Islanders
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Howdy. Question is though, is it a permanent "A" for Brock Nelson, or merely filling in during Captain Anders Lee's injury, as 'at least' 3 letters are required during a game. GoodDay (talk) 18:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- @GoodDay: The source clearly indicates that he will be alternate until Lee returns. However, this is different since the team issued a press release about it and Lee missed more than half of the season, and who knows when he will return next season. It would be a completely different story if Nelson filled in for two or three games since teams do not announce such replacements (which we do not list). – Sabbatino (talk) 06:16, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- IMHO, we shouldn't list him as an alternate, since he got the 'letter' because of Lee's absence. But, I'll not protest any longer & will go along with the 1985-86 Montreal Canadiens precedent. The Habs in their season ending team photo, had Mats Naslund where an "A" along with Robinson & Tremblay, since he filled in for Tremblay during the last-half of the '85-'86 season & the entire playoffs. Also, there's the season ending 2003-04 New Jersey Devils team photo, having Stevens 'and' Niedermayer wearing the "C" (the latter filling in for the half-season injured former). So no probs. GoodDay (talk) 14:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
NBA conference standings
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I'm noticing just today that you removed several pages from the separate categories for Eastern and Western Conferences a few days ago (I found out because there's now a request for speedy deletion going on right now, and I was notified about the cases as their creator). Is there any necessary reason behind this, because I had started to separate the templates into separate categories a while back? –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 16:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Piranha249: Please refer to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association#Standings tables. I want to also add that usually an editor finishes its work when he/she starts something and changing categories is not that hard. – Sabbatino (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Your conduct
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As you are aware, you were given a final warning in February 2017 regarding your personal attacks towards other people [1]. This happened as part of a larger discussion about your conduct. In many cases recently (examples; [2][3]) you have made accusations about people's literacy. After 8 years on this project and more than 87k edits, I am at a distinct loss as to how you could begin to believe these sorts of comments are anything other than a direct personal attack towards people when you should treat each other with respect and civility. Given that earlier discussion, given that discussion wasn't an isolated event, given that you've been given a final warning, it must be unequivocally clear to you that you are out of line with your behavior. Yet, it continues. Further, despite prior discussions regarding your edit warring behavior, you continue to engage in such behaviors (examples: At Chris Paul with [4] and [5], and at National Basketball Association with [6] and [7]). In both cases you failed to make any attempt to discuss the issues with the respective editors either on the talk page of the articles or on their talk pages. Per WP:REVTALK, you should not be using edit summaries to continue a dispute nor to express opinions about other editors. You have been here a considerable amount of time. By now, you should know better than to believe your behavior is somehow appropriate in a collaborative editing environment. Any further behavior such as what I've identified above or other behavior that is incongruent with collegial editing here will be met with a temporary block of your editing privileges here. You must consider this a final warning. With this final warning, you've now been given two final warnings separated by four years. If your conduct hasn't improved in four years, and this second final warning is incapable of getting you to amend your behavior, I dare say nothing will. You are on an extremely slippery slope. You can choose to either abide by community norms for civil discussion and behavior here or you can choose to be blocked by continuing the behavior. Either way, this ends now. How it ends is a choice I leave to you. I hope you decide well. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Hammersoft: I am amazed that you are judging me by few selected edits when you probably did not try to understand the situations at Chris Paul and National Basketball Association pages. The situation at Chris Paul page – the discussion about the issue is not over at WT:NBA and WP:STATUSQUO must be restored until the discussion is over. The situation at National Basketball Association is different since such additions have been reverted in the past by other editors (and not just me). It would really be wise to understand certain situations instead of just throwing an accusation and warning against me. I also see that a certain editor wrote on your talk page regarding my edits instead of directly asking me, which I believe is bad faith. I did not mean anything bad by it (I wonder from where the editor got the implication that my edit summary was related to someone's problems with learning comprehension). If certain page's name has diacritics then it should be correctly reflected everywhere else unless certain WikiProject has some rules regarding it (like WP:NCIH). Do I feel being followed? Of course I do. If someone has a problem or a question regarding my editing then they should just ask me instead of complaining to other editors. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- The warning stands. It would behoove you to take the opportunity to understand that calling someone illiterate does nothing to enhance the editing environment and stands directly against our policies here. You know our policies. There is no excuse. Trying to make this go away by making accusations towards me or other people will not work. If you are not willing to embrace that reality, you will find yourself blocked. As I said, this ends now. The choice of how it ends is yours. I do hope you choose well. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Hammersoft: I am not "Trying to make this go away by making accusations towards...". I simply stated a clear fact that if someone has a problem then they should just come to me. In addition, I will archive this to avoid further miscommunication which is evident for me. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
- The warning stands. It would behoove you to take the opportunity to understand that calling someone illiterate does nothing to enhance the editing environment and stands directly against our policies here. You know our policies. There is no excuse. Trying to make this go away by making accusations towards me or other people will not work. If you are not willing to embrace that reality, you will find yourself blocked. As I said, this ends now. The choice of how it ends is yours. I do hope you choose well. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Expansion of the National Basketball Association
Hello, I noticed you recently opted to undo a substantial edit of additions made to Expansion of the National Basketball Association, citing unsourced content and WP:OR (I'm assuming you meant WP:NOR). I'm curious as to where specifically you considered the sourcing to be inadequate, considering several direct sources were used for the data that upon another review, appear to back up everything that was added in this edit. I invite you to check the edit again and identify the unsourced content so the appropriate additions can still be made without any dispute. However, if my removal of the following tag is what you are disputing, I'd be happy to put it back, as I realize that was an arbitrary decision I may have made too hastily and independently:
I appreciate any specific feedback as significant effort has been put into improving this page by myself and other users in recent months. I value the efforts of fellow users like yourself who work to improve pages like this one and ensure appropriate sourcing. Cheers. Azure1233 (talk) 14:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Azure1233: WP:OR and WP:NOR is the same thing so I do not really see why you would get confused. All of the sections that you added were either unsourced (Tampa Bay) or had a reference that had nothing to do with the NBA (St. Louis), and both of them were original research. In addition, there are only four major leagues in the United States and Canada (NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB), while MLS and CFL are sometimes included in the top 6 list, but neither of them are considered as major leagues compared to the top 4 leagues. And we do not add charts/tables like "Potential expansion markets comparison chart", because that is clearly original research. A city with 2–3 million people is not guaranteed to get a team, because there are many other things that are taken into consideration when picking the location for a new team. You can ask the same question at WT:NBA. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
@Sabbatino: I see what you were referring to now as far as original research and clearly understand the revert now. I’ll be mindful of this in the future. Azure1233 (talk) 13:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)