==Initial comments==
Hi and welcome all to this project. I have outlined the ideas in the front page and will begin work on the Anatomical_position page with some editing and adding a few images. This page will be an anchor to most of the anatomical pages. If you have anything to say, please do!
PhatRita 22:20, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
The goals of the project (written in bold) should sound more positively, if you understand what I wish to say ;) --'''''Eleassar''''' 20px my talk 14:29, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
:thanks for your advice and welcome to this project. I'm just trying to lay the foundation work right now. Feel free to put up more suggestions, I could do with the help :) PhatRita 21:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
Hi all - I just joined WP and found this project today. I'm a recent college grad, biochemistry major, and pre-med. I'm really excited to be able to help out with the basic biological sciences this project covers. I just wonder if we might be missing out on some potentially interested contributors by putting so many subjects under the umbrella of "Pre-clinical" medicine. When I first saw this project, I thought "pre-clinical" meant something more public health-related, rather than hard science. I'd love to collaborate on different projects, so feel free to contact me if you have a project you need help on. Mr.Bip 21:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
:hi there, welcome to wikipedia. Yes unfortunately I made the name. I'm studying in a British university and we don't have pre med - just preclinical (basic medical sciences) and clinical attachments in hospitals (we go into a 5/6 yr medicine course striaght after high scool at 18). I knew about the US system but didn't see how significant that would have been. I suppose in retrospect this may have been a bad name. We can always change it in future, like WikiDoc did to Clinical medicine.
:But I'm glad you've came just now as the entire medical administration side of things is a complete mess. You are more than free to contribute and to raise discussions however you can. If you have any questions or help mail me here - PhatRita 23:24, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
== Categories for anatomy ==
From the main page:
''Lots of random categories. The only subcategory of upper limb anatomy is...fingers. Articles are usually placed in just the anatomy category, and not more specific ones such as upper limb etc. I suggest that each article belongs in the anatomy category, then the regional anatomy category, and then the specific category, so for example, the thenar muscles in the hand, for example will belong in Category:anatomy, category: upper limb anatomy and then category:hand.''I suggest that individual articles on anatomy be categorized into two categories each - one for the specific region and another for the relevant organ system. For example, the thenar muscles in the hand would come under category:Hand and category:Muscular system or something like that. We do not need the thenar muscles to be in *all* the following categories of category:anatomy,upper limb, hand, muscular system. As Category:Hand is already a subcategory of Category:Upper_limb_anatomy which is a subcategory of Category:Anatomy, it's unnecessary for thenar muscles to be listed individually in category:Anatomy. It just leads to a ridiculous number of articles in the parent category making it less useful. In fact, I encourage you to go through Category:Anatomy and recategorize articles there to more relevant subcategories. Alex.tan 19:45, July 29, 2005 (UTC) :good point. However, a lot of the articles follow a similar pattern, and even more don't and follow some other pattern. I would be happy to go along with your idea. What does everyone think? PhatRita 23:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC) :btw, in something like category: Head and neck, amongst others, there are several sub categories of subcategories. For example, Cent. Nerv. System is a subcat of head and neck, and cerebellum is a sub cat of CNS. What would people think of a limit for categories? PhatRita 11:51, 1 August 2005 (UTC) ==-ology articles== A newcomer's observations on the state of pre-clinical articles: it seems to me that the biggest problem to deal with first is the lack of consistency between the quality/depth of articles describing basic disciplines, like Histology, Embryology (only one line!), Microbiology, Immunology, Developmental_biology, etc etc. The list goes on. These are big topics, each one of them (though something like Embryology probably doesn't need as much depth as Developmental biology). Once those are more consistently organized, one can branch out to related articles under those disciplines. A lot of work has already been done on articles on more specific topics. I think it would be great to join all of that work together under the umbrella of a well organized -ology article. This is along the same line of thought that Alex.tan has started. Organization of links could help the sciences a lot. Thoughts? Mr.Bip 07:35, 30 July 2005 (UTC) :It is true that these key starting points are being ignored. Embryology was nominated as a normal coll. of the week, which I put down my name for, and later abandoned. However, there is a lack of medical knowledge out there which makes our job just that much more difficult - just look at the Head, a COTW which was abandoned as the editors suddenly realised they knew no anatomy at all. The only entry in muscles was "the tongue is the strongest muscle in the head." So if you want to engage in such pages first, which is not a bad idea, I'm happy to help you, but you must bear in mind that there will be little help from others and may be forced to write a significant chunk of it yourself. :you have a very valid point, so I'll put on an ology articles on the primary page. PhatRita 11:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC) Two other finds: I added Cell_biology to the main page. The page is basically a stub at the moment. Also, most of the cell organelles have decent articles, except for, surprisingly, the Nucleus. The basic article is fine, but it needs to be re-formatted and fleshed out. I mean, the nucleus does everything! Well, almost. I'm going to start taking on several of these projects on my own. If anyone is interested in helping with any specific topic, let me know. Mr.Bip 06:05, 31 July 2005 (UTC) ==Anatomy cat== Category:Anatomy has more than 150 articles in the main category. Many of these should be taken out and put in subcategories. But I don't know much about the subject. Is anyone interested in helping with this? Maurreen (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC) :yes! I've been trying to change that stuff for ages, but there are just so many of them. If you check the front the project page at the organisation section, you will see we are trying to make a checklist. The anatomy category should follow this organisation. Hope this helps... PhatRita 18:36, 31 July 2005 (UTC) :btw, Maurreen, some quick advice on classification if you don't know anything about anatomy. Preclinical teaching revolves around 6 areas of anatomy - :*Head and Neck, self explanatory :*Back (the back muscles and the spine and all the problems associated with it) :*Abdomen and Pelvis self explanatory ::*Perineum - a special area just below the pelvis, an area the gynecologists specialise in :*Upper_limb - all of the arm, forearm, hand, shoulder and the scapular region :*Lower_limb - everthing below the Inguinal_ligament - ie thigh, leg, foot, hip etc :*Thorax - chest, heart, lungs etc These main categories can be used for every anatomy article. PhatRita 11:37, 1 August 2005 (UTC) There is also a lot of room for consolidation and redirects. Bowman's_capsule and Bowman's_membrane don't need seperate articles. Kerowyn 07:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC) ==IRC, collaboration== Does anyone here ever hang out in IRC, in #wikipedia or elsewhere? I'd love to bounce some ideas off of people in real time. Maybe we could decide on something to tackle together. I'm having a hard time choosing exactly what to work on atm. Mr.Bip :Don't really use IRC - too time consuming, esp at med school. I don't know if anyone else uses IRC around here. How about you starting an "ideas factory" section or similar on the main page? PhatRita 14:12, 7 August 2005 (UTC) ==Improvement Drive== The article H5N1 has been listed to be improved on Wikipedia:This_week's_improvement_drive. You can add your vote there if you would like to support the article.--Fenice 06:42, 4 August 2005 (UTC)Fenice 06:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC) :Thank you for the heads up Fenice, and kudos on all the hardwork you seem to do for WP:IDRIVE. H5N1 is of course critically important these days. I'll have a look at the article and vote if necessary. →Encephalon | ζ | ∑ 14:27:51, 2005-08-07 (UTC) == lull of material == hey all, I'm sorry I have not been updating stuff on the preclinical page. I have been away for the better part of the end of summer and now I have just got back to university. I will aim to get back into adding new stuff but am currently being plunged into the deep end with non stop pharm, micro and path lectures and practicals. Please would someone have a look at the Head article and maybe help complete it with me - I have started the anatomy section but it is possible to go very deep into the subject. Also please feel free to carry on adding to the project, eg submit something for peer reviewing etc. PhatRita 10:27, 29 September 2005 (UTC) == circulatory physiology == The topic of "what makes blood enter the right atrium" came up at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Heart, and I think points out a deficiency in our articles on Heart. Blood_circulation, and atrium. Perhaps someone with a better understanding and more recent exposure to physiology would like to have a go at expanding those articles? - Nunh-huh 19:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC) == Article for deletion == There's a AfD posted for George_Yi. The article looks like a hoax. Someone here may wish to comment on it. See Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/George_Yi -- Ian ≡ talk 00:26, 10 November 2005 (UTC) == Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine == As discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Medicine_Collaboration_of_the_Week#Systematic_coverage_of_topics, it would be nice to have a place we can identify articles that need work, even though they may not be selected for the Collaboration. As I think I mentioned before at the Doctors' Mess, I have begun work to try to organize this at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine. I don't know the best place for this, but since I'd like it to include both clinical and pre-clinical topics, it didn't make sense to place it at either one, nor does it really fit at WP:MCOTW either. The design and inspiration come from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anti-war#List_of_pages_covered_by_the_projectand Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chemicals/Organization. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Clinical_medicine/top_priority and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Clinical_medicine/categorizations will be useful in providing inspiration. I welcome any comments, suggestions, or assistance at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine. — Knowledge Seeker দ 04:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)