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Articles for deletion
- 28 Apr 2022 – Timeline of Hurricane Katrina (talk · · hist) was AfDed by Cyclonebiskit (t · c); see discussion (9 participants; relisted)
Featured article candidates
- 25 Apr 2022 – Hurricane Ophelia (2005) (talk · · hist) was FA nominated by Cyclonebiskit (t · c); see discussion
A-Class review
- undated – Hurricane Gordon (talk · · hist) was put up for A-Class review
- undated – Tropical Storm Hernan (2020) (talk · · hist) was put up for A-Class review
- undated – Typhoon Mireille (talk · · hist) was put up for A-Class review
Good article nominees
- 23 Mar 2022 – Typhoon Francisco (2019) (talk · · hist) was GA nominated by Cyclonebiskit (t · c); start
- 27 Jan 2022 – Typhoon Yancy (1990) (talk · · hist) was GA nominated by TropicalAnalystwx13 (t · c); start
- 10 Jan 2022 – 1984 Pacific hurricane season (talk · · hist) was GA nominated by TropicalAnalystwx13 (t · c); start
- 07 Jan 2022 – 1978 Pacific hurricane season (talk · · hist) was GA nominated by TropicalAnalystwx13 (t · c); start
Articles to be merged
- 29 Sep 2021 – Cyclone Nigel (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Cyclones Eric and Nigel by Jason Rees (t · c); see discussion
- 29 Sep 2021 – Cyclone Eric (talk · · hist) is proposed for merging to Cyclones Eric and Nigel by Jason Rees (t · c); see discussion
Articles for creation
- 05 May 2022 – Draft:Tropical Depression Ten (1994) (talk · · hist) has been submitted for AfC by 168.8.230.51 (t · c)
- 13 Apr 2022 – Draft:Subtropical Depression Issa (talk · · hist) has been submitted for AfC by Mobius Gerig (t · c)
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Project notes
I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
2018 Global FT
Bumping thread for 730 days. However long it takes... NoahTalk 16:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- WPAC work will take longer than it could have, so maybe bumping this until 16:07 UTC 25 May 2023. Feel free to revert. MarioJump83! 02:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
What's in the topic?
Tropical cyclones in 2018 (future featured topic)
| discuss 92 articles Tropical cyclones in 2018
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- @Hurricanehink: this spreadsheet is here if you need it. NoahTalk 20:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
@Hurricanehink: I thought that I would bring this rather large topic to the eyes of the project... I have worked extensively on the EPAC portion and almost have enough for an FT there. I plan to Leslie with Cooper and Gordon this summer. Any thoughts on this topic? NoahTalk 02:41, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- I believe a global FT would only feature the seasons, as each individual season could be its own good/featured topic. As usual, WPAC is going to be the biggest holdup. Also, the retired storms will be on the difficult side. I appreciate the efforts for a global GT/FT for a year. Eventually I think that navbox could go on the talk page for Talk:Tropical cyclones in 2018. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:38, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: This is displaying all storms involved in the subtopics... there are 60 total articles, but this has multiple subtopics. That is why there is indentation for storms and then for Florence's Met. Although that could be an issue for the SHEM seasons since some storms would not qualify as part of this year, but would for other years. NoahTalk 13:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- You're right. For instance, the 2018-19 SWIO season would need to be a GA, but (thankfully) not Idai and Kenneth. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: How should we handle this? NoahTalk 21:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean handle. All storms with articles in 2018 will have to be a GA or better. It'll be a lot of work, but it'll be impressive when it's done when it gets there. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: I mean how would the SHEM be handled since the entire season subtopic wouldnt get included? Should we just have the topic as it currently stands to keep it consistent? NoahTalk 17:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricane Noah: All of the topics for the SHEM seasons wouldn't have to be included. For instance, Idai being a 2019 storm wouldn't have to be a GA for the overall 2018 topic. Similarly, the 2018-19 season wouldn't have to become a GT for the whole topic, but it would have to be a GA at least. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: I mean how would the SHEM be handled since the entire season subtopic wouldnt get included? Should we just have the topic as it currently stands to keep it consistent? NoahTalk 17:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean handle. All storms with articles in 2018 will have to be a GA or better. It'll be a lot of work, but it'll be impressive when it's done when it gets there. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: How should we handle this? NoahTalk 21:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- You're right. For instance, the 2018-19 SWIO season would need to be a GA, but (thankfully) not Idai and Kenneth. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: This is displaying all storms involved in the subtopics... there are 60 total articles, but this has multiple subtopics. That is why there is indentation for storms and then for Florence's Met. Although that could be an issue for the SHEM seasons since some storms would not qualify as part of this year, but would for other years. NoahTalk 13:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
@Hurricanehink: Have you seen the progress that KN has been making in WPAC? NoahTalk 16:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- I have! Good job KN, and good job to TY2013 for working on Usman. I might get Sagar and Mekunu to FA eventually (would just need one more FA to make that season an FT) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
- No worries! Personally think that there should be an article for Tropical Depression Josie. Like even so, it seems to be more significant than Cimaron. Typhoon2013 (talk) 02:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- @ChocolateTrain: Would you be willing to help get the southern hemisphere up to a good quality for this topic? NoahTalk 01:33, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Accompanying task force hasn't been linked on this page, so here it is. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 06:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
2018 Pacific hurricane season (Featured topic)
| discuss 14 articles 2018 Pacific hurricane season
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Any thoughts on having a 2018 Pacific hurricane season featured topic within the next few months? My goal is to rewrite Walaka on Monday/Tuesday (and put it up for ACR) to make it better. I want to later rewrite Olivia and Bud to improve them both (also ACR). CooperScience is working on the timeline article currently as well. NoahTalk 19:00, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- Good idea. I'm busy with Cyclone Owen now, but I'm nearly done. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:12, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Chicdat: The first article is the hardest to do usually. There is no time restraint on the work. Keep in mind I have been working on this topic on and off for two years now. NoahTalk 19:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink and Chicdat: I can tell you that the topic isn't going to be happening until 2021. I actually would like to hold off on nominating it (even after the timeline is done) until I have gotten the chance to rewrite the storm articles I need to (Bud and Olivia at this point) and get them to FA. I think it would be cool to have an entirely featured featured topic going into the nomination. I really appreciate the effort everyone has put into the topic. I hope to do this prolific season due justice. Bud will be next storm I rewrite (after Leslie in ATL). I will do Olivia in December most likely. NoahTalk 23:34, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think the entire worldwide topic should be done by 2023 (the 5 year anniversary), which will allow for a lot of TFA's. ~Hurricanehink (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: A GT should be doable, but idk about a FT by that time. After Hector, we would need 31 more (32 if we need a couple more WPAC articles). I will continue doing EPAC FAs and move to ATL next year, but it will take more than what I am able to do to get us all the way there in only two years. NoahTalk 19:31, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- You're right, 11 per year is a lot. It's doable, for sure, but is probably too steep a hill. I'm already committed to Mekunu, Sagar, 2018 NIO, and Alberto. I'm interested in Yutu for the PTS. But that's only 5, and my editing time isn't what it used to be (peak 2007-08 during college, should've studied/partied more, oh well ._.) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink: A GT should be doable, but idk about a FT by that time. After Hector, we would need 31 more (32 if we need a couple more WPAC articles). I will continue doing EPAC FAs and move to ATL next year, but it will take more than what I am able to do to get us all the way there in only two years. NoahTalk 19:31, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think the entire worldwide topic should be done by 2023 (the 5 year anniversary), which will allow for a lot of TFA's. ~Hurricanehink (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Hurricanehink and Chicdat: I can tell you that the topic isn't going to be happening until 2021. I actually would like to hold off on nominating it (even after the timeline is done) until I have gotten the chance to rewrite the storm articles I need to (Bud and Olivia at this point) and get them to FA. I think it would be cool to have an entirely featured featured topic going into the nomination. I really appreciate the effort everyone has put into the topic. I hope to do this prolific season due justice. Bud will be next storm I rewrite (after Leslie in ATL). I will do Olivia in December most likely. NoahTalk 23:34, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Chicdat: The first article is the hardest to do usually. There is no time restraint on the work. Keep in mind I have been working on this topic on and off for two years now. NoahTalk 19:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hurricanehink: Actually, I am going to get involved with finishing off this EPAC timeline article (I will finish August and do October). Nova has expressed interest in helping to finish it and KN may be willing to lend a hand. I do know that KN said he plans to do a bunch of PTS articles in December as he will be done with his months of exams. NoahTalk 21:49, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- The WPAC is gonna be a majority of the remaining work, especially with needing four new articles, and improving five start-class articles. Here's hoping the tropics get quiet soon so we don't have to keep up with the busy active season! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
- So the remaining nominations for the EPAC in the likely order of completion:
- Hurricane Bud (2018)
- Timeline of the 2018 Pacific hurricane season - CB has been hammering this one
- 2018 Pacific hurricane season
- Hurricane Olivia (2018) - I'm working on fixing up this storm rn
- 2018 Pacific hurricane season - I will update this article (Bud, Olivia, and ACE) after finishing Olivia
- How does this sound? NoahTalk 11:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Well. This is almost perfectly done, only Hurricane Bud (2018) and 2018 Pacific hurricane season aren't FAs yet. I think Hurricane Bud should be at least an A-class article. MarioJump83! 05:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- How does this sound? NoahTalk 11:52, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
2018 Atlantic hurricane season (future featured topic)
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- Adding this in as I plan to work on it during 2021. Just a heads up to everyone... Destroyeraa is working on Beryl and I am doing Leslie right now. I started on Gordon this past summer and plan to finish it in 2021. NoahTalk 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
2018 North Indian Ocean cyclone season (future featured topic)
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- @Hurricanehink: I added this topic here as I know you plan to work on it some during the next year as time permits. I believe you said only Titli needed to be created? NoahTalk 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
2017–18 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season (future featured topic)
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- @Hurricanehink: I'm thinking that a featured topic could be done here. I don't think it would be insanely difficult to get. NoahTalk 15:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- The tricky part would be the 4th FA. The timeline would be 2nd, and I suppose Fakir would be a good one to take eventually, so then perhaps the season article? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
2018 Pacific typhoon season (future good topic)
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- Added in the WPAC topic that KN has been working hard on. Prapiroon and Barijat may also be article worthy and should be checked out. NoahTalk 22:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Tropical Cyclone images
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Hello guys, I have a question, can we use these types of images if, say, the peak occurs outside of a polar-orbiting satellite (Terra-MODIS, Aqua-MODIS, NOAA-20, and Suomi-NPP) pass over? This is especially true for the evening due to the lack of polar-orbiting satellites that pass over storms at that time, or if Terra-MODIS doesn't pass over the storm directly in the morning due to black lines that occur due to Terra not directly flying over the storm. The data I'm using to create these images comes from EODIS Worldview I combine the Blue Marble background with satellite data from GOES 16 or 17, or Himawari 8 that EODIS Worldview provides. Cyclonetracker7586 (talk) 14:10, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- We can certainly include none polar orbiting satellite imagery, however, we don't need to do composite images. All the geostationary satellites you listed have the bands needed to create true-color images similar to MODIS and VIIRS imagery. Supportstorm (talk) 21:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Cyclonetracker: Make sure you listen to @Supportstorm:'s advice as he knows a lot more about tropical cyclone imagery and how to get it then the majority of us.Jason Rees (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)'
- Haha wrong person lol Cyclonetracker (talk) 19:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Cyclonetracker: Make sure you listen to @Supportstorm:'s advice as he knows a lot more about tropical cyclone imagery and how to get it then the majority of us.Jason Rees (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)'
Pacific typhoon category
RSMC JMA used very strong typhoon, violent typhoon but the template of infobox tropical cyclone season had no use of that categories thay use unofficial category super typhoon can I add the whole category of RSMC JMA Jupiter50 (talk) 19:54, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
The problem is that those categories are not used in the Typhoon Committees scale which is the one we have used for years as it is the official one. We also have to bear in mind that the Super Typhoon Category is widely used and more recognisable than Violent Typhoon. It is also technically official since PAGASA, HKO, CMA, Taiwans CWB and there is no single authoritative voice unlike the other basins. Jason Rees (talk) 20:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with using the categories in small storm infoboxes, but we also do not give the total number of, e.g. Category 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 hurricanes on the SSHWS, and the same goes for the Australian scale. Furthermore, since the JMA does not explicitly include these categories in their best tracks, it is better to treat the JMA typhoon subcategories analogously. The JMA categories are also going to be inapplicable during the period when the JMA did not put wind data in its database.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Note that Jupiter50 has canvassed both me and HurricaneEdgar to try to push this discussion their way. 🐔dat (talk) 11:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Template:Deadliest typhoons and Template:Deadliest Philippine typhoons
So one of my recent projects has been getting the death toll for historical events better cited. Per a few discussions, including one on the talk page, I removed 20,000 Philippine deaths from the 1881 Haiphong typhoon article, as I didn't believe the 20,000 was an accurate reflection of the sources. That brings me to the two templates I mentioned in the title of this section. Those templates currently have the 1881 storm, but they're missing, for instance, typhoons in 957 and 1245 that killed 10,000 each in China, or the 1931 typhoon which may have killed 300,000 people, which, if true, would tie the lower accepted number of deaths for the 1970 Bhola cyclone, and is greater than the higher total of Typhoon Nina (1975) that includes all deaths from floods and subsequent disease. Should these templates be throughout history? Or one for each century? The 20th century isn't perfect, but we have decent records going back to 1900. I didn't want to take any more bold action beyond removing those deaths, but I could use some assistance in how to proceed with these templates. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- I personally wonder about the sources that talk about 10 000 deaths in China for the systems in 957 and 1245 AD. Are they backed up to extremely reliable sources (Ie: A peer-reviewed journal as opposed to say GP or EMDAT)? We also have to ask if it really was a typhoon?Jason Rees (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The early China systems are referenced in the journal Holocene, written by professors. Yes, they would pass the reliability test. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Why are we still doing rankings in templates like this in the year 2022? YE Pacific Hurricane 18:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Because it's basic math that something is first, or second, or tied for tenth. My main question is: do we include the 1931 typhoon that killed 300,000 people? Regarding @Jason Rees:'s point, there are high-quality reliable sources for the 957 and 1245 storms causing 10,000 deaths, but not so much the case for the rest of them. So do we include all of the other storms with 10,000 deaths? To YE's point, maybe the template cover all typhoons with a death toll of at least 10,000? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:45, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- That'd definitely work - but as been pointed out off and on in the past by multiple people over the last decade or so, we technically do not have a source to say it was in Xth place, and I'd argue it's only WP:CALC if all of the death tolls came from a single source. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Because it's basic math that something is first, or second, or tied for tenth. My main question is: do we include the 1931 typhoon that killed 300,000 people? Regarding @Jason Rees:'s point, there are high-quality reliable sources for the 957 and 1245 storms causing 10,000 deaths, but not so much the case for the rest of them. So do we include all of the other storms with 10,000 deaths? To YE's point, maybe the template cover all typhoons with a death toll of at least 10,000? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:45, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Why are we still doing rankings in templates like this in the year 2022? YE Pacific Hurricane 18:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The early China systems are referenced in the journal Holocene, written by professors. Yes, they would pass the reliability test. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
1-min winds/SSHWS Classifications
I feel that the project needs to have a discussion over when we should put 1-minute wind speeds and SSHWS classifcations in the Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons. It currently seems that 1-min winds are being added into older SHEM articles based on the information presented as being from Neumann in IBTRACS. However, I strongly feel that this is wrong since these systems were never classified as tropical cyclones etc by the JTWC/NPMOC, while the warning centres in the region use their own classification schemes.Jason Rees (talk) 20:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.
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and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
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