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American Descendants of Slavery
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Descendants_of_Slavery
We are having repetitive issues where editors are changing the wikipedia for American Descendants of Slavery to omit information and present the group inaccurately. Editor Ritchie333 had to correct this prior just two months ago.
On the about just today three hours ago an editor omitted information about one founders Antonio Moore contributing on a progressive site and left information about the other to misrepresent information. They also restructured the page as not about but a biased slander. We have attempted using the talk page and it is ignored. Please have the page reverted to what it was prior to the revisions that make biased omissions to misrepresent the group. The page should be reverted and locked. They also added slanted information about singular statements that shouldn't be on a group page. They changed the whole page and now it isn't a description of the group.
The page is now more of a blog with the goal of making ADOS appear right wing. It has left the line about Southern Poverty and omitted the clearly sourced mention of Moore writing at Inequality.org Here is the source. Its their actual site. https://inequality.org/authors/antonio-moore/. You can omit both but not one and not the other.
Also, there are inaccuracies of added information on the page now. The source doesn't say what the editor asserted. It said "They say" this is basically the editor effectively piecing together material to make their own argument that is not in the source. This is the quote Washington Post quote "They say calling Harris “African American,”..." and the writer is ambiguous to the source of that "they" it is inaccurate.
The editor added this but there is no support. "In one video, Moore criticized Kamala Harris and asserted that she was not "African American" (Harris's father is Jamaican American); the claim was amplified by right-wing figures, including Donald Trump Jr..[" There is no source to support this discussion. And now what the editor did is took one wash post article and made sections off this one article. The prevalence section added is from this same article. As is the misquoted citation.
In addition, now the page both tries to frame the group as small and right-wing which is not for a description page about page. It took citation 5 that the recent editor added and embedded it as the page in all senses. The prior version of the page is a basic description that leaves all assessments to the reception section properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnways21145 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Below is the prior page text please revert:
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American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) is a term referring to (and a lineage-focused political movement advocating for) descendants of the enslaved Africans in the United States from its colonial period onward. Both concepts grew out of the hashtag #ADOS created by Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore.[1] ADOS have made reparations for the system of slavery in the United States a key tenet of their platform.[2] They want colleges, employers and the federal government to prioritize African Americans who descended from American slaves, and they argue that affirmative action policies originally designed to help the descendants of slavery in America have largely been used to benefit other groups.[2] The American descendants of slavery, they say, should have their own racial category on census forms and college applications, and not be lumped in with others with similar skin color but different historical experiences.[2] One of its founders, Carnell, was a board member of "Progressives for Immigration Reform",[3] described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as an anti-immigration group.[4] The other founder Antonio Moore wrote on liberal think tank Institute for Policy Studies site Inequality.org on economics and race for several years.[5]
ADOS cannot trace their ancestral roots to any specific country or tribe on the continent of Africa.[6] Their African ancestors were sold into human trafficking (slavery) by African traders on the continent who made a profit from selling their enemies and other unfortunate people to European traffickers (slavers).[7] Political movement The movement intends to correct the view of outsiders by using statistical and historical data and evidence to speak to the reality of modern life for ADOS (formally referred to[by whom?] as African Americans), whose lives have been impacted heavily by social and economic struggles created by chattel slavery, segregation and Jim Crow, the practice of Red Lining, convict leasing, mass incarceration, and discrimination still found in various forms within the structure of the American political and economic system today. The group continues the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. with the continued fight for social and economic justice as it demands reparative justice and the opportunities they have historically been denied within America. As ADOS explains on its policy page, the group key objective is for reparations for the descendants of slaves who were held in captivity in the United States as well as a larger Black agenda that demands a "New Deal for Black America."[8] This agenda includes but not limited to lineage-specific set-asides for American descendants of chattel slavery, restoration of the protections of the Voting Rights Act, a minimum of 15 percent of Small Business Association (SBA) loans be distributed ADOS businesses, a multi-billion dollar infrastructure plan targeted to ADOS communities along with financial compensation for benign neglect of those communities by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and federal government, comprehensive prison reform and rehabilitation, a refocused oversight and enforcement for ADOS economic inclusion from American banks, and ADOS college debt forgiveness and health care coverage.[8] Supporters of ADOS push the issue on social media with the hashtag #ADOS. As a movement #ADOS draws value from the use of social media, and "sets out to shift the dialogue around the identity of what it is to be African American in an effort to move the discussion from melanin"[9] to the lineage of an American population whose ancestors built the wealth of the United States. Founders The American Descendants of Slavery movement was founded by Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore.[1] Carnell runs a weekly political show called "BreakingBrown"[10] and has been an aide for two Democratic politicians, Senator Barbara Boxer and Congressman Robert Marion Berry.[11] Moore has been a writer for the progressive think tank the Institute for Policy Studies and for the Huffington Post. He was also the producer of the investigative documentary 'Freeway Crack in The System' which was nominated for an Emmy for Outstanding Investigative Journalism: Long Form.[12][13][14] Reception Hubert Adjei-Kontoh of The Outline opined that "#ADOS has managed to synthesize the black left-wing critique of America's origins with a right-wing belief in the inherent superiority of those who were born in America."[15] Kevin Cokley from the University of Texas at Austin is critical of the organisation's desire to separate the descendants of slaves from African immigrants and encouraged the two groups to be united under an African American identity.[16] Malcolm Nance characterised supporters as trolls, calling them "a mix of [African American] proTrump racists [and] nuts.”[3] Talib Kweli is critical of the group because he believes they are aligned with the Republican party against immigration[3] and Shireen Mitchell stated the group was making it easier for black voters to justify voting for Donald Trump.[2] Farah Stockman questioned in November 2019 whether the movement was large enough to warrant discussion on a national level but decided to print an article about the group in The New York Times.[17] Alvin Bernard Tillery, Jr., an associate professor at Northwestern University, states that the issues ADOS raised on who should receive reparations will have to be reflected upon by the black community.[3] William A. Darity Jr. believes the ADOS' premise is based on a distinctive ethnic identity that exists among the descendants of American slaves.[3] He defended ADOS against nativism claims[18] and believes they are supporting people who have not benefitted in the current American system.[2] Cornel West stated at an ADOS conference in Louisville, Kentucky that the ADOS movement was resuming the work started by Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X.[17] |
Johnways21145 (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Johnways21145, hello friend. Not to be rude, but your post is a little long. You may have better luck in the future if you limit your posts to 1-2 paragraphs. Anyway, I took a look at the article you linked. It is semi protected, and the edit history is full of edits by very experienced editors, so I suspect the article is in good shape. I would recommend that you raise any changes you'd like to request on the article's talk page, that way you can discuss directly with the experienced editors I mentioned. All content that is added to articles must follow our policies and guidelines, and experienced editors will help you make sure that your changes follow the policies and guidelines. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:02, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
question about sneed and chuck
In a The Simpsons episode (E-I-E-I-(Annoyed_Grunt)), there is a store that is called "Sneed's Feed and Seed (Formerly Chuck's)". Does this mean the store was called Chuck's Feed and Seed? I don't get it. 41.204.44.147 (talk) 05:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- You'll probably have more success if you go to a Simpson's Wiki. I'm sure there are many out there, maybe at Fandom. Liz Read! Talk! 05:46, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Citing email correspondence?
I'm wondering if it's possible to cite email correspondence between a wikipedia editor and a reputable source, for example, asking a museum archivist about the existence of pieces in their collection when an online catalog is incomplete. I am considering doing this while editing the page Fredric Hobbs--his obituary claims that his art pieces are held in the Museum of Modern Art's permanent collection, but their online catalog is incomplete. I'm not sure if this falls under WP:NOR or not, as if the conversation took place on an email list it seems that it would be fine? If such research doesn't count as "original research," how I would cite correspondence in a useful/verifiable way? - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 13:48, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- The issue isn't ""original research", it's the requirement that cited sources must have been published so that readers can verify the statements they support. Maproom (talk) 14:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Mathmitch7: Unpublished emails are against Wikipedia:Verifiability. We once had a rarely used Template:Cite email but it was against policy from the beginning and was deleted in 2007 (on my nomination). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Got it. So if the exchange was publicly verifiable in some way, it'd be good, but emails aren't that. Great, thanks for the clarification! - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 16:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Now if you could get them to mention this as part of their holdings, in a generally-available publication or newsletter, that would constitute a reliable published source. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:14, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- Got it. So if the exchange was publicly verifiable in some way, it'd be good, but emails aren't that. Great, thanks for the clarification! - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 16:24, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Mathmitch7: Unpublished emails are against Wikipedia:Verifiability. We once had a rarely used Template:Cite email but it was against policy from the beginning and was deleted in 2007 (on my nomination). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Archivist writing Wikipedia pages
I am interested in writing Wikipedia pages that do not exist for authors (noteworthiness tbd) with highly credible published works but I also volunteer for a group that creates audiobooks for works that are in the public domain.
Is this a conflict of interest for me to do both if I am not a writer by profession or hobby but consider myself more of an archivist looking to fill a void?
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tchula65 (talk • contribs)
- Tchula65. Hello friend. This doesn't sound like a conflict of interest to me. A conflict of interest, in my opinion, is a strong financial or personal connection to a specific person or company. The only conflict of interest here might be writing about your volunteer group that creates audiobooks. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 20:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- 'most everybody here has tried our hand at creating articles about topics we think are notable enough to merit an article. Unless the author is paying you, there's no COI. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Assistance with advertising in article
I am requesting assistance cleaning up apparent advertising in violation of the WP:PROMOTION policy in the Toll Brothers ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) article. On March 29, 2021, user TBuser2021 made several edits to the page that appear to be advertising (examples include discussing the company in very positive terms, user referencing "we," and also removed a post about a controversy they had. I went ahead and added the advert template for now. I am looking for an experienced editor to help revert these changes and then post the "Template:Uw-advert1" on TBuser2021's page when finished, along with any other necessary changes. Thanks for any help. Wikipedialuva (talk) 21:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- It appears to be resolved. Thanks to Maproom for cleaning up the article. I went ahead and posted the "Uw-advert1" template on TBuser2021's talk page. Wikipedialuva (talk) 23:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
@Sundayclose
@Sundayclose has treated me poorly and made me reconsider past contributions, editorial and financial, to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davemcor69 (talk • contribs)
- @Davemcor69: You refer to your addition to Lolita being reverted. Sundayclose told you to get consensus. That typically means to start a new section at Talk:Lolita to seek support from other editors. Lolita#Popular music is not meant to have all mentions but a selection. Other mentions have been removed in the past, for example from a 2016 version. I looked up the lyrics to the Suzanne Vega song. It sounds more related to Lolita (term) than to the book. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter: I refer to @Sundayclose telling me to click on "blue links" within their message, condescendingly, and to read a "Welcome!" message with guidelines sent to me in 2017 when my first contribution to Wikipedia was in 2001-2. I understand guidelines need to change over time and I've learned more from your message here than I did from @Sundayclose. Thanks for your time. Davemcor69 (talk) 21:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Bibliography Source
I'm working on a bibliography for a writer but I am, in effect, duplicating the chronological bibliography of another source. Is this considered plagiarism if I am using the information but publishing it in a format I adopted from a bibliography from an already-published wikipedia page? If not, how do I credit the source (webpage) for the information I"m using from their page to create my page? I'd still like to credit the source for their work. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tchula65 (talk • contribs)
- Tchula65, interesting question. I don't know the answer to this one. If you don't get a good answer here, you can always try posting at WP:CQ. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Please undo an arbitrary article name change that was made with no talk or consultation
The article in question is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_(philosophy). The article formerly named Causality has been renamed arbitrarily, on the will of a single editor, with no consultation on the talk pages. I think the change is inappropriate; at least it would need talk page discussion, and indeed consensus.
I am not facile with such big moves as this and I don't know how to do efficiently what needs to be done. I have tried, but I don't know how to undo a redirect. I am asking for urgent help before any further tangles are generated.
I am not sure how much argument I should post here. Briefly, causality is a general ordinary language concept, not restricted to philosophy. If the change of title is to be made, it needs discussion on the talk page.
If I haven't got this request right, please put me right before this gets out of hand.Chjoaygame (talk) 17:21, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Chjoaygame: You can request to revert the undiscussed move on WP:RM/TR#Requests to revert undiscussed moves. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 18:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for your help.Chjoaygame (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
Request about submitting an article without being blocked
Hello, I would like to ask how can I submit an article without being blocked. Thanks--Domiciliato (talk) 13:48, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Help:Your first article....."An Article Wizard is available to help you create an article through the Articles for Creation process, where it will be reviewed and considered for publication. Please note that the backlog is long (currently, there are 5,561 pending submissions; it often takes months). "Moxy- 15:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply Moxy- . Can I show you a draft so that you tell me if it is worth it to submit it for review ?--Domiciliato (talk) 15:11, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Sure thing --Moxy- 15:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Awesome. Where shall I add the draft?--Domiciliato (talk) 15:17, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Create a new draft
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Hi Moxy-On the draft space the article I want to submit has been moved and deleted several times. Is this a problem ? Would it be better to add the draft to my userspace sandbox?--Domiciliato (talk) 15:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes try
- :Stick it in User:Domiciliato/Draft--Moxy- 15:36, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Done--Domiciliato (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- I am there.--Moxy- 15:44, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi Moxy-, I have tried to fix some close paraphrasing according to Earwig's Copyvio Detector. What do you think? Many thanks--Domiciliato (talk) 16:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- Great job ....Giovanni Morassutti.--Moxy- 22:22, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Follow-up on a draft - Louis Jacques Filion
Dear editor,
I created a draft for Louis Jacques Filion, for his already published Wikipedia in French (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Jacques_Filion). I translated the exact same content to English, which can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Louis_Jacques_Filion.
According to Wikipedia, when content is published in any language (for example – French), the process to re-publish it in another language (for example English) would be much faster. I am wondering how long will it take for my English version to be published, granted that the French version is already published?
I appreciate your help,
Rahma — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chourama (talk • contribs)
- Chourama. Hello friend. You've done everything right. You used AFC, and you submitted the draft for review. Easy accepts and easy declines tend to get processed right away (within hours or days). Unfortunately this draft is complicated because of the 36 references, so it may take months. When it is reviewed, the reviewer will leave a message on your user talk page. I will also mention that the English Wikipedia's notability rules are stricter than that of other Wikis, so one has to be careful translating articles. On English Wikipedia, translated articles sometimes do not meet our notability rules. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Clarifying understanding of User Generated Content sources
Hi,
Just so I'm clear, I cannot use any reference information from Ancestry.com or FindaGrave.com, yes? Thank you. --Tchula65 (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)Tchula65 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tchula65 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
- Tchula65, correct, those have both been marked as unreliable at WP:RSPSOURCES. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Preparing to submit draft article with multiple sub-pages for review
What is the best source in Wikipedia to learn how to submit a draft article with multiple sub-pages for review?--Tchula65 (talk) 13:23, 19 April 2021 (UTC)Tchula65
- Tchula65, are you talking about your Draft:Sewell Peaslee Wright Bibliography: Short Stories 1923 - 1926 series of articles? You can just click "Submit the draft for review" on all the pages. They'll be reviewed individually. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:03, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Music bands that were created and or misdated in 1996 and later....
- Suicide Boys
- Skeler
- White Zomnbie
- Stabbing Westward
- Smash Mouth
- 10 Years Gone
- Fetty Wap
- Dierks Bentley
- Linkin Parks Modern Songs
- POD's modern Songs
- Bemudumo 'Gabiga Inc'
- 10 Seconds to Mars
Alot of new bands in Modern times 'Many on this list were made some time during 2015'. In short there's been a 'screw up' in history. Accounting and legal practices mismanaged' 'and or' 'fabricated'. -I'm Michael Gabiga 'United States' Chicago, Illinois 5555 N. McVicker Ave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8b0b:dcd0:b5a0:fe29:c68:1766 (talk • contribs)
- Hello friend. How can we help? Do you have a specific question/request? Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:18, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Willma Gendb (iamwillow) wikipedia or bio
Hello,
I hope this email finds you well.
I wrote an artice about myself (willma Gendb) and i can see it and it shows up on my read and main page . I think i did such a nice job in my writing piece and it really gives informative details about who i am . Please help me figure whats going on with it and why i cant view my bio online .
Thank you for your understanding and help in advance.
dearest regards, Willma Gendb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamwillow (talk • contribs) 05:24, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
- Iamwillow. Hey there. Your article is currently at Draft:Willma Gendb. The next step is to visit that article, and in the box at the top of the page that starts with "Draft article not currently submitted for review", click the blue button that says "Submit the draft for review". This will put it in the queue for one of our reviewers to take a look at. When it is published or declined due to a problem, you will receive a message on your user talk page at User talk:Iamwillow. Hope that helps. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Fawcett Publication vs Fawcett Published Titles
I'm working on a bibliography that cites the magazines of a number of short stories. Among the are several 'Fawcett' publications (i.e., Triple-X Magazine (later renamed "Tiple-X", "Fawcett's Battle Stories", and "Battle Stories" (assumes just rebranding of the title from 'Fawcett's Battle Stories'). Though the Wikipedia link for "Fawcett Publications" does not list these publications, specifically, it seems practical to make a link from these titles to "Fawcett Publications" but I'm not sure this is within Wikipedia standards. Can anyone advise on how I should proceed? Thank you. - 09:19, April 21, 2021 user:Tchula65
- If you have a reliable source that supports putting those publications on the Fawcett Publications page then you can add them there. Even without that change you can put a link in your new {?) article to Fawcett Publications and, if another editor objects, you can ask them for guidance. (Regarding what I'm guessing is a new article, please see Wikipedia:NOTCATALOG). Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 21:04, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
Edit to Winona MS page = Notable People
Hello,
I have tried several times to add Calvin C. Hobbs to the Winona, MS = Notable People page/content. He was a original Tuskegee Airman and on 03/22/18 the state recognized him/his accomplishments with a House/Senate bill = HC78. I have been denied each time. How can I get this added to the page?
Thank you for your help, Michael C. Hobbs
--2601:1C2:600:3710:8161:C114:605D:E953 (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
- I've looked at the edit history page for Winona, Mississippi and don't see where you made an edit or had it reverted. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC)