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Yo Ho Ho
Reasoning behind Ping
I make it short, the reasoning behind my ping was I am still behind hassled by Rusf10 (I was pinged by him). Since I am not allowed to comment on his comments and I have had no contact with him, I asked you and Floquenbeam to kindly ask Rusf10 to do the same. While I am disappointed you are "not interested", I am doing what I said I would and was told. This concludes my reasoning/explanation behind my ping of you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:29 on April 5, 2021 (UTC)
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Lyodra Ginting
Dear @Drmies,
Please do not change the infobox on Lyodra Ginting article, especially the genres. She is a pop — specifically pop ballad — and R&B singer, not just a "pop music". I have cited the reliable sources on Artistry (from Indonesian musical news site). Lyodra's first three singles are pop ballad and the fourth is pop R&B. Cosmopolitan Indonesia has wrote about her as "the new face of Indonesian R&B music" — I have cited this on Artistry. Pop ballad genre is also exist on the Genre section in Sentimental Ballad article.
By the way, Billie Eilish article also uses flat list occupation template and they put more than two pop genres on infobox, e.g., pop, electropop, dark pop. Well, I am still confused about the deletion of those parts.
I accept your correction about YouTube cited sentences, but I cannot find any article that relatable to her interview on that channel. About Personal Life, I use the same format with Billie Eilish and other artist articles, e.g., where and with whom she lives now. For your information, the Early Life and Personal Life contents were accepted and didn't count as some mistake by the editors of Wikipedia Indonesian edition, including an administrator. One of them just merged them into one section: Life (bahasa Indonesia: Kehidupan) — although the YouTube cited sources still considered as abuse filter log by system.
I wrote she loves acting and a former member of theater club because it's relate to her occupation as an actress, the same thing happened to vocal class sentences. They also wrote Billie Eilish is a former member of dance class on her article.
Because of my limited English proficiency, I cannot write exactly the same as the Indonesian article version. You could read it on the Indonesian version of Lyodra Ginting (in Bahasa) article. Google Translate tools might help, although not 100% correct.
Thank you very much. Cheers, Fetus Lyly (talk) 07:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Fetus Lyly, thanks for your note. I removed the genres because they were unverified (in that box) and "pop" seemed pretty uncontroversial. I and other editors have an aversion to overlisting, and those flatlists are overused and overrated, IMO. Your frequent comparisons to the Eilish article aren't very helpful: that article has a plethora of very solid sources. That she's Catholic, that she has a younger brother, that she was bullied in school, that her sister lives elsewhere, that she's dating--that's trivial until it becomes such a frequent topic in proper secondary sources that it actually matters in an encyclopedic article. Please don't think that every factoid should be included just because you have a source for it. In the case of Eilish, note that the "personal" section is very brief, very well-sourced, and the facts cited there seem to be relevant to her career. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Drmies. Thank you for your detailed explanation. I really appreciate it. I understand, I'll feel the same if I spend 14 years on Wikipedia haha. IMHO, flat list seemed pretty lit.
- Pardon me, I didn't understand about "plethora of very solid sources". Does it mean in positive or negative way? It means too much of ....?
- Ah I see, I can't find Billboard or Variety sources for Lyodra. Billboard Indonesia is suck, they never maintain their site. Kompas is pretty reliable though.
- I don't know, maybe there's something like grey area? If possible, would you mind to save some lines in Early Life that still could be considered as relevant? For example:
- 1. Besides her musical interests, Lyodra loves acting. She is a former member of theater club at St. Ignasius Junior High School, Medan.
- 2. At the age of 10, she attended intensive vocal course with Derta Purba, who also taught Indonesian solo soprano singer Putri Ayu Silaen.
- 3. Lyodra raised in a Catholic family and given the baptismal name Margareta.
- (correct my grammar if I wrong)
- Once again, thank you. Greetings from Greater Jakarta, Fetus Lyly (talk) 03:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- "Plethora" simply means "a ton". Being a member of an acting club is just a piece of personal information; a solid secondary source can prove it's meaningful. An intensive vocal course can be relevant, if properly verified, but that the teacher also taught someone else is not relevant. Raised Catholic--well, how is that relevant to her career as a singer? Thanks, and take care, Drmies (talk) 17:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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Commander Waterford
I have a suspicion that 49.149.117.75 might be a sock of Commander Waterford. Doing NPP, I saw a prod from this IP, and on the talk page, a note about adding GA stars to articles. Given the very recent indef, I just wonder if this is a sock. --Whiteguru (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) I don't think so – their timecard indicates that CW is in Europe; the IP is from the Philippines (where we'd expect to see very different timing patterns), and I see no evidence of that IP currently acting as a proxy. Edit summaries like this do give off a problematic vibe, though. --Blablubbs|talk 10:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm no sock-spotter, but I don't see it either. CW has quite a distinctive cadence, partially from his linguistic background (some of his wording makes more sense in Catalan), and never expressed any particular interest in video games. My understanding from the prior SPI is that CW frequently edits through proxies, so I don't know how much the geolocation means, but the behavioural evidence isn't here to someone who's interacted with CW a fair amount. Vaticidalprophet 10:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know CW's work well enough to comment on that, sorry, and so I can't legitimately run a check. And I think the above two comments are pretty convincing. Drmies (talk) 14:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm essentially certain that this isn't a proxy (I ran checks at the time of my comment). I do think this might be MRY based on the interest in video games and trolling. The filing states that if one was to check, one would find proxy use (Icewhiz does use them), but there is no data indicating that this is actually the case (Waterford was stale at the time). --Blablubbs|talk 15:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- The CU log does not indicate that CW uses proxies. Not sure how that was garnered from that SPI. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm no sock-spotter, but I don't see it either. CW has quite a distinctive cadence, partially from his linguistic background (some of his wording makes more sense in Catalan), and never expressed any particular interest in video games. My understanding from the prior SPI is that CW frequently edits through proxies, so I don't know how much the geolocation means, but the behavioural evidence isn't here to someone who's interacted with CW a fair amount. Vaticidalprophet 10:08, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Helena Kuipers-Rietberg
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for remembering her! ... and the difficult review! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Of course--and thank you for your help. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- See my talk today for the result, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
CU question, duck?
- BigDwiki (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam) (blocked Nov 2, 2019)
- ManuelLopezz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam) (created Nov 8, 2020, blocked Feb 16, 2021)
- AntoineHound (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam) (created Feb 17, 2021)
Hello, Drmies; I suspect some ongoing sockpuppetry; nearly identical userpages (previous: [1],[2],current: [3]); same old Alabama-related haunts (Mobile Government Plaza, Lagniappe (newspaper)), but I don't recall the staleness threshold for previous investigations. Would filing a CU relating to User:BigDwiki or User:ManuelLopezz be likely to yield anything substational? I think this may be approaching WP:DUCK, but I'd like a second opinion on that. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think the Lagniappe edits are a clincher. It's too late for CU to show overlap; isn't there an SPI? That might have some suspected IPs listed? When you block, you can throw in that the geolocation matches what I remember (granted, that's not enough by itself) and some logged-out editing (which you probably already saw). Thanks, Drmies (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Request for help
Hi, Drmies. TruthBuster21223 is a single-purpose account on the Owen Benjamin article who you have interacted with in the past when they were attacking me. They are currently repeatedly inserting this information. This seems like an undue addition and potential BLP violation about a local zoning dispute that is using inflammatory language not supported by reliable sources, as neither of the cited websites use the term "Aryan Style" and the word "cult" is taken from a press release by Benjamin's neighbors that is quoted in self-published article on the "Kootenai Valley Times" site. I don't want to waste your time, but does that added content seem appropriate to you? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know--you're both in blockable territory. I'm looking at the actual edit and the sources. Drmies (talk) 21:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I reverted the edit twice yesterday when it was only sourced to the self-published website, and then once today after leaving a comment on the other editor's talk page, which I thought was appropriate given the potential BLP violation. Would you be able to let me know what I should have done in this type of situation instead? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- You may have been right the first time, but once the second source is added you're on shakier ground. It is hard to see the actual paragraph as a BLP violation. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The second source does not contain the word "cult" or "Aryan", and the other source is a self-published website by Mike Weland. I thought it was a BLP violation to include those types of accusations when they have no reliable sourcing. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- There is a fine line between "self-published website" and "small time local paper". You look at the "About this" page, it doesn't seem all that partisan or agenda-oriented. A BLP violation--meh, it's more about the piece of land than about the person, and in this case then the better route is to use the second source as the basis and the first one to add the neighbors' concerns. For instance, there is no pressing need to doubt that there exists "a citizen’s advocacy group opposing 'Owen Benjamin’s White Nationalist Compound in Sandpoint'", and that they presented a document to this country planner, or that this Vietnam vet said he was worried about the weapons bit. When you have legitimate reason to doubt statements like "A group met with Boundary County Commissioners this morning after filing a land-use complaint six weeks ago and hearing nothing back", then you have a case, but I don't really see that you can't use that website as long as things are properly cited and contextualized. Drmies (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The second source does not contain the word "cult" or "Aryan", and the other source is a self-published website by Mike Weland. I thought it was a BLP violation to include those types of accusations when they have no reliable sourcing. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:34, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- You may have been right the first time, but once the second source is added you're on shakier ground. It is hard to see the actual paragraph as a BLP violation. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I reverted the edit twice yesterday when it was only sourced to the self-published website, and then once today after leaving a comment on the other editor's talk page, which I thought was appropriate given the potential BLP violation. Would you be able to let me know what I should have done in this type of situation instead? – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Drmies. Thanks for your time. I think my point has been proven. Two independent articles I used to source this information. It is further evidenced as Wally claims it doesn't state Aryan style, which it explicitly does. This proves either maliciousness or lack of attention. That alone should suffice to prove his reverts are unwarranted. Thanks. In fact, the point about an Aryan Style compound is in the first paragraph of the article. TruthBuster21223 (talk) 21:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- OK. Anyone's problem, first of all, should be with the poor writing, and the bare URLs that are thrown in there. TruthBuster21223, if you want to play here, you have to play by the rules, and in this case that also means that if you add sources to an article you should do that in the existing style, meaning that in this case you need to use proper citation templates. You also need to work on that writing. "Resides" is just "lives", and the second sentence is ungrammatical. User:Wallyfromdilbert, "Aryan Style" is not in the article, but "many in the community concerned of an “Aryan Nations” style compound" is, and that's pretty close--just a matter of writing. The inflammatory language is in fact supported by the two sources, but it might need to be ascribed in a more clear way to the neighbors--"supposed" helps, but maybe not enough (for your taste). If that content is rewritten, I don't see any problem with it; it seems like a serious enough thing, especially if it's being advertised as "his new Ruby-Ridge-style compound". Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, the source you quoted both times is a self-published website by Mike Weland ("Kootenai Valley Times" about page). I did not think that was an appropriate source for any information on a BLP, much less this type of content under the BLP policy (WP:BLPSPS). The other source does not use the word "cult" or "Aryan", but does mention "alleged 'Ruby Ridge style' compound", although with no additional details about any connection to a cult or white supremacy, and it only discusses the zoning issues after that regarding the dispute with the neighboring residents (article link). The language about "Ruby Ridge" is from the complaint by the neighbors, and not how the property is being advertised by Benjamin, who describes it as "a community campground with cabins and utility" according to the non-self-published article. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Others advertise it as a Ruby-Ridge thing, yes, as that local newspaper reports. You keep calling it a "self-published website", but at some point that gets a bit silly. The question is whether we have good reason to doubt their accuracy, and how much we base on that source. Which is why I said to write material based on the second and use the first to add. Again I ask, do you have reason to doubt the existence of that citizen's advocacy group? Or that the neighbors are scared of what might be happening there? Or conversely, and this is your opponent's question, why would you want to leave it out? Some sources are more reliable than others, and some sources need to be handled with more care than others, and some sources need to just not be used. But this little paper, even though it's run by one person and a business manager, meh. If he were lying he'd be out of business already, so assume some good faith, and handle with care. And if you are convinced this is a BLP violation, then take it to BLPN. But right now, I don't see one. Drmies (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The one self-published source says that the complaint by the neighbors included a screenshot with that claim regarding "Ruby Ridge", and I do think those types of details and discrepancies are important, especially on a BLP. I also believe there are valid reasons to doubt that the reliability of that source, especially as its owner/editor/writer also lives in the same small community, and the entire article is basically just quoting various aspects of the complaints against Benjamin by the neighbors. The website in general has little content and many days have no more than one new posting, with most of the content looking like press releases from local schools, police, and community organizations. I also do not believe I agree with your assessment about how the economies of local websites work (especially given that the most profitable news network in the United States regularly reports falsehoods), and I do still think there is a BLP violation here. I am going to take this to BLPN as you suggest, but I really appreciate your time as well as the assistance with the civility issues. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- wallyfromdilbert, do me a favor, and stop saying "self-published source", OK? It's a small-town newspaper. Everyone of them is "self-published", but so are a lot of other things, and I sense that you are using it to cast doubt on its value. Drmies (talk) 23:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, I will certainly not use that term anymore on your talk page. However, the website appears to have one writer who is also the owner, editor, and manager. That is not how most small-town newspapers are operated. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, I think your recent comment to BLPN was a little out of line. I do not know why you would suggest that I go to BLPN if you are then going to post there accusing me of forum shopping. Also, my comment on BLPN was posted before MjolnirPants responded here (and obviously before Morbidthoughts could respond on the BLPN thread), and so I am not sure what you meant by being "pointed in the right direction". I try very hard to present issues on noticeboards neutrally, and I would appreciate if you would show me the same assumption of good faith that you mentioned earlier. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 00:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, I will certainly not use that term anymore on your talk page. However, the website appears to have one writer who is also the owner, editor, and manager. That is not how most small-town newspapers are operated. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 23:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- wallyfromdilbert, do me a favor, and stop saying "self-published source", OK? It's a small-town newspaper. Everyone of them is "self-published", but so are a lot of other things, and I sense that you are using it to cast doubt on its value. Drmies (talk) 23:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- The one self-published source says that the complaint by the neighbors included a screenshot with that claim regarding "Ruby Ridge", and I do think those types of details and discrepancies are important, especially on a BLP. I also believe there are valid reasons to doubt that the reliability of that source, especially as its owner/editor/writer also lives in the same small community, and the entire article is basically just quoting various aspects of the complaints against Benjamin by the neighbors. The website in general has little content and many days have no more than one new posting, with most of the content looking like press releases from local schools, police, and community organizations. I also do not believe I agree with your assessment about how the economies of local websites work (especially given that the most profitable news network in the United States regularly reports falsehoods), and I do still think there is a BLP violation here. I am going to take this to BLPN as you suggest, but I really appreciate your time as well as the assistance with the civility issues. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Others advertise it as a Ruby-Ridge thing, yes, as that local newspaper reports. You keep calling it a "self-published website", but at some point that gets a bit silly. The question is whether we have good reason to doubt their accuracy, and how much we base on that source. Which is why I said to write material based on the second and use the first to add. Again I ask, do you have reason to doubt the existence of that citizen's advocacy group? Or that the neighbors are scared of what might be happening there? Or conversely, and this is your opponent's question, why would you want to leave it out? Some sources are more reliable than others, and some sources need to be handled with more care than others, and some sources need to just not be used. But this little paper, even though it's run by one person and a business manager, meh. If he were lying he'd be out of business already, so assume some good faith, and handle with care. And if you are convinced this is a BLP violation, then take it to BLPN. But right now, I don't see one. Drmies (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Drmies, the source you quoted both times is a self-published website by Mike Weland ("Kootenai Valley Times" about page). I did not think that was an appropriate source for any information on a BLP, much less this type of content under the BLP policy (WP:BLPSPS). The other source does not use the word "cult" or "Aryan", but does mention "alleged 'Ruby Ridge style' compound", although with no additional details about any connection to a cult or white supremacy, and it only discusses the zoning issues after that regarding the dispute with the neighboring residents (article link). The language about "Ruby Ridge" is from the complaint by the neighbors, and not how the property is being advertised by Benjamin, who describes it as "a community campground with cabins and utility" according to the non-self-published article. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- I might be able to offer some useful tidbits here, as I've spent time in the region and co-own some property up there. I've even met the owner of kvt.news. For what it's worth, I'd treat it the same as any other small-town newspaper, and would not agree that it's a blog of any sort. Also, the locals are extremely spiteful towards white supremacists, owing to the recent (30 years or so) history of the area. I'm 100% sure that the "Aryan-style" comment is one of the more genial ways locals have described it, and I'd be shocked if someone isn't at least threatened with shooting or an ass-whooping by the end of this.
I'll expound more if anyone's unaware and interested. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
DYK for L. Zenobia Coleman
—valereee (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- Valereee, are you familiar with Wikipedia:Did you know/Statistics? We got 16,000 views on this--can you maybe put this up in the right place? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Do you know did you know?
Someone needs your help at Talk:Wises Landing, Kentucky#DYK, Doktoro, but has asked me thinking that I can spell DYK.
This came out of User:Hog Farm/Kentucky#References.
There are tens of thousands of likely bogus "unincorporated community" articles for the United States. Look how many books I've had to go through to handle just 33 of them.
(Anyone who isn't aware, see Project:Reliability of GNIS data/Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection for background.)
Uncle G (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
Why the reversal
Hello, why the reversal. The article says "Us has more policemen than the world average" What is the world average. And well since recently US is no more "35 %" below the average. The article is also very american centered.
--Joujyuze (talk) 18:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
I din't edit the words by the way just marked them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joujyuze (talk • contribs) 18:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I know, and that's the problem. Please read the edit summary. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Spellchecker never works except instances where you don't want it to.....
Thanks Prof. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was kinda hoping no one would see it. You should see the errors that this other friendly editor is correcting in my writing. Thanks for the block, BTW. Drmies (talk) 20:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Cruft on National Society of Collegiate Scholars
Does the primary-sourced cherry-picked-as-"notable" financial info belong? One of its (re)contributors noted on my talkpage that the intent of including it is purely for pov/advocacy. DMacks (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- DMacks, I was looking at that too, but decided that the best solution for now would be to go walk the dogs, which we did. I don't know. I think financial information is valuable, just like CEO salaries and stuff, but of course it can have POV aspects, depending on what is presented and what isn't. If we (royal "we") decide that it is, we might also have to conclude that primary sourcing is acceptable, or the annual report or whatever. I don't rightly know where I come down on that. But as with so many of those articles, there's other fish to fry, which may be bigger fishies--the article has two secondary sources in all? I think everyone in the US will know the organization has some kind of notability, but it is so hard to prove that via the GNG. It's similar with Sigma Tau Delta, which I'm involved with--it's thousands of members, a convention where big names show up, tens of thousands of dollars each year in scholarships, and a presence at hundreds of universities, but sourcing that adequately and even proving notability is a difficult task. Let me see what that contributor said. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Shocking Kentucky news
Actually or possibly notable in Trimble County, Kentucky | "unincorporated community" GNIS rubbish that the mass-importers gave us instead |
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Most of the "possibly"s are in a single sentence in the county histories. Demaree is as equally dismissive as Rennick, saying that "[m]any of these locations were just 'store-school-church' crossroads". |
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I apologize that you now have to re-read Wises Landing, Kentucky, Doktoro. I've only slightly expanded it, though.
Uncle G (talk) 10:01, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sure lots of people are happy that someone is putting Kentucky on the map. Me, well. I drove through it one time, and had a convention or two in Louisville. But whatever you do with Wises Landing is your own. (Seriously, I'm in awe.) Drmies (talk) 13:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Drmies/Selection
I moved Drmies/Selection to User:Drmies/Selection. It looks like you intended it for your own user space and that its creation in article space was accidental. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
My page is Not being Reviewed since commaderwaterford last reviewed it
Hello @Drmies,
@CommanderWaterford reviewed my draft on 18th may. It was rejected by him and there was no obvious reason for it but still I worked on my Draft:Phosphoester Bonds again and re-submitted my draft for review. But now it is not being reviewed by anyone. I don't know why. The first time CommanderWaterford reveiwed it in 7 hours. But this time it has been over two weeks and no one not even CommanderWaterford is reveiwing my draft and now i saw his User Talk:CommanderWaterford and he has been blocked indefinitely by you.
I wonder if thats the reason why my draft is not being reviewed yet or is it natural that reviews take time like 5 months or more. But according to Wikipedia rules and guidelines my draft will be deleted after 6 months. So what do i do? Please i would be grateful if you responded to this talk ASAP.
Thank you,
User:Souradip Mandal Souradip Mandal (talk) 13:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher)@Souradip Mandal: There is a backlog. It will be dealt with in due time. Guidelines explicitly exclude drafts which have been submitted for review. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- User:Souradip Mandal, thanks, but please don't ping CommanderWaterford: they're blocked indefinitely and pinging them when they can't respond is very unfriendly. I can tell you this: that article draft needs serious cleanup. Anytime one sees sources like this one the chances of it going live are diminished. It needs copyediting too, for grammar, for capitals, etc. Then, I don't understand what you were trying to do in the references section: you write out what are supposed to be references, and reference them with the same reference? No, references need to be provided for specific statements in the article. Finally, I wonder if those images aren't copyright violations. So if you like I can review it right now, and simply reject it again--I think you need to come to a clearer understanding of how articles here are structured and then do some serious work. Try to make it look like Covalent bond. Drmies (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Overlinking
Regarding Music of the Federated States of Micronesia. Doesn't MOS:OVERLINK only occur in the case of the most famous and largest countries? In that case, I was literally inconvenienced that the country reference was not listed - and had to navigate through 3 articles to figure out exactly what the music referred to - country or region. The name of that country certainly doesn't seem familiar to most readers, doesn't it? Solidest (talk) 01:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Depends on the reader, maybe. I don't totally disagree, but if something is an independent country, one can presume a global audience should know where it is. Drmies (talk) 01:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Such assumptions sound subjective. Just as subjective as my opinion, according to which the vast majority of readers have no idea that the object is a country and not a region, union, or something else. And even what Micronesia is and especially where it is located. And if there is such a precedent, then WP:OVERLINK is not appropriate here. Solidest (talk) 01:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Many things are subjective, but I think Micronesia is not the right one to make this argument about. But [Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking]] would be a good place to start that discussion, and of course Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section is relevant here as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Such assumptions sound subjective. Just as subjective as my opinion, according to which the vast majority of readers have no idea that the object is a country and not a region, union, or something else. And even what Micronesia is and especially where it is located. And if there is such a precedent, then WP:OVERLINK is not appropriate here. Solidest (talk) 01:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Socks and harassment
Special:Contributions/Keepingitabuck is suspicious for all the usual reasons. Mind taking a look? Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 11:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Not much more for me to do than to do block--sorry. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Apparently Daszak is a popular target - see [4]... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- This might need redaction due to excessive amount of quoting without it being for any encyclopedic purpose other of course than to cry foul about censorship.. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC).
- RandomCanadian, do you see now that hiring GorillaWarfare would be the best decision the WMF could ever make? You owe it to her to adopt a cat in need, and love it. Drmies (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yep, agree. In any case, ducks be quacking once more... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)
- RandomCanadian, do you see now that hiring GorillaWarfare would be the best decision the WMF could ever make? You owe it to her to adopt a cat in need, and love it. Drmies (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- This might need redaction due to excessive amount of quoting without it being for any encyclopedic purpose other of course than to cry foul about censorship.. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC).
- Apparently Daszak is a popular target - see [4]... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Off-topic: Special:Contributions/47.138.36.205 keeps making non-requests about facts (mostly numbers) already included in articles and well I don't quite know what to do with that kind of thing (it's not exactly disruptive other than being a minor time sink, but it's not exactly constructive). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:55, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Did you know …
- … that there have been 48 post offices along Goose Creek (Oneida, Kentucky) and its various tributaries (including Martins, Beech, Collins, Little Goose, Horse, and Laurel Creeks) including Plank named after a plank, Grace named after (not that one!) Grace Kelly, and Bluehole after a blue hole?
- … that Peabody, Kentucky wasn't Peabody until after Peabody no longer owned it?
- … that Garrard, Kentucky owned by Garrards wasn't Garrard until the railway came?
Uncle G (talk) 17:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Holy shit, Uncle--we should clone you. Please do ping me when you get to Alabama. Also, that's 9 QPQ reviews... Drmies (talk) 18:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- You need a source as good as Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data/Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection for Alabama. That said, it appears that English professors get paid to do serious stuff in Alabama. Unfortunately, their work isn't as easily accessible to those of us without the Main Beaming and Tex-Mex Lexus and suchlike. Uncle G (talk) 14:24, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Foscue, Virginia Oden (1989). Place Names in Alabama. University of Alabama Press. ISBN 9780817304102.
- Foscue, Virginia Oden (1978). The place names of Sumter County. American Dialect Society Series. University of Alabama Press. doi:10.1215/-65-1-17. ISBN 9780817306632.
- Vasiliev, Irina (1989). "The Naming of Moscows in the USA". Names. 37 (1): 51–64. doi:10.1179/nam.1989.37.1.51.
- Bibb, J. Porter (1921). "Montgomery County Present Day Place Names Showing Aboriginal Influence". Arrow Points. 2: 1–3.
- Wright, Amos J. (2003). Knight, Vernon James (ed.). Historic Indian Towns in Alabama, 1540–1838. University of Alabama Press. ISBN 9780817312510.
- You need a source as good as Wikipedia:Reliability of GNIS data/Robert M. Rennick Manuscript Collection for Alabama. That said, it appears that English professors get paid to do serious stuff in Alabama. Unfortunately, their work isn't as easily accessible to those of us without the Main Beaming and Tex-Mex Lexus and suchlike. Uncle G (talk) 14:24, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, here we go: according to Vasiliev there's one Moscow, and it's in Sumter County, but according to this it appears to be in Marengo County, on the other side of the Tombigbee--and there's two. Maybe one of them is the "landing", cause it's closer to the river, but the coordinates in Moscow, Marengo County, Alabama point to the other one. Drmies (talk) 15:04, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Did you know that the Tombigbee at Moscow is to be bridged with cocks? Drmies (talk) 15:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- So there's the two Moscows (or the two words "Moscow") in Marengo County. On the other side of the river is a geological feature called "Moscow Landing", where an Auburn geology student did some research; he wrote a master's thesis on the topic, and I've emailed his director for an email address--but the man is now with emeritate, so it might be a while. I could drive out there but it's already close to lunch time; I might make a day trip of it with the kids this week. I ordered the Foscue PADS publication through ILL, and I'm getting the relevant pages of her book, Place Names in Alabama, from Special Collections. But all this is pretty much completely new to me, and I don't know the conventions and the go-to sources. So I'm going to stick with this one place, in this one county, and maybe write that up. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Kindest edit I ever saw
During a password reset last week I was reacquainted with a long-forgotten special purpose user account I created and used for two weeks in 2014, for working with elementary school students. While looking over the work product of that account, I stumbled across this edit, which I remembered heartened me at the time; the edit continues to charm, though it no longer appears in mainspace. I don't remember how I got anyone else involved (I honestly can't remember to which admin I reported my new user account). I just wanted to remind you that you are a good human being, and I'm glad I edit with such people. BusterD (talk) 16:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- BusterD, thank you so much for that. I'm afraid I'm no longer the same person, I think--I wish I was the person who'd get in touch to try and get the animal license. But then, maybe I was charmed by the incredible cuteness of the text. Thanks--I really appreciate it and I'll try to do better than I'm doing these days. Drmies (talk) 18:02, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- We concur on the contemporary cuteness. I have heard said that we reveal ourselves best through our actions (I like to think we reveal ourselves best through play, not work, and this is kinda both). IMHO, you don't have much to regret. I can tell you from RL, acting from a position of trust is difficult work and takes a daily toll. Of course it's entirely possible that I've chosen this opportunity to blow smoke up an admin's patoot! All the best. BusterD (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, BusterD, there's something you can do to change that balance a bit. You've been here longer than me, your fifth edit was already fantastic, your block log is shorter than mine--you're a shoe-in for adminship, despite that earlier attempt. I support. Anyway, I'm watching the president speak in Tulsa--I'm happy to be working on a project that can help increase the knowledge of things that were covered up. Take care, Drmies (talk) 20:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kind words. I'm also watching the president this afternoon and it's distracting me from Jane Douglass White, my latest infatuation. I think I'd run into a roadblock because I was User:CorporateM's mentor ten years ago. I'm still quite proud of my association with that editor, but I feel my views on paid editing (that it's inevitable and the best way to deal with it is to assume good faith and train such professionals to a standard of behavior, which CorporateM always maintained) won't stand me in good stead with the torch and pitchfork crowd. Also, sixteen years of editing and I'm just not an FA guy. I've got two GAs I claim credit for. The newest article might easily get there. The only FA on my list is William F. Raynolds, and User:MONGO did all the heavy lifting. Perhaps I might put myself forward for pre-examination. I'd be proud to serve. BusterD (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Haha Corp! I miss those big fat checks I used to get from his outfit. You don't need a bunch of FAs, of course--but you've moved more infantry regiments than I wrote DYKs. There was some chatter about AfD closures? Have you closed any recently, like this last decade? And I guess it's fair to ask if you'd want to be one in the first place, and what you'd do with those awesome powers. Psst, that stuff about the $5 per block, that's all baloney. Drmies (talk) 00:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Kind words. I'm also watching the president this afternoon and it's distracting me from Jane Douglass White, my latest infatuation. I think I'd run into a roadblock because I was User:CorporateM's mentor ten years ago. I'm still quite proud of my association with that editor, but I feel my views on paid editing (that it's inevitable and the best way to deal with it is to assume good faith and train such professionals to a standard of behavior, which CorporateM always maintained) won't stand me in good stead with the torch and pitchfork crowd. Also, sixteen years of editing and I'm just not an FA guy. I've got two GAs I claim credit for. The newest article might easily get there. The only FA on my list is William F. Raynolds, and User:MONGO did all the heavy lifting. Perhaps I might put myself forward for pre-examination. I'd be proud to serve. BusterD (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Well, BusterD, there's something you can do to change that balance a bit. You've been here longer than me, your fifth edit was already fantastic, your block log is shorter than mine--you're a shoe-in for adminship, despite that earlier attempt. I support. Anyway, I'm watching the president speak in Tulsa--I'm happy to be working on a project that can help increase the knowledge of things that were covered up. Take care, Drmies (talk) 20:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- We concur on the contemporary cuteness. I have heard said that we reveal ourselves best through our actions (I like to think we reveal ourselves best through play, not work, and this is kinda both). IMHO, you don't have much to regret. I can tell you from RL, acting from a position of trust is difficult work and takes a daily toll. Of course it's entirely possible that I've chosen this opportunity to blow smoke up an admin's patoot! All the best. BusterD (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks
I have recently been having some trouble with a Wikipedia user who is on one of those anonymous IP Addresses. They keep adding information which isn't sourced and removing other information despite being warned. I noticed you blocked a user with IP 1.129.110.126 recently who I think might be the same person who has been trolling the Cronulla page. It might be worth investigating.Sully198787 (talk) 20:49, 1 June 2021 (UTC)