May 7
Template:Random article
- Template:Random article ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:Random page in category ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Random article with Template:Random page in category.
{{Random article}} is nearly identical to {{Random page in category}}. {{Random article}}, however, uses a tool that displays an error when opened and only has 6 total transclusions. I propose we merge {{Random article}} into the far popular {{Random page in category}} to avoid using a non-functional toolforge link. TGHL ↗ 22:45, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I created the article when I was translating and importing portals from German Wikipedia. It's a transalation of de:Vorlage:Zufälliger Artikel. The idea was to generate random articles from a category for the portal to keep it 'fresh', so it's a portal tool if you like. I have no problem merging this provided the new template can generate the same effect. Bermicourt (talk) 08:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:10TeamBracket-TTProLeague
- Template:10TeamBracket-TTProLeague ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:11TeamBracket-TTProLeague ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Template:12TeamBracket-TTProLeague ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Replaced by Template:10TeamBracket and Template:5RoundBracket Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:10TeamBracket-HKSCS
- Template:10TeamBracket-HKSCS ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused and redundant to Template:10TeamBracket with legs=3 Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:04, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:10TeamBracket-2Leg-QFOnly
- Template:10TeamBracket-2Leg-QFOnly ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused after I replaced it with Template:10TeamBracket in Template:2011 MLS Cup Playoff Bracket Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:43, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:10TeamBracket 3rdPlace-TTProLeague
- Template:10TeamBracket 3rdPlace-TTProLeague ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused after I replaced it in 2008 Trinidad and Tobago League Cup Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 20:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Page tabs/1
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- Template:Page tabs/2 ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Not used for some time after Template:Page tabs was converted to Lua. I unsubsted some uses of Template:Page tabs last month after making it more mobile-friendly (e.g. Special:Diff/575220752/1019845968) and there are no further uses of the old sub-templates. User:GKFXtalk 19:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:10TeamBracket-Bestof3-QFOnly
- Template:10TeamBracket-Bestof3-QFOnly ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unused after I replaced it with the standard 4RoundBracket template. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Deprecated source
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- Template:Deprecated inline ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Propose merging Template:Deprecated source with Template:Deprecated inline.
Obvious duplication of functionality, with both in active use. I don't think there's any point maintaining two minor variants of an inline template for tagging depreciated sources. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:SECBracket2013
- Template:SECBracket2013 ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
No longer needed after I replaced it in the SEC articles with the equivalent 5RoundBracket. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Authority control (arts) Master
- Template:Authority control (arts) Master ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
Unexplained fork of {{Authority control (arts)}}, which itself is a fork of {{Authority control}}. Appears to be some kind of test, which - if so - should not be conducted in article space, much not less in almost a thousand over fourteen thousand articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Pigsonthewing nominated {{Authority control (arts)}} a while ago without understanding what it was. It was kept. Now, they didn't even bother checking with me what the explanation might be for this "unexplained fork". It is not a fork of {{Authority control (arts)}} at all, but an intermediate template between {{Authority control (arts)}} and Module:Authority control (arts), and it isn't used in article space, only in {{Authority control (arts)}} (which is used on 14,000+ articles, not almost a 1000). The background behind all this is Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: look of Authority Control, a follow-up to an RfC Pigsonthewing and a few others vehemently opposed, and where they are obstructing the new RfC as well.
- In any case, if they really don't understand what it is for, they should have asked instead of rushing to TfD it. And if they do understand it, then they shouldn't have written suhch a misleading, ill-informed TfD statement. Either case is disruptive. Fram (talk) 13:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Less than two hours ago, Fram wrote:
" I will not respond to comments from Pigsonthewing and Mike Peel,"
So I'm not sure why they would then expect me to ask them before nominating a template fork - apparently used to replicate a sandbox, because their use of that sandbox as a test on 100s of articles was reverted - for deletion. The claim that I am "obstructing" an RfC (when in fact I have participated in it) is a blatant falsehood. As can be seen in that RfC there is much opposition to the design that Fram is using this template fork to bludgeon into 100s of articles, against consensus. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:10, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Less than two hours ago, Fram wrote:
- Delete While I support the original redesign of the authority control template, and believe it should have been implemented to the main Module:Authority control by now, there is no reason that that design is more suitable on arts-related articles than on non-arts-related articles, and thus no reason to pre-emptively deploy it to {{Authority control (arts)}} before it gets deployed to {{authority control}}. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Pppery, this is a temporary deployment to make it easier for people to see both versions of the template over a wide variety of real articles, to help people make an informed choice and comments. If the RfC ends with consensus against this deployment, obviously I will revert back to the standard. What harm does it do to have this alternative version up for the duration of the RfC on 1% of the articles that use authority control? It's just a layout change, nothing more. Fram (talk) 14:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete or sandbox or /sandbox2, etc., per Fram's comment "
this is a temporary deployment to make it easier for people to see both versions of the template
". ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)- It was at sandbox, but Mike Peel objected to that. Fram (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- (breaking no-reply rule for a factual post...) Sandboxes by definition aren't stable, so should not be used in live articles. You could link to Template:Authority_control/testcases to demo the new version. Mike Peel (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- It was at sandbox, but Mike Peel objected to that. Fram (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- The above claim
"It's just a layout change, nothing more"
is false. The template not only changes layout but also removes some links and changes others, and obfuscates identifier values, changing, for example: "LCCN: n79113947" to "United States"; and "ULAN: 500028648" to "Artist Names (Getty)". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:42, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Convert to transclusion
- Template:Convert to transclusion ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
- Category:Pages needing conversion to transclusion ( · talk · history · logs · subpages · delete)
This is a minor issue and how the page is structured behind the scenes does not matter for readers for who it is unnecessary and potentially confusing clutter. No new editor will make Labeled section transclusion their first project invalidating that argument. I would suggest either moving it to the talk page like {{Image requested}} and some other templates with improvement suggestions or possibly just deleting it. I'm more inclined towards the former, but both are fine and should be on the table (hence the TfD). --Trialpears (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Move to talk page. It's a valid tag, but per nom there's no need to present it to readers. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:56, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Move to talk page as many more cleanup tags should be, per Sdkb. Elli (talk | contribs) 12:17, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete template, moving message to talk page. I'm not sure there is added utility in having a dedicated template for this on talk pages. Editors should either do the transclusion, or propose it for discussion in an ordinary talk page section. Is transclusion considered too onerous for editors, and so we need a mechanism for them to flag it for more experienced editors? (If so, I'm more inclined to direct them to Tea House or similar technical request board.) Is someone likely to pay attention to Category:Pages needing conversion to transclusion? Since the usage of this template is so small, I can volunteer to delete the template transclusions and add talk page messages to affected pages. I propose an ideal talk page message for no specified section would look like this edit. Please ping me if you'd like me to do this task. Daask (talk) 12:48, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine with Daask's proposal. --Izno (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
- Daask's proposal looks like the best option. Frietjes (talk) 13:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think there's potential use in having the template, even if it's just preloaded text to be placed in talk page messages. Transclusion is still a relatively young concept on Wikipedia, but its use has been growing, so there's potential for the tag to be applied more widely in the future. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 02:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- As per Daask's proposal. We have a team of editors fixing old transclusions from a decade ago that have errors....last thing we need is this being done all over....best have experienced editors talk about this first.Moxy- 02:06, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I may as well add that I am fine with Daask's proposal. --Trialpears (talk) 10:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: First, there is consensus that this template should not be used in the article space, but opinions are mixed on whether it should be converted to a talk page banner, text to be used in discussions, or simply deleted outright. Relisting to get further opinions on the matter.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 10:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Template:Israeli English
- Template:Israeli English ( · talk · history · links · transclusions · logs · subpages · delete)
English is not an official language of Israel (nor is Israel an 'English-speaking country', even if many people there speak English as a second language), and therefore, WP:ENGVAR/MOS:TIES do not apply to Israeli-related articles. If some Israeli articles are written in American English, they can be tagged with that template. However, I'm not certain that this is actually the case, so that should be verified on a case-by-case basis. Either way, this template serves no purpose, as it does not even identify a specific 'Israeli' variety of English, and therefore should be deleted. RGloucester — ☎ 13:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 10:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant to
{{Use American English}}{{American English}}. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:49, 7 May 2021 (UTC) (edited * Pppery * it has begun... 15:14, 7 May 2021 (UTC)) - Neutral Mostly just a placeholder to replace earlier suggestion now struck.
Long discussion between myself and the nom which boils down to whether or not there is anything useful about formal Israeli English usage to track in a maintenance category, which probably requires more time then it's worth to definitively resolve, and that really isn't worth wasting a closer's time with. 31.41.45.190 (talk) 01:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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- I'm still open to changing to delete or to keep or to something else if someone else has precompiled research they want to share that shows a maintenance category would or would not track something useful, but I don't think the time investment of starting any new research on that topic is worth the benefit to getting a clearer resolution here. Of note, it's highly likely that the template is wrong in equating American and Israeli usage based on limited evidence thus far examined. 31.41.45.190 (talk) 01:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)