Re 2013 NHL transactions VS 2014 NHL transactions
No worries, I was just acting according to the old ways. I'll defer to your judgment on this. Deadman137 (talk 19:51, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
2012-13 vs 2013-14
The inconvenience of having 2 June sections is irrelevant. The article should be based in reality, not in editor's convenience. You can easily add the year to the month if having 2 June's is unpleasing to you. Please do not revert this again. --After Midnight 0001 20:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- This is not about what's convenient to me. Where does it say this draft is the kick off for the 2013-14 season? It may be, don't get me wrong, but I haven't seen that stated explicitly. In fact I've seen the opposite (http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/page/calendar2013/2012-13-nhl-calendar). On top of that, having two June sections isn't a huge issue, but it does look worse and adds confusion. The way the NHL is structured, with regards to players (whether its contracts, transactions, buy-outs, salaries, years experience, etc.) is by the turn-over of SPCs on the scheduled date of July 1 (July 5 this year due to obvious complications to the schedule). To focus our transactions pages on the cessation of a player's contract vs the commencement of new player contracts is a reasonable structure.
Appended: Please do not target me or spin it like I'm just switching things up for my sole and selfish convenience. My previous reversion I did in discussion with Deadman137, who initiated editing this page and whose edits I reverted. -- Uncleben85 (talk) 20:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)- Your link at ESPN shows that it is part of the new season. It says "Important dates for the 2013 season" and includes Free Agency beginning on July 5. --After Midnight 0001 20:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- What are you talking about? It specifically says "2012-13 NHL calendar". It does indeed then go on to say "2013 NHL season", but that is not a thing in reality. There's the 2012-13 and the 2013-14 seasons, but no 2013 season and is obviously just being used as a short form. And it then mentions the commencement of free agency, but then stops there, which is what I am proposing. Let's end the current article at the commencement of free agency, as that is the turn-over of SPCs, which is technically what teams are trading - they trade the SPCs and the rights to the players, not an actual person. -- Uncleben85 (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
- Your link at ESPN shows that it is part of the new season. It says "Important dates for the 2013 season" and includes Free Agency beginning on July 5. --After Midnight 0001 20:32, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
2013 NHL Entry Draft
I'm going to start adding players to Round 5. I'm just giving you the heads up so that we don't trip over each other's work. Deadman137 (talk) 05:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Re 2014 NHL Entry Draft/Arizona Coyotes
Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I'm working off of the same sources that you are. I went ahead and made the change because it will likely be made official during this season and I just didn't want to do it later. Also you seem to be the only other person who even noticed the change. If there is some huge uproar about the Arizona change then I'll change it back, otherwise we may as well embrace the name change in the draft articles. Deadman137 (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- No worries! We can leave it as is then Uncleben85 (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
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List of National Hockey League awards
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Re: 2014 NHL Entry Draft edits
The reason that I removed the team nicknames from those edits was because they fell under previously traded picks which only feature team names when the Rangers or Islanders are involved.
Deadman137 (talk) 23:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
- Use this as an example:
- The Winnipeg Jets' second-round pick will go to the Buffalo Sabres as the result of a trade on March 5, 2014 that sent Matt Moulson and Cody McCormick to Minnesota for Torrey Mitchell, a second-round pick in 2016 and this pick.
- Minnesota previously acquired this pick as the result of a trade on July 5, 2013 that sent Devin Setoguchi to Winnipeg in exchange for this pick.
- Under normal circumstances Minnesota is not mentioned in full because at this point they are just a team that once held this pick. The reason that you don't need to add the team (like the Canadiens) is that Florida is both the original and current pick owner, hopefully this makes sense. Deadman137 (talk) 20:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
NHL transactions
Feel free to use the term Arizona Coyotes now. Also are you just adding the trades to the 2013-14 article until the draft starts? Deadman137 (talk) 20:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Re: Apologies on the Entry Draft nonsense
I figured the link was a simple oversight. I honestly could care less about what date conditional trades get made when sorting the table, I just figured for consistency it made sense to sort the conditional picks by team granting the pick as that is how they are sorted when confirmed. Deadman137 (talk) 05:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
- Re: Re:See this is why I like working with you, we both bitch off about something minor, the other person explains the reasoning for why we are doing what we are doing and the other person is like, okay seems reasonable. Deadman137 (talk) 15:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
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Staff compensation
I hope that you don't mind, but I took the liberty of updating what compensation each team received on the relevant transaction articles. At this point there are only three of these situations left to sort out. Deadman137 (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Re: Draftees Based on Nationality
I don't have the patience to do the state/province table.
On an unrelated note, you do know that there are better (than twitter) links on the team webpages for some of the minor draft pick transactions from the weekend? You could also find them in the '16 and '17 draft articles. Deadman137 (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Re Re: I calculated your numbers and they also add up to 141 North American players, so our base total is correct. I'll go through it tomorrow and see where the discrepancies are. Deadman137 (talk) 02:27, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- The numbers are all accounted for now. One Alberta player was mistakenly in the Missouri column so that brings the total up to 87 Canadian players using the provincial/state table and the two unaccounted for Canadians (using the provincial totals) are Chychrun and Day which matches the Nationalities table total of 89. Deadman137 (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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No problem. Figured it would be best to have more than one updating that list. Rusted AutoParts 23:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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Re: "Unresolved conditional draft picks" Sorting
There is a hidden note on the table. Obviously the round that the pick is in is the first sorting criteria. The second sorting criteria is alphabetical order of team grating the pick, it's more consistent with the rest of the article content as the confirmed trades are sorted this way. Deadman137 (talk) 22:03, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
David Moss
Apparently he retired yesterday, I didn't add it to the article because I wasn't sure how you wanted to handle it. Deadman137 (talk) 23:44, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
- Sounds reasonable to me. Deadman137 (talk) 00:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
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2016–17 NHL transactions
I'm writing in regard to this edit. How is you source for Noesen's signing more "neutral" than mine? NJ.com is not run by the Devils so your reason for that change is silly. Moreover, your link doesn't even work, and that's another reason for restoring the earlier reference. Sabbatino (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
RE: Royal Rumble
I'm just adding them as a precautionary measure. Yes, I know the cruiserweights of 205 Live also compete on Raw, but they are labelled differently from the rest of the Raw Roster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OfficiallyGoodenough (talk • contribs) 02:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Alfred Jewel
Thanks for your edit to Alfred Jewel. Please could you add a citation for the claim. — Rod talk 07:48, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Bickell
Technically, since the Hurricanes missed the playoffs, isn't Bickell's season (and thus career) over? Rusted AutoParts 02:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- I think it would be save to hold off till tomorrow. NHL will likely publish an article about Bickell's retirement that can be used. Same with Shawn Thornton, who threw his skates in the trash after the Panthers last game. Rusted AutoParts 03:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Staff Compensation
We're done dealing with any more staff compensation picks. The conditions on the last one have been determined and have been dealt with in the 2015–16 transactions article. Deadman137 (talk) 18:23, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- I admittedly forgot about, so thanks for doing that Deadman137! –uncleben85 (talk) 18:44, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Your edit war with Sabbatino
I suggest you just give up. If you haven't realized by now, Sabbatino's opinion is supreme, and no one else's opinion matters. It must be his way. Must! Must! Must! He is all-powerful, all-knowing, and he has been given some bullshit editor powers that can make the wikipedia lives of the rest of us just hell if we don't tow his line. Give up and just accept it when he reverts your edits.BumbleBum (talk) 04:44, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you! Did I mess up somewhere? Did I not repeat multiple times that I understand Toninato and Walker were unsigned and that that wasn't my point, but that my point was the NHL views unsigned prospects as part of an organization? I tried to repeat myself and be clear, and tried to show relevant CBA articles and precedents, but I guess that's how it goes sometimes... –uncleben85 (talk) 04:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
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Quick heads up
The conditions on the 1st or 2nd in the Evander Kane trade is much uglier than you have listed in the transaction article. Deadman137 (talk) 06:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
- Deadman137 Thanks! I've heard conflicting reports about both of being contingent on Kane re-signing and on Stanley Cup performance... Hoping to find something more clarifying... Do you know xl ever the conditions are? –uncleben85 (talk) 00:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- I was able to piece it together using the trade summary from the league, the Mercury article and Pierre LeBrun's twitter feed (yes I used someone's twitter account for information). It would be such a simple deal if not for the lottery protection; it is possible that the 1st is only protected if it's in the 3 or 10 picks like we've seen in other deals. So far all I've been able to find out is what is written in the draft article about it being lottery protected, which is any of the first 15 picks for non-playoff teams. I'll keep looking for more information but I'm not going to change anything unless someone can find a more detailed source. Deadman137 (talk) 13:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
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Talk:2018–19 NHL transactions
If you want to have a binding conversation about changing the season start date then consider starting an RfC. I don't think that whatever the result is, that it would be in any way controversial. Deadman137 (talk) 16:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! Was really unsure about how to get a conversation started!–uncleben85 (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Free Agency
Good luck today. It’s gonna be a busy one I can feel it. Rusted AutoParts 14:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
- Haha thanks bud! Gonna be a crazy one. Alright started some prep on my sandbox even! –uncleben85 (talk) 14:47, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Karlsson conditions
The league has the full breakdown on their site and I've added what I can at the moment to the draft articles. Deadman137 (talk) 20:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Deadman137, that'll come in quite handy!–uncleben85 (talk) 20:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
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Anaheim/Vancouver trade
You are technically right that the league announced the trade after midnight in the Eastern time zone, however keep in mind that the teams involved in the transaction are located three time zones west. So out there the trade was actually announced on the previous day (I know that you understand this, I'm just busting your chops a little). Honestly I really don't care which way this works out, but sometimes in the past we have differed to the earliest date of the transaction in the locations involved in the deal. Deadman137 (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm fine with that, if you are. At least you were willing to talk about it, haha. Because it is spread out across multiple timezones though, the League does use EST (where it's headquarters is) for official records. But I do get your point. For the teams/players involved it was the 16th. I think that does leave a little grey area/subjectivity when you get a trade that straddles two time zones though - like if Detroit and Chicago make a trade at 12:30 EST and 11:30 CST, or more extreme, Florida and Vancouver make a trade at 1:30 EST and 10:30 PST. –uncleben85 (talk) 14:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry UB, just seeing this thread on your page here now (just undid you undo of my change). I'm going off of what Deadman has noted above, but also that all three press releases (Canucks, Ducks, and NHL) use January 16 as the date. Because we don't know exactly when the paperwork was submitted to NHL head office, that's what I think we have to go on. The paperwork could very well have been submitted prior to 9:00 pm Pacific (midnight Eastern) considering how close after 9:00 pm the trade was announced, but we just can't know that for sure. – Nurmsook! talk... 20:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- All releases say January 17 for me! It's not a big deal, I won't push it anymore, but I do think it makes sense to have it standardized to avoid these confusions, haha. Thanks for reaching out Nurmsook!! –uncleben85 (talk) 18 January 2019
- Ah yes, seeing that now. When I set my computer clock to Eastern time, I also get Jan 17 as opposed to Jan 16 when it's set to the usual Pacific time. I wonder if it's worth having the NHL transactions page based in Eastern time, similar to how we have all times on the Stanley Cup playoffs page listed in Eastern (even when it's two Western teams playing), and then individual team pages based on the timezone that they're located in. As long as there's a note saying all transactions are based on Eastern time somewhere, I think that would work well for the transactions page anyways. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hmmm... yeah! That could work. Did you imagine a public note, or a note hidden in the source, with "<!-- -->"?–uncleben85 (talk) 04:58, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
- Ah yes, seeing that now. When I set my computer clock to Eastern time, I also get Jan 17 as opposed to Jan 16 when it's set to the usual Pacific time. I wonder if it's worth having the NHL transactions page based in Eastern time, similar to how we have all times on the Stanley Cup playoffs page listed in Eastern (even when it's two Western teams playing), and then individual team pages based on the timezone that they're located in. As long as there's a note saying all transactions are based on Eastern time somewhere, I think that would work well for the transactions page anyways. – Nurmsook! talk... 17:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- All releases say January 17 for me! It's not a big deal, I won't push it anymore, but I do think it makes sense to have it standardized to avoid these confusions, haha. Thanks for reaching out Nurmsook!! –uncleben85 (talk) 18 January 2019
- Sorry UB, just seeing this thread on your page here now (just undid you undo of my change). I'm going off of what Deadman has noted above, but also that all three press releases (Canucks, Ducks, and NHL) use January 16 as the date. Because we don't know exactly when the paperwork was submitted to NHL head office, that's what I think we have to go on. The paperwork could very well have been submitted prior to 9:00 pm Pacific (midnight Eastern) considering how close after 9:00 pm the trade was announced, but we just can't know that for sure. – Nurmsook! talk... 20:11, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Brandon Montour trade
(I'm a monster for even mentioning this). Technically the picks in this trade are 2019 or 2020 because both of them are lottery protected in 2019. I'm not going to bother adding this to the 2020 draft article as it would take a miracle for San Jose to miss the playoffs this year. Also, I don't even want to attempt to try and figure out tonight the wording that would be required if one or both of these teams got their hands on one of the three lottery picks. Deadman137 (talk) 04:15, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oh jeez. This is potentially very complicated...
- As it stands:
- If San Jose makes the 2019 playoffs, their 2019 1st-round goes to Buffalo, and their 2020 first-round pick goes to Ottawa.
- If San Jose does not make the 2019 Playoffs, (according to ProSportsTranscations) San Jose can choose to give their 2019 or 2020 pick to to Buffalo, however, San Jose then traded that conditional pick conditionally in the Karlsson trade such that they have to give their 2020 1st-round to Buffalo and their 2019 first-round to Ottawa in this scenario, and their choice is nullified...
- Additionally, if St. Louis' 2019 1st-round pick is outside the top 10, it goes to Buffalo, but if it is inside the top 10, then St. Louis' 2020 first-round goes to Buffalo.
- So that leaves Buffalo with either San Jose's 2019 or 2020 1st, as well as either St. Louis' 2019 or 2020 first.
- And then, Buffalo traded one of those conditional firsts, conditionally...
- Buffalo will trade their San Jose pick (either 2019 or 2020) to Anaheim if Buffalo gets St. Louis' 2019 pick, but it is below pick 20.
- Anaheim will have a choice between San Jose and St. Louis' pick if Buffalo get's St. Louis' 2019 pick, and it is pick 20 or above. (The choice 99.9% likel being Anaheim taking the better pick.)
- What if Buffalo gets St. Louis' 2020 pick? Is it just San Jose's pick, regardless of year? Or is it still Anaheim's choice, since anything in 2020 is technically later than pick 20 in 2019..? Or... if both picks are in 2020, do the same conditions apply, for simplicity sake: 1-19, Anaheim gets San Jose's, and 20-31, Anaheim gets the choice??
- Sorry for this mess... consider me thinking out loud, hahaha–uncleben85 (talk) 05:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
- Now you understand why I hope that both San Jose and St. Louis make the playoffs and clear out most of this mess. Deadman137 (talk) 15:35, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Player movement out of the NHL
Hey. I seem to be at lost regarding the players' movement out of the NHL. If "Player X" signed a contract with "Team A" of non-NHL league on April 20, 2019, then his transaction should be listed in the 2018–19 or 2019–20 NHL team's page? – Sabbatino (talk) 06:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- So far, we've been keeping everything in the page of the year it happened in, not the year it necessarily affects. So a player signing a contract on April 20, 2019, even if the contract is for 2019-20, would be in the 2018-19 page. Also as of right now, we only have an imports section, which itself is relatively new (I think I started it in 2017-18, and then went back and filled in the few seasons before that, as best as I could), but we do not have an exports section for players moving out of the NHL to other Leagues. I would be open to including an exports table, I just find those are a little harder to nail down (would take a lot of combing through eliteprospects), as a lot of the info isn't actually publicized, especially for smaller leagues, or only done so on foreign language sites or in more obscure news sources/more twitter, etc.–uncleben85 (talk) 14:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. Some of the 2018–19 and older season ages confused me since it seems there are inconsistencies regarding the moves to other leagues. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Where there any inconsistencies in particular? Hopefully I can either help clarify why they were put there, or we can fix it if need be. –uncleben85 (talk) 12:37, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Various teams' 2018–19 pages had players listed, who moved to other leagues, while the 2017–18 season was not over, but I have already fixed them. What I really want to know is when does the new league year start. At the conclusion of the NHL Awards' ceremony or on draft day? – Sabbatino (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- According to the CBA, July 1, at least with respect to contracts and player transactions. My vote is to start the 2019-20 Transaction page on July 1, 2019. –uncleben85 (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- If regarding the transactions then yes, July 1 is the start. But that does not explain why the trades from, for example, the 2018 draft are in the 2018–19 pages. I can vaguely remember from the discussions in the past (at this point I do not exactly remember where they took place so it is either the project, articles' and/or editors' talk pages) that the cutoff was after the NHL awards ceremony, which would justify why the trades from the draft are in the new season's page. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Our articles have the arbitrary cutoff of the draft; draft day is when we've started the new page in the past. There's literally no point to it, and I've been one of the biggest advocates to change that, been have essentially been told "but that's what we do"... But I do agree that all transactions should be on one page. I don't think we should have a signing from May 25 on next year's page, but a trade from May 26 on next year's, for example.
- In my opinion, the cutoff should be after the awards ceremony as has been done with the teams' season pages. I mean, the season is officially over when personnel are presented with the awards and the next day is a new start and everyone starts from zero. But of course this is just my own opinion and this matter should be taken to WT:NHL. – Sabbatino (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- I can totally see that logic as well! I like July 1, because it's pretty much the only date listed in the CBA and it stays consistent, unlike the draft or awards, and, in top of that, it's a new month so you dint have to have two sets of Junes in each page (a small gripe, but I think it is a little friendlier to the user). Please do start a talk! I had resigned myself to not drumming it up again this, because I do pretty much every year, and every year nothing happens! But I won't feel as guilty if someone else brings it up, haha
- In my opinion, the cutoff should be after the awards ceremony as has been done with the teams' season pages. I mean, the season is officially over when personnel are presented with the awards and the next day is a new start and everyone starts from zero. But of course this is just my own opinion and this matter should be taken to WT:NHL. – Sabbatino (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- Our articles have the arbitrary cutoff of the draft; draft day is when we've started the new page in the past. There's literally no point to it, and I've been one of the biggest advocates to change that, been have essentially been told "but that's what we do"... But I do agree that all transactions should be on one page. I don't think we should have a signing from May 25 on next year's page, but a trade from May 26 on next year's, for example.
- If regarding the transactions then yes, July 1 is the start. But that does not explain why the trades from, for example, the 2018 draft are in the 2018–19 pages. I can vaguely remember from the discussions in the past (at this point I do not exactly remember where they took place so it is either the project, articles' and/or editors' talk pages) that the cutoff was after the NHL awards ceremony, which would justify why the trades from the draft are in the new season's page. – Sabbatino (talk) 18:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- According to the CBA, July 1, at least with respect to contracts and player transactions. My vote is to start the 2019-20 Transaction page on July 1, 2019. –uncleben85 (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Various teams' 2018–19 pages had players listed, who moved to other leagues, while the 2017–18 season was not over, but I have already fixed them. What I really want to know is when does the new league year start. At the conclusion of the NHL Awards' ceremony or on draft day? – Sabbatino (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Where there any inconsistencies in particular? Hopefully I can either help clarify why they were put there, or we can fix it if need be. –uncleben85 (talk) 12:37, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation. Some of the 2018–19 and older season ages confused me since it seems there are inconsistencies regarding the moves to other leagues. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
NHL season transaction pages
Heya, first of all want to thank you for the work you put into the transaction pages, its often where i find myself in order to update player pages so very much appreciated.
I'm aware over the years the issue of starting new seasons has been ongoing and i have read the talk page of the 2018–19 nhl transactions to see you intend to roll over to the 2019–20 season on July 1 due to contract reasons.
However, i've noticed NHL.com has unveiled a 2019–20 Trade tracker, starting with transactions from June 14, so i think this should be properly considered as to keep the transaction page consistently in line?
I agree to add the import signings that you have already put in the 2019–20 page on July 1, but i think the retirements trades and buyouts from June 14 an onwards should be moved to the 2019–20 page for it to reflect the NHL's position. Thoughts?
Cheers Triggerbit (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
- That, I can get behind. There's an official NHL commentary on that date, and it make sense to have the Stanley Cup winning game be the las day, even if it changes from year-to-year. I still like July 1, as it is a fixed date, and it makes the most sense for what I focus on, transactions, but I would support a June 14 date, more than a draft-related date. A Stanley Cup-relate date would, at the very least, not split the buyout window... That said, there is a lot of inertia behind the draft being the first day of the new season, on here. It'll be an uphill battle, but I'd back it, if we can't get July 1. Also, thank you very much for the kind words! I love working on this stuff, and I am glad its a go-to place for you! –uncleben85 (talk) 13:40, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry if I am a little late to comment on this but if either of you want to propose moving the start date of the transactions up to around shortly after the end of the Finals or the day after the Cup gets handed out, I would support that. The likely hood of moving the date to July 1 is probably never going to happen. The main debate point a proposal like this would face is in regard to the NHL awards taking place after the season has technically ended, but if that could be navigated this could be doable. In order for this to work, a cohesive agreement would need to be worked out before presenting this to a larger group. If that can be worked out here, there is a decent chance that this could go through. Deadman137 (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Citations for draft pick only trades
If you're looking for decent citations for these trades you'll need to go to a team website to find one as the league did not publish their usual day two summary listing all of these trades. If you don't want to work too hard, you can take what you need from the draft article as I did find citations for all of those deals. Deadman137 (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Deadman! I haven't had a whole lot of time this year, so I just went with the already aggregated links on the NHL Trade Tracker, until I (or whoever) could pull better ones together! That's great to know you have them on the draft page though, that'll help a lot! –uncleben85 (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you
As always thank you for your help on the free agent additions. Not as hectic as I anticipated but was at least nice to know someone else was there to keep the table updated. Rusted AutoParts 00:49, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
- Yes! And thank you to you, too! Sorry if I stepped on your toes a couple times with conflicts, haha, but it was a huge help having someone else there to keep track of it all!–uncleben85 (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Not a problem!
Just some confusion on my end with the Hakanpaa stuff. Just trying to help out when I can! — Preceding unsigned comment added by IKnowHowToSpeak (talk • contribs) 05:26, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
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2020 Stanley Cup Finals
There is no rush on this request, but if you get a chance could you copy and paste the citations from the transactions article into this article for any players that were traded to or signed by the Lightning or Stars this past season? Deadman137 (talk) 05:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- Sure can! –uncleben85 (talk) 12:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
2020 Draft
Hey, do you want to pull double duty and put the names in for about 30 minutes? Deadman137 (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Sure thing–uncleben85 (talk) 17:20, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Deadman137 Back? –uncleben85 (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, though I'm trying to get the trades fixed up, you know the usual fun of day two. Deadman137 (talk) 18:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank God, hahaha... Madness! –uncleben85 (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Feel free to take what you want from the draft article for citations. Still haven't found anything yet on the Ducks/Blue Jackets condition yet. Deadman137 (talk) 06:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I was using the twitter ones until I found something better. That's great. And yeah, I figure it's just at their discretion, but haven't found anything on it yet either!–uncleben85 (talk) 12:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Feel free to take what you want from the draft article for citations. Still haven't found anything yet on the Ducks/Blue Jackets condition yet. Deadman137 (talk) 06:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank God, hahaha... Madness! –uncleben85 (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, though I'm trying to get the trades fixed up, you know the usual fun of day two. Deadman137 (talk) 18:22, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
- Deadman137 Back? –uncleben85 (talk) 18:18, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Free agency
Good work today. Was relatively lax in comparison to other years lol. Rusted AutoParts 03:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
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Quick heads-up
Keep an eye on the Habs/Flyers deal as Montreal has/had two 7ths in 2022. Deadman137 (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
- Nice catch. We'll see how that develops...–uncleben85 (talk) 19:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Pick 91
Heads up, before the trade between Carolina and Chicago, the Blackhawks had three picks in the third round in 2022. Deadman137 (talk) 21:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Deadman137:Thanks, CapFriendly has it as CHI's own, but worth keeping an eye on, if they change that.–uncleben85 (talk) 21:16, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm doing the same thing for now just as a placeholder, plus there's a 33% chance of being right. Deadman137 (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I should also mention that we can keep an eye on this with this [1] link. Chicago is pretty much the only team that does this. Deadman137 (talk) 23:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is so handy, why don't all teams do that! haha–uncleben85 (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Good news, the pick traded in 22 was Chicago's own pick. The Flames used to have a useful list for pick tracking as well, but it went away when the league had all the team websites designed by the MLB firm. Thankfully the NHL records site has the exact same style of table that the Flames' site used to have.
- That is so handy, why don't all teams do that! haha–uncleben85 (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- We'll also have to keep an eye out on the Vancouver/Winnipeg trade as the Jets had two 3rds. Deadman137 (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Could you help me?
If you have any knowledge of the subject, could you help me update pages about Liiga (finnish first-tier league in hockey) teams. They are very old and rosters outdated. KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 21:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- @KRANKENWAGEN:I can't commit to the whole project, but I can help out. It really is outdated. Our safest bet is to go through eliteprospects–uncleben85 (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Im already using Elite Prospects. It's a great website. I have had to create tons of free accounts to not run out of free page views :D KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
One option i sometimes used for roster updates when i updated Ässät roster was their homepage. It can be hard to understand for some people since finnish is just gibberish KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weird, my free account I can use as much as I want... I have updated the main Liiga page. What were you thinking was priority? Rosters?–uncleben85 (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Team rosters and the important things, just updating i guess. Maybe create some player pages but i can do that. KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 23:04, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
My player pages are not the best quality though.-KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 23:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
I will continue later, im going tp sleep because it is 2:45 am. -KRANKENWAGEN (talk) 23:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Free Agent Frenzy
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To another year of good teamwork. Apologies for the premature additions. Rusted AutoParts 01:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC) |
- @Rusted AutoParts: Cheers indeed, that was wild! That's gotta be the most signings on Day 1, ever! Thanks so much for your help!–uncleben85 (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
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Eichel deal
TSN has the conditions up on their site. Deadman137 (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Deadman137: Thanks! I was cycling through all of the insiders' twitters to see if any of them would drop the details. CapFriendly pulled through, but, yeah, it matches TSN's update!–uncleben85 (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Your welcome, I figured that you had probably been keeping an eye on it (as I had been too) since the initial report broke. Deadman137 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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Template
Hey, thanks for adding the American hockey roster. We do not use templates anymore, we simply put them into the roster article and transclude it to the (needed) articles. See the women's roster(s) for example. Kante4 (talk) 00:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. Tranferred all the data from the template into the article –uncleben85 (talk) 00:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks (you only need to empty the template and request a deletion). I inserted the roster for the United States at the 2022 Winter Olympics article. If you check the women's roster, that roster "build-up" is/was used also for the last WC's. So, no birthplaces and just the head coach, what do you think? (See 2021 IIHF World Championship rosters, 2019 IIHF World Championship rosters and so on...) Kante4 (talk) 08:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- I don't like any of that, hahaha! But I will defer to consensus, no problem–uncleben85 (talk) 15:10, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks (you only need to empty the template and request a deletion). I inserted the roster for the United States at the 2022 Winter Olympics article. If you check the women's roster, that roster "build-up" is/was used also for the last WC's. So, no birthplaces and just the head coach, what do you think? (See 2021 IIHF World Championship rosters, 2019 IIHF World Championship rosters and so on...) Kante4 (talk) 08:30, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion of Template:2022 Winter Olympics United States men's ice hockey team roster
Template:2022 Winter Olympics United States men's ice hockey team roster has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Nigej (talk) 07:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Chiarot trade
The first in the deal is conditional from an earlier Florida trade with Buffalo. The fourth is the same one from the Vatrano deal earlier today. Deadman137 (talk) 01:55, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks Deadman137! Super helpful as always! (And reading that back, I hope that doesn't come off as sarcastic, in text, because I genuinely mean that, haha)–uncleben85 (talk) 02:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
- It came off the way it was intended. Plus we've helped each other out on these for many years with all of these conditional deals, so sarcasm would be a little odd in that situation. Though at this point, I'm not sure if the trade conditions are getting worse or teams are just very cautious in moving assets. Deadman137 (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
'22 Trades
Hamonic citation is up on Canucks site. Still waiting on details from Giordano trade (as I'm sure you are too). Deadman137 (talk) 19:55, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Watch the Dermott deal as Vancouver has three thirds over the next two drafts (2 in 22 and 1 in 23). I'm thinking the Giordano deal is likely a three team deal given the length of trade call. Deadman137 (talk) 20:51, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
- So, looking like VAN 2022 3rd for Hamonic; WPG 2022 3rd for Dermott; and TOR 2022 2nd, TOR 2023 2nd, TOR 2024 3rd for Giordano. That what you're getting, too?
- Yep, that's only thing that the sources are telling me and it checks out with my cross-referencing. Plus, usually when a team reports that the pick was traded, I'll take that as true. Deadman137 (talk) 23:26, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
Keep an eye out on the McBain trade. Minnesota reported it overnight on their site, but the league and Coyotes haven't posted anything. The 2nd in the deal is from Vancouver. I'm waiting for confirmation from the latter two before doing anything. Deadman137 (talk) 14:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I saw it confirmed just after I wrote this. Deadman137 (talk) 14:49, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
2nd in Fleury deal is Minnesota's, so that deal is complete. Ottawa/Boston trade has one complication, Ottawa has two 7ths in 22. Deadman137 (talk) 18:04, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Deadman137: Been hearing (minor) mixed messages on the Fleury conditions: "4 wins", "4 game appearances", and "4 games finished". Not sure what you've heard!
- It's four wins. [2] Use this for Copp deal, it's ugly. Deadman137 (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, that's what I settled on too. Lol, it really is ugly. Expensive, too–uncleben85 (talk) 20:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- It's four wins. [2] Use this for Copp deal, it's ugly. Deadman137 (talk) 20:46, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Domi deal is a three team deal with Florida in the middle. Dadonov trade is unknown at this time. Deadman137 (talk) 22:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
As if this day could any longer, I hid the Dadonov trade in both the draft article and the transaction one as well, as the trade is now in dispute. If it goes through I'll remove the formatting and reinstate the information, if the trade is voided we'll have to remove it. Either way we'll be waiting until the league rules on the matter. Just wanted to give you a heads-up as to why I did this. Deadman137 (talk) 03:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
2022 NHL Entry Draft
Thanks for adding the Minnesota compensatory 2nd round pick and updating all of the pick numbers. I know how tedious that task can be. Deadman137 (talk) 01:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Hey! Not a problem, I was actually hoping it would help lighten your work! Feel free to tweak any formatting or wording with the MIN compensation–uncleben85 (talk) 02:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)