently redirects to Euclidean distance, but after recent significant revisions the distance article is more about distances between individual pairs of points, at a much lower level of mathematical sophistication, and only mentions the concept of the metric space formed by Euclidean points and their distances in passing rather than as a central concept. I wonder whether flat manifold might not be a better redirect target for people who are actually looking for material on Riemannian geometry applied to Euclidean and locally Euclidean spaces. (Note that "metric" is somewhat ambiguous in this context; see Talk:Euclidean distance#Metric?. A Riemannian metric is one reasonable interpretation of what is meant. Euclidean metric space would be unambiguous, and refer purely to distances rather than to Riemann curvature tensors, but as we don't already have a redirect under that title we don't need to figure out what to do with it.) —David Eppstein (talk) 07:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have merged Square norm, L2 norm, and L² norm into this discussion. Please see the same diff as this comment for clarification. (The nominator had the other three redirects in separate discussions, all directing readers to discuss them in this section instead of in their individual sections.) Steel1943 (talk) 01:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
- Also merged Euclidean metric into this section for the same reason as my previous edit: It was separate with the rationale directing readers to participate in this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 01:40, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: There's a pretty clear consensus on Euclidean norm, but other redirects remain largely unaddressed.
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- Keep all The remaining "Norm" redirects are to a topic that is more specialized and is the only one that mentions these synonyms, since the terms are used primarily in an advanced, often infinite-dimensional context. Euclidean metric suggests distance in a metric space, which is what Euclidean distance covers. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
l England
- Western England → West of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- West England → West of England (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Looking at the map on the article, this looks like too narrow of a target for this redirect. feminist (talk) Слава Україні! 04:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The hatnote indicates a retarget to West Country is in order. However, I would like someone from the UK to check the appropriateness of that; I am unsure whether further north and less westward parts of England are also included in such a definition. Bundled in West England, which targets the same place. — J947 ‡ message ⁓ edits 04:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Western England to fix a redlink in Phonological history of English close front vowels - diff. It's in use there and in History of Wales. The "phonology" article distinguishes between Southern England and Western England. The lead of Southern England says that it includes the West Country (roughly, southwest England below the Severn). Western England is therefore different from the West Country, and retargetting there would be very wrong. The "history" article is talking about the area of England east of modern Wales, north of the Severn.
- I agree that the current target is wrong (and I can't think why I pointed Western England there): West of England is a modern regional authority within the West Country. Retarget both to West Midlands (region), which is broadly the part of England immediately east of Wales. Narky Blert (talk) 07:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget both to West Country, as the most appropriate page for the geographical west of England. Andysmith248 (talk) 14:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- The West Country is in Southern England. Narky Blert (talk) 11:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete both as too vague and too ambiguous to be useful and unlink from, or repipe, the articles it appears in. Neither term, as far as I know, has ever had anything approaching a specific meaning. SpinningSpark 12:28, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Weak Delete The current redirect to West of England is just wrong. The West of England is just a rebranded name for the former county of Avon and part of Western England rather than the whole, so is an inappropriate redirect. West Country would be a better redirect but as others have pointed Western England or West England could refer to more northernly areas of Western England as well. Eopsid (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Real vampires
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Indianapolis explosion
- Indianapolis explosion → Richmond Hill explosion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not the only "Indianapolis explosion": see 1963 Indiana State Fairgrounds Coliseum gas explosion. Steel1943 (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Could also plausibly refer to USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35)#Sinking. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Setindexify to the three values mentioned here -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Setindexify per 65.92.246.142. Veverve (talk) 06:56, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete; it is not appropriate to setindexify since the connection between the term and the articles is so tenuous (note there is no New York explosion, nor similar). UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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Verb forms and "one who performs verb" forms of Landfill
- Landfiller → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land-filler → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land filler → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Landfillers → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land-fillers → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land fillers → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land-filling → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land filling → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Landfilled → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land-filled → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Land filled → Landfill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not clear how or why any verb form of the target page's title is likely or plausible. Also included here are the "-er" variations of this word since that assumes a thing or person who performs the verb, so if the verb isn't likely or helpful, neither are the "-er" versions. (These would have potentially be eligible for WP:X1 if noticed a few years back.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is probably going to end up as a WP:TRAINWRECK, it would probably be better to discuss these in smaller groups. At the minimum "Land filling" and "Land-filling" are completely legitimate words that describe disposing of something to landfill and should be kept, "Landfilled" and is a valid word that describes the past tense process of having disposed of something to landfill (though the hyphenated and version do seem to be either much rarer or neelix inventions). The singular "Landfiller" type redirects do seem to get some use describing companies and people operating landfill sites, and there seems to have been some kind of environmental campaign using this word? There's also the whole can of worms that some of these titles are potentially ambiguous with Land reclamation. 192.76.8.70 (talk) 23:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- No one can really predict the future, but I explained why I grouped them all together and still don't foresee a WP:TRAINWRECK, so I'm leaving them as is. Steel1943 (talk) 23:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This redirect seems pretty fine, except for Landfilled, land-filled, and land filled. 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 15:52, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- And I just realized how stupid that sounds 😂 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Neelixizations, although I'm fine with keeping landfilled. -- Tavix (talk) 00:57, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete all For the same reason as WP:X1 although they seem to have fallen through the cracks of the cleanup operation. Same problem, none are necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all per WP:X1 except for keep land filling which strikes me as a possible search term. SpinningSpark 09:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: All as implausible per the general consensus that let to WP:X1 existing. TartarTorte 19:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Santo Sepulcro
- Santo Sepulcro → Church of the Holy Sepulchre (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
WP:RFFL, no reason for spanish I think? Happy Editing--IAmChaos 05:31, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh okay. I originally intended it to be redirected to the Moriones Festival but when I put “Santo Sepulcro” in the search bar, it is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre that appears. Maybe change the redirect target to Moriones, or if not, feel free to delete it. Apologies for the issue caused by this one. Vida0007 (talk) 07:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, because readers might know the Spanish name but not the English name, or run across it in literature and not be sure what it refers to. It's true that we don't always need redirects for other languages in English Wikipedia, but this seems like one that's likely to pop up and benefit readers, so it might be worth keeping. As far as WP:RFFL goes, I believe this qualifies under "appropriate redirects", No. 1 (see the note). Since the "original" is presumably Sanctum Sepulchrum, the closely-related and widely-known Spanish version seems like an appropriate redirect. P Aculeius (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Apung Mamacalulu where it is an alternative name. --Lenticel (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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- No, No, No! Retarget to Holy Sepulchre (disambiguation). This is a fairly common name for churches & other things in several languages. The Jerusalem one is primary in English, but not on en:wp in Spanish. For heaven's sake, guys! Johnbod (talk) 14:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Relax, for Pete's sake! If it's ambiguous in Spanish, of course redirecting to a disambiguation page as you suggest should be fine. I was just responding to the original argument that a redirect from the Spanish name of any of them was unnecessary and should be deleted—although I would be astonished if it led to Lenticel's proposed target, which doesn't seem at all intuitive to me, although obviously that's because I've never heard of it, unlike the phrase "holy sepulchre". P Aculeius (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- So you're sticking to your keep? Why? Johnbod (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Because there's no justification for deleting it—I've already said it should target whichever article readers typing it are most likely searching for—if that's not the current target, fine—as I said above, retarget it. Not sure how that's ambiguous, as long as you're certain of what the best target is. P Aculeius (talk) 12:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- So you're sticking to your keep? Why? Johnbod (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Holy Sepulchre (disambiguation) is in a hatnote on the Italian town Sansepolcro, btw. Johnbod (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Relax, for Pete's sake! If it's ambiguous in Spanish, of course redirecting to a disambiguation page as you suggest should be fine. I was just responding to the original argument that a redirect from the Spanish name of any of them was unnecessary and should be deleted—although I would be astonished if it led to Lenticel's proposed target, which doesn't seem at all intuitive to me, although obviously that's because I've never heard of it, unlike the phrase "holy sepulchre". P Aculeius (talk) 12:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Holy Sepulchre (disambiguation) appears sensible to me. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:35, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Template:Kashmir Premier League
- Template:Kashmir Premier League → Template:Kashmir Premier League (Pakistan) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete the redirect as Kashmir Premier League can refer to many leagues so the redirect should be deleted to avoid confusion. Hamza Ali Shah Talk 08:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Procedural relist since the redirect was not tagged until today.
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Keep by default due to this unclear nomination.Comment: My only guess is that the "merge with each other
" refers to some nonexistent template named Template:Kashmir Premier League (India) (compare Kashmir Premier League (India) vs. Kashmir Premier League (Pakistan)), but without any context and since the nominated redirect is a {{R from move}} with the move being to its target page, I am only left with educated guesses per my research into the matter. Steel1943 (talk) 03:32, 27 April 2022 (UTC)- User:Steel1943, I apologise for being unclear. By ‘merge’, I wanted to say that we should delete the redirect. I have edited my nomination to make it more clear. Hamza Ali Shah Talk 05:21, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep, the Pakistani league is the only one with a navbox so there is no competing uses within Template-space. While it may be disappointing to be redirected to the Pakistani league if one is expecting the Indian league, I don't think confusion would be an issue because the target clearly notes in the title that it is the Pakistani league. On the other hand, deletion may make it harder to find the only relevant template. -- Tavix (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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Folkism
- Folkism → Folkspartei (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Created as a redirect to Folkspartei (Jewish People's Party) in 2007, it has been recently proposed to re-target it to Völkisch movement (German ethnic and nationalist movement). Myotus (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Delete: If Völkisch movement was the only logical target I would agree, but I think this a serious WP:XY problem.Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov correctly points out thatessentially no sources refer to the ideology of Folkspartei as Folkism andthat Folkism is an english translation of Volkism; however, Folkism also seems to refer to a concept in Nigeria theater studied by Sam Ukala called Folkism.I think the XY comes in as to whether to retarget to Völkisch movement or Sam Ukala#Folkism. TartarTorte 19:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)- Ironically if you read about the Jewish People's Party out side of Wikipedia the connection to Folkism is explained. The Wikipedia article does a poor job of it. Currently I do not have the time or the knowledge to properly write out the article. I propose that instead of a redirect a disambiguation page is created with links going to Folkspartei, Sam Ukala, and the Völkisch movement. Myotus (talk) 21:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know how I missed YIVO as that is generally my go to resource for 19th and 20th century Jewish politics, and of course they have an article on them.[1] TartarTorte 21:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- I like this idea, I support it. Nikolai Gennadievich Nazarov (talk) 02:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
- Ironically if you read about the Jewish People's Party out side of Wikipedia the connection to Folkism is explained. The Wikipedia article does a poor job of it. Currently I do not have the time or the knowledge to properly write out the article. I propose that instead of a redirect a disambiguation page is created with links going to Folkspartei, Sam Ukala, and the Völkisch movement. Myotus (talk) 21:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Weiser, Kalman (6 August 2010). "Folkists". YIVO Encyclopedia of Jews in Eastern Europe. YIVO. Retrieved 15 May 2022.
- Disambiguate: After Myotus has pointed out that Folkism (and after confirming with a YIVO source) is used to refer to the Jewish People's Party, Nikolai has pointed out that it refers to Völkisch Movement and I found that as well this refers to a concept written about by Sam Ukala, this should be DABified. TartarTorte 21:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Making my thoughts on this official. Myotus (talk) 00:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Special military operation
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Mikhail Morozov
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HM The King & HM The Queen
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Indian Food Recipes
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Barrier Islands of New Jersey
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Drip Drip Drop
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American peasant
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Antigua-Barbuda-Redonda
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Fish-hook theory
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You will die
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Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Russian invasion of Ukraine → List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 24 § Russian invasion of Ukraine – Retarget to List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine
- Russia invaded Ukraine → List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Russian attack on Ukraine → List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Russian invasion of the Ukraine → List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Anyone searching for Russian Invasion of Ukraine is clearly referring to the current invasion of Ukraine by Russia instead of the list of historical conflicts, not least because "Russian invasion of Ukraine" is how the front page refers to the topic. Other editors keep reverting, referring to an RFD that took place before the war broke out.
Would strongly suggest that the redirect should target 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine Hentheden (talk) 22:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- FYI, the war broke out eight years before that RFD. —Michael Z. 04:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support The current 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is receiving about 175K page count per day for the last month and seems like the correct destination for the redirect at this time. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:38, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support This is clearly a close alternative to (and most likely targets) 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine. List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine should be treated with a hatnote from 2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Listed the previous RfD here. Note that it was nominated on the day of the invasion (24 Feb) and closed after discussion of more than a week (8 Mar). The nomination statement of "before the war" is incorrect. Jay (talk) 05:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per above as it can be solved with a hatnote. Sahaib (talk) 06:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would have appreciated a notification here. I imagine Champion would have as well, as the
other editor[ who kept] reverting
. (Note that if you're describing people as "keep[ing] reverting", that's a strong indicator that you're in an edit war. You shouldn't be making the same revert multiple times when nothing has changed. But I appreciate that you've now brought this here.) Courtesy ping also to Mzajac, who has expressed strong feelings on what should be included in the target article.As Jay says, the previous RfD was in the context of the ongoing invasion. There was no question in that discussion that the current invasion was the most currently-relevant Russian invasion of Ukraine. No facts have changed in that regard. As such, I would expect an RfD only two months later to explain why we should so swiftly reverse an existing consensus, and I don't see such an explanation. Wikipedia is not a breaking-news source. We are an encyclopedia. We handle navigation from a non-recentist point of view. French presidential election redirects to Presidential elections in France, even though certainly in terms of usage the past few months it primarily refers to the 2022 French presidential election. I don't see any reason to think that, from a big-picture point of view, "Russian invasion of Ukraine" refers more definitively to the 2022 invasion than to the 1659, 1918, 1919, 1939, February 2014, or August 2014 invasions, the last of which in particular was widely referred to as simply "the Russian invasion of Ukraine" in the newsmedia up till two months ago. If someone encounters this term in a book, past news article, speech, etc., they should not be brought to the article on the invasion that happens to be most recent. So keep. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)- Also, if the 2022 invasion is the primary topic for "Russian invasion of Ukraine", then wouldn't the correct course of action be to move that page to this title per WP:CONCISE? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 01:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Bundled 3 from last time. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 21:15, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support. I feel recentism applies more to articles than to redirects, but to follow the advice of that essay (specifically WP:10YT) I do think that this will be the "Russian invasion of Ukraine" for at least a generation (unless, of course, something worse happens in the future). This is a bit different to the French presidential election example, because these happen at regular intervals while this (I do hope) isn't something that will be repeated. Guettarda (talk) 21:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support but add hatnote to List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine at proposed target article.--Lenticel (talk) 01:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support as the majority of users of this redirect are doubtless intending to navigate to 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. The minority of users interested in other historical invasions can be served by a hatnote on that article. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 13:36, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment The redirect Russian attack on Ukraine is not an exact synonym, and can represent a much broader range of subjects, including, for example, 2014 Russian cross-border shelling of Ukraine, Ukraine power grid hack, 2017 Ukraine ransomware attacks, Russian information war against Ukraine, Russian–Ukrainian cyberwarfare, etcetera. —Michael Z. 18:09, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging the participants of the previous RfD: Deathstar3548, Slywriter, Elli, eviolite, AFreshStart, My very best wishes, Bonoahx, NorsemanII, Liz, Des Vallee, Fephisto, BRAINULATOR9, ReyHahn, MB, Facts707, BilledMammal, Beland, Tavix. Jay (talk) 08:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support This event is certainly significant and will be continue to be significant, and deserves this redirect. Deathstar3548 (talk) 11:53, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support the first three ones, Delete the last one. There's a country called Ukraine; there is no country called the Ukraine. — kashmīrī TALK 15:13, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support. I will copy my previous statement as it remains valid and applicable: The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine dwarfs the prior Russian incursions/occupations of Ukraine. The vast majority of English-speaking Wikipedians searching for "Russian invasion of Ukraine" almost certainly are (and for the foreseeable future will be) referring to this. Of course, for those who are not, the article can have a disambig tag at the top linking to the list of other possibilities. This is in line with how we handle redirects for other major conflicts with an obvious intended meaning, see for example:
- "Invasion of Iraq" -> 2003 invasion of Iraq with a disambig tag at the top for other invasions of Iraq besides the obvious one.
- "Invasion of Afghanistan" -> United States invasion of Afghanistan with a redirect tag at the top for people who might have meant a different invasion from the obvious one, like the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.
- "Invasion of Grenada" -> United States invasion of Grenada, though there's a redirect template at the top for people who meant to go to Capture of Grenada (1779) (by the French).
- "Invasion of Poland" refers to the obvious 1939 invasion by Germany and the Soviet union, but there's an about tag if you were looking for the Slovak invasion of Poland, or for other invasions of Poland it links to Invasion of Poland (disambiguation).
- "Russian invasion of Georgia" -> Russo-Georgian War (the obvious recent one in 2008), though there's a 'for' template at the top for anyone who meant the Red Army invasion of Georgia in 1921.
- -NorsemanII (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support - As I said on the previous RfD: Looking at daily page views we have millions at 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and thousands at List of invasions and occupations of Ukraine (even after the retargeting), which I interpret as meaning nearly everyone is interested in the current conflict only. So targeting that minimizes clicking. Anyone interested in the other conflicts can click through to the list from the hatnote (which would need to be added). This may change with historical distance, but that's fine. -- Beland (talk) 18:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral, just for some consistency in my opinions. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 01:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per ErnestKrause. Fephisto (talk) 13:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support. (I wrote the following before I fully read the proponent's reasons) Think about this: when someone mentionns "Michael Jackson" they're not thinking about the programmer and authon, nor the radio talk show host in Los Angeles. They are thinking of the late singer-songwriter, and that is reflected here in the unqualified name goes to his article; for evertone else they are directed toward the redirect oage. Clearly, for the duration of the war, and probably for many years to come, almost everyone trying to look up the article on the 2022 invasion, not to the earlier ones (although it should have a link to any other Russian invasions of Ukraine..
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Relisting comment: Since three redirects were added after the day the nomination started, and since consensus seems a bit split still, can't hurt to give this another week.
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- Since this has been relisted, I'll reiterate my question: If the 2022 invasion really is the primary topic for "Russian invasion of Ukraine", isn't the solution to move the article to that title? The outcome proposed here would violate WP:CONCISE. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 13:39, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- I think 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is the best title of the article, and the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT situation isn't intolerable. WP:CONCISE isn't absolute and there are plenty of examples of redirects that are more concise than their targets, e.g. Obama → Barack Obama, NFL → National Football League, Jersey City → Jersey City, New Jersey. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 17:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
- That would be a solution, but is an entirely separate discussion that has been extensively discussed on said page. In light of that consensus likely not changing anytime soon, the more minor issue of what a redirect goes to should be fixed. Regarding whether it is a violation of WP:CONCISE, as @Rublov points out it is not absolute and WP:Ignore all rules dictates that we should do what is best here to properly maintain the encyclopedia. With that in mind, would someone with the rights/knowledge mind closing this discussion, as not only does there appear to be a clear consensus but the redirect just looks broken now to anyone who goes to it (Russian invasion of Ukraine) which is not what anyone thought best. Hentheden (talk) 17:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep targetted at dominant use (2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine ), make sure the target has a hatote about other esoteric historical uses. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
- copied over from previous log page at 00:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC) by J947 † edits
- Support Again. Adding to my previous support recommendation, I'll also add that I agree with Tamzin's recommendation that the 2022 article have a hatmote referring to the other Ukrainian invasions. I have presumed that this will eventually be where this redirection goes, so I have put a hatnote to this effect in the 2022 article of the redirection, and the hatnore references the "master list" of Ukranian Invasions. I do not think the 2022 article shold be moved to this redirect. I'll give my reason: once this war ends it is possible Russia might invade Ukraine again, in a year, two, ten, or twenty or more; you never can tell. I don't think anyone expected one bt Russia again just eight years after Russia annexed the Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. So I think for now, this redirect should point to the 2022 invasion, and if another one happens, point it there, and put a hatnote to the Master List in the new article, chaning that article's reference from {{Redirect}} to {{For}} .
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Thank you.
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American financial crisis
- American financial crisis → Great Recession#United States policy responses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There were lots of financial crises, e.g. the Great Depression. Why is this particular one being singled out? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- We have a List of recessions in the United States (in Category:Recessions in the United States), but Category:Economic crises in the United States has no corresponding list. Would retargeting this to the list of recessions be close enough? - Eureka Lott 22:29, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think so. That doesn't include things like the Dot-com bubble, for example. The problem, as I see it, is that "financial crisis" is such a nebulous, ill-defined, overly broad term. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't love redirects to categories, but that might be the best option here, and the presence of a navbox in the category softens the blow at least. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 00:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- American Financial Crisis was an occasionally-used contemporary media name/reference for the 2008-2009 recession, at that time. So, to answer the earlier question, the redirect was there because people were still figuring out what to call it, while it was happening. Since different names for that event subsequently became popular, it's likely better to redirect to a more general term or list. Xaliqen (talk) 01:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - The history of the U.S. financial services industry is detailed, long, and complex, with many moments of crisis taking place, and I'd rather that we just let people search. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:43, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete many many financial crises, and many of them not recessions (ie. S&L collapse, dotcom crash, etc) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 10:58, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of recessions in the United States. With regards to concerns by others, the dot-com bubble is mentioned under Early 2000s recession, and the S&L collapse, though not mentioned in the list comes under Early 1990s recession in the United States. Jay (talk) 10:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget' per above. I'm sympathetic to the argument that we shouldn't redirect the general set of financial crises to the narrower set of recessions, but looking at that list, I'm hard pressed to come up with an example of any significant economic crisis in US history that isn't included. signed, Rosguill talk 20:52, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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Green state
- Green state → Robyn Eckersley#The Green State (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous term. I've seen "green state" to refer to states where the Green Party has control, states that are environmentally friendly, or states where cannabis is legal. Given the wide variety of uses I've seen for the term, this does not seem to be the ideal target. Either delete or cross-redirect to Wiktionary. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as vague and ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect to wikt:green state, which lists two of the nom's definitions. People may search "green state" here, but they might be WP:ASTONISHed to end up at the target. Regards, SONIC678 05:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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Retarget toKeep at Robyn_Eckersley#The_Green_State where the term green state is described. --Lenticel (talk) 06:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)- Delete as per Shhhnotsoloud and WP:SSRT. Veverve (talk) 06:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Green state should become an article or be redirected to Green politics Loremaster (talk) 23:02, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - it does appear to be ambiguous, and I also found an article using it in the political science sense that predates the 2004 article at the target [24]. signed, Rosguill talk 20:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Heart 103.5
- Heart 103.5 → Heart Sussex (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm unsure where this should go. Someone attempted to retarget to Heart Sussex, but neither this nor DWKX are high-affinity targets for the name "Heart 103.5". I wonder if deletion is merited. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: apparently, it is another radio station, but I found nothing on it appart from this logo; no mention at the target. Veverve (talk) 07:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to DWKX#2007:_Heart_FM where the name of this radio station is mentioned several times. CycloneYoris talk! 09:29, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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Kenya at the 2022 Winter Olympics
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Software Update
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Stirrer (cooking)
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Poor housing
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Dab hand
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IND West End Line
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Friday Night Lights- (Album)
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Yevrey
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Euclidean norm
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APRIL2023
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Funny Garbage
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Hawaii World War II Army Airfields
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l England
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Live entertainment
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Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands
- Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands → Old Catholic Church of the Netherlands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands → Old Catholic Church of the Netherlands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I found no source claiming this expression is ever used to designate this group or Old Catholicism. Britannica does not say anything; Google scholar uses refer to catholic (term) with no reference to Old Catholics, and "Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands" gives one result which is a self-published (iUniverse) book that does not help in knowing whether it is the same entity or another group called 'Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands'. It was previously stated that "Ancient Catholic Church" was one of the names of this group; I have removed this information since it was nowhere to be found.
The best explanation I can find is that it is an erroneous translation of the expression 'Oud-Katholieke' ('Old Catholic').
The expression itself is very ambiguous.
Therefore, I think those should be deleted.
Note : the separation between this RfD and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 17#Ancient Catholic Church is on purpose. Veverve (talk) 22:56, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:CHEAP. I think that unlike the ones below [ see RfD ] that are just the Ancient catholic church in general, when you add the of the Netherlands qualifier, the WP:SURPRISE element goes away. It is to some extent implausible, but it's not seeming to cause any issues here. I will say, the self published source gives me some pause just because it is unclear as to what that is referring and if that is referring to a different church that someone other than the author uses to mean a different church, then this probably should be deleted, but seeing no evidence of that I still think these should be kept. Just as a note, thank you Veverve for splitting these nominations up. I really appreciate it. TartarTorte 18:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TartarTorte: thanks. As for your argument: redirects are cheap, but must have a logical reason to exist. 'Ancient Catholic Church of the Netherlands' is never used to refer to the Old Catholic Church of the Netherlands. Veverve (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Weak delete - it is incorrect as a title and seems like an unlikely search term (possibly originating by mistranslating to the French cognate ancien?), but it also seems relatively harmless. signed, Rosguill talk 20:29, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Old Catholic church is the more generally recognised term, and has a stronger apostolic succession. --Whiteguru (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Custard pear
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Foreign matter in refined sugar
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Template:Absatz
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Jeremy Robert Donaldson
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NC-17 (album)
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List of Paris Hilton's My New BFF episodes
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Sportpark Slangenbeek
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Wikipedia:SIGNIFICANT
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UCD Hockey Club
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Disney'
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Nation of China
- Nation of China → China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirect to Chinese people, based off of precedent from other '_ nation' redirects like Irish nation, Nation of Pakistan or Pakistani nation. BTW, I plan to propose merging Zhonghua minzu into Chinese people#Zhonghua minzu (the "Chinese nation"). Balkovec (talk) 08:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet)
- Comment: Chinese nation redirects to Zhonghua minzu. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Setindexify to Han people, Chinese people, Zhonghua minzu, Tianxia (All Under Heaven) -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 23:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - This terminology seems as if it can refer to multiple different things, none of them with a solid leg over the other necessarily. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
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- DABify or Setindexify per above, the expression can refer to many things. Preference for setindexifying. Veverve (talk) 10:46, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Destruction of the Twelve Colonies
- Destruction of the Twelve Colonies → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Destruction of the twelve colonies → Battlestar Galactica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target page references a subject named "Twelve Colonies" in various places, but does not reference its destruction. For this reason, the redirects are misleading since the specific information the redirects are referencing is not located in the target article. However, Destruction of the Twelve Colonies was supposed to be redirected (well, supposed to be merged) to the now-redirected Twelve Colonies (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twelve Colonies (2nd nomination)) as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Destruction of the Twelve Colonies (2nd nomination), so it was apparently redirected to the current target instead; the redirection was carried out by an editor who was determined to be a sockpuppet, so the redirection may possibly be reverted to allow another chance to merge the material ... or not since I'm not sure where the material will go at this point since there's not even a dedicated section for the redirected Twelve Colonies subject. Steel1943 (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- NOTE: If this is reverted to being an article, to allow carrying out the AFDmerge; the AFDmerge template needs to be updated to indicate the AFDpage, as it was moved in 2022, breaking the old AFDmerge template on the pre-redirection page. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I would suggest that the current target already supports the existence of these redirects, since one of the intro paragraphs already documents the premise of the BSG universe, the destruction of the Twelve Colonies. It just doesn't use the set term "Destruction of the Twelve Colonies". Based on the passage the Cylons carry out a massive nuclear attack on the Twelve Colonies and on the Colonial Fleet of starships that protect them. These attacks devastate the Colonial Fleet, lay waste to the Colonies, and virtually destroy all but a population of 50,000., it literally describes the destruction of the Twelve Colonies. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete While Twelve Colonies is very much a viable redirect due to having intrinsic plot significance, this one is too specific to be a viable one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
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Left-wing fascism
- Left-wing fascism → Fascism#Position in the political spectrum (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Red fascism exists, and the section Fascism#Position in the political spectrum does not cover what one would expect by typing "Left-wing fascism". I feel maybe the redirect should be either retargeted to Red fascism, or turned into a DAB with Red fascism and Fascism#Position in the political spectrum. Veverve (talk) 12:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The original article was deleted because there is no body of literature to explain the notability of the expression. Basically, six authors had written "left-wing fascism," but they all meant different things and did not refer to one another. It's like the term large fish. Each person using the expression will have a different meaning and there is no notable topic. TFD (talk) 21:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete because it has different meanings? What? I don't understand how anyone could have a problem with Left-wing fascism redirecting to Fascism. Where else would the reader learn about what "left-wing fascism" is (and its various meanings) other than the article Fascism? Delete because there is no notable topic? Double what? Since when do redirects need to be notable? I mean, kind of the point of redirects is that they're used for search terms that don't have a notable topic... like left-wing facism... Are you new to RFD? :-P Levivich 16:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - "Left-wing fascism" is discussed at the target, "Fascism#Position in the political spectrum" (search for "fascist left"). It is not discussed at the proposed new target, "Red fascism". As far as I know, it's not discussed at any other potential target except the current one. Readers who want to know what "left-wing fascism" is will find out by reading about it at the article "Fascism". I don't understand what the problem is. Also note the nom has been TBANed from "Russia" at AE. Levivich 16:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, in line with the decision of the latest AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Left-wing_fascism_(4th_nomination). --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- ...delete per the AFD where two out of four delete voters suggested a redirect, which is why I created this redirect? Levivich 04:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The outcome of the discussion was "delete", not "delete & redirect". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- "Delete" does not mean "delete and do not redirect", and no one objected to redirecting. Redirect was suggested partway through by one voter, and the only other voter to vote afterwards agreed. We could ping everyone who voted and see what the think. I'm still baffled that anyone would want to delete this redirect. Why erase this term from the encyclopedia, it's an obvious search term, and readers should be pointed to somewhere that explains what it is (and isn't). "Cuz the AFD" is a pretty poor argument. What is your substantive objection to this redirect? Levivich 05:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging the participants in the AFD in case they want to comment here: MjolnirPants, DanielRigal, Inadvertent Consequences, Slatersteven, Cdjp1, and Generalrelative. Levivich 15:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. I have commented below. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- The outcome of the discussion was "delete", not "delete & redirect". --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Now that we have Daniel and Slater's comments below, we can say that out of the 4 delete voters in the AFD, only 1 says this redirect should be deleted. That doesn't determine the outcome of this RFD, but I think it negates the "in line with the decision of the latest AfD" rationale. Levivich 03:23, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- ...delete per the AFD where two out of four delete voters suggested a redirect, which is why I created this redirect? Levivich 04:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as it seems a bit forkey, a way of keeping "left-wing fascism" by hook or by crrok. I am also unsure the target mentions it. Slatersteven (talk) 15:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- When the reader searches for "left-wing fascism" or clicks that link the first thing they see when they're brought to the target is
Most scholars place fascism on the far right of the political spectrum.
, which is exactly what they should see when they search for "left-wing fascism". Do you not want to educate readers that the mainstream view is that fascism is not left-wing? We don't accomplish that by censoring the term, by removing it entirely from the encyclopedia. Hook or crook my foot. You seriously think I'm trying to say fascism is left wing? Ffs, SS. Levivich 16:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)- I have no real idea what you want, what I do know is this has been an issue in the past. I suspect that if this redirect is kept it will be an issue again, for exactly the reason you state "I wanted to find out about the truth behind "left-wing fascism". If we said something about it in the target (as in "experts agree fascism is not left wing" (or some such)), the fact is we do not. So we are (in effect) invot9iomg people to add something about left wing fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- What problems? This redirect has existed for a year, we've had no problems. And the target does say fascism is not left wing, I just quoted it. Sheesh, how is "fascism is right wing" not the same as "fascism is not left wing"? There's a whole section in the fascism article called "position on the political spectrum", which is the target of this redirect. I honestly don't know what you're talking about when you say the target doesn't talk about it, when there's a whole section devoted to it. Levivich 16:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have no real idea what you want, what I do know is this has been an issue in the past. I suspect that if this redirect is kept it will be an issue again, for exactly the reason you state "I wanted to find out about the truth behind "left-wing fascism". If we said something about it in the target (as in "experts agree fascism is not left wing" (or some such)), the fact is we do not. So we are (in effect) invot9iomg people to add something about left wing fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- When the reader searches for "left-wing fascism" or clicks that link the first thing they see when they're brought to the target is
- NOT delete. I know this is not one of the normal options but my !vote really is "NOT delete". There are multiple arguable options here, including the status quo, but deletion is not one of them. My "tentative delete" vote on the AfD was based on the awful state of the article that was proposed for deletion not a desire to expunge the term completely. In fact, I said that
"it may be that there is scope for a valid article on this subject"
. If somebody searches for the term then we need to give them what they want. The problem is working out what that is. Some may be chuds, or those bamboozled by chuds, looking for anything to support the idiotic belief that fascism is left wing. For them, the current target is perfect. It explains where fascism really lies in the political spectrum. Far from legitimising this silly phrase, anything we can do to funnel people searching for it towards the truth of the matter is worthwhile. (There is a lot to be said for deliberately making redirects so that anybody searching for edgelord terminology gets pointed towards accurate information that will help to deflate whatever misconceptions caused them to do that specific search.) Others may be looking for something more specific without knowing the correct term to search for e.g. Red fascism or Strasserism. I don't think we can guess which of those they want so a retargeting to Red fascism would be arbitrary and almost certainly unhelpful to more people than it helps. I am not against a disambiguation page but it absolutely must prioritise the current target as the main item if it is to be valid. It would also need careful watching to prevent anybody morphing it back into anything like the awful mess that got deleted, as well as to keep an eye out for general POV pushing. Maybe it is more trouble than it is worth? I'm not sure so I'm not going to advocate a specific outcome here. I just want to be clear that my delete !vote on the AfD was specific to that AfD and does not carry over to this discussion. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete, probably The term is highly problematical and I'm not sure that a satisfactory article on the topic could ever be written. The target doesn't actually mention or explain it. Also, note in passing the article about a book called Liberal fascism which in its lead says: "...the mainstream view among historians and political scientists that maintains fascism is a far-right ideology" . I'd lean towards delete, else add more content at the target plus a redirect hatnote to Red fascism and Liberal fascism. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
- Not delete Keep. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is getting a reputation for left-wing bias and when students, researchers and the general public discover that articles offering counterarguments to Wikipedia’s ‘perceived wisdom’ are being deleted irrespective of their merits they will assume bias and be correct.Inadvertent Consequences (talk) 11:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think I have ever seen anybody talk themselves into the right answer for wronger reasons. ;-) DanielRigal (talk) 17:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect to Fascism#Fascist as a pejorative, that section does talk about fascism in regard to communist states. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 22:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Levivich and DanielRigal, the information at the target is informative to a reader searching this term, as it both explains the RS consensus perspective of where fascism is positioned on the political spectrum, and provides additional context on the use of fascism as a pejorative for non-rightist authoritarians. signed, Rosguill talk 20:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I think Levivich and DanielRigal's arguments are very compelling but ultimately founder on the the question of utility to the reader in the absence of a mention in the target. Redirects don't have to be mentioned in the target in absolutely every case, but I struggle to think of a case where it wouldn't be necessary, or wouldn't lead to avoidable confusion, for the name of a political concept to point to a target where that concept isn't directly discussed. This is compounded by the fact that there is a body of scholarship on "left-wing fascism" unrelated to right-wing both-sides-ism or Jonah Goldberg-type nonsense (I'm thinking mostly of work by Jürgen Habermas), which could be covered in the encyclopaedia but isn't; given we don't have any encyclopaedic coverage of that topic or related topics, we're better off making the reader aware of that rather than pointing them to something tangentially related and without a mention of the term. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
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Spit kingdom
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Bob Vylan
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N.A.A.M. Brigade
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Sister Isle
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Several redirects to Gold as an investment
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Urban division
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Joe D. Foster
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Red Line (MNRR New Canaan Branch)
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Blue Line (Staten Island Railway)
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Chernihiv breadline massacre
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2022 Chernihiv breadline massacre
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Mana (Anglo-Saxon)
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La Nueva
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La Nueva can mean things from WDCN-LD,Branded as La Nueva to La nueva Francia,an Argentinian film.Just like La Mega,I think La Nueva should be dabified. Danubeball (talk) 17:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: La nueva Francia, and any other titled work beginning with "La Nueva..." (La Nueva Cuba, La Nueva España, La Nueva cigarra, etc.) are partial title matches, and so likely do not need disambiguating ('La nueva' simply means "The new" in Spanish). La Nueva Provincia seems to have rebranded to simply La Nueva, which was my original impetus for creating the redirect (that article should perhaps be moved to La Nueva or La Nueva (newspaper)). Few other entities on English Wikipedia seem to be titled with an unqualified "La Nueva": radio stations like La Nueva 87.7, WODA#La Nueva 94, KQQK#La Nueva "Z" and WIRA all seem to be primarily qualified with the FM/AM frequency or other brand on official websites and branding, raising the issue of which name, if any, should be a primary topic. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- DABify per nom and Animalparty. Veverve (talk) 12:26, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Nueva and add "La Nueva" (The New) values there; alternately directly dabify -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
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G.I. Jane II
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Inbound marketing
- Inbound marketing → Product management#Inbound and outbound (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The article was deleted at AFD after redirect was considered & not taken as the discussion's outcome. The redirect was boldly created about 6 weeks later. It has no inbound links from any article. Cabayi (talk) 14:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't get your point. Apokrif (talk) 14:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. The AfD discussion did not choose this target, which in any case does not contain the specified section and is generally unhelpful. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate basically as a copy of the Outbound marketing dab. Jay (talk) 10:21, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete unless it can be demonstrated that inbound marketing can refer to the two concepts listed at Outbound marketing, or other titles to be disambiguated. signed, Rosguill talk 20:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
Supreme Leader of Myanmar
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Wikipedia:S
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Retarget to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources, which is possibly the most important resource for newcomer content writers. Currently, WP:S is basically unused, way under the shadow of the main shortcut H:S. Excessive numbers of shortcuts defeat the benefit of shortcuts.
In contrast, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Sources is probably the most important, undervalued section in the whole of the project for new content writers, and it has shortcuts that are hard to remember. This would be a much better use for WP:S.
If this is not shot down for a reason I don't expect, I will advertise this discussion on the relevant pages. SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Convert to disambiguation page. A section of a subpage is too specialized for a one-letter shortcut. WP:S could mean a lot things and a cross-namespace redirect to Help:Searching is not the most natural. WP:S has a lot of incoming links but nearly all of them are from alphabetical lists of all one-letter WP shortcuts without saying where they go, so changing it doesn't break those uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Making a disambiguation page out of something that is essentially never used is just silly. Is the aim to make sure that such a high value shortcut remains unused?
- A section of of a subpage may sound "specialised", but this is part of the point. It is not "specialised" but centrally important to the most basic editor function on the project, writing content. This section, currently WP:RSPSS, is way out of balance in terms of how important it is to the prominence of its location. A single-character shortcut may be sufficient to fix that, and will certainly help. I considered suggesting WP:RSPSS be spun out to its own page, but decided against this, because, despite its standalone usefulness to content writing, its maintenance is extremely detailed and it should be boldly edited by newcomers without reading the extensive context present above.
- WP:S could mean a lot of things, but current doesn't. And what better meaning to give it than Sources for content? -- SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we pick a Sources target then it should be the same as WP:SOURCE and WP:SOURCES, meaning Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources. I'm fine with that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I had looked at that and gave it some thought. In terms of Policy, WP:SOURCES is the root of policy on sources, but it is extremely limited to policy-wonk-thought, and it is not very good, notably in how it fails to adequately cross reference WP:PSTS (Primary, secondary and tertiary sources). Limited to Policy theory that is not immediately practical. It is a partial blurb on the theory that undies the source rules. In contrast, WP:RSPSS is the end result list that edits should consult.
- The shortcuts are not meant to be a content guide, but quick reference memorable shortcuts. Editors on the ground do not a quicker reference to the non-practical section of WP:V. They need it to get to the sources cheat sheet, WP:RSPSS.
- Also, having multiple catchy shortcuts pointing to the same thing is another waste of catchy shortcuts. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- If we pick a Sources target then it should be the same as WP:SOURCE and WP:SOURCES, meaning Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources. I'm fine with that. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep since this redirect has targeted the current page (or a redirect towards it leftover from page moves) since 2007. At this point, due to targeting the current page for about 15 years, there's too much potential for links in edit summaries to be broken in the event the redirect is retargeted. If necessary to disambiguate "S", Wikipedia:S (disambiguation) could be created, but that may be overkill; it may be better to just add a hatnote for 1–2 other possibilities that "WP:S" could refer to, and call it a day. Steel1943 (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- While I could not check ancient edit summaries, I did check many incoming links, and they are basically all junk. This shortcut was made without much thought, and never given any use. More than half seemed to be complete mistakes. If a future wikiarcheologist (like me) wants to discover what was going on with an odd talk page pipe, then it will be facilitated by the edit to the redirect including a link to this discussion. Archaeology doesn't mean "preserve everything", it is good enough to keep records.
- Putting a hatnote on pages that WP:S could point to, or has ever pointed to, is completely nutty if you note the pageviews. Nobody uses WP:S. Hatnotes make clutter in the prime real estate of the page. SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- disambiguate per Prime Hunter -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 22:43, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep per Steel1943 and Do not disambiguate as that makes the shortcut useless for everybody. I've spot-checked a number of the incoming links and they either refer to the current target, WP:SOURCE (which is not the proposed target) or are part of a list. Thryduulf (talk) 15:41, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Thryduulf. Agree, "Disambiguate" makes it useless for everybody, but "Keep" keeps it useless for everybody (a never used redundant option to the better H:S)
- I spot checked many incoming links, and many are mistakes, many are to an old ~2007 target, and all are unimportant. There basically never was any editing where people had a reason to write the wikilink WP:S as a shortcut to the help page for searching, it was silly then, and has been silly for many years. There are certainly far far more mistaken incoming links than intended proper uses (I found none).
- What is your desired outcome? That WP:S is forever junk? SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - the existing incoming links suggest that the current target is not particularly useful. signed, Rosguill talk 22:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate (draft available below the redirect). I've checked about a dozen incoming links: a third of them seemed to intend WP:SOURCE, a few were for Help:Search and the rest were for either WP:Summary style or WP:Synthesis. Definitely no prospect for a suitable target here. As for the objection that dabifying will make the shortcut useless for everybody: whatever target is otherwise chosen, the majority of uses will be wrong, and that's worse than being simply useless. SmokeyJoe, for the list of perennial sources, won't it make more sense to instead usurp WP:LPS or WP:PSL, or use WP:S/P (for Sources/perennial)? – Uanfala (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Uanfala, the point about draftifing making it useless for everyone is that it keeps it useless, as in "unused". No one will benefit a disambiguation because no one uses it. Of the incoming links that you checked, did you note how old they were, and where they were coming from? From around 2007, and from fairly confused talk threads, which I think was mostly because WP:S was never a recommended shortcut for anything, and the only uses it got were from people being careless. I checked a lot more than a dozen.
- It is currently available with no modern baggage. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here are all the existing uses where the shortcuts is piped [25] and where it's used on its own [26]. – Uanfala (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources because I like the idea of syncing it up with WP:SOURCES. I agree with Rosguill that the current target is not particularly useful, but I also agree with Thryduulf that disambiguating at this title would make it useless for everybody because it would no longer function as a shortcut. I do like Steel1943's idea of creating Wikipedia:S (disambiguation) which would catch the incorrect linkages and those who guess wrong. -- Tavix (talk) 01:35, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- User:Tavix, Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable sources already has WP:SOURCES, and that section is not particularly useful, unlike my proposed target, which is very useful, should be used by every newcomer, and lacks a good shortcut. SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, don't retagret as that will mean links for searching in discussion pages will end up at the wrong place. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Strong keep - Projectspace shortcuts are ambiguous by their very nature. This long-standing single letter redirect should not be tampered with through retargeting or made to lose its function through disambiguating. This shortcut has pointed to content regarding searching since c. 2007. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 23:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Genocide of Kashmiri Hindus
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Green state
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Sabji
- Sabji → Sabzi#Culinary uses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target is a section of a disambiguation page with 3 entries, 2 of which are Iranian dishes, with the spelling variant sabzi, and are partial title matches. Note that sabzi is the Persian word for herbs.
The other entry in the DAB that has the bluelink Indian cuisine says that sabzi or sabji is a vegetable cooked in gravy, however Indian cuisine doesn't have a mention of sabji but has mentions of some states using the word sabzi as a generic food menu item.
I would have preferred a standalone article, but if that is not happening, what would a better target be? The previous target was Curry which had no mention of sabji (or sabzi). Moreover, curry can refer to non-vegetarian dishes, whereas sabji would be vegetable-based. Jay (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note that this is a fallout of the ongoing WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 28#Shabji. Jay (talk) 20:29, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate (drafted below the redirect). Many of the major languages of India don't have /z/ as a native sound (and if they do, it's usually confined to educated speech), so sabzi (a loanword from Persian) is often adapted as sabji, and this has made its way into English spelling as well. I don't know if 'cooked vegetables in Indian cuisine' deserves an article, but the term is something readers will definitely want to look up here. Given that there's no current article that clearly defines it and that there exists another (much less common) meaning, it's most practical to disambiguate. That should happen separately from Sabzi, because the spelling with j isn't used for the other entries on that dab page. – Uanfala (talk) 14:15, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the dab as the second entry bhang has no mention of sabji, sabzi or subjee. Jay (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's from the OED [27]. Sorry, I've hid the ref on the dab page inside an html comment: explicit refs on dab pages tend to attract editors who swoop in to remove them as part of "cleanup". – Uanfala (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the dab as the second entry bhang has no mention of sabji, sabzi or subjee. Jay (talk) 14:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Sabzi: This article is a mispelling of the word Sabzi and we already have a disambiguation page for that article. It was already moved to Sabzi by User:Cookmughlai in 2009 as is evident in the page log, which states: "Sabzi is the correct spelling and pronunciation. Sabji is a regional z->j colloquialism." Moreover, this is English Wikipedia and such an article shouldn't exist here. I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 01:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Dab pages regularly combine similar terms (like AWA or Awa), but usually two conditions need to be met: 1) there needs to be significant overlap between the referents of the terms (e.g. acronyms aren't always written in all caps, and readers mostly search for them in lower case), and 2) the average reader can be expected to eaily figure out what can be referred to by each term (e.g. readers know how letter case is used). This is not the case here: the dab page Sabzi can have at most two entries for "sabji" vs. almost a dozen for "sabzi", and readers who aren't from the region will not know that e.g. "sabji" can never refer to the Iranian topics. – Uanfala (talk) 14:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - currently the only usage other than Sabzi#Culinary at the drafted standalone DAB is an old-fashioned slang term for bhang/cannabis that doesn't have its own article. Given the circumstances, it seems pretty clear that the bhang usage is derived from either the culinary usage or the Persian term and can be inferred by the reader. If that's the only other usage for the new dab page, I think the status quo is fine. signed, Rosguill talk 19:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
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Indianapolis explosion
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Strings (2014 film)
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Poor housing
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Ars arcana
- Ars arcana → Magic in fiction (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article unclear. In addition, third party searches return results for either a book/publication or a band. Steel1943 (talk) 19:28, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: This redirect was the result of a merge in 2006, but the section with the merged content was boldly removed by an IP in 2008 and as far as I can tell not restored. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:21, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment this could equally point to the general topic of magic, as the arcane arts or ars arcana. I should think that arcane arts should be a set index, and the latinate term ars arcana should redirect to it. It should list magic, magic in fiction, spycraft, assassination craft, alchemy, occult worship, as the entries; with see alsos to the disambiguation pages for arcane (disambiguation) and arcana (disambiguation) and the wiktionary entries wikt:arcane & wikt:arcana -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:02, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete for now due to a lack of mention. If that situation were to change, this can always be recreated. -- Tavix (talk) 01:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment ideally this should be kept in some form for attribution, as the merged content would persist in the history of the current target; if deleted, some sort of maneuver (dummy edit perhaps) would need to happen for attribution. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Seor
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Live entertainment
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Joseph Stalins's religious views
- Joseph Stalins's religious views → Joseph Stalin#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Joseph Stalin and religion → Joseph Stalin#Religion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The section which this redirect targets doesn't exist. Upon reviewing the target page, there the word "religion" occurs once, and it's location doesn't seem to contain enough distinct information to rationalize the existence of this redirect; in other words, readers looking up this term are not going to find the information they are trying to find. Steel1943 (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Seems as though there was content at this titles submitted for WP:AFD via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Stalins's religious views in 2015. Looks like the discussion was closed to "keep", even though at the time, the article consisted of one sentence? Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- The article had an entire (unsourced) paragraph upon creation [28]. – Uanfala (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. The target has some relevant content (though no in a neatly delimited section): there's a paragraph about young Joseph's life at the seminary and how he became an atheist, and then a few sentences about his anti-religious policies as a leader. The redirects aren't terribly useful, but I don't think they're particularly bad either. I'm not sure to what an extent we should be bound by the outcome of the 2015 AfD: the article material was minimal, and the outcome of the AfD was effectively abandoned when immediately after the close someone turned the page into a redirect, without apparently anyone objecting. I guess it's also possible to re-create an article by splitting out the former section [29], but I don't think that's the optimal solution. – Uanfala (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete. I've been on the fence on this one for a while, but now I land here after reading the AfD and seeing the arguments that this is a notable topic. Deleting these redirects would clear the way for an actual article on this topic (
Joseph Stalin was an atheist[citation needed].
does not count). -- Tavix (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC) - Delete - while it's plausible that a valid section on Stalin's religious views could be added to the target, or as part of the Political ideology section, there really isn't anything at the target that would satisfy a reader searching for this phrase. signed, Rosguill talk 20:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Apostolic Catholic Church
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Albury, Ontario
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Wikipedia:NDA
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2002 film
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2012 film
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Latin Portuguese
- Latin Portuguese → Brazilian Portuguese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target, nor are cognate terms mentioned at the linked ptWiki article. Searching both the internet and Google Scholar in both English and Portuguese, all results appear to be about documents written in a mix of Portuguese and Latin, rather than Brazilian Portuguese. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 19:09, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- (Updated) Retarget to Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography#Pre-modern_Portuguese_orthography where there is now coverage of this topic.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosguill (talk • contribs) 18:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate between Brazilian Portuguese and Uruguayan Portuguese. fgnievinski (talk) 05:44, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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Retargetto American Portuguese, linked from {{Portuguese dialects}}, but given that we usually mean US when we say American on enwiki, it might be better to rename that article South American Portuguese or Latin American Portuguese, especially since there are small Lusophone communities in the US that may have dialects of their own (Languages of the United States#Portuguese). --BDD (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)- Neither of these alternate suggestions acknowledge the main issue I have with the redirect, which is that I have yet to see any evidence that "Latin Portuguese" ever refers to "Latin American Portuguese" in existing literature. signed, Rosguill talk 19:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- But it's reasonably unambiguous. Looking over Latin (disambiguation), the ancient Latins obviously didn't speak any sort of Portuguese; Portuguese is a Latin language in the sense of Romance languages, and uses the Latin alphabet/script, but none of those are likely to lead to such a search term. It's very hard for me to imagine a reader using this and not thinking of it as "Latin American Portuguese".
- Compare also to Latin Spanish, which redirects to Spanish language in the Americas. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Academic literature uses "Latin Portuguese" as a term of art to refer to an orthographic standard used in Medieval Portugal prior to the development of a strictly Portuguese written language: ([30], [31], [32]). Based on these references I'd hazard that it's likely independently notable and should not be confused with modern dialects. N.b. I don't see an equivalent use of "Latin Spanish", so I don't have as much of an issue with that redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 18:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Could we incorporate that into Portuguese orthography? If so, we could disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- I had an easier time adding it to Reforms of Portuguese orthography#Pre-modern Portuguese orthography, as Portuguese orthography does not address the history of the standards at all. I think this should be the new target. signed, Rosguill talk 18:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Could we incorporate that into Portuguese orthography? If so, we could disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- Academic literature uses "Latin Portuguese" as a term of art to refer to an orthographic standard used in Medieval Portugal prior to the development of a strictly Portuguese written language: ([30], [31], [32]). Based on these references I'd hazard that it's likely independently notable and should not be confused with modern dialects. N.b. I don't see an equivalent use of "Latin Spanish", so I don't have as much of an issue with that redirect. signed, Rosguill talk 18:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Compare also to Latin Spanish, which redirects to Spanish language in the Americas. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portuguese language. A confused picture evidently, but this seems the best choice. Johnbod (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
- Just because Portuguese stems from Latin? That really doesn't seem helpful. Would we ever consider Germanic English? --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
- No, duh, because the meaning most likely to be sought is for a variety of the P language. Do try to keep up. Johnbod (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Which variety do you mean - as spoken in Latin America, or the orthographic standard in medieval Portugal? -- BDD (talk) 14:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: Your statement is not as obvious as you make it out to be. It is much more helpful to explain why you are taking a given position rather than having other editors guess. Your follow ups of
duh
andDo try to keep up
are the opposite of helpful—rather we are simply trying to understand your unclear position. Indeed, your clarification is still a bit muddy. If you feel the most likely meaning is a "variety of the [Portuguese] language", wouldn't Portuguese dialects be more helpful than the standard language? -- Tavix (talk) 16:53, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- No, duh, because the meaning most likely to be sought is for a variety of the P language. Do try to keep up. Johnbod (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Just because Portuguese stems from Latin? That really doesn't seem helpful. Would we ever consider Germanic English? --BDD (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:27, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- Retarget to Portuguese dialects. It's significantly more likely that someone using this search term is looking for a variety of Portuguese than anything else, but it's not clear which one. The main article about dialects has clear and prominent links to all the one we have articles about, and is also the place to learn about the differences between the dialects (which it is far from implausible that someone using this term is wanting to read). If we have any content about the academic usage then this can be linked in a hatnote as it doesn't seem to be the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 08:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment there is no such thing as "Latin Portuguese", there was a transition part, but that happened with every laguage. Nobody speaks Latin Portuguese or even close to it. Its either Brazilian Portuguese or Portuguese. Now, Portuguese stems from Latin, but first came Portuguese and only then Brazilian Portuguese. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- New nom proposal: retarget to Reforms_of_Portuguese_orthography#Pre-modern_Portuguese_orthography where I was able to add content about the Latin-Portuguese writing standard with citations to reliable sources. signed, Rosguill talk 18:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The nomination changed from delete to a newly suggested target on April 17. I would suggest one week for the current participants to re-evaluate their votes.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay (talk) 13:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Too many possible options presented by the participants thus far, the newly-proposed retargeting option is a misleading WP:PTM at best due to so many other possible options, and disambiguation would muddy the waters and potentially cause confusion. Let the search results help our readers. Steel1943 (talk) 00:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. I have drafted one below the redirect for your consideration. -- Tavix (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
The Iquisitorial Squad
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R1 space
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The Inquisitor's Squad
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HPOOP
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The DA
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El Assico
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Social unit
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Godfather of Lo-fi
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Giovanni Bonati (gymnast)
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Arthur Harley
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Prodd
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More redirects with no space before disambiguator ... again
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Slow Blind Driveway
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Virtual threads
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Ebony.(Serial).
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Fiver(WatershipDown)
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情感核
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Green state
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