Why don't we create a page for rapper Dax
Sandiey X (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Sandiey X: Welcome to the Teahouse. Is Dax notable by Wikipedia's standards, particularly for musicians? If Dax isn't, then it's likely an article about him isn't likely to be made. Are you sure you aren't talking about Dax (Rapper)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:01, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse Sandiey X, why don't you make a page for the mentioned rapper your self? Please check WP:1st before you do so, and make sure the rapper meets the notability criteria. General notability guidelines are a great place to start. Justiyaya (talk) 06:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Dax (rapper) appears to be protected from creation, so I've submitted a technical move request as the page I mentioned earlier doesn't conform to standard disambiguation style. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:06, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- A little further explanation for Sandiey X: You don't follow Justiyaya's (qualified) suggestion, no matter how well-intended it was, because you can't. And you can't because after the article on "Dax (rapper)" was deleted after discussion, various attempts were made to ignore this discussion, which wasted people's time. If you believe that Dax now meets WP:GNG, then you might start by persuading RL0919 of this (on User talk:RL0919). (It was RL0919 who closed the discussion with a decision to delete.) Provide convincing evidence, of course. (Normally I'd point you to Callanecc, as the user who "salted" the article, but they're not around these days.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yea Hoary you're right, I didn't realize that the article is salted. -- Justiyaya (talk) 09:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Hoary: I can't view what the deleted article used to be, but are you able to check if the page I mentioned, Dax (Rapper), is the same one that slipped through the cracks? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:15, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: Dax (Rapper) now redirects to Dax (rapper). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:49, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Deleting a Draft: Randy Bishop
I would like to re-do the Randy Bishop entry that has been disputed by you. I've now been given multiple citations and sources that I believe will make the entry valid. Can you please let me know how I can delete the current "Randy Bishop" draft and start over? Thanks. Mmpm123 (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Mmpm123, just edit the existing draft, Draft:Randy Bishop. Remove what you can't cite, add only stuff supported by a cited WP:RS, and read WP:BLP carefully. When you are done to your satisfaction, submit the draft and find out if you've done it to WP:s satisfaction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply! How do I actually access the document and put it into edit mode? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmpm123 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Mmpm123: You should be able to just click the "Edit" link near the top of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:58, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you need a general guide on editing, WP:TUTORIAL can help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I only see an "Edit Source" option. Is this what I use?
- @Mmpm123:Yes, that is the button that will let you edit :) CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 17:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Mmpm123: Now if you want to use the visual editor, you can go to your Special:Preferences/preferences, navigate to the Editing tab, and uncheck the box next to "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta". It'll only work in certain namespaces, like mainspace (where articles are). (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
~~~~
.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)- @Mmpm123 @Tenryuu You can use User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere, a User script, if you want to use VisualEditor in all namespaces. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use
{{reply to|Qwerfjkl}}
on reply) 19:55, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Mmpm123 @Tenryuu You can use User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere, a User script, if you want to use VisualEditor in all namespaces. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use
I've re-submitted the article for review and hopefully, publication. 19:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmpm123 (talk • contribs)
- Mmpm123 No. Or to be clearer, Hell, no. Your first attempt had four references. Your revision has 80+ non-references. See WP:Referencing for beginners for how to insert references into the body of the article so that they show up as a reference list. David notMD (talk) 21:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Dear "David," I really don't understand the need to be rude. A simple explanation of what is missing or incorrect in my article would suffice. Mmpm123 (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- The draft has no references in an approved reference format. David notMD (talk) 21:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Theroadislong pointed out that IMBd and other websites are not considered valid references. I added a Submit button for when you are ready to submit. David notMD (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- To add to what has been said, I have took a look at the references, few of them are currently verifyable.
- For internet sources: Please provide at least a Deep URL to the content referenced, the title and the date you last accessed & verfied the source
- For newspapers / journals: Please provide at least Newspaper name, Edition name, article author (where available) and the page number.
- For books: Please provide the ISBN (where known), author, title, publisher and page number.
- In general, please be advised that neither Wikipedia nor IMDB nor Discogs are reliable sources. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Theroadislong pointed out that IMBd and other websites are not considered valid references. I added a Submit button for when you are ready to submit. David notMD (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Naming people charged in juvenile court
Hello all.
I have found a section in an article that lists the names of some youths charged with rape at a school (not sure I should link to it yet).
They were initially charged as adults and as such their names were reported in the reference. However, they were then moved to juvenile court and as the article states "As a result, the outcome of the case and what punishment, if any, the rapists faced is unknown". The article also refers to them as "perpetrators".
I'm not sure they should be named in the article as they are juveniles, even if it was already reported.
Do we have any guides for this?
Princess Persnickety (talk) 17:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- PrincessPersnickety, there is an essay (not formally adopted by the community and may be a minority view) about this at Wikipedia:Minors and persons judged incompetent. We also have WP:BLPNAME. I think this is probably something best handled in a talk page discussion at the specific article in question, and it may depend on how widely the minors' names were published in the first instance. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- @PrincessPersnickety: Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. If the story is highly relevant to the article, then a talk page discussion mght be wise. But if its an article about a school, then naming names in one minor section on Controversies is way out of order, and should be removed. Too much detail on any such single incident is WP:UNDUE. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you both for your help Calliopejen1 and Nick Moyes. I will have a read of those links. Princess Persnickety (talk) 10:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @PrincessPersnickety: Being charged is not the same as being found guilty. If the story is highly relevant to the article, then a talk page discussion mght be wise. But if its an article about a school, then naming names in one minor section on Controversies is way out of order, and should be removed. Too much detail on any such single incident is WP:UNDUE. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
creating an article
how long does it take a new editor to qualify to create an article? JaneAtawa (talk) 18:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- @JaneAtawa: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking about when users are autoconfirmed, an account needs to have made at least 10 edits and be 4 days old. That being said, the lack of said status doesn't prevent new users from going through the Articles for Creation process, which is highly recommended, as it allows more experienced users to check the draft and ensure that it is appropriate for Wikipedia, as creating an article is one of the hardest things you can do on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, JaneAtawa, and welcome to the Teahouse! Your account must be autoconfirmed—the account must be at least 4 days old and have 10 edits—to create articles directly in the mainspace. However, any user can submit an article to Articles for Creation and have it be reviewed by an experienced editor. For more information, please see WP:YFA. --Aknell4 (talk • contribs) 18:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, JaneAtawa. Editors who try the challenging task of creating a new article before they have spent a few months improving some of our six million existing articles and learning how things work in Wikipedia, often have a gruelling and frustrating experience. Signing this comment (belatedly): --ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Changing my username
Changing my username So first of all, I'm making plans to change my username (I'm honestly not the biggest fan of it). I've already found a user that can do it; I'm narrowing down my options of what I'm changing it to. Will the edits I've made as HelenDegenerate show up as my new username? Thanks, 🐍Helen🐍 (let’s talk) 22:41, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. Any rename will also change the attribution of any edits made under the old name. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 22:43, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Jéské Couriano And I'll still have my rollback rights? 🐍Helen🐍 (let’s talk) 22:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- @HelenDegenerate: It's like a woman getting married: your name may change, but not who you are. Your 'rights' here won't alter either. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Will the signature for posts signed before the username change be retrospectively altered? Stanstaple (talk) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Jéské Couriano And I'll still have my rollback rights? 🐍Helen🐍 (let’s talk) 22:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Unsure whether to maintain COI declaration
Out of an abundance of caution, when I recently created the article St. Mary's-in-Tuxedo I decided to declare a COI, since I have lately been informally volunteering at this church (working mainly on historical projects). I have tried to be scrupulous with my choice of sources, using only those that any member of the public could theoretically access. Since I am not formally affiliated with this organization, should I keep my COI declaration, or should I perhaps disclose my association in another way, by posting in the article talk page for example? firvales73 (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, firvales73! I recommend keeping the COI as-is. The reasoning behind needing to declare a COI isn't so much how formally affiliated you are with a subject, but whether your view on the subject could possibly be non-neutral (even if not intended). For example, I previously volunteered for Brainly and still have a COI userbox on my userpage due to my opinions and knowledge about the subject. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 02:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi Firvales73 Your declaration of a COI probably won't matter as long as you try and ensure your edits are in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines; if you start making edits which start attracting attention because they are not in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines, then you going to find yourself having problems regardless of what you've declared. You can err on the side of caution here and leave the declaration and follow WP:COIADVICE, you can ask for additional input at WP:COIN, or you can remove the declaration. Either way, people are going be looking at the quality of your edits and a COI is only really a problem when it starts to effect that quality. For reference, COI editing is highly discoouraged because it can lead to serious problems, but it's not expressly prohibitted. The only thing you need to make sure of is undisclosed paid editing because that is against the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use and will result in your account being blocked if detected no matter how good your edits are. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you both, I appreciate the clarity! firvales73 (talk) 13:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Query on bullying deleted from Teahouse?
Hi I cant find the discussion on the query I posted on 31st May on Wiki policy on Bullying and Disruptive editors? Could someone help me find it? or tell what could have happened it, I xant find it in the archives. Shatbhisha6 (talk) 02:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Threads are archived after a certain time. You opened the thread. It was replied to. You saw and responded to the reply [1], and the thread was archived to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1111#wikipedia_policy_on_bullying_and_disruptive_editorssome time after June 2, after a period of no further posts.
- Next time you need to find something you posted in the archive I suggest that you search on your username. Meters (talk) 02:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks a ton, I searched for it in the archives but somehow I couldnt find it. I am new and learning wiki ways. Thanks again Shatbhisha6 (talk) 11:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Speedy Deletion of Draft:Virtue Clan
Hi Wikipedians! Earlier, I have been told that this article could be re-created or speedy deleted. As the article's Draft is totally messed up, I think this article Virtue Clan could be speedy deleted so that I could create a new draft. So kindly help me out on how to suppose this Draft:Virtue Clan to speedy deletion. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 06:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 06:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Jocelin Andrea You made three edits to the draft on 11 May and have not touched it since. I strongly recommend you work on the existing draft, removing bad content, adding good content, but leaving in place the history of the two Declined. Given that the draft was initially suspected of being the product of undeclared paid editing, are you being paid for your attempt to rescue this draft? David notMD (talk) 10:53, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi (talk), I would like to let you know that I am not being Paid to create/edit this article. While reading random articles on Digital Journal, I found an article on the subject and that's it. Also, I would like to create a new article coz the article's Draft has been already messed up totally to be honest. So recommending it to be speedy deleted would be great. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Which criterion in WP:CSD do you believe applies? Because the content of the draft is a mixture of content from you and from the previous contributor, I would feel that neither G5 nor G7 applies. I would therefore endorse the advice from David notMD. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks @David Biddulph, I will recreate the article from the same. Anyways, can we remove the "Paid" mark in the article? That is not a big deal, but just asking if we could do that. Also I would like to know that can we use other language references (Norwegian in here) for the article? Jocelin Andrea (talk) 11:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- By "we", are you working on this with other people? Wikipedia requires that each account is for one person. Or by "we", were you referring to Wikipedia editors who can decide about removing the 'Paid' tag? On that point, given that you have declared (above) not being Paid, then if you can revise the draft to qualify becoming an article, the Reviewer can decide at that time. Non-English citations are allowed. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi again @David notMD, I am the only person editing the Draft:Virtue Clan. It is my habit to text or type usually in plural form, that is the reason why I used "we" instead of "I". Also thanks for letting me know that other language's references can be used. Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Sorting table with empty cells at bottom
I'm trying to make a table where when I sort alphabetically (A->Z), the empty cells should remain at the bottom, while cells with content should go to the top. The only solution I could find is inserting data-sort-value="𐲁"| in each empty line. The problem with this is that when I try to change an empty cell in the visual editor, the sorting preference doesn't go away (and also, it takes too much effort to add it in each empty cell). Is there a better solution to this? Thanks! Krmarci (talk) 07:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
help with review thats been months now
Hello there, I improved my sourcing and would like someone to take a look and offer an opinion on whether it's been improved enough... this draft was already excepted and then was returned to a draft out of the blue. Almost all the sources are huge news websites in Israel and none was paid or is a press relase and this company is traded as well as many people uses its tech. Its been months since the last review and I feel its not fair so I was told to write here, can someone help please? --Shanisun (talk) 07:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC) Shanisun (talk) 07:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome back to the Teahouse, Shanisun. You might feel that it's unfair that your submission hasn't been reviewed yet, but you're being paid to edit whereas the reviewers, like the vast majority of other editors, are volunteers, so I would say that it's unfair for you to expect them to review your submission to a deadline. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:22, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello! Yes I was paid when I worked for but now i'm not and I must say I dont expect anything but its been months and not weeks and I waited till i thought its been long enough. Didnt mean anything by it...
- @Shanisun: Right now the article is not in the review queue. You could add it by placing
{{subst:submit}}
on top of the page, but you would do well to ensure you have addressed the previous criticism before. Are there three reliable, independent sources that discuss the subject at length? If not, the article will not be accepted. TigraanClick here to contact me 07:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- There are more and most of the sources are from the biggest news and econamy sites in Israel. I feel something in the process of this draft isnt going as it should be and i hope you can help.. by the way, I waited since feb this year since a reviewer told me it is in the queue. Shanisun (talk) 09:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Itamar Medical Theroadislong (talk) 08:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think it was in the review queue, Tigraan, it's just that the template was at the bottom of the page. Now it has two of them. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the newer of the two AfCs, so that it will be clear that the submission was in March. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello all, I came here for help and now it seems my draft is under attack... I will try to explain again since im in loss of words and understanding of whats going on...
- Hello all, I came here for help and now it seems my draft is under attack... I will try to explain again since im in loss of words and understanding of whats going on...
- I removed the newer of the two AfCs, so that it will be clear that the submission was in March. David notMD (talk) 10:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I think it was in the review queue, Tigraan, it's just that the template was at the bottom of the page. Now it has two of them. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Itamar Medical is an Israeli company, its now public and also has offices and employees in the states. I wrote the draft and its written in the formal tone and it was approved. Than, it was removed and placed as a draft again due to sources. now, i have almost 30 sources in the draft, all the Israely websites are the biggest sites in Israel and all articels there were written by journalists and none was paid or is a press realease, i.e: ynet, globes, haaretz, TheMarker, walla. How can this be and the draft isnt approved and now there is a new reason of tone? is there something I should know or is it because its an Israeli company? please explain because i really dont understand whats going on here and its been for months now... Shanisun (talk) 08:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello everyone
Constantly targeting the page Hello everyone,
I've recently started contributing to wikipedia. I am trying to learn wikipedia's policies, as much as possible.
I recently created a wikipedia page for an author Nicholas Conn[1]. Since the beginning this user TheWikiholic is trying to created obstacle. They didn't suggest any solid issue or guided me to improve anything. They claimed that I have COI and UDP without any evidence. And now they have nominated the page for deletion even though it qualifies the WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV.
I don't get it, is this normal for other users to attact the pages constantly or any I doing something wrong. I am new and confused with the situation here. Any suggestion are helpful.
Thank you everyone.. Sushant1432 (talk) 08:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sushant1432 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that another editor has raised some legitimate concerns, based on your edits. You haven't done anything wrong per se, other editors discussing an article and its validity are a normal part of the process. You stated on the article talk page that you have been in communication with the organization owned by the person you wrote about- that is indeed a conflict of interest. You also claimed that you took the image placed in the article- which would also suggest a conflict of interest and often indicates that someone is being paid for their contributions. If you are being paid, it's best to be honest about it because declaring paid editing is a Terms of Use requirement. If you are not paid in any way(not just money), okay, but then you will need to address the issues raised and demonstrate in the deletion discussion specifically how the individual meets GNG. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Nicholas Conn". WIkipedia.
- My impression is that you are enthusiastic about Nicholas Conn and his book Draft:The Thin White Line (Nicholas Conn), but not paid nor having a true conflict-of-interest. The beginner's error that triggered suspicion is that for both the article about Conn and for the article about his (self-published?) book, you by-passed creating drafts, instead creating very preliminary articles which you have since labored to backfill. The evaluation at AfD will be on the merits of the article, not any past questions about your connection to the person. While at AfD, you can continue to attempt to improve the article, and comment to this effect at AfD. However, in the end, the decision will rest with an Administrator, who may agree that the references do not establish notability. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Changing a picture
How do I change a picture on a Wikipedia page? KeYhMonneY (talk) 09:05, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Are you talking about the image at Jamhuri Day?- X201 (talk) 09:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello KeYhMonneY, and welcome to the Teahouse! It's annoying, but copyright rules and regs limit what can be used on WP. For example, we can't use pics just because they're on Google/FB/Instagram. The basic assumption is that any random pic you find on Google can't be used because copyright, unless proved otherwise.
- You indicate here the image you want to use. Now, acaict, that image's [2] copyright belongs to the Kenya Defence Forces, and unless they clearly state somewhere that it is "free", WP can't use it. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:43, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you want, you can try to ask for help with finding a better image here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Africa or here Commons:Help desk. Commons is a sister-project where free images are hosted for easy on-WP use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @KeYhMonneY: Sometimes you can look in Wikipedia Commons for other freely-licensed photos in the same category as the one you want to change. In this case, they are held at commons:Category:Military of Kenya. In general, if you click on an image in an article, it should take you to an expanded version and an option (bottom right) to see "more details" which will in turn take you to the page on Commons where the image is stored. Most images are categorised so readers can find related images easily. In this particular case, I didn't see a suitable alternative for the article within Commons and, as already mentioned, you can't upload anything new unless it has a suitable free license. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
formating article export
Hi, can I set the page format for article export (PDF, Book and/or print)? If so, how/where? Simple stuff like font size, position/aspect ratio of tables and frame of the pages, would be cool to set. Can't find it. Thank you Hennk von Muspelsheim (talk) 09:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Hennk von Muspelsheim: I'm pretty sure that there are no options for exporting article except as a pre-formed .pdf or doing a page print to whatever your PC supports for output. However, you may get a better answer if you ask at WP:Village pump (technical), where the IT experts hang out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Draft:AK-xolotl
Hello I am EthanTheVee, my draft --) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AK-xolotl is about a indie game, and there is no reliable source to support my sayings in my article. I personnaly know the dev of the game, and I have permisson to post this article, with confirmed true facts. I am quite new in wikipedia, can someone help me? EthanTheVee (talk) 11:01, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello EthanTheVee, and welcome to the Teahouse! In short, write about the game somewhere else. Without WP:RS that satisfies WP:GNG, WP will not have an article about this game. Perhaps such sources will appear in the future. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, EthanTheVee, welcome to Teahouse! The draft does not have any in-depth independent sources which would be considered reliable. As noted above, it's unlikely that a recently released indie game would have a sufficient number of sources to qualify for a Wikipedia article. Also, the fact that you know the developer personally and edit Wikipedia as a personal favor, constitutes conflict of interest. It's possible to perform COI edits, but there are special procedures for this. Please familiarize yourself with disclosure procedures. If you have any questions about the draft itself, feel free to ask here or ping me anywhere else. Anton.bersh (talk) 11:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @EthanTheVee: It seems like this may be a case of being too soon. You might be able to get something going at FANDOM/Gamepedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Expanding an existing article
Dear friends, I recently visited this "stub article": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonin_Honig It invited readers to expand it by adding more information. As I knew personally the subject of the article (now dead), I added some biographical details. However, each time I tried to add this detail, it was removed again by someone or something within 24h. I don't wish to have an argument as it's not very important, but can you advise me - have I overlooked some aspect of Wiki protocol here?
Honza Giles. Honza Giles (talk) 11:14, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Honza Giles, welcome to Teahouse. Whenever you have a disagreement with another editor, you can discuss it on the article's talk pages. In this case, it is Talk:Antonín_Honig. Are there any reliable sources that would verify the information which you are adding? If you know the subject of the article personally, then you have a conflict of interest, so please familiarize yourself with disclosure process. Anton.bersh (talk) 11:22, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Honza Giles: - I've reverted your additions as you did not provide a reliable source to verify the information you have added. For example, what is the source for their year of birth being in 1906? Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Honza Giles: One example was where you claimed to be "correcting" the spelling, but your edit contradicted the cited reference. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Honza Giles: I looked into one of your edits and you changed the subject's name spelling from Hönig to Honig (with a simple o). From my experience, spelling non-English names in plain English is hard. Such letter simplification can come from technical limitations (encoding, typeset limitation) or lazy implementers. Are you sure this is intentional and not accidental? Anton.bersh (talk) 11:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
How do I know who reviewed a page?
I wanted to draftify a page but it's already reviewed and wanted to discuss with the reviewer first. How do I know who reviewed the page? The page in question is BB5 (film). The sources aren't sufficient but it might become notable in future when it has received more coverage and reviews. So incubating in draft space might be more appropriate. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 12:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that info is kept in public logs. But I don't know, perhaps someone else does. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Nomadicghumakkad. The creator is autopatrolled so there was no review. If there was a review then it could be seen after clicking the "View history" tab, "View logs for this page" at the top, "Review log" and "Patrol log" under "Show additional logs", and finally "Show". The article was created in 2017 when the film was released. It would be odd to draftify it four years later in wait of reviews. People review films when they are released. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks PrimeHunter, I didn't notice the date really. My bad. I reached here after seeing a recently created article of the lead actor and hence assumed that this was a new film. I will apply your feedback on some other articles to see if I am able to do it or not and get back with more questions if any. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Link
I reverted this edit because it looked like it came from an unreliable source (Wiktionary). Would you agree, as it's part of the Wikimedia platform? Thanks. Seahawks4LifeTALK—CONTRIBS 14:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Also, it looks like it's from a non-English Wiktionary, so reverting it was necessary. But I would like to know for the future if the Wikimedia platform is a reliable source. Thanks in advance. Seahawks4LifeTALK—CONTRIBS 14:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that great chunk of untranslated Greek text is of any use either. Princess Persnickety (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question. Seahawks4LifeTALK—CONTRIBS 16:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Seahawks4Life, I agree that Wiktionary is not a reliable source. See WP:UGC. It is also not appropriate to include inline links in the body of an article. I wouldn't describe Wiktionary as the "source" for the statement, though -- I would usually think of the "source" as the article in which the subject was described as "πούττος". In any event, I think the edit was a bad one for a number of reasons, and you were correct to revert it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for the notice; it is a pleasure. Seahawks4LifeTALK—CONTRIBS 17:31, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Seahawks4Life, I agree that Wiktionary is not a reliable source. See WP:UGC. It is also not appropriate to include inline links in the body of an article. I wouldn't describe Wiktionary as the "source" for the statement, though -- I would usually think of the "source" as the article in which the subject was described as "πούττος". In any event, I think the edit was a bad one for a number of reasons, and you were correct to revert it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question. Seahawks4LifeTALK—CONTRIBS 16:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that great chunk of untranslated Greek text is of any use either. Princess Persnickety (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations
Courtesy link: Draft:Exeon Analytics
Hi! Can someone please explain to me what does this mean- The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. My latest submission was declined because of that, and I am not sure what it means since I have a lot of footnotes for article not that long. If that even applies on the number of footnotes. Thank you in advance! POffice1 (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Draft:Exeon Analytics has no inline citations at all. The feedback on the draft (and on your user talk page) has a link to Help:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- POffice1, I urge you to glance at WP:GA, pick a topic that might be related to what you are writing about and see how that article looks compared to your draft. For example Arena (web browser). Among other things, notice how the footnotes are formatted. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:36, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, NOT how references are done at Wikipedia. Refs are placed in the body of the article. The ref program automatically numbers those and shows the ref under ==References==. Instead, you have hyperlinks in the text (with superscripted number) and a number list of URLs under References that does not correspond to the numbers in the article. Lastly, except for simple facts, the company' own website cannot be a reference. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Appropriate way to update a logo of a company on an article?
What is the proper way to go about changing the logo for a company or TV network? Spectrum News 1 NC and a few other SN related articles are using outdated logos, and I want to know if mentioning it on the talk page, or directly changing it is the appropriate way. I'm playing it safe, and I've mentioned it on the talk page of the article already, but would it be acceptable to directly change the logo on the page? Jkrosado (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Jkrosado, go to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard pick "upload non-free", follow instructions, choose "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use." then "This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc." Then boldly change, explaining why in the edit summary. That should work. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have done that, what I meant was the proper way to update the article itself. Would it be acceptable to change it, or add to talk page first? Jkrosado (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- WP:BEBOLD, I say. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I have done that, what I meant was the proper way to update the article itself. Would it be acceptable to change it, or add to talk page first? Jkrosado (talk) 16:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
List of Hindi comedy shows should be deleted/rewritten?
Question is about List of Hindi comedy shows. All of the serials' have there own separate article and the article is not well written and possibly not notable. Should that article be deleted/rewritten? ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 15:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- ExclusiveEditor, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, I think that is a very poor-quality article. I don't know that it needs to be deleted but at a minimum I would recommend that it be rewritten to have a format more like List of American television programs. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Notability
How do I tell if a subject is notable or not? Like, there have been articles written about it but it's mostly reviews, does that count? Stevenruidigao (talk) 15:37, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- To learn about notability, please read WP:Notability. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you're more specific, we can also answer in specific about that particular case. I'm not sure what type of "reviews" you mean. If it's a film or television show and the review is in a national, well-read, non-tabloid newspaper—yes, that's exactly what we're looking for. If it's a review from a tabloid or a user-generated source (like an Amazon review of a product) then that's not a reliable source. When evaluating if a source is reliable, think to yourself: what makes me certain that the person writing this knows what they're talking about, and how could I prove that to somebody else? — Bilorv (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I mean like Forbes and Tom's Hardware. Does that count? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenruidigao (talk • contribs) 00:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Why was my edit reversed and with no explanation
I have read a whole bunch of documentation to be an informed user and made a careful edit to Jung Hye-in. It was reversed without any explanation, just “ Restored revision 1027470998 by Aoowassana (talk) undo Tags: Undo Twinkle”. The whole article had only one sentence before my edit. I was going to work on making it much better with more edits like this, but it looks like there’s no point. 108.29.132.185 (talk) 16:08, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you're talking about this edit, it was reverted because her role in Sisyphus: The Myth is already included in § Television series. Kleinpecan (talk) 16:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi. Thank you for replying. I am sorry but that is not an explanation I can take much from. It doesn't tell me why the reversal was made without explanation. Also b/c it didn't have an explanation, aren't you guessing the person's reason? How do you know that was the reason? If it is right I don't think it is legitimate. My edit has a lot of information the cell doesn't have. My edit is in writing and is not a chart cell. My edit has a better reference. I looked at many other articles on actresses and they says things in detail about the shows and the characters in the writing and also have a chart of the listing in cells. Both. They aren't the same things. So I will not write any more. But I was going to make it good.-108.29.132.185 (talk) 17:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- "Aren't you guessing the person's reason?"—well, yeah, kinda. Let's ping Paper9oll (who reverted your edits) and ask them. Kleinpecan (talk) 18:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kleinpecan: Yes, what you are saying is correct. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kleinpecan: I have further improved the lead section with minor details, if that is what IP is looking for. What IP included is overly detailed for lead section, maybe IP was referring to career section of other K-actress/actor article. So ya ... that's the answer. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 01:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Kleinpecan: Yes, what you are saying is correct. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 00:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- "Aren't you guessing the person's reason?"—well, yeah, kinda. Let's ping Paper9oll (who reverted your edits) and ask them. Kleinpecan (talk) 18:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi. Thank you for replying. I am sorry but that is not an explanation I can take much from. It doesn't tell me why the reversal was made without explanation. Also b/c it didn't have an explanation, aren't you guessing the person's reason? How do you know that was the reason? If it is right I don't think it is legitimate. My edit has a lot of information the cell doesn't have. My edit is in writing and is not a chart cell. My edit has a better reference. I looked at many other articles on actresses and they says things in detail about the shows and the characters in the writing and also have a chart of the listing in cells. Both. They aren't the same things. So I will not write any more. But I was going to make it good.-108.29.132.185 (talk) 17:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Draft submission declined: Fairline Yachts Ltd help with understanding why?
Hello
I have had an AfC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fairline_Yachts_Ltd submission declined because of (lack of?) Corporate Notability. Please could I be advised on how I can improve the page to avoid this happening? I do not understand why the Fairline Boats page is still on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairline_Boats when this company ceased to exist in 2015. Also it is confusing that there is a link to a non-existent Wiki page for the new company (the one that I drafted an AfC for) on the Fairline Boats page but this link does not actually go anywhere. Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks Cobalt6789 (talk) 16:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- The reviewer stated that the article was from the company's viewpoint. It needs independent reliable sources. TigerScientist Chat > contribs 16:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- In answer to your question about Fairline Boats: this is an encyclopaedia, not a business directory. If Fairline Boats met Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then it does so for all time, whether it is current or historical. If Fairline Yachts does not meet those criteria, then there cannot at present be an article about it, though it may later come to meet the criteria, and an article could then be written. (I do not know whether either of the companies meet those criteria: I haven't checked. I wanted to make the general point). --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Is it possible to put in a request for an experienced contributor to create a new Wikipedia entry?
Hi,
I run a children's science magazine called Whizz Pop Bang that has been published every month since Aug 2015 (we're on Issue 71!). Many other newer magazines with smaller distributions have their own Wiki pages but not this one :(
As someone who has an interest in the magazine and who has never edited a Wiki entry, it doesn't feel right for me to create the page. Is there a mechanism for putting in a request for someone to create a page about the magazine? It has 20,000 loyal and loving subscribers, mostly in the UK but also internationally too.
The website is: https://www.whizzpopbang.com
Thanks for any help and advice you can give. RedFoxMonster (talk) 16:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello RedFoxMonster and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for asking first, that will save you time and effort. Yes, there is such a place, WP:REQUEST, but it's very backlogged and you'd have to be quite lucky. However, per WP rules, existing is not enough, see this link: WP:GNG, that is your first hurdle. Do you have 3-5 sources, that are at the same time independent of the magazine (and you, etc), reliably published (no blogs, wikis etc etc) and about the magazine in some detail? Articles about it on BBC, Times etc would be excellent. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:31, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Like this: [3]. Do you have a few more? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the speedy response! The following sources aren't as high-calibre as the Guardian but would they be enough?...
- https://www.teachwire.net/products/product-review-whizz-pop-bang-magazine
- https://www.rockthecotswolds.com/rockers/all-the-rockers/whizz-pop-bang-magazine/
- https://www.theschoolrun.com/best-educational-magazines-for-children
- https://startups.co.uk/startups-awards/peoples-champion-finalist-2018-whizz-pop-bang/
- https://www.teachwire.net/news/teach-primary-awards-2019-finalists-announced
Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedFoxMonster (talk • contribs) 16:50, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- I'll respond at your talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
For the interested, Whizz Pop Bang. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Expanding an existing article (cont.)
Thank you anton.berg, david biddulph and lugnuts, for your helpful replies to my earlier query. My "reliable source" for the biographical details was in fact a relative of the subject of the article. However, following your advice, I shall try to obtain some written sources. Would a personal document such as the scan of a passport or death certificate be acceptable evidence - and if so, how does one refer to a source like that in a Wiki article?
Honza Giles. Honza Giles (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Honza Giles, No, unfortunately these sorts of sources are not acceptable. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so it summarizes knowledge that has already been published elsewhere in reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I would recommend looking for old newspaper articles to see if any contain this biographical information. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Publication
How to move a page from draft to publication ? and what if the sources for some certain information is not available but that information is accepted by general public! are we allowed to publish it? Bamboo69 (talk) 17:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Bamboo69, hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You can type {{subst:submit}} in the code editor of your draft to submit it for review for publication. What do you mean by "not available" for the second question? As a general matter, you should have a source for any fact you include in an article. By the way, have you had another account before? Judging by your editing pattern, you are not a new user. If you are a paid editor, you have to disclose that on your userpage. See WP:PAID. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for guiding, No i am not a paid editor, and i am aware about the guidelines for paid editing, i have had an account back in 2015 for just a few days for an academic project.
Grammar
Hello, I am DantzK I Have something very important when it comes to an article when it comes to grammar why are you not fixing the grammar? You need to make it simple, for other readers. DantzK (talk) 17:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, DantzK. Go ahead and fix it yourself. If the article is protected, then make an Edit request on the article's talk page. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:59, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Admin rules
Hello! I just started here at Wikipedia, and I was wondering how long it takes to get admin rights. Thanks!
L1RMEYEDU L1RMEYEDU (talk) 17:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, L1RMEYEDU. There are no formal minimum requirements, but as a practical matter, an editor is expected to have well over a year of service, thousands of productive edits, good content creation, and a strong record of assisting with the administration of Wikipedia behind the scenes. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @L1RMEYEDU: Admins are very experienced users who are only appointed after a successful request for adminship (there are currently 2 right now). It usually takes a few years and many thousands of edits to become an administrator, and they have to show a clear understanding of policy, as well as a need for the tools. As you have only been here a few days and have made around 11 edits, you don't meet the requirements right now. — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 17:57, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, L1RMEYEDU, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. One of the questions that will come up if you put yourself forward to be an admin is "What exactly is it that you want to do for Wikipedia that you need admin rights for?" I have been an editor for sixteen years, and made 19 thousand edits, and I have never applied to be an admin, because there's nothing that I want to do for Wikipedia that I can't do. --ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
How can I edit more to then create my wiki?
Theshowishere (talk) 18:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Theshowishere: A Wiki is a type of website, Wikipedia is one example of. If you want to create a new Wikipedia article, you can in theory start that proccess right now by starting to read WP:YFA. Please be advised that creating a new article is one of the harder tasks around here, so if you want to gain a bit (or much) more practive in editing here, thats not a problem. The Task Center has ideas. Maybe you also want to ask a WikiProject in your topic for ideas. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Theshowishere, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree with what Victor has said: for almost all new editors, they can add much more value to Wikipedia by improving some of our six million existing articles than by plunging straight into the extremely difficult task of creating a new article; and also save themself a lot of frustration and misery. One more point: if by "my wiki" you mean "A Wikipedia article about myself", then please read autobiography to discover why that is a very very bad idea even when you are more experienced. --ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Is my article notable?
I am an intern for a breakfast brunch and lunch restaurant with 20 locations. What qualifies us to be notable, and what are the steps I can take to create an article for my business? Berrichetti (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- For information on notability, read WP:Notability. Given your role, you need to read about conflict of interest and you must make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- As mentioned above, a subject requres multiple in-depth independent references to be notable. Also, please note that Wikipedia articles should not promote their subjects. For reference, this page has some articles about restaurants. Given your COI, I'd recommend disclosing your relationship with the subject and creating your article in Draft space. That way you can ask some experienced users for feedback and it won't be deleted as spam). Anton.bersh (talk) 21:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- One thing to realize, Berrichetti, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Only if you can find such independent sources will an article be possible (that is basically what the notability criterion is about). Also bear in mind that if you succeed in getting an article about your business accepted, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say. See An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Pessi (social media)
Hello. I made this draft. I just want some opinion; with the sources on this draft, do you think WP:GNG can be met? I'm not even sure I will move this to mainspace anytime soon but before I start putting a lot of effort into this I would like to know if it has a chance to meet GNG (or not) or whether it already does. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:22, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to Teahouse, Paul Vaurie. Most of the sources are in French, so I can't evaluate their quality. However, I see that 7 sources are just dropped into the article after word "Here" without explanation. Do you plan to add more content summarizing these sources or using these sources elsewhere in the article? Also, this article seems to mostly focus on harassment, so I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Harassment. To be clear: Wikipedia does have articles on tough topics like harassment, crimes, disasters, deaths, and many others, but authors of these articles have to handle the topics with due diligence. Anton.bersh (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the sources with "here" is because I found several sources but I just didn't incorporate them into the article as I didn't continue improving it. Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Just made my first article about Roy F Guzmán a Composer from Puerto Rico
About my article
I would like to make my article pass the test of examination in order to publish it. I am having trouble and I would like some help because it seems I correctly filled all the available information and I have seen articles that have less reinforcement information than mine in Wikipedia. Royguzrod (talk) 21:18, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Draft:Roy F. Guzmán
- Welcome to Teahouse, Royguzrod. Please always link pages that you are talking about so that others can find them easily. All articel subjects are evaluated for WP:Notability separately. The fact that one page exists or does not mean that another should or should not (here are details). If you think an article does not meet notability standard, you can nominate it for deletion (and please do because Wikipedia is run by volunteers who can't check every single article). I agree with the assesment of the reviewer that right now the draft has "zero independent sources". All sources appear to be published directly by the subject of the article. (And there are no in-line citations). Anton.bersh (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- e/c You have not submitted your draft for review yet, but it has zero independent sources, so zero chance of being accepted. A Wikipedia article should summarize only what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how (in this case) it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Theroadislong (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Also, Royguzrod, your username gives the impression that you are Guzmán: if so, you should read why autobiography is very strongly discouraged in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Most people find it very hard to forget what they know about themselves, and write based only on what people who don't know them have published about them. --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Royguzrod: In addition to the above, Wikipedia takes copyright vary seriously. Doubly so, given that a substantial portion of the article's content is a direct copy from the biography page of the subject's own web site. I have tagged the article for speedy deletion for the copyright issues, but given the lack of independent sourcing, that's hardly the only problem with the article. --Finngall talk 23:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- After the expected Speedy deletion, which means all of the draft will disappear, any attempt at a new draft should not have any quotes by Guzman. David notMD (talk) 01:41, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Royguzrod: In addition to the above, Wikipedia takes copyright vary seriously. Doubly so, given that a substantial portion of the article's content is a direct copy from the biography page of the subject's own web site. I have tagged the article for speedy deletion for the copyright issues, but given the lack of independent sourcing, that's hardly the only problem with the article. --Finngall talk 23:33, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Highlighted topics.
I lost the capability to get an expanded explanation when I hovered my cursor over a highlighted subject. Nothing happens now when I hover.... is there a remedy, I miss that option
}} 104.228.16.56 (talk) 22:37, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- 104.228.16.56, in your Preferences, under Gadgets, select Navigation popups--Quisqualis (talk) 23:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Unregistered users can't enable gadgets, so I doubt that's the reason. Kleinpecan (talk) 23:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- Did you perhaps disable them accidentally? At the very bottom of a page, on the line with links to the privacy policy, "About Wikipedia", disclaimers etc., there is an "Edit preview settings" link. Kleinpecan (talk) 23:26, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Renault Sport and Renault Formula One have been merged and re-branded as Alpine. Help me do the same with the respective Wikipedia pages?
Hi. Renault just moved its Renault Sport and Formula One team under its Alpine business unit (the result of its 1971 acquisition of Automobiles Alpine), effectively glomming them together and re-branding both them. That leaves a lot of clean-up and disambiguation to be done on Wikipedia.
Some references:
- Renault Sport has changed its name to Alpine
- Renault will rename its Formula 1 team after its Alpine brand for the 2021 season
- Starting from the 2021 season, Groupe Renault’s team becomes Alpine F1 Team
- Renault Sport becomes Alpine Cars as a major step in Renault Group’s reorganization
- From 2021 onwards, the Renault F1 Team will go through as the AlpineF1 Team
There's already an up-to-date Wikipedia article on the Alpine F1 Team, which might usefully reference the newly-created sibling "Alpine Cars" group, or the parent "Alpine business unit" of Renault.
There's an article on Renault in Formula One to which I've just added some references and clarified the transition a little, but it doesn't mention the organizational structure under which the team exists, nor the relationship with the Alpine business unit.
There's an article on Renault Sport which should be moved to Alpine Cars with a referral.
There's an article on Automobiles Alpine which mentions the merger.
There's also a press release from Renault which goes into some detail about all of this, and uses the names "Alpine cars, Renault Sport Cars (RSC) and Renault Sport Racing (RSR)" to describe the entities. On the one hand, those could be considered canonical; on the other hand, they might change again tomorrow.
The one time I tried to move a page before, I screwed it up and had to be bailed out. Does someone want to either talk me through this so I don't screw it up, or take this on? Thanks. Bill Woodcock (talk) 22:47, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm (almost) at edit war with Asoftchsolutions
For a few edits now, Asoftchsolutions and 103.163.58.98 have been adding links to asoftechsolutionsllc.com which I was reverting because I do not consider these additions valid. To me, these additions appeared aimed at promoting the company (describing the company as "Best website and app development company" coupled with the similarity of the user name and the domain name). I left two messages for this user (on Talk:Outline of web design and web development and User talk:Asoftchsolutions), but so far did not receive a reply. I read WP:DISPUTE, but frankly, I'm not sure how I can resolve a dispute with someone who does not engage in discussion and just pushes their own edits. Anton.bersh (talk) 23:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Anton.bersh, thanks for noticing that account. WP:DISPUTE is aimed primarily at conflicts where both parties are editing in good faith but just disagree. When an account is clearly operating in bad faith and WP:NOT HERE to help us build an encyclopedia, such as here with an account inserting spam links, a different set of rules apply. For these accounts, the typical response is to give them a warning on their talk page, as was done by @Quisqualis, and to then report the account to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism if they persist, which Quisqualis also did. The only thing left to do now is wait until an administrator comes along to block them, which should happen shortly. You can revert any further edits they make without worry, as the normal restrictions against edit warring don't apply when combatting spam accounts.
- If you're interested in helping more with combatting vandalism, you may want to check out the counter-vandalism unit or try out the WikiLoop DoubleCheck tool. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 01:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Asoftchsolutions now blocked. 103.163.58.98 (possibly Asoftchsolutions, not signed in) has been warned. David notMD (talk) 01:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanations. Outline of web design and web development still gets a bunch of non-constructive edits from fresh accounts, but they are being reverted by other long-time editors. The level of vandalism right now probably does not need any special attention, but thanks for the tips. Anton.bersh (talk) 10:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Asoftchsolutions now blocked. 103.163.58.98 (possibly Asoftchsolutions, not signed in) has been warned. David notMD (talk) 01:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Editing pages
hi. I was looking at this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_games . I cannot find my own game on there, so I wanted to add it. But I can't edit the page. Am I missing a way to edit the table on the page? Androiddev-sff (talk) 23:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Androiddev-sff: Welcome to the Teahouse. List articles host articles about games that are notable by Wikipedia's standards. If your game is notable enough to warrant its article, then it can go on the page, but that's something that should be determined first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I waded in to do a little copyediting, and the quicksand appears to have reached my bellybutton...
So, I picked this article pretty much at random from the list of those that needed copyediting, figuring I'd just do a little cleaning up.
But of course, it's more complicated than that. Nominally, the article is about a building. A residence. Which has changed hands many times; at a dizzying pace, lately, in fact. The British register of historical buildings thinks it's notable, and it's been cataloged in excruciating detail, which is reproduced in the article verbatim, copied-and-pasted from an un-cited source, which I surmise to be an un-published monograph, referencing nonexistent figures, etc. Lots of
South-east façade, symmetrical with central entrance; 5 bay with fenestration 2:1:1:1:2. South-west façade, also symmetrical with 5 bays and fenestration 2:2:1:2:2. Hipped Welsh slate roof with rendered stacks. Devonian limestone ashlar with pilasters carrying entablature and parapet, plain 1st floor band. Architraved sash windows with glazing bars.
ad nauseam. So, I set about boiling all that down a bit, to just the more pertinent bits.
Then I got to the second half of the article, which is a britophile heraldic litany just as bad as the preceding drone of architectural minutia. Also undoubtedly copied-and-pasted from some dusty tome.
So, which is it? Is this article about a building which is notable for its architecture (which is admittedly a hodge-podge of only-moderately-thought-out renovations), or is it notable for its inhabitants (who were, many of them, sufficiently notable to be included in indexes of British landholders, but not, by and large, sufficiently notable to be otherwise much mentioned, beyond the son of the founder of the Singer sewing machine company, who was, himself, merely notable for being an early example of a modern failson. (Oh, wait! Edited to add the salacious detail that his non-bio-mom had his dad arrested for bigamy!) Or should the whole darned thing be marked for deletion, as not meeting GNG? I note that there's not an SNG for architecture.
I'm kinda lost on what direction to take this clean-up, or whether to, well... When I was a kid, I'd sometimes pick up a rock on the beach or wherever, and ask my dad (who enjoyed geology) what it was, and often as not, he'd say "It's leaverite. Leave 'er right there where you found 'er." Is this leaverite? Bill Woodcock (talk) 23:53, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- WP:TNT? CanadianOtaku Talk Page 00:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, maybe? I mean, one could propose a deletion, and see if anyone cares enough to come out of the woodwork. Or I could re-write the darned thing from scratch, though I honestly don't care enough about the topic to do a worthy job (I care a lot about architecture, but this particular pile of, uh, "Devonian limestone ashlar and Welsh slate" seems profoundly uninteresting), and the principal question would remain: if this building is notable, is it notable in and of itself, or notable because of the people who've inhabited it? The conundrum being that, to me, it seems clearly not notable on either account, yet the British register of historic buildings disagrees, and clearly a whole pile of fanboys have disagreed over many centuries. Bill Woodcock (talk) 00:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Burn it. Not clear if the purported notability is for the estate, the building, or the people who lived there. He history of the article appears to have been started with the people, then different editor added all the building description. David notMD (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, maybe? I mean, one could propose a deletion, and see if anyone cares enough to come out of the woodwork. Or I could re-write the darned thing from scratch, though I honestly don't care enough about the topic to do a worthy job (I care a lot about architecture, but this particular pile of, uh, "Devonian limestone ashlar and Welsh slate" seems profoundly uninteresting), and the principal question would remain: if this building is notable, is it notable in and of itself, or notable because of the people who've inhabited it? The conundrum being that, to me, it seems clearly not notable on either account, yet the British register of historic buildings disagrees, and clearly a whole pile of fanboys have disagreed over many centuries. Bill Woodcock (talk) 00:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- The article is purportedly about a house. I've removed most of its content, as not being about the house. I think there's scope for plenty more removal of content. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've just whacked out a bunch more, and then added internal links to the pages of the historical notable owners. Good enough for now? Bill Woodcock (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- MUCH better. And given that the original creator is indef blocked, and the other major contributor stopped contributing in 2017, unlikely that there will be any champions for massive reverts. Now, find articles that need improvement and get more than five views per day. David notMD (talk) 10:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I've just whacked out a bunch more, and then added internal links to the pages of the historical notable owners. Good enough for now? Bill Woodcock (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
How did I get here?
Listen, man. I don't know how I got here. All I did was type some mumbo-jumbo on Google and click some blue words. Now I'm here. From what I gather, this is like a hidden page for Wikipedia editors or something? I've been going from page to page for an hour and it's just so cool-- seeing all these things that I feel like I shouldn't be able to see. Anyways, I'm probably just out of my mind right now 2601:482:1:28B0:3960:AB75:228A:186F (talk) 03:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, IP user! This is a forum for new Wikipedia users to ask questions about editing here – it's definitely not hidden! Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 03:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Every article has behind-the-scene stuff. Just click on Talk or View history. For the latter, clicking on the date for any of the list items shows what the article looked like on that date. David notMD (talk) 10:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
SVGs
Anyone know of any users that are good at making vector graphics? Looking for someone to make an SVG of File:OK Kosher logo.jpg. JediMasterMacaroni (Talk) 03:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, JediMasterMacaroni! I've marked the image page with
{{Should be SVG|logo}}
, so hopefully someone might come across it there. Bsoyka (talk · contribs) 03:27, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome, JediMasterMacaroni. I just re-drew it for you (it's at File:OK_Kosher_logo.svg) and replaced the instance on the OK Kosher Certification page. Note that I matched the color of the jpeg, so if that wasn't accurate, it may need some fine-tuning. Which I'm happy to do, if you (or Shlomke) want to do a little detective work; I can take that as a PMS number or an RGB value. Bill Woodcock (talk) 07:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @JediMasterMacaroni: For future reference, WP:GL is where such queries usually go. TigraanClick here to contact me 09:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Bwoodcock for drawing it, and Tigraan for the info. JediMasterMacaroni (Talk) 16:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @JediMasterMacaroni: For future reference, WP:GL is where such queries usually go. TigraanClick here to contact me 09:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome, JediMasterMacaroni. I just re-drew it for you (it's at File:OK_Kosher_logo.svg) and replaced the instance on the OK Kosher Certification page. Note that I matched the color of the jpeg, so if that wasn't accurate, it may need some fine-tuning. Which I'm happy to do, if you (or Shlomke) want to do a little detective work; I can take that as a PMS number or an RGB value. Bill Woodcock (talk) 07:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Where is the place to trade article nominations?
Hello, I have a GAN and I want to trade it by reviewing another GAN from another user. Where is the proper forum to do that?
- @Jeromi Mikhael: I recommend asking at Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations RudolfRed (talk) 04:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Need to know the Difference between Secondary and Primary Sources.
Hi Wikipedians!! So, I have got my Draft Virtue Clan reviewed. But I have been said that the article only has primary resources. I have read the links, but I am not clear with what that does mean. Please do help me with this. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 05:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 05:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jocelin Andrea: There's more information at WP:PRIMARY (and by extension, WP:SECONDARY). Reliable sources you use should be independent from the subject, and shouldn't have any conflicts of interest that would undermine their reliability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jocelin Andrea:, you reference a GQ article, but the article does not actually mention your subject. The Market Watch citation is just an un-edited reprint of your press release. The podcast is, arguably, a secondary source, as it's an interview with your principal, but it's a single source. Search engines don't really reveal any secondary sources; only your LinkedIn page, your press release, and your own web site; all primary sources. Bill Woodcock (talk) 07:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Question about page merge
Hi, I've been going over the Application Security and Web Application Security pages. They were full of outdated information and some information that I assume to be mostly of commercial nature (I teach this topic at an University in Vienna, Austria and hope that i do know enough of this topic, hopefully thats true).
Now when looking at Application Security and Web Application Security, they are highly redundant. Esp. the Web Application Security Page has some semi-relevant content that is already included in the linked OWASP page.
What I'd do is to remove the Web Application Security page, move most of the non-redundant content into a "Web Application Security" section in the "Application Security" page (and redirect to that). I'd throw away the existing "Best practices recommendation" and "Security standards" sections as the benefit is not clear and they are redundant to better content in "Application Security". "Security Technology" and "See Also" would be merged with the corresponding sections in "Application Security", this will remove approx. 50-75% of that content as it is already described in more detail within the other page.
Is this too excessive? I just went through the whole "information security" parts of the wiki, that parts might need some editorial work (which I can do from time to time). I do not have that much experience with wikipedia-editing, so I wanted to get some feedback first (to prevent cleanup work after mine) Andreashappe (talk) 07:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Andreashappe: While I am in no way an expert on the topic, your suggestion to merge Web application security into Application security seems very reasonable to me.
- The main option would be to just go through with your changes and see if someone objects. This is the recommended course of action whenever you intend a change that is not likely to be controversial, and what I would do. (Do ask another question if you are unsure about the technicalities of how to do redirects etc.)
- You could also formally propose a merge. There are templates to fill etc. but just leaving a note on the talk pages of both articles would already be a good step for that. However, there is a substantial risk that nobody will comment on the proposal, considering that it is a fairly technical topic, which is why I would recommend just doing it. TigraanClick here to contact me 09:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
What is solid policy on Wiki respecting different language and culture?
I was wondering this for a long time, what policy Wiki follows on different language writing styles and cultural values? For example, I have seen there is a warning that appears when you try to edit a British language version, while there are also some warning that appears when editing an old article that is culturally believed, for example, calling something in a specific way, editing that triggers the warning and is reverted back to the previous form. However, I have also seen many articles which require prefix or postfix but they are not allowed. So I would like to ask what is a solid policy that we can tag or cite during these edits? Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman (talk) 07:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think the policy you are referring to with regards to honorifics or titles is described here in part, at least. Regarding which version of the English language(i.e. British, American, Australian, Indian) to use in an article, please see this policy; in general, it depends on the topic. 331dot (talk) 07:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- There is also the broader MOS:HONORIFIC. Regarding "respecting", WP:CODI can be related. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I have some examples that come in the same policy shared above Ram Singh Kuka where it says Guru Gobind Singh Ji where "Guru" and "Ji" are both honorifics, or take an example of Guru Tegh Bahadur There are many references in this article with "Guru" "Shahi" "Ji" and many others all of it are honorifics, there are other millions of example which can be easily found on Wiki, either an organization has solid single policy for everyone or it allows everyone isn't it true?
- Single policies usually cannot be applied rigidly in isolation. We also have a policy of using, as article titles, the name by which subjects are most commonly known by English speakers globally (since this is the English-language Wikipedia), even if they are not the official or even strictly accurate names. If (for example) a person is most commonly known by a name that includes one or more honorifics, that is the form of the name we should use. Determining whether this is so or not is something that has to be discussed and decided on a case-by-case basis. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 14:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Then is there a way to discuss honorifics? for a different area of the wiki do we have to use specific talk pages or there any bigger pages, like teahouse where it can be discussed globally?
Getting twinkle
Hello, I've read the Wikipedia:Twinkle page, but I'm not understanding how to get it. Can you please show me the steps Shabib (talk)
- Hello Shabib20, welcome to the Teahouse, to install twinkle, you need to go to this page and use command/ctrl f to find the checkbox for twinkle, then simply check the box and twinkle should be installed for you. -Justiyaya (talk) 08:09, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
What exactly constitutes SIGCOV?
Hello hosts! I need clarification on SIGCOV, what exactly amounts to SIGCOV? Because the examples given at WP:GNG leave a gap in the middle for what can be considered SIGCOV and some editors seem to apply it in different ways. So what is the minimum exactly? 1 paragraph? 2? 100 words? 300? Feature length article? Help please. Princess of Ara(talk) 09:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- If in doubt, discuss it on the talk page of the article about which you are concerned. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for this suggestion. I looked through the archives and found so many perspectives. Princess of Ara(talk) 13:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Unfortunately, that is highly context-dependent, and the gap in the guideline is likely intentional. The criteria given at WP:GNG, "no original research is needed to extract the content", is probably as detailed as you are going to get.
- I would like to offer a precision though: the sources used to show notability are not the only ones you can use to write the article. I would say (others might correct me) that the rule of thumb would be whether you can write a useful (if short) article using only what you have in GNG-level sources, and if so, you are then allowed inputs from other sources (provided they are reliable, etc.).
- For example, Magnus Carlsen (the current world chess champion) is notable because he has been covered in numerous articles from the general press, but the vast majority of the article is sourced to specialized chess websites that would probably be WP:ROUTINE coverage of tournaments (hence, not GNG-quality).
- Do you have a specific article/draft in mind? TigraanClick here to contact me 09:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. Your explanation makes and I've had the same Idea at the back of my mind but some editors look for more of the length of the article. The draft in mind is Draft:Uzor Arukwe. Thank you! Princess of Ara(talk) 09:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Princess of Ara, Let the record reflect that I have declined it at AFC. AFAIK, WP:SIGCOV has nothing to do with length of the article in question (correct me if I’m wrong if that isn’t what you were referring to) rather WP:SIGCOV has to do with the sources and not the “length of the article per se” a tip; when using sources, avoidance of sources that point to a WP:TOOSOON might be a good idea. Sources with “10 ten actors to watch out for in 2020” or any sources with the title along those lines might be a good idea. Using WP:OFFLINE sources too is a good idea. Celestina007 (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I knew you were going to show up at some point. Thank you for being ever so consistent. The only reference SIGCOV makes to the content is that it
addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content
. It doesn’t say anything about the title pointing to TOOSOON. That aside, I agree that the subject does not exactly have significant coverage and struggles to meet GNG but even TOOSOON saysthat even in cases where a person might not meet the GNG, the GNG itself is not the final word. Editors are encouraged to also consider the topic-specific notability sub-criteria
He meets at least #1 of the SNG for actors having had significant (named) roles in multiple notable movies except you’re saying the GNG is a must. Princess of Ara(talk) 06:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- I knew you were going to show up at some point. Thank you for being ever so consistent. The only reference SIGCOV makes to the content is that it
- @Princess of Ara, Let the record reflect that I have declined it at AFC. AFAIK, WP:SIGCOV has nothing to do with length of the article in question (correct me if I’m wrong if that isn’t what you were referring to) rather WP:SIGCOV has to do with the sources and not the “length of the article per se” a tip; when using sources, avoidance of sources that point to a WP:TOOSOON might be a good idea. Sources with “10 ten actors to watch out for in 2020” or any sources with the title along those lines might be a good idea. Using WP:OFFLINE sources too is a good idea. Celestina007 (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response. Your explanation makes and I've had the same Idea at the back of my mind but some editors look for more of the length of the article. The draft in mind is Draft:Uzor Arukwe. Thank you! Princess of Ara(talk) 09:30, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Request to review draft article
Greeting Wikipedia family, I have submitted my article through the AFC process. I am here seeking your kind support to check and review my article if there anything I should improve.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Khmer_Beverages Lorheng (talk) 10:06, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I rewrote the lead to delete brand names. In my opinion, the content and refs do not establish that the company meets Wikipedia's concept of corporate notability. See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). David notMD (talk) 10:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
deleting text box
Can someone advise me please how to delete the text box at the top of the article I have edited that has now addressed all the concerns about references and citing sources? The instruction page mentions deleting the relevant codes but I cannot see any when I go into the edit action. Trish TrishLudgate (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- The article does not have properly formatted inline citations. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you look back to the version prior to your edits this month you will see that the references were correctly cited, but you have removed those citations. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Roger Woodward has been more than tripled in length. Paragraph after paragraph contain unreferenced details. TrishLudgate has a deep knowledge of Woodward's career, but has not addressed whether this is because of a personal or professional connection, i.e., WP:COI or WP:PAID. The "Selected" lists of accomplishments appear to list every performance, recording, interview, publication, etc. Throughout, there is a lot of name-dropping. In my opinion the article would be better for having its current length halved. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Much of the material appears to be sourced to "National Library Australia, Roger Woodward Collection MS 10379". I am guessing that this is the collected papers of Roger Woodward, in the collection of the National Library Australia. As such, that would all be unpublished material, not suitable for use as a reference. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- As a more trivial observation, it might be useful to expand the lede paragraph somewhat with some details summarised from the main text. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Much of the material appears to be sourced to "National Library Australia, Roger Woodward Collection MS 10379". I am guessing that this is the collected papers of Roger Woodward, in the collection of the National Library Australia. As such, that would all be unpublished material, not suitable for use as a reference. David notMD (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Roger Woodward has been more than tripled in length. Paragraph after paragraph contain unreferenced details. TrishLudgate has a deep knowledge of Woodward's career, but has not addressed whether this is because of a personal or professional connection, i.e., WP:COI or WP:PAID. The "Selected" lists of accomplishments appear to list every performance, recording, interview, publication, etc. Throughout, there is a lot of name-dropping. In my opinion the article would be better for having its current length halved. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Separate pages for Japanese Breakfast and Michelle Zauner
In Talk:Japanese Breakfast, multiple users have brought up that Michelle Zauner should have a separate page due to Japanese Breakfast being more of a band now than a solo project, as well as Michelle's previous/current membership in other music projects, and her careers in both music video directing and as an author, all of which are separate from Japanese Breakfast the band.
There is a draft for an individual article at Draft:Michelle Zauner, however it did not pass AfC due to some of the information in it overlapping with the page for Japanese Breakfast. The reason there is overlapping info is because it would be irresponsible to remove this information specific to Zauner from the band page until this article is approved.
How should I go about this? Memories of (talk) 10:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Memories of. If there is enough independent published material about Zauner specifically to establish that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then there can be an article on her, based on those sources - whether or not some of the material is duplicated in the article on the band is irrelevant. If there are not sources that establish that she meets those criteria, then she is not (yet) notable for her solo career, and there cannot be a separate article on her. --ColinFine (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Can I name a battle?
Hi, I have been improving the article Bairam Khan, who was a prominent military leader of the Mughal Empire. He participated in several named battles, but the battle that took place when he rebelled against the Mughal Empire has not been named anywhere. Interestingly, I have found three reliable sources mentioning the battle, two of which gave many details as well. We know the name of the village and city near which the battle was fought, so would it be appropriate to name it on the village or the city? The battle was an important event and has been described in considerable detail. Uchiha Madara 17 (talk) 10:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Uchiha Madara 17: You shouldn't give it a proper name. For proper names, we rely on reliable sources; if no RSes give a proper name then you should refrain from making one up. However, you can refer to it as the battle near XYZ, or something like that. 106.201.110.52 (talk) 12:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok, then I shall call it 'Battle near Gunecur' (the named village near which it was fought). Uchiha Madara 17 (talk) 17:04, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- This sounds like a cool discovery. Might I suggest reaching out to a military historian/a historian of the Mughal Empire, and asking if they know of a name for that battle? They might be able to point you to a source where it has been given a name. If not, they might decide to give it a name themselves (or adopt whatever name you've chosen) and then use that name in a reliable source, in which case you can use it on Wikipedia! - Astrophobe (talk) 17:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Copy and paste
Don'r let the title fool you, I know about copyright and all that. I was wondering if for large repitive tasks involving articles could you use a base template and fill it in with the nessaccary information. For example if I took the article Andrew J. Widick and wanted to make the article Francis A. Wilson could you take whats written in Andrew J. Widick and swap the required info. Is this allowed or frowned upon. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 12:39, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- You could use the layout of one article as a guide for another. You could use a template such as an infobox found in one article in a similar fashion in another article. There's no problem in doing such a thing. However, you might want to read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists and Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability because even though you format an article exactly the same way as another article, the subject will still need to be Wikipedia notable for the article to survive a deletion challenge. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging Gandalf the Groovy for the message above. GeraldWL 14:24, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- I believe that in practice editors not infrequently do this. However, to avoid problems while working on the partially-altered draft, it might be a good idea to copy the exemplum article into an off-Wiki text reader on your own device, and make all the alterations there, before copying the result back into an on-Wikipedia draft. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.163.176 (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- The trouble with that approach, Gandalf the Groovy, is that I don't believe this is a repetitive task. What goes in an article depends on what the sources say, not on what an article about a different subject happens to say. I'm sure the headings are often worth copying, but the content? Also, if you're contemplating doing this, make sure you follow the practices in copying within Wikipedia: the licence conditions apply even if you're then going to rework what you copied. --ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Gandalf the Groovy, There is a template designed for this type of task {{Biography}} S Philbrick(Talk) 18:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Was this image removal appropriate?
I removed an image at Pinkfong twice at here and here as it appeared to be promotional due to the logo and the wording of the caption (admire?), but it was reverted yesterday by the person who uploaded the image, and reverted again today. The edit summaries were as follows:
- My first removal: "Removed promotional image"
- First revert: "re-add Wikimedia Commons approved image" (that editor didn't refute my claim, and from what I understand, just because an image is Commons-approved doesn't mean it can sit in any article)
- My second removal: "this image adds nothing encyclopaedic to the article, has a watermark, and is not related to the company's actual industry which is kids' media and not cakes" (I meant logo when I said watermark)
- Second revert: *no edit summary*
I don't want to violate any rules, so can someone explain whether the image removal was appropriate? 45.251.33.134 (talk) 12:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi IP 45.251.33.134. Image use on Wikipedia is supposed to be in accordance with Wikipedia:Image use policy; in particular, images are to be generally only to be used when they're contextually relevant as explained here. The file you've removed is uploaded to Wikimedia Commons under a free license that meets Wikipedia's licensing reqiuirements; so, there no real reason to remove it for copyright concerns. That leaves contexutal concerns and that is where different editors may reasonably disagree. You feel the image is promotion, but the editor who re-added probably doesn't; so, basically what you've got now is sort of an image-related content dispute that you're going to be expected to resolve per Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Continuing to remove the image is most likely only going to lead to it continuing to be re-added and eventually that will lead to you, the other editor or the two of you together being warned or even blocked for edit warning. At some point, somebody is going to need to stop and start discussing; so, my suggestion to you is to follow the dispute resolution process and start a discussion on the article's talk page explaining why you think the image should be removed. Invite the other editor to participate and explain why it shouldn't. If the two of you can't figure out some compromise together (perhaps there's another image that can be used that addresses both of your concerns), then move to the next step of the process and try and get input from others. Edit warring never ends in a win for those who take that route no matter how right they believe they are, but a discussion based upon relevant policies and guidelines may turn out to be a win for Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- It appears the image was removed by another editor and has also been nominated for deletion on Commons. So, that means there are copyright concerns and the image shouldn't probably be re-added until they're resolved. As for the watermark, you might want to take a look at c:Commons:Watermarks even though that's not a formal Commons policy or guideline. A watermark isn't ideal in most cases, but it's not necessarily a reason for deleting an image and in some cases the watermark can be removed so that it's no longer an issue. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Marchjuly, I inadvertently found this discussion, although not given notification of it. Yes, the image is under discussion at Commons, and I agree that adding or deleting the image should be addressed at Talk:Pinkfong. Just let us know which editor needs to initiate it, please. I reverted the image deletion once, then attempted to discuss to avoid edit warring, but found two IP addresses had removed it and was confused where to address it, at 45.251.33.194 or at 45.251.33.134. Thank you,--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Bonnielou2013: Another editor besides the IP removed the image because they had concerns over its use as well, but the place to discuss this would be on the article's talk page. Even if you feel you're right about the image's licensing (which I think you are) and it's context (which might be not be the case), I wouldn't suggest anything that might resemble edit warring over the image. Leaving an edit summary each time you re-add the file is not likely going to be seen as sufficient and an exemption to the three-revert rule by administrators in what is essentially a content dispute. As I stated to the IP above, at some point somebody is going to have to start discussing things to try and resolve whatever the issue may be and that person doesn't automatically need to be the IP. In fact, since you7re one of the people who seems to be in favor of using the image in the article, it could be argued that the WP:ONUS sort of falls upon you and the others who want it used to establish that it should be used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Marchjuly, I inadvertently found this discussion, although not given notification of it. Yes, the image is under discussion at Commons, and I agree that adding or deleting the image should be addressed at Talk:Pinkfong. Just let us know which editor needs to initiate it, please. I reverted the image deletion once, then attempted to discuss to avoid edit warring, but found two IP addresses had removed it and was confused where to address it, at 45.251.33.194 or at 45.251.33.134. Thank you,--Bonnielou2013 (talk) 22:57, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Request for edits timelines
How to request other editors to edit a protected article, element, template? is there a list of editors available somewhere or you just have to request on the talk page and editors will automatically be notified? Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman (talk) 14:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman, you may find Template:Edit semi-protected useful. GeraldWL 14:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Sir Ubaid Ur Rehman: for a slightly easier route, the edit request wizard fills in some of the fiddly stuff for you Nosebagbear (talk) 18:43, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Translation Pages
I am bilingual. I want to translate a few pages from Spanish to English. Do I have to make a brand new page? How do I do that? How do I keep the image/border formats? Thanks. Heuristically (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Heuristically: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's more information on how to do so at WP:TRANSLATE. Just be aware that policies differ between Wikipedias of different languages and not everything is going to make it over. Image and border formats should remain unchanged if you bring the code over as well (remembering to attribute it to the other Wikipedia). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Also, English Wikipedia and Spanish Wikipedia do not have the same criteria for what defines a reliable source reference, so an article existing in Sp-W may be Declined if submitted as a draft to Articles for Creation, or else nominated to Articles for Deletion if created as an article. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources to get an idea of what is required. David notMD (talk) 15:19, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Protected Page
Hello, I want to edit a protected page. I have the references, but I am not sure of my language. If I edit, can someone review it to be neutral and acceptable on Wikipedia? GONvsKillua (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @GONvsKillua: What is the page you want to edit, and what do you want to add to it? 106.201.110.52 (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi GONvsKillua, welcome to the Teahouse, if the page is protected, and you cannot edit the page, you can submit an edit request, basically using the talk page (by clicking on a button that says "talk" next to the article button that is next to the wikipedia logo) to propose an edit. If you can edit the page, be bold with your edits and don't be afraid of making mistakes. Feel free to link the article and type the proposed change here, and we'll add it for you if that's what you prefer. Justiyaya (talk) 15:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Your query here at Teahouse appears to be your very first edit ever, so you will not yet be able to edit a protected article. David notMD (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi GONvsKillua, welcome to the Teahouse, if the page is protected, and you cannot edit the page, you can submit an edit request, basically using the talk page (by clicking on a button that says "talk" next to the article button that is next to the wikipedia logo) to propose an edit. If you can edit the page, be bold with your edits and don't be afraid of making mistakes. Feel free to link the article and type the proposed change here, and we'll add it for you if that's what you prefer. Justiyaya (talk) 15:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Need help in findind pages for editing!
I want to edit but i cant find articles which requires editing and which don't. Is there any way to get info about articles that needed editing. Siddartha897 (talk) 16:38, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Siddartha897, and welcome to Wikipedia. The page WP:Backlog displays current Wikipedia backlogs, which you can help clear. A good backlog to start in is Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit. Make sure to remove the tag at the top when done.
Really, most articles need improvement. You can try finding an article that interests you, find reliable sources, and then add content to the article. The introduction is a good place to start on this.
Hope this helps! — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 16:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi @Siddartha897. I occasionally visit the Wikipedia Task Center to find articles that need copy-editing or similar tasks. I've been able to do a few interesting edits that way. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Siddartha897 You can also try WP:Backlog. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use
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on reply) 19:32, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- yep! @Berrely:, @Mike Marchmont:, @Qwerfjkl:. Tqs for the info.Siddartha897 (talk) 10:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Uploading images(of celebrities) to wikimedia.
Is there a better way where can i find copy righted imaged which i can reuse here. I mean is there a specific source. Siddartha897 (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Siddartha897, you can only upload "free" images of people to Wikipedia (images that can be used commercially). Pictures of people don't generally fall under fair use and hence can't be used on Wikipedia. Hope this helps! — Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 16:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia profile
GoodDay! How does one go about getting a profile of work on Wikipedia, who has worked with many other people with Wikipedia profiles already? Thankyou (redacted) 2600:1700:2D60:53F0:55F5:9FE3:F605:E18 (talk) 17:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse. One would have to be notable by Wikipedia's standards, and understand that Wikipedia is not a site to post resumes and CVs. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello. Wikipedia does not include "profiles". We have encyclopedia articles. Please read Your first article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Page of my own
Hello can anyone tell me how to do a page of my own? is this possible? Cheers Mate Bluebellthecat2905 Bluebellthecat2905 (talk) 19:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Bluebellthecat2905 Do you mean creating a User page or an Autobiography? ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂 (please use
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on reply) 19:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)- @Bluebellthecat2905, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, as previously asked by Qwerfjkl, do you intend for a Wikipedia article on yourself? If yes, then unfortunately we strongly advise against such. See WP:COI and WP:AUTO.Celestina007 (talk) 20:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Moving draft to article
Hello, I have completed my draft of the article "Sennay Ghebreab" and want to move it to article now. But there is no button "Move" as described in the instructions. Can you please help me publish my article? Noaghebreab (talk) 21:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Noaghebreab, you need to read the messages on the draft page. Your draft has too few reliable sources to support notability, and you have used inappropriate external links in the body of the draft. Submission right now will guarantee another decline of your draft.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- STATUS: Draft:Sennay Ghebreab submitted to AfC, Declined, resubmitted on 9 June. In time it will reviewed. While waiting, remove all the hyperlinks and improve the referencing. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Since I frequently work with academic bios, I was asked to comment. There are two major ways in which the draft is unsatisfactory (1) It is very highly promotional & not written in an objective fashion. It contains far too much material about person life, activities that do not amount to notability , an impressionistic account of his teaching and work, and an account of his university department. A WP article focuses on a person's notability , sp the peripheral material needs to be removed. The style of writing needs to be improved also: the first step will be removing all the adjectives. (2) He is borderline notable according to our standard, WP:PROF Notability in his field of work is judged primarily by showing the scientific work influential, as measured by citation o it in Google Scholar or Scopus, etc. In the biomedical standards , the minimum accepted here is at least 2 papets with well over 100 cites, but Google Scholar shows 123, 98, 65, .... It's not a formal guide, but the results of recent article discussions here makes it clear that this is what people examining such articles at AfD regard as acceptable. Perhaps it should be lower, or higher, or not used as an indicator at all, but it is what is used, and there is no point in accepting a Draft if the article is going to be rejected at WP:AFD. However, he's working in a specialized area, and, it might be one with lower citation density. But there's an objective way to sse how influential he is: compare his citation record with people in the same field whom he cites or who cite his work: .His most cited paper, with 132 cites , cites papers with 551, 430, 328, etc but that's not very indindicative as everyone can & usually does can cite the classic papers in their field, What is indicative is that his papers are cited by papers on very similar subjects with 503, 329, 309, 253. 219. 100, 98, 88 ... .. citations frome one of his better-cited papers, and 339, 219, 124, 92, 72 from another. , which is enough to show he is important in his field bt not one of the most important. On balance, I would accept it if the promotionalism gets fixed, and let it take its chances at AfD. After all, WP:Draft is just meant as a prelinary approval step to get rid of the drafts that are not going to pass. With the promotionalism in, it will not pass, with it removed, it might. I'm copying this to the user talk pa as a record. DGG ( talk ) 17:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Looking for editors to create a page about myself
Could someone help me creat a page about myself ? and have my LinkedIn account page as a reference to my Wikipedia , given any additional information needed . TyseanS99 (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- TyseanS99 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would correct you in that Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages" about subjects. You may make a request at Requested Articles- but leaving aside the severe backlog there(almost rendering RA useless)- you seem to want an article to enhance your internet presence or search results for you. Wikipedia is not concerned with those things- they may be a side benefit, but that's not our goal. A LinkedIn profile is not acceptable as a source. A Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about you, showing how you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. If you truly feel that you meet that definition, you should allow independent editors to take note of your career or life and choose on their own to write about you, forcing the issue doesn't usually work.
- Please also understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. You cannot lock a Wikipedia article to the text that you might prefer, or prevent others unaffiliated with you from editing it. Any information about you, good and bad, can be in an article about you as long as it appears in an independent reliable source and is not defamatory. 331dot (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
COI Question
I am currently being paid to work on an artistic project pertaining to a specific individual. My employer reached out to an art funding organization in order to receive extra funding so that I could work longer than the project budget initially allowed. My employer and I decided, that with the additional time I would be able to work, thanks to the extra funding (not the funding we received for the project), I should research the person the project relates to and potentially write an article here for them. We were never asked to create the article, nor is anyone paying us to (rather we are using money given to us to support the arts), but I want to be sure there's not conflict of interest I should disclose. From what I can tell COI occurs when: I am the person the article is about (I am not), someone has paid me specifically to write an article, or I own the thing the article is written over; so I don't believe there is, but it never hurts to check. JorodHistory (talk) 22:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- JorodHistory Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for asking your question. Since your editing falls within the purview of your work, I think that you would be considered a paid editor and you would need to disclose that per WP:PAID. You don't have to be specifically paid to edit Wikipedia to be a paid editor. As for a conflict of interest, it doesn't sound to me as if you have one, if you or your employer are working on this project without the knowledge of the person your work is about. I'm certainly not an expert, though, so feel free to hear other opinions. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- JorodHistory I agree with 331dot that you are a paid editor. It seems fairly unambiguous: you are creating a Wikipedia page on someone as part of your employment. See WP:PAID for the proper procedures.--- Possibly (talk) 04:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
That makes sense. Quick question: who would the client be in this scenario?
Question In regards to updating a Voice Actors page
I am having trouble with editing a Voice Actors wiki page.The Actor in question is Sean Schemmel,who in the past has made Homophobic remarks. I have sources to several articles and and a video from youtube. But my edit keeps getting removed. GBZ93 (talk) 23:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
@GBZ93: Your edits keep on getting reverted owing to the fact that YouTube videos are often non-RS. treekangaroos (talk) 23:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- GBZ93 (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia content must be sourced to independent reliable sources. YouTube videos do not often qualify. IGN may qualify, depending on the story itself, though a mainstream news organization would be better. Please discuss your proposed edit on the article talk page. Edits about living people are subject to the Biographies of Living Persons policy, and must have very good sourcing, especially for a controversial claim. 331dot (talk) 23:26, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
@GBZ93: I agree with 331dot here. BLP articles:
must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and avoidance of original research.
Your edit breaks the many guidelines of WP:MOS, such as MOS:YEAR and MOS:PUNCTUATION. Your edit can also come across as confusing or unclear. treekangaroos (talk) 23:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Honest question, how do they come across as unclear? and thank you for your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GBZ93 (talk • contribs)
Stub
Hi I have been working on expanding this article, at the moment it has 590 words, can I remove the "Stub" template, according to this page it says that one of the criteria to remove the stub template is that the article has more than 500 words, do I have to take into account other criteria to remove the template? Seb { 💬 Talk + 📝 Edits } 00:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, JSeb05. I have upgraded the article from "stub" to "start". A stub is defined as "an article deemed too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject." I think the article provides a basic level of encyclopedic coverage, and to me, that is more important than word count. Thanks for working to improve the article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Requesting help with a large amount of research for "List of Bohemian Club Members"
A lot of people listed in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bohemian_Club_members have their "Living" column blank, and it will require a lot of research to fill in the missing data entries. RandomUser1035763 (talk) 01:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, RandomUser1035763. There are way too many redlinks on that list, in my opinion. It makes my eyes glaze over. I notice that Bob Weir is on the list, but what about Mickey Hart and Jimmy Buffett? Aren't they members too? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- @RandomUser1035763: That looks like quite a bit of work. I did the first redlink on the list, out of curiosity: Hiram Reynolds Bloomer. Best of luck.--- Possibly (talk) 03:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nice start, Possibly. Well done. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:23, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Assistance with refill in regards to page: The Word is Murder
Created the page: “The Word is Murder”. Shortly afterwards it received the notification that it was using bare URLs. Ran the refill tool as suggested and it fixed three of the four bare URLs. It gave an error message for the fourth URL stating that “No title found”. What do I do now? Anastasios999 (talk) 05:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Anastasios999: Courtesy link: The Word is Murder fixed. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 05:19, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Help to reset my password
Accidently my account was lodged out (@TewariKamal) and now i don't remember the password to login. Please help me reset my password . 106.195.126.5 (talk) 06:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- TewariKamal has not specified an email adress, or it was not confirmed, so a new password cannot be send. Iff you find the confirmation mail in your inbox and its less than 7 days old, you might be able to click the confirm link in order to confirm yoour email, after which you can visit Special:PasswordReset to get a new password sent to your inbox. In all other cases, you unfortunally won't be able to get a new password, which means that you can only create a new account with a different username, stating your previous accounts name and the fact that you have lost your password for that one (and don't forget to confirm your email this time). Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:46, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- To add to the above, if you are not able to retrieve the password, you can just create a new account. If you do, please write on that new account's page that you had edited as TewariKamal in the past to avoid any suspicion of sockpuppetry. Also, consider adding committed identity to your new account as an alternative account recovery method. Anton.bersh (talk) 11:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Why Ariana Grande article is extended confirmed protected?
So, when I go to Ariana Grande article it is indefinitely extended confirmed protected, while other singers article (e.g. Taylor Swift and among others are semi-protected). So, why Ariana Grande article is extended-confirmed protected indefinitely? Lkas123 (talk) 06:46, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Lkas123. Articles are generally only protected when they are subject to serious disruption, and usually the degree of the protection depend on how many times the page has been protected before as well as how serious the disruption is. If you do to Ariana Grande, click on the edit tab and then look at the top of the page, you see a box that states "Note: This page is protected so that only users with extended confirmed rights can make edits. See Wikipedia:Protection policy#Extended confirmed protection." If you click on "View full long", you'll see exactly how many times the article has been protected over the years. If you want more specific details you can ask the last administrator to protect the page for further clarification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Lkas123 I haven't examined the Ariana Grande article yet, but if it is subject to a higher level of protection, it means that the lower level(semi) was ineffective at ending disruption. The most likely explanation is that users were creating accounts, making 10 edits(productive or otherwise) and waiting 4 days to become confirmed, and then engaging in disruption. It's harder to game the system with extended confirmed(500 edits and 30 days). 331dot (talk) 08:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Official video as source?
Can a video from official YouTube channel be used as a source, for example an official channel of a TV network has released trailer/teaser of its upcoming show, then could that video be used as source? ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 08:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- In general, an official YouTube channel of an existing TV network or news paper or other organization is considered as comming from that organization, so it inherits all properties of that organization. So you can use it as a source. However, it is not an independent source on itself. So TV news reporting uploaded to YouTube is probably a reliable source about the news being reported, but the TV channel promoting itself on its YouTube channel is not reliable source on itself. Do you have a specific example? Anton.bersh (talk) 09:15, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Update a Page for and Org that Pays Me
Hi! I’ve been successful at having some basic updates to a page for the Direct Selling Association in the past. My bio page discloses I am paid by the organization. I want to ask help from someone who can update basic board of director information for me? I saw in the Wikipedia app my talk page history and I asked those editors for help but I find this whole thing SO Confusing I don’t understand the best way to do anything here. I am honest and I don’t want to violate rules. If someone could help me and maybe explain things to me? I would have a better understanding for the future. Thank you so so much! BradReichard (talk) 11:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- BradReichard Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Since you have already declared a paid editing relationship, you are halfway there, really. You simply need to propose any chanegs you feel are needed on the article talk page, Talk:Direct Selling Association, in the form of an edit request(click for instructions). It is possible to do this with the app or mobile version(I find it harder, though others do it successfully), though those do not have the full functionality of the regular desktop version. It may be easier for you to do it with the full desktop version in a browser on your phone; if you scroll to the bottom of any page on Wikipedia in the app, there is an option to switch between versions. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Challenging an entry
There is an entry in the historical description of the G7 that is flat out wrong: "British Queen Elizabeth II was forced to broker a deal to form a minority government after a hung election, creating a situation so unstable that another election the same year had to take place." The British Monarch is apolitical and doesn't have the political authority to "broker" anything; much less the formation of a government. CPN 11:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by CPNowell (talk • contribs)
- CPNowell Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please bring up your concern on the article talk page, Talk:Group of Seven, where the editors that follow that article will see it. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the guidance CPN 12:03, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I need help to add more content to a locked article please
Hello, i hope your doing all great. Im here because i need help to add more content to an actual wiki, content of which is locked. Please Help.. (heres the url ↓) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish Danielbrandnitions (talk) 11:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Danielbrandnitions Hello and welcome. The article you link to has been protected("locked") due to conflict of interest related issues and sockpuppetry. If you have a conflict of interest, please review the conflict of interest policy. Once you do, you may visit the article talk page, Talk:Lujaina Mohsin Darwish and make a formal edit request(click for instructions) detailing changes you feel are needed, preferably sourced to independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 11:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Editor creating drafts of fictional people/albums
I've been watching the edits of the editor Silverwingsband98 from about six months now – what's unusual here is that all their contributions [4] are to create drafts for entirely fictional articles, clearly with no intention of ever publishing them in mainspace (because they are obviously fiction) and keeping them as drafts, presumably for their personal amusement or satisfaction. Attempts to politely ask them on their talk page why they are creating fictional drafts have been reverted without explanation [5]. And when the six-month draft period runs out, they simply ask for undeletion [6], so clearly they plan on keeping the drafts indefinitely.
Should I actually do anything about this? On the one hand, they aren't obviously vandalising or hoaxing Wikipedia by keeping these articles in draftspace, and they wouldn't dare try to publish them in mainspace as they'd get called out as an obvious hoax immediately. On the other... Wikipedia isn't supposed to be someone's personal playground for their fantasies, and to keep drafts forever. But I know that going to ANI seems an extreme response that would just cause a lot of grief and hassle, and maybe I should just let things be and mind my own business. Any advice? Richard3120 (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- I have tagged some of them for speedy deletion as blatant hoaxes, there are many more though! Theroadislong (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Theroadislong: they are all hoaxes. For example, the two supposed live Queen albums – these were supposedly recorded during tours for the last two Queen albums with Freddie Mercury, but the band never toured these albums, as Mercury was too ill by this point to perform. Mercury's last performance with Queen was in August 1986, five years before his death, and before either of the last two albums were released. You will find no evidence of the existence of these supposed live albums – no chart positions, no reviews, and no evidence that the tours took place, because they didn't. Richard3120 (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, that escalated quickly... all articles have been tagged for speedy deletion and the editor blocked, although the latter was never my intention. Thanks to everyone for their help. Richard3120 (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Theroadislong: they are all hoaxes. For example, the two supposed live Queen albums – these were supposedly recorded during tours for the last two Queen albums with Freddie Mercury, but the band never toured these albums, as Mercury was too ill by this point to perform. Mercury's last performance with Queen was in August 1986, five years before his death, and before either of the last two albums were released. You will find no evidence of the existence of these supposed live albums – no chart positions, no reviews, and no evidence that the tours took place, because they didn't. Richard3120 (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
False, uncited statement leads to edit war warning
Please see the warning at User talk:Thelisteninghand and my detailed response, as I have had no response from the editor I disagree with. Any editor who could take the time to read this carefully will understand that WP is making a completely false claim on Miles Davis (final years). Davis makes a vague statement in autobiography - editor has made own incorrect interpretation. Thelisteninghand (talk) 13:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Already being discussed at Talk:Miles Davis. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Small Doubt
Where do questions in TEAHOUSE(here) vanish aftersome days. I can't find my previous questions. Siddartha897 (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Siddartha897, teahouse questions gets automatically archived 3 days after completion, you can find archived questions by searching for them in the archives section that is right under the table of contents. You can also browse archives by clicking on archive pages individually, like this page Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1112. -- Justiyaya (talk) 14:22, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Draf:Butler Leather Goods Factory
Hi,
It would be great if someone can help getting my draft reviewed and help it published sooner than later. You can access my draft at Draft:Butler Leather Goods Factory
Thanks again!
Regards Mellontikos (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Mellontikos, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has one reference, the company itself, and on WP, that doesn't work at all. See these links, WP:GNG and WP:NORG, for the sources that are crucially necessary, and if it applies, follow the guidance at WP:COI carefully. You also need to learn how to add inline citations, WP:EASYREFBEGIN has guidance on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Also, once submitted, it goes into a pile of about 5,000 drafts waiting for review. Not a queue. Could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months before reviewed. Teahouse hosts are not reviewers. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Mellontikos, your draft has not yet been submitted for review, so it is not yet in the review queue/pile. I agree with other commenters here that the draft is not ready because it does not have adequate independent reliable sources as references. Once you have improved the referencing and think it is ready to be reviewed, click the submit button to put your draft in the review queue/pile. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
how do I edit the title on a draft article?
how do I edit the title on a draft article? Palisades1 (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Palisades1: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're autoconfirmed you can do it yourself by moving the page to another title in draftspace; otherwise, don't worry about it too much and drop a message in the associated talk page so that someone who sees it can do it for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I'm hesitant to create a new article because of the long time it takes for review. The page (Joe Whitty) was submitted several weeks ago and Id hate to go to the back of the line. There are several different pages that refer to the same name - can change the name after it has been accepted? Again, thanks.Palisades1 (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Palisades1: If the draft's title conflicts with that of any existing article (which I don't see in the case of Draft:Joseph Whitty), whatever reviewer approves it will see to it that the title of the article is suitably disambiguated. If there are non-conflicting overlaps (like that of Joseph Whitty with Lawrence Joseph Whitty), suitable hatnotes can be added to the articles, or a disambiguation page can be created. You don't need to do anything now. Deor (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Great. Thanks again. Palisades1 (talk) 17:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Can't upload image
Hello,
I am the owner of the artwork and I am trying to upload it to a post though I keep getting told " We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons."
The file is in good standards, is the correct information, and I own the rights to upload it. Why can't I get this too work>
Also when I clicked on the links this error message gives me it just brings me to a the home page and not the info that I need to look up to fix this issue. I can't even shoe you the message because the nI try to attach it I'm just told the same issue basically
Please help and thank you, Ray JusrtMakingTheWorldBetter (talk) 16:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- JusrtMakingTheWorldBetter, let's take a step back. Who created the artwork you are trying to upload? And who took the photo of the artwork you are trying to upload? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello
I am the creator of the artwork, my tribe voted on the final piece so it was a group effort of hundreds of people, but I am the one that made the design and the final art.
Thank you
Our water, I saw a post telling me we should stock up on water, terrorist may contaminate our water supply. If this is true, would you be warning us?
Porchpicker (talk) 17:45, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Formatting a draft page of a translated article
I'm working on a draft that I translated from PT Wikipedia. It was already submitted once before and rejected due to primary sources (I'd just used whatever sources were in the PT version). I've now beefed up the sources and re-submitted; I just want to make sure that I formatted everything correctly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Antonio_Peticov.
Is there anything I need besides the bit stating that the page was translated from PT Wikipedia?
Actionactioncut (talk) 17:54, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Article declined
I've just had an article draft declined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Casper_Esmann I am not affiliated with the subject in any way so I don't really understand comment from the reviewer. All the info in the article is taken from valid sources such as newspapers or tv broadcasts. Flyinglonglegs (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Getting a notable person's page published
I'm a new editor, but I know this page, Draft:Donald E Brown, is notable and should be published! Right now it says that he is not notable and that the page may be written from a fan's point of view... how can I or someone else fix that? I don't see any fan language, and the sources show he's notable, including a Wiki page about at least one of his companies, Interactive Intelligence. If you search Donald Brown or Don Brown CEO on the Internet, he's kind of a big deal in the tech world... help! Cadams55 (talk) 19:01, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Question
Hi I have a question, what template and set of f rules do you uses if you want to request a section in and article be spun off into its own article. BigRed606 (talk) 19:08, 10 June 2021 (UTC)