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The improvements... I have created this on the evidence I have from wikipedia and my own knowledge on the subject, but I propose someone with more knowledge on this subject expand on it. Some historical information on Meyer would be good. I know that most of Elder Jacob Meyers children are in the Assemblies of Yahweh so whoever started this page has got that wrong. That's what caught my attention on the recent changes list.
Glad somebody started a page on Jacob O. Meyer. It would be helpful for somebody with inside knowledge to explain the titles that precede Meyer's name. Pete unseth (talk) 21:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Glad somebody inserted the list of his books. It would be even more useful if they were listed out with dates, etc. The statement that some of his writings "have been quoted by authoritative sources and religious denominations" calls for citing examples.
- I will get on that one. I think the dates are on the AOY page so I wil copy them over. Working together In Citer (talk) 09:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
The sentence about elders is unclear. If somebody could clarify the grammar, that would be an improvement. What is the name of the other elder, his son? Was he merely "nominated" to be constable, or did he serve in that capacity?
- I don't have that sort of information at present, but I will inquire about it. In Citer (talk) 09:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I am startled that the information about his education and ordination has been removed from an earlier version of the article. It was some of the only information from a published source. As a history buff, I am reinserting it.Pete unseth (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I am disappointed that almost all of the sources cited are Meyer's own writings. This does not help with the issue of Notability. Any outside published sources are a welcome addition to this article. Pete unseth (talk) 00:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
- I think some sources were removed earlier so I will see what I can find. Working together In Citer (talk) 09:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I am disappointed that words have been changed especially in regards to "paganized general terms". I am not so keen on the yellow template box at the bottom of the page either. I think it needs to be a different colour. Is there any chance of a change in colour? In Citer (talk) 09:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
- In relation to words, I had inserted "theological" with "liberalism" to distinguish it from any other kind of liberalism, e.g. financial, political, etc. However, the NPOV guideline makes it very difficult to allow Meyer's conviction to be stated as an agreed, accepted standard. We can all agree that it was his clear conviction that the terms were "paganized", though not all will agree that the terms actually are such. Some previous questions remain: his titles, his son's name, did he serve as constable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pete unseth (talk • contribs) 20:28, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Ricky not helping
A user admin called ricky, a christian, has made some ghastly changes to the article, removing images, paragraphs etc. My talks arent working. Any one else who feels these edits worsenify the articel, please say so. Ricky complains that he doesnt want a edit war but whenever some one changes the article, he changes it back with a really bad excuse. IMO: You are not improving the article. 212.103.241.89 (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ignoring the incivility and the serious lack of good faith, a simple check on my user page should tell you that I'm not a Christian. If you want to actually discuss the article, fine, but I'm having a hard time understanding what you are doing deleting three of Meyer's works from the Bibliography. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:04, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
References
Can someone please explain exactly what all the references to, for example, "Meyer, J. O. (2/1986)", "Meyer, J. O. (4/1999)", etc. are to? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
- I agree with the need for contributors to clarify their use of this style of citing Meyer's work. Recent edits by Bender235 perpetuate this unclear form of citation. Pete unseth (talk) 03:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Sir & Elder
There seems to be no evidence that this person is or ever has been a knight or baronet in any jurisdiction. Can we remove the redirects, quote attributions and other elements which refer to him as 'Sir Elder Jacob Meyer' (also implying that 'Elder' is his name, rather than another title)? Thanks. AlexTiefling (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
The use of "Elder" has reappeared, Jan. 25, 2011. This does not seem the best way to write in an encyclopedia. For example, the article about "Bishop" Spong does not repeatedly refer to him by this title, nor does the article abut "Senator" Joseph Lieberman. An introductory use of the title is enough, especially when neither the source nor significance of this title is explained. I suggest that Adviser1989 revert most of the "Elder" insertions. Peaceably,Pete unseth (talk) 01:27, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
POV/tone tag explanations
This article basically reads like a fan's glowing biography of the man. It has lots of references, but all are from things Meyer or his related groups have written. We need some third-party sources here, and to tone down some of the reverence; just like in any other political or religious leader's article, he doesn't need to be called by his full name or "Elder Meyer" every time he's mentioned. Some explanations of doctrinal differences would be good, too, rather than just calling the non-Assembly of Yahweh groups wrong and leaving it at that. --Xanzzibar (talk) 10:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Don't try to reason with AOY members. Having been an AOY member myself, I'm saying that the AOY is a cult that worships Jacob Meyer more so than Yahweh. They didn't even appoint a new Presiding Elder after he died. They listen to Jacob Meyer's recorded cassette tapes. These people will never understand why Jacob Meyer's writings aren't credible sources because they are dogmatic and irrational. You can't reason with crazy. 174.130.31.61 (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
- Nothing crazy about commandment keeping and Elder Jacob O. Meyer (OBM) was a commandment keeper. The AOY listen to his sermons because he is the founder of the Assemblies of Yahweh and an excellent example of a man who kept the faith to death. As for credibility, I've found his literature is very accurate and enlightening. I hope to make some changes to the article in the near future. Some of the info is outdated. In Citer (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Have begun to edit this in the general direction of encyclopedia style. At present it still reads as if written by and for Mr Meyer's followers. Brocach (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Ricky - The AOY is NOT part of the SNM
I understand that you have written in the article that Elder Meyer is part of the SNM. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jacob_O._Meyer&oldid=608190095 ) It isn't. The source you used is incorrect. In Citer (talk) 13:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Then kindly find a better source to the contrary. Your say-so isn't good enough to controvert sources, especially when the AoY site itself refers to being part of the movement. --Xanzzibar (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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- In a sense, both of the previous editors are correct since it is difficult to draw boundaries on a a movement, saying exactly who is in and who is out. Possibly, to some insiders (such as In Citer), the borders are clear and Meyer and company are not part of the movement. But to the great majority of people, any group that makes it a point of distinction to preserve and pronounce sacred names is definitely part of the sacred name movement. I strongly believe it is proper to identify Meyer and his organization as being part of the movement, but those who disagree may want to find an appropriate way to say that he did not share any informal or formal ties with other groups within the broader movement.Pete unseth (talk) 21:08, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Here we go again. A movement has no membership list; it is a movement, not an organization. Those inside it may have more specific or less specific criteria for what it means to be part of the movement. Also, those outside a movement may have different criteria for assessing who is in and who is not. By the criteria used by outsiders, Meyer is part of the movement. It might help if we were told what the specific criteria separate Meyer from the movement. Pete unseth (talk) 13:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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"Three fold cord"
The article currently speaks of the present leadership as the three fold cord, but also says the term is no longer used to refer to leadership. It is not clear to me, but these two sentences seem to contradict each other. Have I misunderstood? Or has the situation changed over time? I think this needs to be clarified. Pete unseth (talk) 13:26, 6 July 2017 (UTC)