Article at AfC, mainspace, but then edited back to (declined AfC version)
Margaret A. Wilcox was declined at AfC for not being written in formal, neutral tone. I re-wrote the article, and moved it to the mainspace. Now a new editor has come along and changed it back to the version that was declined. What is the appropriate next step here? DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- DaffodilOcean, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You help us aid you better if you provide links (diffs) to what you reference, This circumstance seems rather strange, please can you show us links to that which you speak of? Celestina007 (talk) 22:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah...looks like someone just reverted it. I don't know how to show differences (though I have seen this done).
- I moved this version to the main space: [1]
- Then I saw this version: [2]
- As an aside, I would love to learn how people show the differences with one link. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- You just provided diffs. Celestina007 (talk) 23:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @DaffodilOcean, see Help:Diff#Linking to a diff. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The link from StarryGrandma is what I was looking for, magic. Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
And now another new editor YeonL has come along (with only this one edit) and added back some, though not all, of the encyclopedic statements and un-cited statements. See diff here [3]. I have edited the page again, but is it appropriate to protect the page, or is this too minor to bother? DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Celestina007 - this page keeps getting changed back to non-encyclopedic statements. I have changed it back once and Mcmatter changed it back. The latest difference is this: [4] Is there a means to protect the page so people need more edits on Wikipedia before they can change the page? The edits are not slander, they are just WP:PUFF. DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @DaffodilOcean, see Wikipedia:Edit warring, Wikipedia:Page protection and Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ― Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you - this information is helpful and I will read through the documents and follow up. DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @DaffodilOcean, see Wikipedia:Edit warring, Wikipedia:Page protection and Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. ― Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft got declined for advertising and I don't understand why
Draft:PropertyGuru is my first-ever article, so I'm sure it's rife with problems... I just don't understand what they are. If the reviewer had specific critiques, I don't seem to be able to locate them. I've asked the reviewer, Theroadislong, for help, so hopefully I get some constructive feedback from them about where to go from here. But if anyone else has advice, I'd be forever grateful for help!
I don't have any COI, and I can't see any of the reasons the article's tone isn't a neutral POV. (I tried to make every sentence an objective summary of information gleaned from the sources.) I don't think there's any promotional language in the article. I assume the company wouldn't much like my mentions of their negative income, their labor disputes, their failed IPO, or any of the other negative news stories I found while researching, so I think it's objective.
PropertyGuru is a massive company here (the "Zwillow of Asia", as per trusted sources), getting over 40 million monthly visits. And it's on the brink of a big IPO on the NYSE with a valuation of over a billion dollars. Lots of coverage in major finance news sources around the globe, so I believe it's pretty notable.
(And while you're gifting me free advice, I'd also love help with fixing the Categories section and deciphering the copyright rules for adding logos – I'm terrified that I might screw it up.)
Thank you!! Pathologix (talk) 10:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pathologix: Are you familiar with the concept of "promotion-by-overdetail"? The draft goes into the weeds on things it shouldn't, such as funding rounds (we don't care about it) and a bulleted M&A list. Strip out everything that doesn't explain what the company is, its core business, and its most notable achievements. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 10:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Pathologix Most of the sources you offer just document the routine business activities of the company, this does not establish that the notability guidelines for companies are met. As Jéské alludes to, you have too many sources(as odd as that may sound). Fewer high-quality sources are much better than a large number of low-quality sources. Take your three best sources that provide significant coverage of this company itself(not just its activities) and concentrate on summarizing those. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Jéské Couriano: @331dot: Ahhh... that makes a lot of sense sense. I definitely went pretty far down the rabbit hole and must've lost some perspective on what's encyclopedia-worthy. Back to the drawing board.. Thanks! Pathologix (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pathologix: On the logo: When the article exists in mainspace, copy the logo into a file, upload it to en.wiki (not Commons) as a "non-free file", and there are options to select to show that it's the logo of a company etc; add a statement on the lines of "The logo will be used once in one article as a means of visual identification for the company", add "none" in the "special conditions" box, and all should be well. I don't think this can be done until the article exists in mainspace, as a check for the existence of the article it's going to be included in is part of the file upload system checks. PamD 11:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Some easy ways to improve the draft:
- Delete the "Funding" section.
- Delete the list of acquisitions.
- Delete the failed Australian IPO.
- Delete the SPAC merger. Maybe re-add it once it has happened.
- All this will make it look more like an encyclopedia article, and less like advertising material aimed at potential investors. Maproom (talk) 19:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Name of Articles
I have two articles I'm planning to write. One will be on the relationship between Facist Italy and the Catholic Church. The other will be on Gandhi's 'celibacy experiments' and comments on women/rape/etc. What are good names for these articles? TypistMonkey (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- I recommend reading this section. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TypistMonkey welcome to Teahouse! For the first one, Catholic Church and Fascist Italy would be my suggestion, because it sorts the two entities alphabetically. See Catholic Church and Nazi Germany for an example. For last example, consider expanding the existing section in Mahatma Gandhi#On life, society and other application of his ideas and discuss on talk page, before creating a new article. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Use of QI/FP/VI icons in image captions within Wikipedia topics
Hello Teahouse: Given the large number of images in Commons, I am in favor when a user both uploads their images, then seeks Quality Image/Featured Picture/Valued Image ratings as it helps distinguish image quality for specific goals in Commons and Wikipedia. While this information is good to know (and retained in the image description), is it acceptable to place QI/FP/VI icons in image captions of Wikpedia topics as shown in this Adenium obesum example? I am thinking that as described in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons, inclusion of these inline icons would be merely decorative and not be in keeping with encyclopedic use (MOS:DÉCOR). Can you please advise? GRDN711 (talk) 18:46, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- @GRDN711 Welcome to the Teahouse. It took me a while to appreciate what you were asking, but having realised you meant the placement of
{{QI seal}}
and other image quality icons at the start of an image caption on en-wikipedia, then the answer is absolutely not. These are not appropriate within articles, and should all be removed. I did a quick check for all articles containing the 'Quality Image icon (), and found only these 31 uses of them in article space. Each image is, admittedly, really lovely, but all were taken by User:Tagooty, who is clearly an extremely competent photographer and their work is much appreciated here. I suspect they thought it was an OK thing to add, but it really mustn't go into the articles themselves I've pinged Tagooty here so that they are made aware of the concern you raise, and I would respectfully ask them to go back and edit all the articles into which they've placed these unnecessary image quality icons and remove them as soon as they are able to, please. The quality assessments are always available on Commons for anyone interested in seeing and appreciating how they've been assessed. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:06, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Done @GRDN711 and Nick Moyes: Thanks for flagging this issue and for providing the helpful link to articles with QI seals. Also removed VI and FP seals. Please let me know if I've missed any. Tagooty (talk) 04:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tagooty Thank you very much indeed - specially for dealing with it so quickly. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Dire things going on at Jay_Spearing
I really feel out of my depth with this article. I just came across it at recent changes. It's being heavily edited by an editor with a name that suggests a CoI, and by an IP editor and two other named editors, who are adding all sorts of dubious stuff such as this [5]. Normally I'd just revert something unsourced like that, with an edit-summary that it's "anecdotal" but I can't work out where the rot set it. The article's got an enormous quantity of dubious editing. Anyone feel like a challenge? And please do let me know what I should have done with such a mess. Elemimele (talk) 22:24, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Looks like someone has restored the article to the pre-chaos version. I'll watch the article and maybe temporary protection is in order if it persists. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:42, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedian meet-up question
Greetings to all in the Teahouse. Are there any Wikipedian meet up groups in Upstate NY? Ulster County | Rosendale ? Apocalypticwarlord (talk) 22:39, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'll let somebody else answer this, Apocalypticwarlord. But I have to say that if there are, and if I'd previously been considering going along, I'd wonder if I really wanted to meet an apocalyptic warlord there. (Indeed, I'm not sure I'd want to meet either a warm and fuzzy warlord or an apocalyptic santa Claus.) Perhaps I'd just stay at home. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- We must WP:ASSUMEGOODWARLORD Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- I know a good [Curry Place] in Bradford. I suspect one or two others do too!!! -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 00:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Website says the Queen thinks the food there is beautiful. Did she just look at it? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 00:19, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- I haven't been to the Mumtaz for years - I moved away from Bradford 6 years ago - but it was always a special place. ColinFine (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- I know a good [Curry Place] in Bradford. I suspect one or two others do too!!! -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 00:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- We must WP:ASSUMEGOODWARLORD Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Roxy the dog, its website (NB not a RS) says that it provides (A) a "cosy environment" and (B) "a seating capacity of 500". Either of the two, no biggie; but both, a truly remarkable combination (if verifiable via RS, of course). -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here is what we say about it. Mumtaz Group. I knew nothing about most of that until just now. Good grief. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 02:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Roxy the dog, that Mumtaz article looks like an anti-advertisement. Good grief is right. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here is what we say about it. Mumtaz Group. I knew nothing about most of that until just now. Good grief. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 02:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Roxy the dog, its website (NB not a RS) says that it provides (A) a "cosy environment" and (B) "a seating capacity of 500". Either of the two, no biggie; but both, a truly remarkable combination (if verifiable via RS, of course). -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
{{Episode table}} custom parameter
Hello. I would like to add a custom "Length (minutes)" parameter to the {{Episode table}} / {{Episode list}} templates at Salad Fingers#Episodes. I understand that you can add custom parameters with "aux" and "auxT", but I can't seem to get it to work properly. Whenever I try, the custom parameter either replaces an existing one or doesn't show up at all. Would be greatly appreciated if anyone could help out. Throast (talk | contribs) 23:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- Taking this to the help desk since it's very specific. Throast (talk | contribs) 12:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
My article was declined
Courtesy link: Draft:Kristine Kelly
I'm trying to create an article for an actress that is on Wikipedia but she doesn't have an article. I put brackets on her name and wrote an article. Not sure why it was declined. Her name is Kristine Kelly. Mszeldazonk (talk) 02:52, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Mszeldazonk: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft doesn't show how Kelly is notable by Wikipedia's standards, doesn't have inline citations, and some of the references are IMDb, which isn't considered to be a reliable source due to its user-generated content. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- See Help: Referencing for beginners for how to reference. Given what you have, may be WP:TOOSOON for an article. David notMD (talk) 03:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Mszeldazonk, she is "on Wikipedia", but doesn't have an article? How is she on WP? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- A "pages containing" search finds mentions of her in two articles on films she has appeared in – a fairly small toehold. (A third mention is probably someone different with the same name.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 07:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- I see that other actresses in Mirror Images 2 have articles so I was trying to make one for her. Mszeldazonk (talk) 19:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- A "pages containing" search finds mentions of her in two articles on films she has appeared in – a fairly small toehold. (A third mention is probably someone different with the same name.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 07:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Questionable citation
I was looking at editing this article with a citation which I'm not sure fits the definition of a reliable source or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Two_envelopes_problem
and
Falk, Ruma (2008). "The Unrelenting Exchange Paradox". Teaching Statistics. 30 (3): 86–88. doi:10.1111/j.1467-9639.2008.00318.x.
The citation in Introduction/Problem/Basic setup directly quotes from the problem definition of wikipedia, and the citation is used as reference to the problem definition. I feel it would be more appropriate to find a definition not cyclically referencing wikipedia, but I can't find an appropriate one easily.
Also, there is no attribution to the cquote in the opening abstract section, I can't tell if it should be changed to a normal paragraph or there is a citation containing that exact text--- would it be more appropriate to use the original problem definition given in the section "History of the paradox", or is it appropriate here for wikipedia editors to make a problem definition synthesis for modern-language clarity? Darcyisverycute (talk) 03:32, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Darcyisverycute: Hi, and welecome to the Teahouse! You said, "I feel it would be more appropriate to find a definition not cyclically referencing Wikipedia", and you are right. As far as I can tell, in that context the footnote is used similarly to how a {{seealso}} tag would be at the top of the article, but the footnote is definitely not conventional style. As for the quote, I think the definition given in the History of the paradox section, properly cited, would work just fine. (I was taken aback by the footnote defined as #3, though. Such information is typically in a see also section, not a talk page. The banners at the top of the article are right – it definitely needs cleanup.) I hope that answered your question, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Login
I had recently cleared my Chrome data. Now I am unable to login with my older Wikipedia account. Please help. Uff ki baat (talk) 05:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Uff ki baat: Please see Help:Logging in § Login issiues and problems. If you no longer remember the password: Did you provide an email address for the account? If you did, you should be able to request at the log in page, that a new password is sent to that email address. If you didn't provide an email address, bad luck; you won't be able to gain access to your account. However, you can create another account, and using that account, edit your old account's userpage to mention that you no longer use it. Before creating the new account, please read up on Wikipedia's username policy, to make sure your account complies. Hope this has helped. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:09, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
PAGE PUBLISHING AND VERIFICATON
Help me publish my page, I am a new member Kowser CS (talk) 06:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- If this is about User:Kowser CS/sandbox, I am not an admin and therefore cannot see what was there (hopefully one of the admin folks around here will have some concrete notes for you), however, please be aware that creating an article about youself is strongely discouraged. Please see your first article for how to create a new article on the english Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:13, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Request for review in WP:AN. - CafeGurrier66 (talk • contribs) 06:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kowser CS, here's the first paragraph of what was deleted: Chartered Skills™ is a quality professional e-learning & hiring platform. We Provide Versatile skill-oriented courses which really touch one’s goal. We also ensure freedom for entrepreneurs, the job for job seeker ecstasy for professional people. And it continued in the same vein. I'll try to be kind about this, and merely say that it demonstrates a complete unawareness of what Wikipedia is for. Nobody here will give you any help publishing it or anything like it. You're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 09:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Per your Talk page, the Speedy deletion was done "...under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic." David notMD (talk) 18:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Automatic "Add a citation" sometimes creates an invalid date field
When the visual editor automatic option for "Add a citation" imports from some sources, for example the DOI 10.1080/20008198.2018.1425574, it puts "2018-01" in the "Source date" field. Which is an invalid date that I could manually change to "Janurary 2018" to make it valid. In my experience some journals don't list the day of publication, only the month. Is there a way for the auto cite to do that for me?
Also, how important is it (how much effort should I spend looking) for citations to have day, month and year, compared to just month and year? Especially for articles that have a DOI, I'm not sure if it matters.
The error message after automatically adding the citation I got is:
{{cite journal}}
: Empty citation (help): Check date values in: |date= (help) Darcyisverycute (talk) 06:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Username
I've just had a concern after reading over the Wikipedia:Username policy and am now wondering, based on the fact that Charizard is a Pokémon and is a trademarked term, that my name "Notcharizard" might be classed as somehow promotional (I've nothing to do with the Pokemon company or Game Freak at all, I'm just a fan) and wanted to check if it's necessary for me to change it? I am hoping not. Thank you! -- NotCharizard 🗨 09:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Personally I don't see a problem with your username. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Notcharizard I don't see a problem, either. Dot333 and I are both administrators here, and I do a lot of work at Usernames for Admin Attention and any concerns would be rejected by me if they were raised. The only thing that does concern me is the lack of visibility of your signature. Pale purple against white is hard for anyone without perfect vision to read, so it might be nice if you would consider enhancing the contrast. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Good idea, I'll change the colours. Thank you both, I just wanted to be sure now rather than find out later! -- NotCharizard 🗨 10:13, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Links and Editing
Nowadays, in Wikipedia, whenever I aim the cursor of my PC on any hyperlink of any page of Wikipedia, right at my cursor, I just get the name of the page of which the hyperlink is. But, it was not when I was new to Wikipedia. At the time when I was new to Wikipedia, whenever I used to aim the cursor of my PC on any hyperlink of any page of Wikipedia, whatever the page of which the hyperlink may be, I used to get a lot of details of that page along with the main image of the page, right at my cursor. Please help me with this.
Nowadays, in Wikipedia, whenever I try to edit any mistake or any missing part of any page of Wikipedia, I receive a message that my editing was disruptive and the part which I edit gets reversed again. As a beginner, I can't understand that which type of editing is said to be disruptive and which type of editing is not said to be disruptive.
The pages I edited for which I received a message that my editing was disruptive and the part which I edited got reversed again were RRR (film), Mauli (film) & A Gentleman and many more.
The pages I edited for which I didn't receive a message that my editing was disruptive and the part which I edited get reversed again were Vettai, and Damarukam.
I can't understand that which type of editing is said to be disruptive and which type of editing is not said to be disruptive. Please help me with this. Abhijit VK (talk) 10:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Abhijit VK, some explanation is in the edit summaries that you will see if you look at the article's history. Here's a difference where someone undid your edits with an explanation: [6]. Their explanation is that you've converted a lot of ordinary English words, whose meanings are quite clear to our readers, into Wiki-links. This makes the text less clear, and is unnecessary. It's also explained in the manual of style, to which they've given you a link. Elemimele (talk) 11:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Abhijit VK, the harshest comment you've recently received is by Theroadislong, for this edit. I have to say that the comment surprises me. Perhaps Theroadislong would care to explain how the edit was an example of vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- The article is titled "Krishnarjuna Yudham", Abhijit changed the spelling to "Yuddham" in the body of the article. Theroadislong (talk) 12:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- "Yuddham" would be the accurate transliteration of the original title though its not a common spelling. Abhijit VK was trying to help, in my view. However, they were probably not aware of the policies and might have thought that those reverts / warnings were made by bots, not real people. I have asked them to approach the teahouse to clear their doubts, hoping this would turn them into a productive editor. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- The article is titled "Krishnarjuna Yudham", Abhijit changed the spelling to "Yuddham" in the body of the article. Theroadislong (talk) 12:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Theroadislong, when Abhijit VK altered the spelling, you wrote (or caused to be written) "if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Krishnarjuna Yudham,...", which strikes me as a wild overreaction. But then again I am a very unobservant and perhaps rather dim-witted person, which perhaps explains why I fail to class "Krishnarjuna Yuddham" with "Krishnarjuna asdfghjkl" or "Krishnarjuna TRUMP WON" or "Krishnarjuna was gay!!!" -- Hoary (talk) 22:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Categories creation and how to deal with them
Hi, i was trying to create new categories, I have already red the guidelines but i didn't quite grasp it fully, i think. Would you mind to take a look at them see here,and here, here and share any suggestion on how to do it better? Some advices would be helpful. Cheers. --Opencross (talk) 13:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Opencross, if you don't get any good replies here, try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Can I cite knowyourmeme?
Say, in reference to something gaining meme status on the internet devoid of its original context?
Also, is there anyway to format my signature so I can keep the colors *and* have space to link my talk?
Thanks! ~ carpathianflorist 13:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carpathianflorist, see WP:KNOWYOURMEME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:32, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! That's a very handy page. ~ carpathianflorist 15:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carpathianflorist Yes it is! If you wonder about a source and can't find it there, you can try "Search the noticeboard archives" at WP:RSN, that sometimes help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! That's a very handy page. ~ carpathianflorist 15:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Roleback Request
Hi, Can someone rollback Guler a couple of edits please? I would do it to remove the vandalism but I don't know how. Carver1889 (talk) 16:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carver1889, I have reverted the edits and warned the user. Kpddg (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Does anyone want to create an article about "parsimonious with the truth"?
I was looking for a Wikipedia reference to the expression "parsimonious with the truth". I thought it was a well known and old expression often attributed to Mark Twain. Though the expression appears in many books, now I think it is probably just a rather obscure euphemism (and almost surely not from Mark Twain). Might be worth a Wikipedia reference or article because of the books? Or maybe not? Perhaps the easiest test of relevance is whether you know what it means? (And if so, then how did you figure it out?)
The following link is the 8th page of results from Google Search. That's the last page with the exact quote, so there are at least seven pages of books that use it. (I noticed that some of them were dictionaries, so I'm not sure if those books should count as significant uses of the expression.)
By the way, I explored creating a new article for the topic. Turned out to be way too much bother for such a trivial topic. Mostly left me wondering what sort of person has that much motivation to do such a thing. Along the way I remember seeing something about being friendly to newcomers. It didn't feel that way. But my sentiments towards Wikipedia have gotten much darker over the years. (So that would lead to a recursive joke from the articles titled "The road to hell is paved..."?) Shanen (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- This may be something more up Wiktionary's alley. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Shanen, you gave up quickly. I quote it: "So this is really just a stub suggestion for an article if someone thinks it is justified." Stubs are generally worthless; when you hope that somebody else will create a substantive article about whatever, try WP:Requested articles. Meanwhile, the article Economical with the truth may interest you. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- ... creating a new article ... [seems] to be way too much bother..
- Heh, heh! That's what I think every time I see a reply to some newbie asking about how to create a new article. Fabrickator (talk) 11:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
I have redirected parsimonious with the truth to the article on the more common wording, and added a source using it. PamD 09:49, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Articles Written on Wikipedia
This is one of the questions that i have being wanting to ask for a long time now. Do Wikipedia pay writers for their articles Giftyemmy (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- No. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:38, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Giftyemmy, and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia does not pay writers for their articles; pretty much everything on Wikipedia is done by volunteers. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 18:40, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- There are people/companies offering to create articles for pay - some valid - some scams - but none of that is affiliated with Wikipedia. Paid editing must be declared on the User page of the editor. Undeclared paid editing is grounds for being blocked. See WP:PAID for more on the topic. David notMD (talk) 18:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Chiming in to also add that paying someone to make edits to a page is risky, as the nature of a wiki almost guarantees that what they wrote will eventually be removed or worked on. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Marriage Abnormalities
I want to write an articles on the meaning of Marriage, its advantage, disadvantage, and Marriage abnormalities as a guide for single and married people to follow. And i will be basing my references on our normal day to day life and also on biblical terms Giftyemmy (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- The answer is no. Wikipedia articles are not for op-eds or proselytising. (And keep your God, He wants me dead.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia articles are informative, but not guides or how-to. Your thoughts on the topic would be original research = forbidden. David notMD (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- This article is to be set as a guide for people (not everybody) Giftyemmy (talk) 19:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia articles are not guides. Marriage is an existing, lenghty (!) article, with links to related articles. Consider improving that article. David notMD (talk) 19:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- That doesn't matter. We don't allow articles which are clearly opinion or are trying to preach to the reader, and your "meaning of marriage" is little more than your personal opinion of it coloured from a Christian perspective. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 19:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Given that you started your account today, you cannot edit Marriage until your account is four days old and you have made ten edits, as it is semi-protected (the 'lock' symbol to upper right). David notMD (talk) 19:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- And not necessarily even a perspective common to all Christians. The phrase "marriage abnormalities" is ringing all sorts of warning bells for me. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 19:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
See WP:YFA if you decide to create an article about another topic. New editors are strongly advised to gain experience editing existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 19:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- There is a clarification necessary here. It is perfectly acceptable to write about marriage, or anything else that falls in an ethical sphere, from a Christian perspective. But it is also correct to write about it from a Muslim perspective, a Jewish perspective, a Sikh perspective, an Atheist's perspective or an Agnostic's; in fact it's essential that in a subject on which religion has an unavoidable opinion, we reflect all religious views neutrally and without bias, and without any personal statement for or against any of those views; Wikipedia does not reject God; Wikipedia rejects Original Research and Unsourced Original Opinion. Wikipedia has no particular opinion on God (or anything); it is here to summarise others' opinions.
- In formulating our article, we must stick to reliable secondary sources. Whether you hate Christianity, or adhere to it, you can only write about it in the voice of someone else, someone widely believed to have an opinion worth listening to. Incidentally, we already have an article Christian_views_on_marriage which is a good place for those interested in how Christian beliefs and ethics affect attitudes to marriage. Elemimele (talk) 16:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- While the answers to the original question are broadly correct, their contexts seem to be colored by some prejudices--and in at least one case, a chip on a shoulder. The OP did not mention a Christian perspective or Christianity. Wikipedia is not the forum for what s/he proposed; that's all that's needed. The OP, apparently being new here, might not realize that--as many newbies are unclear on just what Wikipedia is. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The original post ends with
and also on biblical terms
, which suggests a Christian, Jewish or Samaritanist perspective. By number of believers, Christian seems more likely. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- The original post ends with
- While the answers to the original question are broadly correct, their contexts seem to be colored by some prejudices--and in at least one case, a chip on a shoulder. The OP did not mention a Christian perspective or Christianity. Wikipedia is not the forum for what s/he proposed; that's all that's needed. The OP, apparently being new here, might not realize that--as many newbies are unclear on just what Wikipedia is. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Can the dates on maintenance templates and url access dates be updated?
Is it permitted to uptade dates on maintenance templates? For example, if an article with no sources has a {{Unreferenced}} template on it dated June 2019, could the date be changed to the current month if the article still has no sources. Also, I have the same question about url access dates. Can they be dated to the current date if the url is still live? Cyrobyte (talk) 22:56, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- To your first question, Cyrobyte: this would be pointless. No, it would be worse than pointless: it would deceptively imply that the problem was only recently diagnosed. To your second question: if your examination of the linked page shows that it still states what it is described as stating, then yes. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting! I recently asked about updating the access-date (once here, once on a user or article talk page), both times, I got the answer I felt was wrong, which gives me a sense that my opinion might be relevant! Here are my points:
- Standard citation styles call for specifying an access date, so the rules called for by the various citation styles ought to carry some weight.
- It would an understatement to describe it as "fairly annoying" if editors actually updated the access-date whenever they checked a cited source.
- My view is that the access date ought to be updated whenever the "effective url" is modified, e.g.url or archive-url is modified, depending on the setting of url-status, or if url-status is modified to affect which url is used as the item link.
- Abiding by this behavior can be very helpful if someone is trying to find the edit which modified the url, which can be quite useful for somebody looking to determine what the link used to be, in order to repair a broken link.
- Fabrickator (talk) 12:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Harry Kirby McClintock
I made an error and want to delete my last two edits and reinstall the page before my last two edits. Mac KFRC (talk) 23:14, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Mac KFRC. I have reverted your two most recent edits. Cullen328 (talk) 23:29, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Undo at mobile
Is there undo button for mobile users, its often hard to revert ip edits. OnlyFixingProse (talk) 23:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Great question! Thank for your contributions. Yes there is an undo button when using a mobile device. However, it appears when you change the Wikipedia settings at the bottom of your screen from mobile to desktop mode. After that, you may also change your smartphone's orientation from portrait to landscape for a better view. Happy editing Volten001 ☎ 05:17, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Still doesnt work. OnlyFixingProse (talk) 05:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @OnlyFixingProse can you link to a specific article where this doesn't work? Some articles cannot be edited by anyone, for example WP:ECP articles. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:59, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Still doesnt work. OnlyFixingProse (talk) 05:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Complete rewrite of history with company rebrand
The site on the Icelandic pharmaceutical company Actavis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actavis) does not reflect the history of Actavis at all. In fact it is the history of an entirely different company that acquired Actavis in 2012 and took up its name.
How does this make any fucking sense??? 194.105.229.105 (talk) 01:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- The place to ask how any part of an article makes any fucking sense is that article's talk page; in this case, Talk:Actavis. Tips: (1) Write plain "sense" rather than "fucking sense" (you know, winning friends and influencing people and all that). (2) A single question mark suffices. -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Inspection of the article's revision history shows that it was enlarged by around 180% in January 2013, presumably as a result of the acquisition, by a single user who remained active as an editor on it up to 2015.
- The user (singular?) in question has a username suggestive of a link with the subject, has been discussed as possibly having a Conflict of Interest, has only ever edited this article and one other that now redirects to it, and has never activated their userpage or responded on their User talk page. The history of the originally Icelandic Actavis prior to 2012 has evidently been elided in this process, as I suspect has some of the history of the several other acquired/merged companies involved, though they may not all have had articles. This is less than satisfactory, but would pose a considerable research task to unravel and optimise. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 03:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Good Article
Can anyone please review article Mammootty for Good Article. He is in Indian cinema for past 50 years. Still no one has nominated it for GA. I have nominated it and contacted some Admins but says they are not in a time for it as it required more time. Could anyone please helpPaavamjinn (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Talk page of the article states that you have nominated it yesterday. In time, a GA reviewer will start the process. Administrators are not GA reviewers. David notMD (talk) 04:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Paavamjinn. I am an administrator and took a quick look at the article and, in my opinion, it is very well developed and looks pretty good. I will not participate in the GA review because I am not fully informed about which sources are considered reliable or unreliable for the Indian film industry. I notice that the article has 62 references. If all of those references are solid and reliable, then that is a good thing. But if some are weak, I encourage you to remove the weak ones and keep the best of them. It is much better to have 40 rock solid references than 62 references, if 35% of them are mediocre. As for the comment by David notMD, I disagree. Any administrator or other good faith editor can participate in GA reviews if they so choose, unless they have a conflict of interest. The guideline says
The nomination may be reviewed by any registered user who has not contributed significantly to the article and is not the nominator.
That certainly includes administrators. Cullen328 (talk) 06:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)- I did not express myself clearly. You wrote that you had contacted some Admins. Admins CAN be GA reviewers, but are out-numbered by a larger number of editors who choose to be GA reviewers. Same applies to editors who review drafts under consideration to become articles. Soliciting Admins at random is unlikely to get a nomination reviewed. Secondly, while not a requirement, people who nominate an article for GA frequently first make many edits to the article in question, to bring it to GA quality. I saw that you nominated Mammootty without having made any edits. You have been editing Mammootty filmography, which is distinct from the article about him. David notMD (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- David notMD I didn't edited on the article Mammootty because I gone through that article and I thought that article don't need any much edits. So that I didn't make any edits. I thought according to the suggestions of Reviewer I will make edits.
- Cullen328 Can you please suggest anu reviewer for this articlePaavamjinn (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- I did not express myself clearly. You wrote that you had contacted some Admins. Admins CAN be GA reviewers, but are out-numbered by a larger number of editors who choose to be GA reviewers. Same applies to editors who review drafts under consideration to become articles. Soliciting Admins at random is unlikely to get a nomination reviewed. Secondly, while not a requirement, people who nominate an article for GA frequently first make many edits to the article in question, to bring it to GA quality. I saw that you nominated Mammootty without having made any edits. You have been editing Mammootty filmography, which is distinct from the article about him. David notMD (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Paavamjinn. I am an administrator and took a quick look at the article and, in my opinion, it is very well developed and looks pretty good. I will not participate in the GA review because I am not fully informed about which sources are considered reliable or unreliable for the Indian film industry. I notice that the article has 62 references. If all of those references are solid and reliable, then that is a good thing. But if some are weak, I encourage you to remove the weak ones and keep the best of them. It is much better to have 40 rock solid references than 62 references, if 35% of them are mediocre. As for the comment by David notMD, I disagree. Any administrator or other good faith editor can participate in GA reviews if they so choose, unless they have a conflict of interest. The guideline says
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 's page does not mention the Genocide he comitted on Armenians although you do have a separate page on the Armenian Genocide.
Hello, i notticed that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 's wikipedia page didn't mention his responsability in the Armenian Genocide annd i think that should be fixed.
genocidal dictator's page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk Armenian Genocide page : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9nocide_arm%C3%A9nien 90.3.59.81 (talk) 02:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Kemal Atatürk 's wikipedia page didn't mention his responsability in the Armenian Genocide
Hello, we notticed that Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 's wikipedia page didn't mention his responsability in the Armenian GenocideThat should be fixed.
genocidal dictator's page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk Armenian Genocide page : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9nocide_arm%C3%A9nien 90.3.59.81 (talk) 02:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- We cannot help with fr.wp, and I would strongly advise you to not get involved in this topic on the English-language Wikipedia because of its status as an ethnopolitical hellhole. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 02:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Also, another thing: you DON'T need to post this twice within the space of 15 minutes, IP user. Be patient, and someone will eventually get to your question – we're humans with lives and time constraints, not bots.
- Minor pet peeve of mine: please use correct spelling and grammar. Cheers :) — MeasureWell (talk) 02:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Turkish genocide against the Armenians took place between 1915 and 1917, and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk came to power in 1923. He was a lieutenant colonel during the repression of the Armenians, did not participate and later criticized what happened. How can he possibly be held responsible for events during the chaos of World War I, six plus years before he came to power? Cullen328 (talk) 04:37, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Example texts of languages
Hi everyone, I just have a quick question regarding the example texts (often under the "Example text" or "Samples" section) on Wikipedia pages about languages. Is there any official policy or standard regarding the selection of certain texts as examples? I'm not actually planning to edit any of those articles — just curious :)
– MeasureWell (talk) 02:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, MeasureWell, that is an excellent question. Personally, I only speak American English fluently, and have little difficulty understanding the British, Irish, Canadian, Australian and New Zealander varieties. I know only a smattering of words and phrases in a few other languages. I suggest that you take an in depth look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages. You may be able to find some active editors there, although the membership lists of many Wikiprojects have a lot of inactive or retired editors. Cullen328 (talk) 04:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
IS an ethnic group or ARE an ethnic group in peoples articles ?
I see the sentence "ABC people are an ethnic group ..." in many articles about Asian peoples: Khmer people, Thai people, Lao people, Vietnamese people, Malays (ethnic group), for example. But the ethnic group itself declared that "An ethnic group or an ethnicity is a grouping of people ..."
Is there any existing rule for this problem ? Leemyongpak (talk) 07:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- In English, where a verb agrees (and perhaps with a single exception, but if so then an exception that isn't relevant here), it agrees with its subject. Thus in "The Hmong people are an ethnic group [etc]", "are" agrees not with "an ethnic group" (the predicative complement) but instead with "the Hmong people" (the subject). Now, is "people" (head of the noun phrase "the Hmong people") grammatically singular or plural? "People" is an odd word; it can be either. In a sentence such as this I'd take it not to be the singular form of a word whose plural form is "peoples", but instead the commoner (and suppletive) plural form of "person". And that's why I'd write "are" here and not "is". -- Hoary (talk) 07:59, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- It looks strange for me: A are an B, B is a C. But if it is a confirmed rule then I just follow it. Leemyongpak (talk) 08:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is also an issue of varieties of English: in British English, it is common for words denoting collectives to be treated as plural, even when the word appears to be singular (see English plurals#Singulars with collective meaning treated as plural). Where a subject has no particular connection with one or other English-speaking country, our policy says that any variaty of English may be used, and should be maintained consistently throughout the article (see WP:ENGVAR). ColinFine (talk) 10:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- It looks strange for me: A are an B, B is a C. But if it is a confirmed rule then I just follow it. Leemyongpak (talk) 08:31, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Leemyongpak, diamonds [plural] are a girl's best friend [singular]. -- Hoary (talk) 13:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- It will be a perfect example if you can provide the remain: A girl's best friend is a(n) _ _ _ Leemyongpak (talk) 14:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Leemyongpak, diamonds [plural] are a girl's best friend [singular]. -- Hoary (talk) 13:04, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
First time trying to publish an article; was wondering how I can check on its progress within the submission pool
Hi, I publish an article about a notable psychologist from my sandbox and don't know how I can check if it's in line to be reviewed and published etc. Was wondering if anyone can help me with that or show me a way I can check or contact Wikipedia reviewers about it. Even an average/estimated timeline for most articles would be nice to know. Thanks everyone!
Don't know if you can view it through another account but I'll drop the link below if anyone's interested in helping me make it better for reviewing!
User:Assist prof inter/sandbox Assist prof inter (talk) 07:55, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Assist prof inter, there is no progress, and there won't be until you click on "Submit the draft for review!" (which is rather conspicuous, I think). Once you've done that, you wait. -- Hoary (talk) 08:02, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- But please don't submit it, Assist prof inter, because it has only one reference that appears to be independent of its subject; and that single reference is Newsmax, which fails to cut the mustard for Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 08:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Now at Draft:Bruce Mansbridge. David notMD (talk) 10:11, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- There are currently more than 3,000 drafts waiting for review. The system is not a queue. Reviewers select what they want to review next. Thus, can be days, weeks, or (sadly) months before a draft is reviewed. Quality improves the likelihood of a faster review. Comply with the Comments left at the draft. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello User:Assist prof inter, first things first, you cannot just write an article in your sandbox or as a draft and wait for it to be published, it needs to be submitted for review, there is no progress and it can take up to months to be reviewed, even then your article may not get published if it does not live up with WP's strict standards e.g WP:NOTABILITY or WP:RS, the last one is paramount since WP essentially revolves around these reliable sources, none or too little and the article cannot/will not be published, if you really have an itch to write an article maybe go over to the simple english wikipedia and write a simplified version of an article from here using the same WP:RS.
- Before i found my place on WP i tried writing a few articles and none of them got anywhere, both of the subjects were real (one was about something called kenopsia and the other about a common fault in a certain model of camera) but both were lacking WP:RS - things like forum posts, blog posts and personal experience especially just cannot cut it.
- OGWFP (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft
[7] I need help on improving this draft. Vortex (talk) 08:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Get rid of the Signpost citation. We don't tolerate circular referencing unless the article is, strictly speaking, about something on Wikipedia proper. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 09:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Draft:Lena (short story). The website of the author of this self-published story is cited (the link is to the story). This does not contribute to notability. The first ref (behind a paywall) appears to be a review of another author's work of fiction about mind download. David notMD (talk) 10:17, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Block advice, non-constructive edits on page of living person
I have reverted nonconstructive edits of an ip user with reference to a living person Justin Harrison multiple times today. Any idea where I can request a block for this ip user? Carver1889 (talk) 11:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Carver1889! that would be Administrator intervention against vandalism. if they have accumulated four warnings including a final warning, you can report them there, or use Twinkle or RedWarn to automate the process. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 11:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- ...since they haven't yet, I'm warning them with a fourth warning after the mess in Justin Harrison. any further infractions and they can be reverted to AIV. 💜 melecie talk - 11:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Melecie Thanks, now reported to AIV via Twinkle as same page vandalised again. Twinkle seemed ok to use, should have set it up sooner! Is there an advantage to RedWarn over Twinkle, or is it just a personal preference thing? (sorry, going a bit off topic)
- Carver1889 (talk) 11:45, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Carver1889: best to have both! RedWarn is good in reverting and reporting, and Twinkle does other stuff like tagging pages for maintenance or CSD. currently I'm using Ultraviolet to get a feel for how it works, although there is absolutely no reason for using UV over RW right now other than beta testing (they're basically the same tool, except UV lacks many of the non-core features RW has and is in beta). happy reverting! 💜 melecie talk - 11:57, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- ...since they haven't yet, I'm warning them with a fourth warning after the mess in Justin Harrison. any further infractions and they can be reverted to AIV. 💜 melecie talk - 11:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Sri Lankans
Hello, I would like to have some assistance with the help of the new article im making which is: Draft:Sri Lankans.
The History and other categories would be long and the page would be huge just the same as compared with The Filipinos and The Bangladeshis articles.
Is there anyone here that would like to help out? thank you TheCeylon24 (talk) 11:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Presumably, much of the history is already covered at History of Sri Lanka, and some of the information at Sinhalese people might also be apposite. If your topic indeed merits an article separate from those articles, a judicious use of the {{Main}} template with short summaries might help you keep the article's length under control. Deor (talk) 14:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TheCeylon24 Welcome to the Teahouse (Ceylon tea and many other varieties are all served here!). Rather than here (which is a plce where we help people with editing difficulties), you might be better off explaining your plans for a new article at WP:WikiProject Sri Lanka and seeking input from editors there. You may be aware there is already a redirect from Sri Lankan people to Demographics of Sri Lanka, so you may need to consider whether expanding an existing article, or creating a new one with different coverage is the most appropriate way forward. Again, editors at WikiProject Sri Lanka would be the best ones to advise you. I hope you find this comment helpful. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Megastar vs superstar difference
can you explain the difference between megastar vs superstar? Like Rajinikanth is superstar and Chiranjeevi is megastar 2409:4060:2E9E:96F6:0:0:324A:80C (talk) 12:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- They're just successive attempts to fan interest. When "megastar" becomes commonplace, we'll have "gigastar", etc. Try "star", or (better) "actor" or "musician" or whatever. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- In your examples, upper case "Super Star" and "Megastar" are apparently nicknames for those specific people. If you just want to be a "star" then make porn where everybody appears to be "porn stars". PrimeHunter (talk) 15:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Confusion over my first article draft, Help! 🤣
Hi hi! I've made my first article on this link, after submitted, it got declined due to references and articles problem. I've made some changes on these, also put some more details that might demonstrates WP:PERSON for a living person biography. Please feel free to comment on the draft and mention specifically which part should I edit more for this. It's confusing for a beginner, the category template also didn't work. Thank you very much for the help! Sarah Arifin (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- I believe that your photograph of her work is a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Md shakib khan
ভোটার তথ্য 103.154.160.6 (talk) 13:48, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! are you looking for the voter information of Shakib Khan? 💜 melecie talk - 14:01, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Searching for Wikipedians interested in articles about decision-making
Good evening from where I am! I recently published the article Quaker decision-making. Now, I'm writing a draft of another decision-making framework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Douginamug/Draft:Systemic_Consensus The general topic of decision-making greatly interests me, and I would like to contribute more, writing unwritten articles and improving existing ones. I would really like to find other wikipedians who are similarly interested - how might I best do that aside from simply 'going ahead'? I had a look through the Wikipedia Projects, and nothing jumps out at me. DougInAMugtalk 17:39, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Douginamug welcome to Teahouse! I think WP:ANARCHISM would be a helpful page, given the knowledge of various consensus/decision making topics. I see it was published already, in the future you can link to it with User:Douginamug/Draft:Systemic Consensus. I had a look at some of the WikiProjects for Consensus article which you can find at Talk:Consensus decision-making as well. Happy editing and congrats on your new article (still awaiting review) ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Wrong information on my Bio
Hello, There is a Bio about me on Wikipedia that is wrong. I tried correcting the information by editing it but @TornadoLGS refuted the edits due to conflict of interest. How can I find someone who can edit my Bio according to the correct information on www.timaderyan.com ? If the information cannot be edited, how can I remove the page off Wikipedia? Gipsy2022 (talk) 19:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC) Here is the page with the wrong information: [[8]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gipsy2022 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Gipsy2022: Place a note on the article's talk page with the changes you want made, along with a citation to a reliable source. Then add {{Edit request}} and another editor will take a look at it. There is a backlog for requests like this, so you'll need to be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 19:18, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Gipsy2022: Hello! I don't think you quite understand the purpose of Wikipedia. As long as information is supported by reliable and independent sources, it can and will stay. You do not own the article about you, nor can you exclusively control it. If you have actual changes to make that are supported by independent sources (not your own website), then you can make an edit request on the article's talk page. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 19:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Except from some very simple information, your website is not a valid reference. You removed referenced content and added content without references. Per above, you are limited to making very specific edit requests on the Talk page, so that another editor can consider accepting or declining. David notMD (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Bsoyka: I don't feel like the OP's question is about understanding the purpose of Wikipedia. And anyway, you make it sound like the "purpose" of Wikipedia necessarily makes it all-powerful and all-knowing--infallible and beyond correction or criticism. Someone comes to Wikipedia, finds an article about himself or herself, almost certainly didn't authorize it, finds things in it that s/he feels are just plain wrong. One doesn't think then about the "purpose" of Wikipedia; one thinks, what can s/he do about this. Well, while I don't know the details, I understand that there are things one can do. First, as a matter of policy, Wikipedia does try to respect privacy. Second, I understand there are provisions for people written about in Wikipedia to raise objections. And finally, (I don't know the person who raised all this, so I have no idea of his/her notability), I recently read that for a person of marginal or questionable notability, Wikipedia will consider removing an article, if that person doesn't want it. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for bringing that up AzseicsoK. I think a lot of times we forget that aspect of Wikipedia. We are an online encyclopedia and we will come into contact with the subjects of some of our articles. It doesn't change the fact that Wikipedia can not use the subjects personal website as a source for potentially controversial information. What is commonly misunderstood though is that we can use primary sources for biographical information that wouldn't be controversial. However, I think that we can do more to assist this person than shrugging off their concerns with a seemingly non-empathetic answer. Injecting just a little empathy can go a long way. Gipsy2022, can you go to the article talk page here and tell us what you think should be removed and why? Also include any information you think should be added. I know this is going to sound weird but please try to understand. We need you to include sources that are not you or have any affiliation with you for any information you think needs to be added. --ARoseWolf 13:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Bsoyka: I don't feel like the OP's question is about understanding the purpose of Wikipedia. And anyway, you make it sound like the "purpose" of Wikipedia necessarily makes it all-powerful and all-knowing--infallible and beyond correction or criticism. Someone comes to Wikipedia, finds an article about himself or herself, almost certainly didn't authorize it, finds things in it that s/he feels are just plain wrong. One doesn't think then about the "purpose" of Wikipedia; one thinks, what can s/he do about this. Well, while I don't know the details, I understand that there are things one can do. First, as a matter of policy, Wikipedia does try to respect privacy. Second, I understand there are provisions for people written about in Wikipedia to raise objections. And finally, (I don't know the person who raised all this, so I have no idea of his/her notability), I recently read that for a person of marginal or questionable notability, Wikipedia will consider removing an article, if that person doesn't want it. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Except from some very simple information, your website is not a valid reference. You removed referenced content and added content without references. Per above, you are limited to making very specific edit requests on the Talk page, so that another editor can consider accepting or declining. David notMD (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Assistance in article approval
Hello, I am writing an article on a wrestler that I have seen in Louisville, KY. A few of his co-workers have pages, and I am a fan so thought I should make one for him. I gathered many cites, and edited the page properly. Whereas, the first time I did not. I would like someone to review my work, I submitted it for review but would like to get any advice! Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andreas_John_Ziegler_%22AJZ%22 WrestlingNewsReport (talk) 19:21, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @WrestlingNewsReport welcome to Teahouse! This place is not for seeking editors. I see you got feedback already on the draft, and why it was rejected. It has a lot of references, however most of them are WP:PRIMARY sources and not in depth WP:SECONDARY sources to establish WP:NOTABILITY. PS You can link to draft simply with Draft:Andreas John Ziegler "AJZ" instead of pasting the entire URL in the future. Hope this helps and happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:50, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- A point that Shushugah got wrong - your draft Draft:Andreas John Ziegler "AJZ" was Declined, not Rejected. The other point made - need for secondary references - is valid. David notMD (talk) 22:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Alignment of Userboxes
Hello! I recently added a few userboxes to my userpage, however i need help formatting them, i would want them on top of one another instead of abreast/side-to-side like they are now, i have tried adding paragraphs between them and even if it looks it in the visual editor it for some reason doesn't work when i publish, is there actually a way of formatting them like this? also is it ok to have subpages of my main userpage?
Sincerely OGWFP (talk) 20:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello OGWFP and welcome to the Teahouse.
- There are a lot of tools you can use with userboxes, but what often works best is to look at the source code for a page that has the sort of layout you want and steal it. For instance, if you look at the source of WP:Userbox you can see how the stack of userboxes is made with a wikitable styled with
style="float:right
. The default coding for these boxes is designed to make a page-width block of them. Wrestling them into a different style just takes a little extra effort. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 21:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)- hi OGWFP! you could also align your userboxes using {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}}. for larger userbox collections, you can use a table to display them. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 23:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, i actually never thought of using a table to align them or copying others source code.
- Sincerely OGWFP (talk) 15:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Commerce section
I want to add a "commerce" section to my hometown page, however, I don't really see a precedence for it on any other city pages. I also don't want it to get flagged for advertising or something similar. My intent is to add names of businesses or services available in the town. Especially those that relate to the history of the town. For example, lumber is a main industry and there is one lumber mill left and it supports much of the town population. Additionally, items like gas station information would be helpful for travelers. Finally there is a landmark or point of interest similar in notoriety to the Mothman museum that would be an ideal addition to the page. Can someone provide some direction on if and what I can add in this category? Or what I should name the section? Thank you! VKDuran (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- VKDuran Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles about towns/cities are not intended as travel guides or business directories. If you were going to list businesses in a town's article, it should only be those that merit articles themselves, and most do not. Wikipedia articles exist to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello VKDuran, thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia. Even though you probably know a great deal about your hometown you can only add information that can be cited with a reliable reference, for people reading your additions won't know if what you have been told is correct, unless there's a way to verify it. You may find it helpful to read: Your first article since it has good information that can be used when adding to an article, especially the section on references.
- Has there been local history books published that tell about your hometown, or newspaper articles about it's founding or early days? If you can find published information about your town's lumber industry, you can add a "Lumber industry" or "Early industry" section, making sure to add references for what you write about. A couple of sentences (with a properly formatted citation / reference) will be a useful addition. But unless there was a particular company that was known outside of your local area, it wouldn't be notable enough to have a great deal of information written about it. Best wishes on your Wikipedia adventures. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @VKDuran, information like "gas station information" is impossible to keep current over the years, especially if you imagine info like that in thousands of articles, with WP editors sometimes retiring. A web search engine is a much better resource for travelers. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- VKDuran See Maynard, Massachusetts for an example of how a one-industry town (wool) has that information incorporated into a History section, and has a Sites of interest section. Many town articles also have a Notable people section. See Acton, Massachusetts as example. David notMD (talk) 06:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Remove redirect for a new article
I am not sure how this should work -- there is a redirect page here for the actor Joe Locke that I want to remove as there is a Draft article here that is ready to move to article space and take the place of the redirect. What is the correct way to do this, or can somebody help with this? Thank you. FULBERT (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @FULBERT welcome to teahouse! Because of the existing redirect, you will need to make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. I hope this helps! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:08, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
User page blank, as a re-direct to talk page
Hi everyone. I was curious as to your thoughts regarding why some people might wish to make their user pages blank, and on top of that, make it a re-direct to their talk page? I have a pretty simple and straightforward user page, but sometimes it seems to have angered people to be "too happy" it would seem. I use a lot of hearts and smileys. What can I say, I ♥ them! Regardless, was just curious as to how to technically go about this as well? I am not yet good with making re-directs, and I assume that is how I would go about making this work? Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 22:16, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Th78blue welcome to teahouse! From a technical point of view, they're like any other redirect page. You'd replace the entire text of your User page with
#REDIRECT [[User talk:Th78blue]]
. See WP:REDIRECT for more about redirects, and WP:USERPAGE for more about policies of user pages. I personally prefer to keep both a talk and user page. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)- Thanks for that! If I ever wanted to undo that, how would I go about that? Short of reverting my edit of course. I was curious because now I cannot click "Edit source" on my user page, because it re-directs me of course! I think this is a lot cleaner personally to just have one page for everything. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 23:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Th78blue after getting redirected, if you scroll to top of page you'll see a notice with "Redirected from ..." which is a link that is similar to the original url, with the addition of `&redirect=no` or in your case that would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Th78blue&redirect=no which is where you can see the original edit history, revert etc.. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:30, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! If I ever wanted to undo that, how would I go about that? Short of reverting my edit of course. I was curious because now I cannot click "Edit source" on my user page, because it re-directs me of course! I think this is a lot cleaner personally to just have one page for everything. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 23:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Th78blue! some people opt to do this since most people usually would want to go to their talk page for discussion and/or because they don't see the need for their userpage. as a little sidenote, we're in the same boat of using hearts way too much! I don't use them as much in wp compared to other places in the internet, but I keep a purple heart locked in my signature for this. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 23:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
request to publish an article on wikipedia.
Dear editor, this is with reference to my article created in the name of A S Kabir for the publish on Wikipedia as article. this is submitted for kind review and approval.
Regards!
Tehrir Tehrir (talk) 23:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tehrir: Welcome to the Teahouse! You've submitted the draft, so all that's left to do now is wait. Someone will come along and review the draft eventually, but this could take some time as there are (currently) 3,065 submissions waiting for review. Bsoyka (talk) 23:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:A S Kabir 💜 melecie talk - 23:14, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
my wiki article got deleted after years of being on wiki. im looking for help to get it back up.
search for laptopmd and u see it. Arthur Zilberman (talk) 23:15, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Courtesy link: LaptopMD@Arthurlmd: Welcome to the Teahouse! The article was removed after a deletion discussion because it was considered too promotional and did not appear to be notable at the time.However, if you'd like to create it from scratch and start again, have a look at H:YFA, but be absolutely sure to follow the policies surrounding paid contributions as you are affiliated with the company. Failure to do so violates the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use, so this is a big thing to keep in mind.Let us know if you have any further questions. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 23:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- can i get help? im ok to compensate if reasonable .. Arthur Zilberman (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Arthurlmd. I strongly recommend against using a paid Wikipedia editing service. Most of these outfits are scams and they simply cannot assure that the article will not be deleted again. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies carefully, because any attempt to recreate this article must fully comply with that guideline. Also read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. As the founder of the company, you must make that disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable. Cullen328 (talk) 00:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- thank you , so what do i do ? we are real company and im a real person. 3 locations and 0o employees, we are mentioned on all New York city tv stations (NOT PAID). cnn, wall street journal, MSN, NBC, Inc, etc..etc.. nothing is paid for, they all come to us because of what we do . google my name, google our company name.. its all there . Arthur Zilberman (talk) 21:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Arthurlmd. I strongly recommend against using a paid Wikipedia editing service. Most of these outfits are scams and they simply cannot assure that the article will not be deleted again. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies carefully, because any attempt to recreate this article must fully comply with that guideline. Also read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. As the founder of the company, you must make that disclosure. This is mandatory and non-negotiable. Cullen328 (talk) 00:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- can i get help? im ok to compensate if reasonable .. Arthur Zilberman (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
aircraft photos
I am writing a book about aviation. You have about 8 photographs that I would like to use, providing credit to Wikipedia. I am prepared to make a donation in return to Wikipedia. Is this something that could be done ? 2600:1700:C71:3830:2473:FD8B:1AFA:CA41 (talk) 23:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi IP 2600:1700:C71:3830:2473:FD8B:1AFA:CA41. The photos you see used in various Wikipedia articles aren't really "owned" by Wikipedia in the sense that Wikipedia is the orginal copyright holder: so, getting permission from Wikipedia or donating to Wikipedia will not make OK for you to use, and you may actually need to contact copyright holders directly if you want to reuse their content in some cases. Each file (e.g. photo) has an associated file page and clicking on a photo should take you to its file page. On the file page, there should be information as to how the file is licensed and also about its provenance. Whether you can re-use a photo largely depends on how it's been licensed; furthermore, not all the photos you see have been uploaded to directly to Wikipedia (many if not most are uploaded to Wikpedia's sister project Wikipedia Commons). Most of the copyright licenses provide some brief information on the terms that must be followed in order to reuse a file uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons, but you can find out more information at c:Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia and Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think that is fair to say that the vast majority of photos of aircraft that you see on Wikipedia are in one of two categories: First and this is the most common, the photos are freely licensed in a way that allows re-use with the only requirement being attribution. The second category is photos that are in the public domain, and therefore free of copyright restrictions. This includes photos first published over 95 years ago, and photos taken by employees of the U.S. federal government while on the job, and a variety of other cases. Public domain photos have no restrictions although it is ethical to credit the photographer if known. There may be a few non-free photos of aircraft that have copyright restrictions but they should be rare. Click on any photo on Wikipedia and then click the blue "More details" button. This will lead to information about the copyright status of that specific photo and, in many cases, the option to download a higher resolution version of the photo. Cullen328 (talk) 00:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Url with spaces
I have an url at Foreign relations of the Dominican Republic (ref 3) which has spaces in it and therefore messes up the reference. Now the link works which I guess is the most important part but it just looks amateurish. I tried changing the encoding per Template:Cite web but couldn't make it work so if any of you could take a look, I would appreciate it. Thanks. --Semsûrî (talk) 08:14, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Semsûrî! You are correct in that it is the spaces within the original URL causing the error message to display after that reference. To fix it just place %20 where the spaces occur like http://enlacecongreso.mirex.gob.do/ecc/Lists/Establecimiento%20de%20Relaciones%20Diplomticas/AllItems.aspx. You'll note that the second working archived URL you used is in that format & thus is working fine. Those %20 normally get inserted when you copy a URL with spaces in, perhaps got left out when copy/pasting somehow. I do notice that some other references on that page are throwing error messages when the page is edited but those are unrelated to that one. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 08:53, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Semsûrî Welcome to Teahouse! If you look at the archived url, you'll notice that the spaces were replaced with
%20
which is an example of Percent-encoding. I went ahead and fixed the dead url. I hope I understood your question correctly. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)- @LooksGreatInATurtleNeck:@Shushugah: Thank you to both of you for replying. Next time hopefully I'll be able to do it myself. Cheers! --Semsûrî (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed user
I have now 438 edits and it's past 30 days since my account was created. So, how many more edits do I need to become an extended-confirmed user? I am Rjsb0192 (talk) 09:38, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi I am Rjsb0192 and welcome to the teahouse! extended-confirmed requires 500 edits and 30 days, so only 62 more. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 09:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
A short utterance
BANEI123456 49.149.74.122 (talk) 10:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Filmography: English or German Titles
Hello, I have a question about the film titles in the filmography of Draft:Philipp Hochmair. Most of the titles are in the original German. Is it better to translate the titles?
If there is no link, I also write the German titles?
Thanks for the support. Emmy1707 (talk) 10:14, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is what you need Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(films)#Foreign-language_films - X201 (talk) 10:22, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Article for review to resubmit: opinion of editors
I want to get my article approved on Wikipedia. I have edited it again after first review. I need help to ascertain if the sources/ references are credible enough and whether this article will pass the review. The link to article is here. Draft:Emmanuel Sikora Ifra86 (talk) 11:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ifra86, which three of the sources cited, in your opinion, do most to establish that Sikora is notable? Maproom (talk) 12:30, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ifra86, I don't understand the second sentence, He is widely recognized as the classical opera composer as resident of Cortland, New York. -- Hoary (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Content Model Modification
Hello, I would like to ask for help regarding the method to change my user stylesheet's content type from “CSS” to “Sanitized CSS”. I understand this request maybe should be posted to WP:ANI, but the edit notice said only chronic, urgent, and intractable problems are welcome there, so this is the place I guess? Any reply and comment are welcome, thank you!-Taipei NativeComment 12:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @台北人: Such a request should definitely not be posted at WP:ANI, as it has nothing to do with administrators.
- WP:VPT is the better forum on en-Wikipedia (assuming nobody answers on the Teahouse, which seems likely). If it is related to the inner workings of mw:css-sanitizer, maybe somewhere on the MediaWiki pages, but I do not know where. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @台北人: To expand on Tigraan's answer, ANI is for behavioural/conduct issues of other (English) Wikipedia users that require administrator intervention. It is one of the last stops to escalating inter-user conflict, and it's a place where nearly all parties involved don't come out feeling better off than before. The technical village pump is where technical questions are asked, and regulars there are better equipped to help you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
New Article in Limbo after I Fixed Minor Issue
Hello, I submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jenny_Bilfield many months ago. It got reviewed, and one very minor issue was flagged. I fixed that issue. But now THAT is a few months ago. Can someone give it a fresh look and publish? All the best-- Erlovett (talk) 13:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Erlovett: Your draft is waiting for review, so just be patient. Drafts aren't reviewed in any specific order. --The Tips of Apmh 14:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I suspect Nyanardsan's decline was not motivated exclusively by the SoundCloud source, Erlovett, so "one very minor issue was flagged" is not a productive way to look at it.
- However, I do think the decline was incorrectly tagged "no reliable source" when in fact it should be "notability". I have little doubt that this person exists, and that she’s the head of WPA, etc. based on the article sources. But has this person received sufficient attention from external reliable sources to justify a Wikipedia article? None of the few random sources I looked at show that - some are interviews (not independent), others only have a short quote of JB (example - not significant coverage).
- The typical advice in such a case is to suggest your three best sources (read that link to know why). Make sure to read and understand WP:GNG first to select those sources. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 14:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Erlovett I believe you may be a bit confused as to how to address issues referred to when a draft article has been declined. In this post you state "one very minor issue was flagged," but the reason for your article not being accepted is "submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources" and "submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia." There was also one individualized comment made: "Soundcloud is not an acceptable source," and the draft's history shows the only changes made since the February draft decline is removing the Soundcloud reference. While waiting for your next article review you may want to work on making sure there are no references in which Jenny Bilfield is just mentioned amongst many other individuals, and not the main focus of the referenced source, as well as making sure you keep a neutral tone when writing about Bilfield. Best wishes on improving the draft article. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:09, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
page spilt
Can someone give their opinion on Talk:List of highest-grossing non-English films#Box office admissions P+T 92.236.253.249 (talk) 13:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to Teahouse! We do not give advice on content here, however if you want a third opinion I'd recommend asking in the relevant WP:WikiProject Film and or at WP:Third opinion. Hope that helps! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Overtime (Sports Network)
Hello - The draft for Overtime (Sports Network) was denied and said it was written as an advertisement. Everything written in the article was sourced. There was zero opinion added to it. I'm not sure how I would be able to make the draft any better. There are dozens of articles about Overtime in every major publication (NY Times, WSJ, USA Today, Time, ESPN, etc.) Please help!
Thanks Bankrupt305 (talk) 13:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Overtime (sports network). Deor (talk) 14:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Bankrupt305. Your draft has a distinctly promotional tone and must be completely re-written to comply with the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Per Cullen, having sources doesn't mean that the tone of the writing is not inappropriate. The tone reads like a press release and not like an encyclopedia article. --Jayron32 18:06, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
UK By-Elections link to last
I am unsure as to if this is the correct place to ask this question or if it has been answered already, but it seems better than anywhere else.
I think that UK parliamentary by-elections, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Birmingham_Erdington_by-election should have as the link to "last" not as the link to the last general election but instead to the last election for that constituency, for the previous example, that would be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Erdington_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_2010s. Has this already been answered and if not, do people agree or disagree? (Assuming this is the correct place to ask this) 18egr (talk) 17:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @18egr welcome to Teahouse! This is a place to ask for advice on how to edit, not specific content advice. I would raise your question on the talk page of that specific article which you can find at Talk:2022 Birmingham Erdington by-election or at the dedicated WP:WikiProject Elections. I hope that helps. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Question about TIES
Hello Teahouse hosts. I am an experienced editor, but I have a quick question regarding how the WP:TIES policy works for immigrants. Say someone was born and raised in the United Kingdom, but later moved to the United States where they became notable for their work. Should it use dmy dates and British English (based on birthplace) or mdy dates and American English (because that is where they became notable)? Thanks for your time, Link20XX (talk) 17:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Link20XX: Welcome to the Teahouse. You might be able to get more relevant input if you ask over at WT:MOS. In my opinion, I think American style would be better as they're notable there more than they are in the states. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Link20XX Welcome to Teahouse! In general, I would emphasize wherever they are notable, but all that said, if there's no compelling argument for a specific variation then the article creator decides and MOS:RETAIN applies. In short, don't worry too much about it would my simpler answer. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:46, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
How to Change My Username & How long to Post
The username I have is Tzedekassociation and I want to change it to: Tzedek Association with a space. How can I do this. I also want to add another page called Moshe Margaretten. Do I need to create a new account to do this or can I use my existing account to create an additional page?
Once I have created the page - how long will it take to be live? Tzedekassociation (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Tzedekassociation: Welcome to the Teahouse. Since this is your only edit, it's probably fastest to abandon this account and create a new one called Tzedek Association, so long as either of these usernames don't violate the username policy, particularly organisation names as they're considered promotional. If they do, definitely change your username to something else.An account can create multiple pages, though understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and hosts articles, not mere pages. Creating one from scratch is one of the hardest things to do, and I would suggest editing other existing articles to get an understanding of how that works. If you still want to create an article despite that, I strongly recommend you read Your first article before getting started. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm fairly sure "Tzedek Association" would be a violation of the username policy as it would imply the account is used by more than one person. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:30, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, at first glance that seems to be the case, and with a quick Google search there is an actual organisation that goes by that name. That being said, I've known some people that refer to themselves as a group, so this is a "just-in-case". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- See [9]. Rabbi Moshe Margaretten is president of the Tzedek Association. Doug Weller talk 19:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I fear Doug and Blaze are on to something. At the very least both usernames run afoul of username policy. Welcome to the Teahouse, Tzedekassociation. Are you connected with either the association or Rabbi Margaretten in any way? --ARoseWolf 19:30, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- See [9]. Rabbi Moshe Margaretten is president of the Tzedek Association. Doug Weller talk 19:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, at first glance that seems to be the case, and with a quick Google search there is an actual organisation that goes by that name. That being said, I've known some people that refer to themselves as a group, so this is a "just-in-case". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:44, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm fairly sure "Tzedek Association" would be a violation of the username policy as it would imply the account is used by more than one person. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:30, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Help editing Draft:Zayla Partners
Hello Wikipedia geniuses, I am looking for some help editing the a draft I have just created (that got immediately rejected) for Zayla Partners. I also want to ensure that I have taken all of the necessary steps with regards to compliance. I am very new to this and would greatly appreciate the help of an experienced editor! Dariaerzakova (talk) 18:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Dariaerzakova. You have properly disclosed that you are a paid editor. Thanks for that. Personally, I consider it highly unlikely that a company founded in 2022 would be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Your draft only has a single reference dated 2016, and that appears to be a directory listing for a company that the founder was previously associated with. That reference is of no value. Your draft is full of unreferenced content and that violates the core content policy Verifiability Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and Your first article for the required standards. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Adding a Photo to a page and get going guidance
I recently created an account. I have plans on writing a page about Dr Ophelia Inez Weeks .... Daughter of 'Rocheforte Lafayette Weeks' see wiki page. Before I do I wanted to see if I could upload a simple picture of Rocheforte Lafayette Weeks to his page as its from our family Library; however, when I do try it says it cannot ....don't know why something about permissions... We have other photos of him for example when being commissioned by the President as Foreign Minister, or signing of the codification of Liberian laws, meeting of the cardinal etc. but if one was reject all will I expect.
Also just wanted to know,... can I as a brother of Dr. Ophelia Inez Weeks write a page about her. She too followed in my Father's steps as also a President of the University of Liberia, started a program at FIU on Quantitative Biology, first woman to graduate from Howard University Neuroanatomy department etc. ....I was thinking about writing the article in Word and then worrying about how to edit to Wikipedia standards.
Any ideas on the photo issue above and if I can write a page about my Sister as I will interview her soon as I asked her so I could gather some facts for the page
New to this , can you tell ?...very new and have a full time job so time is limited. Rweekacl (talk) 19:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Rweekacl: Welcome to the Teahouse. It depends on who owns the copyright, and if there are current licences that restrict its use (the image use policy has more to say on the matter). If you are Ophelia Weeks' brother, you are strongly discouraged from writing an article (not just a mere page) about her (as you would have a conflict of interest) in the main articlespace. That being said, creating a draft is one of the hardest things to do, and you're better served editing existing articles to get an idea of how Wikipedia articles work. If you are adamant on writing an article about Weeks, I suggest reading Your first article very thoroughly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hello, Rweekacl. You have a Conflict of interest regarding your sister, and should conduct yourself very carefully. Use the Articles for Creation process and disclose your conflict of interest. A photo from your family library is a problem, because in almost all cases, the photographer will be the copyright holder, and therefore the photographer (or their estate if the photographer has died) is the only person who can release the photo under a free license for uploading to Wikimedia Commons. However, because Rocheforte Lafayette Weeks is dead, there is the possibility of uploading a photo here on English Wikipedia under the provisions of Non-free images #10. Cullen328 (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rweekacl Absolutely nothing you obtain via an interview would be useable on Wikipedia. In order for an article’s subject to be considered notable by the Wikipedia community, we require that it receive significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject this is what you base an article on. Theroadislong (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hello, Rweekacl. You have a Conflict of interest regarding your sister, and should conduct yourself very carefully. Use the Articles for Creation process and disclose your conflict of interest. A photo from your family library is a problem, because in almost all cases, the photographer will be the copyright holder, and therefore the photographer (or their estate if the photographer has died) is the only person who can release the photo under a free license for uploading to Wikimedia Commons. However, because Rocheforte Lafayette Weeks is dead, there is the possibility of uploading a photo here on English Wikipedia under the provisions of Non-free images #10. Cullen328 (talk) 20:29, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Is there an expiration on final vandalism warnings?
I recently reported a user (173.198.159.2) for vandalism on the "Administrator intervention against vandalism" page. According to this user's talk page, the user received a final warning on 21 October 2021 and then vandalized again today. Is there a time limit or an expiration date on final warnings? I tried to ask the admin, however a cleaner bot deleted my comment. Sorry, if I'm confused and thanks for any clarification you can offer so I know when to report in the future. Thanks! Wikipedialuva (talk) 19:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Wikipedialuva: Technically the warnings do expire. For me I usually say that if a warning is over a month old, then a fresh set of warnings is due. However if the user (or IP) has many warnings on their userpage, I might think a bit differently. 19:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:58, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification! Wikipedialuva (talk) 19:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Wikipedialuva: Some people might say warnings "expire" a bit sooner, others slightly later. Warnings don't usually expire as something that reflects on the user's behavior. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification! Wikipedialuva (talk) 19:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Does verifiable material that is challenged still have to provide an inline citation?
For example, Lionel Messi has won 7 Ballon D'or titles. If someone decided to challenge that fact and put "Citation needed" at the end of the sentence, is it still necessary to put an inline citation to support the material despite already being an obvious fact? Fijipedia (talk) 23:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Can I sort this table? revisiting standard newbie question #73482
Original question was not clear.
>"Is it ok if I sort the (source) content of this table in an article that I want to work upon?"
>I am confident that this is a well worn consideration but I have not yet learned the rules. I am not sure where to look for applicable policy/discussion/guidance.
>Yes, I have phrased this (over) generally because I also want to learn a little bit about the balance to expect between "for some articles you should do this" and "on wikipedia in general you should do this" and whatever other perspectives that have not yet occured to me.
I am looking for some general community standards/expectations responsive to my question "Do I?".
The following is a scenario that happens from time to time.
I want to contribute to an article.
That article contains a table.
Wikipedia displays that table in some (sorted) order.
The source of that list, within the article, is not sorted.
I want to sort it.
Do I?
Here is a made up example, in case the above is still not sufficient . . .
The table of professional baseball players who have won Nobel prizes can be displayed in name, birthdate, & award date order.
But the source text was added over the course of several edits by different people.
The sequence of edits added:
(edit 1) several entries for a particular baseball team . . .
(edit 12) the contributor's uncle (alphabetically by last name) who was from a different team . . .
(edit 31) (at the begining of the text) the entries for winners of chemistry prizes . . .
(edit 457) (at the bottom) the physics prize winners . . .
(edit 1395) (just after the original baseball team list) the most recent chemistry winner
And now the table _source_ is a mess
That makes it more difficult to avoid duplicate entries, to compare data between entries that are logically adjacent, and so on. Occasionally one even finds duplicate entries.
Now consider that the entries may contain inconsistent, duplicate, and repeated citations.
The previous is made much worse by multiply published references, by inconsistently versioned updated publications, referenced web sites that have gigantic URLs and/or that have multiple pages leading to the same content and/or that have entirely different pages which appear almost the same to everyone but the web server.
Accordingly: I want to sort the table.
Do I?
2601:1C1:C100:9380:0:0:0:E052 (talk) 23:20, 25 April 2022 (UTC) A Nony Mouse