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Thanks for the ARIA End of Year charts
Hey there, I just wanted to say thanks for adding the ARIA End of year charts to the top 100 songs/albums. As per most weeks, your updated peak positions are excellent.
Question, were you intending on adding the end of year chart positions for the Australian Artists as well or would you like me to help you out? I was going to add the end of year positions for those and for country and jazz /blues abound as well, if they have articles.
Thanks. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 02:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Tobyjamesaus: No, the main ones were all I was planning to do, so you can go ahead and do those if you want. If it's what you meant, I'm just not sure the Australian Artists charts are all that relevant if the song/album already made the main charts, as it is probably considered a component chart, just filtering out non-Australian artists. If the UK or US had a comparable chart, I'm sure it wouldn't be looked at as very relevant in those instances. If the release didn't make the main top 100 year-end for either singles or albums it's all good though. Ss112 07:11, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hey, cool. I get what you mean about relevance. I’ll only add Aus Artist charts to those songs/albums that didn’t feature in the overall top 100 then. Cheers. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 08:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Tobyjamesaus: I realised after this that it didn't really apply to many anyway. I counted and there were only 10 Australian songs in the top 100 year-end songs, basically half by Tones and I, and 23 Australian albums in the top 100 year-end albums. Ss112 20:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hey, cool. I get what you mean about relevance. I’ll only add Aus Artist charts to those songs/albums that didn’t feature in the overall top 100 then. Cheers. Tobyjamesaus (talk) 08:56, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Dove Cameron discography
Hello – long time no see The other day, an IP hastily rearranged Dove Cameron discography. They moved all of her pre-2019 releases to promotional singles, which is technically correct since they were releases from soundtracks, but I believe they have discarded a bunch of charting and certification information. Would you be able to look into it when you have spare time? Thank you! – DarkGlow (✉) 12:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: I reverted the whole thing, it looked hasty and not very well thought through. The editor left the chart positions that were already in the promotional singles section but only changed the column names, making it look like several of Dove's songs had reached number 1 in France. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but it's already rare for English songs to top the chart in France. For Dove it'd be basically impossible. Ss112 13:36, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh lord, I didn't even notice that, thank you – I'll perform the correct move, should be easy to do if I just remove her newer singles and create a new table for them. – DarkGlow (✉) 13:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Oh, I already forgot the part where you said you'll move her pre-2019 singles. I'll move it, if you like? Ss112 13:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you want to, yes! I'm sure you can work it out, but everything from "Bloodshot" are her singles. – DarkGlow (✉) 13:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Done! Do you want to change the soundtrack song articles linked from Dove's template that are called singles to promo (in the infobox) to be consistent with her discography? Ss112 13:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to amending the "next" and "last" parameters in the infoboxes, or the actual infobox layout? For example, how It's Goin' Down (Descendants song) is a different infobox to If Only (Dove Cameron song). – DarkGlow (✉) 14:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: I meant more so amending all the related articles. "If Only" is still referred as a single on its own article and the Descendants film/soundtrack article, and "Ways to Be Wicked" is still called a single (and not a promo single) from Descendants 2. Ss112 14:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- I hope I'm understanding correctly – in regards to If Only (Dove Cameron song), would we remove the singles chronology since it's not a Cameron single, or would we change the next single to her next chronological promotional single? Also, I hate to break this to you but I've just remembered her discography article. These same changes will need to be made to Sofia Carson discography. – DarkGlow (✉) 14:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: I meant more so amending all the related articles. "If Only" is still referred as a single on its own article and the Descendants film/soundtrack article, and "Ways to Be Wicked" is still called a single (and not a promo single) from Descendants 2. Ss112 14:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Are you referring to amending the "next" and "last" parameters in the infoboxes, or the actual infobox layout? For example, how It's Goin' Down (Descendants song) is a different infobox to If Only (Dove Cameron song). – DarkGlow (✉) 14:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Done! Do you want to change the soundtrack song articles linked from Dove's template that are called singles to promo (in the infobox) to be consistent with her discography? Ss112 13:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- If you want to, yes! I'm sure you can work it out, but everything from "Bloodshot" are her singles. – DarkGlow (✉) 13:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Oh, I already forgot the part where you said you'll move her pre-2019 singles. I'll move it, if you like? Ss112 13:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh lord, I didn't even notice that, thank you – I'll perform the correct move, should be easy to do if I just remove her newer singles and create a new table for them. – DarkGlow (✉) 13:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- I can remove the chronologies, that's fine. On Carson's page, I can see a few promotional singles – Rotten to the Core, Ways to be Wicked, Chillin like a Snowman, and Good to be Bad. – DarkGlow (✉) 14:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: You seem like you have more of an idea than I do about which of Carson's singles are promos, so I'll leave that up to you. I mostly try to stay away from arguing over what's a single and what's a promotional single—it's one of the most common and repeated arguments in music here and there's no formal consensus on the matter because everyone has different ideas on what constitutes one. Ss112 15:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think I've done it? Was unsure about the charting information on the promotional singles though. – DarkGlow (✉) 15:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Looks fine to me! Ss112 15:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Hey – just a quick query. Someone changed the infobox styling on If Only (Dove Cameron song) to "promotional single", and then it was changed back. The infobox now says "Single by Dove Cameron" – while it is a single for the Descendants franchise, it is not a single for Cameron. What can be done about this? – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 17:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: Looks fine to me! Ss112 15:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- I think I've done it? Was unsure about the charting information on the promotional singles though. – DarkGlow (✉) 15:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: You seem like you have more of an idea than I do about which of Carson's singles are promos, so I'll leave that up to you. I mostly try to stay away from arguing over what's a single and what's a promotional single—it's one of the most common and repeated arguments in music here and there's no formal consensus on the matter because everyone has different ideas on what constitutes one. Ss112 15:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
This
Hello again – "This" by Megan McKenna charted at 29 in Scotland when released as a promo single in 2019. It is now being released as a mainstream single, so should the chart position have an efn note to explain that it charted in 2019 as a promo single or not? – DarkGlow (contribs • talk) 15:35, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- @DarkGlow: It's not necessary or very common to specify that. I've usually seen that moreso for albums that chart with re-releases years later rather than singles charting when they were album tracks or promo singles before they were "promoted" to full singles. Ss112 15:38, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Billboard Latin charts guideline amended
Hey there Ss112, just wanted to let you know that the guideline for using Billboard's Latin charts was changed last September. The Latin Airplay chart can be used on any article from October 2012 onwards because it is not a component of the Hot Latin Songs and its subcharts be used be used as long as it hasn't already ranked on other Billboard genre charts. Here is the link to the discussion. Erick (talk) 15:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Magiciandude: Why are the Latin subcharts now allowed to be listed if a song has not ranked on other genre charts? I skimmed the linked discussion and I still don't understand. What is the logic here? What is more significant about ranking on other genre charts that would mean we should not list Latin subcharts? Ss112 15:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
- To sum it up the best I can: Because Billboard defines "Latin music" as any music predominately sung in Spanish, thus the song's actual genre is not being factored to the Hot Latin Songs chart. As mentioned before, the Latin Airplay is not a component chart of the Hot Latin Songs because any song, regardless of language or genre, can rank on the chart. So you have two charts that aren't technically "genre" charts in a traditional sense. That's where the Latin subcharts come in and, as mentioned in the discussion, Latin music is a genre with distinct fields. Songs that rank on the Regional Mexican Airplay have little-to-nothing in common with songs that rank on the Latin Rhythm Airplay chart. The not ranking on other Billboard genre charts was simply my compromise, but I'm also considering Starcheers's advice and allow no limitations with them and make it being case-by-case like on Despacito. EDIT: The previous guideline before the discussion treated the subcharts as though all music in Spanish sounds the same. The discussion may have been archived, but I'm still open to suggestion on how to handle these subcharts. Erick (talk) 15:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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Pale Waves - Who Am I?
Hello @Ss112, I would like to thank you for defending me and helping me get my article on the album Who Am I? approved. It was especially frustrating doing what exactly editors told me to do such as adding reviews and they still declined it and moved the goalposts to increasingly absurd degrees. I've had a horrible experience in the past with AfC and the only article that I have managed to get approved by the stubborn morons at AfC is Dalia Gebrial. I am still waiting on my apology from @Robert McClenon and I expect I will be waiting a long time.
Srodgers170120:50, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Srodgers1701: Yes, Robert McClenon has stated at the thread he started on you at WP:COIN that he will not be apologising because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. It was probably naive of me to expect someone stubborn enough to threaten topic bans, blocks, and launch investigations of paid editing would believe they overreacted or assumed bad faith. As I said at the COIN thread though, it's a great disservice to the encouragement we should be giving to new editors who submit topics through AfC that Robert represents the kind of standard of editors reviewing AfC drafts. I can't imagine how many editors have been turned away or discouraged from further editing because they made the mistake of going this route to have an article published in mainspace. Anyway Srodgers, I would encourage you going forward to just make the article yourself in your userspace or if a redirect exists for it, to expand it directly in mainspace. AfC needs a better standard of reviewers. Ss112 05:10, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
French Singles Chart
Hello Ss112, I hope all is well with you. Due to your experience with and knowledge of music record charts, I have a question for you regarding the SNEP French Singles chart, thanks to a rather odd thing I noticed recently. In June 2018, I added a reference to the article Ocean (Goldfrapp song), claiming that it reached a number 191 peak on May 26, 2018. Recently, I have been revisiting old articles I've contributed to, and this morning, I noticed that the position is no longer listed on the song's official profile. I am 99.9% sure that this information has been removed, and I do not understand why. I have spent a decent amount of time searching through the Wayback Machine and other articles trying to find any evidence of this peak. 05/26/18 is a legit published issue of the chart, although a different song is listed at #191. I have considered that perhaps I made an error, but I really don't think I would have done such a thing in this case. So my question is, on the French chart, have you ever noticed works with revised or removed chart positions over time? And if so, how would you properly convey this information in a Wikipedia article? Because I'm stumped. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 16:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC).
- @Carbrera: Hey. I'd forgotten about this, but a preface to this was the fact that for a couple of years after streaming became the dominant form of music consumption in the mid-2010s worldwide, France still did not have an official songs chart (as published by SNEP) that combined download and streaming data. Although they introduced a streaming chart a bit later, for a while, editors here (including myself) used the Télécharges (Downloads) chart as the de facto main chart, and lescharts.com used this for a while too. (Some editors, usually unregistered ones, took issue and tried to insist we should use the Streaming chart as it was more accurate.) SNEP later introduced the Megafusion chart (as it was called at the time, now it's just "Top Singles") that combined both downloads and streams, so editors here started using that, but I believe lescharts.com was still using the Downloads chart data for a while after SNEP introduced the Megafusion chart. As I understand it, whoever compiles the data for lescharts.com later went back and retroactively adjusted their chart data for the preceding while to SNEP's data that combined both downloads and streams, so quite a number of songs that entered due to download sales did not rank on the final download and streaming chart and thus disappeared off the lescharts.com database.
- Edit: So I've just gone back and looked, and it looks like SNEP's database for the Megafusion/Top Singles chart starts the week after you're talking about. The link for Week 22 is active, while week 21 (the week you're referring to) isn't. I believe before they changed the layout of their website, SNEP had the Megafusion/Top Singles data for this week up, but it's evidently been taken down for some unknown reason. Whatever the case, whether lescharts.com has also been privy to some retroactive stream+download information from SNEP that was not actually publicly available on SNEP's website or not, it wouldn't help much for the problem here, as I think you'd probably find "Ocean" by Goldfrapp wouldn't be on the week 21 chart on SNEP's website due to it being the combined data. Ss112 18:44, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Hüsker Dü - Savage Young Dü
Hello. I was wondering if it's possible to remove your redirect for the Savage Young Dü article (which was redirected to Hüsker Dü discography)? The revision history doesn't have much information. If possible, I would like to create the article. OttoJohn (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- @OttoJohn: Well, we don't pre-emptively "remove" redirects. Create the article as a draft or as a draft in your userspace, then request it be moved. Ss112 22:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Revelación
Hey, we have an issue with some users putting down the article Revelación. I tagged you in my talk page to see what you think about it. You can see the article here Draft:Revelación. Thanks in advance. Anonpediann (talk) 19:50, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Anonpediann: I would just wait until the history of the mainspace article is merged with the draft's history. When that happens, I'll approve the draft myself and move it over to mainspace as it's definitely a notable topic with an imminent release. I understand it's an annoying situation, and I see you weren't the first editor to create content at the redirect that was left behind when Revelación was moved to the draftspace, but all the contributions should have gone there so the history merge and all that didn't have to occur. Even AngusWOOF is saying at your talk page after the merge it can be prepared for the move. So it shouldn't take that long until it's back on track and in mainspace either way. Ss112 23:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Ss112: thank you so much! I completed the article with more information in a sandbox, should I wait for the article to be approved or should I add it to the draft now? In case it causes conflict or something. Anonpediann (talk) 01:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Anonpediann: You can definitely edit the draft. Nobody's going to stop you from doing that. I'd add the sources that were maybe in the mainspace article and any other news sources you can find on it, then maybe later I'll move it over to mainspace. I don't agree that we need to wait for reviews of an album for it to be notable. I already see enough coverage on this topic because it's Gomez's first Spanish-language project. The editors who patrol drafts who say that very well know there are plenty of future albums (e.g. albums several months from release) that have articles that are notable, and they're not worried about those. Ss112 01:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your help! Everything seems solved now but I really appreciate your support. Whatever you need that I could help you with (I guess not a lot hehe) tell me. Anonpediann (talk)
- @Anonpediann: You can definitely edit the draft. Nobody's going to stop you from doing that. I'd add the sources that were maybe in the mainspace article and any other news sources you can find on it, then maybe later I'll move it over to mainspace. I don't agree that we need to wait for reviews of an album for it to be notable. I already see enough coverage on this topic because it's Gomez's first Spanish-language project. The editors who patrol drafts who say that very well know there are plenty of future albums (e.g. albums several months from release) that have articles that are notable, and they're not worried about those. Ss112 01:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Ss112: thank you so much! I completed the article with more information in a sandbox, should I wait for the article to be approved or should I add it to the draft now? In case it causes conflict or something. Anonpediann (talk) 01:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you!
Thank you for correcting my mistake with your edit of Mogwai's non-album singles layout. CharlesTStokes (talk) 08:30, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Request to clarify chart position
Hello! I've left a request for you at Talk:Frock4Life, if you're willing to take a quick look. Either way, happy editing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for investigating. I hope this edit clarifies the wording a bit. If you have any other suggestions for this sentence, please let me know, otherwise thanks again! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)