How do I go about this
I’ve been monitoring a pattern which is growing exponentially, in summary, a non notable biographical article is created then a major cite over kill say over 50 sources are optimized (IMO done deliberately) to inundate and frustrate reviewers, I don’t believe it is pragmatic that anyone would be willing to sit and create a source analysis table dissecting each source, what is your take on this? Do I just AFD the article and say a WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing concrete and the references used in the article are a mirage to create a false sense of notability? I have said something similar in the past but that got me into hot water as the article creator took it as an attack on them, I’m confused on what the best possible course of action to be and I need your advice on this. Celestina007 (talk) 12:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- I agree the over citing can be hard to combat. And yes all that you can do at times is do a BEFORE and end up at AfD where you'll need to try to make your case. In some circumstances you can ask them to choose their 3 best (or maybe 5 best) sources and explain why those don't meet our policies. AGF, even with the spammers who are abusing our reviewers in the way you state, has worked well for me. That is I patiently explain why overciting doesn't help and the sources aren't a high enough quality to meet our standards. But it's not easy and not always successful. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, you make a very salient point about asking them to provide any 3 refs, I knew I could always count on you for guidance. I’d do just as you have suggested moving forward. Celestina007 (talk) 17:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Your comment at VPP
I'm a bit put off by your recent comment at VPP. Rather than responding at such a high profile place I thought it better to express my thoughts here. First I did read the whole proposal and all the comments at the time of my comment and the insinuation that someone is going to reach an incorrect conclusion because they did read the all the comments at the time they participated is not, I think, a fair expectation. My concerns about the proposal are not because I am someone who don't want to lose what they may perceive as a certain type of "power".
My concern is because it would give admin too much power. I certainly agree that the proposal would change blocking culture and not for the better. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm confused by your reaction. I made a general thought about certain types of concerns. I don't believe I said thatall admins felt that way.
- I also, in what I've read of your comments of late at various pages at least, consider you one of the more thoughtful (in the Shakespeare sense of 'full of thought') commenters in a discussion.
- I'm going to re-read my comment to make sure I didn't unintentionally imply that it referred to all admins.
- Thank you for sharing your concerns. - jc37 00:13, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37
one of the more thoughtful (in the Shakespeare sense of 'full of thought') commenters
is the nicest way anyone has ever said that I write too much (an all too true observation). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 00:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)- rofl. speaking as someone who might suffer from that all-too-often affliction of verbosity, you are quite welcome : ) - jc37 00:18, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37
Afghanistan causes recognition of Kosovo to fall within minority of UN member states
Hi, as the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan has ceased to exist the number of UN states that recognize the Republic of Kosovo has fallen to exactly 50% (96/192). This is very significant as it means that the Republic of Kosovo has lost majority recognition in the UN. I would appreciate if you would update the page accordingly.
The page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo
Thanks for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.117.38 (talk) 14:17, August 23, 2021 (UTC)
- IP editor: hopefully you have made these requests at the talk page you link to. That would be the right place to get editor attention. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hello captain
I’m pretty sure I’ve asked this question before and you gave me a mechanism that proved helpful that day, I bookmarked your response but my bookmarked pages are a serious mess and a deep reservoir, manually searching would take up an inordinate amount of time so please I’m re-asking instead, please how do you find the history of an article in red link? Celestina007 (talk) 22:55, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Celestina007 what do you mean by history? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:31, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oh my! I thought you were extremely preoccupied with more serious activities like overseeing the project as a whole hence not allowing you to answer the question sooner. Precisely by “history” I mean,the first account to create the article, note that it is redlinked thus clicking on it would redirect to me to “create this page” I note that this may a little too technical thus I have also asked technical inclined editors here for help in this regard. I’m happy you are chanced to engage me. Celestina007 (talk) 01:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's available in the log which I use through Superlinks which I'm guessing I've recommended to you before. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Yup I thought as much you indeed have taught me this before. Thanks, since my knee injury I’ve been a little bit scatter-brained. But I’m slowly recovering and the pain subsidizing. Celestina007 (talk) 02:42, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's available in the log which I use through Superlinks which I'm guessing I've recommended to you before. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oh my! I thought you were extremely preoccupied with more serious activities like overseeing the project as a whole hence not allowing you to answer the question sooner. Precisely by “history” I mean,the first account to create the article, note that it is redlinked thus clicking on it would redirect to me to “create this page” I note that this may a little too technical thus I have also asked technical inclined editors here for help in this regard. I’m happy you are chanced to engage me. Celestina007 (talk) 01:38, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Review of process to grant administrative privileges
Thanks for your efforts in reviewing the process for granting administrative privileges. Hopefully the conversation will remain sufficiently focused and editors will remain engaged long enough for a fruitful discussion to take place! isaacl (talk) 06:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Isaacl so far I have been pleased with the conversation that has been had and that was my true goal with starting this conversation. I'm hoping that we end phase 1 with closer to 100 participants rather than the 50 or so I would expect from current trend but we shall see. Thanks for writing. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2021 (UTC)