I need help creating a Wiki page
Hello Wikipedians,
I created a page about a company called Revcontent, its a very popular advertising business with millions of searches per month (I invite you to see the searches by country on Google Trends:Here)
I found articles about this company on very large news websites like Forbes and Techcrunch
Despite all these references the page was not accepted > Draft:Revcontent
I think I missed something, I would like to know your opinion about the sources and this company because I also found a wiki page about them which was deleted (Published Page)
Thanks in advance Squirrelnet (talk) 20:25, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Squirrelnet: In order:
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2016/03/09/how-revcontent-grew-into-a-content-innovation-powerhouse/ is from a Forbes Contributor, making it a glorified opinion piece and thus useless for notability (See WP:FORBESCON).
- https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/revcontent-acquires-rover/ is routine news coverage (Standard notices [and] routine coverage [including, but nor limited to] the expansions, acquisitions, mergers, sale, or closure of the business [are not considered significant coverage].
- https://www.martechcube.com/content-marketing-platform-revcontent-partners-nba-nfl-analysis/ is more routine news coverage and even if it were not it's a press release and thus primary.
- https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/HJ117jvPXu is a name-drop that doesn't discuss Revcontent in any real depth.
- https://digiday.com/sponsored/in-the-race-to-shore-up-revenue-publishers-are-overlooking-deal-terms/ is native advertising and disclosed as such.
- In summary, all your sources are useless. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 03:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- I understand and I will delete the page... Thks
- Jéské Couriano I don't think this tone ("in summary, all your sources are useless") is at all appropriate for the Teahouse. I also don't think that your signature, which reads "A little blue Bori", is appropriate for someone whose username is so different. Please see WP:CUSTOMSIG/P:
A customised signature should make it easy to identify your username
› Mortee talk 21:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)- Do you expect me to sugarcoat it? I'm not going to bloviate when someone brings up a draft whose sources are not up to par, especially if I am assessing them in the manner I am doing here. Being anything other than blunt results in them ignoring or misinterpreting you, and I would rather be unambiguous. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 21:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I do. New users deserve to be treated gently and to be offered constructive help, not just torn to pieces. That's exactly what the Teahouse exists to ensure. Rather than blow up this particular Teahouse section I'm posting the same message to your talk page. › Mortee talk 22:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Do you expect me to sugarcoat it? I'm not going to bloviate when someone brings up a draft whose sources are not up to par, especially if I am assessing them in the manner I am doing here. Being anything other than blunt results in them ignoring or misinterpreting you, and I would rather be unambiguous. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 21:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Jéské Couriano I don't think this tone ("in summary, all your sources are useless") is at all appropriate for the Teahouse. I also don't think that your signature, which reads "A little blue Bori", is appropriate for someone whose username is so different. Please see WP:CUSTOMSIG/P:
- I understand and I will delete the page... Thks
Hi, guys. Please help me with your knowledge. I cannot upload pictures it is showing that "something went wrong" .Please help me .
Mam KP (talk) 08:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- I don't know. I do notice that your user page shows a graphic file that is missing evidence of permission, that it was you who uploaded it, that you were informed of the copyright problem on 31 March, and that the same image appears here, a page at whose foot we read "All Right Reserved." Please do not upload any more files until you have fixed problems with those that you have already uploaded. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- If the image obeys the rules for images, try clearing your cookies, that may be the issue. A Wild Wolf has appeared! | Gotta catch 'em all! (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Making an article about The Ramanujan Machine
I'm not sure if making an article about The Ramanujan Machine is notable. Is it? Ratamatao ✉ 09:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- "If you have to ask whether some imaginable subject is notable, then it almost certainly is not," is the response that's so true (though perhaps, for politeness' sake, better left unsaid). Here, however, the coverage linked to from the site's page of "Coverage" (example) is substantial, so I'd imagine that the subject is notable. -- Hoary (talk) 13:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Hoary: I hate adding any discordant notes here, but I feel compelled to say that quote is pithy but empirically untrue often enough that I think it's rather inapt. We get the question "is X notable" daily, if not more often (which means our attempts to broadcast our standards for inclusion are working to an extent), and the answer is manifestly "Sometimes 'yes', sometime 'no'" – with the "yes" not a rare occurrence (though admittedly less than half the time).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Those results, and the method used to find them, are fascinating (I hope more such results will be reported as they're found). I doubt the topic is notable (In Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense) yet, but I expect it will be in a year or two. Maproom (talk) 07:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- So, should I start making the article? Ratamatao ✉ 12:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Ratamatao, I suggest that you create Draft:Ramanujan Machine, and, when you think/hope that it's pretty decent, both (i) submit it, and (ii) put up a little message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, inviting anyone interested to look at it. Above, Maproom says they don't think it merits an article: if you don't want to risk having your article-creating time wasted by the reviewer saying the same thing, then don't create the draft but instead post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics the same question: "Do you think that the Ramanujan Machine is [Wikipedia-style] notable?" If the answer is yes, proceed. -- Hoary (talk) 11:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Saudi cricket
Two articles on this subject have been recently edited into a bit of a tangle, and I'm not quite sure how to untangle them. The article Saudi Cricket Centre describes an organisation called Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation. Meanwhile, there is a new page at Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation which has both a redir to Saudi Cricket Centre and, rather redundantly, also content which more or less duplicates the earlier article. I don't know if these are two separate organisations or one is a rebranding of the other, and whether both articles are therefore needed or only one (and if so which one). Cheers, DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:11, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DoubleGrazing. This might be a good thing to ask about at WT:CRICKET since the members of that WikiProject probably know enough about the subject matter to help sort things out. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:30, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DoubleGrazing I have had a look, and it's definitely a duplicate article, so I reverted it (cut-and-paste moves like this aren't allowed). It looks like the organisation may have changed its name, so I've started a move discussion about what the correct name should be. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
How to actually submit a pushpin map
Hi, I am currently making an article about a village in Mato Grosso (Brazil) and i was surprised that there was no template map for it, so I went to Locationmap+ site on wikipedia help and it successfully explained how to create it but it didn't actually supply a button or place to submit them, or I just missed something :) LongWinterBranches158 (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- LongWinterBranches158, hello, friend! I'm a little confused. Once you create this map, you can just place it in the article in question. You have no need to submit it or anything like that. If that doesn't answer your question, try explaining it in a different way. Have a great day! Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 19:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Ooh so you create it in the article? Wouldn’t that be quite complicated to do?
- I think you were already on the right lines, LongWinterBranches158, in that you realised that the easiest way to do this is with the pushpin map feature. The documentation is at Template:Infobox_settlement#Maps,_coordinates and there is a linked example at Padang to show how it works. That example is a bit complicated as the settlement template contains much else as well, so perhaps you should take a look a the source code for Tengenenge instead, where the pushpin map is more obvious. It's near the top of the page in the editor, starting {{Infobox settlement | name= Tengenenge
- and going on to the key bits, namely
- | pushpin_map = Zimbabwe | pushpin_map_caption = Tengenenge in Zimbabwe | coordinates = {{coord|16|43|51|S|30|56|39|E|region:ZW|display=inline,title}}
- You could copy this into the article you are drafting, swapping the relevant details. If you run into difficulties, ping me back here with the link to your draft and I'll try to help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- After writing this I looked at your recent contributions, one of which was Cachoeirinha, Mato Grosso, which seems to confirm you have worked out how to do the mapping! Well done for creating these articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- You could copy this into the article you are drafting, swapping the relevant details. If you run into difficulties, ping me back here with the link to your draft and I'll try to help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I knew how to do that already, but I mean actually creating new templates, not used on articles before. How do I submit a pushpin map after creating it and not using another one to this list? I'm considering using a snipping tool on the Brazil map and cropping it into Mato Grosso (Mato Grosso's map doesn't work) and now that I'm not interested in Mato Grosso's mapping, I'd like one for Shaanxi (a huge Chinese) province. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LongWinterBranches158 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @LongWinterBranches158: In your recent Teahouse question regarding the Mato Grosso map, I recommended that you ask for help at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop if you wanted someone to create a module that would allow you to use a pushpin map of the state in articles' infoboxes. We have a blank map of Shaanxi province that can be used to create such a module. Just go to the Graphics Lab page linked above, and request that someone use that blank map to create Module:Location map/data/China Shaanxi. Once that is created, you can just enter "China Shaanxi" in the
|pushpin_map=
field of {{infobox settlement}} in an article about a place in that province, and a pushpin map will appear in the article. Deor (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Android app - how to log on
This is probably a record for the most stupid question on the Teahouse and I apologize - but it has me beat. Yesterday I used the Android app on my phone to make an edit for the first time in a while. I was surprised to notice that it had my IP rather than my user name, because I thought it would keep me logged on. But then I looked for where to log on, and I just can't find it anywhere. I checked every menu. I read all the help linked from WP:ANDROID. It talks about the importance of logging on, but nowhere does it say how to do that. The app does not have the same link that is on the PC, and my head is really starting to hurt. Can anybody please tell me (like you're explaining it to a child, or an old person) how to log on using the Android app? --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Gronk Oz. Whilst I might not be able to help you directly (I mostly use iOS), could you please specify which particular app you have been using? This will help anyone who is able to check for you. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: It is the Wikipedia app from the Android Play Store. I'm not sure how to specify it any further. The link is play
.google .com /store /apps /details?id=org .wikipedia 49.180.243.9 (talk) 00:48, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: It is the Wikipedia app from the Android Play Store. I'm not sure how to specify it any further. The link is play
- Hello, Gronk Oz. btw, which version are using? i am using version 2.7.50350-r-2021-04-02. on my wp app, look at bottom of app. you will find explore, saved, search edit and more (along with logos). tap more (hamburger symbol or three small horizontal lines). tap login in/join wikipedia. thats it. Gi vi an (talk) 11:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gi vi an: the app does not show anything like that. At the bottom of the screen are options (and icons) for Save, Language, Find in article, Theme, and Contents. At the top of the screeen there is a drop-down menu (three dots) which gives the following options: Forward, Share link, View talk page, View edit history, New tab, and Explore. If there is a version number somewhere, I can't find it. But I apply all updates to all the apps on my phone every week, so it will be quite up-to-date. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Gronk Oz. You could try this: (i) Bring up the article that you want to edit; (ii) click on the pencil icon; (iii) make your edit; (iv) click Next. You are now on the edit preview page. You should see some buttons where you tell it the reason for the edit ("Fixed typo", etc.). Immediately below that, there is a paragraph of text which includes a "log in" link. Click that link and you are on your way. (Note that I discovered this by trail-and-error, so don't take it as official; there might be a less convoluted method, but I have never found it.)
- Mike Marchmont (talk) 13:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Mike Marchmont: - wow, that worked! I'm pretty sure there must be a more straightforward way, but that worked! Thank you! --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gi vi an: the app does not show anything like that. At the bottom of the screen are options (and icons) for Save, Language, Find in article, Theme, and Contents. At the top of the screeen there is a drop-down menu (three dots) which gives the following options: Forward, Share link, View talk page, View edit history, New tab, and Explore. If there is a version number somewhere, I can't find it. But I apply all updates to all the apps on my phone every week, so it will be quite up-to-date. --Gronk Oz (talk) 02:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Gronk Oz. in your device settings, tap apps (in android 9), tap wikipedia _ it will show version number at bottom or in your app: settings - about wikipedia app shows version number. Gi vi an (talk) 03:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gi vi an: got it! The device settings shows WP version 2.7.50348-r-2021-03-19. As for the app settings - I cannot see any such option. I gave above the complete list of what is on every menu and I can't see Settings. Where is it? (I do wish I could just attach a screen shot - it would be a lot easier.) Gronk Oz (talk) 04:34, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Gronk Oz. Whilst I might not be able to help you directly (I mostly use iOS), could you please specify which particular app you have been using? This will help anyone who is able to check for you. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
trying to get an article approved....
Hi folks,
I submitted an article through the creation process and it was rejected. One of the issues was that the sources were not reliable though most of the sources are top-tier media outlets. Do you recommend the live chat for specific questions? Or is there a better way to get some feedback. The editor also said the wording was too promotional. Suggestions are welcomed. Lesscynical (talk) 00:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Lesscynical: (Courtesy link: Draft:Aurora Innovation) Watch this space. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 00:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, Lesscynical, and welcome to the Teahouse. At a glance, I'm a bit puzzled myself regarding the draft's use of reliable sources. However, Praxidicae, who reviewed your draft, is a highly experienced editor and article creator, so I'd imagine there's a good reason I'm simply missing from skimming over the draft. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 00:39, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Standing by.Lesscynical (talk) 00:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- In regards to your sources:
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-19/aurora-enters-partnership-with-paccar-for-driverless-trucks is walled, but based on the title this is routine coverage and thus useless for notability (Examples of trivial coverage [includes] standard notices[...]and routine coverage, such as[...]expansions, mergers, acquisitions, sale, or closure of the business)
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2019/10/29/aurora-ceo-chris-urmson-says-therell-be-hundreds-of-self-driving-cars-on-the-road-in-five-years/ doesn't discuss Aurora in any depth and is largely what its CEO says in any case.
- Crunchbase is not an acceptable source under any circumstance.
- https://venturebeat.com/2021/01/19/aurora-partners-with-paccar-to-develop-driverless-trucks/ is routine coverage (See above)
- https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/23/fresh-off-a-530m-round-aurora-acquires-lidar-startup-blackmore/ is routine coverage (See above)
- https://www.autonews.com/mobility-report/aurora-prizes-independence-av-world is more routine coverage (see above)
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-07/uber-sells-self-driving-unit-to-aurora-takes-stake-in-startup is also walled but based upon the article title this is more routine coverage (See above)
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/07/technology/uber-self-driving-car-project.html is yet more routine coverage (See above)
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2021/02/09/toyota-denso-partner-with-aurora-on-robotaxi-tech/ is yet more routine coverage (See above)
- https://www.wsj.com/articles/paccar-aurora-to-develop-self-driving-big-rigs-11611090000 Yet Another #*%$@!@ Piece of Routine Coverage (YAFPoRC) (See above)
- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-30/driverless-tech-startup-aurora-adds-volvo-to-trucking-partners is walled but based on the title it's YAFPoRC (See above)
- https://www.axios.com/googles-former-self-driving-car-guru-raises-cash-for-his-own-startup-1513301386-10cb3b49-2f73-4245-a8f3-89ffea0c58a9.html is YAFPoRC ([...]capital transaction[s], such as raised capital)
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2018/02/28/aurora-on-the-rise-robocar-startup-snags-90-million-adds-reid-hoffman-mike-volpi-to-board/ is YAFPoRC (see directly above)
- https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/07/amazon-sequoia-invest-in-self-driving-car-startup-aurora/ is YAFPoRC (See the Axios source above)
- https://techcrunch.com/2019/06/12/hyundai-takes-minority-stake-in-self-driving-car-startup-aurora/ is YAFPoRC (See Axios source above)
- That's not to say all your sources are bad - you have five good sources that aren't routine coverage that discuss Aurora in some depth. But as a general rule, a draft where the overwhelming bulk of the sources are unusable for notability and are of little use otherwise is a draft that gets declined. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 01:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. Any suggestions on where one goes from here? (by the way, not sure what the value of the "f" word stuff is. Your point was well made without it.) Lesscynical (talk) 01:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Jéské Couriano: I recognize that the Teahouse isn't the place for debating policy interpretation (and that any further ramblings of mine are better off at Draft talk:Aurora Innovation), but as you made this analysis, the reason why I stated I was puzzled above is that I believe very little of the coverage provided by Lesscynical actually falls under WP:ROUTINE. This is an interesting policy, insofar as the page actually cites an outside source for how a 'Routine Event' should be defined, which can be found here from pages 200–207. As best I can tell, articles like this one from Bloomberg aren't routine as defined by that article (or by our own short blurb on the policy page). I believe these sources perfectly adequately demonstrate the subject's notability. However, I'll defer to Praxidicae on the matter of reliability. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
A volunteer editor doing the favor of looking at all of your references can become frustrated when ref after ref after ref contributes not to notability. Hence, I am guessing the #... Anyway, remove all the routine coverage refs and all of the content that rested on those refs. You may have a stripped down draft that will be accepted. P.S. The draft was Declined, not Rejected, which is worse. David notMD (talk) 01:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
TheTechnician27 and Jéské Couriano, now I'm adequately confused. I appreciate the feedback but are articles in Bloomberg such as those mentioned routine or not? Lesscynical (talk) 01:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- It isn't entirely about the outlet. The content of the source also matters. It's possible for one Bloomberg article to be acceptable and another not for any number of reasons (and for the record, I treat reports of partnerships with other companies as routine coverage, more specifically expansion of the business). Likewise for any number of other reliable outlets. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 01:47, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Point taken. I'm going to work on the article based on this feedback. Thank you both for your time. Lesscynical (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- For what it is worth, if I did not explicitly call out a source cited in your draft above, then it's a usable source. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 02:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Jeska Couriano. Do you recommend I seek further feedback from the editor who did the initial review? Or soldier on based on what you provided? Thanks again. Lesscynical (talk) 13:28, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- At this point I don't think notability is an issue, with the five good sources you do have. All the same, it wouldn't hurt to ask for further feedback from the reviewer, but I don't feel that it's, strictly speaking, necessary. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 17:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Ugly Gerry
Why was my ugly gerry passage reported for vandalism Whatergun110 (talk) 00:54, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Whatergun110. Your edit was reverted as possible vandalism by an anti-vandalism bot. Please report the false positive, which will help improve the performance of the bot. My guess is that the word "janky" caught the bot's attention, since it is a slang word sometimes used as a personal attack. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Whatergun110, your edit (which you described obscurely as "another sentence") claimed that the title of this web page is not
- "There's a new downloadable font inspired by gerrymandered congressional districts"
- but instead
- "There's a new downloadable font inspired by gerrymandered congressional. This font was made when Ben Doessel and James Lee, the creators 'After seeing how janky our Illinois 4th district had become' tried to spread awareness about the topic. districts".
- Unsurprisingly, this is false. -- Hoary (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the writing is so poor that it is almost incomprehensible. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- To be fair, Cullen328, it appears that the OP intended to add this sentence to one place where it might belong, but accidentally added it both there and within this page title. After seeing how janky the Illinois 4th district had become (which I'm sorry to say doesn't surprise me) the pair tried to spread awareness of the matter via font design: fair enough. -- Hoary (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, the writing is so poor that it is almost incomprehensible. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for answering this. I am new with editing wikipedia without vandalizing it
- Whatever the explanation, and I assume good faith, it was an error that combined with the word "janky" brought the edit to the attention of the anti-vandalism bot. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
To mention that I am hired to work for a Company.
Hi Wikipedians, I have recently received an Offer for creating a Wikipedia Page for a Company. It would be nice if anyone would come up front and help me out in this. Yes, I also need to confess that I am being paid to do this. I have read all the rules and norms for Wikipedia's notability criteria. So, It would be nice If someone would be by my side so that I do not do something wrong here. It would also be nice if the person would review the Company's Profile. Pls do message me in my Talk page, for helping me. Thanks. Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- First, declare on your User page that you are being paid to create a draft of an article for _____ (name of company). Paid editors are expected to have a level of competency. However, it appears that you started your account recently, and have yet to make any article edits. David notMD (talk) 03:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- David notMD, Please do check my User Page for the Declaration. And can you help me out in this?? Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- I will not help you create an article on a topic I know nothing about. You can follow the instructions at WP:YFA to create and then submit a draft. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) describes what is necessary for a company to be notable. David notMD (talk) 03:52, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Jocelin Andrea. The fact that you're charging someone to create a Wikipedia article about their company when an article could be created about the company for free if it meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) is between you and said company; however, all editors are WP:VOLUNTEERs so it's a bit odd that you're asking them to help you do this. I'm assuming the company entered into an agreement with you because none of the people associated with it either (1) want to be bothered with trying to create an article about it themselves, (2) know how to go about creating a Wikipedia article about anything, or (3) a combination of the the two. I'm also assuming that they are paying you because you stated that you could create an article and told them that you know how to properly do so. You're free to try as long as you comply with WP:PAID, but don't be disappointed if you don't find others willing to help you get paid.A couple of other of things you might want to consider and explain to the company are Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Ownership of content, and Wikipedia:Law of unintended consequences.Assuming that you're successfully able to create a draft that is approved via Wikipedia:Articles for creation, that's pretty much where your involvement and ability to control things will end. If a draft you create eventually is upgraded to article status, neither you nor the company will have any final say or otherwise editorial control over the article's content; moreover, another editor could tag of flag the article for issues and even possibly deletion if they feel something about it doesn't meet relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and there would be nothing that you or the company could do about it outside of normal Wikipedia channels. Assuming that you've already explained all of this to the company and they still want you to go ahead, then best of luck to you. If, however, neither you nor the company were aware of any of these things, then you might want to fill them in before they start issuing checks; otherwise, they might be quite angry if they find out later on that things don't work exactly as they thought.Finally, the frankness of my post might give the impression that I'm angry about this kind of thing, but I'm actually not. There are many paid editors who are able to make positive contributions to Wikipedia and adhere to relevant policies and guidelines. Some editors are completely against COI and paid editing just on principle, but I only think it's a problem when it's not being done in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines. At the same time though, expecting others to do your work for you is probably not going to receive a favorable response from most editors. So, if you have a question about a Wikpedia policy or guideline, then perhaps others will be willing to help; however, trying to get someone to actually help you write the article is probably going to be another story. -- Marchjuly (talk)
- Written far better than I could have managed. David notMD (talk) 11:52, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- David notMD, Please do check my User Page for the Declaration. And can you help me out in this?? Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:44, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
which country built the first jet airliner
115.189.91.76 (talk) 08:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello. The Teahouse is for questions about using and editing Wikipedia; you should ask this question at the reference desk, or read the article on jet airliners which says: "The first airliners with turbojet propulsion were experimental conversions of the Avro Lancastrian piston-engined airliner, which were flown with several types of early jet engine, including the de Havilland Ghost and the Rolls-Royce Nene", and "The first purpose-built jet airliner was the British de Havilland Comet which first flew in 1949 and entered service in 1952, though it was withdrawn from service due to serious structural problems." Kleinpecan (talk) 08:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
references with html markup, what is allowed and not allowed
for example on Aerobic_exercise#cite_ref-26 vs is italiced using <i>. should i delete it? what about other html markup? Gi vi an (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Gi vi an. If the markup mimics the source then it should usually be kept. In this case the source [1] writes
<em>vs</em>
which renders as vs. It's in italics for me. HTML element#em says: "Emphasis (conventionally displayed in italics)". I think it's best for us to use italics and not<em>...</em>
. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2021 (UTC) - @Gi vi an: Converted
| title = Aerobic <i>vs</i> anaerobic exercise
to| title = Aerobic ''vs'' anaerobic exercise
(and other general fixes). GoingBatty (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Editing Feedback
I'm new to the process of editing, and I added a comment in an article about cystic fibrosis (added something about dornase alpha) then I added the reference. I want to know if there is anything else that I should do or I'm missing something Nmlim (talk) 12:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC) Nmlim (talk) 12:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Nmlim, no, you don't need to do anything else. As long as you added a reference to a reliable source, it should be fine. Thanks for dropping by! MEisSCAMMER(talk)Hello! 12:29, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Nmlim: Welcome to the Teahouse! In case you didn't notice, another editor tweaked your addition by changing "it's" to "it is", per Wikipedia's Manual of Style. While we can be informal on talk pages like this, we should write more formally in articles. Keep up the good work! GoingBatty (talk) 12:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia
Hi.. I have updated the page of danish performance group, Sisters Hope at their site. I can see that a discussion from 2014 flagged it for being promotional. A lot have happened since so I wonder if (and how) the page can stopped being flagged as being promotional now?
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_Hope Nfr444 (talk) 14:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome to The Teahouse. This is the English Wikipedia, the article you have linked to is on the German Wikipedia which is a separate project. Theroadislong (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Danish not German: notice the "da". MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 14:08, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- That link is for Danish Wikipedia- every language Wikipedia is run separately, so you'd need to ask for help at the Danish language Wikipedia helpdesk. Their help desk appears to be da:Hjælp:Nybegynderforum. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Removing accidental warnings?
I was accidentally given a warning because somebody reverted the wrong user by mistake. They've undone their revert with a edit description saying it was a mistake. Does that mean I'm allowed to remove the warning from my talk page? Thanks! Thattransgirl (talk) 14:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Thattransgirl: You can remove pretty much anything from your own talk page for any reason other than a notice from an administrator notifying you if you've been blocked. GMGtalk 14:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- GreenMeansGo Even block notices can be removed; the things that cannot be removed are listed at WP:BLANKING, and they all involve community processes, like prior declined unblock requests while blocked. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
What is the approved format for citations which are to primary source documents available publicly in an archive repository?
I've been reading the guidance on reliable sources and see that it is ok to cite original records that are held in an archive office, providing they are publicly available. I see there are templates for citing books, journals, websites but there does not seem to be one for those I mentioned. Could some one point me to a suitable template or an example I could follow? Many thanks Buckland1072 (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Buckland1072:
{{cite archive}}
? Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:32, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Buckland1072. It really does depend on what the source actually is. To give an example, if I was citing a newspaper that I found in an archive, I would still use {{cite news}} because of its fitness for newspaper specifications – and would just use the URL of the archive for the convenience link it provides (as with almost every question we get here in the hypothetical, the specifics—the actual context—would allow a more tailored answer). As to whether it's "okay", in association with whether the source is "publicly available", the issues that come to mind are whether the location the source is found is violating copyright, and whether its archiving at whatever that location is meets the definition of "published" for purpose of verifiability. But if those threshold concerns are not implicated, then the use would have to meet the restrictions of WP:PRIMARY (and the additional limitations on use of primary sources in biographies of a living people). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:51, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you both for your help. I'll follow up on the links you provided Fuhghettaboutit and experiment with that template Victor Schmidt. Best wishes Buckland1072 (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Singature without a question
Boogieside0807 (talk) 15:07, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Boogieside0807: Do you have a question? Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
User Name change
How can I change my user name please guide. Thanks and blessings Shahgill (talk) 16:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, see Wikipedia:Changing username. Kleinpecan (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Colour question
How do you like decide what colours and how to word like the table on The Voice US, The Voice Australia, The Voice UK, The Voice Kids UK. E.g you use first names e.g Delta (The Voice Australia) Superman011 Superman011 (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- (created section title for this question) David notMD (talk) 16:52, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Superman011, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know of any site-wide guidelines about what colours to use for tables, though there may be some. Hopefully editors try at least to be consistent between articles on the same broad topic. You give a good example of that. If you're really interested and want to know why the people editing those particular articles made the choices they did, you might try asking on the talk pages for those articles. All the best, › Mortee talk 21:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
I like consistently.
I need some help
I have created many articles about Kentucky Routes, which I try to create redirects for them but the thing is I need help making successful redirects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheGs2007 (talk • contribs)
- @TheGs2007: See Help:Redirect. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 17:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Olympic Gull
I'm writing an article on Glaucous-winged x Western gulls in my sandbox, and am wondering what to call it. They are most commonly known as Olympic gulls, but are also sometimes known as Puget Sound gulls. Any thoughts? Note- I'm working on the article and this version is just a start. Abies balsamica (talk) 16:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello there @Abies balsamica:. The Wikipedia style guide for names recommends using the most common name as the title of the article. Other names can also be mentioned in the lead sentence. --Jayron32 16:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Abies balsamica. Noting the article subject, if you're not aware of it, you might find Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds helpful here (it even has a section on bird names and article titles), as well as recommended layout, use of taxoboxes, linking to glossary terms using {{Birdgloss}}, linking calls from the Commons and at Xeno-Canto using {{Birdsong}}, etc. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:11, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Abies balsamica: P.S. There's related material at hybridisation in gulls#Hybrid large white-headed gulls. The entry there for the olympic gull both has a citation needed tag for part of its content, and an existing citation, for another part. Maybe you can use that cite, and, once you're done with your draft, take care of the citation needed – assuming the detail there is sourced in your draft. There's also a cited entry in the second paragraph of bird hybrid.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah. Olympic gull currently redirects there, so (if my draft is accepted) I can clean that up and link it. Abies balsamica (talk) 17:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Abies balsamica: P.S. There's related material at hybridisation in gulls#Hybrid large white-headed gulls. The entry there for the olympic gull both has a citation needed tag for part of its content, and an existing citation, for another part. Maybe you can use that cite, and, once you're done with your draft, take care of the citation needed – assuming the detail there is sourced in your draft. There's also a cited entry in the second paragraph of bird hybrid.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Draft deletion
How can I request a deletion of a Draft? LooneyTraceYT (talk) 18:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @LooneyTraceYT: Wikipedia has a series of tags you can add to articles to request deletion, they are listed at WP:CSD. In this case, {{db-author}} looks like the one most applicable for you. Just add that to the top of the page, and an admin will be along presently to take care of it. --Jayron32 18:09, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
How to add a picture on an existing bibliography
Kairo owethu (talk) 18:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- You asked this question on 1 April and were answered. Below is the relevant content from that ask.
If the picture isn't yet at Wikipedia Commons, then see Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/1, and the pages that follow. If it is already there, then jump ahead to Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup/3. -- Hoary (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
To complement what Hoary says, Kairo owethu: if the picture is already in Wikimedia Commons, then it is straightforward. If it isn't, then it needs to be uploaded. If it is a picture you took yourself, you can probably do that; if it is not, then it is likely that it cannot be used in Wikipedia. See the links Hoary provided for the details. --ColinFine (talk) 22:15, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Kairo owethu. It's hard to give you a very specific answer without knowing more details, but you can find out some more information in Wikipedia:Image use policy and Wikipedia:Copyrights#Images. Basically what you need to do depends on whether the image you want to add has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. If it has, then how it can be used depends upon the type of copyright license it has. So, if you want to use an image of this type, it will be easier for a Teahouse host to help you if you can provide the file name of the image and the name of the Wikipedia page you want to add it to. If, however, the image you want to use doesn't exist (i.e. hasn't yet been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons), then things are more complicated and whether it can be uploaded depends upon its copyright status. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Were the replies not sufficient? David notMD (talk) 18:54, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- @David notMD: I've slightly tweaked the formatting of your post so that it doesn't seem as if Hoary, ColinFine and myself are responding to this new thread. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)}}
- Hi Kairo owethu. As David not MD posted above, you did ask this same question a few days ago. Teahouse threads which receive answers tend to be archived after a few days if there are no further posts made; so, maybe you didn't realize your questions had already received some responses and just didn't know where to look. For reference, you can find your previous questions at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1103#How to add pictures on a person's bibliography and Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1103#How to add a picture on an existing bibliography. It's generally not a good idea to keep asking the same question over and over again, particularly a question that has already be answered. However, if there's something you don't understand about the responses you received, then please clarify what that is and a Teahouse host will try and help you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Boxes with pictures
how do you use boxes with pictures please tell me Wikismarty12359 (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Wikismarty12359. I've added a header so that your question doesn't get absorbed into the one above. I'm afraid your question is not clear enough to answer. Do you mean you want to put a frame round an image? or use an image in an infobox? or something else? --ColinFine (talk) 19:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- it’s like a user box but how do i have a picture inside? Wikismarty12359 (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Wikismarty12359. If it's like a user box, then maybe you'll find the answer in WP:USERBOX. If you don't find what you're looking for there, then perhaps you can help the Teahouse hosts out by (1) providing a link to the image you want to add, (2) providing a link to the page where you want to add the image and (3) adding the syntax you want to use to add to that page to your user sandbox. Providing (1) and (2) will help a Teahouse host assess whether the image you want to add can or should be added to the page you want to add it to and doing (3) will allow a Teahouse host to try and figure out if there's a problem with the way you're trying to add the image (e.g. a syntax error). -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- it’s like a user box but how do i have a picture inside? Wikismarty12359 (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
How can I improve my edit?
I run a dog blog and have made several edits regarding dog health. The edits were to expand on the topic and add more information regarding treatment/symptoms/causes of various dog issues. I was moderated and marked as spam, is it because my blog has affiliate links at the bottom of the page, products that can be used to solve certain pain points for dog owners? My pages are not advertisements but are informational. WorkNwrite (talk) 20:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- As answered on your Talk page, your blog - dogleashpro - is not considered a reliable source and cannot be used as a reference. Hence, correctly identified as spam, because it is seen as an attempt to promote you via your blog. If the information can be supported by a reliable source reference in no way connected to you that would be OK. David notMD (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome, WorkNwrite. Given the nature of the topic here, the most suitable sources are likely to be peer-reviewed articles in scholarly veterinary journals, rather than blog posts. The only case where I can think a blog post would be acceptable as a source about this topic would be if it were written by a well-established and qualified expert, and the material it supported was uncontroversial. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:19, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Without wishing to pile on, editing Wikipedia to add references to your own publication rather misses the point of what Wikipedia is for, and other editors aren't likely to have much patience for it. I wish you the very best for your writing work, but please leave it to others to decide if and when to reference it in building the encyclopedia. › Mortee talk 21:33, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- (e/c) Hi WorkNwrite. You attempted to verify the information you added by citing to a blog, which, except for rare exceptions, is unacceptable as a source A second issue is that based on your disclosure, it appears this is your blog. You thus have a conflict of interest in citing to it at all (even, by the way, if it was an acceptable source for use). Additionally (though relatedly), despite your statement above, this has the appearance of advertising through self-promotion, which is something we see a great deal of here. However, now that you've been informed of the issue, if you don't continue to add these types of links, there's no problem. We are very forgiving of mistakes. The general cultural precepts are that edits that are inappropriate, for whatever reason, but not clearly made in bad faith, should be reverted (but should never be marked as vandalism, which we reserve for the clearly bad faith). After the user involved is clearly informed of the issue with their edits, repeating them converts the edits to bad faith and vandalism. I went through that explanation exercise because in my view your edits, while clearly inappropriate under our policies, were also clearly reverted in an inappropriate manner by the user who did so – using rollback, which is reserved for vandalism. That should not have happened. Sorry about that. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you everyone for helping me I really appreciate it!WorkNwrite (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Vandal hunting
Hello again, Teahouse, I've yet another question. I've been spending a lot of time fighting vandalism lately, and I was just wondering if there is any specific time of day where vandalism occurs frequently. Or perhaps day of the week? HelenDegenerate (talk) 21:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, that's an interesting question. I don't think there's anything, but I've found Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Vandalism studies to be interesting reading. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 22:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- The answer would be no. However a good way to think about it would be to think like a vandal. What would you do in their position if you were trying to vandalize a WIkipedia article without getting caught, and when would you do it? A Wild Wolf has appeared! | Gotta catch 'em all! (talk) 17:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Customizing a signature
I spotted many People such as LTPHarry, Sammi Brie, and Mrschimpf having very cool customized signatures, and I want one like them but my Username In green because my favorite color is Green. So, how do I automatically set a customized signature as my Signature? LooneyTraceYT (talk) 22:14, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Go to Preferences -> scroll down until you see "Signature:" and then type in wiki markup for your signature. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 22:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi LooneyTraceYT. Also mark "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences. Here is code to get you started:
[[User:LooneyTraceYT|<span style="color:green">LooneyTraceYT</span>]] ([[User talk:LooneyTraceYT|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]])
. It produces LooneyTraceYT (talk). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2021 (UTC)- More efficient would be
<span style="color:green;">[[User:LooneyTraceYT|LooneyTraceYT]] ([[User talk:LooneyTraceYT|talk]])</span>
which produces the same thing. If you're looking for something cooler, knowing CSS helps with things like that. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 23:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)- Your code produces: LooneyTraceYT (talk). I don't know how it renders for you but in proper browsers the color is overridden by Wikipedia's normal link color unless the color is defined inside the link. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, Facepalm MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 19:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Your code produces: LooneyTraceYT (talk). I don't know how it renders for you but in proper browsers the color is overridden by Wikipedia's normal link color unless the color is defined inside the link. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- More efficient would be
- Hi LooneyTraceYT. Also mark "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences. Here is code to get you started:
About Merzbow
I just listened to a Merzbow album for the first time... And holy god why does he have so many wikipedia pages for his albums? For reference, Merzbow is a japanese noise artist with a huge discography. But there are like a suprising amount of articles for him (see Template:Merzbow), ones that don't seem notable and able to be Af'd
To show my point, I'll pick a few articles:
- Sadomasochismo only 1 source, which is discogs, not really a reference
- Camouflage (Merzbow album) Only a primary source
- Dead Leaves (album) discogs and a source used for a rating
- Aodron It's just a single sentence, infobox, and tracklist
- Kookaburra (album) Discogs, primary source
To quote wikipedia's album notability,
- An album requires its own notability, and that notability is not inherited and requires independent evidence.
Also, all of the above articles fail the general notability guideline anyways. I don't exactly want to sort through 200 Merzbow articles to request deletion, so I'm unsure what to do, so thats why I am asking here for help. Thanks so much. Mcguy15 (talk) 00:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Masami Akita discography shows that many (!) of the albums are articles. And many (!) of those articles are stubs, or less. From View history, clearly there were a handful of fans of Masami who were creating these articles as far back as 2007. The question, then, is do you want to take a month to nominate all of them at AfD, including leaving messages on the Talk pages of the creators, and then manage the process? Which will place a huge burden on AfD Administrators? Or just look away? Keep in mind that these album articles have page views averaging about one viewer per day. David notMD (talk) 11:09, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @David notMD: I guess I shall go the hard way. (1,2,3 more to come)
Double-click and stay
I changed my preferences to double-click on a page to start editing. I did this in the hopes that I could start editing at the place that I double-clicked at. But, I'm always get sent to the top of the article.
Is there any way to stop this movement and edit the way I want? It gets tiresome writing down every point that I want to edit and then trying to find that point again. I'm always editing on my desktop, so it's not on my phone or anything. Pibal373 (talk) 01:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Pibal373: Welcome to the Teahouse. Why not click the edit links by the section headings? It'll get you closer to where you want to be. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:20, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Pibal373: I'm afraid Tenryuu is right. Double-clicking always opens the editor at the top of the page, though you can choose to edit just one individual section with the WP:Source editor, though be aware that if a citation has been used in another section, and then re-used in the section you're editing, you won't fully see all the references and may get a warning message, which you can ignore. If you choose to edit with WP:VISUALEDITOR, once that tool is open, you can click on a particular point and start editing there. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice everyone. I was hoping I could "freeze frame" :) But, to start at the section heading looks like the way to go.--Pibal373 (talk) 22:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hoping to resolve article issues
Hello all.
I am quite new to Wikipedia so want to make sure that I understand the rules and preferred approaches etc. For full disclosure, the reason I have come on here is twofold. One because I am a family friend of two notable brothers (Kim Nasmyth and Luke Hughes (furniture designer)) who have pages written about them. They had noticed some missing (and quite relevant) information as well as some notices that were innacurate and unfairly reflected badly upon one of them. Secondly, because of this, I thought there may be many other pages where this is happening so thought I would do what I could to ensure truth and fairness prevails by assisting wherever I could.
My recent realisation is that Wikipedia may see anything that I add to these particular pages as a 'conflict of interest', so have been very careful only to add properly-referenced facts without any 'puffery' (as I believe is the term used). I just wanted to ensure that either myself or the Wikipedia community at large could do what was required to ensure the 'This article has multiple issues' box was removed from the Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page - as I do not believe the issues highlighted in this box are true nor accurate. To me the page seems well-referenced and quite transparent, but due to my relationship with the subject it is not my call to remove the 'multiple issues' box.
Please do let me know if I can be of neutral service elsewhere. I have always been a great admirer of the concept of Wikipedia so would be more than happy to lend a hand where required with other pages.
Gentleman18 (talk) 02:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Gentleman18 The place to declare a conflict of interest is on your User page (see WP:COI). Given COI, the proper path for you is to go to the Talk pages of the articles in question and make requests for article changes there. Be specific, and provide references. There is a means to then submit an edit request. A non-involved editor will review your propsed changes and act. Separately, if you and an editor are reverting each other, STOP. That is called edit warring, and can lead to a temporary block. Take the dispute to the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- David notM Thank you for your guidance and advice. Much appreciated. Gentleman18 (talk) 00:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Requesting review/re-classing of for Balli Kaur Jaswal
Hi folks -- I've been working on de-stubbifying Balli Kaur Jaswal -- it is clearly past stub territory, but I'm always reluctant to re-classify articles I've been working on. I'd be grateful if someone would have a look and re-classify as appropriate. I would, of course, welcome any suggestions about improving it further. Thanks! Kenirwin/(talk) 02:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Kenirwin: Welcome to the Teahouse! I have removed
|class=stub
from the WikiProjects, so the article will appear as unassessed, and editors involved in those WikiProjects can assess the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)- @GoingBatty: -- what an elegant solution; I hadn't thought of that. Thanks! -Kenirwin/(talk) 15:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
talk page link
Hi, I reinstated a page that was violated and redirected. Now the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabi is back online with its text, but its Talk page still links to its old redirected place. Does it just need time for the servers or do we need a manual edit somewhere? thanks Wikigetsme123 (talk) 02:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Wikigetsme123: One of your edit summaries says "unapproved by the Kabi tribe". The subjects of articles do not get to determine its content. Please work with other editors to get consensus on if the page should be redirected or not. RudolfRed (talk) 03:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- The articles Gubbi Gubbi people and Kabi are about the same subject, and ought to be merged. Maproom (talk) 06:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the feedback. The Kabi Kabi people and the Gubbi Gubbi people are not at all about the same subjects (unless you want to throw all Aborigines in one box) as the references we listed show. This is why those 2 articles about 2 tribes are not at all 'to be merged'. The maps show the region clearly as Kabi Kabi country, and even Noosa council refers to Kabi Kabi and not Gubbi Gubbi.
Please check our references on the Gubbi Gubbi Talk page or on the Kabi Talk page. Come up with references of your own and we discuss it, until then please leave the Kabi page written by Dianekmt as it is.
https://archive.org/details/tworepresentati00math/page/n71 https://www.visitnoosa.com.au/our-custodians Wikigetsme123 (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Speedy Deletions?
If find articles that have already been deleted, but make their way back onto Wikipedia with little to no changes... do I even need to nominate for AFD 2nd nomination or is WP:SPEEDY appropriate? For example, see Karl Fogel and Gabriel Farman. Just found both of those. What's the policy for stuff like that? Megtetg34 (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC) Megtetg34 (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I stand corrected on the Gabriel Farman one. The Gabriel Farman article has actually been on here 3 times now and deleted twice. The first one was prodded, the 2nd one was voted delete on consensus, and now the latest one. Megtetg34 (talk) 03:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Megtetg34: If an article was deleted and recreated 8 years later, it might have been improved. Without seeing the original first deletion, there's no way to know. Every case is different - but based in the time gap between versions this one deserves another fair review. I voted delete. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 05:21, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I stand corrected on the Gabriel Farman one. The Gabriel Farman article has actually been on here 3 times now and deleted twice. The first one was prodded, the 2nd one was voted delete on consensus, and now the latest one. Megtetg34 (talk) 03:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- The version deleted almost a decade ago was windier. Example: "While at Swarthmore College, Fairman studied under Frank & Gil Mustin Professor Kenneth Gergen and developed an unprecedented special major entitled 'The Death and Re-Birth of Human Agency' with a concentration in Interpretation Theory. Under this major sponsored by the Philosophy and Psychology Departments, Fairman studied how the human decision-making process is impaired by a lack of awareness of paradigms and cultural influences over our perceptions." -- Hoary (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
How to start a draft on Wikipedia?
How to start a draft on Wikipedia? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 05:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @ItsJustdancefan: See Wikipedia:Article wizard/CreateDraft, which has a nice input box helping you. See WP:YFA for assistance and what we expect from articles.Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
COI with trade union
Hello. I want to confirm if writing on a trade union you belong to constitutes a COI. Thank you. The Sokks💕 (talk) 05:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC) The Sokks💕 (talk) 05:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- TheSokks Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you just belong to the union, and aren't a union official, it's a conflict of interest, but not paid editing. 331dot (talk) 08:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @331dot: Thank you for your response. Ive created Draft:Nigerian Association of Resident Doctors and also looking to create Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists of Nigeria. Do I wait for the drafts to be accepted before declaring COI or just go ahead and do it now? The Sokks💕 (talk) 08:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Primary Topic - where to ask?
I would like the primary topic of a certain surname determined. Where can I do that? Thanks and don't bite me, DePlume (talk) 06:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- DePlume: maybe Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Is_there_a_primary_topic? helps. I doubt that an article on a surname generally has a "primary topic". Is this about Soroko (surname)? Maproom (talk) 06:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. I would like to be bold and ask about it anyways. Thanks and don't bite me, DePlume (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Vandalism
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Hi Community, The user user:Nearlyevil665 is inappropriately flagging notable articles for deletion at a high speed. He sends email to the entity demanding for money to fix the articles back. Let’s check this asap.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.160.2.168 (talk)
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Translation from other Wikis
Hello! I wanted to start by translating pages from spanish wiki in order to learn, instead of jumping to edit/creating pages. Wikipedia showed me a list of pages that needed translating but after my first two attempts I realized there are some articles on spanish wiki that don’t follow english wiki guidelines. ¿Any recommendations on how to analyze these articles that wikipedia is proposing for translation to see if translation will actualy be suitable? Pupypau (talk) 07:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I could give a long, complex answer; but simply, I'd advise you not to attempt this. (Lists of pages that need translations are, in my experience, near worthless. Somebody noticed that an article in Spanish or whatever looked substantial; this doesn't mean that it was/is good.) What I can recommend is that you look through articles here pertaining to the Spanish-speaking country/countries in which you're interested, and, for any that seem underdeveloped, look at the corresponding Spanish-language articles. If a Spanish-language article does seem better in some way, see for yourself whether/how that part of it is soundly based on reliable (and probably Spanish-language) sources. (I mean, actually view those sources and judge for yourself.) If some worthwhile part is indeed soundly based on solid sources, translate that part into English (of course together with its references) and add it to the existing English-language article. -- Hoary (talk) 09:40, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Pupypau. I recommend finding the Spanish Wikipedia's equivalent of our good and featured articles (respectively es:Wikipedia:Artículos buenos and es:Wikipedia:Artículos destacados) and trying to find candidates there that do not have corresponding articles here, or which are rudimentary here, and ripe for expansion. Even from that selection, though, before beginning, make sure the content is substantially referenced to reliable, secondary, independent sources .
To widen the pool, you might also look to articles that are candidates to be accorded good and featured status there (respectively es:Wikipedia:Selección de artículos buenos/nominaciones and es:Wikipedia:Candidatos a artículos destacados). Such nominated Spanish articles, of course, could still be quite poor (after all, sometimes people nominate poor articles here for good or featured status that have no chance of meeting those processes' standards), but certainly a much higher percentage of them will be well-developed and well-sourced articles than any random sampling from the Spanish Wikipedia. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
TS Lombard
My request for an article was rejected. Please help Hi, I created an article for TS Lombard and it was deleted due to not being notable enough. However, I have found more press articles which I believe makes it more notable and potentially article-worthy. How do you advise I go about creating the article again? Thanks in advance Hannahtsl (talk) 10:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hannahtsl, keep editing Draft:TS Lombard, and when you think it meets WP:NORG, submit it again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- The refs you added for Notable staff are worthless - mostly name-only mentions, not in support of the text. Given that staff and former staff are not the subjects of Wikipedia articles (Excpetion being JF), better to delete the section entirely. An info box could contain the name of the current CEO, but not members of the Board of Directors. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
can i do videos
Im Deanike (Redacted) years old i have one question can i do videos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deanike Bryan (talk • contribs) 10:20, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Deanike Bryan: It depends on what you want to make Videos for/about. If you want to make videos to enhance Wikipedia articles, maybe, depending on what the consensus on inclusion is. In all other cases, I recommend that you read the target site's terms of Use to see if you are allowed to upload Videos. Either way, you might be interested in Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello my name is Karl Magee I just want to let you know that the reason why i changed the date of the song release was Because it was incorrect.
81.107.113.113 (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- The editor who reverted your edit was perhaps confused because you did not use an edit summary to point out that you were reverting apparent vandalism by 2601:2c0:4880:4e30:2956:7071:ad6d:52ae. It's always wise to use an edit summary to explain your edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Publishing issues
Hi, I tried several times to publish an article about a youth NGO I work with. At first the article was deleted because it was not sufficiently notable, so I included various sources (i.e., national newspapers). Now despite the changes it got deleted again because it "appears to read more like an advertisement". All the information I have is from official websites and seems written in a neutral way to me, I don't understand what else I can do t get the article published Sophiaraineri (talk) 12:02, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- It's written in very promotional language. Articles must be written from a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Phrases such as "aims to be at the forefront, creating an inclusive & sustainable life, globally creating opportunities, sustainable positive impact, all over the world, the organisation has achieved notoriety, wide range of social initiatives, to raise awareness" all need to be removed or referenced to totally independent sources.--Shantavira|feed me 12:21, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Sophiaraineri. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 14:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Sophiaraineri: As other editors have chimed in, the language used was promotional. Since you have a conflict of interest (and it's much appreciated that you designated that on your user page), such a task may be harder. A tip would be to not describe what the organisation aims to do, but what they have done without using words that prime a reader to feel a certain way. There are other guidelines and policies that will influence how the article is shaped, but neutrality is the most glaring issue right now. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:10, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Adding original images to wiki articles
How would citation/attribution work for original images made primarily for Wikipedia? I'm working on a set of images to explain several health conditions in dogs in a visual manner (think medical diagram) to cover some of the gaps found in the text. Thanks for your help! WorkNwrite (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC) WorkNwrite (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Assuming that the content of your images are entirely your own work (such as photographs you took or diagrams produced using a drawing package), you can upload them to Wikipedia Commons and the attribution lies there against your username. For diagrams, the favoured file type is .svg but .png also work. I'm a chemist and Commons has dozens of chemical diagrams I created as well as a few colour photos. Note that you have to be prepared to licence everything as CC BY-SA 4.0 (or similar) meaning anyone can modify or re-use your material, even for commercial gain. This link gives some more detail: Commons:Help:Contents. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! If parts of the image are sourced from an existing image (under CC) and compiled into a new image (under fair use/derivative work) do what is the best way to attribute the original owner? WorkNwrite (talk) 17:23, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hello WorkNwrite. I think the answer above covers the copyright issue.
- Maybe you had something else in mind though, about verifiability? Unfortunately Commons is not a really good place for citations and the like, but you can put your sources in the file description:
created according to Jane Doe's "Mechanical maintenance of dogs", third edition, 1987, chapter "plumbing issues", pages 17-23
. Once you put the images in a Wikipedia articles, you can add your sources there too. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC) - @WorkNwrite: there's a relevant guideline addressing this at WP:OI. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Is there a way to edit the section of the lead section?
Is there a way to display and edit only the first part?--SilverMatsu (talk) 15:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @SilverMatsu: There is. If you go to your preferences and navigate to the Gadgets tab, go to the Appearance section and check the first option, "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:21, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi SilverMatsu. Yes, actually a variety of ways. You can change your preferences, per above, but a direct method is to click on a side edit link, then change the very end of the resulting URL in your browser's address bar from
section=1
(or 2 or 3, etc.) tosection=0
(and then clicking return/enter). However, are you aware though that you can click on the edit link at the top of a page, rather than any side link, to edit the entire page, including the first section? Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2021 (UTC)- @Tenryuu and Fuhghettaboutit: Thank you very much:) --SilverMatsu (talk) 01:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- I tried immediately. It is very good.--SilverMatsu (talk) 01:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi SilverMatsu. Yes, actually a variety of ways. You can change your preferences, per above, but a direct method is to click on a side edit link, then change the very end of the resulting URL in your browser's address bar from
Templates
I have frequently seen templates such as "citation needed" in articles. How do you insert such a citation? I have found plenty of information about when to do it and when not to do it. but nothing about how to do it. Is it something an ordinary editor can do? Also if I find a source and insert a citation into the article how do I remove the template? Spinney Hill (talk) 15:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Spinney Hill: yes, you can insert citations. Wikipedia:Citing sources is kinda lengthy but explains it. After you add the source, you can just delete the "citation needed" tag. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)@Spinney Hill: Click edit on any page that has a template and you can see the source code where the double brackets are at the top. It’s as simple as that. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 15:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Help:Referencing for beginners is a guide on how to create references. David notMD (talk) 15:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Spinney Hill: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you're using the source editor, just type
{{citation needed|date=April 2021}}
. If you're using the VisualEditor, see Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide#Editing templates. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2021 (UTC) - Hi Spinney Hill. You use VisualEditor and many instructions are only written for the source editor. Most experienced editors use the source editor so I'm afraid the above answers aren't very helpful. If you click "Citation needed" in VisualEditor then there should be an "Add a citation" button. If you use it then "citation needed" should automatically be removed. See Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide#Adding a new reference for how to add a reference when there is no "citation needed". If it doesn't work to click "citation needed" then please say where you click it on which page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Sorry I think I got the first question wrong. I can insert citations. How can I insert "citation needed"? Ah I think I have it now Spinney Hill (talk) 22:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hatnotes in templates
When adding a hatnote to a template, should it be directly at the template page, surrounded by <noinclude> tags, or at its /doc subpage? Template:No spam, for example, has hatnotes in both places. Kleinpecan (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Kleinpecan. It looks confusing at top of the template page. I examined some examples in a search and they were all in the documentation. I don't know a guideline about it but that's what I would do. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:37, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. Since you're an admin, could you please move the hatnote on that page to /doc? Kleinpecan (talk) 16:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
How can I become an admin?
Hi, I want to say that how can I become an admin? EditJuice (talk) 16:36, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- EditJuice Welcome to Wikipedia. It's one of those "if you have to ask..." questions. I see you first registered only yesterday. It takes several thousand edits and a sustained track record of positive contributions to the project, not only in articles, also in the "back office" processes. So keep on contributing and ask again in a couple of years. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:45, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- EditJuice Hello there! In case you want some more information about becoming an administrator, just in general, for your own edification, the page Wikipedia:Administrators has a LOT of good information on the role of admins and on the process by which admins are made. There is also Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship. You can read those for your own information. However, I do want to echo what Roger said above; you are clearly not experienced enough to be a Wikipedia admin yet. Most admins have years of experience as an editor before being granted the mop. I myself was a registered user for 18 months before becoming an admin, and had edited anonymously for some time before that. Give it some time. --Jayron32 17:21, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! I'll wait. EditJuice (talk) 17:23, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
How to resolve the same page being created in Draft and Article spaces
Hello. I'm curious what the accepted way is to resolve the same page being created in Draft and Article spaces. Specifically, I created Draft:The Problem With Jon Stewart at 9:50, and The Problem with Jon Stewart was created at 9:55. I'd like attribution for the page creation, but I'm not sure how to go about resolving this. Thanks for your help. Rmaloney3 (talk) 17:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome @Rmaloney3: There's instructions at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge, there are two ways: the simple way and the complex way. The simple way is to tag the target page with the {{histmerge}} template and wait for an admin to come around and take care of it. The more complex way is to create a request at the page I linked for you and also see if an admin comes around to fix it. I am an admin, but I personally haven't done many of these, and I will leave it up to another admin to help so I don't bodge things up. --Jayron32 17:24, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. I posted a request on the linked page. I appreciate the help. Rmaloney3 (talk) 17:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Rmaloney3. I see you've already had some guidance on this, in discussion of why the request was declined. As noted there, we (generally) do not do history merges unless the pages have a common origin for the actual content (as opposed to the situation here, where the pages have a common subject but different content and different histories for the development of that content). Let me just add that the chief problem here is the overlapping time frames.
As background, in the most common situation calling for a history merge, a user attempts to rename a page by manually copying the content to another title, rather than using the move function (i.e., a cut and paste move; see {{Uw-c&pmove}}). Before this can be easily reversed, there are subsequent edits at the new page, thereby foreclosing just deleting it and moving the origin title there as should have been done in the first place. The problem created is that the page history of one (which shows the copyright attribution of the edits, and where you can follow how those edits came about), has been divorced from its source.
Notwithstanding this, it's not really a big deal to do a history merge for unrelated-origin-pages if the histories are not extensive and do not overlap in time, such that anyone looking at the page history can follow back the versions without any confusion. Here though, were a history merge to be performed, it would create a big problem; multiple versions of the history would be "shuffled" – with edits to the differing content intertwined. If you looked at a diff for any such instance of shuffled content, for example, it would provide a false appearance that the editor involved made all these massive changes they did not (and would likely make their edit summary nonsensical). Hope this helps. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Rmaloney3. I see you've already had some guidance on this, in discussion of why the request was declined. As noted there, we (generally) do not do history merges unless the pages have a common origin for the actual content (as opposed to the situation here, where the pages have a common subject but different content and different histories for the development of that content). Let me just add that the chief problem here is the overlapping time frames.
- Thanks. I posted a request on the linked page. I appreciate the help. Rmaloney3 (talk) 17:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Article status
Hi,
How do I find out about a status on my article.
Thank you Solome2020 (talk) 17:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- It is awaiting review. Please be patient, the review queue is quite long. AdmiralEek (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Solome2020 Literally, it is not a queue, as reviewers select from the drafts whatever they want to review next. However, in general, reviewers work to not letting drafts get tooooo old. David notMD (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello! – Help with correction to page: The Stone Twins
Dear Teahouse, Thank you all for your great work!
I hope that someone can help with the editing of the page: The Stone Twins. The edit from 8 March 2021 contains false and misleading information. It is incorrect to state that The Stone Twins are “creating and promoting debunked COVID-19 misinformation”. This creative communication agency is simply questioning the fearmongering about COVID-19 and the proportionately of the measures/restrictions. The Stone Twins are strong believers in social criticism and the freedom of expression.
Please can someone correct this page by reverting to the version of 16 September 2020? As you can see in the ‘revision history’, I am having difficulties editing it. :(
Thanking you in anticipation. TheStoneTwins (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Change your username (We do not permit usernames that imply promotional or role status) and argue this on the talk page of the article. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- TheStoneTwins, just so you know, according to WP:NAMEGUIDE, each account represents one person, so you must create a separate account if there is more than one person using the account right now. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 14:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Dear A little blue Bori + Sungodtemple thank you both for your help. I thought that transparency was the best approach in flagging this issue of possible vandalism - where a misleading and false statement about my company was added on 8 March 2021 by an anonymous source. However, I understand Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and greatly appreciate your advice.
A question about tables
So how do you decide when to use style="background: #ddffdd; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-cast"|Main, style="background: #DAEBFF; vertical-align: middle; text-align: center; " class="table-cast"|Guest etc in a judges table? Superman011 (talk) 18:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, could you be more clear? MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 19:35, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- This is in reference to an earlier question about coloring boxes in tables on various The Voice articles. David notMD (talk) 21:08, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Reverting Signature
So, I changed my signature for April Fools' and I don't remember what it was before I changed it. Is there any way I can revert it back or do I just have to find my signature from before then and use that? A Wild Wolf has appeared! | Gotta catch 'em all! (talk) 18:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- You'll probably have to find your old signature (which seems to be "Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk)"). Kleinpecan (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yep, that's the one I"m looking for. Thanks! (kept my comment unsigned because i"m changing the signature right after I post it) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze The Wolf (talk • contribs) 18:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Request for an article to be edited
Hello! So I would like to improve the SnowRunner article, however I'm afraid I might have a conflict of interest or may not be able to improve it according to Wikipedia's guidelines. Is there a place where I could request for someone to take a look at the article and improve it in whatever way they feel it's right? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:39, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Blaze The Wolf: Your best bet is to declare your COI on the talk page (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#General COI), and then put in an edit request on the talk page, per Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. This allows you to share specific info you have about what should be changed, but also allows other unconnected editors to ensure the info is properly sourced and not promotional. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well I'm not sure if I have a conflict of interest or not. BUt I will go ahead and do that. Thanks! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:19, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Edit was reverted?
Hi! I made an edit to the wikipedia page for August 16, and added rapper Young Thug. The edit was reverted, any idea why? DevShub (talk) 18:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- The edit was reverted by User:Bruce1ee, who wrote: "new entries require an inline citation; see WP:DOYCITE". Kleinpecan (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DevShub: I added it back with a source this time. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:08, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Why are there so little articles about Chinese settlements?
In the last two days, I have created around 7 articles about Chinese towns, townships and villages, and if you take a look at ‘list of township-level divisions in (literally any Chinese province)’ about 90% of these divisions are ladies in red (red links), and sometimes not even red links, just completely missed out. I did a bit of research and I found one possible answer, I think it’s because most towns and townships don’t have many unique or interesting facts from reliable sources in ENGLISH. Only about 3 pages on Google in English but when I search it again in Chinese, there is so much information about the division on Chinese websites (We can view Chinese websites through Google but they can’t view ours) to the point where a full article with headers and everything could be made. Why is China specifically so unfinished on Wikipedia when we have so much information about it? I might put one of those badges promoting more articles in China on my user page.
I’m also mentioning that a bot created most polish villages, like check 5 random small rural village articles on Wikipedia and they’ll all be in the same format, expressing the distance from their provincial capital and everything. Can’t we create a bot for China since it’s so unfinished? LongWinterBranches158 (talk) 19:09, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
PS. on the polish village thing, it was to the point where it was hard to not find an article on villages when roaming around different parts of poland in google maps. take these 5 for example, same format and everything, with the occasional fact added by a human. Skowronów, Narty, Łódź Voivodeship, Chlewska Wola, Prynowo, Wolica, Lubartów County — Preceding unsigned comment added by LongWinterBranches158 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi LongWinterBranches158, what you want is Wikipedia:Bot requests. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 19:33, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Wouldn't that be on the frequently denied bot list for a stub maker (all a bot can do is check Google Maps and a few consistent sources to add information)? Like how was the Poland bot not denied? It makes lots of stubs.
- I'd say your average bot china article would look a little something like this — Preceding unsigned comment added by LongWinterBranches158 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have no clue whether it would be denied or approved. All I'm doing is directing you to the right page for this. The Teahouse is the wrong place for this. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 19:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @LongWinterBranches158: Lots of third World countries have poor coverage in Wikipedia. In China's case it's a big factor that Wikipedia is blocked by Chinese censorship so we miss a lot of potential editors. List of countries by English-speaking population says 10 million speak it and 300 million are "learners". The Polish villages were created in 2008–09 where it was easier to get a bot approved for article creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have no clue whether it would be denied or approved. All I'm doing is directing you to the right page for this. The Teahouse is the wrong place for this. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 19:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'd say your average bot china article would look a little something like this — Preceding unsigned comment added by LongWinterBranches158 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Does this draft have problems?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Prende_TV ItsJustdancefan (talk) 19:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @ItsJustdancefan: Yes, it does. The first paragraph has a promotional tone, not encyclopedic. Most (if not all) of the references don't seem to provide independent coverage of the service. The first paragraph states it launched on March 31, while the second paragraph indicates it "is set to launch in the first quarter of 2021", and then says it launched on March 30 - which is it? There are also issues with grammar, capitalization, incomplete sentence, and spacing. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 19:29, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @ItsJustdancefan: Also, although the draft claims that "Wikimedia Commons has media related to Prende TV", there doesn't seem to be any media in Commons. GoingBatty (talk) 19:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi ItsJustdancefan, your draft is written like an advertisement. At Wikipedia we aim for a neutral point of view. For more help, read Wikipedia:Your first article. MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 19:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi ItsJustdancefan. You committed copyright infringement and engaged in plagiarism in writing the draft. Don't ever do that again, anywhere on Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Does revision deletion apply here?
I have once seen a nonsensical allegation on Wikipedia that states that a famous person is another's father when their age is near the same. Should I invoke Revision Deletion? If yes, under which criteria? Thanks and don't bite me, DePlume (talk) 20:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi DePlume. You can't "invoke" a revision deletion, but you can request that an administrator or oversighter look at the content in question and assess it. Follow the guidance given in WP:REVDELREQUEST and let an administrator/oversighter sort things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DePlume: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for your concern and for a very sensible question. As usual, Marchjuly gives well-grounded advice. Notwithstanding that I don't know the specifics, I really don't feel that the scenario you describe even closely meets the criteria for redaction (see WP:CRD). If someone were to describe me here as the lovechild of Ronald Reagan, I would simply expect that edit to be reverted as unsubstantiated. It's not grossly offensive to me - just laughable. Uncited edits about living people simply need to be reverted, not revdel-ed. And I say that as someone who is happy to revdel offensive comments, whether in edits or just in edit summaries. But it always comes down to the details. If in doubt - and especially if it relates to details about, or published by, a minor - please contact one or more active administrators willing to make revision deletions. It's best to do this offline. See. Before I got the admin tools, I found it hard to know who to contact, so I would work through that list and check each editor's contributions to see who might still be awake and active at that moment. But the scenario you describe does not sound like there is any urgency for action at all. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
My editing was deleted
Hi I made some changes to the entry on Camille Paglia, clarifying her political views. The changes were under the 'politics' subheading. I quoted from an interview she did and provided a reference link to a youtube interview clip (approx two minutes long) where she stated the exact words I quoted. I then clarified what changes I had made and why the changes were necessary in the summary. Within minutes, the changes had been removed.
Could you let me know why this happened and what I did wrong please?
Many thanks VeMangoTree (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @VeMangoTree: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the revision history for the Camille Paglia article, you can see that your edit was reverted because a bot identified it as possible vandalism. Since your edit was obviously not vandalism, you can use the link in the revision history to report the false positive. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
@VeMangoTree I may be wrong but Youtube links are not reliable with a few exceptions. As for the interview those are not generally reliable as they are from the articles subject themshelves so it would be similiar to an autobiography. We have no way of verifying what that person says. That's why. You may wish to speak to a more experienced editor for additional clarification. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gandalf the Groovy: WP:ABOUTSELF is the relevant policy here. Generally a politician's claims of their positions could be used, unless reliable sources disagree (however, they could be undue weight). Elli (talk | contribs) 21:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
@Elli Thanks! Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Articles for Creation
Can anyone look at and review/decline Articles for Creation submissions or is there a process to be allowed to do this. I would like to help look at articles and reject articles that clearly are not fit for wikipedia. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gandalf the Groovy: There's a process - see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation. GoingBatty (talk) 21:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Once there, go to Participants for criteria. David notMD (talk) 21:14, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Gandalf the Groovy: while you'd need to be a reviewer to decline articles, anyone can move AfC articles out of draftspace if they're clearly acceptable, or nominate them for speedy deletion if they're clearly not (such as if they are a blatant copyvio or attack page). Elli (talk | contribs) 23:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Sockpuppet Investigations
Hi, how would I open a sockpuppet investigation? I have pretty clear evidence, but I'm not sure how to do it. Thanks! xRENEGADEx (talk | contribs) 21:47, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I looked and there is already an open SPI against them. xRENEGADEx (talk | contribs) 21:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Help with cite news template
Hi! I am struggling with the cite news template in an expansion I'm drafting in my sandbox: User:Silence of Järvenpää/Kullervo. As one can see, I'm getting red error output. Would someone be able to assist me? Thanks! Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 22:17, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Silence of Järvenpää: you have
|archive-url=
which is meant for a link to an web archive, not to a website. If the source is online, do|url=https://path/to/source
instead. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Fix Dead Links Tool
Is the external tool Fix Dead links down? When I click on the link I receive a "No Webservice" in my browser window.--Pibal373 (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC) Pibal373 (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Pibal373. Please would you supply a url to the tool you are referring to?. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: The URL is https://iabot.toolforge.org/index. The link is located under View history >>>External tools of every article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pibal373 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Pibal373 Yes, that tool has been down for a few days. It looks like one of the tool's owner's Cyberpower678 is aware there's an issue, but it's not a quick fix according to the messages on their talkpage. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Joseph2302 Thanks. Hopefully they get it fixed soon. It's a good tool.--Pibal373 (talk) 17:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Pibal373 Yes, that tool has been down for a few days. It looks like one of the tool's owner's Cyberpower678 is aware there's an issue, but it's not a quick fix according to the messages on their talkpage. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Can a Move Request be placed on hold?
If yes, how? Thanks and don't bite me, DePlume (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DePlume: what do you mean? Elli (talk | contribs) 00:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- As in suspending such a request for later resumption. Thanks and don't bite me, DePlume (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DePlume: not really... Elli (talk | contribs) 00:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Hi DePlume. I'm not sure what you mean by "place on hold". If you're referring to a proposed move request that's currently being discussed on some article talk page, then it would be perfectly OK for you to participate in such a discussion and explain your reasons for wanting the move to be delayed or postponed as explained in WP:RMCOMMENT. If you're referring to a move that's already been completed, then you can perhaps find some ideas on how to handle such a situation in WP:RMUM and WP:MR. Finally, and this is just a personal observation, you might not want to add
don't bite me
to every post you make. Most experienced editors are familiar with WP:BITE and it can be explained to those who aren't if and when they do WP:BITE you. Adding it to every post you make seems unnecessary and may actually be counterproductive per WP:CITEBITE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)Hi DePlume. I'm not sure what you mean by "place on hold". If you're referring to a proposed move request that's currently being discussed on some article talk page, then it would be perfectly OK for you to participate in such a discussion and explain your reasons for wanting the move to be delayed or postponed as explained in WP:RMCOMMENT. If you're referring to a move that's already been completed, then you can perhaps find some ideas on how to handle such a situation in WP:RMUM and WP:MR. Finally, and this is just a personal observation, you might not want to add
- @DePlume: not really... Elli (talk | contribs) 00:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- As in suspending such a request for later resumption. Thanks and don't bite me, DePlume (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Reason for Deletion of Article.
Hi Wikipedians, I have recently cancelled the contract with the Commpany I had mentioned in my User Page. So, a few days back, I saw a video of Damon Frost and thought of creating a Wikipedia Page for him. Also, his son Maceo Frost is a notable person, and I am about to create an article about him.. But when I tried to create an article on Damon, I submitted it for review and it said that it was promoted to deletion. Please do let me know the reason for this.It was my first article, so please do let me know the mistake I made in this. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 02:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 02:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Jocelin Andrea: The reason is given:
Link added. You also created the article in articlespace, where it will be scrutinised a lot more than if it were in draftspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)non-notable; fails GNG
- @Tenryuu: Thanks for your help. So, I have dropped the idea about Damon Frost. Please do check the article in my draft space. That article is about his son, Maceo Frost. Kindly check if there are any errors to be changed and weather his references are good.Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Tenryuu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maceo_Frost is the link for the draft article. Please do check weather this article is ready to get published or there are errors in it, so that I can submit it for review. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 03:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Jocelin Andrea: A reviewer knows what to look for compared to me, but I'd be wary of the external links as a reviewer could interpret the number of them to be promotional. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC) There are some spelling and capitalisation mistakes in the last para. Spinney Hill (talk) 07:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Jocelin Andrea: a hint about getting reviewed. There is no order in which drafts are reviewed: it depends on a reviewer seeing a draft and choosing to look at it. I'm not a reviewer, but when I look at a draft and see a list of citations which are bare URL's, it's certainly a turn off. The first step in evaluating sources is to look the title, publication and date, none of which are necessarily visible in the bare URL. Please look at WP:REFB. --ColinFine (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- You claim the photograph as your own work, but at Commons you also wrote "This is the Picture of Maceo Frost, which I captured." This is clearly a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think he was born in 1960 either. PrincessPersnickety (talk) 15:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- You claim the photograph as your own work, but at Commons you also wrote "This is the Picture of Maceo Frost, which I captured." This is clearly a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 14:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Jocelin Andrea: I am not a reviewer either, but there are too many claims in the draft that are unsourced, including some that have a source that doesn't support the claim. For instance, in the sentence "He won a young guns award[5] for best creative under 30 in 2017 one club for creativity." the reference at [5] is a listing of the films being shown at Santa Barbara International Film Festival 2019, which includes a film by Maceo Frost, but there is nothing about any award, or about anything else that's mentioned in the paragraph where you added the reference. References are there to verify the content in the Wikipedia article. --bonadea contributions talk 18:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Does this article need a reference?
Does this article need a reference? KGBT-FM SparklesonApple (talk) 02:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @SparklesonApple: yes, references to reliable sources should be added. Feel free to help! Elli (talk | contribs) 03:06, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Is it possible to edit a person’s age?
I have noticed that the age for Caitlin Collins, CNN reporter, is listed incorrectly, despite her date of birth being correct. She turned 29 today, but is shown as being 28.
How can this mistake be corrected? 2601:643:4300:4720:9CD8:2391:42F5:CC76 (talk) 03:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- courtesy link (note spelling): Kaitlan Collins
- It should be OK now. In some situations, it takes Wikipedia a while to update its calculations (such as age). Making any edit to the page (even unrelated to the date of birth or age) should do it, as should doing something called purging the cache. Or, you could be lazy like me, and just wait for it to eventually update. Have fun! --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi IP 2601:643:4300:4720:9CD8:2391:42F5:CC76. The article you're asking about is Kaitlan Collins (Caitlin Collins is an article about a different person), and it currently shows her age as "29". Most of the times such information is added to articles via a template which automatically calculates a person's age based on their date of birth and the current date. My guess is that perhaps you looked at the article while it was still April 6 (i.e. while Collins was still 28) or maybe it just took some time for the information to be updated. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:31, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Was experiencing a similar issue on the page for Richard Thompson just now. It says his date of birth is 3 April 1949, but his age hadn't updated to 72. It's been a while since I last edited anything here, but I remember there were templates used for this sort of thing. Btw, when I logged in to mention this, and I reloaded that page again, the age did update to 72. Logged out, it's back to 71. Tamtation (talk) 05:22, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Tamtation: probably your browser's cache? Elli (talk | contribs) 05:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Elli: That's what I thought, but it doesn't seem to be what's causing this. Well, I am not going to lose any sleep over it. Tamtation (talk) 05:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
New Draft For Emmanuel A. Baptiste
Hello, I created a new Draft for Emmanuel A. Baptiste. Can someone make sure all the format is correct, so it gets accepted soon?
Thank you! Allthewaytoheaven (talk) 06:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Seventy minutes after you wrote that, Tatupiplu declined Draft:Emmanuel A. Baptiste. As she says, the draft doesn't present evidence of notability, as the term is understood in Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- All of the refs are to his businesses. Needs refs about him written by people not connected to him. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Linking an English page to it's comparable non-English page
I was looking at the category page for French super-heroes and wanted to see what the equivalent French page said. However, in the sidebar there were no links to a French version. I assumed there wasn't one; however, there is. I would link them to one another, but can't figure out how to do this.
Thank you. Randlesc (talk) 06:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Randlesc: interwiki links are managed at Wikidata. The page I linked gives you some instructions on how to link up pages there. Elli (talk | contribs) 06:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Will you accept this as a question?
A simple question: Will the hosts and other editors who participate in the Teahouse project accept a sincere thank you for helping people out and making WP a better place? Brunswicknic (talk) 09:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- You might want to read Expect no thanks bop34 • talk • contribs 11:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Absolutely, thank away. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- We definitely would but we wouldn't expect any. Most of us here are just volunteers, helping out the community on our own time. But a thank you is always welcome! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi
Hi! N1l3shSh1 (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, N1l3shSh1, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've added a header, to separate your posting from the previous section. Have you a question about editing Wikipedia?a --ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Deanike mohan Bare
Deanike mohan Bare (talk) 13:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Deanike mohan Bare, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've added a header, to separate your posting from the previous section. Have you a question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Deanike mohan Bare, I'm not sure why you've copied the article Rainbow flag (LGBT) to your user page, but this is not a good idea. First, you user page is not for developing articles: it's a place where you may if you choose tell the Wikipedia community a little about yourself as a Wikipedia editor: see WP:User page for more information. Secondly, copying within Wikipedia is not encouraged, for various reasons - see that page for an explanation. If you want to make some change to Rainbow flag (LGBT), it would be much better to make small changes directly to the article; or (especially if you want to make a bigger change) to discuss what you want to do first on the talk page Talk:Rainbow flag (LGBT). --ColinFine (talk) 13:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Some editors choose to copy sections of articles to their Sandbox, edit there, check to make sure everything is correct, then patch that back into the existing article. But not entire articles. David notMD (talk) 15:02, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Deanike mohan Bare, I'm not sure why you've copied the article Rainbow flag (LGBT) to your user page, but this is not a good idea. First, you user page is not for developing articles: it's a place where you may if you choose tell the Wikipedia community a little about yourself as a Wikipedia editor: see WP:User page for more information. Secondly, copying within Wikipedia is not encouraged, for various reasons - see that page for an explanation. If you want to make some change to Rainbow flag (LGBT), it would be much better to make small changes directly to the article; or (especially if you want to make a bigger change) to discuss what you want to do first on the talk page Talk:Rainbow flag (LGBT). --ColinFine (talk) 13:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Please note for future reference, Deanike mohan Bare, that you MUST provide copyright attribution when you copy content from one Wikipedia page to another. This is described at the page ColinFine linked above, Wikipedia:copying within Wikipedia. Though as noted, this content does not, in any event, belong at your userpage, I have repaired the copyright problem (see WP:RIA) by providing the missing attribution through the edit summary in this edit. Please be sure to provide copyright attribution for all future copying. Thanks--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Ariana Grande
So you know Ariana Grande is on replacing Nick Jonas so can she be on the timeline where all the finalists and who are the coaches and what colour is she going to be? Superman011 Superman011 (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- ...What? MEisSCAMMER(talk)(contribs) 14:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Superman011 Teahouse is not a place to ask questions about The Voice (or whichever Voice article it applies to). Ask at the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Can registered editors get blocked from editing? Superman011 (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Draft article does not allow for saving and/or submitting for review
I have a Draft article at Draft:Sustainable_efficiency_in_water_systems, which was produced by an Editor in a previous review. It has the link "Submit the draft for review!" but does nothing. Also, in the Edit mode, I am hesitant to use the "Publish changes..." link, because I think it takes the article from the Draft space and publishes it as a real article.
How can I make changes to this draft article, save it, and when it is ready submit it for review?
Thank you for your help. Mitral8 (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Mitral8. Publish changes just means to update the draft. Click that button as often as you want. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not ready yet, as big sections of text with no references. David notMD (talk) 21:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Cullen328. Yes it worked, thank you. And David notMD, yes it is not ready. Needs much changes, it is my first article. Mitral8 (talk) 21:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Not ready yet, as big sections of text with no references. David notMD (talk) 21:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Pending changes review
Hello, how can I review the pending changes on Punjab Wikiarticle? Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 18:57, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- To do this you must have reviewer right. People with this right are known as pending changes reviewers. Sysops can also review pending changes. If you are interested in becoming a reviewer, you can apply for the permission. Don't feel like you have to though as I accepted the pending changes. Feel free to reply if you have any further questions. bop34 • talk • contribs 19:07, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Minecraft: The Movie Question.
Do you mind if i make a official article of this draft (Draft:Minecraft: The Movie). There has been a lot of updates to the film recently and i think it should be noted for wikipedia. CodyGaming999 (talk) 19:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, CodyGaming999. I see no evidence that this long-delayed film is even in production yet. Am I missing something? Normally, we do not have an encyclopedia article about a movie until principal photography begins. Has that happened? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:12, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes. it has happened. but it took a very slow and painful process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CodyGaming999 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- If it has "happened" as you say, CodyGaming999, then provide a link to a published reliable source verifying that. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- If you can provide accurate and reliable sources go ahead. However as far as I know, there's no new news on it other than it might happen. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:29, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hollywood Reporter says that the March, 2022 release date has been delayed indefinitely by Warner Brothers. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Adding a topic:subject to Wikipedia
How can i provide the correct description for a new Wikipedia entry to ensure that it is correct? WikiSoCalBradley (talk) 20:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- WikiSoCalBradley, by "new Wikipedia entry", are you referring to an article which exists, or to an article you wish to propose?--Quisqualis (talk) 20:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
How to prevent vandalism to a page?
I help manage the page of Christina Z. a comic book writer and there has a been constant harassment and vandalism on her facebook and instagram from an obsessed female fan. I've just deleted her bizarre vandalism but knowing how many stalkers will only continue until they are given attention, what is the best way to protect a page from people like this and to stop it as soon as it happens? DesignatedFillData (talk) 20:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DesignatedFillData: assuming you're talking about this edit, the easiest way to go about it would be to request the page be protected at WP:RFP. versacespaceleave a message! 20:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- I've blocked that user from editing the Christina Z article for 6 months. If they make disruptive edits on other articles, I can implement a full block. Page protection isn't called for unless there's disruption that can be handled by blocks. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DesignatedFillData: Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for your efforts to stop vandalism. If you have any personal or professional relationship with Christina Z, then you probably have a conflict of interest that you should disclose on your user page. If so, then you may suggest improvements to the Christina Z article on its talk page, Talk:Christina Z, and use the {{request edit}} template to ask for assistance from another editor. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Adding Articles That Don't Meet Notability Policies?
What's the procedure if you notice an editor/group of editors creating articles or stubs for encyclopedic inclusion that they, more likely than not, know that the topic is not notable enough for Wikipedia? Evidenced by putting sources in the article that are broken/dead/non-existent/trivial mention, etc. with no additional sources to verify topic notability. Megtetg34 (talk) 20:22, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Megtetg: nominating those articles for deletion should be a satisfactory response for now. versacespaceleave a message! 20:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Would you provide links to some of those articles? Possible that Speedy deletion might be faster. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- David notMD - Sure! And, I've mostly done as versacespace has suggested. For example though, here, here, and here, etc. Just continue nominating for AFD as find them then? Megtetg34 (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Megtetg: sounds good! it may be easier to check the users' article creations at special:contribs instead of looking for the articles. versacespaceleave a message! 23:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- David notMD - Sure! And, I've mostly done as versacespace has suggested. For example though, here, here, and here, etc. Just continue nominating for AFD as find them then? Megtetg34 (talk) 23:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Would you provide links to some of those articles? Possible that Speedy deletion might be faster. David notMD (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Checking editors' other article creations would take a LOT of work for your second example, as User:Edwardx has created more than 500 articles. David notMD (talk) 01:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Waiting for submission / Where is my pending article now?
Hi folks,
I worked for a week on my first article (about Marianna Muntianu (don´t know who she is? Well, you won´t find her at wikipedia yet...) Whatever, I finally dared to ask for a review to convert the draft into a published text. The info popped up it would take about 4 months. Well... ok. BUT: Today I wanted to change sth. but can´t find the text anymore. I´m a bit nervous the work disappeared forever... Thanks, Uta UtaNabert (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @UtaNabert: it's actually right here. Do what you'd like with it. versacespaceleave a message! 20:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- CAN take as long as months. The pile of drafts at AfC is not a queue. Reviewers select what they want to review next. So, could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. You are welcome to continue to edit Draft:Marianna Muntianu while you wait. David notMD (talk) 21:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @UtaNabert: it's actually right here. Do what you'd like with it. versacespaceleave a message! 20:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
References
In an article draft I make reference to the fact that I was a Contributing Editor for a magazine back in the '70s for 2 years and name the magazine, but the magazines doesn't exist anymore, and the Internet didn't exist back then, so a reference link isn't possible. I do however have copies of the issues with my articles in them.
How should I handle this?
2603:6000:C600:A607:C0C0:EEF6:95EB:C0B0 (talk) 20:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC) 2603:6000:C600:A607:C0C0:EEF6:95EB:C0B0 (talk) 20:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello IP user. References do not have to be online. As long as the reference contains usual bibliographic information like title, date, publisher, and ISSN if it has one, that's fine: see Template:cite journal, (which is not obligatory, but is a handy way to present a citation to a magazine or journal).
- However, your question throws up a couple of concerns. First, Wikipedia has a strong preference for secondary sources - if it is germane to the article that you were a contributing editor to this magazine, Wikipedia would much prefer that this fact was cited to a source unconnected with you or the magazine. Secondly, it's not clear what the relevance of this fact is to the draft article, but it suggests that it may be on a subject where you have a conflict of interest: please review that page and follow its guidance. --ColinFine (talk) 21:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse! {{cite magazine}} is appropriate when the publication you're referencing is not an academic journal. GoingBatty (talk) 00:31, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
Question on Notability for Restaurant
Hi there! I'm a bit confused at the notability guidelines, so I'm asking it here. Recently, I've been doing a lot of research on a local pub/restaurant that's been around for a few hundred years, and I believe it could make a decent Wikipedia page! I was just wondering, however, would this be notable enough for Wikipedia?
Thanks in advance! Owen250708 (talk) 20:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Owen250708. The test is simple but the devil's in the details.
- See generally Help:Your first article. Then:
- compile a list of reliable, secondary, independent sources that treat the topic in substantive detail (think at least two to three paragraphs dedicated to the topic [one proviso – for a restaurant, that would have to be about its history, founding, background, etc. – matters on which an article could be based; not just different reviews of their food]), to see whether it is actually notable, as we use that concept here; the existence of those sources is what determines whether a topic is generally notability;
- however, please be sure you unpack that standard, with its four mentioned parts, and thus look for the right types of sources and depth of treatment – you might find Wikipedia:Common sourcing mistakes (notability) of assistance with that;
- if you can't make that list with at least three entries, with different content from one another, write nothing – no article is seemingly possible on the restaurant at this time, because it hasn't been the subject of sufficient independent publication by the wider world – and you will be wasting your time; no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability;
- if you can, visit the Wikipedia:Article wizard and follow the prompts to create a draft;
- write only what the sources you've compiled first verify (without copying the words used); and
- cite those verifying sources as you write, which will also demonstrate the topic's notability.
- Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- If the building has been around for several hundred years there is a good chance of it being listed, that will give you at least one good source, possibly several covering the building from an architectural point of view. If it is listed grade I that will usually be enough to meet the notability criteria without further worry. ϢereSpielChequers 22:12, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
The Old Trip to Jerusalem, The [[Ye Olde Salutation Inn Salutation]] and the Bell (all in Nottingham) have articles with a spread of references and seem to me to be good examples of the kind of thing required. So does the Cheshire .Cheese off Fleet Street,London. The Bell at Long Hanborough and the Plumbers Arms,Belgravia are not so good. Spinney Hill (talk) 23:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Offer to rewrite a draft for money
I wrote a draft about my Father Richard Kerner who is a retired professor, and the draft has been in review since January 2021. I flagged that I was related to him, but that the page in English is mostly a translation of an already written article in French, by a person not related to him. Recently, my Dad received an email from a certain Tamsin S Amanda declaring they are an experienced Wikipedian:
"I am an experienced Wikipedian. I will do online research and rewrite the content in an encyclopedic tone, format the draft according to Wikipedia guidelines and get it approved, I will forward the final draft for you to review before submitting it."
My Father replied to thank that person, who then said:
"I will rewrite this declined draft according to Wikipedia guidelines and submit it for review. It will cost you Euro 280, pay me when the page approved and published. Regards, Tamsin S Amanda"
I understand that nothing prevents people from offering their services for a fee, but this looks very much like a scam. I should say that I support Wikipedia by making monthly donations. What is Wikimedia Foundation's position on such matters? JacquesKerner (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi JacquesKerner. It is probably is a scam – see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning – but it might not be. There are a bunch of mostly incompetent, often predatory acting, but nevertheless actual services that do write Wikipedia articles for money. The result is often a pile of stinking garbage, done in violation of our policies, for far too much money, that most of us could do far better than in about an hour, and that get deleted, but that's not "technically" a scam, right? If it's not clear, I recommend staying far, far away. Oh, by the way, the first email content you excerpted is probably what they write to numerous people, so it's been groomed a bit. The second part is full of grammar mistakes because they had to actual tailor it to your father's message, betraying their lack of English competency, and thus assured lack of ability to write a truly competent article.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I really appreciate your quick answer! We'll just stay put and wait for a good soul to review the draft. Is there anything one can do to have such a draft processed in the following months? JacquesKerner (talk) 22:03, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @JacquesKerner: I think it is definitely a wise decision not to respond to the people asking for your money! I took a quick look at Draft:Richard Kerner – I am not a reviewer, but I am a reasonably experienced editor, and also an academic. My gut feeling is that he is notable, but I wonder if there might be more references by independent/secondary parties writing about him? That kind of source is often hard to find for academics, and it doesn't have to mean that the person is not notable according to Wikipedia's definition, but it would help. I don't know whether you have consulted this guideline – it tells you more about what makes an academic notable in the eyes of Wikipedia, especially when there aren't many secondary sources. It is possible that User:DGG might have more input on this, since he is very knowledgeable about the notability requirements for academics. Bonne chance! --bonadea contributions talk 22:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the guideline on academic notability, I will read it to better understand if Richard Kerner qualifies and if so, what to provide to support the claim. --JacquesKerner (talk) 22:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- (e/c) @JacquesKerner: Anytime. Meanwhile, there's really nothing you can do much to speed up the review, but I can advise that it will surely be declined in its current state. We are looking almost entirely for content that is verified by citations to reliable, secondary, independent sources that treat the topic in substantive detail. The draft mostly cites primary sources, and most of the sources don't actually verify the content at all; they're databases, photographs, things like that. When you write "Kerner conducted his career as a professor and researcher at the University Pierre and Marie Curie", and then cite a source, the source should corroborate the information it is cited in relation to, directly. Here, you cite a page listing your father's supervision of many students' theses. One might induce from the fact that he did so that he must have been a professor at that university, but that's about it; utterly indirect and attenuated. This is to say, your father may be notable based on what you've said about him, and as we use that word here (despite that the vast majority of people in the world are not; I'm not), but the draft certainly doesn't demonstrate that, and relies on primary sources, used improperly.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
ANNNNNND, Declined, for lack of secondary source references. References used in Wikipedia articles other than English often are not considered reliable source, secondary references in English Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 22:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
how to improve footnote {which?}, to fix weasel words
on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Diamond
the sentence currently reads: "won numerous film festival awards,[which?]"
the answer is a list of 15 film festivals. should that be a footnote for each one? should that be one footnote with the text listing the specific list, and if so, does one need to include additional documentation? DocumentarianX (talk) 22:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, DocumentarianX. Obviously, some film festivals are more prestigious than others. I would not attempt to list all 15. Instead, I would select the three or four festivals that are most prestigious based on the Wikipedia articles about the festivals, and provide a reference for each that you choose to mention. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- thanks, @Cullen328: and so, to be clear from what you just told me, one footnote per festival cited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocumentarianX (talk • contribs) 23:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @DocumentarianX: It doesn't matter whether you have one source for 4 festivals, or a different source for each festival. What matters is the quality of each source (e.g. independent and reliable sources). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:38, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- thanks, @Cullen328: and so, to be clear from what you just told me, one footnote per festival cited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DocumentarianX (talk • contribs) 23:40, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Removing background
Hi, what things do you use to remove background of images?. Well if you know some things that remove backgrounds for images, please recommend me the best ones or send me links, of places where they could remove backgrounds. Thank you.Lady Orthodoxy (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- Lady Orthodoxy, I’m so glad you asked. I happen to enjoy using software like this. Try remove.bg I hope this one helps. ;) HelenDegenerate (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Blue Sky is NOT being cancelled.
Blue Sky Studios is actually back in business read this link. https://variety.com/2017/film/news/fox-blue-sky-studios-connecticut-2025-1202026529/ Spixmacaw101 (talk) 23:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Spixmacaw101: Welcome to the Teahouse. You're going to want to discuss this over at Talk:Blue Sky Studios. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:02, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
hi
2604:4080:1018:89C1:B854:FD08:909A:2227 (talk) 00:13, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hi there! Do you have a question about Wikipedia? GoingBatty (talk) 00:39, 9 April 2021 (UTC)