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Question From Kennethmank13
Hi i have a question i believe i recieved an article review from you and it was declined, if you could help me with what needs to be fixed that would be really great. Bilorv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Kennethmank13! New discussions go at the bottom of talk pages—there should be a "New section" button that'll put it in the right place automatically. On talk pages, you end comments with four tildes (
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) to produce a signature. I'm guessing you're talking about Draft:Tex Brown (Season 1). Have you seen the comment I wrote, beneath the two decline templates? What particular thing is confusing you? — Bilorv (talk) 14:32, 15 July 2021 (UTC)- Oh Yes I have, So you told me 1st i believe that 1st any information should be moved from the split season to the main article and that if needed, There can be a split article created for the season, So I Added The information from The Draft Season To The main Tex Brown Article. But what was the other issue, So it can be corrected. Bilorv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Kennethmank13: remember to sign your comments. It looks to me like you've done everything I suggested. A page is only split into multiple pages when it's too big to contain all the information, but here the page Tex Brown is still not very large. If more information is added and it became maybe double or triple the size it is now, then a split could be considered. Thanks for your contributions! — Bilorv (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok Thank You!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 05:38, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Kennethmank13: remember to sign your comments. It looks to me like you've done everything I suggested. A page is only split into multiple pages when it's too big to contain all the information, but here the page Tex Brown is still not very large. If more information is added and it became maybe double or triple the size it is now, then a split could be considered. Thanks for your contributions! — Bilorv (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh Yes I have, So you told me 1st i believe that 1st any information should be moved from the split season to the main article and that if needed, There can be a split article created for the season, So I Added The information from The Draft Season To The main Tex Brown Article. But what was the other issue, So it can be corrected. Bilorv — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmank13 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Re:Into the Unknown: Making Frozen II
Thanks for your concerns on Into the Unknown: Making Frozen II, the article which a nominated for Good article a few days ago. I apologize for not consulting the article with a significant contributor. To resolve the issues, would you like me to withdraw my GAN? The tasks listed in the GAN are almost done and are awaiting reviews. What do you think? Wingwatchers (talk) 05:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Wingwatchers: no I think you can go ahead with the GAN. I think the article is around GA standard and if a reviewer agrees then that's great. — Bilorv (talk) 07:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
FAC question
Hello again. I hope you are doing well. I have a quick FAC-related question. My FAC has already attracted a good deal of support (and thank you again for your support) and an image/media review. It is only missing a source review. I do not mean to come across as impatient as I am sure someone will do a source review, but I was wondering if there was anything that I could to find a source reviewer? I am just a little frustrated by the lack of progress over the past few days. Aoba47 (talk) 05:49, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Aoba47: yeah, I think there've been relatively few people recently who want to do source reviews. The FAC is already listed at Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Image/source check requests and short of asking someone personally "would you mind doing a source review here?", I don't think you can speed anything up. I'm pretty sure something with this much support is (almost) never closed because of a missing source review—when worst comes to worst, I've seen a co-ordinator do the review themselves and then close the nomination as successful (though that's quite a generous thing to do). — Bilorv (talk) 10:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. I agree that there appear to be relatively few people who do source reviews for the FACs. I can understand why to some extent as it does take time and work to do a source review correctly. I will try to be more patient with it and let the process run its course. I should try to help out with source reviews for FAC so the responsibility does not always come down on the same editors. Have a great week! Aoba47 (talk) 18:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Question from Clamorhouse (22:16, 20 July 2021)
Hi, I need to post a biography for a client. Is there a tutorial page for that type of article?
THANKS! --Clamorhouse (talk) 22:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Clamorhouse: please read the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You need to disclose your conflict of interest in the ways described there. Wikipedia is neutral, so we do not post adverts or hagiographies. We only cover topics which meet our "notability" definition. If you show me the reliable independent in-depth references you have then I can give you a good estimate as to whether the topic is notable.
- Your client should know that the article about them is not under their control, will reflect any negative information about them that is public, cannot be deleted if they don't like it and conversely can be deleted if the community decides that the subject is not notable. Instructions about how to properly disclose your conflict of interest and, if you still wish to, to create a draft that can be assessed by an independent volunteer are found at link in the first sentence. Hope this answers your question. — Bilorv (talk) 01:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Harry Potter characters' infobox (house)
Hi there, I have a question regarding the house of Harry Potter characters displayed in the infobox. A week ago an IP user made an edit request at the talk page of Sirius Black, which I completed making this edit. As you would've seen that he/she made one more request pinging me there, I wanted to take some guidance from any experienced editor. Please note that I want help in knowing whether making same changes on all the characters' pages would be right or not, and not in how to do it. Thank you. -ink&fables «talk» 13:06, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- @-ink&fables: thanks for asking! In this case, it really does seem like it's an objective improvement—it is in-universe information. Some people might object to the parameter altogether, or its inclusion in some articles (like where the House is less important, as for adult characters we encounter outside of Hogwarts), but you wouldn't be changing this. I think there's no problem with going around this and doing this for up to a few dozen pages (however many it applies to), marking the edits as minor if you want. If someone starts reverting you or objects, then it needs discussion, but I'd say Be Bold applies. If you don't have the time/interest yourself, you can ask the IP to make edit requests on the protected pages and fix any unprotected pages by themselves. — Bilorv (talk) 14:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for a quick reply. I'll do it by myself, there are less than 20 characters who have their own wikipedia article. -ink&fables «talk» 15:26, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Approving draft: Advitya (film)
Kindly approve the page. These are well known news papers in India. Assameseboy (talk) 09:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Assameseboy: you resubmitted this draft with no changes since the previous decline. That's very rude, because you're ignoring the time someone volunteered in order to give you feedback, and it seems like you don't have an interest in working collaboratively or learning the rules our community has.
- The majority of sources you gave are either not independent of the subject—interviews with cast & crew fall into this category—or do not go beyond routine coverage, such as saying "this film will be released and will star..." The easiest way for a film article to show notability is to demonstrate the first condition of WP:NFO: this way, you have to wait until the film is actually released and then give two reviews by well-respected critics. The only non-routine source you have is a review in Purbodix, but I can't see how this website is well-known because I can't find any other instances of it being used on the English Wikipedia; I don't see why it's reliable because it doesn't say much on its "Editorial" or "Contact" pages about its corrections policy, fact-checking methods and whether its writers are all professional staff. — Bilorv (talk) 09:44, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- So far I have mentioned all the present news website links that I have found in Google. Please do not mind for that I resubmitted the page. Well now I understood that the page requires more trusted sources. As soon as I get any other links, I will then resubmit it to you. Then do review and approve the page. Most likely, after the film gets released.. I will contact you. Till then I request you please do not delete this page and let it remain a draft only. Assameseboy (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Assameseboy: thank you for the reply. Drafts are not deleted unless there are no edits for six months (and you receive a warning about this if it reaches five months), so if you keep updating it more regularly than that then there will not be an issue. — Bilorv (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi! Could you please tell me what are the conditions or, types of publications or internet sources required in order to create a biography of a film director? It will be a great help if you give me a little hint. Thanks and regards:) Assameseboy (talk) 11:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Assameseboy: take a look at WP:RSP for some examples of good and bad sources. The sources don't have to be English-language, or available on the internet, but they need to be widely-distributed and have strong fact-checking policies (so not tabloids). — Bilorv (talk) 13:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi! Could you please tell me what are the conditions or, types of publications or internet sources required in order to create a biography of a film director? It will be a great help if you give me a little hint. Thanks and regards:) Assameseboy (talk) 11:39, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Assameseboy: thank you for the reply. Drafts are not deleted unless there are no edits for six months (and you receive a warning about this if it reaches five months), so if you keep updating it more regularly than that then there will not be an issue. — Bilorv (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- So far I have mentioned all the present news website links that I have found in Google. Please do not mind for that I resubmitted the page. Well now I understood that the page requires more trusted sources. As soon as I get any other links, I will then resubmit it to you. Then do review and approve the page. Most likely, after the film gets released.. I will contact you. Till then I request you please do not delete this page and let it remain a draft only. Assameseboy (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Beat me to it
Teahouse host fast, accurate answer award | |
Thank you for your rapid and accurate answer at the Teahouse; you managed to beat me to it! Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 16:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC) |
- @Rubbish computer: thanks, I appreciate it! — Bilorv (talk) 16:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Question from Nievesismyname (15:38, 27 July 2021)
Hello! Thanks for reaching out! How do I just delete the article I created? Or disassociate with me? It keeps getting flagged as COI, which it is not. And it's utterly frustrating. :-( --Nievesismyname (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Nievesismyname: we can definitely work this through without just deleting the article. All Wikipedia articles are inherently owned by nobody and can be radically rewritten by anybody. I'll start by explaining why this COI flag exists and why it's applied here—this doesn't mean you have done anything wrong. Despite aiming to provide a neutral point of view, we get lots of people here to advertise and promote their own interests, without any actual interest in writing an encyclopedia. They don't usually signpost that that's what they're doing, even though it's against our rules to not disclose it, so long-term editors have to make their best guess at what is and isn't in this category. There's going to be a lot of mistakes associated with this, because we don't always have enough information to actually work things out. But we need the tag to get more eyes on it, so others can rewrite it and check whether it should be improved or deleted.
- I can ask the editors in question what made them think there could be COI in this situation, and I'm sure we can get to a resolution where the tag can be removed. The only thing that stands out is that you uploaded File:Aina Dumlao by David Muller.jpg. Where did you get this image from? You said that it's your "own work" and that you're releasing the copyright freely, but the copyright would (almost certainly) be owned by David Muller if he took the photo, so are you David Muller?
- Unrelatedly, I noticed that you had some copied text, sometimes where you changed a word or two, from online sources. This is called close paraphrasing or, in the more extreme cases, copyright violation. This is a legal problem for us, so please make sure you remove anything else from the article that was copied from somewhere else, even if you changed a word or two. To not be close paraphrasing, you need to be rewording a sentence substantially in structure—it's fine if your sentence has the same meaning and information, but not if it's only a word or so different. — Bilorv (talk) 16:06, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jolyon_Petch
Hello Bilorv,
Jolyon_Petch's own official site has released the copyright. What else does one need? Can we remove the other references? Others have copied the same thing from his official site...
https://www.jolyonpetch.com/discography-new.html
Please check and let me know if you can accept it.
Thank you Ainamera22 (talk) 04:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: okay, so the prose (https://www.jolyonpetch.com/about.html) and the table both come from Petch's official site? He says on one page, "Biography is copyright free for fair use", and on the other, "Material is Copyright free and available for fair use". I think this is acceptable as a disclosure of the material into the public domain, but it is a bit confusing, because fair use is about copyrighted (not public domain) material, so it can't be both "copyright free" and "fair use" (and the copyright holder is not in control of what is/isn't fair use). I've asked here about what the copyright status of the text is.
- If we assumed that the text is public domain, we still have a couple of problems: copying without attribution is still plagiarism and we'd need to use a template like {{Free-content attribution}} in the reference section. Additionally, copying a press release is antithetical to our neutral point of view and editorial independence from advertisers and conflicts of interest. Any text copied from an artist needs to be checked and rewritten for neutrality and accuracy with a fine-tooth comb. — Bilorv (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: I think it is saying that the content is copyright free only for fair use and not for commercial usage. We can use the attribution tag you mentioned. Ainamera22 (talk) 16:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: but in that case we cannot use the content, because (a) fair use is not in the control of the copyright holder (by definition you can always use text if it's fair use); and (b) we do not use fair use text, except as brief attributed quotations. The template I gave is not appropriate and instead the content needs to be completely rewritten in your own words. The comment I've received so far at the WikiProject I asked this question at seems in line with what I was thinking about this. — Bilorv (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: What if they send an email to Wikipedia? Ainamera22 (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: the content on Wikipedia articles is entirely volunteer-driven and we are part of the open source community, so doing things behind closed doors (via email) is almost never the right move. The way to fix this would be to get them to properly release the content into the public domain on their website or getting them to use a license like CC0. However, this fails to address the problems I gave above with copying a press release. It would also be useful to know: what relationship do you have with Jolyon Petch? — Bilorv (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: I read somewhere that you can send an email to Wikipedia OTRS to release the copyrights? Can you please explain the "Copying a press release" thing? I am his nephew's friend. Please check the website again: http://www.jolyonpetch.com/discography-new.html http://www.jolyonpetch.com/about.html Ainamera22 (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: yes, you can contact OTRS, but I don't think that's a useful step in this case.
The change in disclosure as Petch has done on his website would be fine but CC-BY-SA 4.0 is not compatible with Wikipedia, as we use 3.0. See this page for more. - You need to read this guideline page about conflicts of interest, as someone with a personal connection to the subject: I'd recommend adding the userbox to your (currently non-existent) userpage.
- I don't know what part of my explanation you didn't understand:
copying a press release is antithetical to our neutral point of view and editorial independence from advertisers and conflicts of interest. Any text copied from an artist needs to be checked and rewritten for neutrality and accuracy with a fine-tooth comb.
Can you explain what you need more information about? — Bilorv (talk) 01:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)- And someone else has just brought it to my attention that I'm an idiot and CC-BY 4.0 (different to CC-BY-SA 4.0) is compatible with Wikipedia, so the content can be used in the draft with {{Free-content attribution}} (and I've unblanked it and added the templates), but the point I made that we don't just parrot press releases still applies. — Bilorv (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: So, what can I do now? Isn't it in a neutral tone already? The major issue was regarding his discography, which I can't think of any other way to add. I added the COI on my userpage... Should I submit it again for you to review? Ainamera22 (talk) 03:44, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- And someone else has just brought it to my attention that I'm an idiot and CC-BY 4.0 (different to CC-BY-SA 4.0) is compatible with Wikipedia, so the content can be used in the draft with {{Free-content attribution}} (and I've unblanked it and added the templates), but the point I made that we don't just parrot press releases still applies. — Bilorv (talk) 02:08, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: yes, you can contact OTRS, but I don't think that's a useful step in this case.
- @Bilorv: I read somewhere that you can send an email to Wikipedia OTRS to release the copyrights? Can you please explain the "Copying a press release" thing? I am his nephew's friend. Please check the website again: http://www.jolyonpetch.com/discography-new.html http://www.jolyonpetch.com/about.html Ainamera22 (talk) 00:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: the content on Wikipedia articles is entirely volunteer-driven and we are part of the open source community, so doing things behind closed doors (via email) is almost never the right move. The way to fix this would be to get them to properly release the content into the public domain on their website or getting them to use a license like CC0. However, this fails to address the problems I gave above with copying a press release. It would also be useful to know: what relationship do you have with Jolyon Petch? — Bilorv (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: What if they send an email to Wikipedia? Ainamera22 (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Ainamera22: but in that case we cannot use the content, because (a) fair use is not in the control of the copyright holder (by definition you can always use text if it's fair use); and (b) we do not use fair use text, except as brief attributed quotations. The template I gave is not appropriate and instead the content needs to be completely rewritten in your own words. The comment I've received so far at the WikiProject I asked this question at seems in line with what I was thinking about this. — Bilorv (talk) 16:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: I think it is saying that the content is copyright free only for fair use and not for commercial usage. We can use the attribution tag you mentioned. Ainamera22 (talk) 16:11, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ainamera22: thank you for adding the COI template. You can resubmit the draft if you feel that it is ready and another reviewer will take a look at it. I won't review it again so that we can get a new opinion. — Bilorv (talk) 10:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: Okays. Thanks for everything! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ainamera22 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Question about New Article Review
Thank you for reviewing and moving to article space a recent page about a literature subject I created. In the pursuit to enrich the encyclopedia, I have another draft article that is very brief, only two paragraphs long or so, and recently published it, but it moved straight to space with no pending submission box or deadline for review; can you take a quick look at it? --> Ramon Rivas. I tried reaching out to another user for help with this, but he seems to be missing in action - Thanks again! Multi7001 (talk) 06:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Multi7001: thanks for the question! In due course someone will patrol this article and they have a number of options available, including nominating it for deletion, moving it to draftspace or marking it patrolled (so that it remains as a live article). We have a bit of a backlog in this process, I believe, as it's a very time-consuming task that requires a lot of expertise. I'm not comfortable enough myself to mark it patrolled, but I'm definitely not seeing any issues that make me think it needs immediate deletion. — Bilorv (talk) 10:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
The Skateboarding Bible (draft)
Hello, the book is originally French, and the links and references that you can see at the bottom of the draft page are very reputable media links in France. The book is still quite recent in the USA and Anglo Saxon countries, so very little media is promoting it. How can I do ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TylerWXy (talk • contribs) 14:07, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @TylerWXy: whether sources are in French or English or another language is not an issue, but the sources given are passing coverage in media that doesn't look very reliable. In the case that no more sources exist about the book, the topic is not notable and cannot have a Wikipedia article, even if you were to write the most pristine and perfect draft. Wikipedia has notability requirements for a number of reasons, including to discourage people turning us into an advertising platform, to limit our scope to a size that is manageable for our volunteers to maintain, to make sure that each article has the potential to be expanded to a considerable size without sacrificing factual accuracy and to maintain a high reputation among the public. — Bilorv (talk) 14:18, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- But these are totally reliable sources, since they are national newspapers from the French Country (West of the Country): https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouest-France
- and there are plenty of other sources: https://www.ouest-france.fr/pays-de-la-loire/angers-49000/angers-le-skateboard-maxime-en-fait-tout-un- book-6020673
- https://lemans.maville.com/sortir/infos_-clermont-creans.-ce-jeune-sarthois-publie-la-bible-du-skateboard-_52734-3574287_actu.Htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by TylerWXy (talk • contribs) 14:23, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @TylerWXy: have you read the policies and guidelines linked in the draft decline rationale and my comment above? It seems like you are responding faster than is humanely possible to consider and absorb the information I am pointing you to. You can find an answer to your own questions by doing this. Ouest-France is reliable, but not in-depth because it doesn't give detailed critical commentary on the book's prose, storyline, themes etc. (an in-depth review looks like this, for a random example). Other sources like Beach Brother or Skateboard Academy do not look reliable, and they are in any case passing coverage (not in-depth). You should sign comments on talk pages by ending them in the code
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and indent them by using one more colon (:) than the previous message begins with. — Bilorv (talk) 14:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @TylerWXy: have you read the policies and guidelines linked in the draft decline rationale and my comment above? It seems like you are responding faster than is humanely possible to consider and absorb the information I am pointing you to. You can find an answer to your own questions by doing this. Ouest-France is reliable, but not in-depth because it doesn't give detailed critical commentary on the book's prose, storyline, themes etc. (an in-depth review looks like this, for a random example). Other sources like Beach Brother or Skateboard Academy do not look reliable, and they are in any case passing coverage (not in-depth). You should sign comments on talk pages by ending them in the code
A barnstar for you!
The Civility Barnstar | |
So much work goes unnoticed, but when an editor takes extra time to write inclusively and work collaboratively behind the scenes like to you did with the draft of Transgender acceptance in Wales ... it deserves to be recognised. Thank you for making this a better working environment for everyone. Goldsztajn (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC) |
- Thank you, Goldsztajn, I really appreciate this. — Bilorv (talk) 23:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for participating in my recent RFA
I appreciate your support and trust in my recent run for admin. I'm especially grateful for your nice comments in support. I've had an interesting first few weeks and am learning a lot by being able to better watch (through tools) what admins do. Please call on me if you see making an error, or if you just need help. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 18:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
My submission for the 131ers article
I would like to ask you why my article for the 131ers keeps on being declined, by both you and others. I have checked the Wikipedia guidelines for notoriety as well as references and sources, and to my knowledge the article is perfectly fit to be published. Yet it keeps on being declined. Please clarify this for me so that I can know what to fix with my article so it can be published. Thank you for your time. Cboi Sandlin (talk) 03:03, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Cboi Sandlin: thank you for the question. In the case of my review, you had resubmitted the draft with no changes. This comes across as rude, like you aren't interested in working with others or following our rules. If you don't understand a decline reason, you should ask the reviewer rather than resubmitting. I am not seeing strength and depth of sourcing in the article that shows notability:
- IMDb is not reliable (it's mostly user-generated)
- Xune Mag looks like quite a small/obscure publication, and the review is not particularly detailed.
- New Noise seems to interview the band, which would make the source not independent. This is probably still the best source, but we need several to show notability.
- Open the Trunk and TooFab are definitely interviews and not independent.
- Folknrock is routine coverage of a particular performance, which isn't significant.
- If the band are not notable (which is perfectly possible) then the issue is not with you, but the topic, and there is no way we can host an article on them. If the band are notable, you need more sources to show this. — Bilorv (talk) 10:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from Wordslicer (17:22, 7 August 2021)
Thank you. I am sure I will be in touch very soon. --Wordslicer (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Derivation of E=mc^(2n+2) from Einstein's E=mc^2
I noticed you had declined the draft of Derivation of E=mc^(2n+2) from Einstein's E=mc^2 at AfC; I've tagged it for speedy deletion, with A11 seeming the best fit for something where even the units in the title don't make sense. XOR'easter (talk) 21:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @XOR'easter: it looked like a hoax or crankery to me, but I'm no physicist. I agree that the A11 fits and am glad to see someone coming to the same conclusion as me. — Bilorv (talk) 21:32, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sigh. And now it's back in draft space, despite there being literally no chance of making an article out of it. I don't really know the protocol for such situations, but it seems like the best case is that it just languishes taking up space until it gets G13'ed. XOR'easter (talk) 05:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Quite. This didn't meet the three WP:DRAFTIFY conditions, Liz, because there is no "potential merit" (the topic is nonsense) and it's also not true that "there is no evidence of active improvement". It did meet A11 though. — Bilorv (talk) 10:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just noticed this, either an endorsement of the A11 or even permission for U1. I'm really not understanding what your logic here was, Liz. I think the page should be deleted now, as it's either that or it'll eventually be G13'd, possibly with some wasted volunteer time in the intermediate period. — Bilorv (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- @XOR'easter: just letting you know that it's been undeleted (Draft:Derivation of E=mc^(2n+2) from Einstein's E=mc^2). I think we'll be going in circles by CSD'ing again but you could MFD or we could just leave it (I'm watchlisting and will decline if the author resubmits, assuming it's still looking like crankery). — Bilorv (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification. There is sometimes a sentiment against taking this kind of thing to MfD (see a recent example). XOR'easter (talk) 04:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- In case anyone needs an explanation of why this will never be an article: it makes no sense to raise c to a power other than 2 in the mass-energy relation. If you multiply a mass by a speed raised to any power other than 2, you don't get a quantity with units of energy. Simply put, it fails the test that is just about the most basic check-your-work method a physics class would teach. The "references" are what we'd expect for this kind of thing, namely, irrelevant. The first is about apparent superluminal motion in astronomy due to tricks of perspective. The second is a collection of papers about standard relativity theory. "Mass-energy continuum" is a phrase made up by the author of the draft. The third is about one of those oddities where if you define "velocity" in a way that's not physically meaningful for the problem at hand, you can get a number larger than c. The fourth is some people's attempt to invent an extension of ordinary relativity where velocities are larger than c; it's a mathematical exercise with no relevance to the real world, particularly because it only works if space is one-dimensional. These are just the sort of irrelevancies you'd get if you wrote first and then Googled around for "references" to sprinkle in later. In fact, when I Googled "relativity faster than light" just now, the third hit was a churned press release for citation #4. XOR'easter (talk) 17:00, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Mehedihasn to this explanation, for what it's worth. We are suggesting that you abandon this draft. — Bilorv (talk) 17:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- @XOR'easter: just letting you know that it's been undeleted (Draft:Derivation of E=mc^(2n+2) from Einstein's E=mc^2). I think we'll be going in circles by CSD'ing again but you could MFD or we could just leave it (I'm watchlisting and will decline if the author resubmits, assuming it's still looking like crankery). — Bilorv (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just noticed this, either an endorsement of the A11 or even permission for U1. I'm really not understanding what your logic here was, Liz. I think the page should be deleted now, as it's either that or it'll eventually be G13'd, possibly with some wasted volunteer time in the intermediate period. — Bilorv (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Quite. This didn't meet the three WP:DRAFTIFY conditions, Liz, because there is no "potential merit" (the topic is nonsense) and it's also not true that "there is no evidence of active improvement". It did meet A11 though. — Bilorv (talk) 10:08, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sigh. And now it's back in draft space, despite there being literally no chance of making an article out of it. I don't really know the protocol for such situations, but it seems like the best case is that it just languishes taking up space until it gets G13'ed. XOR'easter (talk) 05:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing this to AfD. I think there's an extra "not" in the last sentence of your nomination. XOR'easter (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Help with Playboy Article
Hi Bilorv. You helped me out with updates to the International editions section on the Playboy article recently. I've posted a new request to update a low quality source, and make a change in the introduction, but so far, haven't had any response. You can see the full request on Talk:Playboy. I was hoping you'd review the request and implement the changes if you agree with them. Thanks! PLBY ZG (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Original Barnstar | |
Thank you for being kind and helpful. I really appreciate the time you have taken to review "Lights Up' and helped it become a FA. Viridian Bovary (talk) 06:42, 14 August 2021 (UTC) |
- @Viridian Bovary: thanks, glad to see it passed! — Bilorv (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from John Gray 23 (11:40, 15 August 2021)
Hello How can I move an article on draft space to main Wikipedia --John Gray 23 (talk) 11:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- @John Gray 23: you do not have technical permission to do this yet, because of your account age (though you've reached the edit number requirement). Even if you had this ability, I would strongly recommend that you go through the Articles for Creation process instead. This way, an experienced volunteer reviews the draft and if they think it doesn't show notability or one of our other major requirements for articles then they will decline the submission and the draft will remain there for you to improve (although topics need to be notable or no improvement will be possible). If you move the article to mainspace yourself then an experienced volunteer reviews it through a harsher process, because mainspace articles are live and affect our reputation, and it could be deleted straight away (no option to improve it and "resubmit").
- Most people create drafts through Wikipedia:Article wizard, which lets you submit them to Articles for Creation when you're ready. As I'm not seeing the normal template that such a draft would have on the one you created, I don't think it's easy for you to submit this yourself but just let me know and I can submit it for you (I have a tool to do so).
- Can I ask what drew your interest to this particular subject? If you have a connection to Kashmoney The Force or have been paid by them then that is allowed, but you need to follow some transparency rules. — Bilorv (talk) 15:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Kashmoney The Force is an artiste in Port Harcourt that has been doing some notable works and I think should be put on Wikipedia
- Before you submit the post however I would like you to check the article if it will be approved or not if it will be approved I give you my permission to submit it John Gray 23 (talk) 19:45, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- And the article I wrote was scratch content and I was not paid neither was I in anyway connected to Kashmoney the force John Gray 23 (talk) 19:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Okay John Gray 23, on Wikipedia we assume good faith so I believe what you've said. Do you have any other accounts or connection to the two creations of the page in mainspace (Kashmoney The Force), both versions of which were deleted? (I can't see their deleted contribution history or content any more than you can as I don't have such technical permissions.) If so, again you'd just need to disclose it I think.
- I am an Articles for Creation reviewer, but we all have different opinions so I can only speak for myself. Personally, if I were reviewing this draft I'd put it in the "difficult" pile because it's not obvious what decision to make—so I'd expect there's some chance of it being accepted and some chance of decline. If there are any more reliable, independent, in-depth sources about the artist then you would be improving your chances by adding them. If you take out the YouTube links (these aren't good sources), all of the external links in the article's prose (lead and Career section) and read Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once to merge the three separate copies of the reference titled "I'm living a life of purpose with my service to mankind" then you would be making the strongest positive impression on the reviewer (as well as typographical things that you can work out for yourself —like the word "recently" shouldn't have a hyperlink and "THA EMPIRE DREAMIN RECORDS" shouldn't be in all capital letters).
- I linked Wikipedia:Notability before and you might also like to read this section/article: Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals. Just to reiterate, if the community decides that Kashmoney The Force is not notable then not even a perfectly written draft will be accepted (or kept after any possible deletion discussions). It's very tough to work out if things are notable before you start writing drafts on them, but let me know if you'd like further information on what I think are good ways to find other subjects that are pretty certain to be notable. — Bilorv (talk) 23:33, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- So my draft was deleted no reason was provided.
- I need to create an article about Kashmoney the force and I don’t know how to go about it.
- The artiste, is a very notable artiste and I will appreciate help to create w wiki article John Gray 23 (talk) 19:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Please read my previous messages, which address your second and third sentences. For the first, the draft was deleted with the reason "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Pinging Deb and Bbb23: I see the previous G5 deletion of the draft now—is this a case of sockpuppetry? — Bilorv (talk) 22:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from Paulnguyenun on Codebase (04:50, 19 August 2021)
Hi --Paulnguyenun (talk) 04:50, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Wondering in relation to Draft:Antoons
Hello, hope you don't mind me talking here. I wanted to ask in regards to Socialblade. You said you didn't want auto-curated stats from Socialblade, but all the other YouTube Wiki pages, like Chris Stuckmann and PewDiePie, use Socialblade as a source. Why is it okay for those pages to use it and not this one? Defender miz (talk) 01:48, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Defender miz, good question! I'm sure you can appreciate that with over six million articles and just a few thousand core volunteers, Wikipedia contains lots of articles with issues in them. Every day I come across copyright violations, neutrality issues, unreliable sources and falsehoods. Wikipedia is a work in progress. When less than 1 in 150 articles meet the not-so-lofty standard of "good", relying on other articles rather than reasoning based on our core policies like Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources is not good unless you know for a fact that the other article is of a reasonable quality. Some people call this argument "Other stuff exists".
- You can see that there are sourcing issues with Chris Stuckmann from the banner at the top, and though PewDiePie seems to be in better shape (it's even a good article) I would contest Social Blade as unreliable. What those pages do demonstrate that your draft didn't is notability, through other sources that are reliable, independent and in-depth. Hope this helps! — Bilorv (talk) 09:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from Raaj Champia on John Titor (18:34, 21 August 2021)
I think It's Come 6302 Year.Will be start war Feature.What Happend Next No Anyone Knows? --Raaj Champia (talk) 18:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Raaj Champia, I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Can you rephrase? — Bilorv (talk) 21:05, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Stereotype threat
Based on your recent edits at Trauma trigger and White privilege, I'm writing to give you a heads-up that another pair of eyes would be useful at Stereotype threat if you have time. Thanks, Generalrelative (talk) 14:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Replied, thanks. — Bilorv (talk) 14:46, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. Generalrelative (talk) 15:13, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
Question about rejection
Sorry but how is it not improved? We added national Chinese publications, it was the 3rd highest grossing film in China over a weekend and I don’t understand how copying a synopsis is copyright? It’s the official synopsis for public release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.93.217.56 (talk) 16:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not easy to guess without a link, but I assume you're talking about Draft:Re Dai Wang Shi (Are You Lonesome Tonight?)? All published material is by default copyrighted, so we need to see an appropriate Creative Commons (not NC) or public domain release notice from the original copyright holder (and even then, we need to see more rigorous attribution if it's CC with BY). However, it's better anyway to rewrite the synopsis in your own words—Wikipedia doesn't use "teaser"-like language that synopses do (the style of writing that's like "a girl meets an unfortunate end after encountering a mysterious message from her past"). Additionally, beyond the synopsis source (which doesn't show notability because it's not independent if it's copying a press release synopsis) I can't see what sources you added between the rejection here and my more recent rejection. You will really struggle to get this approved unless you can show two reviews in national publications (see WP:NFO). If there are already such sources, summarise them in a "Reception" section.
- You'll also need to read WP:COI and WP:PAID and disclose your connection with the subject. — Bilorv (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
"While pornography is allowed..."
It made perfect sense, I proudly maintain! But yes, now that you mention it, the word "while" was terribly ambiguous, as if to say "though" when I meant it to mean "so long as"; good riddance to it, your minimalist approach makes mine look full-on bloated. And no, I have no good excuse for forgetting to write "is", that was 100% stupid, end of story. Anyway, I hope you're having an alright Monday, all things considered. Keep on keeping occasionally lazy, careless and/or distracted volunteer proofreaders like this shameful miscreant honest, comrade! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:15, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- @InedibleHulk: thanks for the message! It's the "is" that really threw me, but I see what you mean now. One of the things I love most about Wikipedia is that there is some room for laziness in the proofreading step, as someone else can come along and do that for you... — Bilorv (talk) 18:27, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Or so at least we sometimes take for granted. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but mark my words, someday a great reckless bastard shall come and screw something up so "royally" that all the good watchdog watchers shall leave this site and never come again! Or maybe I'm just stoned and misappropriating something I heard in Fraggle Rock, as is my major malfunction. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- @InedibleHulk: I'm untouchable. Years of work at WP:AFC has completely inoculated me against bad grammar, spelling, formatting and other crimes against the English language. You couldn't write something worse than the worst thing I've seen if you tried. — Bilorv (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Good to hear, brother! But rest assured, I ain't dat dere aforetold bringer o' bane. Such a scourge may not even be born yet, more something our softer successors need best beware. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- @InedibleHulk: I'm untouchable. Years of work at WP:AFC has completely inoculated me against bad grammar, spelling, formatting and other crimes against the English language. You couldn't write something worse than the worst thing I've seen if you tried. — Bilorv (talk) 22:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- Or so at least we sometimes take for granted. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but mark my words, someday a great reckless bastard shall come and screw something up so "royally" that all the good watchdog watchers shall leave this site and never come again! Or maybe I'm just stoned and misappropriating something I heard in Fraggle Rock, as is my major malfunction. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:41, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Question from Beauty Bowie (13:07, 24 August 2021)
Hellow, I want to change my user name. How to go about it? --Beauty Bowie (talk) 13:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Beauty Bowie: it's not acceptable to talk to editors like you did here. You will be blocked for personal attacks if you continue to do so. You must not tell volunteers to "stay away" from pages. What accounts do you have other than this one? And what did you mean by "We are receiving a lot of complaints about [Ekdalian]" (who is "we")? — Bilorv (talk) 13:11, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Why Marx Was Right
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2021 (UTC)