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Mary Wollstonecraft Award 2021
Mary Wollstonecraft Award 2021 | ||
On behalf of WP:WPWW, with appreciation for the women writer biographies you created during first quarter 2021. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC) |
Question about article
Hi User:Scope creep! I hope you had a great holiday season! I wanted to follow up to see if you were able to make any leads on the Vladimir Torchilin article or were able to find any sources on him? If we can get some solid sources, i would love to start reading and extracting information on him to get the article in better shape! --RealPharmer3 (talk) 21:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry @RealPharmer3:, I completely forgot about it, didn't I, what with the holidays and other articles I am working on. Now its been posted again I'll have a go. It's funny, when I archived this talk page this morning, I was looking at it, and thought there was something I missed before Christmas but couldn't figure it out. Funny thing that. We will start it tommorrow, and have a go working through to the weekend, see what can be done. It's a relatively small article and shouldn't take too long. scope_creepTalk 22:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- No worries @Scope creep: ! Hope you had fun over the holidays! haha.. I think that sounds like a good plan! I'll look for some sources in the mean time as well. If you get word on any information/sources, feel free to keep me in the loop! Also, if there are any specific things I can do to help, please let me know! I'd love to learn some things from an experienced editor like yourself! --RealPharmer3 (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- Sorry @RealPharmer3:, I completely forgot about it, didn't I, what with the holidays and other articles I am working on. Now its been posted again I'll have a go. It's funny, when I archived this talk page this morning, I was looking at it, and thought there was something I missed before Christmas but couldn't figure it out. Funny thing that. We will start it tommorrow, and have a go working through to the weekend, see what can be done. It's a relatively small article and shouldn't take too long. scope_creepTalk 22:00, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
Kleiner König Kalle Wirsch
Hello Scope creep,
it's a long time You inserted the unreferenced tag to the lemma. Why? There are no links to (nearly) anything, as the series is an old series of German Television. At that time, there was no internet with links. But there are several ISBN numbers which can be verified. So: Whats the problem with the sources?
Asks Harald wehner (talk) 02:39, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Harald wehner: They're is no sources on the article. That message has been on for more than a year and not been updated, so it will be redirected. scope_creepTalk 09:18, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
- What would be "acceptable sources"? And the long time: I am no regular contributor to English Wiki. So i am very seldom locked on. Harald wehner (talk) 09:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Harald wehner: A couple of references would do it. Any book reviews of the book would do it. An interview with author discussing the books would be ideal. This is an example : [1]. That would make a reference. I've added it in. scope_creepTalk 11:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Harald wehner: Reviews of the book are most valuable as sources, but these types of refs as replacements. There is more there. It really really an article on Tilde Michels as well. She wrote a lot of books of that type. scope_creepTalk 11:17, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello. Any chance you could drop me an email to smartsewikigmail.com? It's about an editor you suspected of UPE and where from a quick glance I am also suspicious, but it would be good to compare notes. SmartSE (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- You'll notice from the ping that I was referring to ScepticalChymist and that after more digging my suspicions were well-founded. They seem to be highly professional though, so I don't want to disclose publicly what was suspicious. SmartSE (talk) 11:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Smartse:, I will send you an email now. It was a while ago though. scope_creepTalk 18:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Smartse: I sent that email as request. Hope it helps. scope_creepTalk 19:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
in friendship
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Thank you for being around, and your good wishes! - Happy new year, in friendship! - One of my pics was on the Main page (DYK) and even made the stats. - In this young year, I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Gerda Arendt: Happy New Year!! I was out a walk today through this forest on a hill, in a country park, in in the west of Scotland and it was exactly like the image. The sky was so clear and such a beautiful day. scope_creepTalk 18:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- thank you, that sounds lovely - much warmer where I'm now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
- I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt:. Living Billers's life is unimaginable. Good articles. scope_creepTalk 00:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Gerda Arendt: Happy New Year!! I was out a walk today through this forest on a hill, in a country park, in in the west of Scotland and it was exactly like the image. The sky was so clear and such a beautiful day. scope_creepTalk 18:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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- Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Biller stayed on the MP not even for a full day. It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I like my talk today (keeping Biller a bit longer, and even explaining how it works), and managed to picture two more vacation days --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: It is quite a visually strong talk page unlike few on Wikipedia. It's the flower image in the centre that I tend to look at mostly. Its the colour's, they are vibrant and profoundly beautiful. I listened to Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 last night. It's a bit early for my taste. I was brought up with classical music, but the music was melodic and different from what thought Bach was. Douglas Hofstadter states that colour and music are linked somehow. I just noticed that fly animation on your deskop:) I see the link. scope_creepTalk 19:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Much of the beauty comes from friends, like the flowers from El C I kept from 2021. The fly (Die Fliege) was given to me/all by nagualdesign, given first to a friend we both miss, then expanded, - feel free to add. I feel blessed by all these gifts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- my joy - more on my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Gerda Arendt:. Afternoon. You made the main page again. That was lucky! Is it an algorithm that selects it, or did you ask the mainpage controller. That is another beautifully written article. I'll listen to it, tonight. scope_creepTalk 17:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- thank you! - this time, the delegate asked if I agreed with his selection, - for the next (25 March), I asked - Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- stand and sing Prayer for Ukraine --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Gerda Arendt:. Afternoon. You made the main page again. That was lucky! Is it an algorithm that selects it, or did you ask the mainpage controller. That is another beautifully written article. I'll listen to it, tonight. scope_creepTalk 17:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: It is quite a visually strong talk page unlike few on Wikipedia. It's the flower image in the centre that I tend to look at mostly. Its the colour's, they are vibrant and profoundly beautiful. I listened to Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125 last night. It's a bit early for my taste. I was brought up with classical music, but the music was melodic and different from what thought Bach was. Douglas Hofstadter states that colour and music are linked somehow. I just noticed that fly animation on your deskop:) I see the link. scope_creepTalk 19:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- I took the pic in 2009, and it was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Assam Lokayukta
Hi scope_creep. Hope you are keeping well. I wish you a Belated New Year Greetings. The article Assam Lokayukta moved by you to draft space couple of months back had been modified by me with additional references. Also similar articles for other states had been moved to main space considering its relevance to general public. Request you to review and suggest necessary improvements to move it to main space. Thanking you in advance. Gardenkur (talk) 11:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Gardenkur: I will take a look at it. scope_creepTalk 11:17, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi scope_creep. Hope you are keeping well. I take this opportunity to remind you to kindly approve the Assam Lokayukta for mainspace. The article is in the interest of public at large. Thanking you in advance. Gardenkur (talk) 11:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Anna Maximovitch
Would you please stop interfering with the improvements I am trying to make to this article and go read MOS:DECADE? The style WP uses for decades does not depend on any national style. The article contained decades both with and without the apostrophe, and I made it uniform. You also recklessly removed commas that I had added. If you want to be helpful, you could figure out why the article has her date of execution before her trial date, but stop screwing up the punctuation. The efn you messed with is not a quotation, so putting that in the edit summary is also not helpful. Chris the speller yack 22:54, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Chris the speller: It wasn't the decade I was bothered about. I value your work, but you changed the quote 1930s–1940's. to this 1930s–1940s.. That is not British English, putting the s after the numbers with no dash. It is a Americanism that has no place, in a British English article. I'm not particularly bothered about the rest, as it is already British English. scope_creepTalk 23:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
- The MoS says "Do not use the 1980's", and it doesn't differentiate between articles written in British English or American English. And the efn is not a quotation; it doesn't list a source, so it should follow WP's style. Chris the speller yack 01:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- It should differentiate between between British English and American English. scope_creepTalk 11:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Chris the speller: I'm going to try and get it changed in the MOS and looking for a reference for that efn tag. scope_creepTalk 12:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- It should differentiate between between British English and American English. scope_creepTalk 11:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- The MoS says "Do not use the 1980's", and it doesn't differentiate between articles written in British English or American English. And the efn is not a quotation; it doesn't list a source, so it should follow WP's style. Chris the speller yack 01:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Danna Azrieli
Dear Scope creep As per the article Draft:Danna Azrieli, I notiched that someone mark him as COI, as per myself, I don't have any Conflict of interestI don't know Danna Azrieli or get paid for editing in wikipedia. As per WP:BIO Please see for example any other Category:Israeli businesspeople such as Liora Ofer, Shari Arison, Idan Ofer and any other from List of Israelis by net worth. I edit and send the article for review, please advise if there anything else to do to improve the article. if you can review it, it could be helpful. thank you Yossilev (talk) 16:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Yossilev: I will take a look at it. scope_creepTalk 11:02, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Scope creep: did you have chance look the draft? Yossilev (talk) 11:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Yossilev: I had a look at the Draft:Danna Azrieli. It seems to be an NLP article. The name Azrieli is present in the article, 67 times, which is unacceptable. Even with roughtly a 10-20 Azrieli name used within the main article body, that leaves about 35-40. Far too much. It reads like an branded advertisement. The decline by User:CNMall41 is the correct choice in this situation. scope_creepTalk 01:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Re:Chen Qi (collector)
Hi Scope Creep! First of all I like your name. It brings me laughs! I thought you were only reverting the edition prior to mine.
About whether Mr. Qi is alive or not, I've read two admittedly unreliablish sources which state he died on the date on my source, which is one of the two unreliablish sources. Frankly, with a birth-date of 1912 I'd be surprised if he is still alive! My grand-pa was five years younger than him and he died in 2012. Good genes perhaps??
I'd responded last night but I was tired as hell.
All right, thanks for your message and God bless you! Antonio Creeptomaniac Martin (Dile al Creeptomaniac) 00:26, 17 January, 2022 (UTC)
- @AntonioMartin: Thanks. I got the name from a IT project I was on. Somebody mentioned, they were suffering from scope creep, it was 12 weeks behind due to the customer trying to add new stuff. I thought it would make a good handle. I never noticed how old he was. It would make him 110 now. Slim chance of being alive, I guess. scope_creepTalk 12:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Donnalyn Bartolome
Then how do you sure that it's her album? Isn't this BLP policy "Wikipedia's sourcing policy, Verifiability, says that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation; material not meeting this standard may be removed." You removed her filmography list, but you didn't remove the album list. Huh? –Ctrlwiki (talk) 02:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Ctrlwiki: How goes are? I don't think anybody is going to lie about her albums, particulalry when they're listed on streaming sites like Spotify and archiving sites like discogs. It's almost common knowledge, listed in numerous places, so they're is no point removing them here, when they are already listed on these sites. I understand why you wanted to delete it. The article was some mess. I hate they types of article, where folk edit it, but never reference it. She is quite popular as a singer, though. I have zero doubt that a UPE or paid editor will be in, in the next couple weeks/months to update the article. She isn't an actor, but she is definetly a singer. She was a bit-part actor. A singer, doing some acting, for publicity, but not an actor. It is common work scenario with these folk. scope_creepTalk 02:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Public Netbase, Konrad Becker
Hey Scope_creep! Some time ago you were super helpful getting the article about Johannes Grenzfurthner in shape. Two of my new pet articles are Public Netbase and Konrad Becker. They are definitely noteworthy, but their articles lie somewhat in shambles. Most of the references are from their own project pages etc. Maybe you would want to help? All the best. ☆☆☆ interstellarpoliceman ☆☆☆ 14:39, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Interstellarpoliceman: How are doing? The reason I worked on the Johannes Grenzfurthner article is because he is a cool artist type. I'm not sure of these articles and busy at the moment. I will have a look at the Netbase one for you. scope_creepTalk 01:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Doing great, thanks! Concerning Grenzfurthner: I agree :) Thanks for having a look at Netbase! ☆☆☆ interstellarpoliceman ☆☆☆ 14:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Interstellarpoliceman: How are doing? The reason I worked on the Johannes Grenzfurthner article is because he is a cool artist type. I'm not sure of these articles and busy at the moment. I will have a look at the Netbase one for you. scope_creepTalk 01:06, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Some article
Hi @Bluepencil13: What article is this? Also please read WP:TALK and WP:THREAD. Always create a new section at the bottom of the talk page. What is the point of you burying it and me trying to search for your comment in an archive. scope_creepTalk 01:42, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Noey Jacobson edit and reversion to draft
I'd like to contest your decision to revert Draft:Noey Jacobson to draft as well as your decision to remove key information from the article's lead. Firstly, The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles is a reliable source within the Jewish community that meets all the criteria outlined in WP:RS (as are many of the other sources cited in the article), and I'm confused as to why you seem to feel otherwise. Secondly, in regards to notability, it may be thin but I think it's there? As a musician he's collaborated with multiple notable artists and his solo work was covered by a notable publication, as an educator he's been affiliated with the notable schools Yeshiva University and Shalhevet High School and served as an assistant and speechwriter to YU president Richard Joel. It could be argued that coverage in school newspapers like Shalhevet's The Boiling Point and YU's The Commentator does not establish notability due to conflict of interest, but I'd still argue they're credible enough journalistic sources to provide reliable support for things like his early life or his academic activities. In general, I feel that the reversion of the article to draft was premature and unfair. --Invisiboy42293 (talk) 20:49, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Invisiboy42293: I removed x of y reference as they are non-notable. Started about 10 years ago by Forbes, they are seen as clickbait now, they are non-RS. The The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles is RS, but newspapers as just as prone to puting clickbait about as anybody else. So please don't add in back in. When I reviewed the article twice, I looked at it yesterday, I looked for three WP:SECONDARY references that discussed the individual. They aren't there. Although a musician, it is a WP:BLP, so there must be secondary sources to remain in mainspace. They're is lots that discuss the band as a whole, but barely anything on Jacobson on his own. The boiling point is a student newspaper and it's the only real secondary source there. The Commentator is about the band, not him. I think it is potentially notable, if you find more reference. If I thought it was beyond-saving, I would have sent it to Afd. scope_creepTalk 21:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Wisconsin–La Crosse
Wisconsin–La Crosse Eagles probably is, Wisconsin–La Crosse Eagles football should probably be merged back into the former? GiantSnowman 09:43, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman: Thanks. That seems reasonable. I really wasn't sure and it looked odd having two of the same article. scope_creepTalk 09:54, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Scope creep
Hello. I have tagged you for cleanup. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 11:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
- @AssumeGoodWraith: Thanks very much. scope_creepTalk 00:28, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
Revert
Hello Scope creep, wondering wy this revert? Thank you foryour time. Lotje (talk) 05:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Lotje: It is a Gestapo image, taken just before she was executed. Look at her face. She has two very prominent black eyes, as she is likely been punched. Almost every one of these Red Orchestra ("Rote Kapelle") folk were tortured, either the usual basic torture or the enhanced torture with dogs, for example. All of them were generally in prison for several months and lost significant bodyweight, often up to the third of their weight. You can see it in her face. They're is several of these public domain image. They are dreadful. scope_creepTalk 09:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I know, this is not an image where Anna Krauss looks at her best, but, still, this is no reason to remove if from the article. IMO, it is a kind of tribute to her. She (and other victims) should never be forgotten. Hence I will undo your revert. Promise, if one day, I come across an image of her when she was still happy and smiling, I will insert it. thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Don't put it back in. It is not a tribute. It is far from a tribute as its possible to get. I've explained to you what it is. Do you not understand what it is? It is a post-interrogation image. It is not suitable for Wikipedia nor the article. There is no other images of here, except what her family has. There is nothing available in German Federal Archives, so nothing will turn up. Don't put it back in. scope_creepTalk 13:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I promise you, that I will do everything within my power to find a suitable image. In the meantime, I would appreciate if you would leave the page unchanged. Thank you. Lotje (talk) 13:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Do not put in back in. There is two things that are going to happen. 1. They'll be an edit war to remove and you'll be up at admin. 2. I will get the article deleted. I'm not having any article I wrote, associated with a Gestapo image on Wikipedia. Leave it out. It is your pride and stubborness to move ahead when I have already explained what the problem is. Nothing else.scope_creepTalk 13:42, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Thanks for not doing that. scope_creepTalk 14:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I promise you, that I will do everything within my power to find a suitable image. In the meantime, I would appreciate if you would leave the page unchanged. Thank you. Lotje (talk) 13:37, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Don't put it back in. It is not a tribute. It is far from a tribute as its possible to get. I've explained to you what it is. Do you not understand what it is? It is a post-interrogation image. It is not suitable for Wikipedia nor the article. There is no other images of here, except what her family has. There is nothing available in German Federal Archives, so nothing will turn up. Don't put it back in. scope_creepTalk 13:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I know, this is not an image where Anna Krauss looks at her best, but, still, this is no reason to remove if from the article. IMO, it is a kind of tribute to her. She (and other victims) should never be forgotten. Hence I will undo your revert. Promise, if one day, I come across an image of her when she was still happy and smiling, I will insert it. thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Lotje: It is a Gestapo image, taken just before she was executed. Look at her face. She has two very prominent black eyes, as she is likely been punched. Almost every one of these Red Orchestra ("Rote Kapelle") folk were tortured, either the usual basic torture or the enhanced torture with dogs, for example. All of them were generally in prison for several months and lost significant bodyweight, often up to the third of their weight. You can see it in her face. They're is several of these public domain image. They are dreadful. scope_creepTalk 09:16, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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Anna Krauss
Hello Scope creep, just to update you on my request at Commons. Bundesarchiv-B6 replyed: Dear Lotje, the division FA5 (Bildarchiv = picture archive) of the Federal Archives unfortuntely doesn't keep photos of Annie Krauß / Anne Krauss, sorry, but you may contact the department BE of the Federal Archives in Berlin (berlin@bundesarchiv.de), whether photos are kept in files.At least, you know where to turn to now. Maybe this can be of help to you. Cheers. Lotje (talk) 17:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Are you up for contacting them? scope_creepTalk 17:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Scope creep, I guess, since you probably gave lot more information about Anna Krauss, you are the best person to contact them. They do speak English Lotje (talk) 11:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Morning @Lotje: That fine. I will contact them today. I will update you if I get anything back. scope_creepTalk 11:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: I've forwarded them an email, requesting an image. Lotje, thanks for getting for looking out that email address. That was nice of you. scope_creepTalk 12:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- You are very welcome. Actually all the credit goes to Commons:User talk:Bundesarchiv-B6 Lotje (talk) 12:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Scope creep, I guess, since you probably gave lot more information about Anna Krauss, you are the best person to contact them. They do speak English Lotje (talk) 11:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Lotje: Are you up for contacting them? scope_creepTalk 17:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
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To check your answer, click here. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Speedy deletion declined: Amazon shipping to Israel
Hello Scope creep. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Amazon shipping to Israel, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: I agree this article has problems - sourcing from PR websites and Amazon websites not the least of them - but in my opinion it does not reach the threshold for outright WP:G 11 deletion in its current form. Please do feel free to disagree. . Thank you. Shirt58 (talk) 09:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Shirt58: Thanks for getting back to me. I wasn't sure it was the correct csd. scope_creepTalk 10:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
- I owe you an apology - it would appear that I have made a mistake here. I incorrectly assumed that "Amazon shipping to Israel" was about the broader topic of e-commerce businesses - such as Amazon - and postal delivery of packages in Israel by those businesses. I failed to consider reference 11 in the article, which explicitly points to a business of the name Shipping to Israel. As far as I can see, this business entity would not pass WP:CORPDEPTH and possibly any number of other policies and guidelines for a mainspace article. Perhaps move "Amazon shipping to Israel" to "Shipping to Israel" and lets see what happens? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Shirt58: I never saw that either, Geez. Just read the article and the first block of reference. Yip, it is intentionally done to disguise it; it is brochure article. I plan to try and delete it via NCORP scope_creepTalk 11:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I owe you an apology - it would appear that I have made a mistake here. I incorrectly assumed that "Amazon shipping to Israel" was about the broader topic of e-commerce businesses - such as Amazon - and postal delivery of packages in Israel by those businesses. I failed to consider reference 11 in the article, which explicitly points to a business of the name Shipping to Israel. As far as I can see, this business entity would not pass WP:CORPDEPTH and possibly any number of other policies and guidelines for a mainspace article. Perhaps move "Amazon shipping to Israel" to "Shipping to Israel" and lets see what happens? Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Deletion of material from The Suede Crocodiles and the Kevin McDermott Wikipedia pages
Hi Scope Creep, I want to dispute your deletion of the following information, and your suggestion that I have engaged in “disrupting editing”. In fact, it is your edits have been disruptive.
Will you please add the information back in, and if you won’t, please explain why. CoffeeClouds (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @CoffeeClouds: You've been adding external links into the body of articles and I removed them as quick as I could. For some reason you think external links in the body of the article are cool, when they are not. They are illegal on Wikipedia. There is two places in an article where should be, per the WP:MOS. One is the external links section at the end of the article, 2. In a bibliography section, where the link is pointing to the article or monograph or book assuming its a fully populated citation. Lastly please don't leave a large comment like again. It is not appreciated by anybody. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 14:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- @CoffeeClouds: If you put the content back in, which was well referenced, please leave out the external links. scope_creepTalk 14:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
I made another dumb error
Scoop Creep, I just entered a new Wikipedia Page which should have been titled Nuclear protein in testis gene but, due to my old age, I mistakenly entitled Nnuclear protein in testis gene. Would you please show me how to recitify (i.e. remove the extra "n" from the Title) this error? Thank you. joflaher (talk) 17:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher: That is the article renamed. scope_creepTalk 22:40, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Scoop Creep, Many thanks from Mr. Dumb. joflaher (talk) 22:53, 6 February 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.11.97.87 (talk)
Malignant acrospiroma vs. Porocarcinoma vs Spiradenocarcinoma
Scoop Creep, I beginning to make a Wikipedia page on Porocarcinoma I found that typing in Porocarcinoma delivers you to Malignant acrospiroma. The two skin diseases are regarded as different. Furthermore, in the List of skin conditions Wikipedia page, malignant poroma, porocarcinoma, and spiradenocarcinoma are listed as synonyms for Malignant acrospiroma; they are not. According to the literature, porocarcinoma (or its synonym, malignant poroma), spiradenocarcinoma, and Malignant acrospiroma are different skin cancers. Would you please help me by stopping porocarcinoma, malignant poroma, and spiradenocarcinoma from routing to Malignant acrospiroma? I will then create Wikipedia pages for porocacinoma (synonym malignant carcinma) and spiradenocarcinoma. Thank you, joflaher (talk) 17:48, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher: I think it is probably a good idea to remove the Porocarcinoma redirect first and then move to Spiradenocarcinoma when your need to create it. A blank page is never a good thing on Wikipeda. I'll remove the redirect at Porocarcinoma first. That is the first one done. It will take mere seconds to remove the other redirects when you need them removed. scope_creepTalk 17:58, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher:, I see somebody has redirected the Porocarcinoma article. Once your article is ready, I can remove the redirect. scope_creepTalk 10:38, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Porocarcinoma Wikipedia page
Scoop Creep, I am finished making the Wikipedia page for Porocarcinoma. Would you please unlink the erroneous linkage of Porocarcinoma to the Malignant acrospiroma page so that I and print the Porocrcinom Page? This Porocarcinoma page has bee a real bear to write. Thank you for all your help. joflaher (talk) 17:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher: That is it. scope_creepTalk 18:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Scoop Creep, Page done. Again, thank you.Talk 18:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Joflaher: Great article. scope_creepTalk 21:42, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Scoop Creep, Page done. Again, thank you.Talk 18:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher: That is it. scope_creepTalk 18:10, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
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Jody_Turner
Hi, do you actually feel that the "publications" section on this article is justified? It's sourced to an interview and I'm not sure if the publication is real, in the sense of something a publisher independently chose to publish, and that has impact, or whether it's a bit of self-published "look how clever I am!" stuff. I'm very skeptical about the whole thing, but I'm beginning to feel I'm too harsh on people. I seem out of kilter with AfD at the moment, on ice-cream salesmen at any rate! Thanks for the tidying you're doing. Elemimele (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Elemimele: How are you? I've no idea to be honest. I was just trying to clean the article up a bit. I'll take a look. scope_creepTalk 13:13, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Elemimele: I see she works at that organisation. [[2]]. scope_creepTalk 13:15, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Elemimele: I'm not sure. I think it probably is, in the grand scheme of things. I'll take a look tommorrow whem I'm more awake, if you have not removed it yourself. scope_creepTalk 13:24, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- No worries, I have no particularly strong feelings about it. It just seemed to me that it wasn't on a par with the publications I'd expect of an academic or author, but perhaps I should be less harsh. I am still quite inexperienced about what is notable and what is not. Elemimele (talk) 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Elemimele: Yip, that seems to perfectly reasonable argument. Normally I would remove it, as she is works at the company, she wrote it and she is interviewed when it is mentioned on the ref, all things not really going for it. As a pure WP:SPS source, I think it is probably should be taken out, but at the same time, in several sources that I found it states she writes for Unesco and UN amongst others, so it could be a notable report, academically notable that is. I'll definenly take a better look at it tommorrow when I'm more awake. It needs a better look. scope_creepTalk 16:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for your kind support
Dear scope creep, I came here to convey my thanks and gratitude for your support at the latest ANI discussion. I am grateful to find that you and me, both share a common vision for Wikipedia. -Hatchens (talk) 03:34, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I'm not paid?
Hi Scope. I'm not paid to edit Wikipedia. I've never heard of Tripp Smith or GSO partners and have no connection to them. As you can see from my edits, I have created several pages and made edits going back 12 years on various topics. I hope this is enough to sort this issue out. Queeninbriefs (talk) 13:56, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Queeninbriefs: I hope so, but you said almost the exact same words the last time, yet the article was reviewed at WP:NPP by another editor who found it to be non-notable and set it to a redirect and you reverted it. Why did you change it? scope_creepTalk 17:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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Draft: Yonov Frederick Agah
Dear @Scope creep, I hope that you are fine and well? In Nov 2021, you moved the page of Yonov Frederick Agah, to the draft space. Your summary for that move was "incubate in draftspace, BLP for active diplomat that badly sourced. Great article apart from that". In this case, I wanted to reach out and ask for your help in improving the draft. Also, as drafts, which have not been improved may be deleted after six months - it was essential to request for your kind help or the help of any other willing editor. Thank you very much Planetearth285 (talk) 11:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Planetearth285: How goes it? The subject is notable as a senior civil servant but the article is a WP:BLP, which means it needs a reference for every sentence. There is whole sections that are effectively unsourced, that cover very large time periods. Update the article with at least another 30 references and it will be good. Unfortunately I don't have much time at the moment to help. scope_creepTalk 12:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, @Scope creep: I am great thanks for asking. Also, thanks for the very important updates/advice that you have given. I also take note that you do not have much time at the moment to help. However, as the draft might be deleted (say in 3 months) if no improvements are made, if you have time within this frame, please do helpppppppp. Until then, do take care. Planetearth285 (talk) 13:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Scope creep:, how are ya? So, thanks once again for the responses given so far. However, I just wanted to clarify one thing on "it needs a reference for every sentence/update the article with at least another 30 references and it will be good". In this case, could you please clarify what sort of/kind of references would be needed or acceptable? Thanks Planetearth285 (talk) 12:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Planetearth285: WP:SECONDARY sources are the best. People who talking about the person but don't know him. There is goodly number of google book references on him I noticed that confirms at lot of stuff, plus there plenty of newspaper articles that can be used for a reference. His time at the WTO should be well referenced. If you cant reference his teach career, remove it. The same with his time in the nigerian civil service. It would be hard to reference that is not primary. Remove that as well. The private sector block is the same. Your unlikely to get a reference for that, working for any private organisation for anybody, deatails aren't published. It would likkly be written by himself, so reduce it to a single sentence. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 13:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Scope creep:, yes, it helps immensely and I am very grateful for the directions given. Do take care and until next time.Planetearth285 (talk) 16:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
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Radical updating of the Wikipeida page "Multiple familial trichoepithelioma"
Scoop Creep, Since the WikipediaI page "Multiple familial trichoepithelioma" was made there has been a reclassification of multiple familial trichoepitheliomas: It along with Brooke–Spiegler syndrome and familial cylindromatosis are now classified as types of a single disease, CYLD cutaneous syndrome. I have ready to go a new page entitled CYLD cutaneous syndrome and would like to rename the Multiple familial trichoepitheliomas page as the CYLD cutaneous syndrome and fill it with my new page. Searching for the Brooke-Spiegler syndrome pulls up the Multiple familial trichoepitheliomas page while familial cylindromatosis has no page or linkage. I would like to have multiple familial trichoepthelipomas, Brooke-Spiegler syndrome, and CYLD cutaneous syndrome linked to the now named CYLD cutaneous syndrome. Alternatively, I could create the page "CYLD cutaneous syndrome" if you could show me how to convert the aforementioned linkages to "Multiple Familial tricoepithelioma" page and, perhaps remove this page as being redundant and perhaps confusing.For sure, I will do whatever you suggest to update the situation. Thank you. joflaher (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2022 (←UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher: So you want to do the following:
- Rename Multiple familial trichoepitheliomas -> CYLD cutaneous syndrome
- Put your content in the CYLD cutaneous syndrome
- Point Multiple familial trichoepthelipomas -> CYLD cutaneous syndrome
- Point Brooke-Spiegler syndrome -> CYLD cutaneous syndrome
Is that correct. If that is the case I would create the new article at CYLD cutaneous syndrome and redirecting the other articles to your new article. Would that be suitable. You can put your content in the CYLD cutaneous syndrome as it should be brand empty page. Once that is done I will do the other redirects. scope_creepTalk 17:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scoop Creep, the page CYLD cutaneious syndrome has just been created. In needs to have Multiple familial trichoepithelioma and Brooke–Spiegler syndrome unlinked to Multiple familial trichoepithelioma and linked to CYLD cutaneous syndrome and familial cylindromatosis (which was not linked to anything) linked to Multiple familial trichoepithelioma. Thank you. joflaher (talk) 17:48, 4 March 2022 (←UTC)
@Joflaher:
- On Brooke–Spiegler syndrome I've changed the redirect to CYLD cutaneous syndrome syndrome. Can you check that. You want the same redirect for Multiple familial trichoepithelioma. scope_creepTalk 18:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scoop Creep, The Brooke-Spiegler syndrome now correctly goes to CYLD cutaneous syndrome. Multiple familial trichoepithelioma should get the same redirect and "Familial cylindromatosis" (which had no linkage) should also now link to the CYLD cutaneous syndrome page. Thank you very much. joflaher (talk) 18:48, 4 March 2022 (←UTC)
@Joflaher:
- @Joflaher: I think that it is. Can you please check each article to make sure the redirects are targetting the right article. That is a another beautifully written article. scope_creepTalk 22:30, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
March 2022
Hi Scope creep, concerning Josiah De Disciple, if I may ask, why was the article moved to draft space because in your edit summary you stated that the subject is notable and meet WP:Notability, and I've added that his single was certified Gold by the Recording Industry of South Africa (RiSA) here.Is the article now ready for the main space? Neo the Twin (talk) 05:31, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Neo the Twin: Thanks for getting in touch with me. There is two tags on the article, one for reliable sources and one for insufficient references. No new mainspace article should have those types of tags, particularly unreliable sources which is really serious gig. I will check the references on the rticle today. If it is good I mainspace it. scope_creepTalk 09:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, thank you, please alarm me with your decision when you are done. Neo the Twin (talk) 09:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Neo the Twin: The reason the article was tagged with the unreliable sources is due to the references. The first are made up of PR, blogs and profile. All them unacceptable as secondary sources. This for example: 10 Things You should Know About Josiah De Disciple. That is PR and illegal on Wikipedia. This here: Josiah De Disciple releases Spirits of Makoela, Vol. 2: The Reintroduction That looks like a blog reporting a press-release. Blogs are WP:SPS sources and press-release are Non-RS. You'll need to update the article with better sources. This is the same STREAM: Josiah De Disciple & Boohle new collabo album ‘Umbuso Wabam’nyama’. They are very poor references and unacceptable. scope_creepTalk
- He is notable no doubt but an article that state is unsuitable in that state. scope_creepTalk 09:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, thank you, please alarm me with your decision when you are done. Neo the Twin (talk) 09:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I do believe the draft is now ready to invade the main space. Neo the Twin (talk) 11:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
Changing a linkage to Maligant acrospiroma
Scope creep, I just now greatly expanded the Wikipedia page "Spiradenoma" and included on this page its malignant form, Spiradenocarcinoma. I now find that searching for spiradenocarcinoma links to Malignant acrospiroma. I can find no reports that claim spiroadenocarcinoma is synonamous with or a form of malignant acrospiroma. Would you please redirect the linkage of spiroadenocarcinoma to the Spiradenoma page? Thank you. [User:joflaher|joflaher]] (talk) 21:46, 15 March 2022 (←UTC)
- Hi @Joflaher: That is done, can you check and check the categories, to see if they're needing updated. scope_creepTalk 22:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I will check and check and check one more time the categories for updates. Thank you very much.[User:joflaher|joflaher]] (talk) 01:42, 16 March 2022 (←UTC
- @Joflaher: :) You can use the four tildes ~~~~ at the end of your message and this is converted by software into a full signature. Great article. scope_creepTalk 08:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- Scope creep, I will check and check and check one more time the categories for updates. Thank you very much.[User:joflaher|joflaher]] (talk) 01:42, 16 March 2022 (←UTC
- Hi @Joflaher: That is done, can you check and check the categories, to see if they're needing updated. scope_creepTalk 22:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
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Your GA nomination of Gisela von Pöllnitz
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Gisela von Pöllnitz you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ealdgyth -- Ealdgyth (talk) 14:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Ealdgyth: Thanks. I'll take a look at your comments later this afternoon. scope_creepTalk 14:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Dear Scope creep Ji, This is Sams321 i have created artcle in few days ago have been reviewed but some artice are created before it, in the mid of the march month not reviewed till now
i pleased to you for review it, your review encourage to me for create more article and gives the best encyclopedia to the public and readers.(Thank You) Sams321 (talk) 05:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Sams321: Thanks but I'm not really the person to review these at the moment. 23:21, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
History of the Jews in Leeds
Thanks for all the work you're doing on History of the Jews in Leeds; we're about halfway done, I think. Given that the article was formerly at 1000+ references, the fact that it's now under 500 is remarkable. Lkb335 (talk) 21:37, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Lkb335: Its taken a lot of work to get it into shape and a lot more yet is needed. I was planning to delete the whole list as a WP:TNT. scope_creepTalk 23:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I do really believe there is a lot that can be salvaged; the sheer scope of the current article is astounding, if often delving into non-notable territory. Lkb335 (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lkb335: That is really the reason decided to keep it. I noticed a whole of bunch on whatever section I was on at the moment, seemed to be really notable folk. I've a removed a couple up until this point. I was planning to remove another oouple of entry today as I couldn't find anything on the people. Generally I think the editor has been pretty decent at picking out noteworthy individuals, but due to to the size there must be quite a lot of folk that perhaps that need to go. Do you want check each others edits to see if what is being deleted, if it is a person, to make sure they are non-notable. I'll do the same with you. Also I started to remove their post-noms. They only go in the source list, if there is one there. You never see them in listing articles. I've started to link them, if I think they are notable and don't have articles. Ones I've not linked i'm not sure, check it as well. scope_creepTalk 07:40, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- I do really believe there is a lot that can be salvaged; the sheer scope of the current article is astounding, if often delving into non-notable territory. Lkb335 (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lkb335: Its taken a lot of work to get it into shape and a lot more yet is needed. I was planning to delete the whole list as a WP:TNT. scope_creepTalk 23:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
WP:GAN page edit
Scope creep, yesterday you removed three of your nominations by editing the GAN page directly.
They way to remove nominations is to remove them from the article talk pages. There's a bot that runs every 20 minutes, and once the nominations are gone from the article talk pages, the bot will no longer include them on the GAN page.
As it happens, you did those talk-page removals for two of the three nominations. The third, Harald Poelchau, was not removed, so the bot came along and added that nomination back to the talk page. If you really meant to retract your nomination, you'll need to go Talk:Harald Poelchau and delete the GA nominee template. After that, all you need to do is wait a bit, and the bot will remove it automatically. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @BlueMoonset: I thought I did. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 07:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Remote (company)
If you believe other editors are behaving inappropriately, by all means take it to WP:ANI, but don't make threats and observe proper Wikipedia:Talk Page Etiquette; specifically don't remove other editors comments. I tend to agree with your arguments about the article, and I can certainly understand your exasperation with the situation, but your behavior is borderline WP:BULLYING. That doesn't help your cause. It has made me back off voting for deletion while I consider the whole thing. Jacona (talk) 14:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jacona: I don't have anything against folk who create paid articles and follow the rules. Being paid to write an article for some people is a good way to earn money; they need to feed their family and keep a roof over their head like everybody else. I am completely sympathetic to those folk. There is nothing wrong with it. But this dude, who has three seperate editors on the coin noticeboard saying he is an UPE, has no interest in supporting Wikipedia or following the rules. The greatest project of mankind since the enlightenment. This dude wants to WP:GAME the system for his benfit and the company which has been advertising for a paid article for months, at our loss. The previous edior was trying to WP:BLUDGEON the whole argument and fudge it. I can't say exactly how I feel about it, because it would get me blocked in a New York minute. I have no time for these folk. They are corrupt. scope_creepTalk 18:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Scope creep:, I have quite a bit of respect for people who are passionate about wikipedia, and so occasionally get a bit incivil in momentary frustration. So while I felt your reversion of my response to you in a deletion discussion was not appropriate, I wasn't going to make a fuss about it. In fact I came here now, a day later, intending to reach out via a friendly message. However, instead I find you apparently accusing me of corruption in a discussion about the situation with someone else. I'm afraid I will have to insist you clearly and unambiguously withdraw that accusation, here and anywhere else you may have made it. Unless of course you have something to back it up, which seems unlikely since I don't know anyone of the participants in the discussion (other than by seeing their wiki sigs go by) and have no relationship with Remote (company), in fact was not aware of its existence before the AFD. I merely feel nearly as strongly that we've developed a strong allergy against covering companies as you seem to feel that we have a COI emergency. We could probably find some common ground....but not if you throw around unsupported accusations like "corrupt" and "fudge it". Martinp (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Martinp: I don't have problem covering companies if the articles are sufficiently well referenced. Do you know about WP:NCORP policy, that was written four years ago, explicity for this type of article? scope_creepTalk 19:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Haha! Yes I do know about it, and have made edits to that policy in 2017, 2011, and 2008. See [3] and [4]. I believe in its original incarnation it arose in part due to a controversy about Arch Coal, where I participated in a DRV when Jimbo Wales deleted it in 2006 [5]. We've come a long way since then, both in the evolution of the policy as well as in the tenacity of spammers, so we could have a discussion whether I'm out-of-touch too lenient on all this -- there were definitely those who thought I was back in 2006! However, we need to start with you withdrawing your accusation that I am corrupt, which I understand comes from a passionate frustration on your part, but is still unacceptable in a discussion of which a permanent record is retained and accessible indefinitely. In addition, a recognition that your revert of my discussion contribution at the AFD was suboptimal (versus. eg. just commenting that you felt I was indeed bludgeoning but letting the comment stand, or strike-through the comment but retaining it if you felt strongly, or asking for an uninvolved admin to address) would be helpful. Given your strong contibutions to wikipedia, I'm sure you know well that AFD is a discussion, not a vote; but that means that the bar for removing comments dissenting with your own views needs to be very high! Martinp (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Martinp: That is really cool. I've never done any of that kind of stuff. Its interesting you have worked on it. I've not met anybody that has done that kind of work before. On the other subject, ff you felt that I was calling you corrupt, then sorry. I plan to stop working from Afd from this forward, as its driving me up the wall. If you want me to put the comment back I will. At the time I thought it was attempt at blugeoning. I woudn't have put a strikethrough on it, as that seems be against policy and severly annoys folk. scope_creepTalk 07:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Martinp: I have put it back in, in the same position. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 07:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Haha! Yes I do know about it, and have made edits to that policy in 2017, 2011, and 2008. See [3] and [4]. I believe in its original incarnation it arose in part due to a controversy about Arch Coal, where I participated in a DRV when Jimbo Wales deleted it in 2006 [5]. We've come a long way since then, both in the evolution of the policy as well as in the tenacity of spammers, so we could have a discussion whether I'm out-of-touch too lenient on all this -- there were definitely those who thought I was back in 2006! However, we need to start with you withdrawing your accusation that I am corrupt, which I understand comes from a passionate frustration on your part, but is still unacceptable in a discussion of which a permanent record is retained and accessible indefinitely. In addition, a recognition that your revert of my discussion contribution at the AFD was suboptimal (versus. eg. just commenting that you felt I was indeed bludgeoning but letting the comment stand, or strike-through the comment but retaining it if you felt strongly, or asking for an uninvolved admin to address) would be helpful. Given your strong contibutions to wikipedia, I'm sure you know well that AFD is a discussion, not a vote; but that means that the bar for removing comments dissenting with your own views needs to be very high! Martinp (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Martinp: I don't have problem covering companies if the articles are sufficiently well referenced. Do you know about WP:NCORP policy, that was written four years ago, explicity for this type of article? scope_creepTalk 19:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Scope creep:, I have quite a bit of respect for people who are passionate about wikipedia, and so occasionally get a bit incivil in momentary frustration. So while I felt your reversion of my response to you in a deletion discussion was not appropriate, I wasn't going to make a fuss about it. In fact I came here now, a day later, intending to reach out via a friendly message. However, instead I find you apparently accusing me of corruption in a discussion about the situation with someone else. I'm afraid I will have to insist you clearly and unambiguously withdraw that accusation, here and anywhere else you may have made it. Unless of course you have something to back it up, which seems unlikely since I don't know anyone of the participants in the discussion (other than by seeing their wiki sigs go by) and have no relationship with Remote (company), in fact was not aware of its existence before the AFD. I merely feel nearly as strongly that we've developed a strong allergy against covering companies as you seem to feel that we have a COI emergency. We could probably find some common ground....but not if you throw around unsupported accusations like "corrupt" and "fudge it". Martinp (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jacona: I don't have anything against folk who create paid articles and follow the rules. Being paid to write an article for some people is a good way to earn money; they need to feed their family and keep a roof over their head like everybody else. I am completely sympathetic to those folk. There is nothing wrong with it. But this dude, who has three seperate editors on the coin noticeboard saying he is an UPE, has no interest in supporting Wikipedia or following the rules. The greatest project of mankind since the enlightenment. This dude wants to WP:GAME the system for his benfit and the company which has been advertising for a paid article for months, at our loss. The previous edior was trying to WP:BLUDGEON the whole argument and fudge it. I can't say exactly how I feel about it, because it would get me blocked in a New York minute. I have no time for these folk. They are corrupt. scope_creepTalk 18:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
(outdent) Thanks, @Scope creep:. I accept your response here, and your statement at WP:ANI that you "weren't particularly discussing" me as an effective withdrawal of the accusation against me. And I appreciate your reinstatement of my comment. So you and I are cool. I don't think your withdrawal from deletion discussions and COIN is necessary, though if it's making you frustrated, taking a break from it and doing something else sounds like a great idea. That said, I don't think the overall treatment of Husond (in which I don't think he smells of roses either) is fully resolved, but that's being discussed at ANI. Happy editing, and I genuinely meant it that I appreciate your passion! Martinp (talk) 12:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Scope creep. Just now realized you reverted some of my edits at TTEC. I tend to think that for non-promotional material like company structure primary sources are reliable. But I've modified the section a bit - removing double information from the history and intro - and added other sources as well. Hope you agree with it this way. Best --Tec Tom (talk) 15:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tec Tom: Not really, no. This is an encylopedia and secondary sources are standard. If the sources are primary then I will remove. Making the article like a native advertising article is explicity against wikipedia terms of use. I will continue to remove stuff I think is promotional. Any services, product, product lisings are promo by definition and fail WP:NCORP. You have added more entries into acquisitions list. Reader don't read them, this is show by research and they all backed by primary sources, so why add them. 9 of 20 references on that are primary and the rest are a mix of PR that fails WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND and other routine coverage scope_creepTalk 15:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tec Tom: It was already cleaned up in 2015, when complaints were made. scope_creepTalk 15:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your quick response. Obviously secondary sources are standard and I'm definitely not trying to add unnecessary fluff or turn articles into promotional spam. However I see a lot of good articles around that include a lot of background on products and NCORP actually states: "If a company is notable, information on its products and services should generally be included in the article on the company." I also didn't add new acquisitions, just tried to create a better overview by summarizing information from the history. And I actually do read them ;) But I do take your point and hadn't seen the 2015 complaints yet. Thanks for your feedback! --Tec Tom (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tec Tom: Yip, it is notable, no doubt. It's not a bad article per se, its just the way it is on Wikipedia, they seem to puff over time. For a company that size I thought it would have been a much bigger article. I guess they never employed paid editors to expand it. scope_creepTalk 19:24, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for your quick response. Obviously secondary sources are standard and I'm definitely not trying to add unnecessary fluff or turn articles into promotional spam. However I see a lot of good articles around that include a lot of background on products and NCORP actually states: "If a company is notable, information on its products and services should generally be included in the article on the company." I also didn't add new acquisitions, just tried to create a better overview by summarizing information from the history. And I actually do read them ;) But I do take your point and hadn't seen the 2015 complaints yet. Thanks for your feedback! --Tec Tom (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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Dear Scope creep! Please delete my chess articles without spam on my talk page. Thanks for your understanding!--Uldis s (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Uldis s: I sincerely don't want to delete any of your articles. There is nothing wrong with them apart from missing references. I would like you to add secondary sources to each one of them. One or two refs per article would be enough. Then that would be it, back to mainspace. I only drafted a few to try to get you to notice there was a problem with your approach, but deletion was never on my mind, merely a slight change in approach. scope_creepTalk 16:21, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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A Proposal to formalise and centralise the control and reporting of Undisclosed Paid Editing
I have created a discussion at WP:VPR to start the ball rolling. Thank you usernamekiran for your thoughts about WP:COIN, but I had already placed it, or set the placing of it in hand, at WP:VPR.
I have chosen a very simple proposal, knowhingthat the more complex a proposal be, the more it will be torn to shreds
Your thoughts and your publicising this proposal to such parties as you feel appropriate, perhaps by link to WP:COIN are welcome. Note that I do not seek your support simply your opinions. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:00, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtrent: I will be glad to participate, and share my opinions :-) —usernamekiran (talk) 19:31, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran It is my hope that it will lead... somewhere. I expect any finished and potentially approved proposal will be widely different from the original. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtrent: I just saw the proposal, but unfortunately, it looks like it will not lead to the results you were hoping to. The reason I wanted to discuss it on user talkpage first was to get opinions of few editors, going straight to VP was a little hasty. I will comment there soon. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Timtrent - I am saddened that you chose to put it forward at Village Pump Proposals at the same time as I was trying to start discussion at the Idea Lab. You say it is a simple proposal. It may be simplistic, but it isn't simple, because your answer of an additional class of privileged editors doesn't seem to be the answer to any specific question about Undisclosed Paid Editing. It didn't look as though I was getting a positive response at Idea Lab, but I was about to suggest a few more thoughts. Well, now I think we will have to wait a few more months before anything new can be proposed. I thought that I didn't have a specific idea, and so would try to develop it at the Idea Lab. You had a half-baked idea that needed more cooking. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Robert McClenon I am also saddened. I had already pulled the trigger. I had no idea you were discussing this. Wikipedia is so devolved that this can happen too easily. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 05:22, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Usernamekiran - That is also why I wanted to develop it at the Idea Lab first. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- A simplistic idea can also be torn to shreds quickly at Proposals. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- User:Timtrent - I am saddened that you chose to put it forward at Village Pump Proposals at the same time as I was trying to start discussion at the Idea Lab. You say it is a simple proposal. It may be simplistic, but it isn't simple, because your answer of an additional class of privileged editors doesn't seem to be the answer to any specific question about Undisclosed Paid Editing. It didn't look as though I was getting a positive response at Idea Lab, but I was about to suggest a few more thoughts. Well, now I think we will have to wait a few more months before anything new can be proposed. I thought that I didn't have a specific idea, and so would try to develop it at the Idea Lab. You had a half-baked idea that needed more cooking. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Timtrent: I just saw the proposal, but unfortunately, it looks like it will not lead to the results you were hoping to. The reason I wanted to discuss it on user talkpage first was to get opinions of few editors, going straight to VP was a little hasty. I will comment there soon. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran It is my hope that it will lead... somewhere. I expect any finished and potentially approved proposal will be widely different from the original. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:36, 9 May 2022 (UTC)