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Additionally, he has a large volume of Google entries and has articles on both the German and French Wikipedias. I am not quite sure why you have issues with his notability, perhaps because he was not so popular in the USA or anglophone nations. I have added further sources for his passing of AIDS in 1990. Let me know if you'd prefer more. [[User:ExRat|ExRat]] ([[User talk:ExRat|talk]]) |
Additionally, he has a large volume of Google entries and has articles on both the German and French Wikipedias. I am not quite sure why you have issues with his notability, perhaps because he was not so popular in the USA or anglophone nations. I have added further sources for his passing of AIDS in 1990. Let me know if you'd prefer more. [[User:ExRat|ExRat]] ([[User talk:ExRat|talk]]) |
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K-L | 47K | 157: (71 + 86) |
M | 35K | 123 |
N-O | 21K | 65: (41 + 24) |
P-Q | 27K | 85: (78 + 7) |
Ra-Rn | 19K | 52 |
Ro-Rz | 20K | 58 |
Sa-Sc | 25K | 66 |
Sd-Si | 21K | 59 |
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Re:Jerry Morton
I'm in the process of giving the article a tidy by updating character information. It just doesn't seem right someone who has made more than enough appearances to be considered a series regular being bundled into the minor and recurring. I'm also trying to find worthwhile Darryl information, so far he's only really been a spare part for David and Jerry's stories.
Conquistador2k6 8 January 2008 18:40 (UTC)
newsletter
Sure can. Going out tonight, tomorrow and tomorrow night, but I will try to find some time to add stuff. Certainly there are some things I asked Jeff to put in that I will do myself. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Me too. I just created a section. I'll try to think of some more. Aleta (Sing) 19:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you all for putting it together this month. I have been busy both on wiki and off working on an icky arbcom case and don't have the patience or stamina to put this together on top of that. Jeffpw (talk) 15:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was wondering if we could mention that I've been working on Willa Cather short stories - although that's not directly LGBT, she was gay and also a lot of her stories have covert lesbian desire. I'm planning to do the same thing with other lesbian authors, and gay authors too.Zigzig20s (talk) 15:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you all for putting it together this month. I have been busy both on wiki and off working on an icky arbcom case and don't have the patience or stamina to put this together on top of that. Jeffpw (talk) 15:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I didn't moan. That was Raystorm trying to give me props. (Much love to Raystorm...). Looks good otherwise. I don't think I have anything to add. I still get calls from Kay Lahusen, who edits Barbara Gittings' article over the phone with me. Last night she told me she and Barbara had been worried because encyclopedias had awful information in them - not enough and inaccurate to boot. She said she was glad that some folks are trying to set it right. --Moni3 (talk) 16:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
- Part of it was the moan / Moni thing I couldn't resist... :) Please feel free to change it or remove it - my silliness should *not* get in the way of a good newsletter! I haven't reviewed this evening, but I think I'll try to get it out tomorrow. Thanks for your help!!!!
- I will allow silliness. I can stand a reputation as a whore or ballbreaker, but not so much as a whiner. So, in my mind, "moaning" will be along the "whore" line... (Here's a tip about how I got my user name) --Moni3 (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ewwwww! You're soaking in it! Benjiboi 16:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- That's Palmolive! Rather, I'm soothing...things... What can I say? Sometimes nicknames stick regardless of how much we like them. --Moni3 (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Well, as a drag queen named Patty Melt used to say ... "It's what's between the buns that counts..." Benjiboi 17:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- That's Palmolive! Rather, I'm soothing...things... What can I say? Sometimes nicknames stick regardless of how much we like them. --Moni3 (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ewwwww! You're soaking in it! Benjiboi 16:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I will allow silliness. I can stand a reputation as a whore or ballbreaker, but not so much as a whiner. So, in my mind, "moaning" will be along the "whore" line... (Here's a tip about how I got my user name) --Moni3 (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Dammit, it's been so long since I have had decent Internet time (mad partying, friend staying, then it crashed, of all times to choose), I've forgotten what I wanted to put in it! I'm thinking FA buddying, Portal news, did I mention anything else to you? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 01:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Um. Newsletter? Oh. Yeah. Without a whip being cracked, things just sorta fall apart <sheepish grin> -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Request for WP:VIET
Hi Satyr. I have lodged a request for your bot to do some Vietnam category tagging. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
- I've replied to your Questions. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm, I hope the bot is feeling healthier soon. It appeared to misfire? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:23, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. The rest of the cats are coming in due time I hope :). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:21, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Doh! Yes - I'll set those up to run tonight! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
I had a couple questions on categories for the bot to run through. Please remember, though, that my knowledge of all things Vietnamese comes solely from the TV, so if I seem ignorant, it's because I am :)
Are at least 80% of the articles in the following categories ones that "belong" to WP:VIETNAM?
- Category:Indochina Wars
- Category:Indochina Wars
- Category:Islands of the South China Sea
- Category:Japanese war crimes
- Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War
- Category:Paris by Night singers
- Category:People of the First Indochina War
- Category:Second Indochina War
- Category:Sino-French War
- Category:Tai history
- Category:Tai peoples
- Category:Third Indochina War
- Category:Unified Buddhist Church Buddhists
Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, thanks for pointing that out. Some of them I wasn't looking carefully enough. Category:Islands of the South China Sea, Category:Japanese war crimes, Category:Naval battles of the Sino-French War, Category:Tai history, Category:Tai peoples need to go. I'll comment them out on the cat list. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ping just in case you didn't pick up this reply. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 23:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- I hope you haven't forgotten the last set. :). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Um. Oops? Doh! And other nonsense words that mean "I forgot!" -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Another thing, can you re-scan Category:Vietnam geography stubs - because I have just created about 200 new ones in the last two days and it would be nice if the bot could add {{WPVN|class=stub}} to them. Saves me time from making 200 new talk pages.....currently making a stub for each of the 663 Districts of Vietnam ... Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Um. Oops? Doh! And other nonsense words that mean "I forgot!" -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, quicker to do the 663 rescans later. But the remaining 80 odd cats can be tagged soon I hope :) Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
USAA
So why did you take out the text about the ability to make deposits from home? It is unique. Do you know of any other bank that let's people deposit checks from home using their scanner? It was in sevearl magazines and newspapers.
Why do you think the fact that USAA is a direct (employees, not agents) company needs to be cited? It is recognized by anybody in the insurance industry. Ever see a USAA agency anywhere? No. There aren't any. No agents. Just employees. Not signed in, but I'm known as the Hill Country Grump... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.24.104.150 (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi! I took out the bit about the ability to make deposits from home because it's not sourced at all. If it's in several magazines and newspapers, let's put a reference in the article. Otherwise it just sounded like an advertisement.
- The same holds true with the other statements - in order to keep the encyclopedia entry on USAA factual and to the point, we should include information that is referenced - that other sources found interesting enough to include in newspapers and articles. Otherwise it's original research. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Ok, I see your point - kind of. It would seem to me that you need to source every single item in every single wiki subject regarding corporations (I checked Navy FCU, B of A, Pentagon FCU). Everything needs to be sourced using your criteria. Just because you didn't see the articles doesn't mean it isn't common knowledge to people that work the target industry (insurance, banking, etc.). By the way it is in Wesabi, Netbanker, Digg, eOpinions, PR NewsWire, Google Finance, San Antonio Express News, San Antonio Biz Journal. So, are you sticking to your criteria?207.155.4.175 (talk) 02:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi! I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Controversial statements *always* need to be sourced. Comments about notability *should* be sourced - and by that I mean any statement like "X is the only..." or "Y is the fastest..." or "Z is the best...". Mundane and easily found information doesn't necessarily need to be sourced - like "headquarters are located in..." or "Mr. Somebody is CEO". You might want to read Wikipedia:No Original Research about what needs to be sourced and why.
- Hope that helps! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Luhan, etc.
Darling sorry if I offended u, I am a little cranky as a result of too much work. Please don't think I was attacking u - the way I see it, I was being queeny and queer - I mean both terms in their theoretical senses. I think u do a great job overall. The trouble with Lillian Faderman's book might be that it is an essentialist study for the most part (it's lesbian criticism rather than theory). But anyway, that person was a bisexual according to a phd'd published historian. And this is no inference of hers as she is taking the info from the person's very own memoirs apparently. Kiss and make up? I was just mad because I'm trying to disrupt the politics of silence surrounding the LGBT "community", and ur deleting the info I'd added seemed to reinforce that silence.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Goody good. Google is limited, there is no access to her book on GoogleBooks for instance [1]. As you said for Pierre André de Suffren de Saint Tropez, there is such a thing as a library...I would recommend reading Faderman's book, it's really quite comprehensive and fun to read.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right to throw that back at me! :)
- The book is searchable on Google - just not readable. Try that link and type in "luhan" - you'll see what I mean. 'scuse me now - I have to run to the library before it closes :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Do you mean like this [2]? There is not even a snippet preview...Anyway I've added the exact quote on the talkpage - it comes at the end of a paragraph on her influence on Greenwich Village. I'm gonna have to return the book so I can take out new ones though. BTW I don't like the references/notes layout - is that recommended, or can I change it for inserted footnotes? I hope I can, it would make things much clearer imo.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:37, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
SatyrBot
Anyway you can have your bot run though Category:WikiProject Mississippi and go to every cat's talk page listed there and wipe out the WikiProject Mississippi tag and replace it with {{WikiProject Mississippi|class=Cat}}? I've just realized I've been using the wrong cat tag and it will take me forever to go back and redo all of those. ALLSTARecho 08:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- See if that works? I've changed the banner rather than sicking (sp?) the bot on it. I *can* put the bot on it, but if this works, it's easier :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Isn't Category:Category-Class Mississippi pages what you wanted to have done? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Every article listed at Category:WikiProject Mississippi needs to be moved to Category:Category-Class Mississippi pages. The only reason they are in Category:WikiProject Mississippi is because I used {{WikiProject Mississippi category}} which I shouldn't have been using but instead should have been using {{WikiProject Mississippi}} with the class set as Cat. ALLSTARecho 17:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Isn't Category:Category-Class Mississippi pages what you wanted to have done? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I totally understand what you're saying. And the change I made will accomplish exactly that. Because it's a template change, it's going to take a little time to work itself out, but you can see that it's going to work by:
- Go to Category:WikiProject_Mississippi
- Pick one of the category talk pages listed and click on it
- You'll notice that the page is *not* in Category:WikiProject_Mississippi but rather is in Category:Category-Class Mississippi pages.
Several hours later and all those articles are still listed in Category:WikiProject Mississippi. So anything else I need to do? Thanks! :] ALLSTARecho 02:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Excellent. As always, you know how to fix things. Thank you! :] ALLSTARecho 17:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Check new articles for mistakes
- Berlin Victory Column (magazine) —Preceding unsigned comment added by GLGermann (talk • contribs) 20:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Karin Wolff
- Michael Bochow
- Georg Uecker
- Heinrich Hössli
- Hubert Kennedy
- Maren Kroymann —Preceding unsigned comment added by GLGermann (talk • contribs) 12:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
- Ralph Morgenstern
- Theodore Jennings
- Der Eigene
- Max Spohr
best greetings from Germany. GLGermann (talk) 18:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Bot requests page
I think last time I made a request there Betacommand told me not to use a subpage when I did use one, and actually changed the content of the lead of the page to reflect that. Personally, given the length of the request, I certainly would have put it on a separate subpage if I hadn't alreaady been told not to earlier. And I commented on your otehr concerns on the page in question. I think I know why no one ever filed such a request before, though. It took me four days to go through and list the various subcats, and tag the articles which fell in subcats although relevant to other states, myself. John Carter (talk) 15:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Dalton
Hello, thanks for your message. I have no particular qualms with the article, just a general concern about references.
I tagged the article because I noticed that the article had only one in-line reference, and no additional sources/references listed. I think in general it is an important thing for Wikipedia to move towards being more diligent with our references.
I know we often essentially ignore providing references for these Rambot type articles, but I don't think we should do that. I think we want to progress towards a future where people trust Wikipedia articles, or at least a future where we are giving them the tools (references) to check up on us.
In this case, if the bulk of the article comes from one census source, then the expedient thing to do would be to add it that source as a general source so that people can see that the whole article essentially came from one place.
In short, I would love it if someone sees the tag and adds another reference or two. But I won't make a fuss if someone removes the tag. Force10 (talk) 05:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, Force10! My worries when I saw the tag are a) most of the info *does* come from one source. While it might benefit from a ref in the "references" section, it says it comes from the US Census. b) The other 220+ articles... -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Inactivity of Brianna Goldberg
After a short while of in activity, I am back to work on Wikipedia. --Brianna Goldberg (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Pat Patterson
No, he's in two separate subcategories of the same parent category. That's not really the same thing. Bearcat (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I noticed this article has been designated part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago, and I'd appreciate it if you could explain why it qualifies. Kostal was born in Chicago, but spent his entire career working on Broadway and in Hollywood. Is the fact that Chicago was his birthplace enough to warrant including his article in the project? If so, should I add this template to any articles I create in which Chicago is merely a birthplace or has a similarly minor mention? Thanks for explaining. MovieMadness (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Behold the references for Leaves of Grass... as per Mabel Dodge Luhan? I'm too busy atm but it'd be useful.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:44, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hm. Because there are several editors of the LoG article, I'm not willing to step in and reformat the refs. Not without discussing it on the talk page, anyway. Whitman's got more admirers than Luhan does, so messing with his article is likely to cause knickers to be twisted. IMNHO, anyway :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 07:48, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- The history is confusing, I tried to go through it to figure out if I should bitchslap u or not, but in light of assessment failure I shall 'assume good faith'..Anyway I've added it, not sure if the ISBN should come before or after the page number? Also, do u really think a geocities webpage and no 3 look reliable?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Newsletter
Okay, news items have been written, may as wells end it out now. Bit of a bloody long wait for two things, but Rome wasn't built in a day. In fact, I was at this fascinating lecture a few months back about how it took seven hundred years actually, you'd be really interested I'm sure... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- ROTFL!! I might :) I just spent a day with the local chapter of The American Chestnut Foundation learning about the endangered American Chestnut and how I can help plant some! I'll send out the newsletter now... -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
::snore:: ALLSTAR echo 23:24, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Oh and lmao @ Delivered sometime in January 2008 on the newsletter! ALLSTAR echo 23:26, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
LGBT WikiProject Newsletter
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Delivered sometime in January 2008 (UTC). SatyrBot (talk) 23:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank you for a sensible discussion. Have a super day. Wjhonson (talk) 19:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks :) I think we're managing to keep civil and productive - well, as productive as we can be without actually editing the article! :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:12, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Speaking of which... there's both the ArbComm case and the OTRS ticket. Any idea how long it generally takes to resolve such things? (I.e., how much longer can we expect to wait with the article frozen?) Aleta (Sing) 23:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Absolutely no clue at all. Never been involved in any of these - and don't particularly want to be more involved in this one! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- OK. It has gotten crazy (even crazier the past few days!) hasn't it? Aleta (Sing) 23:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- There is the very real possibility that Matt's email was compromised...meanwhile he has managed to break every restriction on his editing. Personally I'm on a wait and see as I've found a few sources myself but want to see where the Arbcom hammer falls. Benjiboi 00:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- OK. It has gotten crazy (even crazier the past few days!) hasn't it? Aleta (Sing) 23:45, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Absolutely no clue at all. Never been involved in any of these - and don't particularly want to be more involved in this one! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Speaking of which... there's both the ArbComm case and the OTRS ticket. Any idea how long it generally takes to resolve such things? (I.e., how much longer can we expect to wait with the article frozen?) Aleta (Sing) 23:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
ITMFA!
beautiful ;] ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 05:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you want to have a discussion about her - or do you give me some time to find further articles/etc - I mean a published author - a translator, and academic, I am a bit unsure what thinking was happening with a possible afd then a notability tag - ? cheers SatuSuro 12:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think I can help here SatyrTN. Give me a few hours to see what I can find. Meanwhile I've UC'd the article. Have a great day. Wjhonson (talk) 16:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- I'm up to seven novels so far that she's writen, plus some non-fiction and articles. I'm going to remove the Notability flag unless you still see the article as problematic for that reason. I'll check to see if there's some kind of existing biographical data to flesh that out. Wjhonson (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- She is notable, and relevant in 1980's stages of lesbian novel writing - as well as a translator -I cannot see why the response to a start encourages the afd/notability tags so easily - I happen to be 'on the road' and dont expect to be able to source some items for a week or two. Thanks SatuSuro 10:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- As I mentioned, the article is currently eligible for speedy deletion. I didn't do so, and won't, because I have faith y'all are right and that she is notable. But the article needs to say so, that's all. If, for some reason, it gets deleted, let me know and I'll get a copy and/or restore it - I'm sure something can be worked out. Have a good trip? And happy editing :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks only just back now - appreciate your good faith - cheers SatuSuro 05:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
BLP request
I wonder if you would mind having a quiet word with Lobojo, who continues to name a psychiatric patient who had an auto accident, in spite of his being non-notable and having less than 15 minutes of fame, as it were. I and others have reverted him several times, but he continues to add the content, as well as copyrighted material from YouTube. This is a pattern with him, both here and on other articles which were ultimately deleted as BLP violations. It's getting tiresome. Some pleasant diffs for you.
- I would note there appears to be nothing on the Talk page about any contention. Wjhonson (talk) 14:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- The edit summaries have been very clear that the material was removed due to BLP violations. Lobojo chooses to reinsert it with the contention that WP is not censored, which is immaterial to the BLP issue. BLP violations may be deleted on sight, without discussion, per jimbo. Jeffpw (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- And he reverted again. This is why I no longer discuss with him. If I had to discuss every time he violated BLP (one time it was serious enough the article had to be deleted) I would never get any work done at all. I am reverting it one last time today, that will make 2 times. I won't edit war, but it is not only a BLP violation but supremely tacky to add that info (with no encyclopedic value), merely because he thinks it's funny. Jeffpw (talk) 15:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- Without Talk page discussion, none of us know this is happening or why. That is why talk page discussion is useful for the history of the situation and why the revert-wars are occurring. Many people do not necessarily pay close attention to edit summaries, they are much more ephemeral than archived discussions. As far as BLP violations, I'm not sure naming a person is any kind of violation. His name does appears in published sources doesn't it? It may be undue weight to include it on this page. All of these issues are why we discuss. Wjhonson (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- By the way "per Jimbo" isn't really a great argument ;) Have a super day Wjhonson (talk) 15:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- I am restoring this discussion to this page, since neither I, nor Satyr (that I have seen) has asked you to move it. I will also ask you politely one time to NEVER remove my comments from a talk page. Further, I take umbrage at you restoring the BLP violation to that article, and ask that you revert yourself. I really need to ask this: Just who the hell do you think you are, Wjhonson, to unilaterally remove comments from other's pages, and involve yourself in a dispute that doesn't concern you, violating policies as you go along? I'm amazed, to be honest. Jeffpw (talk) 16:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
- Back off, Jeff...
- I moved the discussion to the talk page :)
- And I do believe Wjohnson has been agreeing with you and is not an "adversary" -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
A call to Gayass Wikipedians
I've started a discussion of the recent uproar here. I'm inviting all the other gayasses to join in and see if we can't work toward some unified position to present at the discussion - maybe a move to "Queer" or "LGBT"? Hope you'll look it over. Thanks! --Phyesalis (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
- This whole gayass situation is very upsetting.~ZytheTalk to me! 21:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I recently stumbled across the page above, and honestly it looks like something pretty much every WikiProject in existence would be very, very happy to have access to. Would you be at all agreeable to having it placed on the toolserver, and perhaps letting us advertise its existence more? John Carter (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, John! I thought you'd never ask! :)
- Actually, I've sorta been tinkering with the code and such, getting it to where I think it might just - possibly - maybe - be ready for release. You know how it is.
- So I suppose it's pretty stable now and I could be convinced to let others tear it apart and make it better.
- I know there's something about getting an account on the Toolserver - what should I do? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 01:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- I honestly know little if anything about the toolserver, and only found the page on meta at m:Toolserver today. I do think that some of the other editors with toolserver accounts, listed here, would probably be the best people to ask. User:Betacommand, User:Slakr, and User:Oleg Alexandrov are among the names on the list I best recognize. I think the last named party might be the most approachable regarding this, as his bots are among those which the majority of the projects are already using and he would probably grasp its significance most clearly. I would love to see it being used as quickly as possible myself, and I think he might be the one with the most similar enthusiasm for it. John Carter (talk) 01:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the hang on tag will actually work in this case. Its gonna get scrubbed in a couple days by the deletion-scripts because of the BetaCommandBot tag. Really the issue is that the image has NO source information whatsoever, so it almost impossible to repair as a non-free image. MBisanz talk 08:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Question on MiszaBot
Hi
You use this archiving bot, and are a bot writer, so I was wondering if you could look at my talk page and see why it's not archiving everything before Jan 1st. I was hoping for a 2007 archive in other words. Or can I just cut and paste as easier without screwing up the history? Thanks. Here's the archive page. — Becksguy (talk) 21:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
- Bots are pretty stupid. If the date at the end of a post isn't exactly right (an extra space, parentheses correct, whatever), it won't archive properly. I recommend cut-and-pasting the offending posts into your archive. I end up doing that every so often, too. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Category on project talkpage
May I ask that you remove the "gayass" category from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies? I don't approve; if some people want to call themselves names, fine, but I don't. Manners, for crying out loud.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:51, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Do I look like I'm in charge? Be Bold! You may also want to chime in on the discussion being held on that page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Category:Queer Wikipedians
- Or are you being sarcastic and I'm missing it?
- -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- No sarcasm here - I guess my upper-middle-class manners are taking over. I said something on the queer wikipedians category on the project talkpage a while back and it was shamelessly ignored. "Queer" eludes definitions and categories, therefore it seems like a pointless debate.Zigzig20s (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- As stated in the discussions / project talk page, "Gayass Wikipedians" is a joke, mostly because Category:LGBT Wikipedians, Category:Gay Wikipedians, and Category:Queer Wikipedians all got deleted in a WP:POINTed fashion. I suspect the category is on the talk page because someone wrote it [[Category:Gayass Wikipedians]] instead of [[:Category:Gayass Wikipedians]] - that leading colon makes all the difference.
- As for "Queer", I'm much more likely to use that. Categorizing myself is so .. restricting :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 18:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
- Found it. It's included in the user template: {{User:Allstarecho/gayass}}
- I don't see why it matters? It'll be archived in ~3 days. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Mitch Cullin
Hi, I'm a bit perplexed as to why the author Mitch Cullin's notability was called into question in the first place, and, by default, his collaborator Peter I. Chang? I know Cullin isn't a household name, but as a writer he's hardly an unknown entity either (at least for us literary folks). The fact that Terry Gilliam turned one of his books into a film alone should be notability enough. In any case I've done some work on the page to bring it up to snuff, so hopefully it passes muster. I do think, however, that the notability tag is sometimes thrown around a bit too casually, especially in this caseBenderEnder (talk) 14:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC).
- Hi, BenderEnder! I'm sorry you feel like that. I tagged the article because the version I came across said, in a nutshell:
- Here's someone who wrote seven books. He was friends with some notable people.
- The current version is better - it seems to satisfy Wikipedia's Notability policy - "multiple substantial sources about the individual from reliable sources."
- I appreciate the effort you put into the article! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi. I replied on my talks page, I think. Still getting my Wiki-sea legs.BenderEnder (talk) 23:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
re: Stiff Upper Lips
Replied on my talkpage. --BelovedFreak 20:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
possible project member
here. Benjiboi 03:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Benji, do you have an aversion to inviting people to the project? Having seen some of your makeup, I somehow doubt you have any trouble being bold! =D =D -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 03:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Jon Schillaci
The reason for me to add him in that category, is because I think he fits there.
This news source says something about his sexual orientation. "According to a 1989 Houston Chronicle article, the then 17-year-old Schillaci and a 20-year-old man were accused of having sex with two boys they allegedly featured in a video. He pleaded guilty to two counts of sex performed by a child and four of aggravated sexual assault, according to Larry Fitzgerald, spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice."
Not the kind of thing a straight guy would do, so he is homosexual, or at least bisexual. My bad I didn't citate that, I'm going to expand these 'FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives'-articles and citate some sources later.
Reverend X (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I knew then and I still know that pedophilia is totally different than homosexuality. That's correct.
- Being a pedophile doesn't make him gay. That correct, too. But what does make him gay or bisexual is committing an offense like "aggravated sexual assault" against another boy. Didn't you notice the part of the news that says his victim was male?
- Are you trying to say that there is a possibility that a pedophile who has had homosexual sex with a boy could be heterosexual?
Reverend X (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Gunvor Hofmo
I really don't care one way or another whether Gunvor Hofmo is categorized in the LGBT category. It is only of passing relevance to her poetry, though it does have interest for the way gays and lesbians have been perceived in Norwegian history. But you're on very thin ice in asserting that Norwegian sources are not reliable. If this were the case, we might as well delete the article about her altogether, as well as many other quite notable Norwegians. Please either refer me to the relevant policy that states that only English-language sources are reliable; or else remove the tag. --Leifern (talk) 19:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, Leifern! I'm sorry if that tag seemed harsh - it wasn't meant to be! My concern is that English speakers aren't able to verify the statement that Hofmo is a lesbian. With any other article, if I don't believe a claim, I can go to the supporting evidence and read it for myself. I can't do that if the source is in another language. That doesn't mean that the source is any less reliable, and in hindsight that tag is probably not the best one to use - but it does put us in a quandry.
- The relevant guidelines, IMHO, are WP:RSUE and WP:REDFLAG. What might help is perhaps providing a translation of a relevant passage from the source? I don't know.
- Again - apologies for implying the sources provided weren't reliable - they're just not all that verifiable to non-Norwegian speakers :) -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 19:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Human sexual behavior external link
Is this Sexual Fantasy Forums external link OK per WP:EL? — diff. I don't want to remove it unless I'm sure, but at least it should be in a External Links section if kept. — Becksguy (talk) 19:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Sewanee & Richard Quest
Love your User:SatyrTN/Sewanee traditions page. Having married a Sewanee girl at Otey Parish 18 years ago, I never tire of wandering around the campus and town when passing thru on the way to and from Nashville.
I found it only because I was curious who edited out the fact that my friend Richard Quest is gay. That edit doesn't much matter to me, and I doubt it does to him, but he's decidedly out. I only mention because his gag about interviewing with al-Jazeera is that much funnier when you know his background.
Tom Wood (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi, Tom! I did some searching for a source that Quest is gay, and I haven't found any. As you might know, Wikipedia is less about "truth" and more about "verifiability". If we can find a source that says it, then we can add it to the article.
- I'm still trying to work on the Sewanee Traditions page - I graduated from there in .. well, a few years ago :) Finding sources for *that* is a real challenge, since most of it is oral, passed on from seniors to freshmen. But I'll work on it over time :)
- Do let me know if you know of any printed or web resource that mentions Quest's sexuality - I'll be glad to add it back to the article! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Re: Blackpool
Hi, I have replied on Benjiboi's talkpage to keep the conversation together. --BelovedFreak 17:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Tony Holiday
Tony Holiday meets Wikipedia:Notability (music) several times over:
- He has a charted hit on any national music chart. - He has charted several times in the top twenty in both Germany and Austria.
- Has been placed in rotation nationally by any major radio network. - Two songs charted, and therefore assume they were on the radio.
- Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). - He was on both Polydor Records and Koch International.
- Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that page.) - Has appeared on numerous German television shows such as ZDF-Hitparade and one charted song was used prominently in a film by François Ozon.
Additionally, he has a large volume of Google entries and has articles on both the German and French Wikipedias. I am not quite sure why you have issues with his notability, perhaps because he was not so popular in the USA or anglophone nations. I have added further sources for his passing of AIDS in 1990. Let me know if you'd prefer more. ExRat (talk)
internalized homophobia
i was shocked to see you aren't just any homophobe, but the self-hating kind. wiki is not the place for agendas, please stop deleting queer visibility.