What defines 'constructive'?
My edits to the Mark Crispin Miller page were undone because they were said to not be 'constructive'? Says who? And why? All I did was remove the word 'disgraced' from a description of Andy Wakefield. I know Andy and the word disgraced doesn't describe how he feels about the incidents described in the article about Miller. 2600:1700:D470:C940:FD23:3295:1148:CDF4 (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Constructive: is it useful to our readers? If not, it's probably not constructive. CUPIDICAE💕 16:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- We can't base edits on your personal knowledge, as that is impossible to verify. Edits must be supported with published independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- COI issues aside, the word "disgraced" is a bit too subjective for my taste. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps "discredited" would be a better word, which is the word used in the lead of Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield's personal feelings about the matter are not relevant. What matters is what reliable, independent sources say about Wakefield, and they overwhelmingly describe him as discredited and disgraced. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's a smart alternative word choice, in my opinion. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps "discredited" would be a better word, which is the word used in the lead of Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield's personal feelings about the matter are not relevant. What matters is what reliable, independent sources say about Wakefield, and they overwhelmingly describe him as discredited and disgraced. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- The main reason I reverted the edits was because of the removal of sourced content. See the diff >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 17:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- "the word disgraced doesn't describe how he feels about the incidents". Maybe not. But it is how reliable published sources describe Wakefield. Or, if you prefer, “dishonest,” “unethical,” and “callous".[1] Maproom (talk) 06:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- ^ Deer B (2011). "Wakefield's article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent". The BMJ. 342: c5347. doi:10.1136/bmj.c5347. PMID 21209059.
- I believe "disgraced" is a "peacock word" and should be avoided altogether. – 69.112.128.218 (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is, almost by definition, someone's assessment. It might be the assessment of some--for better or for worse--respected and trusted source. It might even be a widely held assessment. But too often, even in those--for better or for worse--respected and trusted sources, the term seems to be used to "inform" all of the readers that we all are indeed thinking as the source has decided we should be thinking. Yes, I'm all for keeping it out--or at least qualifying it as someone's opinion. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Agree that it is opinion, as there is no objective measure. Opinion should be identified as to whose opinion. Discredited is objectively measurable, dishonest and unethical require insight into intent, but with that, also objectively testable given a defined ethical standard. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is, almost by definition, someone's assessment. It might be the assessment of some--for better or for worse--respected and trusted source. It might even be a widely held assessment. But too often, even in those--for better or for worse--respected and trusted sources, the term seems to be used to "inform" all of the readers that we all are indeed thinking as the source has decided we should be thinking. Yes, I'm all for keeping it out--or at least qualifying it as someone's opinion. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
WikiSource Markup's future
Hello, I am Narutmaru! I thought, since the VisualEditor is now here, will the WikiMarkup be closed? It is a pain in the butt for many new editors, and its honestly much more easier to work with. Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 11:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)
- Wikipedia:VisualEditor has been around for many years, but still has many limitations, so there are no plans to remove WikiMarkup at present. Hopefully both options will continue to be improved. Shantavira|feed me 12:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Narutmaru, a standard way to contact any editor is to do so on their talk page; and so such an invitation really isn't needed, other perhaps than when addressed to the occasional newbie. -- Hoary (talk) 13:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- If WikiMarkup was removed I would retire immediately. I personally cannot deal with Visual Editor. SK2242 (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ya, i think tht for those who want markup, they can use, but for those who want to use visual also need to have same amount of features as markup editors.
- Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 14:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)
- It won't, and wiki markup can do things that the visual editor hasn't been able to yet, like modify table cells. The visual editor is an ongoing project and it still hasn't come out of beta yet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have found the Visual Editor surprisingly usable, and certainly so when compared to WYSIWYG editors I have had to deal with on other platforms. That said, I still find myself gravitating toward source editing, and I suspect many beginner editors would be more open to it if they were made aware of syntax highlighting. It's an obvious functionality if you have worked with just about any kind of code before, but that still won't be the case for the majority. Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 11:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, wiki markup can still be used to do things that the visual editor currently cannot. For example, in the Template namespace, the
<noinclude>
,<includeonly>
, and<onlyinclude>
tags regulate what appears when the template is called. Visualeditor currently cannot be used on the Template namespace. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 15:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
I'll ask again, since nobody answered.
Hello, again. This page's section on Poliespo lacks many parts of Poliespo's design including phonology and orthography despite it being decently well-known. I am bringing this up again because I: A) don't want to make any decisions without approval, and B) I was ignored when I asked previously. JanKeso (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. If a section is lacking parts of a design, you should find a source or 2 and add the details you think its missing, Be Bold!, Reverting is normal, and dont be afraid to edit. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You posed a question on 14 April and I replied same day: "From the available refernces in that article, I see no evidence that Poliespo exists other than Waldon said it does. If there is published content about Poliespo other than by Waldon, you could create and submit a draft. If not, not." I stand by that. If you can provide references to the attempt to establish Poliespo as a language, separate and subsequent to Billy Ray Waldon's claims that he created Poliespo, then by all means create and submit a draft, using WP:YFA as a guide. Mention and referencing to Waldon can be in a History section of the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't receive any reply from you or anybody else. Also, there is a Youtube video that contains some information about Poliespo here JanKeso (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You asked your question at Teahouse and I replied at Teahouse. This time, I 'pinged' you, to make sure you saw my reply. FYI: YouTube is not considered a reliable source reference for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Youtube video is the only source that is easily accessible that contains any information of the phonology and orthography of Poliespo, to my knowledge. It sure would be a waste to not use some of it, even if it may be wrong in a few areas. jan Keso (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy on YouTube is that because anyone can create YouTube content, it is not reliable source referencing. Same for blogs and forum content. And interviews. References do not need to be easily accessible, i.e., on-line, but do need to be published. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- David notMD There is also a email thread listed in the description, and a document that is referred to multiple times throughout the video. The reason I added the "easily accessible" part was because someone who wants to add more information on a topic but said topic has inaccessible content that would be required to add more information (such as Poliespo) would have a problem. jan Keso (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, YouTube content can be used if content is uploaded from
a verified official account
, though its use should still be scrutinised. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)- hi Tenryuu and jan Keso! ...I'm willing to guess that said source is Conlang Critic: Poliespo from the cute fraud themself which doesn't really count as a verified official account. the document in the video is La Fundamento de Poliespo, which is Waldon's. the email thread also probably doesn't count. if you'd like to add stuff there, you probably would want to obtain sources independent from waldon (in other words, not La Fundamento) and not self-published (not from jan Misali or youtube in general). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- ping fix: @janKeso 💜 melecie talk - 00:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- melecie That would definitely help. However, there is virtually no other evidence of Poliespo other than what I have already brought up. jan Keso (talk) 02:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @JanKeso, if there is "virtually no other evidence", then that "info" should not appear in a Wikipedia article. It would be a bigger waste to include information that other readers can't trace back to reliable published sources with a reputation for fact-checking. Those are the rules here. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure why I was pinged in this; I was responding to David notMD's assertion that YouTube videos can never be used. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Tenryuu and jan Keso! ...I'm willing to guess that said source is Conlang Critic: Poliespo from the cute fraud themself which doesn't really count as a verified official account. the document in the video is La Fundamento de Poliespo, which is Waldon's. the email thread also probably doesn't count. if you'd like to add stuff there, you probably would want to obtain sources independent from waldon (in other words, not La Fundamento) and not self-published (not from jan Misali or youtube in general). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy on YouTube is that because anyone can create YouTube content, it is not reliable source referencing. Same for blogs and forum content. And interviews. References do not need to be easily accessible, i.e., on-line, but do need to be published. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Youtube video is the only source that is easily accessible that contains any information of the phonology and orthography of Poliespo, to my knowledge. It sure would be a waste to not use some of it, even if it may be wrong in a few areas. jan Keso (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You asked your question at Teahouse and I replied at Teahouse. This time, I 'pinged' you, to make sure you saw my reply. FYI: YouTube is not considered a reliable source reference for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't receive any reply from you or anybody else. Also, there is a Youtube video that contains some information about Poliespo here JanKeso (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You posed a question on 14 April and I replied same day: "From the available refernces in that article, I see no evidence that Poliespo exists other than Waldon said it does. If there is published content about Poliespo other than by Waldon, you could create and submit a draft. If not, not." I stand by that. If you can provide references to the attempt to establish Poliespo as a language, separate and subsequent to Billy Ray Waldon's claims that he created Poliespo, then by all means create and submit a draft, using WP:YFA as a guide. Mention and referencing to Waldon can be in a History section of the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
JanKeso Given the above, and after an educational visit to Constructed language and List of constructed languages I am now of the opinion that Poliespo is not "decently well known", and does not deserve an attempt to create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 08:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- 73.127.147.187 David notMD I wasn't saying we should make a full article, I was saying that we should elaborate more on existing information. jan Keso (talk) 09:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Lack of references independent of Waldon still applies. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- David notMD There is 0 other information that exists that, if existing, would be seen as Wikipedia-friendly. At least that's what I concluded from what you said. jan Keso (talk) 20:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @JanKeso, that looks like two different articles, smashed together. Is it about his crime, or the language? People who are known only for a crime are not considered notable, and @David notMD, at least, isn't sure the language exists. (Your sentence "There is 0 other information that exists that, if existing, would be seen as Wikipedia-friendly" made my head explode.) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 02:52, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- 73.127.147.187 I mean the language. The languages does exist, there is information in many areas about it that Wikipedia doesn't see as reliable but is jan Keso (talk) 13:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso, wait, "there is information in many areas about it that Wikipedia doesn't see as reliable but is" means what exactly? If Wikipedia doesn't see something as reliable then it is not reliable for Wikipedia and therefore is not valid to use to prove notability of anything. No other "is" matters. To your point, and I believe it has been brought out in the discussion, a subject that is "well known" in your estimation is not a reason to create an article or a defense against deletion. The sources must be present and they must be "Wikipedia-friendly" as you say. We call that a reliable source. --ARoseWolf 14:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wolf So, if it isn't a reliable source, it doesn't exist? Got it. jan Keso (talk) 14:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wolf Also, if Poliespo isn't notable enough to be on Wikipedia, then we need to remove the section about Poliespo as it is "too minor". jan Keso (talk) 14:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso, the existence of a non-reliable primary or secondary source is irrelevant to Wikipedia policy on the matter. But for all intents and purposes, no, the source does not exist if it is being used to prove notability. The words "two minor" were never used by myself. I have only pointed to notability by Wikipedia's definition of it and only reliable and verifiable independent secondary sources can be used to confirm that notability. I'll encourage you to review or re-review WP:RS, WP:N and WP:V. --ARoseWolf 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso, wait, "there is information in many areas about it that Wikipedia doesn't see as reliable but is" means what exactly? If Wikipedia doesn't see something as reliable then it is not reliable for Wikipedia and therefore is not valid to use to prove notability of anything. No other "is" matters. To your point, and I believe it has been brought out in the discussion, a subject that is "well known" in your estimation is not a reason to create an article or a defense against deletion. The sources must be present and they must be "Wikipedia-friendly" as you say. We call that a reliable source. --ARoseWolf 14:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- 73.127.147.187 I mean the language. The languages does exist, there is information in many areas about it that Wikipedia doesn't see as reliable but is jan Keso (talk) 13:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Lack of references independent of Waldon still applies. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Charles Clément Balvay
The title of this article really needs to be changed. The individual referred to himself as Charles Clément Bervic ... was known by this name in his time and ever since, and he is not readily identified by the name "Balvay." References within the article, likewise, need to be changed to Bervic. I have tried to raise this matter on the article's "talk" but without any evidence that my concern has been noticed. George-Amherst (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the blanket answer if there has ever been a change of the article name in the past, please do not try to unilaterally do anything, in-fact the answer to your question would be for you to seek consensus on the TP of the article & if that isn’t working, you can raise this point in WP:RM. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay". Consequently, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to change this title unilaterally, if I were able to do so -- I don't find evidence in the history of the article of any discussion of this subect. How would I seek a consensus on this subject? -- or for that matter, any meaningful discussion, were there reason *not* to change the title? Why would Wikipedia maintain a usage that seems to have no practice anywhere else? George-Amherst (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, thanks for your suggestions George-Amherst (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, I took a very quick look at the article. I clicked on two of its references. The second, this one, refers to him as Balvay. It doesn't only refer to him in this way, and briefly discusses the ambiguity, but it does refer to him in this way. Perhaps the article would be better retitled ("moved"); but unless I misunderstand you, your premises for retitling it are mistaken. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, a Google Books search for "Charles Clément Balvay" shows that many books use this name. I posted links to three of the books at Talk: Charles Clément Balvay but several more are readily avaliable. Therefore, your assertion that
I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay"
is incorrect. It seems that Charles Clément Balvay was probably his real name and that Bervic was the name he used as an artist. Cullen328 (talk) 01:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- Here the British Museum says
proper name Balvay, but always used Bervic
. Cullen328 (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- "Here the British Museum says proper name Balvay, but always used Bervic." But what name does the British Museum actually use? -- Charles-Clement Bervic.
- "The English Cyclopedia" is not an authoritative reference for a French engraver ... however, looking further here, you'll find that the article on the individual is alphabetized under Bervic. People do not look under Balay for this individual.
- Look further at your example by Prettejohn: she uses the name "Bervic" in her discussion, not Balvay. We cannot check the usage in Rombout's book, but the author notes that the individual is called Bervic, which is why Wikipedia should do so as well.
- When I look through Google Books, under "Bervic," there are many examples, few of them even mentioning "Balvay"; under "Balvay" in this resource, however, there are NONE (!), no example referring to this individual on this first 2 pages. By titling your article under this name, you are sending your reader to nowhere! In fact, you're concealing information. What's your point? George-Amherst (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @George-Amherst, Nothing is being "concealed" and no-one is being sent to "nowhere", because a search on "Bervic" has been redirecting to the current article since 2009, and a search on "Charles Clément Bervic" has been redirecting to it since 2010. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 06:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Here the British Museum says
- Excuse me, "The second, this one, refers to him as Balvay." This article isn't about the engraver Bervic, it is about a pastelist, a Mlle. Carreux de Rosemond, student of Labille-Girard. George-Amherst (talk) 02:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @George-Amherst, @Cullen328, if the second reference is not about the subject of the article, then it should be removed, along with any info that the reference is backing up, right? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, you are the person who confidently asserted that
I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay"
and you got indignant about it. Yet I proved in a few minutes that your assertion was incorrect. Now, you seem to be claiming that Bervic should be preferred to Balvay. Maybe you are right. But in making that argument, you really ought to admit that you were wrong in your initial assertions. That would go a long way toward developing an amicable consensus outcome, which ought to be based on an analysis of the best reliable sources discussing this person. Since the current version of the article mentions both names in the first sentence, this is not really an urgent matter that justifies dogmatic claims for immediate action. 05:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC) Written by Cullen328 (who perhaps hit "~" once too often). But I could have written the same thing. I second it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- "and you got indignant about it. Yet I proved in a few minutes that your assertion was incorrect" -- Not clear why the mention of both names in 3 sources (out of how many?) proves anything ... why do you say this? In 2 of the 3 cases you mentioned, the name chosen for discussion was Bervic; in one of these the catchword alphabetization was Bervic; in the the 3rd source, the reference consisted of "Balvay dit Bervic" which means known as Bervic. How many pages of references appear in Google for the name Bervic ? -- can't count them. How many for Balvay? -- none, zero. And you feel that disagreement with my suggestion is not a cause for indignation? The expectation that contributors to this exchange are acting reasonable is not a cause for indignation? OK. If you need to feel I was "wrong in my initial assumptions", that fine. And I'm glad to apologize for indignance.
- Here're some facts. The present title of the article is not recognizable to people moderately familiar with the subject (e.g., myself). But more important, I believe, the present title and use of this name in the article itself indicates to the reader that this individual is known as Balvay and, consequently, that additional information can be found under this name. This is not the case, it is wantonly misleading, NO FURTHER INFORMATION can be found by researching under this name, nothing. And if it used alone, the name Balvay will not be recognized as referring to this individual. Therefore the article is misleading and a disservice. George-Amherst (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- "a search on "Charles Clément Bervic" has been redirecting to it since 2010" -- my comment has been misunderstood -- what is concealed is the name useful for finding further information/research (Bervic), when the name Balvay is presented as the title of the article. George-Amherst (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, a Google Books search for "Charles Clément Balvay" shows that many books use this name. I posted links to three of the books at Talk: Charles Clément Balvay but several more are readily avaliable. Therefore, your assertion that
- George-Amherst, I took a very quick look at the article. I clicked on two of its references. The second, this one, refers to him as Balvay. It doesn't only refer to him in this way, and briefly discusses the ambiguity, but it does refer to him in this way. Perhaps the article would be better retitled ("moved"); but unless I misunderstand you, your premises for retitling it are mistaken. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Article at AfC, mainspace, but then edited back to (declined AfC version)
Margaret A. Wilcox was declined at AfC for not being written in formal, neutral tone. I re-wrote the article, and moved it to the mainspace. Now a new editor has come along and changed it back to the version that was declined. What is the appropriate next step here? DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- DaffodilOcean, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You help us aid you better if you provide links (diffs) to what you reference, This circumstance seems rather strange, please can you show us links to that which you speak of? Celestina007 (talk) 22:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah...looks like someone just reverted it. I don't know how to show differences (though I have seen this done).
- I moved this version to the main space: [1]
- Then I saw this version: [2]
- As an aside, I would love to learn how people show the differences with one link. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- You just provided diffs. Celestina007 (talk) 23:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @DaffodilOcean, see Help:Diff#Linking to a diff. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The link from StarryGrandma is what I was looking for, magic. Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
And now another new editor YeonL has come along (with only this one edit) and added back some, though not all, of the encyclopedic statements and un-cited statements. See diff here [3]. I have edited the page again, but is it appropriate to protect the page, or is this too minor to bother? DaffodilOcean (talk) 12:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Celestina007 - this page keeps getting changed back to non-encyclopedic statements. I have changed it back once and Mcmatter changed it back. The latest difference is this: [4] Is there a means to protect the page so people need more edits on Wikipedia before they can change the page? The edits are not slander, they are just WP:PUFF. DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
How can you cite financial statements?
I am currently drafting an article about a Philippine energy company (First Gen) (wikipedia draft here: Draft:First Gen Corporation) . I found their financial statements for FY 2021 but when I click on their annual financial report, the pdf is downloaded to my PC instead of opening a link to a web version of the pdf. How can I circumvent this problem? I have no idea what to do now and help would be appreciated. Thanks. Financial statements link: https://www.firstgen.com.ph/disclosures ShiriEditsTalk 03:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ShiriEdits, the sources don't show that anyone has published anything substantial that demonstrates why this company is notable. News of routine business dealings, and financial statements, do not show Wikipedia notability. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @User:73.127.147.187, thanks for pointing out that my sources do not show notability of First Gen. Can you give me an example of what warrants notability? I really don't know what warrants an article. Thanks for the help. ShiriEditsTalk 07:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- That disclosures link and your ref #2 are to the company website. Company (or individual person) websites can be referenced to support simple factual statements, but are not accepted as independent reliable source references to confirm notability. I agree that the other refs read like financial/business press releases. Are there any articles about the company - not its deals - in news sources? David notMD (talk) 08:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- ShiriEdits, please see WP:NCORP. Bascially, Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. David has mentioned some exceptions to this, but unless you establish notability according to those criteria, you're wasting your time and effort. ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ShiriEdits, in addition to the excellent advice just given, please see Your First Article. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @User:David notMD, @User:ColinFine,@User:73.127.147.187 Thank you all for your excellent advice on my article. Will use all of your advice to use in future articles. --ShiriEditsTalk 09:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @User:73.127.147.187, thanks for pointing out that my sources do not show notability of First Gen. Can you give me an example of what warrants notability? I really don't know what warrants an article. Thanks for the help. ShiriEditsTalk 07:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorting, sorted-list-merging, pyramid select (stable tournament), insert middle (binary)
Hi. Question1: I try send 3 algorithm, but failure by admins. If not wiki interested in algorithm, where can i found community about sorting? You can look on page https://mlich.zam.slu.cz/js-sort/wiki-peter/ - Pyramid-select is similar tournament, bigger code, need memory, but faster and STABLE. (n=1000, cmp=8700) - Sorted-list-meging is half part od merge, detect sorted list and merge it. Or select sorted list is 1. Simple code, need memory, fast, stable, 3x faster in multithread mode. (n=1000, cmp=8700) - Insert-middle (binary sort from timsort), but my code not use complicated code for detection left-right galop (n=1000, cmp=8700)
Question2: Why not in table for algorithm added information about stable or unstable?
Question3: Why use for complex info formula n log n? Its false. True formula is
Sn = A*n - (2^A - 1) // i not see any log, ln, i see exponent
| n = 8, A = 3, sn = 8*3 - (2^3 - 1) = 16 + 8 - 7 = 17
| n = 1000, A = 9.35, sn = 1000*9.35 - (2^9.35 - 1) ~= 8700
| Sn(0..A) = (n - 1) + (n - 2) + (n - 4) + (n - 8) ...
Peter.mlich (talk) 07:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't understand questions 1 and 3. As for question 2, the tables at Sorting algorithm each have a column for stable/unstable. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Click any algorithm in table on your page.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_sort
- On right, you see box info about algorithm, there is no stable. Peter.mlich (talk) 07:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- LIke Maproom, I have little idea what you are talking about. When you have questions about a particlar article, you are much more likely to find people who know about the subject if you ask at that article's talk page (eg Talk:Sorting algorithm); or if you find a relevant WikiProject (eg WP:WikiProject Computing) than asking at the Teahouse or other general pages. ColinFine (talk) 09:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I can discern it, Peter.mlich has invented/implemented a new sorting algorithm which they claim to be better than other standard algorithms under certain metrics, and want to include that in Wikipedia. The correct answer is therefore that we do not deal with original research, which should be addressed to other channels (in this case, a computer science journal, I guess). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 15:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- New... May be or not. I dont know, i dont undestand code on wiki. My Pyramid can be Tournament-sort, but, my code is stable. List merging can be something too. Insert middle can bee binary insert and alternation can use Tim sort. But, my code is differend, work in someone differend. And does not respond with values in table on mail sorting page.
- Pyramid is modification of select sort. But, in table have select sort n*n.
- Insert middle is simple moditication basic insert-top, insert-bottom. Not compute galop left-right as timsort.
- List merging use merging sorted list. In my code very old. But, somebody maybe can create it before. I don know. May block sort? But sorted-list-merging is better name, intuitive, what alg. do. Peter.mlich (talk) 07:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Formula, i can change it, 2^a = n, when you use n as 2^x
- Peter.mlich (talk) 07:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Peter.mlich! improving your algorithm doesn't help its chances in Wikipedia unless you get people, probably journalists or researchers in your field that are independent of you, to write about it. unfortunately, we cannot accept original research. you can probably find some other places to share your algorithm in, although since I'm not in the circle of sorting algorithm people, I cannot really give any places for you to start. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 08:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. I try present on pages specialized on algorithm. I can only try present for world on world most-visited place :) This place not work, when you is programmer and not school-scientist :) I hope to find community here. But found only librarians. This not problem, but other pages can die early, lost text for ever. Peter.mlich (talk) 08:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello , I want to write an Article but i don't know which is Notable or Not ?
This is only one and first English Online News portal which name is The Narayanganj Page from Narayanganj, Bangladesh. Zahidul Is Chowdhury (talk) 10:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Zahidul Is Chowdhury, are you perhaps asking whether "The Narayanganj Page" is notable? If so, it is notable if it has been discussed to some extent in other reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Zahidul Is Chowdhury, you have asked me (on my talk page): "Please refer or provide in other reliable source link / About the New Article The Narayanganj Page". There is no article The Narayanganj Page. Perhaps you're asking me to look for reliable sources about "The Narayanganj Page". If so, no: if you believe that reliable sources exist, it's your job to find them. If other editors see that you have made a good attempt, this may prompt to help you continue your search. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Establishing notability
Hello everyone, nice to meet you. I would love to get the community's thoughts on Draft:Innovation Endeavors, specifically in terms of notability. Looking forward to discussing with you here or on the draft's Talk page! Thanks for your help, AJ at Innovation Endeavors (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- In my opinion, a good, appropriately sized draft. Seems notable enough. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, AJ at Innovation Endeavors. The main issue, as with all articles about corporations, is that to meet WP:NCORP a few of the citations at least have to be based on WP:INDEPENDENT sources. I've not checked all the cites in the Draft but those I did were clearly based on interviews or press releases. For example, Lunden's piece in TechCrunch says
Among the areas that Deep Life tells me it...
which shows this reference is not helping with notability. Part of the problem is that a high-profile figure like Eric Schmidt is frequently interviewed and may mention some of the ventures he is involved with but you need to try to include some reference with WP:SIGCOV of Innovation Endeavors itself that aren't just things that would be in a trade directory, which Wikikedia is not. More experienced editors will comment once you formally submit the article for review. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)- Wait?? New Wikimedia project called Wikikedia?? Wow!!! What is it about? Cranloa12n / talk / contribs 21:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, AJ at Innovation Endeavors. The main issue, as with all articles about corporations, is that to meet WP:NCORP a few of the citations at least have to be based on WP:INDEPENDENT sources. I've not checked all the cites in the Draft but those I did were clearly based on interviews or press releases. For example, Lunden's piece in TechCrunch says
proper setting of access-date when archive-url is added
Suppose a citation has an "url" that has become dead, you add an "archive-url" parameter and presumably check that it contains the content to support the claim, then should "access-date" be left alone or should it be updated to reflect the current date? Fabrickator (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Fabrickator I leave the old access date, since that's presumably supposed to be about the date the original source was viewed, not the date I added the archive. I don't think there's any official guidance on this anywhere. -- asilvering (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Asilvering I would point out that the access date is not something that's specific to Wikipedia, it's specified in the various citation styles, essentially stating when the web content was accessed. My personal rationale is that in light of the ephemeral nature of the web, it's the author's assertion as to the fact that the content was available on a specified date, and a more recent date is inherently preferable (e.g. better to claim that the content was available last week rather than that it was available 10 years ago). That said, updating it just because you happened to view it woud be annoying to say the least. Fabrickator (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
timely deletion warning
Hi, I have translated an article from English Wikipedia into Persian. I need to mention that Persian is my first and mother language and I am sure that the article is readable in Persian. However, my article has received a timely deletion warning. I am very interested in translation, I am learning a high level of English and I want to do something as a positive exercise such as translating articles into Persian. Please guide me on this if possible. I would appreciate your help in advance.موتورسیکلت تریال Neginghaderii (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, this is the Teahouse for the English language Wikipedia. You will need to take any questions about articles in Persian to the Persian language Wikipedia. Shantavira|feed me 19:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I believe your question should be posted at the Persian Wikipedia help page: fa:ویکیپدیا:درخواست_راهنمایی Fabrickator (talk) 19:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! I am happy that you have decided to translate articles into Persian. I hope all goes well for you! If you need help finding articles to translate, one easy way is to click on "Random Article" on the top left side of the main page if you are on the English Wiki, or if you are on the Persian Wiki then you can click on "مقالهٔ تصادفی" on the top right side of the main page. Once you find an article you are comfortable working on, a way to see if it is translated to a language already is to go to the section labeled "Languages", and it will show which languages are available for that individual article. Remember to view the page and click "Random Article" on the language that you want to translate from. Here are 5 examples that I found: Packwood Glacier, Declaration of Independence Tablet, Khaliq Dina Hall, Fabio Gall, and Heart Mountain Fair Play Committee. Once again, I hope this journey turns out well for you and succeeds greatly. Have a great day! - ypc0cnz (talk) 22:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- thank you so much. I will start with them. Hope they don't nominated for delete :) Neginghaderii (talk) 07:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Most viewed user talk pages
What are the most viewed user talk pages of all time as well as the last 30 days? I tried finding a page that has it, but I couldn't. If anyone can find the answer for me, that would be great. Interstellarity (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think that's tracked anywhere anymore. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Interstellarity As a pure guess, it's likely that the "all time" and current record is held by User talk:Jimbo Wales, for obvious reasons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft:Circle Inspector
This is a draft of 1996 released Kannada language film . Since it was released in 1990s , it is difficult to find sources for it . Please help me to find relevant sources. Alone 333336 (talk) 02:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Circle Inspector (film) 💜 melecie talk - 04:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Alone 333336, if there are reliable sources, my uneducated guess is that they will be reviews in Kannada-, Hindi-, or English-language ink-on-paper periodicals that will not be on microfilm or microfiche, let alone on the web, and will not be indexed. If my guess is correct, then even if you have access to a superb reference library, finding them will be prohibitively difficult. My guess may be wrong; I hope it is. And it's very likely that I am less than averagely informed about Kannada-language matters. However, you could try asking the same question at WT:WikiProject India: people there will be more than averagely informed. -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Alone 333336 I looked at the filmography of Girija Lokesh, one of the actors in Circle Inspector, and many of the Kannada-language film articles had content similar to your draft. This does not necessarily mean yours should be accepted as is. One of the more complete movie articles is Nanjundi Kalyana. It has a Plot, Production and Reception section, and for the cast list, gives the names of the characters they played in the movie. I recommend you improve the draft modeled on other Kannada-language movie articles, try to find more refs, and submit again. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Trying to figure out a new open-source mapping approach
Hi editors and fellow Wiki people,
I've been working on maps of battles of the French Revolution previously such as in Battle of Fleurus (1794), and I've previously relied on an OSM no-labels version found here: https://mc.bbbike.org/mc/
However, this has since gone down and is no longer available, and I'm trying to find other sources of OSM maps with no labels that I could use to base my map annotations and labels on, but I'm hampered by the fact that I'm really not very sure about the licencing situations for alternatives, or about how OSM maps and tiles and layers work at all.
I have started looking at alternatives (so far I've seen Mapbox, Maputnik, and Stamen Maps) and some of them seem like they might be applicable--but before I begin experimenting, I'm wondering if anyone already knows if these are suitable licence-wise for Wikipedia? Or if someone already knows another source of no-label OSM? It's a bit specific a question, I would really appreciate if anyone has any input or suggestions they can share. Talamioros (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Talamioros. I have been an active editor and later administrator for almost 13 years without developing any expertise with maps. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps for some resources that may be useful. The technical nerds tend to hang out at WP:HDT. Cullen328 (talk) 06:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Talamioros Hi the Techie hangout is WP:VPT - friend Cullen got the wrong bowl of alphabet soup. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- alphabet soup sounds like it'd be a nice meal for an editor, probably goes well with some tea too 💜 melecie talk - 06:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Melecie Stick around for long enough and you'd also become fluent in Wikipedia abbreviations. Several outside commentators have actually (quite fairly) criticized the way we old hands throw these shortened links at newbies. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi @Dodger67
- The Village Pump scares the bejesus out of me. I should point out that I have zero coding or technical knowledge whatsoever, and the BBBike link I previously used, I depended on because it didn't need any of that--I just needed to screengrab the map base after I'd positioned the view where I wanted it, and crop, then photoshop. To clarify further, what I'm really asking isn't whether there's a way I can code another map, but rather, if I find another "Google Maps"-lookalike based on OSM I can simply screengrab, like Stamen Maps, can I just grab it, annotate it, and attribute it the way I did with the maps in Battle of Fleurus ("Own work based on OSM page blah blah" which I was taught how to attribute by another Wiki editor)? Will it be acceptable copyright-wise? If they're based on OSM they should be okay...right? Talamioros (talk) 09:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Talamioros Aah okay, now I get it! You're not looking to do some complex coding, you're just looking for some assistance to get suitable "base" maps. The best (non-scary) place for that is the Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop, so drop a note there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- alphabet soup sounds like it'd be a nice meal for an editor, probably goes well with some tea too 💜 melecie talk - 06:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
What if I don't like tea?
Is there a water house?
I'm posting from my phone and don't remember my password. 2600:6C4E:1200:1E85:8CDF:7215:A99D:72C6 (talk) 05:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. IP editor. "Tea" is just a metaphor for something calming and reflective. It could be one of countless varieties of coffee, or Viennese pastries, or many fresh fruits. The idea is that the Teahouse should be a friendly, welcoming place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, and answering them accurately. Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi ip user! there's no water house, but we do have a village pump. jokes aside, do you have an email assigned to your account? if you do, you could probably reset your password. if you don't, unfortunately you'll have to start a new account, although you also have to establish somewhere that your previous username is yours. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Wrong Photo
How can I ask someone active in Wikipedia to remove the wrong photo and replace it with a correct photo of the person described 81.229.195.55 (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may use the associated article talk page (for example, Talk:Joe Biden) to discuss any concerns about that article, including its images. There should be a "talk" link at the top of the article(in desktop mode, at least, in mobile/app mode it's a tiny bit harder to find). IP users and new accounts cannot upload images, but you may work towards uploading one at Files For Upload. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP user, and welcome from me too. In addition to what 331dot says, there's also the issue of whether an image with suitable copyright status is available. We have many articles about people which lack images not because we don't want them to have pictures, but because nobody has found an image which is licensed in such a way that it can be freely reused (which is a core policy of Wikipedia). A wrong image is a different matter, certainly, but it might be that the best we can do is to remove the wrong image. If this is a person you know, or that you have access to, and you can take a picture of them yourself, you will be able to license it appropriately youself. ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, and in addition to what Colin and 331dot said. If you saw the wrong photo on the right-hand side of a Google search results page, in the "knowledge panel", that is almost certainly a problem on Google, not Wikipedia. Check the image on the actual Wikipedia article, if the image is correct, it's a Google problem that we can do nothing to fix. Otherwise, report it on the article talk page or here and it will get sorted. - X201 (talk) 11:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Crossed out edit
When I view the history of the page "EBIS" one of the edits is crossed out twice in black and I can't view it why is this? President SFH (talk) 09:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi President SFH and welcome to the teahouse! that is possibly because the edit is supressed and only visible to oversighters. said edit could've possibly been of personal information, libel, or copyright infriging, however since again it's oversighted, I can't see what it is about. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 09:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Peer Review request on a draft page?
Hey Guys,
I have finally gotten around to finishing my first article again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BerriBlue
It got deleted and there was a whole COI thing, which was pretty annoying, so now I've tried to be as careful as possible with citations etc etc.
What's the best way to re-publish it? I'd like to submit it for peer review, but it doesn't allow me to add the template to the draft talk page.
It says " This template should be substituted on the article's talk page. "
Could you please help me to get the new version approved? Thanks, Wil57 (talk) 10:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Wil57: Welcome to the Teahouse. Peer review is a different venue from Articles for Creation, so chances are you're trying to use a template that only works properly in the
Talk:
namespace; doing it inDraft talk:
is probably what's giving you the error. If you are ready to re-submit the article for review, put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft page, not the draft's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Sources
Courtesy link: Draft:Fight Crab
I made an article on a game, and it got turned down because it didn't have enough sources. It was on Fight Crab. My main source was actually playing the game, which is the best source, so what should I do? Flumph Grump (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Flumph Grump: Welcome to the Teahouse. Articles need reliable, secondary sources to establish notability as Wikipedia defines it. Playing the game does not establish its notability and thus is not
the best source
. A glaring issue I see is that you're using a second-person perspective, which is in an inappropriate tone for Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)- @Flumph Grump: Notability is not the only problem with "playing the game", it also violates WP:OR. The Tips of Apmh 12:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- sorry Flumph Grump (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I found more sources and went through to make it thrid-person (as in they/their/players) and removed the playing the game source. Thank you for your feedback, Tenryuu. Flumph Grump (talk) 13:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Flumph Grump: Notability is not the only problem with "playing the game", it also violates WP:OR. The Tips of Apmh 12:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Notability matters
Hi Wikipedians! I'd like to have the thoughts of some experienced Wikipedians and tell me please about the article Draft: Lee Seung-joo if it requires the terms of notability or other things I should fix so I can review it. Thank you so much for your time! Yours - Fisforfenia (talk) 12:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- We're told: A lot of famous people were gathered and a lot of DJs played there, one of them was also Løren. [...] He also had a cameo appearance on the music video of "Lovesick Girls". Before participating in the music video, he also had interactions with the members and other appearances on camera. [...] He was, also, spotted at the Paris Fashion Week the same month, on Yves Saint Laurent's fashion show by Athony Vacarello. / On March 2022, the director of Dior Men's Jewelry, Yoon Ahn, opened a pop-up store of her own brand, Ambush, in Seoul, South Korea. On April of the same year, she uploaded photos on her personal Instagram account with her and some celebrities who had visited the store at the opening. Those celebrities were Løren, Jennie, G-Dragon, Jay Park and The Boyz. Being seen with a lot of famous people, being spotted somewhere, being in a photo uploaded to an Instagram account: none of this contributes to notability. Indeed, including this gossip magazine stuff sounds desperate ("Look, he hangs out with celebs, that means he must be a celeb too!") -- Hoary (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Can someone review my article?
Draft:Kalle Myllymaa. He's a professional ice hockey player from Finland. Kilaseell - Say something - 13:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kilaseell, let me quote what I read at the top: "Review waiting, please be patient. / This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,937 pending submissions waiting for review." -- Hoary (talk) 13:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
You expect me to know how to read? Kilaseell - Say something - 13:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
new page
how do i start a new page??????? Joshp44 (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Joshp44 and welcome to the teahouse! please read Your first article. please note that wikipedia isn't the place to advertise yourself or your business, such things are not allowed here. if you want to make an article about them, it might be better to hold off first: there are many reasons why you might not want one. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 14:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
User pages
What should i put in them? I can't think of anything :D -Kilaseell - Say something - 14:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Kilaseell! WP:UPYES contains general guidelines for things you can put on your userpage. Some editors put userboxes on their userpages, others write a little about themselves and their editing, and others redirect their userpages to their talk pages. As long as you follow the guidelines for userpages, it's really up to you! Perfect4th (talk) 15:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
COI Edit request
Hi, I have been asked to update the page for the company I work for, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Face. I am completely new to editing Wikipedia (usually only responsible for updating content on the company's own site), so did not realise I wouldn't be able to make these changes myself due to a conflict of interest - until I published them, and they were promptly undone. Several other WP users reached out to me to explain the issues, and following their advice I have changed my username as appropriate and disclosed my affiliation with the company on my user page.
I am now looking at requesting the changes via the relevant Talk page, but was wondering if there is any way that I can submit the code that I had rewritten too, as I feel this would save a lot of time/repetition of work. I had made changes to several areas of the page; some simple text changes, others adding or removing citations and ensuring that all citations had been formatted in the same way. I believe the main issue was the promotional/branded tone of the rewritten introduction, so I have re-re-written that to be more objective (largely inline with what is already there). The other changes are factual (changes to leadership and ownership, number of stores etc).
I would be happy to write out a list of edit requests to summarise these changes, but thought it might be helpful to already have them done and ready to drop in, if approved? Thanks! LB at FatFace (talk) 15:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you want to edit something, you need to cite sources that are independent from the subject. You'll have to do it yourself unless other people want to edit too. -Kilaseell - Say something - 15:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @LB at FatFace: As long as you provide the edits you want to make and the sources on the Talk Page, there is no need to provide the markup code. Another editor will be able to do that. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Why can't a user delete their own subpages?
Hello! I've recently had the motivation to get more into wikipedia, and just moved my first article to the article space, Quaker decision-making.
I decided to do a bit of spring cleaning in my user space, but noticed I can't delete my own subpages. Accorting to the subpage page, a user must tag {{qd|U1}}
at the top of a page, and wait for an admin (or bot?) to delete.
Why is this? It's quite unintuitive for me as a relative newcomer. DougInAMugtalk 15:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Douginamug Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Love the username. The idea you bring up is a perennial proposal. The main problem is that a user could game such a power by moving an article(say, Joe Biden) to their user space and then delete it. This is why only admins can delete articles. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- 331dot Thanks for the compliment and speedy reply :) I thought as much. It's still a bit confusing to understand the relative privileges. My intuition would rather be that permission is required to move articles to and from user space... but Wikipedia seems full of surprises and charm. Thanks for drawing my attention to that page, another fascinating corner of the wikiverse. DougInAMugtalk 15:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Douginamug I suspect there are a few reasons. One is that I don't think you could give people the ability to delete pages without giving them the ability to undelete pages. User subpages often get deleted because they are inappropriate for Wikipedia (attack pages, copyright infringement, promotional pages), and you wouldn't want users to have the ability to undelete these pages without oversight. The other issue, I suspect, is that it would give people the ability to delete the history of their talk page. User talk pages are supposed to remain as permanent records of discussions and warnings, so it's important to restrict that ability to admins. Guettarda (talk) 15:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Douginamug: You've got some excellent answers here so far, I will note, that the U1 tag noted above is basically always done by admins; we'll do a cursory glance at the page history just to make sure nothing untowards is going on, but other than that, it pretty much always happens. So it really shouldn't be a problem for getting the page deleted. As noted above, I want to re-iterate that I'm not sure it is technically possible, within the MediaWiki software, for someone to be granted a user-right that only allows them to delete their own user-created userspace sub-pages, like you ask. While the deletion userright can be granted individually by the software (we don't do it that way right now; it is currently bundled in the "administrator" package of userrights, which is the only way to get it), once you grant the right to delete, that gives said user the ability to delete any page anywhere on Wikipedia; that level of access is rightfully only reserved for users with advanced permissions; which are only granted sparringly through processes like WP:RFA. I hope that helps. --Jayron32 15:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Guettarda @Jayron32 Thank you both for your considered replies. It really helps me get a better understanding of 'how things work here'. I can safely say that I won't be making any RfCs or Proposals at any time soon! DougInAMugtalk 15:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Rename jpg on Commons
Hello, I recently uploaded a portrait of Henry II of France that I altered to improve the lighting to commons and I must of had a brain fart and I mistakenly named the file Henry III not Henry II so I wanted to know is there a way I could fix that? File:Henry III of France-François Clouet (altered).jpg Orson12345 (talk) 15:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Orson12345: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_renaming#How_to_rename_a_file has instructions on how to request a rename. On Commons (unlike Wikipedia), files can only be renamed by Admins. That link I gave you has information on how to tag a mis-named file so that admins can rename it for you. --Jayron32 15:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Orson12345 you would need to request a rename on Commons (which a Commons admin can then action)- there are only certain circumstances where they will rename files (listed here), but "correct obvious errors" is one of the reasons listed. I think the code to request a rename would be
{{Rename|1=File:Henry II of France-François Clouet (altered).jpg|2=3|3=Filename contains incorrect name of person.}}
(according to the documentation on the file renaming template there). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Orson12345 you would need to request a rename on Commons (which a Commons admin can then action)- there are only certain circumstances where they will rename files (listed here), but "correct obvious errors" is one of the reasons listed. I think the code to request a rename would be
- @Joseph2302: Ok. I put the template in the summary, correct? Orson12345 (talk)
i want my edits to 'list of chicago blues musicians' to stop getting edited out.
please stop editing my edits. i am tired about this. i would like to edit free of this. thanks. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- You might want to not "edit out white bluesmen" then... So far your only edit, as has been pointed out on your talk page, not been constructive. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello I edit blues pages. and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you are referencing this edit in which you removed sourced information from an article. You were cautioned on your user talk page and instructed that, if you had questions, you could come to the Teahouse to seek advice or help. I realize you want your edits to stop being removed but you have not provided any understanding as to why you are trying to make such edits. So, perhaps you can explain and we can better help you. --ARoseWolf 16:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- i want my edits to stop getting edited out too. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- i am adding death dates to some of the black bluesmen. i am removing white bluesmen [like elvin bishop] from the list so people can explore the black ones. the black bluesmen are more original. i add and change the introduction so people can know more about black blues history. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- For info see IP 67.6.77.225 -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- The list is of Chicago Blues Musicians, not Black Chicago Blues Musicians. You edit has now been reverted and it on you to begin a discussion on the talk page to see if there is a consensus to make your desired changes, as per WP:BRD. I however doubt this arbitrary change or reasoning will gain consensus. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 16:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- how do i make an offical black blues wikipedia page that others can view? i would like some pointers. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I edit blues pages., I would suggest reviewing WP:YFA first and then make sure to look over WP:RS and WP:N (our policies on reliable sources and what notability is). Keep in mind that article creation is one of the hardest tasks an editor on Wikipedia can do. Also keep in mind that you do not own the article (WP:OWN). The article can be edited by anyone else as long as they follow policy. --ARoseWolf 16:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- how do i make an offical black blues wikipedia page that others can view? i would like some pointers. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, I edit blues pages, and welcome to the Teahouse. You might find it helpful to read WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS. ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
draft deleted
Hello, I was wondering why a draft article would be deleted? D. Bruce Means was deleted by Athaenara but I was still working on it. Thank you! Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Athaenara: Pinging deleting admin. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Donald Bruce Means page was also deleted. I had a question to my admin advisor on how I do a redirect. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Admin Nick Moyes is helping me on this. He was going to inform me if there was an issue with copyrighting, etc. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Billie J Jackson and welcome to the Teahouse. I went through what was said on your user talk page and what you wrote in various places and I need some clarification before I can answer your question properly. It may seem silly but this will help us. Is the D. Bruce Means the same as the Dr. Donald Bruce Means with which you have disclosed conflict of interest as noted on your user page? Normally drafts here have Draft:article name but this one doesn't which leads me to believe the article was in main article space which might explain the issue. You can request the draft be undeleted and moved to your user space f you are working on it but drafts, either in draft space or your user space are not kept forever. To request an undeletion you can go here. --ARoseWolf 16:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi ARoseWolf, thanks for getting back to me. I've only worked on the draft for a couple of weeks so it should not of been deleted especially since I've been working on it every couple days (it's not just sitting there). The article topic has been pre-verified as relevant by an admin who is also helping me with the scientific information on the page. And yes, D. Bruce Means is the same as Dr. Donald Bruce Means. Sorry about that, I need to research what is the standard way to refer to someone in Wikipedia. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Billie J Jackson, I apologize but I don't see where you have worked on any of these articles when looking at your contributions. Did you use a different account when editing that article? Also, lookig at your user talk page it appears you submitted a draft for review. Was that draft rejected? Did Dr. Means have an article in main space that was deleted as you seem to reference above? --ARoseWolf 17:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ARoseWolf: if you look at Billie's talk page you can find the link to the article they were working on that was deleted. D. Bruce Means it was deleted as overtly promotional but was originally tagged as Promotional and a copyright violation. It also was not in the draft space so it was subject to deletion at any time. Billie, I would recommend you probably start fresh in your own words and just give the facts based on secondary sourcing at DRAFT:D. Bruce Means McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 17:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if I accidentally deleted something but the article was suppose to be in drafts and the sentence the admin was talking about was one sentence out of the whole article. Not to mention I had an admin and an investigative journalist working with me on this who hadn't had a chance to read it yet. It took me forever to source all of the new species he has named and found. I really need it put back in drafts. Feel free to strip the top general info if you would like but I'll be losing hours of work which I am volunteering to do a for a notable scientist after I tried to find out more information on him after reading the April National Geographic cover story about finding new species in South America. Billie J Jackson (talk) 17:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Mcmatter, thank you but that was the first place I went to and I looked at the deletion rationale. My concern is a) the disclosed COI and b) helping the user understand that they were NOT, in fact, editing a draft but an article in main space and c) they say Nick has been helping them yet I see no correspondence on either users talk page beyond Nick's welcome message. Perhaps the correspondence was on the now deleted article's talk page. Billie J Jackson, you may do as Mcmatter suggests or you may start the article in your user space User:Billie J Jackson/D. Bruce Means. The third option is to request undeletion as I have explained by going to link I posted above. --ARoseWolf 17:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Since it seems my honestly is being questioned, below is the email from Nick which you can absolutely verify with him. I already asked for it to be undeleted although I'm not sure how it was live when in fact it hadn't gone through the approval process. I don't have time to restart from scratch and I shouldn't have to since it was still in drafts.
- Nick Moyes mentioned you on Wikipedia:Teahouse in "New Article".
- @Billie J Jackson Although I’m pretty busy right now, I’d be extremely happy to help you create the article, as it falls into my area of interest....
- View mention Nick Moyes View changes Billie J Jackson (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Please don't mistake my inquiry as questioning your honesty. That is not the case in the slightest. I am trying to determine how this happened and what options you have going forward. You can request the article be undeleted and moved to your user space. McMatter is correct that it was in main space because as I pointed out it would have Draft: in front of the article name if it was in draft space. if you have made the request then hopefulyl it will get reviewed and the article moved into your user space. Bear in mind that any copyrighted material can not remain and must be removed or not added back to the article, what ever you decide, or it may be deleted again for the same reasons. --ARoseWolf 17:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Mcmatter, thank you but that was the first place I went to and I looked at the deletion rationale. My concern is a) the disclosed COI and b) helping the user understand that they were NOT, in fact, editing a draft but an article in main space and c) they say Nick has been helping them yet I see no correspondence on either users talk page beyond Nick's welcome message. Perhaps the correspondence was on the now deleted article's talk page. Billie J Jackson, you may do as Mcmatter suggests or you may start the article in your user space User:Billie J Jackson/D. Bruce Means. The third option is to request undeletion as I have explained by going to link I posted above. --ARoseWolf 17:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if I accidentally deleted something but the article was suppose to be in drafts and the sentence the admin was talking about was one sentence out of the whole article. Not to mention I had an admin and an investigative journalist working with me on this who hadn't had a chance to read it yet. It took me forever to source all of the new species he has named and found. I really need it put back in drafts. Feel free to strip the top general info if you would like but I'll be losing hours of work which I am volunteering to do a for a notable scientist after I tried to find out more information on him after reading the April National Geographic cover story about finding new species in South America. Billie J Jackson (talk) 17:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ARoseWolf: if you look at Billie's talk page you can find the link to the article they were working on that was deleted. D. Bruce Means it was deleted as overtly promotional but was originally tagged as Promotional and a copyright violation. It also was not in the draft space so it was subject to deletion at any time. Billie, I would recommend you probably start fresh in your own words and just give the facts based on secondary sourcing at DRAFT:D. Bruce Means McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 17:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Billie J Jackson, I apologize but I don't see where you have worked on any of these articles when looking at your contributions. Did you use a different account when editing that article? Also, lookig at your user talk page it appears you submitted a draft for review. Was that draft rejected? Did Dr. Means have an article in main space that was deleted as you seem to reference above? --ARoseWolf 17:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi ARoseWolf, thanks for getting back to me. I've only worked on the draft for a couple of weeks so it should not of been deleted especially since I've been working on it every couple days (it's not just sitting there). The article topic has been pre-verified as relevant by an admin who is also helping me with the scientific information on the page. And yes, D. Bruce Means is the same as Dr. Donald Bruce Means. Sorry about that, I need to research what is the standard way to refer to someone in Wikipedia. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Billie J Jackson and welcome to the Teahouse. I went through what was said on your user talk page and what you wrote in various places and I need some clarification before I can answer your question properly. It may seem silly but this will help us. Is the D. Bruce Means the same as the Dr. Donald Bruce Means with which you have disclosed conflict of interest as noted on your user page? Normally drafts here have Draft:article name but this one doesn't which leads me to believe the article was in main article space which might explain the issue. You can request the draft be undeleted and moved to your user space f you are working on it but drafts, either in draft space or your user space are not kept forever. To request an undeletion you can go here. --ARoseWolf 16:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Admin Nick Moyes is helping me on this. He was going to inform me if there was an issue with copyrighting, etc. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Things I don't understand here include: "raw ra raraerara", "my admin advisor", "we are afraid that you will die from THE MEASLES", "like Hellen Keller", "pre-verified as relevant by an admin" (not a standard procedure here)... – Athaenara ✉ 20:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Athaenara, Billie J previously brought this subject to the Teahouse and had a discussion with Nick in which Nick said they would review the draft of this article and help change inline external sources to cited references. Nick was not acting in an admin position but as a fellow editor that has a common interest with Billie J. I believe this technical assistance along with the fact Nick is an admin is what led Billie J, a new editor, to believe that Nick is their admin advisor. They also, erroneously, believe that an admin can pre-verify relevance of an article. Relevance is not a pre-qualifier for notability and that's why I cautioned this editor to read policy before going back to article creation. But as it was supposed to be a draft in the first place I believe the article should be undeleted and moved to Billie J's userspace for them to remove the copyrighted material and give them the opportunity to resubmit the draft for acceptance once any puffery is removed. I can't see the history of the article so I can't say what happened or how it was moved to mainspace or if it was initially created in mainspace by mistake. --ARoseWolf 12:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Now at User:Billie J Jackson/Donald Bruce Means ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), hope this is satisfactory. – Athaenara ✉ 14:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Billie J Jackson, see the link above this message to the draft article in your userspace. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we have tried to work through this issue. Athaenara, thank you for your gracious response and for your understanding throughout the discussion. I believe this is more than satisfactory. --ARoseWolf 15:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- ARoseWolf I truly appreciate your time and understanding for a new user. Thank you so much for your help with this. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Billie J Jackson, see the link above this message to the draft article in your userspace. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we have tried to work through this issue. Athaenara, thank you for your gracious response and for your understanding throughout the discussion. I believe this is more than satisfactory. --ARoseWolf 15:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Now at User:Billie J Jackson/Donald Bruce Means ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs), hope this is satisfactory. – Athaenara ✉ 14:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Athaenara, Billie J previously brought this subject to the Teahouse and had a discussion with Nick in which Nick said they would review the draft of this article and help change inline external sources to cited references. Nick was not acting in an admin position but as a fellow editor that has a common interest with Billie J. I believe this technical assistance along with the fact Nick is an admin is what led Billie J, a new editor, to believe that Nick is their admin advisor. They also, erroneously, believe that an admin can pre-verify relevance of an article. Relevance is not a pre-qualifier for notability and that's why I cautioned this editor to read policy before going back to article creation. But as it was supposed to be a draft in the first place I believe the article should be undeleted and moved to Billie J's userspace for them to remove the copyrighted material and give them the opportunity to resubmit the draft for acceptance once any puffery is removed. I can't see the history of the article so I can't say what happened or how it was moved to mainspace or if it was initially created in mainspace by mistake. --ARoseWolf 12:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
First Lady of Kogi State
Created an article of the First Lady of Kogi State and the spouse to the Governor of the state, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Bello, the Governor married 3 wives, and when you search for the first lady, it will bring out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amina_Oyiza_Bello, who is also the wife but not the official first lady as stated on the sources on the search https://www.google.com/search?q=first+lady+of+Kogi+State%3F&tbm=nws&ei=wj9gYo_RG7aK9u8PyrCy2AU&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiPupOnkqP3AhU2hf0HHUqYDFsQ8tMDegQIARA2&biw=1280&bih=881&dpr=1 Dorathy Nnaji (talk) 17:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
How is Russian Wikipedia covering the Ukraine war?
I ask because I don't speak Russian. Serendipodous 17:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rather than be dependent on somebody volunteering to assemble the requested content, I suggest entering the following query into your browers:
(That's "War between Russia and Ukraine" translated into Russian). This returns a bunch of relevant pages on Russian Wikipedia. To see those in English, select "translate to English" if you're using the Chrome browser, or else copy and paste the page titles to Google translate. Here are some of the articles that the Google search returned (translated into English):site:ru.wikipedia.org Война между Россией и Украиной
- Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022)
- Russian-Ukrainian War
- Russian-Ukrainian relations
- Russian-Ukrainian crisis (2021-2022)
- Russian invasion of Ukraine
- Negotiations between Russia and Ukraine (2022)
- International reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine
- Again, if you're using Chrome or a browser with a language translation plugin, just click on the article you're interested in and select your requested translation. Otherwise, copy and paste the article text into translate.google.com. Fabrickator (talk) 04:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Advice on finding what to create and edit.
Hello! I've been here for a bit, however I would like some advice on finding an article to create and an article to edit. Im aware of WikiProjects but what is a good way to find inspiration? Cheers. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @PerryPerryD: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to expand and improve the encyclopedia. You can look at Wikipedia:Requested_articles for a large number of suggested articles. If you find one that interests you, then you can go to WP:YFA for guidance on how to create an article and use the wizard there to create a draft. For suggestions on edits, check out Wikipedia:Task_Center for some things to do. RudolfRed (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I second RudolfRed's advice and would add that if you are interested/good at particulary types of editing, for example copyedting or whatever else (adding images, finding sources, translating from another language, etc.) there are directories of articles needing whatever it is. You can also click "Random article" until you find something that needs work. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Help getting page approved
I've been editing this page, and had it rejected in the past for not having enough reliable sources/not proving the figure was notable. I'm wondering if anyone can look over the citations and let me know if it looks okay? Any help would be much appreciated!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pritika_Chowdhry Matriarch-info (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- It looks like you have improved the sourcing, and from what it looks like, should be in better shape now. You might want to go through and see where you can trim or rewrite with a general reader of a bio in mind, and not as a bulletin of accomplishments disproportionate to the size of the article. For example, the "Selected fellowships, grants, and awards" section could be excluded or shrunk. A general reader probably doesn't need that whole list. But that's just my two cents. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Page for Mustang Seats
Mustang Seats is a premier manufacturer of motorcycle seats and they should have a page on Wikipedia. How does one go about making this happen?
David Caputo Digital Marketing Manager Mustang Seats [details removed] 131.239.13.226 (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business directory or an avenue for promotion. If your company meets the standards at WP:NORG, someone will notice and eventually create an article about the company. RudolfRed (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for the question. A company must be notable to have a Wikipedia article. That means there must be multiple independent, reliable sources talking about the company. Many companies, as good as they might be, do not qualify for a Wikipedia article. In the case of your company, there may not be enough third-party, independent sources to meet notability requirements. For example, this article is published by a non-media vehicle-financing entity, and many of the other online metions appear to be press releases, which do not qualify as independent. If you have more sources that you know about, then consider requesting the article to be created at requested articles. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- You also must read the paid editing policy and make a formal declaration. 331dot (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
No Visual Editing on Talk Pages?
Hi! I’m new here, and was wondering: why is there no option to edit talk pages with the visual editor? Clyde293 (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Clyde293: Welcome. The visual editor has several limitations, editing talk pages is one of them. You can read about the rest at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Limitations RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Clyde293: That being said, you may find the Reply tool (on by default for newcomers) or the Convenient Discussions script to be very helpful. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
How to determine an Image's copyright status
Hello,
I am curious on how to determine the copyright status of an image, so that I can use it in an article. Is there a way that I can access an image's details on copyright? Thanks. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- The answer will depend on where is the image at present. Is it on Wikimedia Commons? In someone's photograph album? In your camera? On the internet somewhere? Maproom (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- I found it in Wikimedia Commons. If this means that it is free, do I just enter its file onto the page? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- More precisely, CollectiveSolidarity, if it's at Commons, it ought to be free (meaning either in the public domain or copyleft under an acceptable license). Certainly this is what has been asserted. However, as you may know or probably have guessed, Commons has a very large number of images that have been ignorantly or fraudulently misdescribed, most commonly as the "own work" of the uploader, who claims to have magnanimously copylefted it, even though it's not theirs to copyleft. If you suspect that a file you'd like to use has been misdescribed in this or some other way, do please identify it here, so that somebody here can take a look and comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Create page
Hello hoe can i create a page HackAlbania (talk) 22:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- See the details on article drafts here. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- HackAlbania, if you're asking about a page about Balkan Airbnb, I'll take your word that this "was founded in 2022 on April 21". It's inconceivable that this would be "notable" (as understood here), and "notability" is required. As for prose such as "An innovative idea inspired by big giants like booking and airbnb to have a combination of the two gives rise to the idea of a new platform", please read WP:PROMO, item 5 ("Advertising, marketing or public relations"). So how can you create a page about it? You cannot. (Not here, anyway; though you might consider some PR website.) Additionally, please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide very carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Advice for a beginner editor
Hello. I'm eager to begin contributing to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure where to start. Aside from fixing the mistakes I see while reading different articles, I'm not sure how else I can contribute. Thanks. BlueNoise (talk) 03:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi BlueNoise! you can look for Task center for stuff to do here. I started with copyediting/fixing typos and errors and removing vandalism, perhaps WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors or Counter-Vandalism Unit would also be of interest for you? happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 03:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- BlueNoise, if you're a beginner, I advise you not to attempt to counter vandalism. A moderate understanding of Wikipedia's relevant policies and guidelines is necessary for that, and beginners don't have it. Fixing typos is a good start, then making judicious additions and other improvements (referenced, of course); and when you're confident of your abilities there -- meaning that you've done a lot without being reverted (other than perhaps by a few dubious editors) -- you're welcome to counter vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 05:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I wish I could say CV is easy for new editors to get the hang of, however you do have a good point: CV is complex, hectic and not really the best place for a new editor who hasn't already lurked in a hundred WP: pages beforehand (cough me). while I'm at it, I've also went and moved that over at Task center which currently states that CV is
[s]uitable for all editors
. 💜 melecie talk - 10:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)- In general, I don't think that inexperienced editors should attempt to police Wikipedia, unless perhaps the policing consists of reporting infractions to the relevant page, so that other editors can look into it and, if appropriate, take action. I often see edits described as vandalism when they aren't vandalism (however deleterious they may be). More grotesque is the huffy "correction" of spellings from conventionally British to conventionally American or vice versa, the earlier version (which more often than not is the appropriate one according to WP guidelines) being described as having a grammar mistake. -- Hoary (talk) 13:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Something that anyone can do, and which is potentially super-useful, is check up on those changes where someone modifies a date-of-birth or some teeny detail like this. There are vandals out there who make that sort of change because it's unlikely to trigger CyberBot, and it's hard to detect, and there are misguided people who do it because they think they know the real date, but they've made a mistake. The only real way to correct this stuff is to chase a source and check what the date really is. There is the lazy option of simply reverting the change as "unexplained" or "unsourced", but of course an IP editor might be quite knowledgeable and totally correct. We can't trust them blindly, but we can treat their edit as a warning sign that the date is dubious and requires checking. This is very low-key, invisible counter-vandalism work, but it's a lot more valuable than the slashing cutlass-drawn, leaping-through-windows-to-arrest-the-criminal swashbuckling end of anti-vandalism because it requires a human detective. The only knowledge required is Wikipedia says, right or wrong, what the source says. Elemimele (talk) 16:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- In general, I don't think that inexperienced editors should attempt to police Wikipedia, unless perhaps the policing consists of reporting infractions to the relevant page, so that other editors can look into it and, if appropriate, take action. I often see edits described as vandalism when they aren't vandalism (however deleterious they may be). More grotesque is the huffy "correction" of spellings from conventionally British to conventionally American or vice versa, the earlier version (which more often than not is the appropriate one according to WP guidelines) being described as having a grammar mistake. -- Hoary (talk) 13:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I wish I could say CV is easy for new editors to get the hang of, however you do have a good point: CV is complex, hectic and not really the best place for a new editor who hasn't already lurked in a hundred WP: pages beforehand (cough me). while I'm at it, I've also went and moved that over at Task center which currently states that CV is
Question about Wikipedia image policy
Hey, I am not new editor but had a quick question. If I take a photo of a public figure from a poster/banner, I own the copyright, right? In my case the person is a politician. Krutarth (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Krutarth, no, you're wrong. Normally, if you photograph a 2D image, whoever holds the copyright to that image also holds the copyright of derivative works. (I say "normally", because there may be exceptions. But I can't imagine how any would apply if your purpose was a faithful image of somebody's face, regardless of that person's occupation.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
improvement in my article
required changes in heading and subheadings had been done and reliable reference sources link added where required please help me to improve my article Thelastwiki (talk) 05:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- "My article" being Devendra Pratap Pandey? If so, the first titled section (the only one I looked at) is "Early life and education"; it has one reference, but the cited source doesn't seem to say much what's in the section. So much of "Early life and education" is unreferenced. Strangely, the little marker for the reference comes immediately before "and the National Defense University in Washington, D.C.", which is something that is in the cited source. -- Hoary (talk) 05:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- so what changes should I do ? Thelastwiki (talk) 11:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
hello, trying to complete an article, need help with title, thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Santa_Monica_Heritage/sandbox Santa Monica Heritage (talk) 05:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Santa Monica Heritage: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your page, a reviewer will eventually look at it and change the title accordingly if it is accepted. That being said, I strongly doubt any reviewer will pass it in its current state. There's only one reference given that doesn't have any bibliographical information, and it doesn't establish the subject's notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Santa Monica Heritage, if this would merit an article, then "Draft:Manual roll". Adding to what Tenryuu says, your The trick was created by Pat Ngoho in the late 70’s and then later it was named by John Lucero who also began to adapt the Manual Roll into Street Skateboarding in the mid 1980’s is unreferenced. And the whole concept is so slight that even if there are sources for it I have trouble believing that readers would benefit from a separate tiny article. The content could instead go within Skateboarding trick. (This is an article whose lack of referencing has been flagged for nine whole years. Actually I'm tempted to nominate it for deletion: other users would hate me, but while they were fuming at me, the article would certainly get improved. However, I'm hindered by Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Article Wide Search
Is there a way to search for a certain term wiki wide? Carpathianflorist (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Carpathianflorist, I wonder what you mean by "wiki wide". In the articles of English-language Wikipedia? In all pages of it, including e.g. this one? In all language versions of Wikipedia? In all wiki websites? Maproom (talk) 07:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Maproom, I meant to search for, as an example, "gooblydook" in all pages of the English wiki. Carpathianflorist (talk) 07:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Carpathianflorist! The simplest way to search for a phrase on Wikipedia (if that was what you're asking) is to enclose it in quotation marks like "my article" & use the Search box at the top right of Wikipedia. The quotation marks will instruct the search to find those words together rather than individual words in the phrase. A more sophisticated method would be to use Advanced Search, where you can specify more precisely what you are seeking. Find that by left licking the magnifying glass on the standard search box at the top of the page then clicking "Advanced Search" to see the available refinements. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! That's what I was looking for. (Although I suppose it should've been obvious.) Carpathianflorist (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Carpathianflorist! No worries! :) Happy to help! Take care, LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 08:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot! That's what I was looking for. (Although I suppose it should've been obvious.) Carpathianflorist (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Filmography
Hello again! In the section of filmography of a musician, should their own music videos and appearances on other artists' music video be written in that section? Lastly, should citations be added on the discography or filmography? 'Cause I've noticed other articles which do not have citations on that parts of the article an only on the sales or chart. Thanks - Fisforfenia (talk) 06:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fisforfenia, appearances in other musicians' videos seem pretty trivial, unless there have been discussions of these appearances. -- Hoary (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Help getting draft approved
Hello,
I've been editing this page - Draft:Arunabha Ghosh and had it rejected in the past due to these reasons -
This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.
This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.
I'm wondering if anyone can look over the citations and the content and let me know if it looks okay? We have written the draft by following the mentioned guidelines, adding independent and reliable citations.
Any help would be much appreciated! Vrushabhj (talk) 08:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Vrushabhj Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Who is "we"? Only a single person should be operating your account. If you are associated with this person, you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID. Your draft was unfortunately rejected and as such will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and what they do- a Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely documenting what the person has done or their professional qualification, and involves independent analysis as to their significance or importance. Though it may sound odd, you actually have too many sources. Fewer high quality sources are better than a large number of poor quality sources. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- User has stated at the AFC HD that they are editing for their CEO. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello,
We need help in finding out why this article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arunabha_Ghosh is being rejected. There is no paid contributions for this article. The article is written using independent & reliable sources without any financial stake & following all the required guidelines.
Is there any particular content section that is being rejected for not meeting the guidelines? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks. Anishanigam (talk) 11:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Please see the answer given above. The draft will not be considered further. Shantavira|feed me 11:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Anishanigam, @Vrushabhj, if the editor who created the draft works for the person the article is written about (editing for their CEO), then that is considered "Paid" on Wikipedia. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:22, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Sounds like advertising
Hi, folks. I'm on my first submission - Al Hasan Mosque. It sounds like an advertisement though. I've added an infobox and whittled down the information and am trying to follow the format of a previously published page for a different one in the area. Should I remove their website from the article? The 'blatant advertisement' info page mentioned this. Am I saying too much about how it was designed? Advice would be appreciated, if allowed. Thanks. Teacher Samara (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Teacher Samara, it might help a little if you added a statement about when the mosque was built. Maproom (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, I had it in there but took it out cause I put it in the infobox. I'll put it back in. Teacher Samara (talk) 12:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Teacher Samara, having an official website under External links is fine, even sort of encouraged: WP:ELOFFICIAL. Per WP:ABOUTSELF you can even cite it for simple facts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! Teacher Samara (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Can warnings be given to IPs?
I cleared out a bunch of vandals today but didnt think of putting warnings since they are IPs. Should I? Carpathianflorist (talk) 15:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carpathianflorist: It can't hurt. IPs can be dynamic or static, so it's not a certainty that the vandals will even be reading the warnings, much less heeding them, but if nothing else it serves as a marker for other editors who may subsequently encounter vandalism from these addresses and/or monitoring activities from a given IP range. --Finngall talk 16:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks! Carpathianflorist (talk) 16:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Caveat, I do not know correct policy and may be wrong about this. If you're using the term "Vandal" correctly, for things that are obviously intended to mess up Wikipedia, I tend not to bother with the warnings because (1) they probably aren't listening, and might not even notice; (2) it will probably only encourage them; (3) warnings-as-a-prelude-to-blocking aren't needed because if they keep doing it, the best option is to ask for page protection, and in any case, the IP will only get blocked for a bit because IPs tend to change; (4) if they're on an IP range rather than a simple IP, they won't see your message because in half a minute they'll be on a different bit of the range. And life is too short to bother. If, however, it's someone who's "vandalising" in the sense of trying to do something useful but making a complete mess of it because they're misguided, or don't know what they're doing technically, I will try to communicate. In this situation, I used the edit summary, the article talk-page and the IP's talk page according to which I think is most likely to get through, but it's an up-hill struggle. Note that this second sort of situation is not vandalism in the wikipedia sense, even if the result is often similar! Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 16:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carpathianflorist, Girth Summit, and Elemimele: iirc, my understanding from doing Counter-vandalism academy training is that user warnings are important, regardless of whether it's an IP address or a registered editor that is vandalizing pages. Pages are typically protected when the vandalism is coming from mutiple IPs/editors. If you're reporting someone to WP:ANV, it's nessecary to have warned them beforehand. Clovermoss (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Clovermoss, long time no chat - nice to find a ping from you at the top of my screen. You are correct - I would always advise people to apply warnings to vandals, whether they are accounts or IPs, in all but the most egregious of circumstances (i.e. if you're reporting them directly to AIV). Elemimile is correct that much of the time the don't read them, but at least they have been given due notice, and the warnings are informative for other patrollers. Girth Summit (blether) 18:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I stand corrected on that one! I still recommend using meaningful edit-summaries though, and I'd really recommend being a bit gentle about it, because if the IP address is shared, or if it's dynamically reallocated by the ISP to some other person, the warning will hit some random innocent person who didn't commit the original vandalism. Templated warnings can be a bit alarming to someone who's never done anything wrong and is only a casual editor anyway. Elemimele (talk) 18:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'll typically add a templated warning but one that allows for me to add optional wording. I can usually soften the blow of being slapped with "disruptive", "unconstructive" or "vandalism" with a few short and simple words. I do that whether I think it may be deliberate or not. A large percentage of vandals are probably children or youths that really don't understand how disruptive their editing can be or maybe they don't think about the consequences. By warning them with stern yet personable messages I feel, if they look at the warnings, they may gain understanding that will potentially pull them in to become better editors rather than push them away. If they don't look at the warnings then at least I feel I have tried. --ARoseWolf 18:57, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, for sure - only revert without a meaningful edit summary for obvious vandalism. If someone's removing sourced content, you just have to type 'rv unexplained removal'; if they're adding unsourced crap, it's 'rv unsourced'; if they've just typed some random characters, 'rv apparent test edit' is your friend, etc. You can give IPs templated warnings for stuff like that, but if you get the sense that they're actually trying to be helpful and just don't know what they're doing, it's much better to give them some personal advice about how to do it properly. But templating obvious IP vandals is definitely good practice. Girth Summit (blether) 22:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I stand corrected on that one! I still recommend using meaningful edit-summaries though, and I'd really recommend being a bit gentle about it, because if the IP address is shared, or if it's dynamically reallocated by the ISP to some other person, the warning will hit some random innocent person who didn't commit the original vandalism. Templated warnings can be a bit alarming to someone who's never done anything wrong and is only a casual editor anyway. Elemimele (talk) 18:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Clovermoss, long time no chat - nice to find a ping from you at the top of my screen. You are correct - I would always advise people to apply warnings to vandals, whether they are accounts or IPs, in all but the most egregious of circumstances (i.e. if you're reporting them directly to AIV). Elemimile is correct that much of the time the don't read them, but at least they have been given due notice, and the warnings are informative for other patrollers. Girth Summit (blether) 18:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Carpathianflorist, Girth Summit, and Elemimele: iirc, my understanding from doing Counter-vandalism academy training is that user warnings are important, regardless of whether it's an IP address or a registered editor that is vandalizing pages. Pages are typically protected when the vandalism is coming from mutiple IPs/editors. If you're reporting someone to WP:ANV, it's nessecary to have warned them beforehand. Clovermoss (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
When to use sfn rather than a full “cite x” template
When should you use the sfn template instead of a full citation? Is it just when the reference has been cited before in the article, or is it more complicated? Speatle (talk to me) please ping me when replying to something I said. 16:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Speatle, for citing a reference more than once see Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once. Shortened references are another way of referencing. It is helpful to know how to do it if you are adding material to an article that uses that approach. See Help:Shortened footnotes. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Speatle Per WP:REFVAR you follow the established cite-style (if there is one, there should be). In Shakespeare authorship question you use the harvnb form (very similar to sfn:[5]), in Marlowe portrait the other form. If you want to repeat a cite in the second case, see WP:REFNAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Facing an issue to publish the Wikipedia page
Hi, I am facing an issue to publish the Wikipedia page. Can you assist me to make it live?
This is the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Torglenn1776/sandbox#Tor_Glenn_Melhus, It's currently saved as a draft, I need to publish it live. Torglenn1776 (talk) 16:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Torglenn1776: Welcome to the Teahouse. Normally all one has to do to get it reviewed is to put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page.
However.
It seems you may have misunderstood what Wikipedia is for. It is not for self-promotion; it is strongly discouraged to write about yourself, and no reviewer is going to accept it as an article without any references to reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)- @Torglenn1776 if you haven't done so already you may want to read Help:Your first article which explains, among other things, about the importance of having good reliable references for all that you are stating in your draft article. Best wishes on improving what you've written. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Draft:Tor Glenn Melhus - which is more developed than the Sandbox version - has no references, and as such, has no potential for being accepted as an article. David notMD (talk) 22:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Torglenn1776 if you haven't done so already you may want to read Help:Your first article which explains, among other things, about the importance of having good reliable references for all that you are stating in your draft article. Best wishes on improving what you've written. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Photo copyrights
I added a photo to a page I have edited (William G. Johnsson). It was rejected for lack of copyright authorization. The person who "took" the photo is willing for me to use it. Will an email from that person to me suffice (with a copy of the photo, a statement of owning the photo/having "taken" the photo, and an indication of permission for me to use it on a specified Wikipedia page)? If not, what can I do?
Warren Trenchard Wctrenchard (talk) 18:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Wctrenchard: Welcome to the Teahouse. The person who holds the rights must contact Wikipedia themselves, and cannot go through you as a proxy. Please direct them to read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials and possibly Wikipedia's sister project, Wikimedia Commons. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Wctrenchard The easiest (IMO) way is that the photographer/copyright holder creates an account and upload in themself here. Another way, see instructions at [6]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Data center page - Aisle containment
I'm slightly worried that the citation I added in for this section is an advert, can someone please check it?
Data center - Wikipedia Grammer Nerd (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Grammer Nerd: I don't see what citation you're referring to. I see no citations added by you. Do you mean Wikilinks? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, wikilinks, those. I was wondering if using "This is similar to how large cool rooms at large warehouse club work, such as Costco or Sam's Club." as an example Is an advert to those companies. Grammer Nerd (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Spam#Avoiding giving an opportunity to spammers. Wikipedia articles generally do not need to give unsourced examples of companies that do some common, generic thing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks! Grammer Nerd (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Spam#Avoiding giving an opportunity to spammers. Wikipedia articles generally do not need to give unsourced examples of companies that do some common, generic thing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, wikilinks, those. I was wondering if using "This is similar to how large cool rooms at large warehouse club work, such as Costco or Sam's Club." as an example Is an advert to those companies. Grammer Nerd (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Family history
I was led to believe I am of Prussian decent, but I cannot get family information. Any help? 2603:7080:DE37:5900:90C9:785C:974B:3BF6 (talk) 21:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- We can't help with genealogy-related questions, IP. In fact, given how vague the question is, you'd have a hard time finding anyone who could help you even on a genealogy site. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
How can I copy text with references (citations) from my sandbox to an article?
I have drafted a short section in my sandbox intending to add this new material to an existing article. I used the sandbox to hone what I want to write and make sure that I have all of the citations correct, rather than trying to do a direct edit to the article. Now I want to copy this section into an existing article. But it does not carry my citations with the text. Is there a way to do this? I have not found a way to copy and paste a reference from one article (or my sandbox) into another.Brucet8585 (talk) 22:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Brucet8585 I am guessing that you are trying to cut/paste from what you see in your sandbox. What you need to do is open the Sandbox content using Edit. That will show the references embedded in the text, bracketed by the ref and /ref. Cut/pasting this should work. David notMD (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Of course! Thank you David notMD the fact that it actually copied and pasted but without the references just confused me! Another rookie error. Brucet8585 (talk) 23:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Brucet8585 I am guessing that you are trying to cut/paste from what you see in your sandbox. What you need to do is open the Sandbox content using Edit. That will show the references embedded in the text, bracketed by the ref and /ref. Cut/pasting this should work. David notMD (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
Draft got declined for advertising and I don't understand why
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:PropertyGuru is my first-ever article, so I'm sure it's rife with problems... I just don't understand what they are. If the reviewer had specific critiques, I don't seem to be able to locate them. I've asked the reviewer, Theroadislong, for help, so hopefully I get some constructive feedback from them about where to go from here. But if anyone else has advice, I'd be forever grateful for help!
I don't have any COI, and I can't see any of the reasons the article's tone isn't a neutral POV. (I tried to make every sentence an objective summary of information gleaned from the sources.) I don't think there's any promotional language in the article. I assume the company wouldn't much like my mentions of their negative income, their labor disputes, their failed IPO, or any of the other negative news stories I found while researching, so I think it's objective.
PropertyGuru is a massive company here (the "Zwillow of Asia", as per trusted sources), getting over 40 million monthly visits. And it's on the brink of a big IPO on the NYSE with a valuation of over a billion dollars. Lots of coverage in major finance news sources around the globe, so I believe it's pretty notable.
(And while you're gifting me free advice, I'd also love help with fixing the Categories section and deciphering the copyright rules for adding logos – I'm terrified that I might screw it up.)
Thank you!! Pathologix (talk) 10:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)