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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.
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Count of DYK Hooks | ||
Section | # of Hooks | # Verified |
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June 13 | 1 | |
June 21 | 1 | 1 |
July 1 | 1 | 1 |
July 2 | 1 | |
July 6 | 1 | |
July 11 | 1 | |
July 12 | 2 | 1 |
July 13 | 2 | 1 |
July 14 | 1 | |
July 15 | 2 | |
July 21 | 1 | |
July 24 | 1 | |
July 27 | 1 | 1 |
July 28 | 1 | 1 |
July 29 | 2 | 1 |
July 30 | 5 | 5 |
August 2 | 1 | |
August 3 | 1 | 1 |
August 4 | 3 | |
August 5 | 3 | 2 |
August 6 | 4 | 2 |
August 7 | 5 | 3 |
August 8 | 5 | 2 |
August 9 | 1 | 1 |
August 10 | 3 | 3 |
August 11 | 1 | |
August 12 | 4 | 3 |
August 13 | 8 | 7 |
August 14 | 3 | 2 |
August 15 | 4 | 3 |
August 16 | 4 | 4 |
August 17 | 4 | 3 |
August 18 | 5 | 2 |
August 19 | 7 | 6 |
August 20 | 6 | 1 |
August 21 | 3 | 2 |
August 22 | 4 | 3 |
August 23 | 7 | 6 |
August 24 | 6 | 5 |
August 25 | 4 | 2 |
August 26 | 7 | 4 |
August 27 | 8 | 6 |
August 28 | 1 | |
Total | 136 | 85 |
Last updated 18:46, 28 August 2021 UTC Current time is 18:51, 28 August 2021 UTC [refresh] |
Instructions for nominators
Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).
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How to review a nomination
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
- Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
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This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).
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How to remove a rejected hook
- Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
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- Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
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- Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
- Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
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- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on June 13
Textile performance
![Burberry advertisement for waterproof gabardine suit, 1908.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210828185602im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Burberry_advertisement_angling_suite_of_gabardine_fabric_1908.jpg/110px-Burberry_advertisement_angling_suite_of_gabardine_fabric_1908.jpg)
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that performance is the serviceability of textiles (pictured) that withstand various conditions, environments, and hazards?Source: Kadolph, Sara J. (1998). Textiles. Upper Saddle River, New Jersey: Bobbs-Merrill Company. pp. 9, 11, 22, 23, 25, 392, 408, 407. ISBN 978-0-13-494592-7 – via Internet Archive.- ALT1:... that in terms of performance, wool has been advertised as a "miracle fabric"? [[1]], [[2]][[3]][[4]][[5]]:14
- ALT2:... that in terms of performance, wool has been advertised as a "miracle fabric" as it naturally possesses a variety of functional properties, including stretch, warmth, water absorption, flame retardance, and the ability to wick away body moisture? [[6]],, [[7]] [Source] [[8]][[9]][[10]]:14
- ALT3:...the textiles' performance characteristics make them suited for their end-use? Source::346
- ALT4:...that specific finishing methods, functional finishes, fit, and product design can all be used to improve a textile product's overall performance, allowing it to achieve higher performance levels? [Source]:9,10,11,[Source]:1
- ALT5:... that in terms of performance, wool is the only natural fiber that offers a variety of functional properties, including stretch, warmth, water absorption, flame retardance, and the ability to wick away body moisture? [[11]],, [[12]] [Source] [[13]][[14]][[15]]:14
- ALT1:... that in terms of performance, wool has been advertised as a "miracle fabric"? [[1]], [[2]][[3]][[4]][[5]]:14
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hamadryas glauconome
- Comment:
There is a pending AFD, that will be successfully resolved,There was an AFD that resulted in a KEEP, so that a review and promotion can proceed in due course.
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk), Dicklyon (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Performance (textiles)
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- Sure. See WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Why would anybody nominate this bucket of gomutra for people to actually see how awful it is? Why am I listed as a creator, I didn't create this rubbish. Why can I not comment in this subject on the talk page of the article, where it appears? please unnominate this
articlecollection of disparate factoids for DYK. Thanks. -Roxy . wooF 10:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)- Your true colors are showing. Alone, you wanted the article deleted, and
otherseveryone else disagreed. I removed your name, per your request. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Your true colors are showing. Alone, you wanted the article deleted, and
- Why would anybody nominate this bucket of gomutra for people to actually see how awful it is? Why am I listed as a creator, I didn't create this rubbish. Why can I not comment in this subject on the talk page of the article, where it appears? please unnominate this
- Sure. See WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Earwig indicates that there's a bit too much close paraphrase so more copy-editing is needed.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting:
- It seems rather dull so I suggest casting the net wider. For example, "In terms of performance, wool is something of a miracle fabric."
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- Why no picture? We ought to be able to find something appropriate.
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: There's some concern about the article title which might need thrashing out to ensure stability. "Textile performance" would be my suggestion. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have no objection to renaming the article. Should that be brought up at the article's talk page? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Close paraphrasing and copyvio has been a historical problem with the original creator of this article. A proposal to rename the article has already been made on the article Talk page. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 21:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sour grapes. Your proposals are unrelated with the sources. We can go with Andrew's suggestion. RV (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Earwig is clear. The only thing it highlights is a quote about Gabardine. We could add that picture (the historic ad) to the DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sour grapes. Your proposals are unrelated with the sources. We can go with Andrew's suggestion. RV (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: are you still working on this review? It looks like there were some additions made to the article at the beginning of the month but nothing since so it's fairly stable. The article isn't nominated for deletion and the title is fine (even if not your preferred title) so there's no reason for this nomination to be on hold. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- User:Andrew Davidson I have proposed an ALT, inserted a picture. Are we GTG? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 07:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The picture looks great for this topic – well done! I'll take another look through the article – more anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The ALT1 hook does not go well with the picture because the Burberry combination pictured seems to have been a cotton gabardine outer with a woolen lining. We might perhaps use the original hook but I reckon something more specific would be better. See this case study which explains how Burberry started with performance clothing. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The picture looks great for this topic – well done! I'll take another look through the article – more anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Andrew In this context, Burberrry Gabardine is treated worsted wool, perhaps with some cotton, and definitely with lanolin. The ad itself says, "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" I think. So I submit the picture and the hook align. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- I would support Andrew Davidson's suggestion for an article rename to "Textile performance requirements" though "Fitness for purpose", i.e. what the article is about, would be better. Can this be dealt with before the DYK goes wherever it goes? I also note that there is no clarity as to the composition of gabardine in anything written here. Cotton? wool? lanolin? what knowledge are we going to impart to DYK readers? Will it be accurate, or do we not care? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Read the preceding post. Renaming the article is fine. That should be addessed at the article talk page, however. "A rose by any other name ..." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The preceding post, which you wrote, says "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" which doesn't pass muster, so again I ask what is the composition of gabardine, Cotton? wool? lanolin? (hint: Lanolin would not be required as a component in the UK garment labelling requirements, so you just need to clarify what gabardine consists of. I'll wait in this shallow grave shall I? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- You could do this yourself, but that would be too much to ask. So I won't. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Following the above response, this article is clearly unsuitable for DYK. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- You could do this yourself, but that would be too much to ask. So I won't. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The preceding post, which you wrote, says "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" which doesn't pass muster, so again I ask what is the composition of gabardine, Cotton? wool? lanolin? (hint: Lanolin would not be required as a component in the UK garment labelling requirements, so you just need to clarify what gabardine consists of. I'll wait in this shallow grave shall I? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Read the preceding post. Renaming the article is fine. That should be addessed at the article talk page, however. "A rose by any other name ..." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Repetition doesn't make your observations any more persuasive. You said that before, and your colors are showing again. A leopard can't change its spots. And Ipse dixit doesn't apply. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Here is the answer. "What is Gabardine – Fabric Guide, Uses and Care". and Varley, Rosemary; Roncha, Ana; Radclyffe-Thomas, Natascha; Gee, Liz (2018). CASE STUDY 10: Burberry and brand development and retail. Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach. United Kingdom: Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 208. ISBN 9781137508195. ISBN 1137508191. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment They appear with a new perspective/question each time.I do not like it.Rubbish, Bucket of Gomutracollection of disparate factoidsDYK! What is that?RV (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- The mysteries of gabardine now revealed.
- In its earliest forms, worsted wool or a blend of it and cotton were used. It was weaved to achieve smoothness on one side and ribs on the other. When tightly woven, it became a twill fabric used in men's suits and trousers. "The fabric became a favorite among many because it can hold its shape and does not wrinkle too easily."[1][2]
- "What makes gabardine unique is the fabric's ability to be water-resistant and breathable at the same time. It's also an extremely tough fabric which made it perfect for military use. Not only were officers wearing a trench coat able to stay comparatively dry in the trenches during rain, thanks to the breathability of gabardine, but the coats also did not make them sweat and dehydrate in hot and humid temperatures either."[3] 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Please take a few moments to finish; the name has already been updated to Textile performance. Thanks RV (talk) 04:39, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- comment everyone in the comments should please remember remain civil and polite—we're all here to make wikipedia a better place, after all theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I've taken another look and there is still more to be done. There were three issues in my review above.
There is still too much close paraphrase, as reported by Earwig. For example, the para "When it was waterproofed with lanolin before it was woven, it became popular with polar explorers like Ernest Shackleton, who led an expedition in 1914 to cross Antarctica, and Roald Amundsen, who is renowned for being the first man to get to the South pole."
The ALT1 and ALT2 hooks are interesting enough.
The Burberry picture is good but requires too much extrapolation or synthesis to work with the ALT1 hook. As most DYKs don't go in the picture slot, I suggest that we proceed without a picture to keep things simple.
So, please focus on cleaning up the close paraphrase issues.
Andrew🐉(talk) 07:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Hi! Most of the contents highlighted by Earvig are quoted. Is that not acceptable with the policy MOS:QUOTE, or Wikipedia:Moral rights. Please correct me if I am wrong. thanks RV (talk) 10:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- The quote about gabardine and the South Pole was put in to address the purported concerns about the picture and answer the content and uses of gabardine. It is limited and fair use. I removed it. With respect, this is getting silly and needlessly tendentious. And horribly prolonged. Two months along, and pregnant with possibilities. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Hi! Most of the contents highlighted by Earvig are quoted. Is that not acceptable with the policy MOS:QUOTE, or Wikipedia:Moral rights. Please correct me if I am wrong. thanks RV (talk) 10:51, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
The text about gabardine and the South Pole is not a quote nor is it acceptable fair use in my view. And it is still in the article so I am going to remove it now to resolve the issue.
- When I was working on this just now, Earwig was giving another major alert about another page and I spent some time puzzling over that. I can't put the URL here because it's in the xyz domain which seems to be in a blacklist. My impression is that that was a spam site using text from our clothing article which has also been edited by RAJIVVASUDEV with similar phrasing and so that's probably ok. And, in any case, Earwig is not reporting the xyz site now and so the article text now seems reasonably free of such issues. But, it's worth mentioning in case it re-appears.
- Moving on, the ALT1 and ALT2 hooks are reasonable for interest but they don't seem to appear in the article. It's not enough that they appear in external sources. Per WP:DYKRULES, "The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article ...".
- Andrew🐉(talk) 20:33, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Hello! ALT1 and ALT2, hook is included in the article. [[16]]. Kindly check revised ALT2. Thanks RV (talk) 03:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I’m not sure that “miracle fabric” is particularly encyclopaedic in tone. It’s sourced to blurb for a trade fair, advertising copy, and a page in German which returns a 404 message, but also seems to be marketing. I don’t think it should be in Wikipedia’s voice, the most that could be said is that it has been advertised as a “miracle fabric”. It appears to me to fall squarely within WP:PEACOCK. Brunton (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Revised as per your suggestion. Thanks RV (talk) 08:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, my suggestion would be to remove “miracle fabric” altogether, per WP:PEACOCK. Advertisers using hyperbolic language is not particularly remarkable, and Wikipedia is not a place to repeat advertising claims. And the paragraph about the properties of wool really needs to be sourced from sources that are not concerned with marketing. Brunton (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Brunton FYI wool is a generic name, we are not promoting wool. The article is about the attributes. The properties are inherent WP:Sky is blue. And the terminology 'miracle fabric' is not a patented thing we cannot use as we have used. You see When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers into wanting to read the article. I can add more sources, but those will be without the word 'miracle' which may not work. What do you think? RV (talk) 09:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think that if we can’t cite independent WP:RS calling wool a “miracle fabric” then it shouldn’t be in the article, and it certainly shouldn’t be on the front page. Brunton (talk) 09:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reliable sources calling wool a miracle fabric added. Thanks RV (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- The sources recently added seem to be a page on the Woolmark website that doesn’t, as far as I can see, actually include the word “miracle”, a page on Science Direct saying “Topic not found”, and a book about fashion saying, “the way I see it, wool is a miracle fabric.” Certainly not something we should be putting in Wikipedia’s voice, and still falling foul of WP: PEACOCK in any case. Brunton (talk) 09:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Consider them for properties for the word miracle [terms of performance, wool is something of a miracle fabric. ] RV (talk) 10:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- That gives a 404 error as well. Brunton (talk) 10:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Source details The Guardian Article Sustainability and performance in textiles: can you have it all? by Deidre Hoguet on Thu 10 Apr 2014 11.00 EDT. Another source which says [Merino sheep are celebrated globally for producing the world’s finest, softest and most beautiful wool. Known as nature’s miracle fibre, merino wool also creates a much lower ecological footprint when compared to synthetic materials. ] RV (talk) 11:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Another source that says “Error Page 404”. Brunton (talk) 12:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I’ve found the Guardian article now. Calling wool “something of a miracle fibre” is OK in a Guardian comment piece, but it isn’t really encyclopaedic. As there is no class of fibres or fabrics defined as “miracle” it’s not meaningful enough to be anything more than peacockery as far as the encyclopaedia is concerned. Brunton (talk) 12:29, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- You are twisting your words, I have reliable sources See [[17]]:14. RV (talk) 12:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Please try again tomorrow" -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I was anticipating your arrival, and here you are. RV (talk) 12:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- The last couple of sources presented are slightly better than the marketing copy previously cited, but don’t do anything to address the point that it’s the sort of language that WP:PEACOCK tells us to avoid. Brunton (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean by slightly better?The sources are reliable, verifiable and independent. Thanks RV (talk) 16:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- For what it’s worth, one appears to be a trade journal, so likely to be positive about the products with which it is concerned, the other is using the term in the course of an argument for using wool in the interests of sustainability. But do you have anything to say about the WP:PEACOCK issue? Brunton (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- FYI, there are no forbidden words or expressions on Wikipedia. At first, your words were the most that could be said is that it has been advertised as a “miracle fabric”. And we graciously accepted the same thing and all revised." Then you were not connected to the sources, now WP: PEACOCK. Do you have anything to say about the WP:DYKHOOK? If the sources are clearly referring wool as miracle fiber. What's holding you back from agreeing? RV (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- My first word on the matter was that I don’t think the language used is encyclopaedic or in compliance with the MOS guidelines. I haven’t seen anything to change this. Brunton (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- You mean these are not your words the most that could be said is that it has been advertised as a miracle fabric? Sources support 'miracle' a ligate word for wool. Moreover there are no forbidden words or expressions on Wikipedia. That is all. RV (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Those are my words, but they need to be read in context, and with the understanding that “the most that could be said is” does not mean “we should say”. Brunton (talk) 17:45, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- We will prefer to respect the sources. And advise the same to you. The word miracle is not censored. An advertisement of the 20th century, Society Brand “A miracle fabric with remarkable properties of softness and long wear, and which makes the extrusion of chemical fibers unnecessary, has been successfully raised on the skin of a herbivorous quadruped and is being used in considerable quantity in 1963 Society Brand sports coats. As yet, we have no special trade name for it. We just call it WOOL.”[4]:3. RV (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Those are my words, but they need to be read in context, and with the understanding that “the most that could be said is” does not mean “we should say”. Brunton (talk) 17:45, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- You mean these are not your words the most that could be said is that it has been advertised as a miracle fabric? Sources support 'miracle' a ligate word for wool. Moreover there are no forbidden words or expressions on Wikipedia. That is all. RV (talk) 17:23, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- My first word on the matter was that I don’t think the language used is encyclopaedic or in compliance with the MOS guidelines. I haven’t seen anything to change this. Brunton (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- FYI, there are no forbidden words or expressions on Wikipedia. At first, your words were the most that could be said is that it has been advertised as a “miracle fabric”. And we graciously accepted the same thing and all revised." Then you were not connected to the sources, now WP: PEACOCK. Do you have anything to say about the WP:DYKHOOK? If the sources are clearly referring wool as miracle fiber. What's holding you back from agreeing? RV (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- For what it’s worth, one appears to be a trade journal, so likely to be positive about the products with which it is concerned, the other is using the term in the course of an argument for using wool in the interests of sustainability. But do you have anything to say about the WP:PEACOCK issue? Brunton (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- What do you mean by slightly better?The sources are reliable, verifiable and independent. Thanks RV (talk) 16:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Please try again tomorrow" -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- You are twisting your words, I have reliable sources See [[17]]:14. RV (talk) 12:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Source details The Guardian Article Sustainability and performance in textiles: can you have it all? by Deidre Hoguet on Thu 10 Apr 2014 11.00 EDT. Another source which says [Merino sheep are celebrated globally for producing the world’s finest, softest and most beautiful wool. Known as nature’s miracle fibre, merino wool also creates a much lower ecological footprint when compared to synthetic materials. ] RV (talk) 11:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- That gives a 404 error as well. Brunton (talk) 10:56, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Consider them for properties for the word miracle [terms of performance, wool is something of a miracle fabric. ] RV (talk) 10:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- The sources recently added seem to be a page on the Woolmark website that doesn’t, as far as I can see, actually include the word “miracle”, a page on Science Direct saying “Topic not found”, and a book about fashion saying, “the way I see it, wool is a miracle fabric.” Certainly not something we should be putting in Wikipedia’s voice, and still falling foul of WP: PEACOCK in any case. Brunton (talk) 09:57, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reliable sources calling wool a miracle fabric added. Thanks RV (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think that if we can’t cite independent WP:RS calling wool a “miracle fabric” then it shouldn’t be in the article, and it certainly shouldn’t be on the front page. Brunton (talk) 09:26, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Brunton FYI wool is a generic name, we are not promoting wool. The article is about the attributes. The properties are inherent WP:Sky is blue. And the terminology 'miracle fabric' is not a patented thing we cannot use as we have used. You see When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers into wanting to read the article. I can add more sources, but those will be without the word 'miracle' which may not work. What do you think? RV (talk) 09:11, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, my suggestion would be to remove “miracle fabric” altogether, per WP:PEACOCK. Advertisers using hyperbolic language is not particularly remarkable, and Wikipedia is not a place to repeat advertising claims. And the paragraph about the properties of wool really needs to be sourced from sources that are not concerned with marketing. Brunton (talk) 08:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Revised as per your suggestion. Thanks RV (talk) 08:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- I’m not sure that “miracle fabric” is particularly encyclopaedic in tone. It’s sourced to blurb for a trade fair, advertising copy, and a page in German which returns a 404 message, but also seems to be marketing. I don’t think it should be in Wikipedia’s voice, the most that could be said is that it has been advertised as a “miracle fabric”. It appears to me to fall squarely within WP:PEACOCK. Brunton (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Hello! ALT1 and ALT2, hook is included in the article. [[16]]. Kindly check revised ALT2. Thanks RV (talk) 03:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@Andrew The said issues are resolved now for instance [Earvig] is clear and hooks are included in the article. Please see if there is anything else that needs to be addressed? Thanks RV (talk) 05:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "What is Gabardine – Fabric Guide, Uses and Care".
- ^ Varley, Rosemary; Roncha, Ana; Radclyffe-Thomas, Natascha; Gee, Liz (2018). CASE STUDY 10: Burberry and brand development and retail. Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach. United Kingdom: Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 208. ISBN 978-1-137-50819-5. ISBN 1137508191.
- ^ Tung, Christen (4 July 2020). "Burberry: What Makes the Luxury Brand So Unique?". Maggwire. Retrieved June 21, 2021.
- ^ The National Wool Grower 1963-05: Vol 53 Iss 5. Internet Archive. American Sheep Industry Association. May 1963.CS1 maint: others (link)
Articles created/expanded on July 2
Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis
- ... that the fixed anvil temperature hypothesis states that anvil clouds (pictured) warm less than Earth's surface and that this may have effects on global climate?
- Reviewed: Robert Corrigan
Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 3 July 2021 (UTC).
Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- We seem to be at the frontiers of science with this topic and so the extent to which such sources can be considered reliable is debatable. I'd prefer a MEDRS level of sourcing – reviews or other statements of general consensus.
- Neutral:
- The article says that the hypothesis is "widely accepted" but that's not quite my impression. The source for that para says that it's popular but then proceeds to argue against it.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- The hook's expression "anvil clouds warm less than Earth's surface" is an over-simplication which distorts the hypothesis. As I understand it, the hypothesis is that anvil clouds tend to top out in a fixed way, you'd get more of them with general warming and so there's a positive feedback. Expressing this succinctly and accurately in a hook seems difficult.
- Interesting:
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- Used in article:
- The photo and caption in the article is somewhat misleading as "Hector the Convector" forms over the Tiwi Islands rather than the mainland. I find this cloud to be quite interesting and so it's worth providing a link to it.
- Clear at 100px:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: I'm tempted to edit the article myself but will give the nominator some space first... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Jo-Jo Eumerus, Andrew Davidson, it's been three weeks since the review and I don't see any article edits; where does this nomination stand? Jo-Jo Eumerus, please note that responding inside that DYK checklist template can prevent the approved nomination from being moved by the bot to the Approved page; I'd like to suggest that you move your comments so they are below the template (either just above or just below this comment), so their placement doesn't cause issues down the road. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, moved my comments to all the red issues here:
- According to Web of Science, this is the only review article available. There is also this IPCC report which mentions it. You are not going to get an useful article out of only review articles, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- That wouldn't be a very high-weight objection, then, since it'd be backed by only one paper. From reading the rest of the literature I get the impression that only the two refinements discussed but they apparently haven't caught on yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- No, the hypothesis is precisely that anvil clouds don't warm if Earth's surface does. Their total volume is a different theory altogether. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Changed the caption, but I am not sure if the image description is enough of a source for the caption to say "Hector". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew Davidson, please continue the review, now that Jo-Jo Eumerus has addressed the issues you raised. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:47, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, moved my comments to all the red issues here:
- The nominator does not seem to have addressed the issues; just disagreed with them. My views are unchanged so we have an impasse. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't agree that MEDRS-level sourcing is needed for this one - for one thing, it's not a matter of life and death. And I disagree on the other issues, too. I dunno, what's the procedure when nominator and reviewer of a DYK disagree on an issue? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: if it's intractable, the nominator can request a second opinion using {{subst:DYK?again}}
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- To clarify the procedural issue, WP:DYKHOOK states that "The hook should refer to established facts that are unlikely to change...". An unproven and uncertain hypothesis is, by its nature, not well-established. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- The hook, though, isn't about whether the clouds warm or not, but about the hypothesis itself. Its definition is unlikely to change. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: and @Andrew Davidson: Just weighing in here with my two cents. Could we change it to something like this so it seems less authoritative?
- ALT1:... "that the fixed anvil temperature hypothesis proposes that anvil clouds (pictured) do not remove excess radiation as the Earth's surface temperature increases?"
- We don't have to go with this exact hook (I'm sure I'm not really grasping the science-y bit). But maybe a hook that emphasizes that it's just a hypothesis would be a good middleground? BuySomeApples (talk) 01:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- A bit more technical than the original, but it works I think. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- We don't have to go with this exact hook (I'm sure I'm not really grasping the science-y bit). But maybe a hook that emphasizes that it's just a hypothesis would be a good middleground? BuySomeApples (talk) 01:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 6
Cornelia Chase Brant
![Cornelia Chase Brant when she was dean of her college](https://web.archive.org/web/20210828185602im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/ff/Cornelia_Chase_Brant.jpg/122px-Cornelia_Chase_Brant.jpg)
- ... that Nellie Chase (pictured) dreamed of becoming a doctor and did not go to medical college until she was 35 but rose to become its head?
- Reviewed: Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis
- Comment: For confirmation of the hook, see sources such as the NYT : [18];[19]
5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC).
Article looks good and well sourced, eligible for DYK. However, I think the hook might need some work: it would be helpful to name her institution (New York Medical College and Hospital for Women), as well as make it more clear that she became the dean at the same college she studied at, because the phrases "go to medical college" and "rose to become its head" are very vague. I'm also not sure whether it would be accurate to call her "its head"; it says in the article that she became dean of the college, which may or may not be the title for the head of the college, but it is not clarified in any of the sources as to whether this is the case. Otherwise, I think this article is ready for DYK.alphalfalfa(talk) 04:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Nominator has not responded to the concerns raised above despite a talk page notification and activity elsewhere. If they are able to respond after this comment, the nomination can continue, but otherwise this is marked for closure Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have been quite busy lately. Here's responses to the points made above:
- I don't agree that we should add the full name of the college to the hook as it is 8 words and this seems too wordy for a hook which is already quite lengthy.
- Saying that she was the head of the college seems clearer than saying that she was Dean, as the latter is a specialist rank whose status will be less familiar to our general readership
- Her position as the head appears in the article in the paragraph starting "Brant became dean of the school in 1914. In 1915, as leader of the college..." which is supported by The Evening World "Woman Head of Women's Medical College...".
- I'll make another pass through the article to sharpen up this detail.
Please take another look. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not a review but I do think the hook as-written needs work. Propose ALT1:
... that although she did not start college until the age of 35, Nellie Chase (pictured) eventually became the institution's head?Kingsif (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)- It probably needs a link to the institution in question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Right now there are also other issues. The entire first paragraph of the Early life section is unreferenced, there's a citation needed tag in one statement, and the fact about her becoming dean is lacking a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:37, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I cleaned up the article before and have done so again so that it is free of tags and all paragraphs are cited. I shall keep a closer watch on it to maintain and develop it further but it's a busy time with Wikimania and the 20th anniversary. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, please check to see whether the issues you had have been addressed. I've made a few edits to the article; I can find sources identifying her as "dean" but not "head", so that has been changed. My feeling is that a link to the institution in question would not be helpful, but if people want to go there, they can from Nellie's article. Finally, I've struck both hooks, though I've based ALT2 on ALT1: that it's medical college is more interesting than the unidentified college, and while lots of people start late, it's especially impressive if it's a woman, medical college, and back in 1898.
- ALT2: ... that although she did not start medical college until the age of 35 in 1898, Nellie Chase (pictured) eventually became the institution's dean? —BlueMoonset (talk) 03:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know, the wording sounds strange. "Starting medical college" is kind of vague and could simply mean "studying at a medical college" rather than studying at a specific one, and the "institution" wording is very vague and doesn't easily clarify that the point is that she became the head of the college she studied at. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- I cleaned up the article before and have done so again so that it is free of tags and all paragraphs are cited. I shall keep a closer watch on it to maintain and develop it further but it's a busy time with Wikimania and the 20th anniversary. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not a review but I do think the hook as-written needs work. Propose ALT1:
- lastAlt?... that Nellie Chase (pictured) led New York Medical College even though she had only qualified there in her late 30s?
- one shot try to clear this nom which is stuck for no good reason (IMO)? Victuallers (talk) 07:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- As stated above, her role as the head of the college is supported by The Evening World "Woman Head of Women's Medical College...". The thing to understand is that this was quite a small institution and the Dean was the top executive. People seem confused because larger American universities now commonly have an executive President but this was not the case with this medical college. To avoid this confusion, it seems best to describe her as the head -- the person who was in charge. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- That was my "last alt" .... I cannot gather the energy to argue the difference between the head of something and the person who leads it. If the difference in meaning was larger I still wouldn't. My alt was intended to unlock this long standing nomination. Victuallers (talk) 10:55, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, let me give it a try. Would any of these work?
- ALT1A: ...that Cornelia Chase Brant started medical training after persuading her husband to let her, and she later became dean of the New York Medical College and Hospital for Women?
- ALT2A: ...that Cornelia Chase Brant, dean of the New York Medical College and Hospital for Women, didn't start medical training until her youngest child was seven?
- ALT3A: ...that Cornelia Chase Brant, dean of the New York Medical College and Hospital for Women, didn't start medical training until her husband persuaded her? Epicgenius (talk) 16:16, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Epicgenius, I thought the article said that she persuaded her husband to let her, not that he persuaded her to do it... BlueMoonset (talk) 01:52, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- Whoops. I have fixed that. Thanks for the catch BlueMoonset. Epicgenius (talk) 12:51, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, let me give it a try. Would any of these work?
@Andrew Davidson: any of those alts work for you? You're the nominator at the moment theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- These ALTs are all variations on the original hook, making the point that she trained as a doctor as a mature student and rose to become the head of her college. The difference is the details. I still prefer the original for the following reasons:
- The name of the subject is given as "Nellie Chase". This was her name as a girl when, per her notable biography Dream Within Her Hand, she dreamed of becoming a doctor. The name is short and girlish which tries to convey this early phase of her life.
- The college is not named and linked because it is not the subject and the purpose of the hook is to focus attention on the subject, not other topics. The name is also lengthy and not easy to parse and digest at a quick glance
- The word head rather than dean is used as discussed above – to emphasise that this was the .top executive position – that from a late start she rose to the top.
- I am attending an online Women in Red editathon today and will give the article some more thought and attention then. More anon.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 09:07, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- The issue here Andrew was never the hook fact, it was the hook wording. And not mentioning or at least linking to the college in this case has led to very vague hook proposals that don't really read well. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:19, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- If no agreement can be reached on a hook, unfortunately the nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Given that no consensus has been reached on a hook wording (other than there being loose consensus against the original hook proposals), it appears that the nomination has reached a point where it can no longer move forward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 11
Pisanhari Ki Marhia
- ... that a Jain temple campus sprawling across 18 acres named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) is a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed a one room temple by saving money from milling flours in 1442 CE? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.
Created by Loveallwiki (talk) and Pratyk321 (talk). Nominated by Loveallwiki (talk) at 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC).
- FYI: I have requested Guild of Copy Editors to help in improving the quality of writing in articles. Pratyk321 (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Loveallwiki:, I have rephrased the hook. Please let me know your thoughts on this? Pratyk321 (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Pratyk321:, Good, i have modified it a little to emphasize the notability due to vintage and present expanse. pl have a look.LoveAll (talk). 06:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Loveallwiki: We're not looking to say everything in the hook, just need to mention something interesting that readers will click on to find out more. Let's keep both hooks. The reviewer can help us decide the best-suited hook. Thanks and regards Pratyk321 (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0a ... that a Jain temple named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) as a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed the temple by saving money from milling flours? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.
- ALT1a ... that one room temple of Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) constructed by an poor old lady by saving money from milling flours now spreads over 18 acres (73,000 m2) complex? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.Mitra, Swati (2008). Jabalpur, City Guide (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9788187780731.
- OK. please submit. thanks and regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loveallwiki (talk • contribs) 11:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset: I hope it's alright if I take this DYK for review. Isabelle 🔔 03:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Isabelle, you're welcome to pick any nomination you wish to review. Please go ahead. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@Loveallwiki: Alrighty! First the basics: the article was posted for review on 16 July, so within 7 days of being moved to main space; it has not been featured previously; and at 1907 characters it is long enough. Concerning the sources, I don't have access to some of them, while others that I do have access are in Hindi, so I'll assume good faith here. I did notice two issues, though. One of the sentences in "History" does not appear to be sourced (and could use with better phrasing):
The woman who does this work is called "Pisanhari" and "Marhia" is a very small temple generally consisting of a single room. That is why the temple is called "Pisanhari ki Marhia" (Temple of Pisanhari).
This appear to be stated as a matter of fact, but I'd like a source on this. Also, source number 5 (the website that rings a loud bell when you load it) appears to be a WP:UCG sort of website, if that's the case, it's not a reliable source and should be avoided. Aside from these two main issues, the article is in desperate need of copy-editing. I'll await an answer from the nominator. Isabelle 🔔 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 12
M1 (İzmir Metro)
- ... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, entered into service in 2000? Source: Consisting of 10 stations, it began service on 22 May 2000.[1]
- ALT1:... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, is still in the process of being extended? Source: Work on the 7.2 km (4.5 mi) long Fahrettin Altay–Kaymakamlık extension to the west began on 9 June 2018 and are planned to be finished in October 2022, at a cost of ₺1.027 billion.[2]
- ALT2:... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, is 19.8 km (12.3 mi) long? Source: [3]
- ALT3 ... that the tenders for extension of M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, has been cancelled several times? Source:
The İzmir Metropolitan Municipality sent a cease and desist letter to the company on 14 February 2006, and subsequently cancelled the tender in November 2006.[4]
- The tender was cancelled on 13 August 2009 after the contractor had requested a 15-month extension.[5]
- ... but it was again cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority due to unspecified reasons.[4]
- A new tender was issued in October 2009 to finish the remaining work. However, that tender was cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority.[6]
- A third tender was made in April 2010, but it was cancelled by the municipality after the court reverted the cancellation of the second tender. The municipality signed an agreement with the winner of the second tender but the agreement was reverted after the high court reversed the decision of lower court about the second tender. A fourth tender was issued in August 2010 and construction started in September.[7]
- ALT4 ... that the construction of M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, has stopped because the contractor company couldn't finish the construction on time and requested 12 months more? Source: The construction was fully stopped in 2008 after the contractor could not finish the extension and requested 12 months more, which was refused.[8]
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: This is my first nomination to DYK, so if I made any mistakes, feel free to give feedback.
Improved to Good Article status by Ahmetlii (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC).
- Non reviewer comment Hi, I've had the page on my watchlist due to my copyedit from a while back. Just popping in to say that none of these hooks are really that interesting; they are more trivial facts about the line. Something that could be more interesting is the many cancellations and re-approval of the tenders, as that is unusual. :) — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 15:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- All of the non-English sources need to have translated titles. A few seem to be blogs, so an expert in the region should double-check them for reliability.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
- The article is in need of a major cleanup. More below.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- None of the hooks given are particularly suited for DYK, though the cancellations could be spun into a proper hook with some work.
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px. |
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: I don't think this article is ready for DYK, and it probably shouldn't have been passed at GAN in its current state. There are a lot of grammatical issues that need to be fixed, some sources may need to be replaced with reliable versions, and quite a few essential sections (frequency, ridership, a route description, more detailed fare information, technical details only found in the infobox) are missing from the prose. SounderBruce 04:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I've seen it just now, thanks for notifying me via talk page message. Anyway, here is my clarifications about some of the issues addressed above:
- About sources, I think that the sources are complying with the guidelines. If you meant the line operator's website or the municipality website by saying "A few seem to be blogs", I think it is under acceptable usage per WP:PRIMARY. I also didn't know that translation of the source titles are a primary requisite, however I am willing to translate the citation titles on the page (I guess I have missed that point before). I've asked for a reviewer for sources on WikiProject Turkey.
- On cleanup per grammar, the article has been copyedited before both by a reviewer and myself, however if I or the reviewer have missed something about the grammar, please let me know by detailing where is the issue.
- I've seen it just now, thanks for notifying me via talk page message. Anyway, here is my clarifications about some of the issues addressed above:
Hi @Ahmetlii: It's been two weeks and it doesn't look like any of the above changes have been made and no new hooks are ready. It's OK if you can't get to them right now, but we'll have to mark this nomination for closure soon if they haven't been fixed. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "İzmir Metro A.Ş. Tanıtım Kitabı" (PDF). İzmir Metro A.Ş. Archived (PDF) from the original on 5 July 2010. Retrieved 26 July 2014.
- ^ "Büyükşehir'den 'milyarlık' yatırım" (in Turkish). İzmir Büyükşehir Belediyesi. 10 June 2018. Archived from the original on 14 June 2018. Retrieved 10 June 2018.
- ^ "İzmir Metro A.Ş. Stratejik Planı 2020–2024" (PDF). İzmir Metro A.Ş. 2019. Archived (PDF) from the original on 10 November 2019. Retrieved 10 November 2019.
- ^ a b "İzmirlinin bitmeyen metro çilesi". Evrensel. Retrieved 30 April 2021.
- ^ "Üçyol-Üçkuyular hattı bitmiyor". mimdap.org. Retrieved 30 April 2021.
- ^ "Metro ihalesi tamam". Yeni Asır. 23 April 2010. Retrieved 4 July 2021.
- ^ "BORNOVA METROSU'NDA MUTLU SON". www.izmirmetro.com.tr. İZMİR METRO A.Ş. Retrieved 4 May 2021.
- ^ "Büyükşehir tünel için düğmeye bastı". Hürriyet. 8 October 2014. Archived from the original on 14 March 2016. Retrieved 3 January 2016.
Articles created/expanded on July 13
Ni Yulan
- ... that because Ni Yulan (pictured) filmed the forced eviction of a neighbor's home in Beijing, she was beaten by the PRC's police for 15 hours and consequently maimed? [1]
- ALT1:... that after Ni Yulan's (pictured) home was forcibly demolished to make way for the 2008 Beijing Olympics, she was arrested and beaten by the PRC's police at the Xinjiekou Police Station until she lost consciousness? [1]
Improved to Good Article status by Thomas Meng (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to Good Article status on March 2, 2021 and nominated for DYK July 13, 2021. The nomination was not sufficiently sooner after promotion to Good Article status to be eligible for DYK. Hanjaf1 (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hanjaf1, it looks like it was nominated for GA on March 2, the review began on June 11, and it became a GA on July 12. (The date on {{GA nominee}} was left in place when it was changed to {{GA}}. I've now fixed that.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, the article and nomination are within guidelines. The hooks are appropriately sourced, but I would prefer a more mainstream media source than Human Rights Watch, since the facts have been reported worldwide. Hanjaf1 (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- The second hook is 203 characters. Hanjaf1 (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
@Hanjaf1 and Thomas Meng: Just to confirm, this is a full approval? Regarding hook length, "PRC's" can be removed from both hooks, which brings the hooks under the character limit and is unnecessary given Beijing is mentioned. Further, are there no other hooks that don't focus on her injuries? This is a living person, so it is worth considering if that is the best item to focus on, especially as it hides what per the page is quite a career. CMD (talk) 14:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
@Hanjaf1, Thomas Meng, and Chipmunkdavis: Further to that comment, I haven't seen any conviction of the police in the sources, so per WP:BLPCRIME that best we can say is "alleged", I think. What else can we say about her. Kingsif (talk) 03:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b "China: Beaten Activist to Be Tried on Eve of Olympics". Human Rights Watch. Retrieved 13 July 2021.
Articles created/expanded on July 14
Alfred Fischer Hall
- ... that the Alfred Fischer Hall, built as the machinery hall for a 1912 coal mine by architect Alfred Fischer, was the venue for Beethoven's Fidelio in 2021 (pictured)? Source: several
- Reviewed: Church Missions House
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. The fact that it was built as a machinery hall for a coal mine needs to have its relevant reference duplicated after the sentence. Personally I think its past as a machinery hall is more interesting than it being the site of a premiere, and as such I'd suggest that the hook focus solely on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- When it was the machinery hall it wasn't yet an Alfred Fischer Hall. The name is the name of the present-day event venue, and the best way of saying what kind of venue seems to name a prominent performance held there, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- "Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's all correct, but could still mean a much lower scale, such as poetry readings and meetings of rabbit-raisers clubs. The grandeur of the place is better pictured than described vaguely, and the image needs to connect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pleading: that the event could be held as part of a festival in 2021 was extraordinary. "Der Mut in Hamm ist fast einzigartig" Courage in Hamm is almost unique. Why not this latest uplifting news on top of the historic architecture? DYK ... that soprano Irma Beilke appeared as Marzelline in Beethoven's Fidelio on 4 September 1945 in the first opera performance in Berlin after World War II? (22 December 2019) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- "Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 15
Osa Maliki
... that former Communist Party of Indonesia member Osa Maliki later followed an anti-communist policy at the Indonesian National Party?Source for PKI membership: "Anggota PKI. Pernah dihukum pendjara 4 tahun 2 bulan" - "PKI member, imprisoned for 4 years and 2 months" (p76); Source for anti-communist (or anti-PKI) policy: "...like-minded men as Hardi and Osa Maliki, who had felt it necessary to phrase their opposition to the PKI..." (p188)
- Reviewed: Eifuku
Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 09:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC).
- Length, date, sourcing, qpq checks out. However, I find that the wording of the hook doesn't catch the essence here. I'd suggest ALT1: "... that Osa Maliki, a former Communist Party of Indonesia member, cooperated with army commander and religious groups in an anti-communist purge inside the Indonesian National Party?" --Soman (talk) 18:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
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New reviewer needed to complete the review including checking proposed ALT1 hook by first reviewer (original hook has been struck). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
@Juxlos and Soman: Hmmm.. the hook depends of him being a member of the communist party (but the ref won't load) and anti-communist moves which are in the (very long) referenced document (I think) but I cannot (quickly) see where it says anything like "cooperated with army commander and religious groups in an anti-communist purge" in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs)
- @Victuallers: @Soman: Maybe use the original “anti-communist policy” instead? Juxlos (talk) 03:42, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution
... that there is a movement advocating for Kapampangan separatism?- ALT1:... that Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution supported Spain against the rebel Katipuneros?
- Comment: article 1 moved to namespace on 7 June 2021, article 2 on 15 July 2021
Created by SiempreReconozco (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC).
- SiempreReconozco, the nomination and hook for Kapampangan separatism is, unfortunately, completely ineligible for DYK at this time, having been nominated over a month too late. Should the article become a Good Article in the future, it can be renominated within seven days of being approved.
- The nomination for Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution, on the other hand, was nominated in plenty of time, so that nomination can continue. I've removed the separatism article from most of this page; the page should not be moved/renamed even with the removal. I'll call for a reviewer below. In future, unless all the nominated articles can be included in the same hook, please do a separate nomination for each article.
Full review needed of the nominated Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution article, with ALT1 as the relevant hook. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
The broad strokes of this article seem correct. However, there are a few issues that need addressing. First of all, not all of the article is cited, and many parts are cited to entire books. It would be preferable, even if sources are offline, for page numbers to be provided. I find this important here as there are potential neutrality issues with the tone and language. The article reads as a bit sensationalist at parts, and not always exactly in line with the sources. For example, "Kapampangans enlisted into the American army en masse" is supported by this article (although the link is not in the citation), which describe only soldiers from Macabebe, and while it gives numbers I am not sure if "en masse" is the right description. Phrases such as "establish peace and order" are also non-neutral at face value, and some parts of the text treat Pampanga as a thinking entity in itself. The core of the article seems good, so I am not failing this, but it needs a bit of work to get it into main-page shape. Best, CMD (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I have since edited the citations of books to refer to pages and paragraphs. Additionally, I have added supporting sources to the sentence in question. I have also added an explanatory sentence that "American sources describe them as the "Macabebe Scouts", despite coming from all over Pampanga". Lastly, I have edited some language to sound more neutral.SiempreReconozco (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hey SiempreReconozco, that's great, although identifying specific paragraphs is unnecessary. However, there are a few areas that appear unsourced. The second paragraph of Background, and most of the Aftermath sections for example, do not have references attached. There are a couple of other stray bits of information, such as "Many of the latter from Macabebe patrolled the Pampanga River and Candaba Swamp to prevent rebel forces from reaching Pampanga" and "Kapampangan soldiers would capture Emilio Aguinaldo in Isabela and help American forces occupy the country". CMD (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I have sourced the needed areas.SiempreReconozco (talk) 07:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi SiempreReconozco, looking at those new sources in Aftermath, they do not appear to be wp:reliable sources as needed by Wikipedia. If there are no sources, it would not hurt the article to simply remove those areas of text, as they are quite far removed from the Philippine revolution. On neutrality, does the Larkin source specifically use the word "terrorism", and if so could you provide a quote? CMD (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- The nominator hasn't edited in several weeks now. Perhaps Howard the Duck could take a look at the article and see if they could adopt it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:30, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- If this was a new article for DYK (not GA), this is the wrong article that one can nominate for, The article's scope is too broad and it can be hard to satisfy requests for edits... just like what happened here. Mostly for new article DYKs I nominate a specific person, organization or event, not something like this one. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
I see. Given the circumstances, unless another editor decides to adopt this, I'm marking it for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:51, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- If this was a new article for DYK (not GA), this is the wrong article that one can nominate for, The article's scope is too broad and it can be hard to satisfy requests for edits... just like what happened here. Mostly for new article DYKs I nominate a specific person, organization or event, not something like this one. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:37, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 21
Serpent seed
- ... that the serpent seed is a fringe belief that claims the Serpent mated with Eve in the Garden of Eden, and their offspring was Cain?Source: "Christian Identity". Anti-Defamation League. "Many [within Christian Identity] consider Jews to be the Satanic offspring of Eve and the Serpent, while non-whites are "mud peoples" created before Adam and Eve. Its virulent racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are usually accompanied by extreme anti-government sentiments."
- ALT1:... that the Gnostic Gospel of Philip (c. 350) contains a version of serpent seed idea that Eve mated with the Serpent and their offspring was Cain? Source: Gospel of Philip 61:5-10: First adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he (Cain) was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.
5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
- Reviewing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
DYKcheck seems to suggest that the update happened on the 15th, so that's fine. Clearly long enough, no copyvio found. Happy with the topic being on main page, however, I would like the hook to be a bit cleaner, maybe replace "fringe" with "controversial"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Lee Vilenski: nom hasn't responded in the seventeen days, so I'll try and speed this along. Yes, I'd be fine with changing fringe to controversial, but I'm slightly iffy on the sourcing here. Per WP:RSP, the ADL has to be attributed when it labels an organization or person (or ideology). I might be misreading, but I don't think the sourcing is strong enough for DYK? The article sourcing does not appear to be up to snuff either. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
There is consensus that ADL is a generally reliable source, including for topics related to hate groups and extremism in the U.S. There is no consensus that ADL must be attributed in all cases, but there is consensus that the labelling of organisations and individuals by the ADL (particularly as antisemitic) should be attributed.
I'm not sure how these aren't met by giving a vague outline of what the topic is. I think the sourcing is fine for DYK. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:04, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 24
History of the Jews in Odessa
- ... that during the Second World War, Odessa was attacked by the combined forces of Romanian and German troops in August 1941? Source:page 41-60
- ... that Odessa's Rabbi Berish ben Yisrael Usher was beaten to death by several Jews because they were unhappy with the rabbi's strict approach to the observance of Jewish law? Source: [22]
- ... that the Jewish population of southern New Russia had increased by 333% during the period between 1844 to 1880,by 1921 Odessa had the largest Jewish population in Russia.Source:[23] and [24]
Created/expanded by Ratnahastin (talk). Self-nominated at 07:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Too heavily reliant on Zipperstein (and when I say it, I mean it); some quotes left unreferenced; ref #4 (Cambridge Companion of Jewish Music) - I was not able to confirm these words despite having access to the book.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
- See comment
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- See comment
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Let's start from the good news. The article was new enough and long enough at the time of nomination. The article is fairly neutral for me and the fragments seems not to follow the text too closely. The hook is cited. And I would like to commend you for the effort you have done for what indeed a very important topic for Odessa.
- Unfortunately, I've also got bad news, and I've got a lot of it. First, sourcing. The book by Zipperstein is a valuable reference, indeed, but whole subsections relying on one source only (sections: Economic life, Second wave, Galician Jews) is not something I think is good enough to pass the "sourced" requirement. And referenced 19 times, which is almost as much as all other sources combined? No, that's not how I believe it works. Pages cited from books are also needed, or, if the pages aren't available, quotes. Btw, how is it possible that WJC says there are 45K Jews in Odessa when the 2001 census in Ukraine says that Ukraine as a whole has 13.4K?
- Second, the language. Please consider submitting your text to another else prior to publishing, because at times I felt that what you have written wasn't written in English. Try to write in simpler sentences, and other editors with better knowledge of the language will care of the rest (some clarification requests have been put because I can't decipher the sentence as it sounded in the original). Keep particular attention to placing spaces after commas, capitalising names and adjectives of nationalities (Jews, Jewish...) etc. I couldn't help laughing when I came across the fragment which said that Jews had been managing "cockery stores" in Odessa (apparently they were hard-working and yet have constantly been at the cutting edge of cocking about).
- The tone and selection of information is also something that should be fixed. By the end of the article, it looked acceptable, but the beginning was pretty awful.
- Now, to the hooks. I reject ALT0 because it says absolutely nothing about the Jewish population in Odessa. If anything, that hook could be OK for "History of Odessa in WWII" article, but not this one. ALT1 is not brilliant but if you have absolutely no other ideas, it might go, though I'd strongly suggest to change it. I'd propose the hook to the lines of "at one time, Jews constituted almost 90% of Odessa's population" (as it appears in the text) or that "despite the massacre in 1940 and WWII in general, Jews still constituted more than 10% of Odessa's post-war population", or something about Jewish culture, architecture, trade influence, whatever.
- I don't want to fail the nomination outright, so I give you 2 weeks to research more materials on the topic and address the issues as outlined here. You might want to get help from editors who know Russian and/or Ukrainian (personally I know both but I don't guarantee I will have time to help you).
Requesting second opinion for the nomination. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Note to second reviewer. Some changes have been implemented in the article, including clarification or removal of some dubious fragments + a few citations have been added. While it seems a little better now, I still would want someone to have a second look on the article. Cheers, Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Szmenderowiecki: comment: given how long this page has been dormant, I'd say no other reviewer wants a piece of this. You are, of course, within your rights to request a second opinion. However, as a cursory scroll, the reviewer's points seem pretty valid. I'd try to bring the article up to their standards—it's probably faster than waiting for a second opinion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:09, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, Szmenderowiecki is the original reviewer, and was hoping that someone else might have an opinion on the article beyond their review. It looks like the nominator, Ratnahastin, made a series of edits after the initial review but prior to Szmenderowiecki's 14 August comment, and subsequently added two inline source citations, but no significant changes have been made since then. Tomorrow will be two weeks after the original review; at that point, Szmenderowiecki, perhaps you should make a follow-up assessment below to see where things are now and what's left to do. If issues are still significant, perhaps a final seven-day period to bring the article to DYK quality. Ratnahastin, as nominator, it's important for you to post here as well as editing the article. Thank you all. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- oh, I misread that, I thought nominator went right to requesting a second opinion. ignore that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron and BlueMoonset: Theleekycauldron has read it correctly - I indeed requested a second opinion, but I've got the assessment from both of you, so I follow with a statement on progress.
- @Ratnahastin: the article has undergone some changes, but these seem to be rather insufficient for a DYK-quality article.
- Things to do:
- The article is still overreliant on Zipperstein, though addition of some sources that has already taken place is of course welcome. There is still a great need of Ukrainian/Russian resources that would complement the picture and possibly replace some of Zipperstein refs, though this is outside the usual DYK review scope, so for DYK purposes, it's not an issue. Insert refs to some uncited facts written in the article please. Do not be afraid of sources that are not books written by scholars (but be aware that not everything is reliable).
- Some clarification tags are still unaddressed.
- There are some quotes in the article cited to various books, which should be summarised in prose.
- The hook alternative is not provided yet, and, as I said, ALT0 is not passing and ALT1 is not that interesting and is likely not to pass, as the article does not concern the rabbi.
- You have a week to correct the issues. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 05:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- As for ALT2, choose either of the two facts in the hook. However, that's a good step forward. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 00:36, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- How about ALT2:... that the Jewish population of southern New Russia had increased by 333% during the period between 1844 to 1880...? Ratnahastin (talk) 03:49, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, I've missed one thing while reviewing the hook: New Russia (Новороссия) is not really confined to Odessa - in fact, Odessa was only one of the cities in the governorate (which eventually split into Kherson, Tavric and Katerinoslav governorates, roughly the southern part of Ukraine), and not even a capital of any of the four entities (even if at some time it was the largest city in what is today Ukraine). Let's focus on Odessa, shall we? So no, this particular hook is rather out of question, but that fact from 1921 could be mentioned (though again, if we care to attract more clicks, then this one is still suboptimal, as among the cities that were in the Pale of Settlement and controlled by Russia in 1921, this would be rather obvious).
- I would propose, based on the text you have, this one:
- ALT3 ... that at one point in the Odessa's history, Jews comprised 89% of the population in the city? Szmenderowiecki (talk) 04:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes it's a fine hook and directly related to city,I think we can keep it as ALT3.Ratnahastin (talk) 04:59, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- oh, I misread that, I thought nominator went right to requesting a second opinion. ignore that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- theleekycauldron, Szmenderowiecki is the original reviewer, and was hoping that someone else might have an opinion on the article beyond their review. It looks like the nominator, Ratnahastin, made a series of edits after the initial review but prior to Szmenderowiecki's 14 August comment, and subsequently added two inline source citations, but no significant changes have been made since then. Tomorrow will be two weeks after the original review; at that point, Szmenderowiecki, perhaps you should make a follow-up assessment below to see where things are now and what's left to do. If issues are still significant, perhaps a final seven-day period to bring the article to DYK quality. Ratnahastin, as nominator, it's important for you to post here as well as editing the article. Thank you all. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Szmenderowiecki: comment: given how long this page has been dormant, I'd say no other reviewer wants a piece of this. You are, of course, within your rights to request a second opinion. However, as a cursory scroll, the reviewer's points seem pretty valid. I'd try to bring the article up to their standards—it's probably faster than waiting for a second opinion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:09, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 29
Robert M. Briggs
... that Beetown, Wisconsin, merchant Robert M. Briggs secured re-election to the Wisconsin State Assembly promising that a new railroad would run double tracks by Beetown "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"?Source: Butterfield, C. W. History of Grant County, Wisconsin, containing an account of its settlement... etc. etc. Chicago: Western Historical Society, 1881; p. 573- ALT1:
... that Robert M. Briggs won re-election to the State Assembly promising that a new railroad would run double tracks by Beetown, Wisconsin, "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"?Source: Butterfield, C. W. History of Grant County, Wisconsin, containing an account of its settlement... etc. etc. Chicago: Western Historical Society, 1881; p. 573
- ALT1:
Created/expanded by Orangemike (talk). Self-nominated at 17:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC).
ALT0 cannot be approved as it is above the 200 character limit; ALT1 is 195 characters, which personally is a little too long for comfort. If feasible, an a shorter hook be proposed here? The quote is interesting but admittedly it may be challenging to write a hook that meets the requirements without sacrificing it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- The quote is the hook; it's minor but amusing, as a morsel of colorful American folk language of its time. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Even if so, both hooks are simply too long. There's probably a way to mention the quote in full while still writing a reasonably shorter hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: and @Orangemike: what do you think of this alt?
- ALT2:... that Robert M. Briggs won re-election to the Wisconsin State Assembly by promising Beetown a double-track railway that was "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"? BuySomeApples (talk) 00:33, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think it's okay but I'd like to hear what Mike thinks of the hook first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Okay by me. --Orange Mike | Talk 05:36, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think it's okay but I'd like to hear what Mike thinks of the hook first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: and @Orangemike: what do you think of this alt?
- Even if so, both hooks are simply too long. There's probably a way to mention the quote in full while still writing a reasonably shorter hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Full review needed now that we have a workable hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- General eligibility:
- New Enough:
- Long Enough:
- Article clocks in at 1012 prose characters, shy of the requirement of 1500
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Need citation for Turley's intermediate term
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: None required. |
Overall: @Orangemike: AGF on the source because I can't for the life of me navigate that book; if you could show me where to find that quote, that'd be greatly appreciated. The article needs to be expanded, but as long as the sourcing works out, everything else is fine. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:36, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 2
Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren
... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a hymn paraphrasing Psalm 118, first in French with the melody, then in German by Ambrosius Lobwasser, and finished in 1951?Source: [25]
- Reviewed: Miguelina Acosta Cárdenas
- Comment: thinking of Yoninah
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC).
- The article needs significant copy-editing (as does the hook). There isn't any other major issue as far as sourcing, content or eligibility are concerned. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I tried, please check again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hook reworded:
- ALT1: ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a hymn paraphrasing Psalm 118 in German, derived by Ambrosius Lobwasser from the French Genevan Psalter, keeping its melody, and tightened in 1951?
- I wonder if the hook could be tightened up by removing some of the descriptive details that aren't all that hooky. Maybe:
- ALT2: ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a 16th century German hymn that was tightened in the 20th century to be used in a hymnal of the Swiss Reformed Church? 20:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer, but without mentioning Psalm 118, the hook is pointless (to me at least), because all these people making efforts were concerned about it. - The focus on one church seems not the right thing to say about this song which is beloved in many denominations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a 16th century German hymn that was tightened in the 20th century to be used in a hymnal of the Swiss Reformed Church? 20:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I wonder if the hook could be tightened up by removing some of the descriptive details that aren't all that hooky. Maybe:
- Perhaps ALT3 ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren", a 16th century German hymn based on Psalm 118, was tightened in the 20th century to be used in a hymnal of the Swiss Reformed Church? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the offer, but please include Psalm 118 somehow, in memory of Yoninah.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)- Please re-read the hook, ALT3 already mentions Psalm 118. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry to have overlooked that there was already a new version. I don't like the focus on the Reformed Church while this hymn is now common to other Protestants and Catholics, but will not fight. It's not wrong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Please re-read the hook, ALT3 already mentions Psalm 118. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps ALT3 ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren", a 16th century German hymn based on Psalm 118, was tightened in the 20th century to be used in a hymnal of the Swiss Reformed Church? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- The article needs significant copy-editing (as does the hook). There isn't any other major issue as far as sourcing, content or eligibility are concerned. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @RandomCanadian: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think "rewritten" (or "rewritten and shortened") is a better term than "tightened" (since the hymn was indeed rewritten, keeping only the beginning and the end of the original translation and adding mostly new material in the middle). As I said, there's no major issue with the article. There's that one section which is only based on a primary source. Feel free to give the {{DYKtick}} in my stead if this takes more than a short time to fix, I'm busy with other stuff IRL (University trimester beginning shortly...). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Taking "rewritten and shortened" for the article, but for a hook it seems too long, and "rewritten" alone seems too unprecise for a rather drastic shortening (to me). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think "rewritten" (or "rewritten and shortened") is a better term than "tightened" (since the hymn was indeed rewritten, keeping only the beginning and the end of the original translation and adding mostly new material in the middle). As I said, there's no major issue with the article. There's that one section which is only based on a primary source. Feel free to give the {{DYKtick}} in my stead if this takes more than a short time to fix, I'm busy with other stuff IRL (University trimester beginning shortly...). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 4
John Gray (nightwatchman)
- ... that the owner of Greyfriars Bobby was a nightwatchman called John Gray?
- ALT1:... that John Gray was the owner of Greyfriars Bobby?
- ALT2:... that despite being portrayed as a shepherd in the 1912 novel Greyfriars Bobby and subsequent movie adaptations, that John Gray actually worked for the Edinburgh City Police as a nightwatchman?
Created by Sahaib3005 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
DYK does not feature stubs. Please have a read of the rules, in particular #2 (Long enough) under eligibility criteria. Schwede66 21:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Schwede66:, It has over 1,500 characters, so that means it should be allowed.Sahaib3005 (talk) 06:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- You really need to read the rules a bit more carefully. What counts for Wikipedia is "prose" and as the rules explain, that excludes a lot of things: "(ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc.)". I have one of those tools mentioned on that page installed and it tells me that prose size is 1112 B, i.e. you are way short of the minimum. That said, if you expand the article now that you know that it's too short, most editors at DYK would say that's ok (although technically you need to achieve the minimum length within seven days of the article being in mainspace). Up to you. Schwede66 08:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have concerns about the notability of this article. The notability relates entirely to Greyfriars Bobby, and so relevant information should probably go into that page (WP:NOPAGE). CMD (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, I haven't even read the article yet. Therefore, I can't comment on notability. Schwede66 09:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- The DYKcheck tool also shows 1112 bytes, well short of the required 1500. That said, if the "In popular culture" section was changed from a list to prose, I think that would get the article to 1500, or at least very close (since lists are excluded from the count). Rlendog (talk) 20:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Rlendog: I prosified the section–it meets the length requirement now. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Now that I have read the article and looked at the sources, I agree with CMD that a merger is the best way forward. I suggest that for the time being, we park this nomination. If the community discussion determines that Gray is independently notable, we can pick the review process up again. Schwede66 03:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Both the "Must See Scotland" and "Scotland Welcomes You" sites are self-published, as best I can determine, and therefore cannot be considered reliable. There seems to be little enough in the way of verifiable information about John Gray himself; the bulk of what's here is about the legend of the dog, and a merge with the dog's article seems in order. (The icon used and the hold on the nomination while the merger is being discussed is the standard way to handle proposed merges here at DYK.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Cu hulu
- ... that the Ming dynasty novella The Jealous Wife was written by the "Bishop of the Women-Taming Sect"?
Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC).
Doing... --Gazal world (talk) 09:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reviewer hasn't finished in 11 days, I'll take this review.
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- I'd leave the title untranslated; also, I'd use a different, more hooky translation (Master of the Doctrine of Subduing Women), and a note that it is a translation. As an ALT0a: That Ming dynasty novella Cu hulu was written under a pseudonym that might translate to "Master of the Doctrine of Subduing Women"?
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Overall: Open to workshopping the hook–there are other alts we can use. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- oops, i have to ping people? @Kingoflettuce: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- seems less "fun" if we included the "under a pseudonym that might translate..." bit, and the translation has a nicer ring than the original title. But I think it's your call as the reviewer! Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- see also Template:Did you know nominations/Bian er chai Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: sorry about the delay, I forgot to watch this page. How about:
- ALT0b: ... that the Ming dynasty novella The Jealous Wife might have been written by the "Master of the Doctrine of Subduing Women"?
- seems like a good balance between brevity/hookiness and accuracy to me. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:01, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- sounds good to me! Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 16:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: sorry about the delay, I forgot to watch this page. How about:
- see also Template:Did you know nominations/Bian er chai Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- seems less "fun" if we included the "under a pseudonym that might translate..." bit, and the translation has a nicer ring than the original title. But I think it's your call as the reviewer! Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 5
Brijmohan Lall Munjal
- ... that Padma Bhushan award recipient Brijmohan Lall Munjal (pictured), who was a migrant from Pakistan to India, founded Hero MotoCorp?
Created by Batamore (talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 7 August 2021 (UTC).
- Reviewing. DTM (talk) 01:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
The article was shifted from draftspace to mainspace on 30 July 2021. It was self-nominated on 7 August 2021. This is past the 7 day cut-off criteria. It is long enough, however the intro could do with some expansion.
- Citations need formatting:
- Scroll.in citation missing date
- Please use single label such as "Authors list" or "Agency" for PTI
- TOI citation needs formatting
- NDTV citations are missing date labels
- India.com citation needs formatting, first name/last name labels and "India News, Breaking News" can be removed
- Last Forbes cite needs author and date labels
- The image licensing is alright. The hook could be made more interesting. However as this article doesn't meet the 7 day criteria, nor the 5X expansion criteria. I guess this should be closed here. Batamore, Titodutta— tagging nominator and a contributor to see what they have to say. DTM (talk) 02:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DTM, the nominator was, as best I can determine, only a day late with their nomination (seven days from July 30 would have been August 6), and we typically allow a few days flex in the lateness criterion with a first-time nominator. (Quite a few experienced nominators are forgiven for being a day late.) The article will need further work, as some of the sources do not back up the article's statements. I've done some editing, but I don't know enough about Munjal to do a thorough job; perhaps Titodutta can help clarify the various points and fix anything that I may have misunderstood. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset and DiplomatTesterMan: I second BlueMoonset. A day late, especially given the "not exactly" rule, shouldn't sink the nomination. See if the nominator is willing to make the necessary adjustments within a reasonable amount of time–if not, then reject the hook. I'd say not yet. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, of course, accordingly updating hook status symbol. With the date aspect past us, only the remaining issues need to be dealt with, including the failed verification tags. DTM (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
The article is looking better. Earwig's Copyvio Detector comes out alright. The basic issues have been taken care of as per DYK criteria. QPQ not required. I had written above that the hook could be made more interesting. Here is a suggestion — rather than just write "founded Hero MotoCorp", the hook could say "founded one of the largest two-wheeler manufacturers in the world". However, this is not mentioned in the article so it would need to be added with a source. This is just a random example.
If we have no better hooks, ALT0 can be used.DTM (talk) 14:24, 22 August 2021 (UTC)- The article does mention "Hero Cycles was entered in the Guinness Book as the world's largest bicycle company." So there is a source. If the hook is becoming too long "Padma Bhushan award recipient" can be removed. Also, considering that the article uses the phrase "undivided India" and that he migrated in "1944", is it correct to say he was a migrant from "Pakistan"?
- In short, the hook needs some looking into. DTM (talk) 14:33, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 6
Samuel Powel Griffitts
- ... that Benjamin Rush advised Samuel Powel Griffitts, as part of his European medical training, to take three months of dancing lessons? Source: "Whitfield J. Bell, 1943, page 6 "Rush recommended that .. Griffitts attend lectures on natural philosophy as well as on medical subjects...and spend an hour daily for three months on dancing lessons."
- ALT1:... that Philadelphia physician Samuel Powel Griffitts (1759–1826) was the nephew of Philadelphia mayor Samuel Powel (1738–1793)? Source:Whitfield J. Bell, 1997, page 268 "Three weeks later, Powel himself was down with the [yellow] fever...his nephew Samuel Powel Griffitts, now a doctor, stayed with him night and day, but his case was fatal and at six o'clock in the morning of 29 September [1793] he died"
- Reviewed: Granny (sea anenome)
Created by MAHosieAPS (talk) and HouseOfChange (talk). Nominated by HouseOfChange (talk) at 19:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
Article was created in Mainspace on June 8. Granted, it was moved to drafts for cleanup nearly two months later. The article has not been expanded by 5x since then, only about 2.5x. I don't think this meets newness if you look at either original publication date or expansion. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- BuySomeApples, The article that was moved to draftspace was about 2,200 bytes.[26], with multiple errors of fact (which have now been corrected), no claim of notability, and only one reference. The article moved to mainspace on August 6 is essentially a new article. Please compare the two articles and reconsider its eligibility. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Given the fact the article was completely WP:TNTed and rewritten within the draft space, and then moved back, and then renominated within seven days of the move, I think we should give leeway to the OP. Even if we weren't to do that, this would still pass under the "not exactly" rule–we don't have to strictly enforce the seven days rule if the creation/expansion date was after the oldest current nomination (currently May 17). But come on, this article really only has a connection in the narrowest possible sense. It's basically a new article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Theleekycauldron for agreeing that this interesting article should be eligible for DYK. How do I ask for a second review? Or is it permanently torpedoed from DYK unless BuySomeApples agrees with your assessment? HouseOfChange (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @HouseOfChange: I'd say that you should give BuySomeApples some time to respond—if they don't respond, or refuse to budge, you should request a second review then. You can do this with by using the symbol encoded with
{{subst:DYK?again}}
.@HouseOfChange: Sorry for not replying as soon as you commented, but I had to sleep and do some stuff before checking on this. A rejection doesn't "permanently torpedo" the nom's chances. I'll let someone else do a second review on this one since it was significantly improved before being moved back out of drafts. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @HouseOfChange: I'd say that you should give BuySomeApples some time to respond—if they don't respond, or refuse to budge, you should request a second review then. You can do this with by using the symbol encoded with
- Thank you, Theleekycauldron for agreeing that this interesting article should be eligible for DYK. How do I ask for a second review? Or is it permanently torpedoed from DYK unless BuySomeApples agrees with your assessment? HouseOfChange (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
@BuySomeApples: Thanks for your reply and for kindly asking for another review. Yes, it was significantly improved before being moved back out of drafts
and I am the person who was improving it there, correcting many errors and adding more than 4,000 bytes of text and footnotes. On August 6, to my surprise, another editor moved the article from draft to mainspace. I continued to improve it. I don't think my having done substantial work to improve the article while it was in draftspace should disqualify it from DYK. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- This article now needs a full review. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Political prisoners in Poland
- ... that political prisoners in Poland came into existence during the 19th-century era of Russian Partition of Poland? Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/i-felt-a-kind-of-pleasure-in-seeing-them-treat-us-brutally-the-emergence-of-the-political-prisoner-18651910/0EF9733DD65CFB2D0C7FADC1D46F992D
- ALT1:... that starting from the era of Russian Poland, political prisoners in Poland had their own culture, traditions and privileges? Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/i-felt-a-kind-of-pleasure-in-seeing-them-treat-us-brutally-the-emergence-of-the-political-prisoner-18651910/0EF9733DD65CFB2D0C7FADC1D46F992D
- ALT2: ... that some political prisoners in Poland published a newspaper and organized strikes from prison?Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/i-felt-a-kind-of-pleasure-in-seeing-them-treat-us-brutally-the-emergence-of-the-political-prisoner-18651910/0EF9733DD65CFB2D0C7FADC1D46F992D. Proposed by Mottezen (talk) 05:34, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 06:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is very focused on Poland during the People's Republic period, which causes an imbalance in the article, and major challenges for the coverage of the other periods this article presents. The other period that is given more than three sentences is the late 19th century, but only the Russian part of the country. There is clearly an anti-russian POV in this article. To fix this, the pre-1861 period needs to be included, as well as the political prisoners in Austro-hungarian and German Poland, regions that are outside the scope the article used to discuss the late 19th century. Mottezen (talk) 08:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mottezen, Thank you for the review. Balance in coverage is not required for a DYK (that's a GA-level problem). I agree that it would be good to expand this more, but I didn't see sources discussing pere-1861 period, nor anything about political prisoners under German and Austrian partitions. And I don't see any anti-Russian POV? If there are some non-neutral wordings, please point them out and we can consider refactoring them. PS. I expanded on the interwar prisoners, this is discussed in the Polish literature a bit, but I am not seeing much about the German/Austrian ones (PPS. I did add a bit on the German partition too), at least not yet. I plan on improving this article over in th future, but please note this is not required for a DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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- The first hook is using the term "political prisoner" as defined by the source's author; as a prisoner that "imposes his or her politics onto the prison and uses the institution as an instrument of political activity". This is not the same as the commonly-used definition of political prisoner, which is something the likes of "individuals incarcerated for beliefs or actions against the state or a comparable authority", as the author puts it (but he call it an "imprisoned political"). The author redefines these terms so they fit into his thesis that political prisoners are actually a new phenomenon from the 19th century, which is essentially what this hook is stating. It's a pretty neat and interesting argument when you read that article, but using these terms as the author re-defined them here on Wikipedia will just confuse readers, and so we should avoid this hook.
- Aside from not being cited in the article, the second hook is also misleading in that it implies a continuity of political prisoner culture throughout polish history that started in the late 1800s, although that is unsupported by the source. Mottezen (talk) 07:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mottezen, All sources read and cited seem to support both hooks, i.e. the (rough) continuity of the culture and traditions of political prisoners in Poland, from 19th century till the end of the communist era. I am afraid I don't understand the problem you are seeing? The sources used are reliable, and talk about political prisoners and the continuity of traditions. It is not our place to dispute this, unless you think the sources are not reliable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- In fairness to Piotrus and from what my admittedly non-expert but what I reckon to be pretty adequate knowledge of the history of Poland, while there might have been some political prisoners in the Austrian and Prussian/German partitions, it is the Russian one that became the most (in)famous for them, or at least their prisoners were the most numerous/the most prominent. The institution of katorga or Siberian exile did not AFAIK have their analogues (or, even if they had, were not used as extensively) in either Austria/Austro-Hungary or Prussia/Germany (particularly as the Austrian partition by late 19th century was a rather family-friendly place for Poles when it comes to cultural and political freedoms). So at least as regards this alleged anti-Russian stance, I'd personally ask to examine further any information on Prussian/Austrian political prisoners and include it if this is notable enough (and state that the scale was not as large), but whether that creates as large an imbalance as suggested is not clear for me.
- I will agree, though, that the interwar Poland's political prisoners are given too little attention in the article (Brest trials and Bereza Kartuska must be elaborated on for sure); however, I'm not really sure if the article's incompleteness alone is a sufficient reason to decline a nomination (POV is one, though). I also largely concur with the assessment of the hooks as presented. I believe, however, that explicit recognition of the category of "political offender" or "political prisoner" in Russian legal acts and internal instructions of Russian Empire's prisons, or their different treatment, could merit a DYK mention, as this is IMHO fairly interesting, especially if Russian Empire was the first country to actually formally codify it. Personally I'd give some time to fix the issues as outlined by Mottezen and me instead of flatly refusing to pass the article.
- Note to Mottezen: "sourced" criterion applies to the sourcing of the article as a whole (with which I personally see no issues as it stands now); if there is a problem with the source supporting the hook, use "hookcited". Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki Thank you for your comments and for the tip. I admit that I am not an expert on polish history either. This was my first DYKR and I recognize I could have made a mistake.
- My objection to the first hook also concerns the rest of the article because this same statement is repeated in the two first sentences of the article: "Political prisoners in Poland and Polish territories (under administration of other states) have existed throughout much of the 19th and 20th centuries." and "In Poland, the concept and even traditions of political prisoners emerged around the second half of the 19th century in the Russian partition in the era of partitions of Poland." In my reading of the source, this statement in at best very misleading, and at worse outright false.
- This is because the author, Padraic Kenney, doesn't use the common definition of the "political prisoner" in his text. Kenney creates a new definition of "political prisoners": an organized political unit with agency that leverages its status of prisoners as praxis. However, we are used to think of political prisoners as victims who have been imprisoned because of their views, and so their ability to do politics have been every restricted. The rest of the "Political prisoners in Poland" article uses this definition, and so do the rest of its sources. Kenney acknowledges this, and calls these people "imprisoned politicals". He says that "The history of incarceration of individuals for beliefs or actions against the state or a comparable authority stretches well before the period explored here." As such, political prisoners existed in Poland well before 1861, when a "political offender" was recognized by Russian authorities.
- Additionally, Kenney never makes the claim of the first hook in his text. Kenney tries to show that the experience of political prisoners from 1865 to 1910 was fundamentally different than those of periods that came before, so much so that we shouldn't even use the term "political prisoners" to describe the experiences of the "imprisoned politicals" before the late 19th century. For this, he uses two examples: Ireland and Russian Poland. Therefore, when Kenney says that political prisoners (as a political unit) emerged in the second half of the 19th century, he is not saying that this phenomenon didn't exist in other parts of Poland before that. His article just doesn't cover other parts of Poland. And indeed, I'd argue they did exist before that, and that they played an important part in the Greater Poland uprising (1848). This is using Kenney's definition, mind you. So maybe it is ok to focus more on Russian Poland in this article than the others partitioned part due to the scale of the phenomenon, but this is not my point.
- Now for the POV problem. Reading Kenney's article, I think its impossible to come to the conclusion that "that political prisoners in Poland came into existence during the 19th-century era of Russian Partition of Poland", as the hook claims, without a distinctively anti-Russia POV. Right now, the article says that repressive policies such as political imprisonment was introduced into Poland by the Russian occupation, and then made worse in the People's Republic period when Poland was politically dominated by the Soviet Union. This is textbook polish nationalism. It's not just the unbalance that's the problem. It's
that the imbalance is caused by anti-russian assumptions that leads Piotrus to includea false statement that is unsupported by the source at the beginning of the article, and in the first hook (the only valid hook presented per the basic DYK guidelines). Mottezen (talk) 00:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I largely agree with the reasoning you provide here, including with Kenney's creation of "imprisoned politicals" category, whom we would normally name "political prisoners" (a somewhat idiosyncratic substitution IMHO). I also agree that the source does not support the hook - it simply states there existed such a phenomenon but not that the Russian Empire was the first, or the only one, to do that; the reason I've included the sort of rebuttal is that I can understand the reasons why the German/Austrian political prisoners aren't in the article, as there are probably not that much sources that elaborate on the issue (I would have to independently research the problem to evaluate the exact scale, but I don't believe the issue to have been non-existent in other partitions).
- Re anti-Russian bias: I will agree with the notion that the article as is portrays the history of political prisoners is misguided, at the very least due to a glaring omission of the political prisoners in the Sanation years, and it might create the impression you describe in your argument, so the POV worries, at least from my standpoint, seem quite legitimate. But I don't believe it was done due to some anti-Russian sentiment on behalf of Piotrus; employing Hanlon's razor, I would attribute the irrelevant citation to a simple misreading or over-stretching the content of the source (and please don't make such outright accusations of Russophobia, as they could potentially lead to a quarrel on Wikipedia, of which there's more than enough). That said, the omission of the 1930s is much harder to understand for me.
- As a final note, let's wait until the issues are addressed or reasonably argued to be irrelevant. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, As I said above, I didn't see any sources for the interwar period. I would be very happy if someone were to point me to one or better, expand the article further. As I said above, I fully agree there are many missing aspects, I am just not sure if the sources about them even exist. And I'd also like to remind people that DYKs are not required to be comprehensive (quick reminder: Wikipedia:Did you know/Onepage: DYKs only require "at least 1,500 characters of prose", neutrality, citations, and not being an obvious work-in-progress (empty headers, etc.). In other words (I had written probably 2k DYKs and reviewed at least as many), most DYKs are start-class or C-class.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- While the articles nominated here are start- or C-class (including one I've reviewed), my point here is shared with the reviewer that the lack of the period when Poland was truly independent and its political prisoners might create what one could see as unnecessary slant.
- I'll provide some academic sources here (some might be in Polish); see links: [27], [28], Ukrainian scholarship, (access via shadow library), p. 425-; (sort of academic; hist-pop), [29]. You've also mentioned Machcewicz, who suggested continuity between the Tsarist and Interwar Poland's system - another source for that.
- And some non-academic sources: Polskie Radio, Rzeczpospolita
- As relates to the arrests during the Brest trials, referring to this as a "political process" (therefore making the convicted political prisoners): Rzeczpospolita, PWN, [30], (1932), (Myśl Polska)
- Other interwar political prisoners: p. 20-, (treat with a grain of salt), (in Ukrainian). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, As I said above, I didn't see any sources for the interwar period. I would be very happy if someone were to point me to one or better, expand the article further. As I said above, I fully agree there are many missing aspects, I am just not sure if the sources about them even exist. And I'd also like to remind people that DYKs are not required to be comprehensive (quick reminder: Wikipedia:Did you know/Onepage: DYKs only require "at least 1,500 characters of prose", neutrality, citations, and not being an obvious work-in-progress (empty headers, etc.). In other words (I had written probably 2k DYKs and reviewed at least as many), most DYKs are start-class or C-class.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Mottezen: Your critique of Kenney is interesting but I think it does not belong on Wikipedia, as in - he is a reliable source, and he talks about political prisoners and notes that
My purpose is to embed the political prisoner firmly within the modern age, with origins in the half-century before World War I.
. So he clearly argues that political prisoners, in the modern sense, originated in mid-19th century, and one of the cases studied is that of the Polish political prisoners (under Russian partition). That he has a definition that may be a bit different from other scholars is not a major issue for us, he is a reliable source (and if you look at the political prisoner article, which I was recently expanding, you can see that the issue of defining this concept is quite contested). Also, regarding the culture and such, note that Machcewicz states the same:The sentenced were bound by the specific rules of inmate coexistence and methods of defending the political prisoners’ rights by their unincarcerated comrades. The rules had been worked out for decades, especially in the Russian Partition before 1914; the tradition was followed up in interwar Poland, particularly in the communist milieu
. So we have at least two reliable sources that make the same claim. If you think they are wrong, the correct venue is to (on Wikipedia) find scholars who clearly say something opposite or even better, say that Kenney or Machcewicz are wrong, or publish your own academic article saying so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC) - Also, I will ask you, as Szmenderowiecki did, to remove or WP:REFACTOR claims like "the imbalance is caused by anti-russian assumptions that leads Piotrus to include a false statement". It violates WP:AGF and WP:NPA and could even be sanctionable, but with AGF in mind I am happy to assume you are new to Wikipedia and discussions in this context and did not realize that speculating about other editor motivations like this is a very, very bad form. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I expanded the article with some info on the German partition and interwar era prisoners. There is scope for more expansion, but please note DYKs don't have to be fully comprehensive. The article is over the DYK requirement of 1,500 characters of prose, and that's all we should care here. The expansion should also address the issues of 'lack of neutrality' and 'undue focus on the Russians', I hope? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- The changes have been implemented. I essentially agreed with Mottezen that omission of interwar Poland/other partitions may be reasonably seen as selective inclusion of info, and though the section about Communist Poland is a tad too large in comparison with the rest, I think that my concerns about neutrality have been addressed adequately for the purposes of DYK.
- Now, returning to the hooks: ALT1 seems not to be true based on the descriptions of living conditions and treatment of political prisoners incarcerated pre-Brześć/Brest trial or in Bereza Kartuska, which breaks the continuity suggested in the hook (see sources provided). ALT0 still doesn't seem to be supported by the source. While you've gone at lengths arguing Kenney is reliable (he is) and that the political prisoner as a class emerged in mid-19th century (I'll take his word), he still doesn't establish that temporal relation that says: yeah, the first (modern) political prisoners in Poland were incarcerated in Modlin/Warsaw Citadel/whatever, and that later it spread to
GermanyPrussia, because that's how I read the sentence. I might be overinterpreting the sentence. I would say that the category of "political prisoner" recognised officially is something less dubious and probably more interesting. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 04:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)- While the official recognition of political prisoners is indeed interesting, it is not unique to Poland or Russia. Indeed, this designation was widespread at the time. Quoting from Kenney:
As in France, Britain, and Germany, Russian jurisprudence found political crime a useful concept
. If I were to propose a hook myself, it would be: " ... that some political prisoners in Poland published a newspaper and organized strikes from prison?". It's mentioned by Kenney but it's not included in the article yet. Mottezen (talk) 07:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)- Mottezen, You are welcome to add that to the article, it's a collaborative effort anyway, and I would be fine with this as ALT2 hook. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- While the official recognition of political prisoners is indeed interesting, it is not unique to Poland or Russia. Indeed, this designation was widespread at the time. Quoting from Kenney:
- Comment: Here are some phrases from the Greater Poland uprising (1848) article with sourced statements about political prisoners (thus contradicting ALT0):
- "A first attempt to change the situation in the Duchy was made in the Greater Poland Uprising of 1846 after which 254 Polish activists were imprisoned upon charges of conspiracy. The trial ended on 2 December 1847, when 134 of the defendants were acquitted and returned to the Duchy. 8 defendants, including Ludwik Mierosławski, were sentenced to death, the rest to prison in the Berlin-Moabit prison. The death sentences were not carried out as Revolution in Prussia started and the Prussian king amnestied political prisoners as part of concessions to revolutionaries." Source: Makowski, Krzysztof (Fall 1999). "Poles, Germans And Jews In The Grand Duchy Of Poznan in 1848: From Coexistence To Conflict". East European Quarterly.
- "On 19 March 1848, after the Revolution in Berlin succeeded throughout the Spring of Nations, King Frederick William IV of Prussia amnestied the Polish prisoners, who joined the Berlin Home Guard in the evening of 20 March 1848 by founding a “Polish Legion” in the courtyard of the Berliner Schloss, and were armed with weapons from the Royal Prussian Arsenal. Ludwik Mierosławski waved the Black-Red-Gold flag of the German Revolution and the prisoners were celebrated by the public." Source: Edward S. Cayley, The European Revolution of 1848
- And a few other statements of prisoners of war
Mottezen (talk) 07:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mottezen, Maybe I am tired, but I don't see how anything here contradicts ALT0. Anyway, if you'd like to propose ALT2 be my guest, I'll be happy to opine it then, but for now, can you remove the NPOV tags you added from the article since it was expanded and Szmendrowiecki thinks, sufficiently? And again, feel free to propose your own hooks, I am not super attached to the ones above. But I have no idea what you want me to do with the article/hooks; and again, it is expanded beyond what DYK requires. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 7
KNUE
- ... that when Texas radio station KNUE was sold to another station in 1982, the new owners added a second story to their newly constructed studios to accommodate the addition? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83095755/knue-sold-to-ktbb-owner-broadcasters/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kulgoa
- Comment: This is the first DYK nom for Dma37dude and I am trying to assist him in growing as an editor, so give him a nice welcome!
5x expanded by Dma37dude (talk) and Sammi Brie (talk). Nominated by Sammi Brie (talk) at 06:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC).
Article was expanded 5 times at the time of nomination. It is neutrally worded, more than 1,500 characters of prose, and uses inline citations. Earwig found no copyright violations or paraphrasing issues. A QPQ is not needed for Dma37dude as this is his first nomination; however, Sammi Brie is listed as one of the co-authors and I'm wondering if it's necessary for Sammi Brie to have done a QPQ. lullabying (talk) 07:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging BlueMoonset as this user has been blocked. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie, it looks like lullabying was blocked for only 24 hours over 11 hours ago, so they'll be able to return to complete the review almost before you know it. This can wait until they're back. As far as the QPQ, since Sammie Brie is listed as participating in the expansion and they voluntarily nominated the article, they are indeed correct in providing the QPQ: it is always the nominator's responsibility based on how many credits they have (and Sammie Brie has many), regardless of whether another significant editor has fewer than five DYK credits or not. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to Lullabying. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Lullabying appears to have flown away from the nomination, so I'll assume their position as reviewer to speed this up. @Sammi Brie: do you have a QPQ? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:26, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Yes, Kulgoa. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- and welcome to Dma37dude! always nice to have new nominators :)
Why (Yoko Ono song)
- ... "Why" John Lennon's guitar playing was credited as being better than Jimi Hendrix' and an influence on the Pixies? Source: Blaney: "... later bands, such as the pixies, must have been influenced by his extraordinary playing on this record. Jimi Hendrix may have turned guitar playing into an art form, but Lennon’s work on this track eclipses anything produced by Hendrix or any other guitar hero."
- ALT1:... that biographer John Blaney claimed John Lennon's guitar playing on the song "Why" was better than Jimi Hendrix's?
- Reviewed: Song Kok Hoo
- Comment: I am open to a more standard wording of the hook, but this seems "hookier"
Converted from a redirect by Rlendog (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC).
- Not a review, but could you please have a read of WP:DYKHOOK? Schwede66 21:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Do you have a particular concern? I can revise the hook if necessary but I don't see anything that explicitly violates WP:DYKHOOK. Rlendog (talk) 15:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm proposing ALT1 @Schwede66: and @Rlendog: I think it should be a little closer to a standard DYK hook. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem rewording the hook although I don't think a hook needs to be that specific about who said it. Although I think the original is hookier, if the form is a problem then I'd propose:
- ALT2:... that John Lennon's guitar playing on the song "Why" was credited as being better than Jimi Hendrix' and an influence on the Pixies? Comment by Rlendog
- @Rlendog: I was unsure about the grammar on the original hook, but the main issue is that its a WP:easter egg. It's really clever but readers should have some idea what the bold link leads to. It also was (I think) just that Beatles biographer who said Lennon's playing on "Why" was better than Hendrix and influenced the Pixies. The hook you proposed makes it seem like general consensus. The reference makes it seem like Blaney personally feels this, so I think the hook should reflect that in some way. It also feels a bit clunky since there's two hooky bits (Hendrix and the Pixies). BuySomeApples (talk) 20:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not a review, but could you please have a read of WP:DYKHOOK? Schwede66 21:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
review still needed to assess nomination and alternate hooks. BuySomeApples (talk) 20:34, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- I fixed the formatting of the bullets. - I looked at the article, and don't understand why in a song by a woman, with the unusual feature of the lyrics being one word, all hooks so far focus on the comparison of the playing of two men. If you want me as a reviewer, say something mentioning the singer's name, and don't focus on one
reviewer'sbiographer's judgement. - Perhaps you will not want me because I'd remark that I'd like first facts, than somereviewer'sbiographer's judgement. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 25 August 2021 (UTC)- completely irrelevant comment—hot damn gerda, them be fightin' words /j theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I fixed your indenting as well. Please, y'all, read the top essay on User talk:Drmies. - English isn't my first language, and hot damn tells me nothing, nor fightin' words when I just tried to clarify. I looked for something to review, and this was a candidate, but I wouldn't approve any of the hooks as written. How about you review it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: sorry about that, I didn't know you don't speak english as a first language. Although I do appreciate your use of "y'all". All i meant was that i thought you were very outspoken about the way your reviewing style, and I appreciated it. It was very up-front and aggressive in an enjoyable way, and i was complimenting you on that. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- as for the review itself, I'm happy for you to take it. no objections here. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I fixed your indenting as well. Please, y'all, read the top essay on User talk:Drmies. - English isn't my first language, and hot damn tells me nothing, nor fightin' words when I just tried to clarify. I looked for something to review, and this was a candidate, but I wouldn't approve any of the hooks as written. How about you review it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- completely irrelevant comment—hot damn gerda, them be fightin' words /j theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- When researching the article much of the reviewer comments focused on Lennon's guitar playing and how important and even influential it was. And given that Jimi Hendrix is often considered the greatest rock guitarist ever, and Lennon is generally not even considered the best guitarist in the Beatles, the fact that a credible music journalist suggested that Lennon's playing on this song was better than Hendrix seemed to be the most surprising thing about the song.Rlendog (talk) 20:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 8
Barry Joule
- ... that due to a left/right mix-up, Barry Joule destroyed the wrong Francis Bacon painting, which would now be worth around £35 million? Source: "The late artist’s friend received a furious 4am phone call after burning the wrong portrait in a mix-up over right and left. When Francis Bacon asked a friend to destroy one of two paintings in his studio, he said it was the “one on the left”. Bacon’s idea of left turned out to be as distinctive as his art, resulting in a disastrous mistake — the destruction of a painting that would now be worth about £35m. The artist’s friend was Barry Joule" ([31])
- Reviewed: not yet done
Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 20:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: @Edwardx and Philafrenzy: Article is one day late—I'll let it slide. Hilarious and interesting hook—plus, the one about him being the model in those paintings where he wore cricket pads would also make an excellent hook if only it were under 200 characters. Holding approval awaiting a QPQ. Nicely done :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Edwardx: you don't appear to have disappeared off of Wikipedia—do you have a QPQ? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:05, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Viola Roseboro'
- ... that after Viola Roseboro' suggested Willa Cather rewrite My Ántonia completely, Cather may have based the novel My Mortal Enemy on her? Source: Reportedly, on reading the manuscript for My Ántonia, she told Cather, “[You] have told your novel through the wrong character’s eyes, from the wrong point of view. Have you the courage to throw the [manuscript] away, and sit down and re-write it from [Jim Burden]’s point of view, you have a great book.” Cather heeded her words.[32] AND ... honestly, there's an 18-page essay in a major literary journal dedicated entirely to the proposition that Roseboro' was the model for the protagonist of MME, analyzing the parallels one by one. The title of the essay is "Viola Roseboro': A Prototype for Cather's My Mortal Enemy. It's on JSTOR, but fortunately you have JSTOR access via your Wikipedia Library account.
Created by DragonflySixtyseven (talk). Self-nominated at 03:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC).
- Comment (not a review): This nomination appears to be incomplete: The QPQ is missing. The QPQ checker isn't working for me but I found several past DYKs with QPQs from this nominator so I believe one is needed. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, did a bunch of comments on other entries, and then reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Kazimierz Kowalski as a whole. DS (talk) 04:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Interesting bio, on fine sources, o copyvio obvious. How about the image? - I am sorry, I am not happy with the hook. You (author) know that she was an editor, and know the names of author and works, - for someone unfamiliar it's like Chinese, and without a place in history (location, time). It's clever, but too clever for my taste. I'll approve it if you insist but would be happier with mentioning that she discovered Jack London, or was a "reader of real genius", and then perhaps some of the original. Having inspired a novel character is interesting without knowing names of author and novel. If I'm the only one not knowing the novels, please forgive my ignorance. - Minor suggestions for the article: the bolded other name is more common to have in the lead, the all-capitals in references don't have to be kept, and how do you feel about an infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- What I was thinking was the misleading implication that Roseboro's suggestion led Cather to consider her an "enemy"; if that doesn't thrill you, I'll figure out an ALT or two. Infobox: go ahead. DS (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I confess that I missed the "enemy" point completely. I may be the only one so blind, - don't struggle too hard to find hooks. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:25, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- What I was thinking was the misleading implication that Roseboro's suggestion led Cather to consider her an "enemy"; if that doesn't thrill you, I'll figure out an ALT or two. Infobox: go ahead. DS (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @DragonflySixtyseven, David Eppstein, and Gerda Arendt: comment how is the hook not focused on that apostrophe? That's so much more interesting to me—
- ALT1: That Viola Roseboro' "fiercely defended" the apostrophe in her name? Roseboro’—she fiercely defended that apostrophe, reserving her family name, Roseborough, for her life on the stage—was more zealous than many a missionary.
- Just a thing to consider. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 21:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Incorrect ping of User:David Eppstein, oops
2019 Q School (snooker)
- ... that Fraser Patrick likened playing in the 2019 Q School to being in a boxing match with Anthony Joshua? Source: http://www.worldsnooker.com/patrick-and-chen-earn-tour-returns/
Moved to mainspace by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 13:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC).
While the article is clearly new and long enough, with the hook fact cited inline, and neutrally written, I do wonder if it is a tad too reliant on primary sources. In addition, a QPQ has yet to be done. Kingoflettuce (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 11
Sefine Shipyard
- ... that the Sefine Shipyard in Turkey built a hybrid-electric ferry for Norway, which is among the important representatives of environmentally friendly ships with zero emission? "Sefine Tersanesi'nin ürettiği elektrikli feribot Norveç sularında", "Yaklaşık 145 metre uzunluğunda Lityum ION bataryalı hibrit bir feribot olan Basto Electric NB42, sıfır emisyonlu çevre dostu gemilerin önemli temsilcileri arasında bulunuyor." (in Turkish) [33]
- Reviewed: Joachim Werzlau
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 11:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC).
Article is long enough and new enough, but writing is inconsistent, and could do with a copy edit from a native English speaker. Foreign language citations will need a Turkish speaker to comment on suitability. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 16:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- @CeeGee: update on the nomination? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:32, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Copy editing is pending by the Guild of Copy Editors. CeeGee 11:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
The article
Articles created/expanded on August 12
Donald R. Hickey
- ... that American historian Donald R. Hickey was referred to as "the dean of 1812 scholarship" by The New Yorker? Sources: • Wayne State College, Biography; • Encyclopedia.com
- Reviewed:
QPQ PendingTemplate:Did you know nominations/Tamper (nuclear weapon)
- Reviewed:
Created by Gwillhickers (talk). Self-nominated at 03:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC).
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- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Biggest issue that there are apparent plagiarism issues that must be remedied, per this Earwig check. Most of the detected "potential plagiarism" are just the names of books, so that can be ignored. But there are also segments of prose that are identical to other publications, and that cannot be ignored.
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Overall: In addition to prose that is identical to other segments, I have other comments. It is unclear to me what the QPQ situation is. Also, the hook needs some reformatting (bolding of the article being discussed, as well as italicization of The New Yorker). Issues exist with the article, for instance, the "publications" and "journals" sections do not seem to be formatted in a manner standard to Wikipedia articles. SecretName101 (talk) 15:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- As you know most of the identical prose involved titles of awards, books and simple general phrases. However, I have edited other text that had some identical prose. Have italicized the quote in question. The article name in the hook is already bolded. The Publications section lists the various publication in simple list format, using 'cite book' templates, which is very common in WP articles, esp in the bibliographies of many FA and GA history articles. At 2912 KB of "readable prose", the article is long enough. Will satisfy my QPQ requirements asap. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:52, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- QPQ review completed :Template:Did you know nominations/Tamper (nuclear weapon) -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- @SecretName101: updates? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:07, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 13
Naoki Saito
- ... that Naoki Saito is a contributing artist of the Pokémon Trading Card Game? Source: 4gamer (article): "ポケモンカードゲームのイラストを手がける,さいとうなおき氏のサイン会も行われた" [An autograph session for Naoki Saito, an illustrator for the Pokémon Trading Card Game, was also held.]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KNUE
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 08:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC).
- Hi Lullabying, thanks for creating this article and bringing to DYK. It is new and long enough, having been nominated two days after creation and at 2411 characters of prose. All sentences have inline citations, and I'll AGF that the sources in Japanese confirm what is being said (I did use Google Translate where possible to make sure, though). My only note is that the information of the subject's date and place of birth are only source in the infobox, and my recomendation would be to add that to the "Personal life" section. Regarding the hook you submitted, I'd like to suggest a more hooky alternative:
- Alt0b: ... that manga artist and youtuber Naoki Saito is a contributing artist of both the Duel Masters Trading Card Game and the Pokémon Trading Card Game?
I'd like await the nominator to say if they are okay with the hook, and for them to finish their review of Template:Did you know nominations/KNUE, but everything else is good to go. Isabelle 🔔 15:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure about the hook proposed. Saito is better known for his illustrations and contributions to the card games instead of being a manga artist, so emphasis should go to his illustrating work. lullabying (talk) 22:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi lullabying! Would removing
manga artist and youtuber
make the suggestion acceptable? The subject's profession is not necessary, but I feel like having the two card games he worked with is more interesting. If that's okay with you, I can mark the DYK as done, otherwise, I'd ask you to either suggest an alternative hook or for a second opinion on the original one. Isabelle 🔔 01:07, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi lullabying! Would removing
Articles created/expanded on August 14
Architextiles
... that architextiles, a textile-based approach in architecture, is creating innovative, interactive and live designs?[34]:5–20- ALT1:
... that architextiles is better able to respond to society's rapidly changing cultural and consumer demands, allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event-based, and process-based spaces?Source [35]:5–20 - ALT2:
... that architextiles architextiles can better respond to society's rapidly changing cultural and consumer demands, allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event, and process-based spaces?Source [36]:5–20
- ALT1:
- ALT3:... that Hylozoic Ground, an interactive architecture model presented in the 18th Biennale of Sydney, is an example of architextiles?[37], [38]
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 09:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC).
- The hook here has little or no meaning, looks just like marketingspeak. Readers, if they are tempted will come away from the article thinking "How on earth do textiles influence architecture. This article doesn't tell us. Nom has also not quoted us the source upon which this hook is supported by. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 18:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- [you are new here], please read contents of a hook. Moreover source is visible. Where was the reader's interest when you proposed these articles unforgivably for deletion? Performance (textiles) [39], Bolt (cloth)[[40]], Ninon[[41]], slopseller [[42]] and interfering with the creation of Khes and Kesh episode [[43]], [[44]], [[45]].Stop hounding, you will be reported. RV (talk) 02:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- RAJIVVASUDEV, the ALT hooks do read like overhyped publicity;
allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event, and process-based spaces
is the sort of prose you get in ads. Indeed, all three hooks contain MOS:PUFFERY, which is why I've struck them. The article should avoid puffery as well even if it is in a source, since this is an encyclopedia. A specific example of architextiles might do better as a starting point for a hook. The article also needs a copyedit before this nomination can be approved. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:Thank you for your review and comments; I will make the necessary changes, though
allowing for the creation of more dynamic, flexible, interactive, event, and process-based spaces
are some of the critical characteristics of architextiles. I value your advice. Regards RV (talk) 06:32, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:Thank you for your review and comments; I will make the necessary changes, though
- RAJIVVASUDEV, the ALT hooks do read like overhyped publicity;
Articles created/expanded on August 15
Hans Drewanz
... that Hans Drewanz shaped opera and concerts of Darmstadt for more than three decades?Source: several
- Reviewed:
to come - Comment: Sorry, I have no time right now to be specific.
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Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 19:23, 22 August 2021 (UTC).
- ALT0a: ...
that Hans Drewanz shaped opera and concerts at the Staatstheater Darmstadt for more than three decades?Grimes2 (talk) 19:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC) - ALT1: ...
that Hans Drewanz was personal assistant to Georg Solti at the Oper Frankfurt from 1953 to 1959?Grimes2 (talk) 19:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)- As far as I know, the concerts were not at the theatre, so only "opera" in ALT0a, and just a name-dropping vs. 3 decades of musical life seems a bit too little (ALT1). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Drewanz was Generalmusikdirektor of the Staatsorchester Darmstadt, part of the Staatstheater Darmstadt. BTW: I was at concerts in the building. Grimes2 (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- No question about that, but I'm not sure about the concerts, - also part of the job, and in some towns that's separate. (Perhaps not in Darmstadt, but I don't know. I don't know if these concerts were played at the Staatstheater building, which the ALT01 version suggests, saying "at".)
- I came to say that I added some pieces:
- ALT1a: ... that when conductor Hans Drewanz, a personal assistant to Georg Solti at the Oper Frankfurt, became Generalmusikdirektor in Darmstadt, he was the youngest GMD in Germany?
- ALT0b: ... that Hans Drewanz, GMD in Darmstadt for more than three decades, covered music history in concerts such as Monteverdi's Vespro della Beata Vergine and operas such as Britten's Death in Venice?
- The ref says 400 years of history but those 2 are more like 300. Generalmusikdirektor is much higher responsibility that music director to which it links, so I don't know how to say so without spelling it out. (it had its own article, but that was merged, and not merged well, sounding as if 'chief conductor' was the same.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Drewanz was Generalmusikdirektor of the Staatsorchester Darmstadt, part of the Staatstheater Darmstadt. BTW: I was at concerts in the building. Grimes2 (talk) 20:57, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1b: ...
that conductor Hans Drewanz, a personal assistant to Georg Solti at the Oper Frankfurt, became Germany's youngest Generalmusikdirektor in Darmstadt? - ALT1c: ...
that conductor Hans Drewanz, a personal assistant to Georg Solti at the Oper Frankfurt, became then Germany's youngest Generalmusikdirektor in Darmstadt?Grimes2 (talk) 18:35, 23 August 2021 (UTC)- Thank you for the offers. I believe the "then" is a bit of a problem (which I tried to solve in my version) because it could just mean "following", but should mean "the youngest at that time", - there may have been someone younger later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1d: ... that conductor Hans Drewanz, a personal assistant to Georg Solti at the Oper Frankfurt, became Germany's youngest Generalmusikdirektor in Darmstadt at the time? Grimes2 (talk) 18:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ...
@Gerda Arendt:, please remember to do a QPQ soon. The birthdate for Drewanz needs to be cited somewhere in the article. I will do a full review when the QPQ is done. Cheers! Flibirigit (talk) 01:55, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Aaron Pike (athlete). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:30, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Will do the review later today. Flibirigit (talk) 11:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, I have done some copyediting to the article. I hope it is a bit easier to read in English, but still true to the sources based on my knowledge of German. I have translated "Repetitor" in German (Répétiteur in French) into music coach, since I feel that "repeater" is not the intended meaning in English. I think that "music instructor" may also be a good translation. Please let me know what you think. Since I have done a fair bit of work on the article, it may best to let another person do the review. I am willing to help you with hooks of course. Flibirigit (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the copy-editing, Flibirigit, much appreciated. I don't know if music coach is the correct name for a pianist professionally preparing soloists and choirs for operas and concerts. Sorry about overlooking that term, - so far I think Répétiteur is closest. If there's a proper English word instead, please add it to that article, and make a redirect, - how should we foreigners learn if no translation is given. I hesitate to use a French phrase in an article about a German. Pipe to something, perhaps?
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- A wikilink to Répétiteur seems like the best choice. I will watch for a fll DYK review and help where needed. Flibirigit (talk) 15:06, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, I have done some copyediting to the article. I hope it is a bit easier to read in English, but still true to the sources based on my knowledge of German. I have translated "Repetitor" in German (Répétiteur in French) into music coach, since I feel that "repeater" is not the intended meaning in English. I think that "music instructor" may also be a good translation. Please let me know what you think. Since I have done a fair bit of work on the article, it may best to let another person do the review. I am willing to help you with hooks of course. Flibirigit (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Will do the review later today. Flibirigit (talk) 11:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 17
Wilfried Gruhn
- ... that Wilfried Gruhn (pictured) founded a centre for early childhood music learning in Freiburg, based on the Gordon music learning theory? Source: [46]
- Reviewed:
to come - Comment: Edwin Gordon deserves an article which isn't just a redirect.
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Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 07:53, 24 August 2021 (UTC).
Article largely meets DYK requirements and a QPQ has been done. I didn't detect any close paraphrasing (this link detected by Earwig appears to be a false positive). The hook fact is mentioned in the article; however it lacks a footnote. In fact, the entire first paragraph of the "Scientific focus" section is unreferenced. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. This is one of four emergency nominations (all due today), - I'll deal with problems after the other three, and several missing qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- I asked for patience - until Edwin Gordon is created - in my comment when nominating, - didn't I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- One step done, reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Temple of Jupiter Apenninus --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 18
Joe Hill (opera)
- ... that Joe Hill, the last opera by Alan Bush (pictured), which was premiered in East Berlin, contains four songs by the real Joe Hill? Source: several
- Reviewed: to come
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:06, 25 August 2021 (UTC).
This article is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral, and I detected no copyright issues. QPQ please. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Franz Josef Altenburg
- ... that the ceramicist Franz Josef Altenburg was honoured with an exhibition of his art at Austria's Kaiservilla where he was born? Source: several
- Reviewed: to come
Created by Thriley (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:56, 22 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Approved save for pending QPQ... New enough (18 Aug) and long enough (easily, >4k chars, once bulleted lines - not counted by DYKCheck - are included, and still good even if discounting some link chars), solid sourcing as usual with the submitting editors, neutral, Earwig OK. Hook is interesting but to raise it above "another artist name", I also offer ALT1. Hook citation was not attached to sentence, as required, but that's fixed. QPQ pending - I saw the note on another nomination, several items had to rush to meet deadline - know the feeling, had my own deadline crunch on a recent submission - so we continue when that's in. One small note - article maturity is fine, save perhaps more redlinks than ideal - but all have DE alternatives, so understandable why so. SeoR (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that the ceramicist Franz Josef Altenburg, Prince of Altenburg, was honoured with an exhibition of his art at Austria's Kaiservilla, where he was born? Source: several
- Thank you for the review! I am no fan of "Prince", - nobility is no longer legal in Austria, and I don't want to get into these family matters ;) - Please be patient, - I want to nominate an opera - last day - which is still far to short. This article was translated on the notice of his death, but usually the number of red links is reduced soon by tireless LouisAlain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcome, and patience is no problem. I understand the point re. titles, my country also largely left them behind, but for the hook, we sometimes need to add less central points to catch readers' eyes, but then you've far more experience than me on this. Good luck with the opera! SeoR (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review! I am no fan of "Prince", - nobility is no longer legal in Austria, and I don't want to get into these family matters ;) - Please be patient, - I want to nominate an opera - last day - which is still far to short. This article was translated on the notice of his death, but usually the number of red links is reduced soon by tireless LouisAlain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
King Edward's Place
- ... that King Edward's Place was once a love nest for King Edward VII, before becoming a children's activity centre?
- ALT1... that King Edward's Place was both a love nest for King Edward VII and the scene of the suicide of prominent financier James White?
- ALT2... that financier James White killed himself at King Edward's Place, formerly a love nest for King Edward VII and Lillie Langtry?
- ALT3... that owner of Wembley Stadium, James White killed himself at King Edward's Place, formerly a love nest for King Edward VII and Lillie Langtry?
Created by Owain.davies (talk). Self-nominated at 16:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: I prefer the first hook; it is catchy and to the point.
The usage of PGL's own website as a source makes me uncomfortable - are there no secondary, independent RSes? The section about the various activities offered by PGL sounds vaguely promotional and similar in tone to what they would write on their own website. It should be written more neutrally.
The article seems to be comprised of a large number of single-line paragraphs, including one incomplete sentence in the section about Jimmy White. The prose should have complete sentences and should preferably be condensed into larger paragraphs.
QPQ: Waiting—I see nominator is currently reviewing Sefine Shipyard. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI talk | fings wot i hav dun 15:16, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the helpful feedback. I've tried to address the prose in those two sections as suggested, hope that helps. I took the view that primary sources were appropriate in terms of what they offer at this centre, and I can't seem to come up with much in the way of third party sources which talk about them offering these things at this centre. I can find citations that say that PGL in general do these things, but not necessarily at this centre. Any further thoughts welcome. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 11:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- Owain.davies, it's all good to go now. Waiting for your QPQ. If the nominator there hasn't responded you could review something else and ask on Wikipedia talk:DYK for someone else to take over Sefine Shipyard's nomination. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI talk | fings wot i hav dun 17:43, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 19
Insular crozier
- ... that of the many Insular croziers (pictured) made between c. 800–1200 AD, only 12 fully intact examples survive? Source: Moss, Rachel. Medieval c. 400—c. 1600: Art and Architecture of Ireland. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 2014. p310. ISBN 978-0-3001-7919-4
- Reviewed: To Follow
Created by Ceoil (talk). Self-nominated at 20:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC).
@Ceoil: New enough and long enough. No QPQ. Citation to Moss in lead section paragraph 3 matches what's provided here: AGF on the offline source. No other textual issues; I'd go over the page again for spelling/grammar errors, though, as I caught a few. You might also want to learn about {{sfn}} given the source mix with so many books. Please ping me when QPQ is supplied. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 20
WHO Model List of Essential In Vitro Diagnostics
- ... that the WHO model list of essential in vitro diagnostics tells medical personnel what tests to do, and which not to do?
- ALT1:... that ...?
- Reviewed: Abbas Karimi
Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:39, 27 August 2021 (UTC).
Hilde Scheppan
- ... that Hilde Scheppan recorded Wagner roles at the Bayreuth Festival, Eva in 1943 conducted by Hermann Abendroth, and Ortlinde in 1958 with Hans Knappertsbusch? Source: [47] for the recordings, and others for her appearance there
- Reviewed: to come
Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:21, 27 August 2021 (UTC).
Monarchy of Pakistan
- ... that Pakistan was a monarchy from 1947 to 1956?
Source: [48] Kumarasingham, Harshan (2013), THE 'TROPICAL DOMINIONS': THE APPEAL OF DOMINION STATUS IN THE DECOLONISATION OF INDIA, PAKISTAN AND CEYLON, vol. 23, Transactions of the Royal Historical Society, p. 223- ALT1: ... that Queen Elizabeth II was the monarch of independent Pakistan from 1952 to 1956?
- ALT2: ... that the Muslim-majority country Pakistan had an independent Christian monarchy from 1947 to 1956?
5x expanded by Peter Ormond (talk). Self-nominated at 05:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New Enough:
- Small parts of the article were copied without attribution from Dominion of Pakistan and not attributed
- Long Enough:
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and sourced. Unfortunately I think some of the text was copied from Dominion of Pakistan without attribution but it wasn't expanded 5x which makes it ineligible. This would have to be fixed.
No copyvio (false positives though) and qpq is not needed. I replaced a source in the article with a better source, and added it to the hooks which are cited and interesting. ALT1 is the most attention-grabbing imo. BuySomeApples (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Gemma Galdon
- ... that Gemma Galdon (pictured), who works to make artificial intelligence accountable, is said to be "changing the world"? Source: "accountable and BBC says change maker
- ALT1:... that Gemma Galdon (pictured) says that "I'm just the tech guy", is not an excuse for bias, when algorithms behave badly? Source: "[the pitfalls of algorithms, the dangers of an “I’m just the tech guy” attitude, and how to help technologists overcome bias" https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2021/04/26/make-algorithmic-audits-as-ubiquitous-as-seatbeltswhy-tech-needs-outside-help-to-serve-humanity/?sh=727d9c5349a1]
- ALT2:... that Gemma Galdon (pictured) says that when biased algorithms misbehave you cannot claim, "I'm just the tech guy"? Source: "[the pitfalls of algorithms, the dangers of an “I’m just the tech guy” attitude, and how to help technologists overcome bias" https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2021/04/26/make-algorithmic-audits-as-ubiquitous-as-seatbeltswhy-tech-needs-outside-help-to-serve-humanity/?sh=727d9c5349a1]
- Reviewed: Marthe Yankurije
Created by Kippelboy (talk) and Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 09:47, 20 August 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- The section concerning the Ashoka Fellowship seems to be unbalanced. I'd prefer if the organization's quote about her was removed, and the puffery from the second sentence there should be toned down too.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Almost, but "surveillance, security and urban policy" is taken from the uab.cat site, that shuold be changed
Hook eligibility:
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- AGF on ALT0, but ALT1 and ALT2 are sourced to Forbes Contributors, which are not reliable enough. See WP:RSP
- Interesting:
- I don't really like any of these hooks—the first is unbalanced, and the second and third are just expressing her viewpoint. I guess the second and third could be counted as interesting, but I don't quite approve of them.
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Overall: This nomination needs a lot of work, but I think it's doable. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
There may be some valid points (eg Forbes is not a great source) above put this woman is campaigning and the review seems to object to the idea that she has opinions and that these are included in the hooks. I don't believe we have a DYK rule that says an opinion cannot be included in a hook and "I don't like it" is not a valid argument. 3rd opinion please. Victuallers (talk) 07:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Victuallers: all right, I'll ease up on my barrier for hookiness. To be clear, I don't think that any hook with an opinion is invalid; but I do believe that "person has opinion on thing" doesn't always make the cut for reasonable hookiness. I won't torpedo the entire nomination over this. But I'm rejecting ALT2, given its use of personal pronouns, and ALT0 and ALT1 are going to need some workshopping. And upon closer inspection, this article has some primary sourcing and non-neutral phrasing I'm still not comfortable with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:08, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
review seems to object to the idea that she has opinions and that these are included in the hooks.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about it, but this isn't what i thought. I don't object to her having opinions, and of course she's allowed to have them—I just didn't think that "person has opinion" is interesting as a standalone. I'll work with it. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I'll stand back ... the Forbes piece appears to be written by an Ashoka "expert" and it concerns one of their fellows views. This might be considered a good enough source (it also mirrored on the Ashoka site}. I see your idea, about opinions, but "US President thinks injecting bleach might cure covid" would in my opinion be a pretty good hook. Victuallers (talk) 08:47, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- I mean, there's a certain unexpectedness about said U.S. president claiming that people should inject bleach to cure covid, which gives it its hookiness, imo. There is some hookiness to the quote itself, which is admittedly rather snappy—I feel like this article might have more potential than that, though. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 09:19, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Stephan Vanfleteren
- ... that the photographer Stephan Vanfleteren crossed the US while modelling as Presley and being photographed by Elvis? Source 1: "two European photojournalists, Robert Huber from Switzerland and Stephan Vanfleteren from Belgium, decided to trace the King's footsteps, kitted out in identical white jumpsuits, mirror shades and high-rise hair. [...] The pair diligently photograph themselves in the ordinary situations in which Presley would never have been seen [...] Both Huber, who took the colour shots, and Vanfleteren, who works in black and white, have a fine eye for ironic composition." (Alfred Hickling, "Elvis and Presley", The Guardian, 12 December 2001. Incidentally, this Guardian article talks of "a month-long odyssey from Times Square to the Nevada desert". But they went beyond Nevada, into California; as widely stated for example here [World Press Photo], as well as in "Source 2".) Source 2: "Huber is Elvis in the black and white photos; Vanfleteren is Presley in the colour photographs." ("Elvis&Presley", Comune di Verona, 2001.)
- ALT1:... that the photographer Stephan Vanfleteren crossed the US while modelling as Presley and being photographed by a friend modelling as Elvis? Sources: as above.
- ALT2:... that the photographer Stephan Vanfleteren crossed the US while modelling as Presley and photographing a friend modelling as Elvis? Sources: as above.
- Reviewed: Solow Building
- Comment: (i) The article is loosely based on the one in fr:Wikipedia. (ii) The first hook above ("ALT0"?) isn't strictly true; the second is, but I think it's leaden. (iii) The article has a photo of the article subject, but I don't recommend it for DYK as it wouldn't look good if miniaturized.
Created by Hoary (talk). Self-nominated at 11:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC).
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on August 21
Day of Reckoning (2016 film)
- ... that Day of Reckoning was released as a Syfy original and was shown as part of the channel's 31 Days of Halloween program in October 2016? Source: [1]
Created/expanded by Filmomusico (talk) and Bovineboy2008 (talk). Nominated by Filmomusico (talk) at 03:50, 25 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new enough, long and sourced. The page does not seem to be neutral enough though. The "Plot" section is written like the back of a DVD. It asks exciting questions of the readers and builds up suspense, but it isn't really encyclopedic. That part of the article would have to be completely rewritten. The hook is cited but not interesting, Syfy airs a lot of original horror movies and TV shows in the build up to Halloween every year. I can't think of any althooks but you might be able to find another one @Filmomusico:. BuySomeApples (talk) 06:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: I don't own a DVD and I don't have cable to watch it on. If it helps, I rewrote the "Plot" in my own words from here.--Filmomusico (talk) 16:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Filmomusico: Sorry I didn't mean to imply that you literally copied it from a DVD! I just mean that it's not written like an encyclopedia article. It's like the kind of synopsis you'd have in a movie trailer or DVD jewelbox. You should look at the page for Army of the Dead which was recently on DYK for pointers. The page itself is good, it just needs a little work. A new hook will also need to be provided if you can find one. SyFy releasing an original horror movie isn't really interesting (that's like having a hook about how a drama show was released by FX. BuySomeApples (talk) 18:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ Andrew, Robyn (February 3, 2017). "Day of Reckoning (Movie Review)". Cryptic Rock. Retrieved August 21, 2021.
Articles created/expanded on August 22
Lucien Brouha
- ... that the Harvard step test, developed by Lucien Brouha in 1942, is still being used as a reference test when developing fitness tests? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
- ALT1:... that ...? Source: "Despite criticism and modification by several authors, some researchers still use the HST as a reference test for measuring the physical fitness of men and women of different ages and fitness levels (cf. Banibrata, Tirthankar, & Somnath, 2010; Chen et al., 2006; Illjushin & Abzalov, 2003)." (Vangrunderbeek, Hans; Delheye, Pascal (1 June 2013) (subscription required))
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Allen Hall Theatre – subpage Lisa Warrington
- Comment: Something like 10x expanded, with the major sources being scientific papers. That's a first for me!
5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:24, 28 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 23
February 28 Popular Leagues
- ... that the February 28 Popular Leagues would seize foreign embassies in protest against the military junta in El Salvador?
Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 23:37, 23 August 2021 (UTC).
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- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
- A tweak to wording would be ideal - the hook says "in protest against .. junta" while the phrasing in the article comes in two sentences - "...28 took a militant stance against the ... coup d'état" and "gain attention to the situation in El Salvador, such as occupations of embassy buildings" - this is not fully consistent.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Great on timing, solid on length (3k+), well-sourced and neutral. No plagiarism issues. QPQ OK. Hook is covered by a citation on the 3rd clause, and a back-up one on the 1st - but see above, some work needed on the hook. I will try to help by copyediting the phrasing in the article, but the hook will need some tweaking. Looking forward to approving soon. SeoR (talk) 22:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 24
Huanaki Cultural Centre & Museum
- ... that in 2004 the Huanaki Cultural Centre & Museum in Niue was destroyed by a cyclone? Source: "Included among these losses are the complete destruction of the Huanaki cultural centre, where people would regularly congregate for the cultural displays and dances which are so integral to Niuean culture, and which also included the national museum, which lost 90% of its collection." Barnett, Jon; Ellemor, Heidi (2007). "Niue after Cyclone Heta". Australian Journal of Emergency Management, The. https://search.informit.org/doi/abs/10.3316/ielapa.839358863015639.
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 07:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and sourced. qpq has been provided, and Earwig gives low plagiarism. It is very well referenced, AGF on the not accessible sources. The only hook is cited in the article and interesting. There is no picture. Good to go! Alex2006 (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
James Sofronas
![GMG Racing's Porsche 911 GT3 at Lime Rock Park in 2010](https://web.archive.org/web/20210828185602im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/GMG_Racing_%284835571403%29.jpg/171px-GMG_Racing_%284835571403%29.jpg)
- ... that American racing driver James Sofronas worked as a salesman for tech company Pitney Bowes in order to buy the Nissan NX 2000 his first competitive race required?
- ALT1:... that Global Motorsports Group (GMG)co-founder James Sofronas worked as a salesman for tech company Pitney Bowes in order to have enough money to enter his first race? (GMG car pictured)
- Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Office_of_Public_Works
- Comment: Image does not work with the first hook, but does with the ALT. I have no preference towards either hook.
Created by SmackJam (talk). Nominated by A. C. Santacruz (talk) at 20:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 25
Tāoga Niue Museum
- ... that to rebuild the collection of Tāoga Niue Museum in the aftermath of Cyclone Heta staff searched through rubbish dumps for historic items? Source: "In the aftermath of Cyclone Heta, Ms Enetama says Taoga staff visited rubbish dumps to collect whatever they could find to rebuild their collection." https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/201843366/museum-staff-in-niue-are-working-to-restore-its-treasures
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Southern greater glider (review of northern greater glider)
Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 07:11, 28 August 2021 (UTC).
The Presidential Vote, 1896–1932
- ... that The Presidential Vote, 1896–1932 was praised in the American Political Science Review as "colossal" and "technically perfect"? Source: American Political Science Review
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robert Ward (American politician)
- Comment: Feel free to suggest an alternative, more interesting hook. Sources accessible through the Wikipedia Library on JSTOR, feel free to email me for a copy if you can't access them there.
Created by Elli (talk). Self-nominated at 17:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC).
- Long enough, recent enough, no copyvio, no major policy violations, demonstrates notability under WP:NBOOK#1 and QPQ done. Hook is fine. The infobox's publishing date appears to be wrong (doesn't match prose). You might consider a hook themed around a fact that the book contains: for instance, American Political Science Review highlights,
relatively few counties-to be precise, 619 Democratic and 83 Republican-have maintained a one-party lead throughout the whole period of thirty-six years under discussion. Since the total number of counties in the country is 3,096, this means that, first and last, the extent of the party battle-field is much greater than most commentators have indicated
. — Bilorv (talk) 19:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Long enough, recent enough, no copyvio, no major policy violations, demonstrates notability under WP:NBOOK#1 and QPQ done. Hook is fine. The infobox's publishing date appears to be wrong (doesn't match prose). You might consider a hook themed around a fact that the book contains: for instance, American Political Science Review highlights,
Articles created/expanded on August 26
Cack Henley
- ... that Cack Henley threw the longest complete game shutout in professional baseball history? Source: Alcalá, Carlos (June 8, 2009). "1909 complete-game shutout is one for baseball's record books". The Sacramento Bee. p. B1, B6. Retrieved August 26, 2021 – via Newspapers.com.
The record has not been broken - and perhaps cannot be. One hundred years ago today, a young Sacramentan threw the longest shutout by a single pitcher in professional baseball history: 24 innings.
Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 04:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC).
Marvel's Midnight Suns
- ... that in the upcoming video game Marvel's Midnight Suns, players will be able to create their own superhero in the Marvel Universe? Source: [49]
- Reviewed: TBD
Created by SoWhy (talk). Self-nominated at 07:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC).
Method of moments (electromagnetics)
![Simulations of negative refraction performed through method of moments.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210828185602im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Negative_reflection_from_meta-mirrors.jpg/201px-Negative_reflection_from_meta-mirrors.jpg)
- ... that method of moments is one of the most common simulation techniques in RF and microwave engineering? (example pictured)
Created by Myxomatosis57 (talk). Nominated by A. C. Santacruz (talk) at 21:20, 27 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 27
Daisy (advertisement)
- ... that although the "Daisy" advertisement (pictured) was aired only once, it is considered to be one of the most controversial and popular political advertisements ever? Source:The New York Times, The Library of Congress
- Reviewed: Piano Sonata No. 31 (Beethoven), Shabbir Ahmad Usmani (extra)
Improved to Good Article status by Kavyansh.Singh (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 28 August 2021 (UTC).
- Wasn't a similar DYK already promoted a month ago? by the same nominator? A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 16:56, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Article is a recent GA, long enough and sourced. No copyvio on Earwig and qpq is done I agree with @A.C. Santacruz: I don't think we can run the same hook twice with a different page. This needs a different hook to be approved. BuySomeApples (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's a shame because the hook is really interesting, but the other version was just too similar. BuySomeApples (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Devon Powers
- ... that Devon Powers was influenced by her personal experience as a music journalist to author Writing the Record: The Village Voice and the Birth of Rock Criticism ...? Source: "It was only in talking to one of my professors, Siva Vaidhyanathan, that I realized I could combine my professional practice of rock criticism with my academic studies."[50]
- ALT1:... that, in Writing the Record, Devon Powers argues that 1960s counter-culture music journalists Richard Goldstein[disambiguation needed] and Robert Christgau acted as public intellectuals despite working outside of academia ...? Source: "Powers aims to demonstrate how the early critics 'behaved as public intellectuals and deserve a prominent place in the intellectual history of popular music studies'"[51]
Created by Pburka (talk). Self-nominated at 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: no qpq mentioned. I think the first hook is more interesting than the second. Approval pending qpq status clarification. Please ping me once you do Pburka! --A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Talk 22:00, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 28
Harry Kent (cyclist)
- ... that Harry Kent won New Zealand's first gold medal in cycling at the 1970 British Commonwealth Games, before securing its first medal at the world track championships several weeks later? Sources: Te Ara: The Encyclopedia of New Zealand (first Commonwealth cycling gold); NZ Olympic Committee, Otago Daily Times (first world track championships medal)
- ALT1:... that Harry Kent managed his family's garden nursery after winning New Zealand's first Commonwealth Games gold medal in cycling and first world track championships medal? Sources: Ride: The Story of Cycling in New Zealand (garden + first Commonwealth cycling gold); NZ Olympic Committee, Otago Daily Times (first world track championships medal)
- Reviewed: Tin coinage
- Comment: Eligible per Rule 1d, because it is only scheduled to appear in the "Recent Deaths" section of ITN and not as a bold link.
5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:22, 28 August 2021 (UTC).
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