Modification request
It's not entirely uncommon for RMs to be made without a specific name proposed. See here for an example of one that just closed. It usually happens, as it did there, when an editor is dissatisfied with a current name but isn't sure what it should be instead. Could the destination parameter of this template be made optional, then? It omitted, the notice would simply read, "It was proposed on {{{date}}} that this article should be moved. The result of the debate was {{{result}}}." This will probably only occur with failed requests, or else we'd still have two names to work with. --BDD (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
- Just a belated note that this was Done on 2 February 2013 – Wbm1058 (talk) 02:11, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Question
Why does this template at Talk:United States federal government shutdowns of 1995 and 1995–96 display brackets right next to a bracketed link? Toccata quarta (talk) 13:48, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
- @Toccata quarta: The link was a URL, and the template expects wiki links. This edit fixed it. – Wbm1058 (talk) 01:22, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
unprotect
@CambridgeBayWeather:, please unprotect the template (or semi protect it). It is not highly visible (its on talk pages), and it just have 511 transclusions. Christian75 (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- It's only semi-protected now. I changed it from template editor to semi. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 22:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks :-) Christian75 (talk) 10:00, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Editrequest
Please add a parameter to specify a revision link, as pages do get archived, so the discussion link can get broken. The revision link would specify the revision id of the closure.
| text = On {{date|{{{date}}}|mdy}}, it was proposed that this {{Talkspace detect|main=article|template=template|file=file|draft=draft|portal=portal|default=page|other=<font color=crimson>Error: This template should be relocated to the talk page</font>}} be [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|moved]]{{#if:{{{from|}}}| {{sp}}from {{no redirect|{{{from}}}}}}}{{#if:{{{destination|}}}| {{sp}}to {{no redirect|{{{destination}}}}}}}. The result of the debate was '''{{#if:{{{revision|}}}||[{{{revision}}} {{{result}}}]|{{{result}}}}}'''. {{#if:{{{link|}}}|(See [[{{{link}}}|discussion]].)}}
This will add {{{revision}}}
that links to result using a full URL revision link, if one is provided.
-- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 04:33, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- I see that you made this request after updating Talk:Parachutes and Talk:Parachutes (album). It is not necessary to update the template code to do this, and I fixed your parameters in those templates to do what you intended. The documentation should be updated to show both options for the parameter link – either a simple link to the current talk page or talk page section, or a permanent link instead. "Link" may be a poor choice of terminology for that parameter's name. It doesn't literally mean a url, but rather a wikilink without the [[ ]] brackets. The template supplies the brackets, for the convenience of the editor. – Wbm1058 (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
dmy dates
I see that mdy dates are hardcoded into this template. Could we please have a parameter that lets us specify dmy dates, for those topics where dmy dates are used in the article itself? I wouldn't want new editors who look on the talk page be confused that mdy should be the default to use when this may indeed not be the case. I have no idea whether a talk page template can look for the dmy/mdy template in the article itself but if so, that would be the most elegant solution. Schwede66 18:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
- Ugh, that's so annoying! Regardless of what format you supply, the template forces the mdy format. Doubly annoying given that the RM requests themselves use by default the opposite dmy format in their section headings. – Uanfala (talk) 00:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's really an easy fix and I've now added a
|dateformat=
with default value of mdy to preserve current behaviour during discussion. I'm not sure what the default value should be though. mdy, dmy and whatever the first parameter uses are the ones I'm considering here, but would like to hear your opinions @Schwede66 and Uanfala. --Trialpears (talk) 14:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)- Than you! But that makes things more complicated. Can't they be made simpler instead, by just accepting the format from the user's input? If there absolutely must be a default option, then it makes sense for that to be dmy: that's the default format that {{RM}} uses for the section heading, and it's the most commonly used format on Wikipedia articles as a whole: {{Use dmy dates}} has 4.5x more transclusions than {{Use mdy dates}}. – Uanfala (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed, thank you, Trialpears. Far more countries use dmy than mdy. Schwede66 16:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Uanfala My reasoning for using Module:Date when creating the module version was that when multiple dates were used that they would have a consistent format. That was (and still is to a lesser extent) not the case for many {{old moves}} transclusions. By using the date format used by the first entry in the list for all of them I think many of the concerns could be alleviated. What do you think about that solution?
- Otherwise, I agree that dmy probably should be the default for the reasons you two mentioned and if no one objects in the next few days I will change the default. --Trialpears (talk) 12:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, so that's why! Yes, picking up the date format from the first listed move sounds like the best option, and sticking to dmy would be the next best thing. – Uanfala (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Turns out there isn't a ready made module for date format detection like I thought. I've just changed the default to dmy. --Trialpears (talk) 13:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed, thank you, Trialpears. Far more countries use dmy than mdy. Schwede66 16:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- Than you! But that makes things more complicated. Can't they be made simpler instead, by just accepting the format from the user's input? If there absolutely must be a default option, then it makes sense for that to be dmy: that's the default format that {{RM}} uses for the section heading, and it's the most commonly used format on Wikipedia articles as a whole: {{Use dmy dates}} has 4.5x more transclusions than {{Use mdy dates}}. – Uanfala (talk) 15:00, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's really an easy fix and I've now added a
TfD of {{old move}} and {{old moves}}
FYI, Template:Old move ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and Template:Old moves ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated at Templates for Discussion. -- 65.92.246.246 (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Module and merger
I've made a module version of this template at Module:Old move. It's based on the well established Module:Copied and support an arbitrary amount of discussions by iterating parameters (e.g. |result2=
and |link3=
). Other changes include making the text closer to {{Old XfD multi}} and slightly shortening it, adding better support for missing parameters and adding |to=
as a alias for |destination=
.
Here are two examples from real articles with one and three discussions respectively. The one discussion version has been properly tested and should be bug free, but not the multiple discussion version as I intend to do that while migrating {{old moves}} transclusions.
{{subst:#invoke:Old move/sandbox|main}}
{{subst:#invoke:Old move/sandbox|main}}
What do you all think? If no one objects I will take the module live and start migrating transclusions in a few days. --Trialpears (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Trialpears: looks good to me. TheTVExpert (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
After quite a few days this is now done, old moves conversion has been started (slowly). --Trialpears (talk) 10:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Trialpears, would I be correct in assuming part of what is causing the (slowly) to appear in your message because it requires checking the number of {{old move}}s on the page? Primefac (talk) 13:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
- Primefac That isn't a big issue but more a slight annoyance. The actual issue is just how many different ways people format these as {{old moves}} essentially gives an empty text box for people to add whatever information they want. Haven't done any of these in a while but I intend on starting it up again shortly. --Trialpears (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2021 (UTC)