- For instructions on how to nominate an article, see below.
This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.
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May 23 | 1 | |
June 7 | 1 | |
June 13 | 1 | |
June 21 | 1 | |
June 22 | 1 | |
July 1 | 1 | |
July 2 | 1 | |
July 4 | ||
July 6 | 1 | |
July 10 | 1 | |
July 11 | 3 | 1 |
July 12 | 2 | |
July 13 | 3 | |
July 14 | 2 | |
July 15 | 2 | |
July 16 | 1 | |
July 17 | 2 | |
July 18 | 1 | |
July 21 | 3 | 1 |
July 22 | 2 | 1 |
July 24 | 1 | |
July 26 | 2 | 1 |
July 27 | 1 | |
July 28 | 1 | 1 |
July 29 | 3 | 2 |
July 30 | 9 | 4 |
July 31 | 2 | 1 |
August 1 | 6 | 3 |
August 2 | 3 | 2 |
August 3 | 5 | 3 |
August 4 | 8 | 5 |
August 5 | 5 | 3 |
August 6 | 8 | 5 |
August 7 | 11 | 4 |
August 8 | 15 | 8 |
August 9 | 11 | 7 |
August 10 | 7 | 6 |
August 11 | 8 | 6 |
August 12 | 11 | 8 |
August 13 | 14 | 11 |
August 14 | 7 | 6 |
August 15 | 7 | 4 |
August 16 | 4 | 3 |
August 17 | 1 | |
Total | 181 | 96 |
Last updated 17:55, 17 August 2021 UTC Current time is 17:56, 17 August 2021 UTC [refresh] |
Instructions for nominators
Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).
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2. Go back to the article, and choose the "DYK" menu from the "More" menu 3. Fill in the form and submit it. |
To nominate an article
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I. | Create the nomination subpage.
Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page. |
II. | Write the nomination.
On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and
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III. | Post at Template talk:Did you know.
In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.
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How to review a nomination
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
- Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
- Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
- The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
- To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a lineArticle length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
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showing you where you should put the comment. - Save the page.
If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
Frequently asked questions
Backlogged?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
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Instructions for other editors
How to promote an accepted hook
At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area
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How to remove a rejected hook
- Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
- In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line
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How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue
- Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
- Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
- View the edit history for that page
- Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
- Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
- Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
- If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
How to move a nomination subpage to a new name
- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on May 17
Semi-cursive script
... that since Chinese calligraphy is disappearing due to the introduction of solid writing tools, a robotic arm was programmed to replicate semi-cursive script writing using the writing brush 17 years ago?Source: "Yao, Fenghui; Shao, Guifeng; Yi, Jianqiang (January 2004). "Trajectory generation of the writing–brush for a robot arm to inherit block–style Chinese character calligraphy techniques". Advanced Robotics. 18 (3): 331–356. doi:10.1163/156855304322972477. ISSN 0169-1864."
Expanded by MeipleLeaf (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC).
- Article has over 1,500 characters in prose. Article was not expanded 5 times its size at the time of nomination but it has been remedied since. Article is written in a neutral tone and is adequately sourced, but the refimprove tag added in 2013 still is a concern. In the "Writing conventions" and "Computer encoding" sections, there's some unnecessary capitalization in the headers. lullabying (talk) 07:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Additional comments: this is the user's first nomination so a QPQ is not needed at this time. I assume good faith on offline sources. For the hook, I would suggest getting rid of the first part of the sentence as it makes the hook wordy. ALT1 was not suggested; did you intend on including it? lullabying (talk) 07:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator (a student editor) hasn't edited since May 28th and the issues remain unresolved. Unless another editor decides to adopt this, it is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @MSG17: Have you been able to address all of Lullabying's concerns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've been able to address the headers, and I have started working on references. However, I am rather unsatisifed with that content of this article, as it strays in several places to cover the history of calligraphy in general, rather than just this particular script. Nevertheless, I'm working on it, and should have a suitable version soon. MSG17 (talk) 12:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Adding icon to reflect the current state of the nomination so it isn't closed while MSG17 is working on improving the article to DYK standards. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- MSG17, how long do you anticipate this will take? The nomination will be three months old on August 24; why don't we say that if you haven't been able to address the issues by then, this will be marked for closure. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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- @BlueMoonset, Lullabying, and Narutolovehinata5: OK, I think it should be fine now. I was rather unsatisfied with the initial state of the article, as it seems more like a school essays that mostly looked at Chinese calligraphy overall with a focus (not the focus) on semi-cursive script (SCS). While this still shows through to an extent, I think it's at a smaller level and provides some background to the spread of SCS in the context of the spread of Chinese culture in general.MSG17 (talk) 00:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- MSG17, thank you very much for working on the article. Before we have a new review, however, we will need a new hook: not only was the original hook too long, but its main fact about the robotic arm is no longer in the article. Can you please propose an ALT1? Thank you very much. With all your work as adopter, I have added you to the DYKmake credits. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that the semi-cursive script is the most prominently utilized in daily life? Source: "Today, this is the most commonly used script in everyday life." ([1])
- ALT2:... that during the Edo period, commoners used semi-cursive script while scholars used regular script? Source: [2]
- Definitely go with ALT2, as it provides important context. DS (talk) 14:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- This nomination is ready for a new review. Flibirigit (talk) 01:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Definitely go with ALT2, as it provides important context. DS (talk) 14:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 23
Marie Antoinette with a Rose
... that the previous portrait that illustrates Marie Antoinette wearing a muslin dress before Marie Antoinette with a Rose (pictured) was painted, is the subject's favourite dress?Source: "Vigée-Le Brun presented notably a new portrait of the Queen wearing the “gaulle” or “blouse dress”. Adapted to Parisian fashion by the dressmaker Rose Bertin, this muslin dress was the Queen’s favourite one during her stays at the Petit Trianon, away from the court. The visitors of the Salon were shocked by this portrait: in their view the Queen was not dressed as befitted her rank. So the painting was quickly withdrawn. Vigée-Le Brun then quickly painted a second portrait to be exhibited before the end of the Salon." Google Arts & Culture
- Reviewed: Theodolinda Hahnsson
Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 01:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC).
- Length (just barely) and reference verified ... however:
- How sure are we that Google Arts & Culture is an RS? Mightn't we be better with the original text from Versailles if it's available, or from a reputable art site or book?
- I think the body text should be rewritten a little more so it doesn't use so much of the same phrasing as the Google page. It passed a copyvio check, but still ...
- And frankly, this hook would be better off for an article about that previous painting. Or rewritten to be more about this one. As it is it's like we had an article about a building and a hook about the one next door to it.
- Daniel Case (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Marie Antoinette with a Rose (pictured) is a substitute portrait for the unsuccessful previous portrait painted by Élisabeth Vigée Le Brun during the Salon exhibition? Source: Google Arts & Culture JeBonSer (talk | sign) 14:47, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- OK, that takes care of the third issue I had, but not the other two. Daniel Case (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- Pointing out that JeBonSer's talk page shows five DYK credits; a QPQ will be required. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- To clarify, the submitted QPQ review was previously used on Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Madame Jacques-Louis Leblanc, which was promoted to the main page on June 9. As a QPQ may only be used once, the one here cannot be reused and a new QPQ review will need to be performed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: Older reference was now replaced with the original reference from the Palace of Versailles with additional new references from other sites and a new QPQ was provided. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 16:39, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- @JeBonSer: OK, but per BlueMoonset above you still need to do another QPQ and post the link here. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: QPQ: From St. George's Basilica, Prague to Theodolinda Hahnsson. The current provided QPQ is not still used. See the difference of my edit here. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- JeBonSer, even though you have officially changed the references, the actual prose is still unchanged, which means Daniel Case's point about needing to deal with the overly close paraphrasing from the Google source—putting the material in your own words while remaining accurate—still has to be done. Close paraphrasing is a very serious matter. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: Daniel Case, I have already rewritten the article and the information is still intact and accurate. The problems are all resolved now. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 08:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- JeBonSer, even though you have officially changed the references, the actual prose is still unchanged, which means Daniel Case's point about needing to deal with the overly close paraphrasing from the Google source—putting the material in your own words while remaining accurate—still has to be done. Close paraphrasing is a very serious matter. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case: QPQ: From St. George's Basilica, Prague to Theodolinda Hahnsson. The current provided QPQ is not still used. See the difference of my edit here. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- @JeBonSer: OK, but per BlueMoonset above you still need to do another QPQ and post the link here. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Well, Earwig finds one huge copyvio, but that's someone quoting this page, and the rest are good. But move that other picture down and right-justify it because otherwise it's an awful-looking violation of MOS:SANDWICH. And I want to know what @BlueMoonset: thinks. Daniel Case (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- Daniel Case, JeBonSer, the article currently fails the length requirement; it has 1401 prose characters after some needed copyedits, below DYK's minimum of 1500 prose characters. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, Daniel Case, the article is eligible now because I add some phrase on it and the prose character now is exceeding 1500. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- JeBonSer, I have no idea what the newly added sentence is trying to say. You need to be clear in your writing, if you wish the expansion to be accepted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: The new sentence has now been cleared. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 03:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- JeBonSer, it is not clear, and it's troubling that you think it is. I'm going to ping Surtsicna and Johnbod, both of whom have done cleanup edits on earlier versions of this article, to see whether they can help. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done, I hope. I haven't done a recount! Johnbod (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Johnbod. The article still exceeds 1500 prose characters. Daniel Case, up to you to decide whether this meets the DYK criteria. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done, I hope. I haven't done a recount! Johnbod (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- JeBonSer, it is not clear, and it's troubling that you think it is. I'm going to ping Surtsicna and Johnbod, both of whom have done cleanup edits on earlier versions of this article, to see whether they can help. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset: The new sentence has now been cleared. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 03:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- JeBonSer, I have no idea what the newly added sentence is trying to say. You need to be clear in your writing, if you wish the expansion to be accepted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset, Daniel Case, the article is eligible now because I add some phrase on it and the prose character now is exceeding 1500. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 7
Hanan Awwad
- ... that poet and scholar Hanan Awwad founded the Palestinian section of the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom and was cultural advisor to Yasser Arafat? Source: "She was a cultural advisor to Yasser Arafat between 1998 and 2004" and "In 1988, she founded the Palestinian section of Women's International League for Peace and Freedom (WILPF)" Festival Internacional de Poesía de Medellin
- Reviewed: Yūka Nishio
- Comment: Written by Salukk. Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel
Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel (talk) and Salukk (talk). Nominated by QuakerSquirrel (talk) at 13:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - No
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - I dislike the "and was cultural advisor to Yasser Arafat" section. I feel like the hook should just be about 1 fact, squishing 2 together feels unnatural. I would remove this.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, Mcguy15.
- Festival Internacional de Poesía de Medellin is an international festival that has been honored by the Right Livelihood Award, which is hosted by Swedish Parliamentarians. These facts suggest to me that it is reliable.
- I removed the Amazon link.
- I will check with Salukk about adding other references. There are others than can be added, but they are in Arabic, which I don't speak. (Although I did add one.) -QuakerSquirrel (talk) 14:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review, Mcguy15.
- QuakerSquirrel, User:Salukk, I'm sorry to be raining on this parade. First of all, let me say I have no problem with the Arafat factoid being in the hook also--but the article is in desperate need of independent sourcing. User:Mccapra added that tag almost a month ago, and it's still valid. Without them, the question of notability is open. Besides, the article needs cleaning up before we put it on the front page. I suggest adding the titles of her works in Arabic (and putting the translation in quotation marks and in parentheses), and using proper citation templates for the references--including publisher, accessdate, etc. User:Mcguy, I appreciate the review, but DYK articles get on the front page and should make us look good. It can be done, but the article is not yet there. Drmies (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 13
Performance (textiles)
- ... that performance is the serviceability of textiles (pictured) that withstand various conditions, environments, and hazards? Source: Kadolph, Sara J. (1998). Textiles. Upper Saddle River, New Jersey: Bobbs-Merrill Company. pp. 9, 11, 22, 23, 25, 392, 408, 407. ISBN 978-0-13-494592-7 – via Internet Archive.
- ALT1:... that in terms of performance, treated wool is something of a miracle fabric (pictured)? [[3]]
- ALT2:...the textiles' performance characteristics make them suited for their end-use, such as pajamas or a spacesuit? Source::346
- ALT1:... that in terms of performance, treated wool is something of a miracle fabric (pictured)? [[3]]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hamadryas glauconome
- Comment:
There is a pending AFD, that will be successfully resolved,There was an AFD that resulted in a KEEP, so that a review and promotion can proceed in due course.
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk), Dicklyon (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Performance (textiles)
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- Sure. See WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Why would anybody nominate this bucket of gomutra for people to actually see how awful it is? Why am I listed as a creator, I didn't create this rubbish. Why can I not comment in this subject on the talk page of the article, where it appears? please unnominate this
articlecollection of disparate factoids for DYK. Thanks. -Roxy . wooF 10:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)- Your true colors are showing. Alone, you wanted the article deleted, and
otherseveryone else disagreed. I removed your name, per your request. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- Your true colors are showing. Alone, you wanted the article deleted, and
- Why would anybody nominate this bucket of gomutra for people to actually see how awful it is? Why am I listed as a creator, I didn't create this rubbish. Why can I not comment in this subject on the talk page of the article, where it appears? please unnominate this
- Sure. See WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig indicates that there's a bit too much close paraphrase so more copy-editing is needed.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting: In terms of performance, wool is something of a miracle fabric." - It seems rather dull so I suggest casting the net wider. For example, "
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed: - Why no picture? We ought to be able to find something appropriate.
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: There's some concern about the article title which might need thrashing out to ensure stability. "Textile performance" would be my suggestion. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have no objection to renaming the article. Should that be brought up at the article's talk page? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Close paraphrasing and copyvio has been a historical problem with the original creator of this article. A proposal to rename the article has already been made on the article Talk page. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 21:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sour grapes. Your proposals are unrelated with the sources. We can go with Andrew's suggestion. RV (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- Earwig is clear. The only thing it highlights is a quote about Gabardine. We could add that picture (the historic ad) to the DYK. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sour grapes. Your proposals are unrelated with the sources. We can go with Andrew's suggestion. RV (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: are you still working on this review? It looks like there were some additions made to the article at the beginning of the month but nothing since so it's fairly stable. The article isn't nominated for deletion and the title is fine (even if not your preferred title) so there's no reason for this nomination to be on hold. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- User:Andrew Davidson I have proposed an ALT, inserted a picture. Are we GTG? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 07:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The picture looks great for this topic – well done! I'll take another look through the article – more anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The ALT1 hook does not go well with the picture because the Burberry combination pictured seems to have been a cotton gabardine outer with a woolen lining. We might perhaps use the original hook but I reckon something more specific would be better. See this case study which explains how Burberry started with performance clothing. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The picture looks great for this topic – well done! I'll take another look through the article – more anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Andrew In this context, Burberrry Gabardine is treated worsted wool, perhaps with some cotton, and definitely with lanolin. The ad itself says, "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" I think. So I submit the picture and the hook align. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- I would support Andrew Davidson's suggestion for an article rename to "Textile performance requirements" though "Fitness for purpose", i.e. what the article is about, would be better. Can this be dealt with before the DYK goes wherever it goes? I also note that there is no clarity as to the composition of gabardine in anything written here. Cotton? wool? lanolin? what knowledge are we going to impart to DYK readers? Will it be accurate, or do we not care? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Read the preceding post. Renaming the article is fine. That should be addessed at the article talk page, however. "A rose by any other name ..." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The preceding post, which you wrote, says "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" which doesn't pass muster, so again I ask what is the composition of gabardine, Cotton? wool? lanolin? (hint: Lanolin would not be required as a component in the UK garment labelling requirements, so you just need to clarify what gabardine consists of. I'll wait in this shallow grave shall I? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- You could do this yourself, but that would be too much to ask. So I won't. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Following the above response, this article is clearly unsuitable for DYK. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- You could do this yourself, but that would be too much to ask. So I won't. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- The preceding post, which you wrote, says "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" which doesn't pass muster, so again I ask what is the composition of gabardine, Cotton? wool? lanolin? (hint: Lanolin would not be required as a component in the UK garment labelling requirements, so you just need to clarify what gabardine consists of. I'll wait in this shallow grave shall I? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Read the preceding post. Renaming the article is fine. That should be addessed at the article talk page, however. "A rose by any other name ..." 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Repetition doesn't make your observations any more persuasive. You said that before, and your colors are showing again. A leopard can't change its spots. And Ipse dixit doesn't apply. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Here is the answer. "What is Gabardine – Fabric Guide, Uses and Care". and Varley, Rosemary; Roncha, Ana; Radclyffe-Thomas, Natascha; Gee, Liz (2018). CASE STUDY 10: Burberry and brand development and retail. Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach. United Kingdom: Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 208. ISBN 9781137508195. ISBN 1137508191. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment They appear with a new perspective/question each time.I do not like it.Rubbish, Bucket of Gomutracollection of disparate factoidsDYK! What is that?RV (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- The mysteries of gabardine now revealed.
- In its earliest forms, worsted wool or a blend of it and cotton were used. It was weaved to achieve smoothness on one side and ribs on the other. When tightly woven, it became a twill fabric used in men's suits and trousers. "The fabric became a favorite among many because it can hold its shape and does not wrinkle too easily."[1][2]}}
- "What makes gabardine unique is the fabric's ability to be water-resistant and breathable at the same time. It's also an extremely tough fabric which made it perfect for military use. Not only were officers wearing a trench coat able to stay comparatively dry in the trenches during rain, thanks to the breathability of gabardine, but the coats also did not make them sweat and dehydrate in hot and humid temperatures either."[3] 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:03, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "What is Gabardine – Fabric Guide, Uses and Care".
- ^ Varley, Rosemary; Roncha, Ana; Radclyffe-Thomas, Natascha; Gee, Liz (2018). CASE STUDY 10: Burberry and brand development and retail. Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach. United Kingdom: Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 208. ISBN 978-1-137-50819-5. ISBN 1137508191.
- ^ Tung, Christen (4 July 2020). "Burberry: What Makes the Luxury Brand So Unique?". Maggwire. Retrieved June 21, 2021.
Articles created/expanded on June 21
Klassische Philharmonie Bonn
- ... that the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured), a symphony orchestra founded and conducted by Heribert Beissel, played a concert series at twelve major halls in Germany? Source: several
- Reviewed: Tatjana Gamerith
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC).
- While the article meets requirements and a QPQ has been performed (only issue is that "Singapur" should be "Singapore"), the hook is frankly not very interesting. A German orchestra performing in Germany almost feels like a given and doesn't really say anything "hooky" about the subject. Given the group's history, surely there's information out there about it that can be interesting even to non-opera fans? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry that the hook is obviously not clear enough. Two my knowledge, this is the only orchestra - but I'm not sure enough to say so - to run a concert series at twelve halls. I don't know any playing a series even at two. Can you help wording, - stress on "series", they play the same programs in all these cities. I don't understand though what's unclear. How can we add "different cities" without being clumsy and redundant (because even big cities have usually only one (sometimes two) "major concert hall". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured), a symphony orchestra founded and conducted by Heribert Beissel, has a tradition of playing a concert series at more than ten major halls of Germany?
- How is that? The twelfth was added recently, so we'd need to drop the elegance of a short number. We can only hope that the tradition will continue now that Beissel died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- You have to ask yourself this question: would someone who isn't into classical music find the original hook interesting? ALT1 is better (I'm not really sure if the mention of Beissel is essential to the hook but that's just me) and I'm more willing to approve it, although admittedly it's still a relatively niche hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- While the article meets requirements and a QPQ has been performed (only issue is that "Singapur" should be "Singapore"), the hook is frankly not very interesting. A German orchestra performing in Germany almost feels like a given and doesn't really say anything "hooky" about the subject. Given the group's history, surely there's information out there about it that can be interesting even to non-opera fans? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- I have to note that the spelling of Singapore still hasn't been fixed in the article. I've somewhat warmed up to approving ALT1 as there appears to be no other suitable hook material at this time; however the article needs to be consistent: the lede still mentions the 12 number, however the list in the Wiener Klassik section only mentions 11. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I changed it to "ten and more", twelve seems to be the current number, but ten and eleven look like having the tradition. I also fixed the spelling that missed translation. In such cases, I simply do it myself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the precursor ensemble of the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured) was founded in 1959 to perform music originally played at the Bonn court of the Electorate of Cologne? Grimes2 (talk) 18:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- To be honest I was originally confused by ALT2's hook facts in the article, as I thought the predecessor group was founded to play music for the Electorate (as opposed to playing music that was originally performed during the electorate). In any case, the article wording could probably be rephrased to avoid confusion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done Grimes2 (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'd like to hear Gerda's thoughts on ALT2 first before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- My thoughts: while ALT2 is fine, I believe that ALT1 is a much more specific thing to say about the orchestra. There are several such focused groups named for what they focus one, but the present orchestra - which should stay bolded imho - left that focus. Actually, there may be an article about the predecessor group some day. IF we pursue ALT2, the name of that predecessor group should also be part of the hook to explain it. The electorate hangs in the air without the connection. - I tried to say nothing, but was asked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Adding the name of the predecessor group is going to make the hook too long: just adding the name alone would make ALT2 over 190 characters. Readers could always read the article itself if they want to learn more. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- My thoughts: while ALT2 is fine, I believe that ALT1 is a much more specific thing to say about the orchestra. There are several such focused groups named for what they focus one, but the present orchestra - which should stay bolded imho - left that focus. Actually, there may be an article about the predecessor group some day. IF we pursue ALT2, the name of that predecessor group should also be part of the hook to explain it. The electorate hangs in the air without the connection. - I tried to say nothing, but was asked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'd like to hear Gerda's thoughts on ALT2 first before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done Grimes2 (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- To be honest I was originally confused by ALT2's hook facts in the article, as I thought the predecessor group was founded to play music for the Electorate (as opposed to playing music that was originally performed during the electorate). In any case, the article wording could probably be rephrased to avoid confusion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt and Grimes2: Would this work as a hook?
- ALT3 ... that the Chur Cölnisches Orchester, the predecessor to the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn, was founded to perform music originally played at the Bonn court of the Electorate of Cologne?
- At 182 characters it should still meet the length requirements. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT3 is fine. Grimes2 (talk) 13:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, but ... - Our holy broad readership will be more interested and in a multiple-location concert series than some historic electorate, + this time my interests agree with them, because I think we should speak about the end result, not the predecessor, in honour of the founder. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT3 is fine. Grimes2 (talk) 13:30, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 22
Permanent income hypothesis
- ... that Milton Friedman won his Nobel Prize for numerous contributions to economics, such as his permanent income hypothesis? Source: Forder, James; Monnery, Hugo (2019). "Why Did Milton Friedman Win the Nobel Prize? A Consideration of His Early Work on Stabilization Policy". Economic Journal Watch. Fraser Institute. 16 (1): 130–145.
- ALT1... that Milton Friedman's permanent income hypothesis helped to earn him a Nobel Prize? Source: see above
Improved to Good Article status by BasedMises (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - No
- Interesting:
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and well sourced. No issues with neutrality or copyvio. The hook's interest seems fine to me but I rephrased it as ALT1 to address Daniel Case's concerns. One problem: the source cited in the hook does not seem to mention the "permanent income hypothesis" specifically. It definitely alludes to it, but I'd think a more precise source would be better. If that got added I would be ready to approve. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:31, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Does this work? BasedMisesMont Pelerin 01:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- That could work. It's a primary source but the Nobel Foundation is reliable for information about the Nobel Prize. It could be used in combination with the original source you provided. There is one issue @BasedMises: the fact in the article it also has to be cited. The article cites Worek's offline book, so I'm assuming the book says that. If it doesn't we have to fix that. Otherwise we can (and probably should) use the citation from the article in the hook to keep it consistent. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging @BasedMises: it's been over a week and I wasn't sure if you saw the last comment. This nom needs just a little more work on the sources to get it up to spec. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry. I kind of forgot about this. I think I'll add the Nobel source to the article.BasedMisesMont Pelerin 05:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Don't worry about it! I figured you probably just forgot or were busy. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Dull hook. Does anyone who wins the economics Nobel win for just one thing they did? No. And really, the hook should be something about the subject of the article, not the person who created that subject. Daniel Case (talk) 04:17, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- That could work. It's a primary source but the Nobel Foundation is reliable for information about the Nobel Prize. It could be used in combination with the original source you provided. There is one issue @BasedMises: the fact in the article it also has to be cited. The article cites Worek's offline book, so I'm assuming the book says that. If it doesn't we have to fix that. Otherwise we can (and probably should) use the citation from the article in the hook to keep it consistent. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Daniel Case, BasedMises, and BuySomeApples: This hook should be rejected if there's no movement within a few days. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Yeah. It's been 2 weeks and the sourcing on the article/hook hasn't been fixed. I think BasedMises was busy but it's not ready for approval unless that gets fixed. I'll reject this one unless that gets sorted out in the next few days. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 1
Safad El Battikh, Kafra, Lebanon and Ayta al-Jabal
- ALT1:... that the three Southern Lebanese villages of Safad El Battikh, Kafra and Ayta al-Jabal all were mentioned in the 1596 Ottoman tax records? (Source: Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, 1977, Historical Geography of Palestine, Transjordan and Southern Syria in the Late 16th Century, pp. 179, 182 and 183)
- ALT2:... that the Southern Lebanese villages of Safad El Battikh, Kafra and Ayta al-Jabal were mentioned in the 1596 Ottoman tax records? (Source: Hütteroth and Abdulfattah, 1977, Historical Geography of Palestine, Transjordan and Southern Syria in the Late 16th Century, pp. 179, 182 and 183)
Created by Huldra (talk). Self-nominated at 20:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC).
- We can think more about the hook later but for now what do you think about linking "Ottoman" to Ottoman archives?Chidgk1 (talk) 13:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I am having trouble finding the villages in the book e.g. at https://books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&hl=tr&id=wqULAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Kafra so might the names be transliterated differently? Not really useful for DYK as behind a login but is it worth me logging on to https://katalog.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/ to try and find the document? I know a little Turkish but I don't know the Ottoman language so would it be too difficult or do you know exactly what I would search for? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Notified Huldra that the ball is now in her court Chidgk1 (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Inserting the blue question mark as the standard indicator that a DYK review is in progress. Flibirigit (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Notified Huldra that the ball is now in her court Chidgk1 (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- User:Chidgk1 Thank you for your comments! I'm sorry, but forgot the QPQ; will start on it as soon as I have answered here.
- As for the HA-book (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah-book =1596 info): it is in English; and the identification is done via grid-numbers; for Kafra 183/286 Palestine grid; apparently it was called Kfur Tibnin in 1596; ie you have to search for the 1596 name, not the present name. (I have the tables; and the key, on my computer, and can send it to you, if you like?) (I am afraid old history like this is very rarely available on the net; at least not in this area). (Also; "Kfur Tibnin" has dots over the "U" and the second "I"; search does not work for me on books.google.)
- It would be great to have a link directly to the original Defter, if they are online? I could give you the defter-number? But I suspect that will not be easy if you are not pretty confident in Turkish...and useless if that Safad-defter is not online.
- The "area" in infobox is given in the localiban-ref, same for elevation; I guess I should add them as a ref? Now it is only linked under "External links",
- And I would love to have a better picture; I don't have high hopes though; few of these villages have pictures uploaded of them. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reviewing Svante Odén Huldra (talk) 22:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes please make localiban a ref for area. I managed to log in so please could you put the defter number in a footnote to the article (if you don't know how to do a footnote put it here and I will do) so I can search - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 06:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- User:Chidgk1: It is defter no 72 (="the number which they bear in the Tapu ve Kadastro Arsivi in Ankara"); located in Ankara. According to HA (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah), p. 4, it is from 1596/97 CE (=1005 H), but according to Rhode (citing Bernard Lewis) p. 6 it is from 1548/9 CE (=955AH), cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes please make localiban a ref for area. I managed to log in so please could you put the defter number in a footnote to the article (if you don't know how to do a footnote put it here and I will do) so I can search - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 06:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- I could not find the document under defter number 72 (could be my incompetence). But searching for keyword Safed (presumably the republican spelling/transliteration) with a date of 1005H shows 3 documents including:
Belge Özeti : Safed livasının kanunnamesiyle nüfus ve hasılatını ve tımarlarını ve evkafını havi mufassal tahrir defteri.
Yer Bilgisi : 686 -
Belge Tarihi : H-29-12-1005
Kurum : TT.d...
I cannot read Ottoman so I don't know if that is the right one, but if you think it might be I guess if we mention it in a footnote then hopefully an expert would be able to confirm or deny in future? It is a bit ridiculous that only Turkish nationals can log in - do you know a suitable Turkish academic or if not I will try and find one. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry, I don't know any Turkish academics. There are 6-700 references to the HA 1596 defter (a list here: User:Huldra/HA) on en.wp; it would be absolutely great if we one day could link directly to the original defter! If/when that day comes; I would go through User:Huldra/HA and link them all....Huldra (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Also; I see that the Facebook page of Safad El Battikh has a lot of pictures (from the Church, mostly). I am not on facebook, but we could possibly reach out to them for a picture? Huldra (talk) 22:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Anyway my questions about primary source are a bit of a digression. Could you put 3 search links here to show me the info in the secondary source? Or explain how to go to the page. Or just put quotes if you have the book on paper and I will take them on trust. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Well, there really is no way to google-link this; you have to have the tables! And the "key". Which I will gladly send to you. Eg; for Safad El Battikh, it says (on p 182):
- 1)Z68 2)Q 3) Safad al-Battih 4) (Arab name) 5)190/289 6)Pal.100 7)+ 8)10/2 11)12 13)25% 14)1300 15)420 20)380 27)80 28)20 36)2200
- From the "key", we known that the 5) number; ie 190/289 is the 6) grid number. (I could also send you the map, showing you that that is the position of Safad El Battikh). 8) is number of Muslim households/batchelors; 14) taxes paid for wheat, er, etc. Similar for the other places, Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- But https://books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&id=wqULAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=al-Battih goes to a different village not Safad - am I searching the wrong book or what am I misunderstanding? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- That is a Turkish link; it doesn't give me anything. However, when I search for https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&id=wqULAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=al-Battih I come to p.120, Zakariyya al-Battih, or Az-Zakariyya, Huldra (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- But https://books.google.com.tr/books?redir_esc=y&id=wqULAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=al-Battih goes to a different village not Safad - am I searching the wrong book or what am I misunderstanding? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
I understand your point that the details cannot be confirmed without the table and I am happy to take your word on that (although if you send the key via my email it would be interesting). But my point is that as the book is searchable surely I should be able to find the page by searching for "Safad al-Battih" like I can search for other things in the book?
I could not find a way to mail you from Wikipedia. You could tick "Allow other users to email me" in your settings and let me know so I can send my address without knowing yours or putting my address here for everyone to see. Then if you don't want to give your main address you could send pics of the 3 pages with these villages from a temp email. Alternatively write to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Chidgk1 and I will give you my email address so you can attach stuff.
Once I can see at least one of the village pages I will hopefully be able to figure out my misunderstanding and write a footnote for others (if you like I can also send a few random page screenshots from the primary source to see if you might be able to read the Ottoman to some extent). Chidgk1 (talk) 08:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- User:Chidgk1 I have sent you my email-address. I don't know why the search-function works so badly, but most of the names have bars/dots etc; those letters are not in my alphabet, so I cannot search the exact name. But even when I can; the search-function rarely works (for me), Huldra (talk) 20:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for sending pages - now I understand what you are saying and my searching problem - Hutteroth uses a transcription system I don't understand. So I think the solution is to put the Ottoman name in the article in the original script so even though I don't know Ottoman or Arabic I (and others in future hopefully for primary source too) can just cut and paste to search online like this https://books.google.com/books?redir_esc=y&hl=tr&id=wqULAAAAIAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AF+%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%B7%D9%8A%D8%AE . This was easy for me to do for one article because it is the same as the modern name so I just cut and pasted. Could you put the Ottoman names in the other 2?
- User:Chidgk1 Well, I don't speak/write Arabic or Turkish, I have no idea as to how to write it, trying a "copy and paste" for Kafra I get ".:_r.;....;." so sorry; I cannot manage that, Huldra (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oh hang on still waiting QPQ - everything else fine
- Lol, User:Chidgk1: you are not the first to make that mistake :) Anyway, my QPQ: Template:Did you know nominations/Svante Odén, Huldra (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Removed blue question mark above and added green tick to show I have finished and everything ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidgk1 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Huldra, Chidgk1, the rule for QPQs is that one review must be supplied for each nominated article (see WP:DYKSG#H4 for details). Huldra will need to supply two more QPQ reviews before this nomination can achieve final passage. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Removed blue question mark above and added green tick to show I have finished and everything ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidgk1 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
OK, I had no idea; I will look for 2 other DYK-candidates now, but this make take a few days. (The review here took 14 days); hope you have patience! Huldra (talk) 20:44, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 2
Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis
- ... that the fixed anvil temperature hypothesis states that anvil clouds (pictured) warm less than Earth's surface and that this may have effects on global climate?
- Reviewed: Robert Corrigan
Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 3 July 2021 (UTC).
Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - We seem to be at the frontiers of science with this topic and so the extent to which such sources can be considered reliable is debatable. I'd prefer a MEDRS level of sourcing – reviews or other statements of general consensus.
- Neutral: - The article says that the hypothesis is "widely accepted" but that's not quite my impression. The source for that para says that it's popular but then proceeds to argue against it.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - The hook's expression "anvil clouds warm less than Earth's surface" is an over-simplication which distorts the hypothesis. As I understand it, the hypothesis is that anvil clouds tend to top out in a fixed way, you'd get more of them with general warming and so there's a positive feedback. Expressing this succinctly and accurately in a hook seems difficult.
- Interesting:
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- Used in article: - The photo and caption in the article is somewhat misleading as "Hector the Convector" forms over the Tiwi Islands rather than the mainland. I find this cloud to be quite interesting and so it's worth providing a link to it.
- Clear at 100px:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: I'm tempted to edit the article myself but will give the nominator some space first... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Jo-Jo Eumerus, Andrew Davidson, it's been three weeks since the review and I don't see any article edits; where does this nomination stand? Jo-Jo Eumerus, please note that responding inside that DYK checklist template can prevent the approved nomination from being moved by the bot to the Approved page; I'd like to suggest that you move your comments so they are below the template (either just above or just below this comment), so their placement doesn't cause issues down the road. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, moved my comments to all the red issues here:
- According to Web of Science, this is the only review article available. There is also this IPCC report which mentions it. You are not going to get an useful article out of only review articles, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- That wouldn't be a very high-weight objection, then, since it'd be backed by only one paper. From reading the rest of the literature I get the impression that only the two refinements discussed but they apparently haven't caught on yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- No, the hypothesis is precisely that anvil clouds don't warm if Earth's surface does. Their total volume is a different theory altogether. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Changed the caption, but I am not sure if the image description is enough of a source for the caption to say "Hector". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, moved my comments to all the red issues here:
Articles created/expanded on July 6
Cornelia Chase Brant
- ... that Nellie Chase (pictured) dreamed of becoming a doctor and did not go to medical college until she was 35 but rose to become its head?
- Reviewed: Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis
- Comment: For confirmation of the hook, see sources such as the NYT : [4];[5]
5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC).
- Article looks good and well sourced, eligible for DYK. However, I think the hook might need some work: it would be helpful to name her institution (New York Medical College and Hospital for Women), as well as make it more clear that she became the dean at the same college she studied at, because the phrases "go to medical college" and "rose to become its head" are very vague. I'm also not sure whether it would be accurate to call her "its head"; it says in the article that she became dean of the college, which may or may not be the title for the head of the college, but it is not clarified in any of the sources as to whether this is the case. Otherwise, I think this article is ready for DYK.alphalfalfa(talk) 04:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator has not responded to the concerns raised above despite a talk page notification and activity elsewhere. If they are able to respond after this comment, the nomination can continue, but otherwise this is marked for closure Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:50, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have been quite busy lately. Here's responses to the points made above:
- I don't agree that we should add the full name of the college to the hook as it is 8 words and this seems too wordy for a hook which is already quite lengthy.
- Saying that she was the head of the college seems clearer than saying that she was Dean, as the latter is a specialist rank whose status will be less familiar to our general readership
- Her position as the head appears in the article in the paragraph starting "Brant became dean of the school in 1914. In 1915, as leader of the college..." which is supported by The Evening World "Woman Head of Women's Medical College...".
- I'll make another pass through the article to sharpen up this detail.
- Please take another look. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not a review but I do think the hook as-written needs work. Propose ALT1: ... that although she did not start college until the age of 35, Nellie Chase (pictured) eventually became the institution's head? Kingsif (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- It probably needs a link to the institution in question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Right now there are also other issues. The entire first paragraph of the Early life section is unreferenced, there's a citation needed tag in one statement, and the fact about her becoming dean is lacking a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:37, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not a review but I do think the hook as-written needs work. Propose ALT1: ... that although she did not start college until the age of 35, Nellie Chase (pictured) eventually became the institution's head? Kingsif (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 10
Melville Monument
- ... that Thomas Babington Macaulay thought the Melville Monument "very elegant, and very much better than the man deserved"?Source: Trevelyan, George Otto (ed.) (1876). Life and Letters of Lord Macaulay. I Harper. p. 109.
5x expanded by CPClegg (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC).
- This article flags as a bit short, unfortunately: 20147 characters when it was at 4512 (requiring 22560 characters prose). I see there has been some instability prior to the expansion; is this related? It does have appropriate citation density. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- Forgot to ping CPClegg. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, Sammi Brie, that's odd: the javascript tool's showing me 31,009 for the published article and 38,537 for the plain text. Yes, it did have issues with one persistent vandal before the expansion but since then has been very stable. Thanks for taking a look.CPClegg (talk) 08:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- @CPClegg: Still showing as 20,147 here. Very unusual. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 14:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- CPClegg, Sammi Brie, I just used DYKcheck on the article, and noticed that it was counting the "See also" section, which it isn't supposed to ("See also" is supposed to be a bulleted section per MOS:SEEALSO, so I've added the needed bullet); this takes it down to 20109 prose characters. I'm not sure why the javascript tool is so wildly off from DYKcheck—38537 was the total number of bytes rather than text at the time—but DYKcheck is what we go by. Another 2451 prose characters will be needed to reach a fivefold expansion. (I did check around the vandalism, and 4512 prose characters is the starting point as Sammi Brie notes above.) CPClegg, I hope that won't be a problem! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
@Sammi Brie and CPClegg: I'd recommend rejecting the nomination is there isn't an expansion within a few days. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 11
Pisanhari ki Marhia
- ... that a Jain temple campus sprawling across 18 acres named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) is a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed a one room temple by saving money from milling flours in 1442 CE? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.
Created by Loveallwiki (talk) and Pratyk321 (talk). Nominated by Loveallwiki (talk) at 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC).
- FYI: I have requested Guild of Copy Editors to help in improving the quality of writing in articles. Pratyk321 (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Loveallwiki:, I have rephrased the hook. Please let me know your thoughts on this? Pratyk321 (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Pratyk321:, Good, i have modified it a little to emphasize the notability due to vintage and present expanse. pl have a look.LoveAll (talk). 06:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Loveallwiki: We're not looking to say everything in the hook, just need to mention something interesting that readers will click on to find out more. Let's keep both hooks. The reviewer can help us decide the best-suited hook. Thanks and regards Pratyk321 (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0a ... that a Jain temple named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) as a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed the temple by saving money from milling flours? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.
- ALT1a ... that one room temple of Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) constructed by an poor old lady by saving money from milling flours now spreads over 18 acres (73,000 m2) complex? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.Mitra, Swati (2008). Jabalpur, City Guide (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9788187780731.
- OK. please submit. thanks and regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loveallwiki (talk • contribs) 11:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Aging of the United States
- ... that President Theodore Roosevelt described the aging of the United States as a form of "race suicide"?
- ALT1:... that during the COVID-19 pandemic, the birth rate in the United States dropped to below replacement levels for the first time in history?
- ALT2:... that President Theodore Roosevelt described the declining birthrate of the United States as a form of "race suicide", citing a term coined by eugenicist Edward Alsworth Ross?
Created by Mover of molehills (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC).
- Oppose because it is not true. The United States's fertility rate, with the exception of a brief boom in the mid-2000s has been below replacement levels for decades. funplussmart (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Funplussmart: Thank you for clearing that up, and for making the correction in the article. Do you think that the main hook could still be valid, though? Mover of molehills (talk) 12:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- No opinion on notability of the article, I will review according to DYK rules. Date (just) in time, length fine and hook is sourced and inlinely cited. However @Mover of molehills: this can't proceed with the merge tag on it. QPQ is not needed as this is Mover's first nomination. No close paraphrasing. Please ping me once that merge discussion is concluded and I can pass this. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I don't love ALT0 actually. For one thing it's not all that interesting on its own, for another it is "an alarmist term in eugenics" which is...well it's about as racist as it sounds. Also, the newspaper article cited is actually misleading, and the person who made the article mistakenly attributed Roosevelt's speech to 1900. In reality, the speech quoted was delivered in 1906, I assume the date of 1900 refers to the birth rate statistic. This doesn't mean we can't have it in a hook, but it ought to have a bit more context as that fixes all of those issues imo. I'm proposing ALT2 for this. I have also edited the article to correct the date. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: Thank you, I think that's a good point. I like Alt2 as well. Additionally, @The C of E: I did complete the merge, so let me know when you're ready to continue with the nomination. Mover of molehills (talk) 14:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Funplussmart: Do you have any more comments? Mover of molehills (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- I do not like ALT0 or because due to it being not very remarkable and seems to support racism and eugenics. I am neutral regarding ALT2 as it has added context. funplussmart (talk) 20:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Funplussmart: Do you have any more comments? Mover of molehills (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: Thank you, I think that's a good point. I like Alt2 as well. Additionally, @The C of E: I did complete the merge, so let me know when you're ready to continue with the nomination. Mover of molehills (talk) 14:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I don't love ALT0 actually. For one thing it's not all that interesting on its own, for another it is "an alarmist term in eugenics" which is...well it's about as racist as it sounds. Also, the newspaper article cited is actually misleading, and the person who made the article mistakenly attributed Roosevelt's speech to 1900. In reality, the speech quoted was delivered in 1906, I assume the date of 1900 refers to the birth rate statistic. This doesn't mean we can't have it in a hook, but it ought to have a bit more context as that fixes all of those issues imo. I'm proposing ALT2 for this. I have also edited the article to correct the date. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:37, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- No opinion on notability of the article, I will review according to DYK rules. Date (just) in time, length fine and hook is sourced and inlinely cited. However @Mover of molehills: this can't proceed with the merge tag on it. QPQ is not needed as this is Mover's first nomination. No close paraphrasing. Please ping me once that merge discussion is concluded and I can pass this. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Funplussmart: Thank you for clearing that up, and for making the correction in the article. Do you think that the main hook could still be valid, though? Mover of molehills (talk) 12:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Just a comment that the main hook and ALT2 needs to specify with President Roosevelt? Franklin of Theodore? You have linked to Theodore Roosevelt; so I guess it should specify the first name too. It might confuse some readers. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Good catch @Kavyansh.Singh:, I fixed that in both hooks. @Mover of molehills: what do you think about the different hooks? BuySomeApples (talk) 04:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BuySomeApples: I think Alt2 looks good! After the review process, I'm similarly lukewarm about the other hooks. Mover of molehills (talk) 12:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 12
M1 (İzmir Metro)
- ... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, entered into service in 2000? Source: Consisting of 10 stations, it began service on 22 May 2000.[1]
- ALT1:... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, is still in the process of being extended? Source: Work on the 7.2 km (4.5 mi) long Fahrettin Altay–Kaymakamlık extension to the west began on 9 June 2018 and are planned to be finished in October 2022, at a cost of ₺1.027 billion.[2]
- ALT2:... that the M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, is 19.8 km (12.3 mi) long? Source: [3]
- ALT3 ... that the tenders for extension of M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, has been cancelled several times? Source:
The İzmir Metropolitan Municipality sent a cease and desist letter to the company on 14 February 2006, and subsequently cancelled the tender in November 2006.[4]
- The tender was cancelled on 13 August 2009 after the contractor had requested a 15-month extension.[5]
- ... but it was again cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority due to unspecified reasons.[4]
- A new tender was issued in October 2009 to finish the remaining work. However, that tender was cancelled by the Public Procurement Authority.[6]
- A third tender was made in April 2010, but it was cancelled by the municipality after the court reverted the cancellation of the second tender. The municipality signed an agreement with the winner of the second tender but the agreement was reverted after the high court reversed the decision of lower court about the second tender. A fourth tender was issued in August 2010 and construction started in September.[7]
- ALT4 ... that the construction of M1, the only active line of İzmir Metro, has stopped because the contractor company couldn't finish the construction on time and requested 12 months more? Source: The construction was fully stopped in 2008 after the contractor could not finish the extension and requested 12 months more, which was refused.[8]
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: This is my first nomination to DYK, so if I made any mistakes, feel free to give feedback.
Improved to Good Article status by Ahmetlii (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 14 July 2021 (UTC).
- Non reviewer comment Hi, I've had the page on my watchlist due to my copyedit from a while back. Just popping in to say that none of these hooks are really that interesting; they are more trivial facts about the line. Something that could be more interesting is the many cancellations and re-approval of the tenders, as that is unusual. :) — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 15:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - All of the non-English sources need to have translated titles. A few seem to be blogs, so an expert in the region should double-check them for reliability.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - The article is in need of a major cleanup. More below.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - None of the hooks given are particularly suited for DYK, though the cancellations could be spun into a proper hook with some work.
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Overall: I don't think this article is ready for DYK, and it probably shouldn't have been passed at GAN in its current state. There are a lot of grammatical issues that need to be fixed, some sources may need to be replaced with reliable versions, and quite a few essential sections (frequency, ridership, a route description, more detailed fare information, technical details only found in the infobox) are missing from the prose. SounderBruce 04:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- I've seen it just now, thanks for notifying me via talk page message. Anyway, here is my clarifications about some of the issues addressed above:
- About sources, I think that the sources are complying with the guidelines. If you meant the line operator's website or the municipality website by saying "A few seem to be blogs", I think it is under acceptable usage per WP:PRIMARY. I also didn't know that translation of the source titles are a primary requisite, however I am willing to translate the citation titles on the page (I guess I have missed that point before). I've asked for a reviewer for sources on WikiProject Turkey.
- On cleanup per grammar, the article has been copyedited before both by a reviewer and myself, however if I or the reviewer have missed something about the grammar, please let me know by detailing where is the issue.
- I've seen it just now, thanks for notifying me via talk page message. Anyway, here is my clarifications about some of the issues addressed above:
References
- ^ "İzmir Metro A.Ş. Tanıtım Kitabı" (PDF). İzmir Metro A.Ş. Archived (PDF) from the original on 5 July 2010. Retrieved 26 July 2014.
- ^ "Büyükşehir'den 'milyarlık' yatırım" (in Turkish). İzmir Büyükşehir Belediyesi. 10 June 2018. Archived from the original on 14 June 2018. Retrieved 10 June 2018.
- ^ "İzmir Metro A.Ş. Stratejik Planı 2020–2024" (PDF). İzmir Metro A.Ş. 2019. Archived (PDF) from the original on 10 November 2019. Retrieved 10 November 2019.
- ^ a b "İzmirlinin bitmeyen metro çilesi". Evrensel. Retrieved 30 April 2021.
- ^ "Üçyol-Üçkuyular hattı bitmiyor". mimdap.org. Retrieved 30 April 2021.
- ^ "Metro ihalesi tamam". Yeni Asır. 23 April 2010. Retrieved 4 July 2021.
- ^ "BORNOVA METROSU'NDA MUTLU SON". www.izmirmetro.com.tr. İZMİR METRO A.Ş. Retrieved 4 May 2021.
- ^ "Büyükşehir tünel için düğmeye bastı". Hürriyet. 8 October 2014. Archived from the original on 14 March 2016. Retrieved 3 January 2016.
TD2
- ... that Bell Labs TD-2 microwave relay system (tower pictured) was used to carry television and telephone calls across North America? Source: Dickieson
- ALT1:... that AT&T's TD-2 microwave relay system (tower pictured) was abandoned in the 1990s but has found a second life for high-frequency trading? Source: Anthony
- Reviewed: Albert helmet
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC).
- @Maury Markowitz: This is an enjoyable read, new enough and long enough. Image is appropriately licensed. Citation needed to end the sentence ending in
Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway
. ALT0 is good with [6] as the better link than Dickinson, but I don't see a mention of TD2 in the Ars Technica source (though I'm sure it's a near-identical revival the way it is described). Any potential remediation of these? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:10, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie: The Ars article contains an image of the Long Lines article. This dates to 1949, before the name TD2 was widely used. It's the same set of towers. CP mention removed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: OK, that makes sense. I still see the CP section; the part that would need to be cited is
the only major national-scale dedicated TH installation was in Canada, a joint effort by the Canadian National Railway and Canadian Pacific Railway.
. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC) - @Maury Markowitz: I see you're working on Trans Canada Microwave. Is Aspden 1964 from that article appropriate to fill the gap? I can't access its full text, but I bet it would mention TH. Otherwise this can be excised. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: OK, that makes sense. I still see the CP section; the part that would need to be cited is
- @Sammi Brie: The Ars article contains an image of the Long Lines article. This dates to 1949, before the name TD2 was widely used. It's the same set of towers. CP mention removed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:36, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: This is an enjoyable read, new enough and long enough. Image is appropriately licensed. Citation needed to end the sentence ending in
Articles created/expanded on July 13
Ni Yulan
- ... that because Ni Yulan (pictured) filmed the forced eviction of a neighbor's home in Beijing, she was beaten by the PRC's police for 15 hours and consequently maimed? [1]
- ALT1:... that after Ni Yulan's (pictured) home was forcibly demolished to make way for the 2008 Beijing Olympics, she was arrested and beaten by the PRC's police at the Xinjiekou Police Station until she lost consciousness? [1]
Improved to Good Article status by Thomas Meng (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to Good Article status on March 2, 2021 and nominated for DYK July 13, 2021. The nomination was not sufficiently sooner after promotion to Good Article status to be eligible for DYK. Hanjaf1 (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hanjaf1, it looks like it was nominated for GA on March 2, the review began on June 11, and it became a GA on July 12. (The date on {{GA nominee}} was left in place when it was changed to {{GA}}. I've now fixed that.) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, the article and nomination are within guidelines. The hooks are appropriately sourced, but I would prefer a more mainstream media source than Human Rights Watch, since the facts have been reported worldwide. Hanjaf1 (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- The second hook is 203 characters. Hanjaf1 (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
@Hanjaf1 and Thomas Meng: Just to confirm, this is a full approval? Regarding hook length, "PRC's" can be removed from both hooks, which brings the hooks under the character limit and is unnecessary given Beijing is mentioned. Further, are there no other hooks that don't focus on her injuries? This is a living person, so it is worth considering if that is the best item to focus on, especially as it hides what per the page is quite a career. CMD (talk) 14:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Hanjaf1, Thomas Meng, and Chipmunkdavis: Further to that comment, I haven't seen any conviction of the police in the sources, so per WP:BLPCRIME that best we can say is "alleged", I think. What else can we say about her. Kingsif (talk) 03:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b "China: Beaten Activist to Be Tried on Eve of Olympics". Human Rights Watch. Retrieved 13 July 2021.
Giedrė Šlekytė
- ...
that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted a production of Mozart's Die Zauberflöte for children at the 2018 Salzburg Festival and made her debut at the Oper Frankfurt with Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmélites in 2021? Source: several
- Reviewed: Insaniquarium
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:56, 20 July 2021 (UTC).
- Article meets requirements and a QPQ has been done, but the hook is just a "conductor conducts opera" hook, which is just describing her job. Perhaps a hook about her past would be better? Something like:
- ALT1
... that prior to starting her career as a conductor, Giedrė Šlekytė considered becoming a dancer or journalist?
- ALT1
- Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree. Not everybody conducts at the Salzburg Festival, not everybody is willing to conduct for children, and very few are entrusted with new productions right after opening after the lockdown because of the pandemic. The opera - set during the French Revolution - deserves attention. - For me, that a conductor conducts is boring, but what kind of music a conductor conducts at which house is of highest interest, and what that conductor did before is of no interest. My pov. You can do your hooks your way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Not everybody conducts at the Salzburg Festival, not everybody is willing to conduct for children, and very few are entrusted with new productions right after opening after the lockdown because of the pandemic.
None of these are evident in the hook Gerda. The typical reader is not going to understand these important things at first glance. You need to get their attention from the get-go with a self-apparent hook, not a hook that requires extensive up-to-date knowledge about the opera industry. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)- Very generally: I like to say what a subject, especially a living person - is notable for, not something which is peripheral to that, and certainly not only say something peripheral. Do we need another discussion round on project DYK? (Please say no. I have guests and am in vacation mood, so have only time for minimum service these days.) Readers are different, and so DYK should be in order to be broad, not catering to only feed and connect to what everybody knows already. If they don't know the festival or the opera, here's their chance to learn they exist, and if they don't care, fine. We have only 150 chars, and they should be substantial, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- ps: I believe that the interesting name alone may prompt readers to find out if that is a man or woman, coming from where, and why the person is mentioned, - regardless what else the hook says, - so the hook can say something substantial without harm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- In all honesty, if for example there was a hook about a ballet dancer which mentioned that she graduated with a degree in video game development, I personally would find that far more unusual and interesting than a hook about said ballet dancer performing in a production of Swan Lake in Moscow. Because a ballet dancer doing a ballet production is by itself not an eye-raising fact, but if that dancer had a background that wasn't related to ballet, that would be more unique. There isn't something inherently wrong with "performer/conductor performs/conducted work X/Y/Z" hooks, but if that's the entire meat of the hook without mentioning something that catches the attention of not just you but the average reader, then more often than not they don't really work out. Gerda, you really need to keep in mind the interests of the average Wikipedia reader and not assume that every reader who reads the main page knows anything about classical music. You need to catch their attention with something that would make them want to learn more about the person, even if that something isn't necessarily what they're best known for. If the reader wants to read all about their roles and performances, well that's what reading the article is for. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- So we do need another discussion? After vacation. I have three articles waiting (one a recent death, one a psalm in memory of Yoninah), and many reviews waiting, don't even have time to read this, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- This discussion is going nowhere so I'm asking another editor to take a look at this; given that I had proposed a new hook, I would have been unable to give final approval anyway. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- So we do need another discussion? After vacation. I have three articles waiting (one a recent death, one a psalm in memory of Yoninah), and many reviews waiting, don't even have time to read this, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- In all honesty, if for example there was a hook about a ballet dancer which mentioned that she graduated with a degree in video game development, I personally would find that far more unusual and interesting than a hook about said ballet dancer performing in a production of Swan Lake in Moscow. Because a ballet dancer doing a ballet production is by itself not an eye-raising fact, but if that dancer had a background that wasn't related to ballet, that would be more unique. There isn't something inherently wrong with "performer/conductor performs/conducted work X/Y/Z" hooks, but if that's the entire meat of the hook without mentioning something that catches the attention of not just you but the average reader, then more often than not they don't really work out. Gerda, you really need to keep in mind the interests of the average Wikipedia reader and not assume that every reader who reads the main page knows anything about classical music. You need to catch their attention with something that would make them want to learn more about the person, even if that something isn't necessarily what they're best known for. If the reader wants to read all about their roles and performances, well that's what reading the article is for. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- I disagree. Not everybody conducts at the Salzburg Festival, not everybody is willing to conduct for children, and very few are entrusted with new productions right after opening after the lockdown because of the pandemic. The opera - set during the French Revolution - deserves attention. - For me, that a conductor conducts is boring, but what kind of music a conductor conducts at which house is of highest interest, and what that conductor did before is of no interest. My pov. You can do your hooks your way. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2:
... that promising conductor Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly 1st Kapellmeister in Klagenfurt, made already her debuts in Dresden, Salzburg, Zürich, Leipzig and Frankfurt?Grimes2 (talk) 11:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I don't like these "laundry lists" of places in articles, worse in a hook. (... and if places, then links to opera houses, but better not). - Also: imagine you made a great career and someone said "promising" ;) - She is an accomplished musician, and being entrusted with the Poulenc (20th century complex music) at the Opera House of the Year in Europe says so, in other words, while the children's Mozart is meant to add a touch for a smile. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2a:
... that young Lithuanian conductor Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly 1st Kapellmeister in Klagenfurt, has held already major guest-conducting positions in Europe?Grimes2 (talk) 12:00, 1 August 2021 (UTC)- That's better, but why would you mention Klagenfurt which some will not know, instead of Salzburg which is likely the second-best-known festival on earth? ... + why the also not well known job description Kapellmeister instead of a well-understood "conducted"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to give a second opinion on the various hooks, and possibly a final approval of this nomination. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2b:
... that Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly conductor in Klagenfurt, has held already major guest-conducting positions in Europe?Grimes2 (talk) 19:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Honestly ALT2b sounds too vague, not to mention it doesn't even suggest that she is a woman composer, which I thought was pretty interesting by itself. If we had to use some variation of ALT2 I would have preferred the original version (except reword "made already her debuts" to something else). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:15, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Is this more concret? Nothing sensational. Grimes2 (talk) 10:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2c:
... that promising woman conductor Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly 1st Kapellmeister in Klagenfurt, is designated first guest conductor of the Bruckner Orchester Linz?Grimes2 (talk) 10:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Narutolovehinata5, very generally: to find something special because a woman did it is sexist (so I was told, and understand). Specifically: this woman hates it, as one of the sources says, in the headline. - Grimes2, striking because of that, + sorry, Linz is provincial compared to Frankfurt. - Moving the whole ALT2c above "do not write below". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2d:
... that Giedrė Šlekytė, formerly 1st Kapellmeister in Klagenfurt, was already guest conductor at Staatskapelle Dresden?Grimes2 (talk) 11:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer, but wait please, - a different reviewer might just like the original. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2d seems very niche and doesn't seem to appeal to non-classical music fans. As for the original hook, I just checked it and realized that it's 202 characters; as such, it's regrettably been struck due to being over the length limit. If a shortened version of it can be proposed, feel free to do so to allow it to be considered by a reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2c:
- ALT0a: ... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted Mozart's Die Zauberflöte for children at the 2018 Salzburg Festival and made her debut at the Oper Frankfurt with Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmélites in 2021? Grimes2 (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- 187 characters. Grimes2 (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the new hook. My main concern with it is that it seems to be trying to cram in too much information into one hook, but perhaps another reviewer may disagree. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- It is a bit long. There's also no payoff or twist that would pique the interest of a reader unfamiliar with classical music. Something more immediately tantalizing might be better.—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the new hook. My main concern with it is that it seems to be trying to cram in too much information into one hook, but perhaps another reviewer may disagree. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- 187 characters. Grimes2 (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
- If I may offer an unsolicited ALT which might be more intriguing to a reader not familiar with classical music...
- ALT3:
... that Giedrė Šlekytė dismissed questions about being a female conductor by saying "artists should convince through their performance, regardless of whether they are male or female"?Source: "Dass sie beruflich oft auf das Frausein angesprochen werde, sei mühsam. 'Künstler sollen durch Leistung überzeugen, egal ob männlich oder weiblich', sagt Giedrė Šlekytė." ([7])—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)- Thank you for the offer, but how about saying that for some newcomer without achievements yet, while this one was entrusted with a production of a 20th-century composition at the opera house of last year, which is outstanding! - Almost any woman could have said what she said, and I like to be as specific as possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Being as specific as possible in this case has led to hooks that haven't really worked out. Maybe the goal here should be to write a hook that would interest even someone unfamiliar with classical music, rather than trying to make a hook that's specific to one person. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this is a DYK about a specific person, not about her - as many of us women - getting angry when doing something as a woman is regarded as something special. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstood my comment. I meant to say that it's better to write a hook that is interesting to a wide audience, rather than to write a hook that really only appeals to a niche or even just one person. And as another editor already suggested earlier in the nomination, ALT2 and its variations are pretty niche. I do agree that ALT3 is problematic. If we do need a non-controversial hook, we still have ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but this is a DYK about a specific person, not about her - as many of us women - getting angry when doing something as a woman is regarded as something special. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Being as specific as possible in this case has led to hooks that haven't really worked out. Maybe the goal here should be to write a hook that would interest even someone unfamiliar with classical music, rather than trying to make a hook that's specific to one person. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT3:
- This doesn't seem to be working out, and no agreement has been reached on a hook thus far. If no compromise hook can be proposed soon, I'd recommend the nomination be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:38, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Striking ALT1 as almost insulting a great conductor by mentioning only a typical youthful undecidedness about a carrer and no achievement. Striking a few others I can't get behind as already explained, to make life easier for a new reviewer.
- I meant the mentioning of Salzburg in the original hook not as cramming in information but as a connection to something familiar, but if you believe we should not do that:
- ALT0b: ... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmélites at the Oper Frankfurt with Poulenc's in 2021?
- There are few productions at all in 2021, due to the pandemic. It's noteworthy that she got a chance, it doesn't matter what she conducted to the masses, and for those who want to know a bit more, it's an interesting piece by a composer with a featured article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0b doesn't address CurryTime7-24's concerns about the fact being interesting to those unfamiliar with classical music. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Don't you think you could leave it to CurryTime7-24 to say that? - We won't get around "... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted" because that's what she stands for. - Listen, she fascinated me conducting. I'd like to tell the world, - that's my motivation for having written the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT4 ... that when the Salzburg Festival included a performance of Mozart's Magic Flute for children in 2018, they asked Giedrė Šlekytė to be the conductor?
- Final offer! ALT4 ... it just present the same facts above in I hope a more intriguing way Victuallers (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the offer, but it expands the part that was dropped in ALT0b, for several reasons: 2021 is more recent than 2018, a performance after lockdown is especially remarkable as there are few, Frankfurt is a more important location than Salzburg, Poulenc is more unusual than Mozart. (This is DYK presenting the unknown, not: sure you know Mozart.) Also, they certainly didn't play it in English for Austrian children, and when a piece has an article we don't link the composer. - Thank you for copyediting. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Don't you think you could leave it to CurryTime7-24 to say that? - We won't get around "... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted" because that's what she stands for. - Listen, she fascinated me conducting. I'd like to tell the world, - that's my motivation for having written the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0b doesn't address CurryTime7-24's concerns about the fact being interesting to those unfamiliar with classical music. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think the reader needs to know much about classical music to realize that a special performance, for children, of a major work might be unusual. ALT0 wasn't the hookiest hook in the world but it was OK. EEng 12:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- To be clear, performances for children are not unusual, at least here in the United States. Over here in Los Angeles, both the Los Angeles Philharmonic and Los Angeles Opera have had long-running programs directed at youth. (In fact, as a child I attended a number of performances by the latter as part of class field trips.) This kind of outreach is expected from any music director of a major American classical music organization. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think it also depends on the type of performance. At least in my country, it was not uncommon for field trips to include watching family-friendly performances such as ballets, plays, and musicals (think Cirque du Soleil-type events), but I do not recall it being common when it comes to classical music in general. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm guessing children's shows at Salzburg are unusual. EEng 12:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Can we please return for the side-show at Salzburg, which was only added to connect to something familiar, to the key fact that she conducted a rare (any opera production is rare in 2021!) performance at the Opera House of the year, - if we really can't say both?? (Explained above, so tired of repeating.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- The issue here Gerda is nowhere in ALT0 nor its variations does it actually mention that information. There's no indication in the hook whatsoever that the performance was "rare" or took place in after the reopening of performances. If a hook about that could be proposed, maybe that could work, but right now, ALT0 and its variations don't even mention what you want to express. If you want to convey those points that are dear to you, please mention them in the hooks themselves and make sure they're sourced in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:00, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Can we please return for the side-show at Salzburg, which was only added to connect to something familiar, to the key fact that she conducted a rare (any opera production is rare in 2021!) performance at the Opera House of the year, - if we really can't say both?? (Explained above, so tired of repeating.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm guessing children's shows at Salzburg are unusual. EEng 12:39, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think it also depends on the type of performance. At least in my country, it was not uncommon for field trips to include watching family-friendly performances such as ballets, plays, and musicals (think Cirque du Soleil-type events), but I do not recall it being common when it comes to classical music in general. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- To be clear, performances for children are not unusual, at least here in the United States. Over here in Los Angeles, both the Los Angeles Philharmonic and Los Angeles Opera have had long-running programs directed at youth. (In fact, as a child I attended a number of performances by the latter as part of class field trips.) This kind of outreach is expected from any music director of a major American classical music organization. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0c ... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted a production of Mozart's Die Zauberflöte for children at the 2018 Salzburg Festival? Source: [8]Grimes2 (talk) 13:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Given that no agreement has been made on a hook despite multiple suggestions and comments by several editors, there doesn't seem to be a path forward for the nomination anymore. Thus, I'm marking this nomination for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:00, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- You have problems with the hooks, - perhaps a different reviewer will look at it differently. - No, everybody on this planet knows by now that large-scale performances are rare in pandemic days, without pointing that out in every hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I honestly no longer understand what you are aiming for Gerda. You objected to multiple hooks proposed above by other editors due to them not emphasizing Šlekytė's "rare" performance, or that said performance was among the first after the reopening of performances. However, none of your own proposals have even alluded to this. You shouldn't assume that readers know the context of what you're talking about because at first glance the hooks don't give any context whatsoever, they just mention that she conducted a performance without giving the background. As I mentioned earlier, a hook that at least mentions this background could work, but instead you've been insisting on very specific wording that doesn't even properly explain your goal. If what you want to emphasize is her conducting in a pandemic world, then the hook should be about that specifically, not just saying that she's conducting without any allusions to the background. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I value the opinions of both Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5, but I must respectfully agree with the latter. The only hooks which the former finds agreeable are, frankly, boring and seem to appeal only to people already very familiar with classical music. When the entire classical music industry is currently moving forward in the spirit of "the show must go on," I'm not convinced that Giedrė Šlekytė's performances of the Poulenc are intrinsically notable, even given the current situation. Consider last year's production of Messiaen's Saint François d'Assise by Theater Basel. Just looking at the stack of four volumes which comprise the opera's published full score are enough to impart the countless challenges both music and staging present under even the best circumstances. But Theater Basel not only had to perform this opera, but they also had to do so while complying with social distancing mandates. In order to accomplish this, they convinced the Messiaen estate to permit for these performances only an arrangement reducing the ensemble used in this massive work to one about 1/3 the size of the original; commissioning Oscar Strasnoy to realize this feat within only a matter of weeks. All this in fall 2020, well before vaccinations had even begun to roll out—and with glowing reviews to boot. Now that's extraordinary. Comparatively speaking, Šlekytė's conducting of Dialogues des Carmélites isn't any more notable than the forthcoming Salzburg run of Nono's Intolleranza 1960. Which is not to sell her achievement short. But, as Narutolovehinata5 has explained, there has to be more to an ALT than just "subject does their expected job." A good ALT should be enticing first and foremost, something immediately relatable to the lay reader, not a recap of the subject's greatest virtues or even necessarily flattering to the subject. Giedrė Šlekytė deserves to be better known and I sincerely hope that an adequate ALT can yet be devised to accomplish this. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Would a proposal similar to ALT1 have worked? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Yes. It's a relatable and appealing curveball. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Would a proposal similar to ALT1 have worked? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I value the opinions of both Gerda Arendt and Narutolovehinata5, but I must respectfully agree with the latter. The only hooks which the former finds agreeable are, frankly, boring and seem to appeal only to people already very familiar with classical music. When the entire classical music industry is currently moving forward in the spirit of "the show must go on," I'm not convinced that Giedrė Šlekytė's performances of the Poulenc are intrinsically notable, even given the current situation. Consider last year's production of Messiaen's Saint François d'Assise by Theater Basel. Just looking at the stack of four volumes which comprise the opera's published full score are enough to impart the countless challenges both music and staging present under even the best circumstances. But Theater Basel not only had to perform this opera, but they also had to do so while complying with social distancing mandates. In order to accomplish this, they convinced the Messiaen estate to permit for these performances only an arrangement reducing the ensemble used in this massive work to one about 1/3 the size of the original; commissioning Oscar Strasnoy to realize this feat within only a matter of weeks. All this in fall 2020, well before vaccinations had even begun to roll out—and with glowing reviews to boot. Now that's extraordinary. Comparatively speaking, Šlekytė's conducting of Dialogues des Carmélites isn't any more notable than the forthcoming Salzburg run of Nono's Intolleranza 1960. Which is not to sell her achievement short. But, as Narutolovehinata5 has explained, there has to be more to an ALT than just "subject does their expected job." A good ALT should be enticing first and foremost, something immediately relatable to the lay reader, not a recap of the subject's greatest virtues or even necessarily flattering to the subject. Giedrė Šlekytė deserves to be better known and I sincerely hope that an adequate ALT can yet be devised to accomplish this. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I honestly no longer understand what you are aiming for Gerda. You objected to multiple hooks proposed above by other editors due to them not emphasizing Šlekytė's "rare" performance, or that said performance was among the first after the reopening of performances. However, none of your own proposals have even alluded to this. You shouldn't assume that readers know the context of what you're talking about because at first glance the hooks don't give any context whatsoever, they just mention that she conducted a performance without giving the background. As I mentioned earlier, a hook that at least mentions this background could work, but instead you've been insisting on very specific wording that doesn't even properly explain your goal. If what you want to emphasize is her conducting in a pandemic world, then the hook should be about that specifically, not just saying that she's conducting without any allusions to the background. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0d: ... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted a Mozart's Die Zauberflöte for children at the 2018 Salzburg Festival, and Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmélites at the Oper Frankfurt in 2021?
- ALT0d (I've relabeled it since there is already an ALT0c) is basically the same hook as ALT0a, which was already deemed problematic by another editor. It doesn't seem like this "Šlekytė conducted Die Zauberflöte and Dialogues" angle is working out so I would suggest trying a different hook fact. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 19:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- You have problems with the hooks, - perhaps a different reviewer will look at it differently. - No, everybody on this planet knows by now that large-scale performances are rare in pandemic days, without pointing that out in every hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Taking another shot at a hook:
- ALT5 ... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted Dialogues des Carmélites at the Oper Frankfurt in 2021, in one of its first performances during the COVID-19 pandemic?
- This would be dependent on the "among the first pandemic performances" fact being added to the article and sourced, since right now the article makes no mention of the Oper's reopening whatsoever, but hopefully this suggestion is closer to what you were seeking to promote. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 20:18, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Kindly explain what the addition would add to her achievements. The year alone tells that story. I don't think we should add such detail about a universal and universally known situation to thousands of biographies. - Sorry, I have the last of three nominations to finish today, a backlog after days of practical absence. Please give me until tomorrow with any wishes for article changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Let me try another two ALTs:
- ALT6: ... that conductor Giedrė Šlekytė's planned debut with Oper Frankfurt was delayed by eight months due to the COVID-19 pandemic?" Source: ([9])
- ALT7: ... that when Giedrė Šlekytė conducted Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmélites at Oper Frankfurt in 2021, it was the local premiere of this opera? Source: ([10]) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not too keen on ALT7 (it seems to focus more on the work than Šlekytė herself, and it still seems reliant on knowledge of the work or Oper). ALT6 is decent. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT7 is decent, but is it better than ALT0d? - ALT6 is focused on the pandemic above all, - nothing new, nothing about her doing the unusual. Also, "planned debut" sounds as if it was still planned. I planned to expand Peter Fleischmann when his death was recent, and plan to do that today, now, finally, keeping a promise to myself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT8: ... that Giedrė Šlekytė conducted Poulenc's Dialogues des Carmélites in a chamber orchestra version in her debut at the Oper Frankfurt in 2021? Source: [11] Grimes2 (talk) 08:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer, - I added the fact to the article. I also added (from the same interview) that the women's choir had to be positioned on the 3rd tier, and that she was a fan of the stage director's work before they worked together. I could add - but it seems more and more undue weight - that she said that the opera, as the title indicates, is focused on dialogue but that they all talk past each other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Christoph Strehl
- ... that Christoph Strehl (pictured) performed the role of Tamino, playing the magic flute, when Claudio Abbado conducted Mozart's Die Zauberflöte the first time? Source: [12]
- Reviewed: Pierre Olaf
Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC).
- ALT1:
... that tenor Christoph Strehl (pictured), regarded as a specialist for Mozart roles, is a professor of voice at the Mozarteum in Salzburg?Grimes2 (talk) 11:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Mozart tenor and Mozarteum professor Christoph Strehl appeared as Tamino in Die Zauberflöte with Claudio Abbado on the conductor's first recording of the opera? Grimes2 (talk) 17:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- My opinion is, that the hook of a unknown person should give more information. Grimes2 (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. Acceptable! - I don't care much for any link before the subject, and I don't like to put him in the Mozart-tenor drawer. Three times Mozart ... - if it was Beethoven at least ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- I formatted the opera in ALT2 (renamed). No redirect is allowed on the Main page, period, and operas need to be italic. I thought the playing of a magic flute (in English) might be attractive even to readers who never heard of Die Zauberflöte, and I am not willing to compromise with the opera's English title when he sang in German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Another thought that went into the original hook: I intentionally didn't say something like "tenor" or "professor" or "opera" in the beginning, to not loose those who hate these words before the key thing is even said. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- My opinion is, that the hook of a unknown person should give more information. Grimes2 (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1:
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 14
Alfred Fischer Hall
- ... that the Alfred Fischer Hall, built as the machinery hall for a 1912 coal mine by architect Alfred Fischer, was the venue for Beethoven's Fidelio in 2021 (pictured)? Source: several
- Reviewed: Church Missions House
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:57, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
- Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. The fact that it was built as a machinery hall for a coal mine needs to have its relevant reference duplicated after the sentence. Personally I think its past as a machinery hall is more interesting than it being the site of a premiere, and as such I'd suggest that the hook focus solely on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- When it was the machinery hall it wasn't yet an Alfred Fischer Hall. The name is the name of the present-day event venue, and the best way of saying what kind of venue seems to name a prominent performance held there, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- "Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's all correct, but could still mean a much lower scale, such as poetry readings and meetings of rabbit-raisers clubs. The grandeur of the place is better pictured than described vaguely, and the image needs to connect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- "Multi-purpose" is the word used to describe the venue in the lede section, and it wouldn't really be accurate to just use "concert venue" since apparently it's also been used for other kinds of events. I used the word for the hook because that's what's reflected in the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I like to be specific, and multi-purpose is very vague. I like to give one example rather than say "party conventions, pop concerts and operas", especially when a major event, planned for the Beethoven year 2020, cancelled, postponed, and successfully done, which caused tremendous logistics to get all these notable people - everybody pictured has an article - together a year later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- My bad. I have adjusted the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please read the article. It's not an opera venue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- The current name not being its original name has no bearing on the fact, it doesn't change the fact that the building was built as a machinery hall. The hook could be written something like ALT1 ... that the multipurpose venue Alfred Fischer Hall was originally built in 1912 as a machinery hall for a coal mine? to address your concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Article meets DYK requirements, no close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. The fact that it was built as a machinery hall for a coal mine needs to have its relevant reference duplicated after the sentence. Personally I think its past as a machinery hall is more interesting than it being the site of a premiere, and as such I'd suggest that the hook focus solely on that instead. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:02, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
KiHa 183 series
- ... that if you took a certain KiHa 183 series train, you could travel in an animal's lap? Source
- ALT1: ... that you could travel with animals on the Asahiyama Zoo KiHa 183 series service?
- ALT2: ... that you could travel with stuffed animals on the Asahiyama Zoo KiHa 183 series service?
- Reviewed: NA
Created by MiasmaEternal (talk). Self-nominated at 01:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Many paragraphs are unsourced.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - The trains have animal-themed decour. The hook suggests that there are actual animals on the train.
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Cool-looking trains that would deserve a spotlight. No immediate evidence of plaigarism, although in that regard I am assuming good faith as all of the sources are in Japanese. A cursory look at what information I can find doesn't suggest that this article is a hoax. Currently there are many paragraphs which do not have sources. If the sources used in the article also provide the information that is in those unsourced paragraphs then the nomination could be made eligible. The hook is somewhat misleading regarding the contents of the article, although not enough that I would reject it out of hand. Not going to reject this as a reviewer who can read Japanese might be able to help this become eligible, and this appears to be the first nomination by the nominator, so WP:IAR may apply in helping this reach DYK. The merge request appears to be the result of a user mistaking this for a variant of an unrelated but similarly named multiple-unit. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Nominator here - I do agree with the sourcing issue (I'm working on that at the moment). As for the hook, I've added a modified version of the alternate hook above. MiasmaEternalTALK 06:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @MiasmaEternal: are you still working on the sourcing issue? A lot of the paragraphs on the page are still uncited, which has to be fixed before this review is completed. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hey @BuySomeApples: I've been busy in real life, but I've managed to sort out the sourcing issue. MiasmaEternalTALK 09:23, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @MiasmaEternal: are you still working on the sourcing issue? A lot of the paragraphs on the page are still uncited, which has to be fixed before this review is completed. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Nominator here - I do agree with the sourcing issue (I'm working on that at the moment). As for the hook, I've added a modified version of the alternate hook above. MiasmaEternalTALK 06:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 15
Osa Maliki
... that former Communist Party of Indonesia member Osa Maliki later followed an anti-communist policy at the Indonesian National Party?Source for PKI membership: "Anggota PKI. Pernah dihukum pendjara 4 tahun 2 bulan" - "PKI member, imprisoned for 4 years and 2 months" (p76); Source for anti-communist (or anti-PKI) policy: "...like-minded men as Hardi and Osa Maliki, who had felt it necessary to phrase their opposition to the PKI..." (p188)
- Reviewed: Eifuku
Moved to mainspace by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 09:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC).
- Length, date, sourcing, qpq checks out. However, I find that the wording of the hook doesn't catch the essence here. I'd suggest ALT1: "... that Osa Maliki, a former Communist Party of Indonesia member, cooperated with army commander and religious groups in an anti-communist purge inside the Indonesian National Party?" --Soman (talk) 18:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
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- New reviewer needed to complete the review including checking proposed ALT1 hook by first reviewer (original hook has been struck). BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution
... that there is a movement advocating for Kapampangan separatism?- ALT1:... that Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution supported Spain against the rebel Katipuneros?
- Comment: article 1 moved to namespace on 7 June 2021, article 2 on 15 July 2021
Created by SiempreReconozco (talk). Self-nominated at 19:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC).
- SiempreReconozco, the nomination and hook for Kapampangan separatism is, unfortunately, completely ineligible for DYK at this time, having been nominated over a month too late. Should the article become a Good Article in the future, it can be renominated within seven days of being approved.
- The nomination for Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution, on the other hand, was nominated in plenty of time, so that nomination can continue. I've removed the separatism article from most of this page; the page should not be moved/renamed even with the removal. I'll call for a reviewer below. In future, unless all the nominated articles can be included in the same hook, please do a separate nomination for each article.
- Full review needed of the nominated Pampanga in the Philippine Revolution article, with ALT1 as the relevant hook. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
The broad strokes of this article seem correct. However, there are a few issues that need addressing. First of all, not all of the article is cited, and many parts are cited to entire books. It would be preferable, even if sources are offline, for page numbers to be provided. I find this important here as there are potential neutrality issues with the tone and language. The article reads as a bit sensationalist at parts, and not always exactly in line with the sources. For example, "Kapampangans enlisted into the American army en masse" is supported by this article (although the link is not in the citation), which describe only soldiers from Macabebe, and while it gives numbers I am not sure if "en masse" is the right description. Phrases such as "establish peace and order" are also non-neutral at face value, and some parts of the text treat Pampanga as a thinking entity in itself. The core of the article seems good, so I am not failing this, but it needs a bit of work to get it into main-page shape. Best, CMD (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I have since edited the citations of books to refer to pages and paragraphs. Additionally, I have added supporting sources to the sentence in question. I have also added an explanatory sentence that "American sources describe them as the "Macabebe Scouts", despite coming from all over Pampanga". Lastly, I have edited some language to sound more neutral.SiempreReconozco (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hey SiempreReconozco, that's great, although identifying specific paragraphs is unnecessary. However, there are a few areas that appear unsourced. The second paragraph of Background, and most of the Aftermath sections for example, do not have references attached. There are a couple of other stray bits of information, such as "Many of the latter from Macabebe patrolled the Pampanga River and Candaba Swamp to prevent rebel forces from reaching Pampanga" and "Kapampangan soldiers would capture Emilio Aguinaldo in Isabela and help American forces occupy the country". CMD (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I have sourced the needed areas.SiempreReconozco (talk) 07:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi SiempreReconozco, looking at those new sources in Aftermath, they do not appear to be wp:reliable sources as needed by Wikipedia. If there are no sources, it would not hurt the article to simply remove those areas of text, as they are quite far removed from the Philippine revolution. On neutrality, does the Larkin source specifically use the word "terrorism", and if so could you provide a quote? CMD (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 16
Tobias Adrian
- ... that IMF economist Tobias Adrian originated one of the first ways to measure the risk that the financial system could collapse? https://dx.doi.org/10.1257/aer.20120555
- ALT1:... that digital currencies could transform the international banking system, according to IMF economist Tobias Adrian? https://www.reuters.com/business/bis-imf-call-global-coordination-digital-cbank-currencies-2021-07-09/
ALT2:... that the New York Fed publishes a monthly recession indicator derived from work on the yield curve by economist Tobias Adrian?
- Reviewed: Ni Yulan
Created by Hanjaf1 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 17 July 2021 (UTC).
- Comment I don't think the first or third hooks are appropriate. For 1: it is a primary source. We need a secondary source to say that Covar is "one of the first ways to measure the risk that the financial system could collapse". For 3: The source does not say that the monthly recession indicator is derived from Adrian's work. Calliopejen1 (talk) 01:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
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- ALT3: ... that IMF economist Tobias Adrian helped devise CoVaR, a method used to stress test banks after the great recession? https://www.economist.com/special-report/2009/05/16/the-revolution-within
- That's much better than ALT1 about digital currencies, which is essentially "OPINION... according to person," and which I strongly oppose. DS (talk) 03:21, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 17
Bicellariella ciliata, Crisularia plumosa, Bugulina flabellata, Bugulina turbinata
- ... that Bicellariella ciliata, Crisularia plumosa, Bugulina flabellata and Bugulina turbinata form part of a bryozoan "turf" on steep or vertical rock exposed to moderate water movement?
- Reviewed: Ahmet Cevat Emre. Both of these are two article hooks, making four QPQs in total.
- Comment: Also reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Samuel Street.
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC).
- The articles were nominated within 7 days of creation, so they are new. All are longer than 1,500 characters (though Bugulina turbinata narrowly so). Citations are abundant and all sources are accessible and confirm the content. I see no NPOV concerns nor can I imagine there being any. QPQ is done. The hook is short enough and supported by an inline citation in each an article, but I am not convinced that it is "interesting to a broad audience". There is, in my opinion, more to the articles than moss-like animals gently swaying in the water, though I cannot find anything captivating that unites all four. Here is a suggestion:
ALT1: ... that moss animals Crisularia plumosa and Bugulina flabellata, which form a "turf" alongside Bicellariella ciliata and Bugulina turbinata, start lives as males and females, respectively, but later change sex?
If this hook is acceptable to Cwmhiraeth, it should be reviewed by another editor. If Cwmhiraeth would like to suggest more alternatives, I will gladly review them. The visibility of B. turbinata's yellow embryos sounds nice, for example. Surtsicna (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- The articles were nominated within 7 days of creation, so they are new. All are longer than 1,500 characters (though Bugulina turbinata narrowly so). Citations are abundant and all sources are accessible and confirm the content. I see no NPOV concerns nor can I imagine there being any. QPQ is done. The hook is short enough and supported by an inline citation in each an article, but I am not convinced that it is "interesting to a broad audience". There is, in my opinion, more to the articles than moss-like animals gently swaying in the water, though I cannot find anything captivating that unites all four. Here is a suggestion:
- @Surtsicna: I thought the idea of them forming a lawn-like turf quite interesting, and I created them as a bunch with that idea in mind. How about ALT2? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the moss animals Bicellariella ciliata, Crisularia plumosa, Bugulina flabellata and Bugulina turbinata can form part of a bryozoan "turf" covering rocks?
- Cwmhiraeth, I figured you wanted them together, but I doubt "turf" alone would be considered particularly riveting by "a broad audience". I do prefer ALT2 to the original because it is clear to the broad audience that the "turf" organisms are animals. (On a possibly related note, I confess to being professionally biased against actual lawns.) If ALT1 is factually correct and we only differ in preferences, I would suggest leaving the choice of hook to a third editor/another reviewer. The articles pass all the requirements with flying colours! Surtsicna (talk) 12:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: I don't favour ALT1 because the bryozoan is really a colony with both male and female zooids. It is the zooids that change sex, not the whole colony. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Typequick
- ... that Your Computer thought touch-typing software Typequick was "for budding software developers to study and seek to emulate? [13]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/ChickClick
- Comment: Also accepting great hooks from reviewers. :)
Created by Coin945 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:55, 17 July 2021 (UTC).
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- Official request for second review: While I have addressed RoySmith's points one by one and requested a follow-up, they have decided not to continue with their review. I believe this is unreasonable as there is concrete evidence that contradicts their statements regarding the article's eligibility. The article does not plagarise (the Earwig report and Creative Commons image) or have a bias (neutral well-sourced article; positive-slanted literature which proportinally effects Critical Reception section). RoySmith has decided against taking this evidence into account and has instead stuck with their original judgement. For this reason I officially request that RoySmith's review is closed and a second review is conducted.--Coin945 (talk) 01:00, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Nikkimaria to get a second opinion as to whether there is close paraphrasing that needs to be addressed. Thank you for checking. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you @BlueMoonset:! Please note that Earwig's Copyvio Detector has a report of "Violation Unlikely
7.4%now 2.9% similarity".--Coin945 (talk) 05:56, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Coin945, thanks, I had noted that in the extended content section before posting. Earwig can be useful for copyvio concerns (though even for them you can't take its word for "Violation Unlikely", since I've found copyright violations with percentages as low as 9%), but it is not designed to find close paraphrasing or some forms of plagiarism. It's why I requested that Nikkimaria take a look. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:09, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the update @BlueMoonset:. Please let me know if any of the images need to be altered or removed. I'm happy to do this.--Coin945 (talk) 06:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Note: I am accustomed to writing video game articles rather than company articles. For this reason the article includes sections like 'Critical reception'. If required I can easily convert the article in one about the video game series Typequick.--Coin945 (talk) 22:49, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I don't have access to all of the sources used in the article or flagged as potentially problematic. Of the ones I can access, I'm not seeing anything overly concerning on spotchecks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:37, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset:, now that @Nikkimaria: has responded, I wonder if you could please finish this review?--Coin945 (talk) 13:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Coin945, I have included this in the list of "Older nominations needing DYK reviewers" on the DYK talk page; I won't be reviewing it myself. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you @BlueMoonset:! Please note that Earwig's Copyvio Detector has a report of "Violation Unlikely
- I have no problem with this being re-reviewed, but don't get distracted from the major issue. The problems flagged by Earwig are relatively minor and easily fixed, and thus by themselves would not have caused me to fail the review. The reason this failed the review is WP:NPOV; the whole article reads like a puff piece for the product. In my opinion it "requires considerable work before becoming eligible", which is the criteria for {{DYKno}}. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed for a second review. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 18
Geoffrey Guy
- ... that Geoffrey Guy's company GW Pharmaceuticals produced the first cannabis-based medicines available on Britain's National Health Service?
- ALT1:... that ...?
- Reviewed: CBS Building|CBS Building
Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 17:18, 24 July 2021 (UTC).
- Date and length fine. However @Whispyhistory:, I can't see the claim in the source. IT says first to get a licence but not first to develop weed based medicine. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing. Just need that fixed and I'll have another look. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for reviewing @The C of E:...will go through article again and ping you back if that is okay with you. Whispyhistory (talk) 04:36, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 21
Eli Bebout
- ... that Eli Bebout, a future Speaker of the Wyoming House of Representatives, was first elected to the Wyoming House of Representatives as a write-in candidate? "Democrats field full slate in Fremont". Casper Star-Tribune. September 17, 1986. p. 20. Archived from the original on July 11, 2021 – via Newspapers.com."Democrats field full slate in Fremont". Casper Star-Tribune. November 6, 1986. p. 11. Archived from the original on July 11, 2021 – via Newspapers.com.
5x expanded by Jon698 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
- This is only a comment and not a review, but I would suggest the hook be reworded to prevent redundancy (it mentions "Wyoming House of Representatives" twice in quick succession). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Serpent seed
- ... that the serpent seed is a fringe belief that claims the Serpent mated with Eve in the Garden of Eden, and their offspring was Cain?Source: "Christian Identity". Anti-Defamation League. "Many [within Christian Identity] consider Jews to be the Satanic offspring of Eve and the Serpent, while non-whites are "mud peoples" created before Adam and Eve. Its virulent racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are usually accompanied by extreme anti-government sentiments."
- ALT1:... that the Gnostic Gospel of Philip (c. 350) contains a version of serpent seed idea that Eve mated with the Serpent and their offspring was Cain? Source: Gospel of Philip 61:5-10: First adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he (Cain) was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.
5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self-nominated at 12:53, 21 July 2021 (UTC).
- Reviewing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- DYKcheck seems to suggest that the update happened on the 15th, so that's fine. Clearly long enough, no copyvio found. Happy with the topic being on main page, however, I would like the hook to be a bit cleaner, maybe replace "fringe" with "controversial"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:27, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 22
Claus Guth
- ... that Claus Guth (pictured), recognised internationally when he directed the premiere of Cronaca del luogo at the Salzburg Festival, staged Dialogues des Carmélites in 2021 in Frankfurt? Source: several
- Reviewed: Kokawa-dera Engi Emaki
- Comment: If the Poulenc gets mentioned for the conductor we can turn to the Faust award, but it is in danger. - Sorry, I should have nominated yesterday but had a very busy day.
Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 09:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC).
- ALT1: ... that Claus Guth (pictured), recognised internationally when he directed the 1999 premiere of Berio's Cronaca del luogo at the Salzburg Festival, has been awarded later two Der Faust? Grimes2 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer, but I believe that it would be better to link to an opera than the award, and also that Der Faust is not as well known as the Grammies. Anyway, if that line, perhaps:
- ALT1a: ... that Claus Guth (pictured), recognised internationally since he directed the 1999 premiere of Berio's Cronaca del luogo at the Salzburg Festival, later received two Faust awards? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 24
History of the Jews in Odessa
- ... that during the Second World War, Odessa was attacked by the combined forces of Romanian and German troops in August 1941? Source:page 41-60
- ... that Odessa's Rabbi Berish ben Yisrael Usher was beaten to death by several Jews because they were unhappy with the rabbi's strict approach to the observance of Jewish law? Source: [20]
Created/expanded by Ratnahastin (talk). Self-nominated at 07:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Too heavily reliant on Zipperstein (and when I say it, I mean it); some quotes left unreferenced; ref #4 (Cambridge Companion of Jewish Music) - I was not able to confirm these words despite having access to the book.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - See comment
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- Interesting: - See comment
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Overall: Let's start from the good news. The article was new enough and long enough at the time of nomination. The article is fairly neutral for me and the fragments seems not to follow the text too closely. The hook is cited. And I would like to commend you for the effort you have done for what indeed a very important topic for Odessa.
- Unfortunately, I've also got bad news, and I've got a lot of it. First, sourcing. The book by Zipperstein is a valuable reference, indeed, but whole subsections relying on one source only (sections: Economic life, Second wave, Galician Jews) is not something I think is good enough to pass the "sourced" requirement. And referenced 19 times, which is almost as much as all other sources combined? No, that's not how I believe it works. Pages cited from books are also needed, or, if the pages aren't available, quotes. Btw, how is it possible that WJC says there are 45K Jews in Odessa when the 2001 census in Ukraine says that Ukraine as a whole has 13.4K?
- Second, the language. Please consider submitting your text to another else prior to publishing, because at times I felt that what you have written wasn't written in English. Try to write in simpler sentences, and other editors with better knowledge of the language will care of the rest (some clarification requests have been put because I can't decipher the sentence as it sounded in the original). Keep particular attention to placing spaces after commas, capitalising names and adjectives of nationalities (Jews, Jewish...) etc. I couldn't help laughing when I came across the fragment which said that Jews had been managing "cockery stores" in Odessa (apparently they were hard-working and yet have constantly been at the cutting edge of cocking about).
- The tone and selection of information is also something that should be fixed. By the end of the article, it looked acceptable, but the beginning was pretty awful.
- Now, to the hooks. I reject ALT0 because it says absolutely nothing about the Jewish population in Odessa. If anything, that hook could be OK for "History of Odessa in WWII" article, but not this one. ALT1 is not brilliant but if you have absolutely no other ideas, it might go, though I'd strongly suggest to change it. I'd propose the hook to the lines of "at one time, Jews constituted almost 90% of Odessa's population" (as it appears in the text) or that "despite the massacre in 1940 and WWII in general, Jews still constituted more than 10% of Odessa's post-war population", or something about Jewish culture, architecture, trade influence, whatever.
- I don't want to fail the nomination outright, so I give you 2 weeks to research more materials on the topic and address the issues as outlined here. You might want to get help from editors who know Russian and/or Ukrainian (personally I know both but I don't guarantee I will have time to help you).
- Requesting second opinion for the nomination. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Note to second reviewer. Some changes have been implemented in the article, including clarification or removal of some dubious fragments + a few citations have been added. While it seems a little better now, I still would want someone to have a second look on the article. Cheers, Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 26
Baalshillem II
- ... that the coins issued by Baalshillem II, the Phoenician king of Sidon, were the first Sidonian coins to bear minting dates corresponding to the king's year of reign? Source: Elayi 2006, p.9
- ALT1:... that Baalshillem II was the first king of Sidon to engrave his coins with minting dates corresponding to his regnal year? Source: Elayi 2006, p.9
- ALT2:... that Baalshillem II, the Phoenician king of Sidon, dedicated an inscribed marble statue of crown prince Abdashtart I to the temple of Eshmun? Source: Elayi 2018, p.249
- ALT3:... that the inscriptions on the Baalshillem Temple Boy statue, dedicated by Phoenician king Baalshillem II to the temple of Eshmun, allowed scholars to identify three of the king's predecessors? Source: Elayi 2018, p.249
- Comment: qpq done
Created by Elias Ziade (talk). Self-nominated at 11:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 27
Herschel Albert Prins
- ... that criminologist Herschel Prins asked whether young Afro-Caribbean men were "big, black and dangerous?"
- ALT1:... that ...?
- Reviewed: George Curtis
Created by Whispyhistory (talk), Edwardx (talk), and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 13:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Other problems: - Hook is misleading
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Overall: Article is new enough, long enough and sourced. qpq has been provided, and Earwig is only picking up false positives. The hook is not quite ready, because quoting the title of his report without context might imply to readers that Prins was racist. In reality, the article explains that he actually refuted the idea that young black men were dangerous, and his report found that they were mistreated due to systemic racism. I think it would be better to go with a hook that is less misleading about Prins and the nature of his work, just in case people don't read the article. BuySomeApples (talk) 22:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I don't think that we are responsble for the reactions of those who don't bother to read the article, and there is already a clear implication in the hook that he didn't think that, but perhaps there is an alternative form of words. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- It might come down to a slight tweak which is probably worth the effort. I do think that we're a bit responsible for making sure that the hooks are accurate-ish, since the rules do say to be careful not to misstate the content. What do you think of ALT1 @Philafrenzy:? BuySomeApples (talk) 00:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that criminologist Herschel Prins questioned the idea that young Afro-Caribbean men were "big, black and dangerous" during his inquiry into the deaths of black patients at Broadmoor Hospital? BuySomeApples (talk) 00:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you @BuySomeApples: and @Philafrenzy:. How about below...Whispyhistory (talk) 10:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that criminologist Herschel Prins incorporated the subtitle "big, black and dangerous" in his report title, to reflect the racist labelling that allowed young black men at Broadmoor Hospital to be restrained rather than receive treatment? [21]
- ALT3:... that criminologist Herschel Prins's inquiry into the treatment of young black men by the British criminal justice system found that at Broadmoor Hospital they were often stereotyped as "big, black and dangerous"? Philafrenzy (talk) 18:32, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Whispyhistory: both those hooks are great! They each run over the 200 character limit, so I trimmed down ALT3 below, let me know what you think. BuySomeApples (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT3b:... that criminologist Herschel Prins's inquiry into the treatment of black men by the British criminal justice system found that at Broadmoor Hospital they were stereotyped as "big, black and dangerous"? BuySomeApples (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Okay with me. Thank you. Whispyhistory (talk) 13:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alt hook needs review by a different editor before approval. BuySomeApples (talk) 19:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 29
Robert M. Briggs
- ... that Beetown, Wisconsin, merchant Robert M. Briggs secured re-election to the Wisconsin State Assembly promising that a new railroad would run double tracks by Beetown "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"? Source: Butterfield, C. W. History of Grant County, Wisconsin, containing an account of its settlement... etc. etc. Chicago: Western Historical Society, 1881; p. 573
- ALT1:... that Robert M. Briggs won re-election to the State Assembly promising that a new railroad would run double tracks by Beetown, Wisconsin, "like two rows of brass buttons on a double-breasted vest"? Source: Butterfield, C. W. History of Grant County, Wisconsin, containing an account of its settlement... etc. etc. Chicago: Western Historical Society, 1881; p. 573
Created/expanded by Orangemike (talk). Self-nominated at 17:31, 29 July 2021 (UTC).
- ALT0 cannot be approved as it is above the 200 character limit; ALT1 is 195 characters, which personally is a little too long for comfort. If feasible, an a shorter hook be proposed here? The quote is interesting but admittedly it may be challenging to write a hook that meets the requirements without sacrificing it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
- The quote is the hook; it's minor but amusing, as a morsel of colorful American folk language of its time. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Even if so, both hooks are simply too long. There's probably a way to mention the quote in full while still writing a reasonably shorter hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT0 cannot be approved as it is above the 200 character limit; ALT1 is 195 characters, which personally is a little too long for comfort. If feasible, an a shorter hook be proposed here? The quote is interesting but admittedly it may be challenging to write a hook that meets the requirements without sacrificing it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 30
Protestant Church, Borgholzhausen
- ... that the Protestant Church in Borgholzhausen features a 1501 carved stone altar with scenes from the Passion of Jesus (pictured)? Source: scenes, image + year
- Reviewed: Zhu Weizhi
- Comment: The church is a no-name church. I believe that a pic shows more than 1000 words, again.
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
- Review underway... Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 10:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- All good on length, date of creation and source quality. Images, including the one used in the nom, are suitably licensed (nice to see the 1908 view, by the way!). A QPQ review has been done. We just need a specific cite for the 1501 date. Any of refs [1], [2] or [8] would suffice. Optional suggestions: I was surprised to read in ref [3] that the present church is the fifth on the same site; this might be worth mentioning as well. Also worth linking hall church in the "Building" paragraph. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Mairin Mitchell
- ... that George Orwell said of Mairin Mitchell's Storm Over Spain (1937) that it was "written by a Catholic, but very sympathetic to the Spanish Anarchists"?
Source: George Orwell, "Review Storm over Spain by Mairin Mitchell" in The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell: An age like this, 1920-1940 (Secker & Warburg, 1968), pp. 296–297
- Reviewed: Dracophyllum traversii
Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 09:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC).
Meme Man
- ... that Meme Man was popularized during the 2021 GameStop short squeeze by users of the subreddit r/wallstreetbets as the face of the "stonks" meme? Source: https://www.insider.com/stonks-meme-origin-stocks-dogecoin-gamestop-hold-line-memes-game-2021-1
- ALT1:... that Meme Man is used in many surreal memes, a genre of internet humor inspired by surrealism? Source: “For the most part, surreal memes don't feature any recurring characters, except what looks like a decapitated bald head...He goes by "Meme Man," and is the mascot of a surreal memes Facebook page called "Special meme fresh." (https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/xwz833/surreal-memes-are-the-last-escape-the-internet-has)
Created by Yitzilitt (talk). Self-nominated at 03:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC).
- Comment Yitzilitt, thanks for this nomination! The basic concept seems OK for a DYK. However, reading the sources, I have concerns about the information. A lot of the websites, even if they're considered reliable sources, ultimately admit that they got their information from Know Your Meme, and while I do find them pretty reliable I'm concerned about whether we consider that a reliable source. It would be nice to have some information about the "Special meme fresh" facebook page-is this person generally considered an artist or more an admin of a Facebook group, and do they always go by that name or is that more the name of their Facebook group? The comment Special meme fresh apparently made that it "was a wonky attempt at a human head posted on 4chan's 3DCG board long ago" could probably be quoted as without reading the text closely you could assume that they created the image. I'm also not keen on either of the hooks as phrased: I was aware of the "stonks" meme in the context of anything dramatic/stupid happening with finance long before the Gamestock spike. I would maybe consider reordering that hook to something like "Meme man, [already used as] the face of the stonks meme, was popularized during..." etc. The second hook repeats itself so could also maybe use rephrasing. In any case, the topic is clearly notable, so I've marked the article as patrolled. I would suggest quoting Slate's sentence "The image of a generic business dude with a 3D-rendered head standing in front of a ticker with a giant arrow pointing up, with its suggestion of empty-headed overconfidence, became a popular template for jokes about dumb life and money decisions" as for me this kind of epitomises the meme, and add a fair use image of the "Stonks" meme itself. Blythwood (talk) 01:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
James B. Duke House
... that heiress Doris Duke referred to her childhood home in New York City (pictured) as "the rock pile"?Source: Pace, Eric (October 29, 1993). "Doris Duke, 80, Heiress Whose Great Wealth Couldn't Buy Happiness, Is Dead". The New York Times.- ALT1:
... that when she was 14 years old, heiress Doris Duke sued her mother for ownership of her New York City home (pictured) and won?Source: "Doris Duke, 14, Gets $1,600,000 House" (PDF). The New York Times. February 11, 1927. p. 12. - ALT2:
... that the James B. Duke House (pictured) replaced "the best-built house ever torn down in New York City"?Source: Tauranac, John (1985). Elegant New York: The Builders and the Buildings, 1885-1915. New York: Abbeville Press. p. 116. - ALT3:
... that the James B. Duke House (pictured), the second house of tobacco magnate James Buchanan Duke and his family, is now used by New York University?Source: Budin, Jeremiah (February 21, 2013). "James B. Duke: Less Frugal Than the Vanderbilts or Astors". Curbed NY. - ALT4:
... that New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) was modeled after a French chateau and designed by an architect who didn't have a formal architectural education?Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times - ALT5:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured), modeled after a French chateau, had no formal architectural education and delegated the design to an African American? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
- ALT6:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) had no formal architectural education and delegated the design to African American architect Julian Abele? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
- ALT7:... that one of African American architect Julian Abele's early works was the James B. Duke House (pictured), whose official architect had no formal architectural education? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
- ALT8:... that African American architect Julian Abele designed New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) since its official architect had no formal architectural education? Source: Gray, Christopher (January 23, 1994). "Streetscapes/The Duke Chateau; A Grand, Sophisticated 1912 House Crumbling Away". The New York Times
- ALT1:
5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 15:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC).
- Interesting house with a history, Good article on a wealth of sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, and almost a must. - Sorry, I don't care much about the heiress, nor the use by the university. Btw, why is that use under "Design"? I like the name of a subject unpiped, and my current favourite is ALT4, but could you also mention that an African American architect did the real work? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. I've added a few hooks that are similar to ALT4 but mention Abele's role. NYU is mentioned in the Design section since this sentence is just summarizing the current occupant. Several sentences in the design section mention the university as well. Epicgenius (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for ALTs 5 to 8! I like 5 best, but think we need "details" as mentioned in the article, and that Abele deserves at least a piped link. What do you think of this:
- ALT5a:
... that the architect of the James B. Duke House (pictured) in New York City, modeled after a French chateau, had no formal architectural education and delegated details of the design to an African American?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)- @Gerda Arendt: Sorry, I did not see this earlier for some reason. To me, 5a seems quite long, even though it's interesting. Maybe we can condense it a little further, like ALT5b:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) had no formal architectural education and delegated design details to an African American? Epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, on further thought, I feel like mentioning the house is designed by an African American and inspired by a French chateau is unnecessarily wordy, especially if this runs with the image. So I suggest we should leave it out. Epicgenius (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- If the image is taken, you and I would see it's after a French chateau, but I doubt for many of our readers. But the nominator's wish is my command:
- ALT5b: ... that the architect of the James B. Duke House (pictured) in New York City had no formal architectural education and delegated details of the design to an African American? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, on further thought, I feel like mentioning the house is designed by an African American and inspired by a French chateau is unnecessarily wordy, especially if this runs with the image. So I suggest we should leave it out. Epicgenius (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Sorry, I did not see this earlier for some reason. To me, 5a seems quite long, even though it's interesting. Maybe we can condense it a little further, like ALT5b:... that the architect of New York City's James B. Duke House (pictured) had no formal architectural education and delegated design details to an African American? Epicgenius (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. I've added a few hooks that are similar to ALT4 but mention Abele's role. NYU is mentioned in the Design section since this sentence is just summarizing the current occupant. Several sentences in the design section mention the university as well. Epicgenius (talk) 19:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Waeapo River
- ... that thousands of political prisoners in Indonesia were interned in the Waeapo River valley in Buru? Source: [22]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tomorrow Belongs to Me
- Comment: I would link an article about the Indonesian mass killings of 1965–66, but these are the political prisoners interned 4-6 years after the killings. Don't seem to see the Buru exiles being mentioned there.
Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 06:14, 30 July 2021 (UTC).
- Don't see the hook fact in the article (no mention of "10,000", only "thousands of political prisoners were incarcerated in Buru..."). Source is inaccessible to me, so which one is it? Also awaiting QPQ. Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kingoflettuce: Let's play it safe and go with "thousands". QPQ has been added. Juxlos (talk) 03:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 31
Fred Marples
- ... that Fred Marples ran on a relay team that won the Canadian Track and Field Championships and was undefeated in its first fifteen races? [23]
- ALT1:...
that Fred Marples helped soldiers play hockey? - ALT2:...
that Fred Marples helped assemble the largest Canadian Olympic team to date?
- Reviewed: Roxham Road
Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 18:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC).
- I have struck ALT2 since the 1924 Canadian Olympic delegation was the second largest team to date, not the largest. I will propose some reworded versions of ALT1. Flibirigit (talk) 13:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT3:... that Fred Marples felt it was the duty of all Canadians to ensure the strongest possible national team at the Olympics? [24]
- ALT4:... that ice hockey executive Fred Marples officiated track and field events at the Summer Olympics and British Empire Games? [25]
I have proposed new hooks above. I tried to think of something hooky about World War I and hockey, but nothing came to me. A full review is needed. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 1
Aisha de Sequeira
- ... that Aisha de Sequeira founded Morgan Stanley's Indian investment bank during the 2007 financial crisis, and it was called "the top bank" two years later? Source: [26]
- ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
Moved to mainspace by Joofjoof (talk). Self-nominated at 10:12, 7 August 2021 (UTC).
- Its long enough, well referenced and new(ish) enough. QPQ done (and sadly no image as role-models should be seen). No sign of close paraphrasing. Hook is interesting and it has a reliable ref. I have added quote marks to the hook as it is said in the ref claim but not sure that one opinion makes it THE "top bank". I suspect the Bank of India that organises the country's interest rates etc might disagree. However, Nice work and a great (last minute) addition to the Women in Red Financial editathon. Victuallers (talk) 14:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Joofjoof: Returning to the nominations page because the rather imprecise hook facts are cited to an alumni lecture given by de Sequeira herself. New hook needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:29, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Gavrilița Cabinet
- ... that after appointing Gavrilița Cabinet, Moldova became the second republic in the world where the head of state and the head of government are women? Source: list on Wikipedia, EUobserver
- ALT1:... that after appointing Gavrilița Cabinet, Moldova has both female head of state and head of government?
- Reviewed: not required yet
Created/expanded by Stalin990 (talk) and Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk). Nominated by Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk) at 19:46, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Cited: - Risky, see comment
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Overall: The article is new and long enough. Sourcing is OK, sample check from Romanian/Moldovan/whatever has not revealed any obvious plagiarism; the article seems to be balanced. As for the hook, the first version of the hook seems very risky: when you sort the table in Wikipedia by countries, it appears that Finland had a female PM and a female President in 2010-11 (and it is a republic), now so does Estonia, and, since a week or so, Moldova (there's one more thing: what are we going to do with Switzerland/San Marino, where a collective head of state/government is in place?) Therefore, I can either agree on ALT1, as it is cited, or a slightly changed version of ALT0:
- ALT0a:... that after appointing Gavrilița Cabinet, Moldova is currently one of only two countries in the world (the other being Estonia) where the non-collective head of state and the head of government are both women? (changes in italics)
That is when it comes to the DYK review, which you basically passed in all but hook choice (remember to start doing DYK reviews, though, because you've now used up all your "free" QPQ credits, this is 5th). I'd note, however, that since the event is recent, I think you could (have) ask(ed) for review at the In the news section, which would appear for longer and probably attract more attention (not that I propose to do that just now, because after 3-4 days, the event might be considered already not news). Remember, though, that that would probably require some more work on the Gavrilița Cabinet article or the list, which has a "Multiple issues" template, and AFAIK a DYK item and an ITN item on the same topic can't really appear. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! For your review and your comment as well. I agree with your ALT suggestion, because, although it was not my intention, the first version of the hook might be misread. Perhaps ALT0a is better. I tried to nominate this fact here (without empathising the feminist aspect, I have no idea how InTheNews project works) - Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed)_Prime_Minister_of_Moldova, but failed --Andrei (talk) 10:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Andrew J.Kurbiko, I got you, in that case, I'll shorten the the ALT0a to make it under 200 characters. Confirm (200 characters exactly):
- ALT0a-final:... that after appointing Gavrilița Cabinet, Moldova, besides Estonia, is now the only republic in the world where the non-collective head of state and head of government positions are both held by women?
- (Comment. Just noticed that NZ has both a female PM and a Gov. General (and Queen Elizabeth II, of course, unless you watch Polish state media and don't read the errata :), so I reverted the version back to republics).
- I do encourage to read the general criteria, events presumed to be automatically notable and rules for inclusion of deaths on the In the news project. In this particular case, I didn't know that the election was posted, but otherwise it would have probably merited a place there. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Quine–Putnam indispensability argument
- ... that some philosophers of mathematics think that the life cycle of a species of cicadas is a good argument for the existence of numbers?
Source: "According to this line of thought, we ought to believe in electrons, say, not because they are indispensable to our best scientific theories but because they are indispensable in a very specific way: they are explanatorily indispensable. If mathematics could be shown to contribute to scientific explanations in this way, mathematical realism would again be on par with scientific realism [...] Prime-numbered life cycles mean that the Magicicadas avoid competition, potential predators, and hybridisation. The idea is quite simple: because prime numbers have no non-trivial factors, there are very few other life cycles that can be synchronised with a prime-numbered life cycle. The Magicicadas thus have an effective avoidance strategy that, under certain conditions, will be selected for. While the explanation being advanced involves biology (e.g. evolutionary theory, theories of competition and predation), a crucial part of the explanation comes from number theory, namely, the fundamental fact about prime numbers. Baker (2005) argues that this is a genuinely mathematical explanation of a biological fact." [27]- ALT1:... that some philosophers of mathematics think that the Quine–Putnam indispensability argument is the only good argument for the existence of numbers? Source: [28]
- ALT2:... that Alan Baker's version of the Quine–Putnam indispensability argument uses the life cycle of cicadas to argue for the existence of numbers?
- Reviewed: not required yet
- Comment: Added ALT2, a more serious wording as an alternative to the main hook proposal. Alduin2000 (talk) 00:09, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Converted from a redirect by Alduin2000 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:33, 1 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 2
Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren
... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a hymn paraphrasing Psalm 118, first in French with the melody, then in German by Ambrosius Lobwasser, and finished in 1951?Source: [29]
- Reviewed: Miguelina Acosta Cárdenas
- Comment: thinking of Yoninah
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 9 August 2021 (UTC).
- The article needs significant copy-editing (as does the hook). There isn't any other major issue as far as sourcing, content or eligibility are concerned. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I tried, please check again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hook reworded:
- ALT1: ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a hymn paraphrasing Psalm 118 in German, derived by Ambrosius Lobwasser from the French Genevan Psalter, keeping its melody, and tightened in 1951?
- I wonder if the hook could be tightened up by removing some of the descriptive details that aren't all that hooky. Maybe:
- ALT2: ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a 16th century German hymn that was tightened in the 20th century to be used in a hymnal of the Swiss Reformed Church? 20:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the offer, but without mentioning Psalm 118, the hook is pointless (to me at least), because all these people making efforts were concerned about it. - The focus on one church seems not the right thing to say about this song which is beloved in many denominations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that "Nun saget Dank und lobt den Herren" is a 16th century German hymn that was tightened in the 20th century to be used in a hymnal of the Swiss Reformed Church? 20:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I wonder if the hook could be tightened up by removing some of the descriptive details that aren't all that hooky. Maybe:
- The article needs significant copy-editing (as does the hook). There isn't any other major issue as far as sourcing, content or eligibility are concerned. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
DOMELRE
- ... that DOMELRE (pictured), an American invention from 1913, was the first domestic electrical refrigerator? Source: https://www.ashrae.org/about/mission-and-vision/ashrae-industry-history/domelre-first-electric-refrigerator and others linked
- ALT1: ... that DOMELRE (pictured), the first domestic electrical refrigerator from 1913, was also the first to offer an ice cube tray? Source: https://www.ashrae.org/about/mission-and-vision/ashrae-industry-history/domelre-first-electric-refrigerator and one more source in the article --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:58, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ink wash painting
- Comment: Two other pd images available if the chosen one doesn't render well as a DYK thumb.
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC).
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - I think the source doesn't say that strictly. It does say that
The DOMELRE was the first successful, mass marketed package automatic electric refrigeration unit
and says what DOMELRE stands for, but it doesn't say that this model was "the first domestic electric refrigerator" or something to that tune. That said, this claim seems to appear for instance here, so please include the source in the text. - Interesting:
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Overall: The article is new and long enough to proceed to the DYK main page list. The sourcing, apart from the claim that it is the first domestic refrigerator ever produced (which is easily fixable, as mentioned above), is adequate. No plagiarism or neutrality issues detected. Hook is very interesting, it's just the source that doesn't quite say the thing presented in the hook, but again I was able to confirm it in other sources. Picture is good to go; QPQ check positive. Overall, the only problem is the "first domestic fridge ever" claim, but there are sources saying that, so when this small issue is solved (and that should literally take less than a minute), the article will pass the review. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but please look at [30] again if you please - it says it was the "first electric refrigerator" clearly (in the title/heading). Domestic is an uncontroversial qualification supported by many other sources (ex. [31] and [32], both already cited). Regarding [33], I am not sure what it says that other cited sources don't, and I'd also caution against using it since it comes from a commercial company, so it is not academic and possibly promotional (not that I expect they are wrong about DOMELRE, but in general it is not best practice to use such pages as a source unless we really don't have better sources - but here, we do). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- My point was that that particular source you pointed to did not say "domestic", and I just wanted to make sure that either you have other sources already quoted to support that, or that you could find some other ones not yet mentioned in the article (the best my cursory Google search yielded was that company's webpage). Since you do have these, I now have no problems to say the nomination Passed for me.
- PS. IMHO it would have been better to cite the Food Engineering Reviews paper in the first place (or actually any other source which says "household refrigerator"), because it says that unambiguosly and is an even better source than a statement on a professional society's webpage; and to be sincere, I was only looking as ASHRAE webpage to confirm that claim and not the article's sources. Anyway, good job. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:17, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, if you wish to pass this nomination, you have to use the proper tick icon (the recognized DYK icons and their codes are above the edit window) or the bot does not recognize that the review has been completed successfully. The icon should be placed at the beginning of your comment so it can easily be found. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- My bad, I've fixed it. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, if you wish to pass this nomination, you have to use the proper tick icon (the recognized DYK icons and their codes are above the edit window) or the bot does not recognize that the review has been completed successfully. The icon should be placed at the beginning of your comment so it can easily be found. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, Apologies if I misunderstood your argument, but please look at [30] again if you please - it says it was the "first electric refrigerator" clearly (in the title/heading). Domestic is an uncontroversial qualification supported by many other sources (ex. [31] and [32], both already cited). Regarding [33], I am not sure what it says that other cited sources don't, and I'd also caution against using it since it comes from a commercial company, so it is not academic and possibly promotional (not that I expect they are wrong about DOMELRE, but in general it is not best practice to use such pages as a source unless we really don't have better sources - but here, we do). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:21, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 3
Vitaly Shishov
- ... that before his death, Belarusian activist Vitaly Shishov was the head of the Belarusian House in Ukraine, an organization which helps people escape repression in Belarus following the 2020–2021 Belarusian protests? Source: " Mr. Shishov was the director of the Belarusian House in Ukraine, an organization that helped people trying to escape repression in Belarus" New York Times
- Reviewed: One of first five DYK I have nominated
Created by Thriley (talk), Ooligan (talk), and Naareman (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 04:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC).
Balloon popping
- ... that limonene, a compound found in orange peels, can cause balloon popping based on the "like dissolve like" principle? Source: "Like limonene, rubber is a hydrocarbon (Figure 2), so it’s non-polar as well. It is well known by chemists that non-polar substances dissolve well in other non-polar substances (we like to say that “like dissolves like”)." ([1])
- ALT1:... that limonene, a compound found in orange peels, can't cause balloon popping if there is some twist process to the rubber called vulcanization? Source: "When a balloon made of vulcanized rubber is squirted with limonene or an orange peel, it doesn’t break." ([1])
- Comment: It is interesting that the balloon pop because of the "like dissolve like" principle, some people think about citrus and will only think about acid.
- Reviewed:Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Luca_Comai
Created/expanded by Teetee taw (talk) and Taweetham (talk). Nominated by U6181299 (talk) at 09:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC).
References
- ^ a b Kuntzleman, T. (24 Mar 2015). "How Does an Orange Peel Pop a Balloon? Chemistry, of Course!".
Articles created/expanded on August 4
John Gray (nightwatchman)
- ... that the owner of Greyfriars Bobby was a nightwatchman called John Gray?
- ALT1:... that John Gray was the owner of Greyfriars Bobby?
- ALT2:... that despite being portrayed as a shepherd in the 1912 novel Greyfriars Bobby and subsequent movie adaptations, that John Gray actually worked for the Edinburgh City Police as a nightwatchman?
Created by Sahaib3005 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
- DYK does not feature stubs. Please have a read of the rules, in particular #2 (Long enough) under eligibility criteria. Schwede66 21:38, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Schwede66:, It has over 1,500 characters, so that means it should be allowed.Sahaib3005 (talk) 06:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- You really need to read the rules a bit more carefully. What counts for Wikipedia is "prose" and as the rules explain, that excludes a lot of things: "(ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc.)". I have one of those tools mentioned on that page installed and it tells me that prose size is 1112 B, i.e. you are way short of the minimum. That said, if you expand the article now that you know that it's too short, most editors at DYK would say that's ok (although technically you need to achieve the minimum length within seven days of the article being in mainspace). Up to you. Schwede66 08:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have concerns about the notability of this article. The notability relates entirely to Greyfriars Bobby, and so relevant information should probably go into that page (WP:NOPAGE). CMD (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, I haven't even read the article yet. Therefore, I can't comment on notability. Schwede66 09:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- The DYKcheck tool also shows 1112 bytes, well short of the required 1500. That said, if the "In popular culture" section was changed from a list to prose, I think that would get the article to 1500, or at least very close (since lists are excluded from the count). Rlendog (talk) 20:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Rlendog: I prosified the section–it meets the length requirement now. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Now that I have read the article and looked at the sources, I agree with CMD that a merger is the best way forward. I suggest that for the time being, we park this nomination. If the community discussion determines that Gray is independently notable, we can pick the review process up again. Schwede66 03:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Both the "Must See Scotland" and "Scotland Welcomes You" sites are self-published, as best I can determine, and therefore cannot be considered reliable. There seems to be little enough in the way of verifiable information about John Gray himself; the bulk of what's here is about the legend of the dog, and a merge with the dog's article seems in order. (The icon used and the hold on the nomination while the merger is being discussed is the standard way to handle proposed merges here at DYK.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Kazimierz Kowalski
- ... that when bass singer Kazimierz Kowalski was general director of the Grand Theatre in Łódź, Moniuszko's The Haunted Manor was broadcast worldwide? Source: [34]
- Reviewed: James B. Duke House
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC).
- I'm not thrilled with that sentence structure. How about, ALT1: ... that as general director of the Grand Theatre in Łódź, bass singer Kazimierz Kowalski led a worldwide television broadcast of Moniuszko's The Haunted Manor?
- Aside from that: Length is fine even when we omit that obituary quote. QPQ is done. Article age is fine. Hookiness is... reasonably hooky, I've seen worse (if I was more clear about what he meant by "96% attendance" in the Nolbrzak interview, I'd suggest adding it to the article and using that instead). Sources seem reliable (although I had to do some rearranging). I'm also not completely happy with what Google Translate gives for bydgoszcz.tvp.pl, but I'll assume Gerda is competent enough with Polish to make an accurate translation. No copyvio or plagiarism @Gerda Arendt:, if you're okay with ALT1? DS (talk) 04:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the good review! The sentence is better but I was a bit unsure what "led" - from the English source - actually meant, that he made it possible, or additionally that he directed the opera. I avoided it to not lead the readers to the same ambiguity. As I know no Polish I have to rely on translation programs. Any help welcome. Piotrus? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- ps: he was first a bass, then also director, - that's not easy to get from ALT1, so: could that also be helped? English not being my first language, I'm really grateful for wording help, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Cu hulu
- ... that the Ming dynasty novella The Jealous Wife was written by the "Bishop of the Women-Taming Sect"?
Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:00, 5 August 2021 (UTC).
- Doing... --Gazal world (talk) 09:50, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
- Reviewer hasn't finished in 11 days, I'll take this review.
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- Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
- Interesting:
- Other problems: Ming dynasty novella Cu hulu was written under a pseudonym that might translate to "Master of the Doctrine of Subduing Women"? - I'd leave the title untranslated; also, I'd use a different, more hooky translation (Master of the Doctrine of Subduing Women), and a note that it is a translation. As an ALT1: That
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Overall: Open to workshopping the hook–there are other alts we can use. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 00:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- oops, i have to ping people? @Kingoflettuce: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- seems less "fun" if we included the "under a pseudonym that might translate..." bit, and the translation has a nicer ring than the original title. But I think it's your call as the reviewer! Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- see also Template:Did you know nominations/Bian er chai Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- seems less "fun" if we included the "under a pseudonym that might translate..." bit, and the translation has a nicer ring than the original title. But I think it's your call as the reviewer! Cheers, Kingoflettuce (talk) 07:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 5
Paul Armin Edelmann
- ... that Paul Armin Edelmann (pictured) appeared in the title role of Mozart's Don Giovanni at the Opera Ireland in 2009, while his brother Peter took the role of Leporello? Source: [35]
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Created by LouisAlain (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 21:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Nice article! It just needs a citation for the Television appearances paragraph, and the QPQ. Storye book (talk) 10:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, please have a bit of patience, I am busy in real life, and then two people recent death need article care ... - but perhaps Grimes2 can help sooner. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done Grimes2 (talk) 10:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. Just the QPQ left now. Cheers. Storye book (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ Gerda Arendt. Just letting you know that I will not be regularly on WP for the next week or two, but will acknowledge your QPQ (when done) when possible. Thank you for your patience. Storye book (talk) 17:52, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Storye book, I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Johannes Schott. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Done Grimes2 (talk) 10:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Brijmohan Lall Munjal
- ... that Padma Bhushan award recipient Brijmohan Lall Munjal (pictured), who was a migrant from Pakistan to India, founded Hero MotoCorp?
Created by Batamore (talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 7 August 2021 (UTC).
- Reviewing. DTM (talk) 01:48, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- The article was shifted from draftspace to mainspace on 30 July 2021. It was self-nominated on 7 August 2021. This is past the 7 day cut-off criteria. It is long enough, however the intro could do with some expansion.
- Citations need formatting:
- Scroll.in citation missing date
- Please use single label such as "Authors list" or "Agency" for PTI
- TOI citation needs formatting
- NDTV citations are missing date labels
- India.com citation needs formatting, first name/last name labels and "India News, Breaking News" can be removed
- Last Forbes cite needs author and date labels
- The image licensing is alright. The hook could be made more interesting. However as this article doesn't meet the 7 day criteria, nor the 5X expansion criteria. I guess this should be closed here. Batamore, Titodutta— tagging nominator and a contributor to see what they have to say. DTM (talk) 02:33, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- DTM, the nominator was, as best I can determine, only a day late with their nomination (seven days from July 30 would have been August 6), and we typically allow a few days flex in the lateness criterion with a first-time nominator. (Quite a few experienced nominators are forgiven for being a day late.) The article will need further work, as some of the sources do not back up the article's statements. I've done some editing, but I don't know enough about Munjal to do a thorough job; perhaps Titodutta can help clarify the various points and fix anything that I may have misunderstood. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @BlueMoonset and DiplomatTesterMan: I second BlueMoonset. A day late, especially given the "not exactly" rule, shouldn't sink the nomination. See if the nominator is willing to make the necessary adjustments within a reasonable amount of time–if not, then reject the hook. I'd say not yet. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:18, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 6
Clara Leiser
- ... that American journalist and writer Clara Leiser (c. 1898 – 1991) traveled frequently to Nazi Germany and documented the plight of the families of political prisoners? Source: [36]
Created by Drmies (talk), Grimes2 (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 22:56, 8 August 2021 (UTC).
- Thank you for including me before I even added, Drmies. The mentioning of life data is unusual for DYK. We might get more specific with a hook about the fate of Mildred Harnack, or Hilde Koch, or the interview with a prison director, but up to you.
- ALT0a: ... that American journalist and activist Clara Leiser traveled to Nazi Germany frequently, and documented the plight of families of political prisoners?
- "Nazi" gives extra clicks, 1000 when mentioned at the end, 2000 when mentioned early. Sad if you think of it. - Thank you also for help with the new user who finds DYK in general a "tragic" "perversion" of their intention to promote new knowledge, - not without irony, that view. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Clara Leiser wrote the poem "To and from the guillotine", when she heard from the execution of her friend Mildred Harnack by the Nazis? Grimes2 (talk) 10:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- In this case - with Clara Leiser reading like a German name - I think we should "American" somehow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2a: ... that American journalist and activist Clara Leiser wrote the poem "To and from the guillotine", when she heard from the execution of her friend Mildred Harnack by the Nazis? Grimes2 (talk) 10:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine with ALT0a, thanks. Drmies (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Her friend's article is tag-bombed. Can they go, now that you two improved? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- That's up to Scope creep. I don't know about the copy edits, but the lead is indeed a bit short. Drmies (talk) 17:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Drmies:@Grimes2:,@Gerda Arendt: That is really cool you have created a Clara Leiser article. I was hoping somebody would have done it. I also was hoping somebody would have a done a copyedit and better lede on Mildred Harnack. If somebody can do a lede and do a copyedit.. I'll do a lede in the next couple of hours. scope_creepTalk 17:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Copyedit can do WP:GOCE/REQ, but that takes a month. Grimes2 (talk) 17:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I have left a request at user:Tenryuu. Tenryuu is an excellent copyeditor who has worked on several of the larger of Red Orchestra articles. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 13:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- Copyedit can do WP:GOCE/REQ, but that takes a month. Grimes2 (talk) 17:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Drmies:@Grimes2:,@Gerda Arendt: That is really cool you have created a Clara Leiser article. I was hoping somebody would have done it. I also was hoping somebody would have a done a copyedit and better lede on Mildred Harnack. If somebody can do a lede and do a copyedit.. I'll do a lede in the next couple of hours. scope_creepTalk 17:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- That's up to Scope creep. I don't know about the copy edits, but the lead is indeed a bit short. Drmies (talk) 17:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- Her friend's article is tag-bombed. Can they go, now that you two improved? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Clara Leiser wrote the poem "To and from the guillotine", when she heard from the execution of her friend Mildred Harnack by the Nazis? Grimes2 (talk) 10:23, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Samuel Powel Griffitts
- ... that Benjamin Rush advised Samuel Powel Griffitts, as part of his European medical training, to take three months of dancing lessons? Source: "Whitfield J. Bell, 1943, page 6 "Rush recommended that .. Griffitts attend lectures on natural philosophy as well as on medical subjects...and spend an hour daily for three months on dancing lessons."
- ALT1:... that Philadelphia physician Samuel Powel Griffitts (1759–1826) was the nephew of Philadelphia mayor Samuel Powel (1738–1793)? Source:Whitfield J. Bell, 1997, page 268 "Three weeks later, Powel himself was down with the [yellow] fever...his nephew Samuel Powel Griffitts, now a doctor, stayed with him night and day, but his case was fatal and at six o'clock in the morning of 29 September [1793] he died"
- Reviewed: Granny (sea anenome)
Created by MAHosieAPS (talk) and HouseOfChange (talk). Nominated by HouseOfChange (talk) at 19:27, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
- Article was created in Mainspace on June 8. Granted, it was moved to drafts for cleanup nearly two months later. The article has not been expanded by 5x since then, only about 2.5x. I don't think this meets newness if you look at either original publication date or expansion. BuySomeApples (talk) 00:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- BuySomeApples, The article that was moved to draftspace was about 2,200 bytes.[37], with multiple errors of fact (which have now been corrected), no claim of notability, and only one reference. The article moved to mainspace on August 6 is essentially a new article. Please compare the two articles and reconsider its eligibility. HouseOfChange (talk) 03:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Given the fact the article was completely WP:TNTed and rewritten within the draft space, and then moved back, and then renominated within seven days of the move, I think we should give leeway to the OP. Even if we weren't to do that, this would still pass under the "not exactly" rule–we don't have to strictly enforce the seven days rule if the creation/expansion date was after the oldest current nomination (currently May 17). But come on, this article really only has a connection in the narrowest possible sense. It's basically a new article. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Theleekycauldron for agreeing that this interesting article should be eligible for DYK. How do I ask for a second review? Or is it permanently torpedoed from DYK unless BuySomeApples agrees with your assessment? HouseOfChange (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @HouseOfChange: I'd say that you should give BuySomeApples some time to respond—if they don't respond, or refuse to budge, you should request a second review then. You can do this with by using the symbol encoded with
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.- @HouseOfChange: Sorry for not replying as soon as you commented, but I had to sleep and do some stuff before checking on this. A rejection doesn't "permanently torpedo" the nom's chances. I'll let someone else do a second review on this one since it was significantly improved before being moved back out of drafts. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:45, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @HouseOfChange: I'd say that you should give BuySomeApples some time to respond—if they don't respond, or refuse to budge, you should request a second review then. You can do this with by using the symbol encoded with
- Thank you, Theleekycauldron for agreeing that this interesting article should be eligible for DYK. How do I ask for a second review? Or is it permanently torpedoed from DYK unless BuySomeApples agrees with your assessment? HouseOfChange (talk) 16:28, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
@BuySomeApples: Thanks for your reply and for kindly asking for another review. Yes, it was significantly improved before being moved back out of drafts
and I am the person who was improving it there, correcting many errors and adding more than 4,000 bytes of text and footnotes. On August 6, to my surprise, another editor moved the article from draft to mainspace. I continued to improve it. I don't think my having done substantial work to improve the article while it was in draftspace should disqualify it from DYK. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Political prisoners in Poland
- ... that political prisoners in Poland came into existence during the 19th-century era of Russian Partition of Poland? Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/i-felt-a-kind-of-pleasure-in-seeing-them-treat-us-brutally-the-emergence-of-the-political-prisoner-18651910/0EF9733DD65CFB2D0C7FADC1D46F992D
- ALT1:... that starting from the era of Russian Poland, political prisoners in Poland had their own culture, traditions and privileges? Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/i-felt-a-kind-of-pleasure-in-seeing-them-treat-us-brutally-the-emergence-of-the-political-prisoner-18651910/0EF9733DD65CFB2D0C7FADC1D46F992D
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 06:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is very focused on Poland during the People's Republic period, which causes an imbalance in the article, and major challenges for the coverage of the other periods this article presents. The other period that is given more than three sentences is the late 19th century, but only the Russian part of the country. There is clearly an anti-russian POV in this article. To fix this, the pre-1861 period needs to be included, as well as the political prisoners in Austro-hungarian and German Poland, regions that are outside the scope the article used to discuss the late 19th century. Mottezen (talk) 08:58, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mottezen, Thank you for the review. Balance in coverage is not required for a DYK (that's a GA-level problem). I agree that it would be good to expand this more, but I didn't see sources discussing pere-1861 period, nor anything about political prisoners under German and Austrian partitions. And I don't see any anti-Russian POV? If there are some non-neutral wordings, please point them out and we can consider refactoring them. PS. I expanded on the interwar prisoners, this is discussed in the Polish literature a bit, but I am not seeing much about the German/Austrian ones (PPS. I did add a bit on the German partition too), at least not yet. I plan on improving this article over in th future, but please note this is not required for a DYK. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:30, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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- The first hook is using the term "political prisoner" as defined by the source's author; as a prisoner that "imposes his or her politics onto the prison and uses the institution as an instrument of political activity". This is not the same as the commonly-used definition of political prisoner, which is something the likes of "individuals incarcerated for beliefs or actions against the state or a comparable authority", as the author puts it (but he call it an "imprisoned political"). The author redefines these terms so they fit into his thesis that political prisoners are actually a new phenomenon from the 19th century, which is essentially what this hook is stating. It's a pretty neat and interesting argument when you read that article, but using these terms as the author re-defined them here on Wikipedia will just confuse readers, and so we should avoid this hook.
- Aside from not being cited in the article, the second hook is also misleading in that it implies a continuity of political prisoner culture throughout polish history that started in the late 1800s, although that is unsupported by the source. Mottezen (talk) 07:50, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mottezen, All sources read and cited seem to support both hooks, i.e. the (rough) continuity of the culture and traditions of political prisoners in Poland, from 19th century till the end of the communist era. I am afraid I don't understand the problem you are seeing? The sources used are reliable, and talk about political prisoners and the continuity of traditions. It is not our place to dispute this, unless you think the sources are not reliable? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- In fairness to Piotrus and from what my admittedly non-expert but what I reckon to be pretty adequate knowledge of the history of Poland, while there might have been some political prisoners in the Austrian and Prussian/German partitions, it is the Russian one that became the most (in)famous for them, or at least their prisoners were the most numerous/the most prominent. The institution of katorga or Siberian exile did not AFAIK have their analogues (or, even if they had, were not used as extensively) in either Austria/Austro-Hungary or Prussia/Germany (particularly as the Austrian partition by late 19th century was a rather family-friendly place for Poles when it comes to cultural and political freedoms). So at least as regards this alleged anti-Russian stance, I'd personally ask to examine further any information on Prussian/Austrian political prisoners and include it if this is notable enough (and state that the scale was not as large), but whether that creates as large an imbalance as suggested is not clear for me.
- I will agree, though, that the interwar Poland's political prisoners are given too little attention in the article (Brest trials and Bereza Kartuska must be elaborated on for sure); however, I'm not really sure if the article's incompleteness alone is a sufficient reason to decline a nomination (POV is one, though). I also largely concur with the assessment of the hooks as presented. I believe, however, that explicit recognition of the category of "political offender" or "political prisoner" in Russian legal acts and internal instructions of Russian Empire's prisons, or their different treatment, could merit a DYK mention, as this is IMHO fairly interesting, especially if Russian Empire was the first country to actually formally codify it. Personally I'd give some time to fix the issues as outlined by Mottezen and me instead of flatly refusing to pass the article.
- Note to Mottezen: "sourced" criterion applies to the sourcing of the article as a whole (with which I personally see no issues as it stands now); if there is a problem with the source supporting the hook, use "hookcited". Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki Thank you for your comments and for the tip. I admit that I am not an expert on polish history either. This was my first DYKR and I recognize I could have made a mistake.
- My objection to the first hook also concerns the rest of the article because this same statement is repeated in the two first sentences of the article: "Political prisoners in Poland and Polish territories (under administration of other states) have existed throughout much of the 19th and 20th centuries." and "In Poland, the concept and even traditions of political prisoners emerged around the second half of the 19th century in the Russian partition in the era of partitions of Poland." In my reading of the source, this statement in at best very misleading, and at worse outright false.
- This is because the author, Padraic Kenney, doesn't use the common definition of the "political prisoner" in his text. Kenney creates a new definition of "political prisoners": an organized political unit with agency that leverages its status of prisoners as praxis. However, we are used to think of political prisoners as victims who have been imprisoned because of their views, and so their ability to do politics have been every restricted. The rest of the "Political prisoners in Poland" article uses this definition, and so do the rest of its sources. Kenney acknowledges this, and calls these people "imprisoned politicals". He says that "The history of incarceration of individuals for beliefs or actions against the state or a comparable authority stretches well before the period explored here." As such, political prisoners existed in Poland well before 1861, when a "political offender" was recognized by Russian authorities.
- Additionally, Kenney never makes the claim of the first hook in his text. Kenney tries to show that the experience of political prisoners from 1865 to 1910 was fundamentally different than those of periods that came before, so much so that we shouldn't even use the term "political prisoners" to describe the experiences of the "imprisoned politicals" before the late 19th century. For this, he uses two examples: Ireland and Russian Poland. Therefore, when Kenney says that political prisoners (as a political unit) emerged in the second half of the 19th century, he is not saying that this phenomenon didn't exist in other parts of Poland before that. His article just doesn't cover other parts of Poland. And indeed, I'd argue they did exist before that, and that they played an important part in the Greater Poland uprising (1848). This is using Kenney's definition, mind you. So maybe it is ok to focus more on Russian Poland in this article than the others partitioned part due to the scale of the phenomenon, but this is not my point.
- Now for the POV problem. Reading Kenney's article, I think its impossible to come to the conclusion that "that political prisoners in Poland came into existence during the 19th-century era of Russian Partition of Poland", as the hook claims, without a distinctively anti-Russia POV. Right now, the article says that repressive policies such as political imprisonment was introduced into Poland by the Russian occupation, and then made worse in the People's Republic period when Poland was politically dominated by the Soviet Union. This is textbook polish nationalism. It's not just the unbalance that's the problem. It's
that the imbalance is caused by anti-russian assumptions that leads Piotrus to includea false statement that is unsupported by the source at the beginning of the article, and in the first hook (the only valid hook presented per the basic DYK guidelines). Mottezen (talk) 00:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- I largely agree with the reasoning you provide here, including with Kenney's creation of "imprisoned politicals" category, whom we would normally name "political prisoners" (a somewhat idiosyncratic substitution IMHO). I also agree that the source does not support the hook - it simply states there existed such a phenomenon but not that the Russian Empire was the first, or the only one, to do that; the reason I've included the sort of rebuttal is that I can understand the reasons why the German/Austrian political prisoners aren't in the article, as there are probably not that much sources that elaborate on the issue (I would have to independently research the problem to evaluate the exact scale, but I don't believe the issue to have been non-existent in other partitions).
- Re anti-Russian bias: I will agree with the notion that the article as is portrays the history of political prisoners is misguided, at the very least due to a glaring omission of the political prisoners in the Sanation years, and it might create the impression you describe in your argument, so the POV worries, at least from my standpoint, seem quite legitimate. But I don't believe it was done due to some anti-Russian sentiment on behalf of Piotrus; employing Hanlon's razor, I would attribute the irrelevant citation to a simple misreading or over-stretching the content of the source (and please don't make such outright accusations of Russophobia, as they could potentially lead to a quarrel on Wikipedia, of which there's more than enough). That said, the omission of the 1930s is much harder to understand for me.
- As a final note, let's wait until the issues are addressed or reasonably argued to be irrelevant. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, As I said above, I didn't see any sources for the interwar period. I would be very happy if someone were to point me to one or better, expand the article further. As I said above, I fully agree there are many missing aspects, I am just not sure if the sources about them even exist. And I'd also like to remind people that DYKs are not required to be comprehensive (quick reminder: Wikipedia:Did you know/Onepage: DYKs only require "at least 1,500 characters of prose", neutrality, citations, and not being an obvious work-in-progress (empty headers, etc.). In other words (I had written probably 2k DYKs and reviewed at least as many), most DYKs are start-class or C-class.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- While the articles nominated here are start- or C-class (including one I've reviewed), my point here is shared with the reviewer that the lack of the period when Poland was truly independent and its political prisoners might create what one could see as unnecessary slant.
- I'll provide some academic sources here (some might be in Polish); see links: [38], [39], Ukrainian scholarship, (access via shadow library), p. 425-; (sort of academic; hist-pop), [40]. You've also mentioned Machcewicz, who suggested continuity between the Tsarist and Interwar Poland's system - another source for that.
- And some non-academic sources: Polskie Radio, Rzeczpospolita
- As relates to the arrests during the Brest trials, referring to this as a "political process" (therefore making the convicted political prisoners): Rzeczpospolita, PWN, [41], (1932), (Myśl Polska)
- Other interwar political prisoners: p. 20-, (treat with a grain of salt), (in Ukrainian). Szmenderowiecki (talk) 03:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Szmenderowiecki, As I said above, I didn't see any sources for the interwar period. I would be very happy if someone were to point me to one or better, expand the article further. As I said above, I fully agree there are many missing aspects, I am just not sure if the sources about them even exist. And I'd also like to remind people that DYKs are not required to be comprehensive (quick reminder: Wikipedia:Did you know/Onepage: DYKs only require "at least 1,500 characters of prose", neutrality, citations, and not being an obvious work-in-progress (empty headers, etc.). In other words (I had written probably 2k DYKs and reviewed at least as many), most DYKs are start-class or C-class.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Mottezen: Your critique of Kenney is interesting but I think it does not belong on Wikipedia, as in - he is a reliable source, and he talks about political prisoners and notes that
My purpose is to embed the political prisoner firmly within the modern age, with origins in the half-century before World War I.
. So he clearly argues that political prisoners, in the modern sense, originated in mid-19th century, and one of the cases studied is that of the Polish political prisoners (under Russian partition). That he has a definition that may be a bit different from other scholars is not a major issue for us, he is a reliable source (and if you look at the political prisoner article, which I was recently expanding, you can see that the issue of defining this concept is quite contested). Also, regarding the culture and such, note that Machcewicz states the same:The sentenced were bound by the specific rules of inmate coexistence and methods of defending the political prisoners’ rights by their unincarcerated comrades. The rules had been worked out for decades, especially in the Russian Partition before 1914; the tradition was followed up in interwar Poland, particularly in the communist milieu
. So we have at least two reliable sources that make the same claim. If you think they are wrong, the correct venue is to (on Wikipedia) find scholars who clearly say something opposite or even better, say that Kenney or Machcewicz are wrong, or publish your own academic article saying so. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC) - Also, I will ask you, as Szmenderowiecki did, to remove or WP:REFACTOR claims like "the imbalance is caused by anti-russian assumptions that leads Piotrus to include a false statement". It violates WP:AGF and WP:NPA and could even be sanctionable, but with AGF in mind I am happy to assume you are new to Wikipedia and discussions in this context and did not realize that speculating about other editor motivations like this is a very, very bad form. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I expanded the article with some info on the German partition and interwar era prisoners. There is scope for more expansion, but please note DYKs don't have to be fully comprehensive. The article is over the DYK requirement of 1,500 characters of prose, and that's all we should care here. The expansion should also address the issues of 'lack of neutrality' and 'undue focus on the Russians', I hope? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- The changes have been implemented. I essentially agreed with Mottezen that omission of interwar Poland/other partitions may be reasonably seen as selective inclusion of info, and though the section about Communist Poland is a tad too large in comparison with the rest, I think that my concerns about neutrality have been addressed adequately for the purposes of DYK.
- Now, returning to the hooks: ALT1 seems not to be true based on the descriptions of living conditions and treatment of political prisoners incarcerated pre-Brześć/Brest trial or in Bereza Kartuska, which breaks the continuity suggested in the hook (see sources provided). ALT0 still doesn't seem to be supported by the source. While you've gone at lengths arguing Kenney is reliable (he is) and that the political prisoner as a class emerged in mid-19th century (I'll take his word), he still doesn't establish that temporal relation that says: yeah, the first (modern) political prisoners in Poland were incarcerated in Modlin/Warsaw Citadel/whatever, and that later it spread to
GermanyPrussia, because that's how I read the sentence. I might be overinterpreting the sentence. I would say that the category of "political prisoner" recognised officially is something less dubious and probably more interesting. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 04:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)- While the official recognition of political prisoners is indeed interesting, it is not unique to Poland or Russia. Indeed, this designation was widespread at the time. Quoting from Kenney:
As in France, Britain, and Germany, Russian jurisprudence found political crime a useful concept
. If I were to propose a hook myself, it would be: " ... that some political prisoners in Poland published a newspaper and organized strikes from prison?". It's mentioned by Kenney but it's not included in the article yet. Mottezen (talk) 07:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)- Mottezen, You are welcome to add that to the article, it's a collaborative effort anyway, and I would be fine with this as ALT2 hook. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:48, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- While the official recognition of political prisoners is indeed interesting, it is not unique to Poland or Russia. Indeed, this designation was widespread at the time. Quoting from Kenney:
- Comment: Here are some phrases from the Greater Poland uprising (1848) article with sourced statements about political prisoners (thus contradicting ALT0):
- "A first attempt to change the situation in the Duchy was made in the Greater Poland Uprising of 1846 after which 254 Polish activists were imprisoned upon charges of conspiracy. The trial ended on 2 December 1847, when 134 of the defendants were acquitted and returned to the Duchy. 8 defendants, including Ludwik Mierosławski, were sentenced to death, the rest to prison in the Berlin-Moabit prison. The death sentences were not carried out as Revolution in Prussia started and the Prussian king amnestied political prisoners as part of concessions to revolutionaries." Source: Makowski, Krzysztof (Fall 1999). "Poles, Germans And Jews In The Grand Duchy Of Poznan in 1848: From Coexistence To Conflict". East European Quarterly.
- "On 19 March 1848, after the Revolution in Berlin succeeded throughout the Spring of Nations, King Frederick William IV of Prussia amnestied the Polish prisoners, who joined the Berlin Home Guard in the evening of 20 March 1848 by founding a “Polish Legion” in the courtyard of the Berliner Schloss, and were armed with weapons from the Royal Prussian Arsenal. Ludwik Mierosławski waved the Black-Red-Gold flag of the German Revolution and the prisoners were celebrated by the public." Source: Edward S. Cayley, The European Revolution of 1848
- And a few other statements of prisoners of war
Mottezen (talk) 07:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Mottezen, Maybe I am tired, but I don't see how anything here contradicts ALT0. Anyway, if you'd like to propose ALT2 be my guest, I'll be happy to opine it then, but for now, can you remove the NPOV tags you added from the article since it was expanded and Szmendrowiecki thinks, sufficiently? And again, feel free to propose your own hooks, I am not super attached to the ones above. But I have no idea what you want me to do with the article/hooks; and again, it is expanded beyond what DYK requires. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 7
KNUE
- ... that when Texas radio station KNUE was sold to another station in 1982, the new owners added a second story to their newly constructed studios to accommodate the addition? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/83095755/knue-sold-to-ktbb-owner-broadcasters/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kulgoa
- Comment: This is the first DYK nom for Dma37dude and I am trying to assist him in growing as an editor, so give him a nice welcome!
5x expanded by Dma37dude (talk) and Sammi Brie (talk). Nominated by Sammi Brie (talk) at 06:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC).
- Article was expanded 5 times at the time of nomination. It is neutrally worded, more than 1,500 characters of prose, and uses inline citations. Earwig found no copyright violations or paraphrasing issues. A QPQ is not needed for Dma37dude as this is his first nomination; however, Sammi Brie is listed as one of the co-authors and I'm wondering if it's necessary for Sammi Brie to have done a QPQ. lullabying (talk) 07:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging BlueMoonset as this user has been blocked. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:53, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sammi Brie, it looks like lullabying was blocked for only 24 hours over 11 hours ago, so they'll be able to return to complete the review almost before you know it. This can wait until they're back. As far as the QPQ, since Sammie Brie is listed as participating in the expansion and they voluntarily nominated the article, they are indeed correct in providing the QPQ: it is always the nominator's responsibility based on how many credits they have (and Sammie Brie has many), regardless of whether another significant editor has fewer than five DYK credits or not. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
The Coloured Women's Club of Montreal
- ... that in 1907, The Coloured Women's Club of Montreal helped found the Union United Church (pictured), the oldest black church in Montreal? Union United, the city’s oldest Black Church founded in 1907, it became apparent there were a number of organized entities that were key to the development of the community. One of these was the CWCM. [42]
- ALT1:... that The Coloured Women's Club of Montreal was founded in 1902 by seven African-American women whose husbands worked on the railways as sleeping-car porters?
- Reviewed: Pierre Kaufmann
Created by Whispyhistory (talk), Edwardx (talk), and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 04:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC).
- Comment I'm not a fan of ALT1—If the article is about The Coloured Women's Club of Montreal, the hook shouldn't be focused on their husbands. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:55, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, it's just that the original hook is rather dull. According to North of the Color Line, at their foundation they were the first women's organization in Canada. It seems unlikely in 1902, but if it could be verified, it might make a good hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 22:28, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Knyaz Hasanov
- ... that the Kurdish-Armenian politician Knyaz Hasanov chaired the Armenian Parliament in 2017 and 2021? Source: [The last two MPs... both represent ethnic minorities. Arsen Mikhaylov and Knyaz Hasanov represent the Assyrian and Kurdish communities, respectively./ https://www.evnreport.com/politics/these-four-mps-left-the-republican-caucus-to-run-under-pashinyan-s-banner], [Hasanov even chaired the new parliament's inaugural session under a tradition giving the oldest member that honor/https://www.refworld.org/docid/59c3a36b4.html], [before the election of the President of the Parliament, the deputy of elder age Knyaz Hasanov moderated the NA sittings./http://www.parliament.am/news.php?cat_id=2&NewsID=14922&year=2021&month=08&day=02&lang=eng]
Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 04:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC).
Joni Albrecht
- ... that a resolution introduced into the Nebraska Legislature by Joni Albrecht praised Julie Schmit-Albin as "never one to let a public official waffle on pro-life legislation"? Source: "WHEREAS, Julie was never one to let a public official waffle on pro-life legislation, especially if the public official had received a public endorsement from Julie and the Nebraska Right to Life Political Action Committee" source
- Reviewed: Johnny Van Haeften
- Comment: I know this is a bit of a touchy subject, but I think the hook is more about the resolution than coming down on one side or the other.
5x expanded by Theleekycauldron (talk). Self-nominated at 06:55, 10 August 2021 (UTC).
Why (Yoko Ono song)
- ... "Why" John Lennon's guitar playing was credited as being better than Jimi Hendrix' and an influence on the Pixies? Source: Blaney: "... later bands, such as the pixies, must have been influenced by his extraordinary playing on this record. Jimi Hendrix may have turned guitar playing into an art form, but Lennon’s work on this track eclipses anything produced by Hendrix or any other guitar hero."
- ALT1:... that biographer John Blaney claimed John Lennon's guitar playing on the song "Why" was better than Jimi Hendrix's?
- Reviewed: Song Kok Hoo
- Comment: I am open to a more standard wording of the hook, but this seems "hookier"
Converted from a redirect by Rlendog (talk). Self-nominated at 20:12, 9 August 2021 (UTC).
- Not a review, but could you please have a read of WP:DYKHOOK? Schwede66 21:48, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Do you have a particular concern? I can revise the hook if necessary but I don't see anything that explicitly violates WP:DYKHOOK. Rlendog (talk) 15:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm proposing ALT1 @Schwede66: and @Rlendog: I think it should be a little closer to a standard DYK hook. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:27, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- I don't have a problem rewording the hook although I don't think a hook needs to be that specific about who said it. Although I think the original is hookier, if the form is a problem then I'd propose:
- ALT2:... that John Lennon's guitar playing on the song "Why" was credited as being better than Jimi Hendrix' and an influence on the Pixies? Comment by Rlendog
- @Rlendog: I was unsure about the grammar on the original hook, but the main issue is that its a WP:easter egg. It's really clever but readers should have some idea what the bold link leads to. It also was (I think) just that Beatles biographer who said Lennon's playing on "Why" was better than Hendrix and influenced the Pixies. The hook you proposed makes it seem like general consensus. The reference makes it seem like Blaney personally feels this, so I think the hook should reflect that in some way. It also feels a bit clunky since there's two hooky bits (Hendrix and the Pixies). BuySomeApples (talk) 20:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Robert McLean (minister)
- ... that Robert McLean was a Presbyterian minister who served as a missionary in Chile for six years before moving to Oregon where he founded two churches and was elected to the state legislature?
- Source: Hook info can be found in McLean’s obituary published in the Los Angeles Times on 1 November 1926. Obituary says, McLean was a "... Presbyterian clergyman ..."; "For six years he was a missionary in ... Concepción, Chile"; "He founded the Presbyterian churches in Grants Pass and Klamath Falls, Oregon"; and "He was a member of the Oregon state legislature ..."
- Reviewed: Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon)
Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 20:58, 7 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 8
Barry Joule
- ... that due to a left/right mix-up, Barry Joule destroyed the wrong Francis Bacon painting, which would now be worth around £35 million? Source: "The late artist’s friend received a furious 4am phone call after burning the wrong portrait in a mix-up over right and left. When Francis Bacon asked a friend to destroy one of two paintings in his studio, he said it was the “one on the left”. Bacon’s idea of left turned out to be as distinctive as his art, resulting in a disastrous mistake — the destruction of a painting that would now be worth about £35m. The artist’s friend was Barry Joule" ([43])
- Reviewed: not yet done
Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 20:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New Enough: - n
- Long Enough:
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QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Edwardx and Philafrenzy: Article is one day late—I'll let it slide. Hilarious and interesting hook—plus, the one about him being the model in those paintings where he wore cricket pads would also make an excellent hook if only it were under 200 characters. Holding approval awaiting a QPQ. Nicely done :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 06:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Deutsche Wohnen & Co. enteignen
- ... that on 26 September 2021, Berlin voters will have a housing referendum (pictured) on whether to Expropriate Deutsche Wohnen & Co.? Source: Berliner Zeitung
- ALT1:... that over 349,000 signatures were collected in favour of the Expropriate Deutsche Wohnen & Co. initiative, which broke the record for the number of signatures collected in a Berlin referendum? Source: Exberliner Magazine
Created by Shushugah (talk). Self-nominated at 16:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC).
Viola Roseboro'
- ... that after Viola Roseboro' suggested Willa Cather rewrite My Ántonia completely, Cather may have based the novel My Mortal Enemy on her? Source: Reportedly, on reading the manuscript for My Ántonia, she told Cather, “[You] have told your novel through the wrong character’s eyes, from the wrong point of view. Have you the courage to throw the [manuscript] away, and sit down and re-write it from [Jim Burden]’s point of view, you have a great book.” Cather heeded her words.[44] AND ... honestly, there's an 18-page essay in a major literary journal dedicated entirely to the proposition that Roseboro' was the model for the protagonist of MME, analyzing the parallels one by one. The title of the essay is "Viola Roseboro': A Prototype for Cather's My Mortal Enemy. It's on JSTOR, but fortunately you have JSTOR access via your Wikipedia Library account.
Created by DragonflySixtyseven (talk). Self-nominated at 03:31, 13 August 2021 (UTC).
- Comment (not a review): This nomination appears to be incomplete: The QPQ is missing. The QPQ checker isn't working for me but I found several past DYKs with QPQs from this nominator so I believe one is needed. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, did a bunch of comments on other entries, and then reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Kazimierz Kowalski as a whole. DS (talk) 04:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Border between Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador
- ... that on Quebec's maps, the land border with Newfoundland and Labrador must have a separate symbol in the map's legend from other interprovincial boundaries? Source: (in French, p. 35), quote: "Le territoire du Labrador doit apparaître [...] Sa frontière doit être composée d’un symbole différent des autres frontières interprovinciales et internationales du Québec qui seront libellées et illustrées de la façon suivante sur les cartes et dans la légende :"; translated: "The territory of Labrador must appear... Its border should be signed by a different symbol from other interprovincial and international boundaries of Quebec, which are to be labeled and illustrated on the maps and in the legend in the following way:..."
- ALT1:... that in the legal sense, according to the 1927 decision of the Privy Council delimiting the border between Quebec and Newfoundland, the word "coast" also includes the drainage basin? Source: [45]; quote: "Evidence on jurisdiction on the part of Newfoundland in the years following 1763 showed that the annexation of the 'coast' had always been understood and treated as including the whole area lying between the sea and the watershed".
- ALT2:... that René Lévesque, a sovereigntist politician in Quebec, referred to the 1927 Privy Council decision defining the border between Quebec and Newfoundland as a "judicial theft"? Source: Interview with Lévesque, 1968; quote: "...le droit du Québec sur Labrador, c'est-à-dire de... que... à la réparation du vol judiciare que... qui a été perpetrée... [il y a] une quarantaine d'années [mais ce reste] un vol quand même..." (0:22-0:30). From my imperfect comprehension of French (fragments about which I'm not sure are in brackets), that would be: "the right of Quebec to Labrador, that is... that... to the rectifying of the judicial theft that... that was perpetrated... about forty years ago but it stays a theft nevertheless..."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Socialist Soviet Republic of Lithuania and Belorussia
- Comment: I'm not too proficient in French, so maybe I've deciphered Lévesque not ideally, but I hope I've preserved the sense of his monologue pretty well. The hook's choice is up to you.
Created by Szmenderowiecki (talk). Self-nominated at 21:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC).
2019 Q School (snooker)
- ... that Fraser Patrick likened playing in the 2019 Q School to being in a boxing match with Anthony Joshua? Source: http://www.worldsnooker.com/patrick-and-chen-earn-tour-returns/
Moved to mainspace by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 13:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC).
- While the article is clearly new and long enough, with the hook fact cited inline, and neutrally written, I do wonder if it is a tad too reliant on primary sources. In addition, a QPQ has yet to be done. Kingoflettuce (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Maria Karapetyan
- ... that in the nights of 2018, the Maria Karapetyan sprayed "RejectSerzh" on prominent streets of Yerevan in support of Nikol Pashinian's revolution against Serge Sarkissian? Source: https://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-armenia-revolution-2018-htmlstory.html
- ALT1:... that in the nights of 2018, the Maria Karapetyan sprayed "RejectSerzh" on prominent streets of Yerevan in support of Nikol Pashinian's revolution before she was elected to the Armenian parliament?
- ALT2:... that before she was elected to the Parliament of Armenia, Maria Karapetyan spray-painted political graffiti on the streets of Yerevan in support of Nikol Pashinyan?
- Reviewed:Template:Did you know nominations/Édgar Arredondo
- Comment: other hooks are welcomed, but that a sprayer became a politician is quite interesting I guess.
Created by Paradise Chronicle (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC).
- Interesting, yes. Needs a grammar fix. DS (talk) 05:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. I agree on that ALT2 is a good hook. To mention political describes it better.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:56, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting, yes. Needs a grammar fix. DS (talk) 05:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Indradi Thanos
- ... that Thanos was involved in the aftermath of the Yugoslav Wars and founded a disco club after retirement? Source: "Sari Berita Sosial-Politik: Pengiriman Konga ke Balkan". Kompas. 9 March 1996. p. 11. Retrieved 13 July 2021., Nurdiana, Titis (14 May 2020). "Tak terima ditutup, pemilik diskotek Golden Crown menggugat Pemprov DKI". Kontan. Retrieved 8 August 2021.
Created by Love and Parting (talk). Self-nominated at 00:08, 8 August 2021 (UTC).
- When I think of "Thanos," I think of the Marvel character instead of your nomination. I think that the hook is misleading by saying "Thanos," as it makes people think that Thanos the Marvel character had involvement in the aftermath of the Yugoslav Wars and started a disco club when he retired. All I think you'll need to do before submitting is to replace the current link text, "Thanos," with "Indradi Thanos." (Do not take this verbatim; remove the period!) Otherwise, you're good to go! Capsulecap(talk • contribs) 02:09, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Capsulecap: You'll figure out why I use Thanos instead of the full name when you click the "What links here" on this page. --Love and Parting (talk) 03:02, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Some sources seem to refer to him as "Thanos" instead of "Indradi", e.g. [46]. And besides, since this is an AFD Hook, I have several additional propositions:
Comment: The name confusion is a good thing, our goal is to get people to actually click the articles and DYK enshrines the use of hooky hooks like this. Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Another drive-by comment: I agree. The name confusion is what makes this hooky. I like ALT1 or ALT2 for the same reason: they are punchier. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Seconded. No one's going to really think that the Marvel character Thanos owned a disco club or hunted drug dealers. But it makes it hooky, and the people who click through will figure it out pretty quickly. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
- Alternatively, we could always save this hook for April Fools' day. It's a while from now, but it'd be a good addition. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:25, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Love and Parting and Capsulecap: times' a-wastin'–possibly make this an april fools' day hook? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 07:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 9
Erich Witte
- ... that Erich Witte was the first performer of the title role of Britten's Peter Grimes in Berlin? Source: [47]
- Reviewed: to come
Created by LouisAlain (talk), Gerda Arendt (talk), and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:12, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Linda Watson (soprano)
- ... that Linda Watson, a dramatic soprano born in San Francisco who made a career in Europe, is proud of a Grammy nomination for Wagner's Ring cycle with her as Brünnhilde? Source: [48]
- Reviewed: to come
Created by LouisAlain (talk), and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:11, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Iulia Maria Dan
- ... that the Romanian soprano Iulia Maria Dan was Hamlet's Ophelia in the Bregenz Festival's revival of Franco Faccio's rediscovered opera Amleto? Source: several
- Reviewed: to come
Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Martin Perscheid
- ... that Martin Perscheid (pictured) published more than 25 books with cartoons between 1995 and 2021? Source: [49]
- ALT1:... that Martin Perscheid (pictured) published more than 4,300 comic strips between 1994 and 2021? Source: [50]
- ALT2:... that German cartoonist Martin Perscheid's (pictured) drawing style has been compared to Gary Larson's? Source: [51]
- Reviewed: TBD
5x expanded by SoWhy (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by SoWhy (talk) at 13:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC).
- ALT1a: ... that Martin Perscheid (pictured) published more than 4,300 comic strips under the title "Perscheids Abgründe" (Perscheid's abysses)? Source: [52] Grimes2 (talk) 13:52, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that Martin Perscheid (pictured) published more than 4,300 cartoons, exploring "abysses of sexism, racism, ignorance, corruption and stupidity"? Source: [53] and others --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Not a review, but may I raise the issue that the subject is sitting in front of a cartoon, that cartoon is rather prominent, and it will probably be under copyright? As such, the cartoon will have to be blurred or the photo deleted from Commons. Schwede66 21:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sigh. You could crop to just the face. The character IS his main and recognizable creation, published in several thousand strips in leading German papers and books, repeated in all obits, explaining his style better than our poor words. - Sad --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- I blurred the cartoon character, it's still somewhat recognizable, please let me know if it's OK or if I should revert or crop. Hope it helps. Netherzone (talk) 03:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for trying, but I'd like to see (to probably prefer) a crop to his face for this purpose. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I blurred the cartoon character, it's still somewhat recognizable, please let me know if it's OK or if I should revert or crop. Hope it helps. Netherzone (talk) 03:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on August 10
Bessie Anstice Baker
- ... that Bessie Anstice Baker (pictured), a convert to Catholicism, was the first Australian woman to receive the Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice medal? Source: "Miss Baker in Rome", https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/56563265
- ALT1:... that Bessie Anstice Baker (pictured) founded the first Catholic hospital in Adelaide, South Australia? Source:https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/baker-elizabeth-anstice-bessie-12782
- Reviewed: tbd
Created/expanded by PMCH2 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 11
- ... that Drake did not allow retribution against the indigenous Patagonian inhabitants after they killed two of Drake's crewmen? Source: John Sugden (2006). Francis Drake. pp. 107-114.
- ALT1:... that after Thomas Doughty is sentenced to death by Drake, the two men dine and receive communion together just before Doughty's execution? Source: John Sugden (2006). Francis Drake. pp. 107-114.
- ALT2:... that Drake excommunicated his fleet's chaplain Francis Fletcher, chained him to a hatch, and hung a sign on him: "Frances fletcher, ye falseth knave that liveth"? Source: John Sugden (2006). Francis Drake. p. 141.
- Comment: I have four past successful DYK nominations
Created by Hu Nhu (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Johannes Schott, Martin Schott
- ... that Johannes Schott of Strasbourg took over the printing company of his father Martin Schott around 1500, and printed texts by Protestant reformers such as Ulrich von Hutten and Martin Luther? Source: [54] (1500), [55] (von Hutten), [56] (Luther)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bernd Jeffré, Template:Did you know nominations/Hanan Awwad, Template:Did you know nominations/32nd anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests (the latter two are not full reviews, but I figured two halves count for one whole).
Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 18:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC).
- No relation to the music publisher. Joofjoof (talk) 07:48, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Interesting articles on great sources, no copyvio obvious. So far I looked only at the son, but will do the other also. I like the article a lot, but think the lead could - besides avoiding a repetition of "also" - say more clearly that he not only printed but had close contact with the authors. I think a hook saying so would be more interesting. Perhaps we might split the DYK in father and son. Just an idea, but I need food before looking at the father :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I now also looked at the father, on few but good sources (and no more to expected given the era), and I can read the German. No copvio obvious. So: I'd still suggest to split this in two noms, with the image used for the father, an unusual and clear image worth showing. In Martin's article, I'd summarise his son's work a bit more than just saying he was likewise a printer, - just a suggestion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 12
Wayward Son (novel)
- ... that Any Way The Wind Blows is Wayward Son's sequel?
- ALT1:... that Wayward Son is Rainbow Rowell's fourth young adult novel?
Created/expanded by Madeleinerberry (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Adequate sourcing: - I think there's some unsourced analysis in the section covering the characters. See WP:OR–Try to pull analysis from secondary sources, instead of interpreting the book on your own.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
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- Interesting: - I think the hook is a little too straightforward. Maybe pull an interesting bit from the book, or preferably from a review of the book?
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Overall: We're not quite ready for DYK, but I wouldn't give up just yet–let's see if we can't clean up the section on the characters and improve the hook, and then we'll be good to go! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- oops, i have to ping people? @Madeleinerberry: theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 01:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- ALTs suggested by nominator (originals kept for posterity):
- ALT2: ... that Wayward Son's protagonist, Simon Snow, has red dragon wings and a cartoon devil tail?
- ALT3: ... that Wayward Son was nominated for a Goodreads Choice Award for Young Adult Fantasy and Science Fiction in 2019?
- theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:55, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Both ALT2 and ALT3 are sufficiently interesting, but may I suggest one more? Totally up to you whether you want to use it:
- ALT4: That in Wayward Son, the group kills a handful of vampires at a renaissance faire in Nebraska?
- theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 04:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- could someone weigh in on what kind of sourcing the article needs? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 05:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
BASIC-8
- ... that David Ahl purchased BASIC-8 to sell with the PDP-8 when DEC management proved more interested in their own FOCAL language? Source: Inverview with Ahl - sorry, tjhere's no page numbers, para numbers or any other markers, but Find will turn it up imeddiately.
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 18:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Cited: - ?
- Interesting:
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Overall: I can't find where it says he purchased BASIC from a Brooklyn programmer. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Maury, I can't find where it says he purchased BASIC. The closet I can find in the source is "I hired one group, actually it turned out to be just an individual guy in Brooklyn that developed a Basic for 4KPDP8." FWIW, it also doesn't support "To aid its uptake, Ahl personally ported over several popular FOCAL programs, notably the games Lunar Lander and The Sumerian Game, which he renamed Hamurabi."
While we're here: "COMPILER was not a compiler in the modern sense of the word, as it did not generate machine code" but our definition is "The name "compiler" is primarily used for programs that translate source code from a high-level programming language to a lower level language (e.g. assembly language, object code, or machine code) to create an executable program." My understanding is that it was a tokenizer because what it produced was smaller, but still BASIC. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7: Hired vs. purchased is the concern here? I get hired to produce software and the customers send me purchase orders - but if you feel this is confusing (really?), by all means, change it. As to compiler/tokenizer, the output of COMPILER was BASIC, a high-level language, so it is not a compiler in the modern sense, which, as you note, produces a "lower level language". Am I missing something on this point? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Lunar/Ham ref added BTW. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Lego Masters (French TV series)
- ... that the world record for the greatest weight supported by a brick bridge was broken on the French version of Lego Masters? Source: 1 and 2
- ALT1:... that on the French version of Lego Masters the world record for the greatest weight supported by a brick bridge was broken? Source: 1 and 2
Created by Sahaib3005 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC).
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- Long Enough: - currently too short
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Overall: Article is new enough, neutral and plagiarism-free. However, it is currently too short (around 100 characters short of the minimum requirement) and I have concerns about the reliability of many of the article's sources, including BrickFanatics, Telepro, Brick Banter, Twenty Minutes, Betaseries and PureMédias. Hook is interesting and cited in article, though I think it would be more hooky if "surpassed" was replaced by "broken". QPQ not needed. Pamzeis (talk) I am not watching this article so please ping me if you want my attention. 09:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Pamzeis:, I have improved the article. Sahaib3005 (talk) 21:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I have removed Brick Banter and BrickFanatics, I’m not sure how reliable the French sources are. Sahaib3005 (talk) 06:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply! Ping me in the future, BTW, because I don't watch DYKNs I've reviewed. I'll continue this review in a bit but I'm gonna have a look at the sources again. Please ping me if I don't reply by the end of Sunday! Pamzeis (talk) 07:40, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
- Going through the sources:
- 20 Minutes: Seems fine, no evidence of unreliability
- programme-tv.net: ditto
- larep: ditto
- lanouvellerepublique: ditto
- Telerama: ditto
- PureMedias: ditto
- TV Magazine
- Telestar: I don't see any evidence of editorial staff, may need to be removed
- Le Parisian: seems fine
- Telepro: I don't see any evidence of editorial staff, may need to be removed
- Tekdeeks: seems fine
- Archyde: ditto
- Betaseries: ditto
- Stars actu: the authors don't seems to be professionals... might have to be removed
- Format: seems fine
- That's all of the sources from me. Some might have to be removed. Ping me when you've replied! Pamzeis (talk) 05:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 13
Memorandum on Genuine Autonomy
- ... that the Dalai Lama's middle way approach sought genuine autonomy rather than independence for Tibet? Source: the Dalai Lama long ago conceded claims for independence in favour of autonomy under his "middle way" approach; "The essence of the Middle Way Approach is to secure genuine autonomy for the Tibetan people within the scope of the Constitution of the PRC... We remain firmly committed not to seek separation or independence."
Created by DiplomatTesterMan (talk). Self-nominated at 03:22, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Naoki Saito
- ... that Naoki Saito is a contributing artist of the Pokémon Trading Card Game? Source: 4gamer (article): "ポケモンカードゲームのイラストを手がける,さいとうなおき氏のサイン会も行われた" [An autograph session for Naoki Saito, an illustrator for the Pokémon Trading Card Game, was also held.]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KNUE
Created by Lullabying (talk). Self-nominated at 08:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC).
Unión Peruana de Productores Fonográficos
- ... that the album Días Nuevos by Gian Marco was the first to be awarded Quintuple Platinum by Unión Peruana de Productores Fonográficos (UNIMPRO), becoming the best-selling album of 2011 in Perú? Source: Award and best selling from "Días Nuevos de Gian Marco es el disco más vendido del año" (in Spanish). RPP Noticias. Retrieved December 20, 2013. Being a new record is from Gianmarco ganó el quintuple disco de platino al vender 50 mil copias de su álbum "Días nuevos". Los Reyes Del Show. America TV. December 4, 2011.
record mentioned at 0:39
Created by FanDePopLatino (talk). Nominated by Muhandes (talk) at 12:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 14
Architextiles
- ... that architextiles, a textile-based approach in architecture, is creating innovative, interactive and live designs? [57]:5–20
- ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 09:21, 14 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 15
Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics
- ... that Venezuela's performance at Tokyo 2020 was the best in its Olympic history? Source: Euforia en Venezuela con el oro olímpico de Yulimar Rojas (Spanish)
- ALT1:... that before the 2020 Olympics, the Venezuelan committee hosted talks on Olympism, but was then criticized for forcing its athletes to be political at the Games? Source: Triple jumper Rojas hails Venezuelan Olympic Committee session on Olympic values and Orestes Lorenzo vs Yulimar Rojas (Spanish)
- ALT2:... that Venezuelan Olympic medal winners at the 2020 Games became involved in controversy for thanking the nation's president? Source: Orestes Lorenzo vs Yulimar Rojas (Spanish)
- ALT3:... that Julio Mayora (pictured) was most happy about winning his silver medal for Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics because it means the government might give his mother a house? Source: Julio Mayora and Another Victory for Chavismo
- ALT4:... that despite having to cut funding for their Olympic teams, all the competitors for Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics were given cars by the Venezuelan government? Source: El campeón olímpico venezolano que trabaja como repartidor en Polonia (Spanish), Refugee Eldric Sella Rodriguez makes Venezuela proud in defeat and Aseguran que el Gobierno obsequió carros a atletas olímpicos (Spanish/sometimes geoblocked)
- ALT5:... that there was a public vote to pick the flagbearers to represent Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics? Source: News from the Venezuelan National Olympic Committee
- ALT6:... that all of Venezuela's athletics competitors at the 2020 Summer Olympics were women? Source: Venezuelan athletics is represented by four women
- ALT7:... that Yulimar Rojas (pictured) could have qualified to represent Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics in the long jump, but only competed in the triple jump, for which she set a new world record? Source: Superb demonstration of Yulimar Rojas in long jump and Yulimar Rojas smashes world triple jump record in Tokyo
- ALT8:... that both Yulimar Rojas and Rubén Limardo (pictured), previous Olympic medal winners, expressed a desire to compete for Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics with some of their siblings, but only the two of them qualified? Source: Yulimar Rojas is Outsports' 2020 Female Athlete of the Year, Yulimar Rojas espera a su hermana (Spanish) and Ruben Limardo: Olympic fencing champion and food delivery person
- ALT9:... that Ahymara Espinoza had to crowdfund to make her way to represent Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics? Source: Tokyo2020: Ahymara Espinoza, quando il sogno olimpico è più forte delle avversità! (Italian/sometimes geoblocked)
- ALT10:... that part of Yoel Finol's (pictured) preparation for representing Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics was to forgive his sister's murderer? Source: Tokyo Olympics Men's Flyweight Round of 32 - Full Results
- ALT11:... that 2020 Venezuelan Olympic boxer Yoel Finol (pictured) had his fight stopped twice to tie his hair back? Source: Tokyo Olympics Men's Flyweight Round of 32 - Full Results
- ALT12:... that Irismar Cardozo qualified to represent Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics by drawing lots? Source: Irismar Cardozo clasificó a los Juegos Olímpicos Tokio 2020 (Spanish)
- ALT13:... that after leading the men's road race for Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics for over 100 miles, Orluis Aular dropped out with less than 30 miles to go? Source: Carapaz outlasts Pogacar, U.S. rider McNulty to win road race, Declaraciones de Orluis Aular tras su participación en el ciclismo de ruta en Tokio 2020 (Spanish/video) and Men's road race results pdf
- ALT14:... that Daniel Dhers (pictured), who helped get BMX freestyle into the Olympics, planned to retire before it made its debut but stayed in competition and won the silver for Venezuela at Tokyo 2020? Source: BMX freestyle will bring a "fresh look" to the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, Cycling-Venezuelan veteran Dhers is down with the young dudes and Australian Logan Martin snags gold medal in men's BMX freestyle
- ALT15:... that Rubén Limardo (pictured) has criticized the Venezuelan government, of which he was a member, for not providing athletes with support to help them represent the country at the 2020 Olympics? Source: El campeón olímpico venezolano que trabaja como repartidor en Polonia (Spanish)
- ALT16:... that London 2012 gold medalist fencer Rubén Limardo (pictured) had to work as food delivery rider to support his family while preparing to represent Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics? Source: Ruben Limardo: Olympic fencing champion and food delivery person
- ALT17:... that Jhonattan Vegas was ranked first for both distance of tee shots and total number of bogeys while competing in the golf for Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics? Source: Golf statistic pdf
- ALT18:... that Anriquelis Barrios picked up at least one yellow card in each of her judo fights when representing Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics, but still made it to the bronze medal match? Source: Athlete record
- ALT19:... that Antonio Díaz (pictured), world leader in karate kata wins, postponed his retirement to represent Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics? Source: Karate star Antonio Diaz bears flag for Venezuela at Opening Ceremony
- ALT20:... that Antonio Díaz (pictured) was disappointed his last karate fights would be behind closed doors as he represented Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics until his wife reminded him the Olympics has the biggest television audience in the world? Source: Karate star Antonio Diaz bears flag for Venezuela at Opening Ceremony
- ALT21:... that both of Venezuela's Tokyo 2020 weightlifting medalists (pictured) emphatically celebrated their lifts? Source: Shi Zhiyong wins weightlifting gold with world record - and bronze for B Group Indonesian (Mayora backflip) and Weightlifter Meso wins Qatar’s first ever Olympic gold medal (Vallenilla "wild")
- ALT22:... that BoxingScene said two of Yoel Finol's (pictured) struggles as a boxer for Venezuela at the 2020 Summer Olympics were keeping his long hair tied back during his fight and forgiving his sister's murderer? Source: Tokyo Olympics Men's Flyweight Round of 32 - Full Results
- Reviewed: V.M.M. Nair
- Comment: It might have hit the expansion deadline yesterday, I'm not sure if DYK uses UTC. The hooks probably get more interesting as you go down, when I became more selective with the facts. Various relevant images throughout the article. Note that ALT7 world record fact has appeared in ITN (not the article, but the record as news). Note that there is an approved DYK hook already mentioning Rojas' relationship with her sister, which might be too related to ALT8 (and alternative could only mention Limardo).
5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 23:19, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
- Comment only: 22 Alt hooks? Do you think a reviewer is going to check all of them for citations etc? I suggest you choose two or three? Victuallers (talk) 16:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Brajesh Singh
- ... that Stalin's daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva fell in love with Indian communist Brajesh Singh whom she referred to as her husband but they were never allowed to marry officially, and she later brought Singh's ashes to India? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=aFedBAAAQBAJ at page 10
Created by Ratnahastin (talk). Self-nominated at 03:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Plevna, Tampere
- ... that the Plevna building in Tampere, Finland was the first building in the Nordic countries and Empire of Russia (which Finland was part of at the time) to be lit by electrical lights? Sources: 10 Plevna, city of Tampere 2003. Accessed on 16 August 2021. SUOMEN ENSIMMÄISEN SÄHKÖVALAISTUKSEN MUISTOLAATTA 1962, city of Tampere 2006. Accessed on 16 August 2021., Viljo Rasila, Tampereen historia 2, p. 34.]
- ALT1:... that the Plevna building in Tampere, Finland was the first building in the Nordic countries to be lit by electrical light? Sources: 10 Plevna, city of Tampere 2003. Accessed on 16 August 2021. SUOMEN ENSIMMÄISEN SÄHKÖVALAISTUKSEN MUISTOLAATTA 1962, city of Tampere 2006. Accessed on 16 August 2021., Rasila, Viljo Tampereen historia 2, p. 34.
Created by JIP (talk). Self-nominated at 12:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC).
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- I found a working link for a source about the first electric light in the Nordic countries. The article and this nomination have been updated. JIP | Talk 02:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- I found another source by the city of Tampere and added a little more information about the building. JIP | Talk 02:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- The English Wikipedia doesn't have an article about Satakunnankatu but the Finnish Wikipedia does. As I speak Finnish natively I could translate it but it's going to take one day. Alternatively I could just delink the street name. JIP | Talk 03:01, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 16
Max Vernon (police officer)
- ... that police negotiator Max Vernon told the actor portraying him in 6 Days "you've been wrongly cast. You're two inches shorter than me and I have more hair"? "Vernon was played by the actor Mark Strong in a 2017 film about the siege, 6 Days. When the two met he looked at Strong and told him: 'You've been wrongly cast. You're two inches shorter than me and I have more hair.'" from: "Max Vernon obituary". The Times. 19 February 2021. Retrieved 14 August 2021.
- ALT1:... that chief negotiator Max Vernon thought he was close to a peaceful resolution of the Iranian Embassy siege before a hostage angered the gunmen? "He believed he came close to persuading Salim to surrender, but from the outset one of the captured Iranian diplomats, Abbas Lavasani, the press attaché, 'wanted to be a martyr, and he upset [the gunmen] every day. He scrawled insults on the wall and called them every name under the sun'. On day six the terrorists shot Lavasani and dumped his body outside. At that point "we knew it was all over and the SAS were going in", Vernon said." from: "Max Vernon obituary". The Times. 19 February 2021. Retrieved 14 August 2021.
Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 07:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 17
Light Years (Kylie Minogue album)
- ... that Kylie Minogue's seventh studio album Light Years includes a hidden introductory track in the pregap portion of its CD release? Source: “Password” surfaced on Light Years as a hidden “introductory track” at its start. the hidden album track Password – a bugger to find, as there was but scarce internet in those days.)
- ALT1:... that Kylie Minogue scored her first number-one album in her native Australia with Light Years in 2000, 12 years after her debut album was released? Source: KYLIE MINOGUE IN AUSTRALIAN CHARTS - Albums Light Years was an instant sensation and awarded Minogue with her first number-one album in Australia
- ALT2:... that Kylie Minogue's seventh studio album, Light Years, was her first number-one album in her native Australia? Source: Same with previous hook
Improved to Good Article status by Damian Vo (talk). Self-nominated at 06:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC).
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