Charles Matthews (talk | contribs) |
BrownHairedGirl (talk | contribs) →Template:Constlk: oops! at least eight different parliamentary chambers or Assemblies |
||
(One intermediate revision by the same user not shown) | |||
Line 26: | Line 26: | ||
*'''Comment''' ''if kept'' it needs to be '''renamed''', since the UK is not the only country in the world. '''rename to''' {{tl|UKconstlk}}, replace all instances, and delete the current name. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.27.180|67.70.27.180]] ([[User talk:67.70.27.180|talk]]) 04:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' ''if kept'' it needs to be '''renamed''', since the UK is not the only country in the world. '''rename to''' {{tl|UKconstlk}}, replace all instances, and delete the current name. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.27.180|67.70.27.180]] ([[User talk:67.70.27.180|talk]]) 04:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
||
:*Very good point, but {{tl|UKconstlk}} is insufficient disambiguation. Within the United Kingdom, there have been in the last 100 years been constituencies for at least eight different parliamentary chambers or Assemblies: |
|||
::#The [[House of Commons of the United Kingdom]], at Westminster |
|||
::#The [[House of Commons of Northern Ireland]], at Stormont 1921–1973 |
|||
::#The [[House of Commons of Southern Ireland]], in Dublin 1921–1922 |
|||
::#The [[Scottish Parliament]], in Edinburgh 1999–present |
|||
::#The [[Senedd]], in Cardiff 1999–present |
|||
::#The [[European Parliament]], 1979–2020 |
|||
::#The [[Northern Ireland Assembly]], 1973–1974, 1982–1986, and 1999–present |
|||
::#The [[London Assembly]], 2000–present |
|||
::This template serves only the first item on that list, i.e. [[House of Commons of the United Kingdom]] at Westminster ... but its massively ambiguous name coukd apply ti nay of them. So if kept, it should be renamed to unambiguously describe its actual function: [[Template:Parliament of the United Kingdom constituency link]] or [[Template:House of Commons of the United Kingdom constituency link]]. |
|||
::However, the verbosity of an unambiguous title destroys the brevity which is the sole source of the convenience sought by its creator @[[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]]. Since there is no way of squaring that circle, the remedy is deletion. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 09:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
|||
*'''Keep'''. I created it, indeed a simple template, as a time-saver. It saves me time. I saw it then, as now, as a legitimate use of the template system. It's just a macro. I would say "not broken don't fix". No case made so far. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 04:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. I created it, indeed a simple template, as a time-saver. It saves me time. I saw it then, as now, as a legitimate use of the template system. It's just a macro. I would say "not broken don't fix". No case made so far. [[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]] ([[User talk:Charles Matthews|talk]]) 04:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
||
**@[[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]], if it's just a macro, why not subst it? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 07:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
**@[[User:Charles Matthews|Charles Matthews]], if it's just a macro, why not subst it? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 07:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC) |
Revision as of 09:25, 24 May 2021
May 24
Template:Constlk
- Template:Constlk (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This is a simple template, used to create links to constituencies of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom. It is transcluded on about 300 pages.
Every constituency article uses a standard disambiguator "(UK Parliament constituency)"
, so the template just adds the dab and pipes the link:
e.g. {{Constlk|Moray}}
→ Moray
These article titles have been stable since 2006, so there is no need to keep them wrapped in a template. All current uses should be substed, which in the example above will expand {{Constlk|Moray}}
to [[Moray (UK Parliament constituency)|Moray]]
I have no strong view on whether the template should be kept, or tagged as always-substitute. It is not widely used, but if somebody finds it useful then it seem to me to be a bit of tossup whether to keep it. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:59, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment if kept it needs to be renamed, since the UK is not the only country in the world. rename to {{UKconstlk}}, replace all instances, and delete the current name. -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 04:20, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Very good point, but {{UKconstlk}} is insufficient disambiguation. Within the United Kingdom, there have been in the last 100 years been constituencies for at least eight different parliamentary chambers or Assemblies:
- The House of Commons of the United Kingdom, at Westminster
- The House of Commons of Northern Ireland, at Stormont 1921–1973
- The House of Commons of Southern Ireland, in Dublin 1921–1922
- The Scottish Parliament, in Edinburgh 1999–present
- The Senedd, in Cardiff 1999–present
- The European Parliament, 1979–2020
- The Northern Ireland Assembly, 1973–1974, 1982–1986, and 1999–present
- The London Assembly, 2000–present
- This template serves only the first item on that list, i.e. House of Commons of the United Kingdom at Westminster ... but its massively ambiguous name coukd apply ti nay of them. So if kept, it should be renamed to unambiguously describe its actual function: Template:Parliament of the United Kingdom constituency link or Template:House of Commons of the United Kingdom constituency link.
- However, the verbosity of an unambiguous title destroys the brevity which is the sole source of the convenience sought by its creator @Charles Matthews. Since there is no way of squaring that circle, the remedy is deletion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I created it, indeed a simple template, as a time-saver. It saves me time. I saw it then, as now, as a legitimate use of the template system. It's just a macro. I would say "not broken don't fix". No case made so far. Charles Matthews (talk) 04:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Charles Matthews, if it's just a macro, why not subst it? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: As far as I know, the onus is on the proposer. If someone wants to make a bot job of replacing it, I don't care. In typical text like "MP for Lostwithiel, Bossiney and Camelford" using {{constlk}} is convenient and you'd not be making it more convenient, but less. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Charles Matthews, I strongly disagree that an obscure and ambiguously-named template is more convenient for anyone other than the editor who uses it as a personal macro instead of simply pasting the dab from a clipboard manager. The effect of the usual piped link is clear is the page markup, which the template is not.
But thank you for not opposing substing it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:03, 24 May 2021 (UTC) - My metric here is my keystrokes. My time. My volunteer time. It is potentially useful for anyone who doesn't want to type "(UK Parliament constituency)" (28 keystrokes). You bring in other considerations. I rest my case. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Charles Matthews, I strongly disagree that an obscure and ambiguously-named template is more convenient for anyone other than the editor who uses it as a personal macro instead of simply pasting the dab from a clipboard manager. The effect of the usual piped link is clear is the page markup, which the template is not.