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Paris–Roubaix article quality
Paris–Roubaix was listed as a good article in 2009, but the article looks to be way short of the current GA standards. I've left some comments on Talk:Paris–Roubaix, and wondered if anyone would be interested in trying to improve it? If not, it's liable to be nominated for a GA reassessment, and I expect it will be delisted as a GA. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Paris–Roubaix has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Paris–Roubaix/1. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
Men's UCI Continental Road Tours: Do they actually exist anymore?
Over the last two seasons, editors have dutifully created articles such as 2022 UCI Europe Tour and 2022 UCI Asia Tour etc etc. But we don't actually have any evidence that these tours, in any meaningful way, still exist. The UCI's calendar makes no mention of them. The websites associated with each tour no longer work. The names only exist now as far as I can see it:
- on Wikipedia
- on the UCI ranking pages. These though are now simply rankings of riders by continent eg the African ranking is headed by Biniam Girmay, but all of his points are from races in Europe, the Oceania Tour is headed by Richie Porte, but all of his races are from Europe and Japan, etc. This ranking is not what the UCI Continental Tour pages on Wikipedia are about. Even the continental team rankings are based on points from global races: so Human Powered Health are second on the Americas Tour, with their top points scorer Pier-Andre Cote getting his points from the Grand Prix Criquielion and Bredene Koksijde Classic. Again, this use of the tour names on the UCI website does not reflect their use here.
- as Instagram accounts, but these seem to just share vaguely-relevant cycling related news. For example, the UCI Europe Tours' most recent posts are to share images of Biniam Girmay winning Gent-Wevelgem, and the TdF promoting that it is 100 days till its start: neither of these would be UCI Europe Tour events, if it still existed.
If you look at third parties - newspaper/websites - they do still refer to the tours when describing races, but I wonder the extent to which that is habit, partially fuelled by their continued presence on Wikipedia. I can't find any articles which explicitly refer to the tours and their status any later than 2019 - the only mentions since then are along the lines of "Race X, a 2.1 Race on the UCI Europe Tour", but that is not evidence of the continued tours, more habit (or article-writers copying directly from Wikipedia).
The only conclusion I can reach is that these Tours no longer exist, and that therefore we should look to delete the 2021 and 2022 articles. The status of 2019 and 2020 is debatable too, but for now I am minded to cut the amount of extra work for us to do, and there is at least one source which talks about the Tours at some length (https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/alpecin-fenix-all-but-seal-tour-de-france-invite-after-topping-latest-europe-tour-rankings/)! There is also, for 2020, there is evidence of some race websites which refer to themselves as races from the 2020 Europe Tour (etc). I don't know if the UCI has deliberately dropped the tours, or if they essentially fell into abayence during the pandemic. It is possible that the Tours will be more formally resurrected in future, in which case great, but I don't think they can have been meaningfully said to exist over the last two seasons.
I would propose creating an annual page to cover all UCI Continental Races, called 2021 UCI Continental Races or 2022 UCI Continental Tours (perhaps at 'Races' with 'Tours' as redirect?) (etc), that would merge the results and schedules from the 2021/2022 tours into a single page - this also would limit the extra editing needed. However for now I don't think it is possible to say that these tours verifiably exist beyond Wikipedia's imagination. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep – TLDR: The UCI Continental Circuits are still very much in existence. There's a lot to unpack here:
The current UCI structure, which saw the introduction of the second-tier UCI ProSeries in 2020, relegated the Continental Circuits down to the third tier of events. Races that were promoted to the UCI ProSeries were mostly former .HC races (and some .1 races) in their respective Continental Circuits, but the other races remained as constituents of their respective Continental Circuits.
If you wanted an explicit indication of their existence (or for lack of a better word, a smoking gun), UCI Regulation 2.1.002 (as updated on 1 January 2022) definitely outlines their status and what constitutes each race series.
Admittedly, the revamp of the UCI website last year also didn't exactly promote information about the Continental Circuits in a clear and obvious manner. There's this outdated info page on the UCI website, but if you wanted to find out which races were in which series, you would have to search for it yourself by selecting certain filters, like I showed here for 2022 UCI Europe Tour races.
Elsewhere, there are many mentions of the existence of the Continental Circuits, though not often in places where the average/casual reader might (care enough to) look:- Discussing a team's 2022 plans:
Project Echelon also plans to return to Europe for a select block of racing on the UCI Europe Tour in 2022
- From USA Cycling on clothing regulations: Latest guidelines for UCI Continental (third-tier) Teams on having the logo of their respective race series as part of the jersey design, which can be seen in practice here on the Go Sport–Roubaix–Lille Métropole and here on the L39ION of Los Angeles jerseys
- To refute the argument of describing races out of habit, many official race books and regulations also clearly indicate to which race series they belong, as can be seen in the 2022 Settimana Internazionale di Coppi e Bartali racebook (page 3) or the 2022 Tour des Alpes-Maritimes et du Var racebook (page 28). Or in the race regulations (page 2) of the 2022 O Gran Camiño, a race that only began this year (and whose existence on Wikipedia wasn't a thing until the morning of the first stage).
- Discussing a team's 2022 plans:
- Information about a race, including
Race X, a 2.1 Race on the UCI Europe Tour
, is usually grabbed from these documents (when publicly available), so perhaps the real issue is just the need for much more explicit attribution to point readers to such documents and texts, if only for due diligence instead of for additional literature that will actually be clicked on.I don't really blame you for not knowing more, especially since every year, WP:CYCLING sees an uptick in editors who only contribute for the Tour de France and then f--- off (to express my slight annoyance and frustration) for the rest of the year, so there aren't enough editors who have enough time and dedication to maintain a high standard of upkeep across the entire scope of the WikiProject.
Comment – Regarding your proposal to
[create] an annual page to cover all UCI Continental Races
, it might be something worth exploring after having a formal discussion about it. However, it should be mentioned that the UCI Europe Tour will always dwarf the rest of its sister series (which are basically stubs) given its sheer size and number of events (pandemic effects on cancelled events notwithstanding), but I can see how certain elements from articles like the 2021–22 FIS Cross-Country World Cup and the 2021–22 Isthmian League can be used to execute a seamless merge. Even then, creating a new cover-all article will require a lot of maintenance to fix redirects and wikilinks. And as for[limiting] the extra editing
, the best current remedy for that would be to figure out how to hammer home the need to cite sources when adding content, even after multiple warnings and notices.Hope that helps clarify a few things. Especially outside of Europe, the UCI has never been too good at promoting their Continental Circuits, which is also why dedicated articles don't exist for many of those individual events for notability reasons. Benjamin112 ☎ 00:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Benjamin112: - that's assuaged my main concern, which was basically that none of the articles offered any verifiable evidence that these tours exist, I couldn't find anything on the UCI website pointing me to them. I can see why it was difficult to find that evidence! Re: a 'master page', the other article which I had in mind was something like the 2022 ATP Challenger Tour article, which also has a good model of how to mass-list the results for lots of events. I would not necessarily advocate for such a move though, as long as the continental circuits genuinely persist, even if the UCI buries them. Thanks for your comprehensive and excellent work here. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 09:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 April 7#Template:Sports_links
Heyo all just to let you know there is currently a discussion going on at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2022_April_7#Template:Sports_links regarding the use of the sports links template Paulpat99 (talk) 01:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Team Qhubeka NextHash and Team Qhubeka
Heyo there seems to be a few individuals who want to combine Team Qhubeka and Team Qhubeka NextHash pages however these two teams although linked are separate entities. I am correct in saying that these two articles should not be merged as one is the conti and other the ex world tour. Any help in making sure the merge doesnt happen or any comments are greatly appreciated. Paulpat99 (talk) 04:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hey @Paulpat99:! I mean...just simply reading the content of both articles should have been enough for one to discern that the two are separate, albeit related, entities. But just to be safe, I added a note to the top of both pages in a similar vein to those found on the Euskaltel–Euskadi and Carlos Sainz Jr. articles. Hopefully this does the trick. Benjamin112 ☎ 21:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)