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Deletion of page International Free Expression Project
Hi there Seraphimblade, I wanted to follow up about the deletion of the page International Free Expression Project. I was confused about both the deletion of the article as well as the notation as self-promotionary.
I was surprised at the self-promotionary classification, since I had initially written the page as a draft article, it was published, and then I made minor edits to the page (adding the logo, fixing grammar). At that point, it was deleted. Throughout all of this, I followed the COI requirement of "disclos(ing) your COI when involved with affected articles". Why was it initially fine to publish and exist, but not after these corrections?
And as for the page being deleted, I don't understand why the entire page was deleted, rather than edits suggested or taken. The reasons given were that it did "not conform to some of Wikipedia's content policies" of being notable and having already been the subject of publication by reliable and independent sources. I looked through these pages to confirm, and it checked all three boxes. The editor who published the article evidently agreed.
Why was the article deleted rather than independently edited? And could you please let me know how we can get a new page up that isn't considered self-promotionary? I just now learned that there is a "request edits" template, which I would like to try out when the page is re-created.
Thank you, Ddramacat (talk) 20:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Ddramacat
- Ddramacat, firstly, you say that you are a contractor for the project, which seems to indicate that you are being paid or compensated to edit Wikipedia, which includes being asked or expected to do so as a duty of employment, contracting, or internship. If so, you will need to disclose that as indicated here before we continue. Seraphimblade Talk to me 21:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Seraphimblade, I have done that now (see on my user page here. It looks like I'll then put the Paid contributions tag on the article as well. Thank you for helping me figure this out. Ddramacat (talk) 15:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)Ddramacat
- Thanks for doing that. First off, since you are being paid to edit, please review our conflict of interest guidelines. Paid editors should not be creating or moving articles for which they are paid into mainspace. Rather, such articles should be created as a draft and reviewed by articles for creation. (I'm aware that in this case you, personally, didn't move it to mainspace, but a very new account which hasn't edited much of anything else did, so that's still clearly part of the paid campaign. It needs to actually go through AfC.) Articles must be neutral, stick to facts verified by reliable and independent sources, and not promote anyone or anything. In this case, very nearly all of the cited references were written by the organization itself. We are not interested in having "articles" that are basically brochures parroting the organization's own material. Rather, we are interested in what reliable sources which are independent of the organization have to say about it. The article starts out with marketese "mission" style stuff (
dedicated to building public support for freedom of expression.
), goes on to a needless puffy description of four "initiatives", and basically the entire thing reads like a brochure about the organization, not a neutral encyclopedia article sticking to factual information about it. I am quite honestly not certain that the source material present passes the notability threshold to begin with, but even if that can be met, the article must not "talk up" the organization or be an "About Us" page. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Feedback request: All RFCs request for comment
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Jason Lamarche
Draft talk:Jason Lamarche (Canadian politician) page updated after fundamental rewrite. Please advise if ready for publishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 360flips (talk • contribs)
- 360flips, if you believe that the draft is ready, please utilize the articles for creation process. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Please excuse my n00bness, is this page ready, or properly formatted for next steps?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Jason_Lamarche_(Canadian_politician)&create=Create+new+article+draft#/editor/all
- Again, I have directed you to the instructions for use of the articles for creation process, above. Please use that process for review of a draft. I do not have time to comprehensively review that at this time. Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
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For accepting the difficult and time-consuming task that is closing the massive BHG thread on ANI [1] Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC) |
- Seconded! And especially for following through by distilling down what felt like several megabytes of discussion into a clear closure rationale and decision. Narky Blert (talk) 16:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Question about deleted link
Hello Seraphimablade! Thanks so much for your care for and attention to the details of keeping Wikipedia awesome. And thanks for messaging me to let me know that you reverted my change.
I would love to know exactly why my edit "seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia". (To remind you: I had added an external link on the The Garden of Earthly Delights article: I linked to a YouTube video of what is, to my knowledge, the first recording of the piece of music which is notated in the right panel of the painting.) In my judgment, this link is entirely relevant to the article; as explained in the article, music is an important element of the painting. The performance to which I linked is an earnest and well-researched effort to perform the piece of music contained in the artwork. I am very interested to learn why this wouldn't be considered a relevant external link. Thanks again! Solomon Douglas (talk) 06:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Solomon Douglas, Wikipedia is not for pushing YouTube videos. Many of our articles would be drowning in external links if we linked to every YouTube video about them. With rare exception, it is not acceptable to link YouTube videos in the "external links" section. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Solomon Douglas (talk) 07:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
AN/I
Well done. Thank you.—S Marshall T/C 10:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Seconded. St★lwart111 13:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Small suggestion re wording of ANI close
Sorry to nitpick, but the first bullet point in your closing message says that no one involved was entirely blameless
. But SQL was named as an involved party from the beginning, and during the (long) ensuing discussion I didn't see anyone (except perhaps BHG) suggest that they had behaved in any way inappropriately. Unless you really did mean to imply that SQL deserves some blame in the matter, I would humbly suggest striking or rewording this portion of the close message. Colin M (talk) 16:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your suggestion, but I cannot imagine something that I am less interested in doing, to be honest, than trying to play at who exactly did what when. I don't think anyone comes out of a blowup like that looking too great, and some things could have benefited from simply being dropped altogether. So it's my hope that everyone can just have their own thoughts on that and that we can move on from it. Seraphimblade Talk to me
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