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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
Discussions awaiting closure
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MfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
FfD | 0 | 0 | 23 | 8 | 31 |
AfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 17 |
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 23 (8 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 22 (9 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 21 (15 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 20 (19 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 19 (14 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 18 (19 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 17 (19 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 16 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 15 (11 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 14 (10 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 13 (14 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 12 (12 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 11 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 10 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 6 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 5 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 3 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 2 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 26 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 25 (3 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 21 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 10 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 29 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
Nomination procedure
Twinkle
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
Manual nominations
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2021 March 31|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion but, unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|WP:CFDS|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This does not include changing the plurality of a noun when such the distinction between topic and set categories is uncertain.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.) If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 21:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC). Currently, there are 55 open requests (. )
Current requests
- Category:Shabab El-Bourj SC players to Category:Shabab El Bourj SC players – C2D: Shabab El Bourj SC Nehme1499 19:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Shabab El-Bourj SC managers to Category:Shabab El Bourj SC managers – C2D: Shabab El Bourj SC Nehme1499 19:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Shabab El-Bourj SC to Category:Shabab El Bourj SC – C2A: Shabab El-Bourj SC Nehme1499 19:44, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Al Mabarra Club managers to Category:Al Mabarra FC managers – C2D: Al Mabarra FC Nehme1499 19:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Al Mabarra Club players to Category:Al Mabarra FC players – C2D: Al Mabarra FC Nehme1499 19:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Al Egtmaaey Tripoli SC players to Category:Al Egtmaaey SC players – C2D: Al Egtmaaey SC Nehme1499 19:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Al Egtmaaey Tripoli SC to Category:Al Egtmaaey SC – C2C: Al Egtmaaey SC Nehme1499 19:41, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Al Mabarra Club to Category:Al Mabarra FC – C2D: Al Mabarra FC Nehme1499 19:39, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:People from Takaka to Category:People from Tākaka – C2C, as per Category: Tākaka and key article Tākaka. Grutness...wha? 10:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Urdu scholars to Category:Urdu-language scholars – C2C: As per Category: Urdu-language poets, Category: Urdu-language singers, Category: Urdu-language writers, etc. Gjs238 (talk) 02:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is not about scholarship in Urdu because those are in Category:Linguists of Urdu. We do not have a tree for scholars of any subject by language. I think this should be merged to Category:Urdu-language writers at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Archbishops by diocese in Canada to Category:Archbishops in Canada by diocese – C2C: per convention in Category:Bishops in Canada by diocese; subcat scheme for Category:Archbishops in Canada. Oculi (talk) 17:43, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Roman Catholic bishops by diocese in Australia to Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Australia by diocese – C2C: per convention in Category:Bishops in Australia by diocese; subcat scheme for Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Australia. Oculi (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Songs written by Robyn Smith to Category:Songs written by Robyn Smith (record producer – Robyn smith is a jockey, and this is a suggested disambiguation per C2D Richhoncho (talk) 17:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:People of the Nagorno-Karabakh War II to Category:People of the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war – C2C per Category:2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. Tagged by anon in January but not listed until now. – Fayenatic London 12:34, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Team Sunweb (women's team) to Category:Team DSM (women's team) – C2D per Team DSM (women's team) – Fayenatic London 10:35, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Songs written by Amund Bjorklund to Category:Songs written by Amund Bjørklund – C2D Richhoncho (talk) 10:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Rizal Ankle Breakers to Category:Rizal Golden Coolers – C2D Rizal Golden Coolers Engr. Smitty Werben 10:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Anglican bishops by diocese in North America to Category:Anglican bishopns in North America by diocese – C2C: per convention of Category:Bishops in North America by diocese and convention for naming subcat schemes. Oculi (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Songs written by Mathieu Jomphe to Category:Songs written by Billboard (record producer) – C2D Richhoncho (talk) 19:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Urdu in Pakistan to Category:Urdu-language in Pakistan – C2C: Child of Category:Languages of Pakistan Gjs238 (talk) 03:24, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not with a dash though, it should be Category:Urdu language in Pakistan. Also, not sure if a rename is needed at all, we also have Category:Pashto. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Urdu in India to Category:Urdu-language in India – C2C: Child of Category:Languages of India Gjs238 (talk) 03:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not with a dash though, it should be Category:Urdu language in India. Also, not sure if a rename is needed at all, we also have Category:Hindi and Category:Sanskrit. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Morristown High School (Morristown, New Jersey) alumni to Category:Morristown High School alumni – C2D: Match title of parent article Morristown High School. Alansohn (talk) 04:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Roman Catholic bishops in South America by diocese to Category:Roman Catholic bishops by diocese in South America – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 09:23, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The parent is Category:Roman Catholic bishops in South America so the name should follow the parental form. The splitter ("by diocese") is the additional information and so should be at the end of the title. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Asia by diocese to Category:Roman Catholic bishops by diocese in Asia – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 09:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The parent is Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Asia so the name should follow the parental form. The splitter ("by diocese") is the additional information and so should be at the end of the title. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Africa by diocese to Category:Roman Catholic bishops by diocese in Africa – C2C: The predominant pattern in Category:Roman Catholic bishops by diocese Rathfelder (talk) 09:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- I withdraw these three. Rathfelder (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The parent is Category:Roman Catholic bishops in Africa so the name should follow the parental form. The splitter ("by diocese") is the additional information and so should be at the end of the title. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category: Roman Catholic archbishops of Seville to Category:Archbishops of Seville – All of the other categories in Category:Roman Catholic archbishops by diocese in Spain are in this format, this one stands out as an exception. Currently, Category:Archbishops of Seville is a redirect back to Category:Roman Catholic archbishops by diocese in Spain. Liz Read! Talk! 21:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is in the correct form. It is the others that ought to be nominated to conform to the form in order to maintain consistency with the overall RC tree (whether that tree itself is right or wrong is a matter for debate elsewhere). Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm perfectly happy to have consistency, I dont mind which way round. Rathfelder (talk) 20:26, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Olba territorium to Category:Olba Kingdom – C2D Olba Kingdom Le Deluge (talk) 13:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The word territorium is being used by the archaeologists. Because the important thing is not the political existance of the kingdom but the arcaeological remains in the territory. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:12th-century Scottish bishops to Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic bishops – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 23:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is the CfD discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:13th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Kingdom of Aragon to Category:13th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Crown of Aragon – C2E: More accurate name Rathfelder (talk) 08:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Kingdom of Aragon to Category:14th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Crown of Aragon – C2E. Rathfelder (talk) 08:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:15th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Kingdom of Aragon to Category:15th-century Roman Catholic bishops in the Crown of Aragon – C2E. Rathfelder (talk) 08:24, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment These are subcategories of Category:13th-century people from the Kingdom of Aragon and its 14th and 15th-century siblings. Also the Crown of Aragon sometimes included Sicily, Naples and Sardinia. TSventon (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: it would be helpful to nominate the parent categories simultaneously, in order to keep them consistent. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- I didnt create the parents, so I cant use this route, and I think I will have to move them to new parents. Rathfelder (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
- I have nominated the parents, if that goes ahead these three categories can also be processed. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:54, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Squatting in Kazakhstan to Category:Squatting by country – C2F: Only article is Squatting in Kazakhstan. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Category:Squatting in Vanuatu Mujinga (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- The merge should be to Category:Squatting, as Category:Squatting by country is a subcat scheme (container). Oculi (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Oculi: As the member page is Squatting in Kazakhstan, I find it more appropriate to process it as nominated, and to remove {{container}} from the target category. – Fayenatic London 13:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Regarding the container issue, maybe better the other way around, delete Category:Squatting in Kazakhstan if it's actually a problem to have a category with only one current entry. Reason being I don't think it will have more entries soon (I'm the person populating these cats). I'd like to keep Category:Squatting by country as a containerised category all things considered, since it maintains order. Mujinga (talk) 10:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Oculi: As the member page is Squatting in Kazakhstan, I find it more appropriate to process it as nominated, and to remove {{container}} from the target category. – Fayenatic London 13:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- The merge should be to Category:Squatting, as Category:Squatting by country is a subcat scheme (container). Oculi (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per Category:Squatting in Vanuatu Mujinga (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:People executed by Italian states to Category:People executed by former countries on the Italian Peninsula- C2C: Category:Former countries on the Italian Peninsula. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think this is valid for Speedy, since the name had consensus at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_10#Category:People_executed_by_Italy, against a similar proposed name floated by Place Clichy. Perhaps it would be better to have a full CFD nomination to rename the six categories currently using "Italian Peninsula". – Fayenatic London 11:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think this is valid for Speedy, since the name had consensus at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_10#Category:People_executed_by_Italy, against a similar proposed name floated by Place Clichy. Perhaps it would be better to have a full CFD nomination to rename the six categories currently using "Italian Peninsula". – Fayenatic London 11:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Defunct departments of the United Kingdom Government to Category:Defunct departments of the Government of the United Kingdom – C2C: per Government of the United Kingdom, Departments of the Government of the United Kingdom, Category:Government of the United Kingdom, Category:Departments of the Government of the United Kingdom. Oculi (talk) 13:09, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Non-ministerial departments of the United Kingdom Government to Category:Non-ministerial departments of the Government of the United Kingdom
- Category:Ministerial departments of the United Kingdom Government to Category:Ministerial departments of the Government of the United Kingdom
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC) - Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization. Also Republic of Artsakh decision. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:04, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Gates of Fez to Category:Gates of Fez, Morocco – C2D per Fez, Morocco/Category:Fez, Morocco Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, I should have brought this up earlier during a similar speedy rename had I been paying closer attention, but these renames are unnecessary as "Fez" is not ambiguous in this context (obviously there are no gates, mosques, and palaces in a Fez hat, and there are no other notable cities named Fez) and therefore adding the disambiguator to further categories is redundant. I'm struggling to see that C2D would require that every single category under it automatically needs to include the same disambiguator as the main article after it's redundant. So adding ", Morocco" to every Fez city subcategory makes the category name less WP:CONCISE and slightly less intuitive for readers. Some of the main article equivalents of these categories may have, or have had, titles without the disambiguator (e.g. Gates of Fez before it was merged to Fortifications of Fez) and other main-space articles about subtopics of Fez now and in the future would likewise lack the disambiguator, so doing this may actually create inconsistency that violates C2D in the long term. Not the end of the world if this goes through, but it looks like extra work for nothing. R Prazeres (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Oppose, same as reasons for Category:Gates of Fez above. R Prazeres (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, same as reasons for Category:Gates of Fez above. R Prazeres (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Moved to a full discussion here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Midrange apparat of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to Category:Midrange apparats of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union – C2A, pluralization Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is also a potential candidate for deletion per WP:NONDEF, these are politicians and writers for whom being a local party official is a minor element in their career. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, as apparat is a collective noun. If there was a plural "apparats" (apparatuses) it would presumably refer to national bureaucracies or organisational divisions, but the contents are individual biographies. One option would be renaming to "apparatchiks", but I don't think that would come under C2. – Fayenatic London 09:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- You're right, my proposal is bad. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:37, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- I have moved this to a full discussion to delete here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, as apparat is a collective noun. If there was a plural "apparats" (apparatuses) it would presumably refer to national bureaucracies or organisational divisions, but the contents are individual biographies. One option would be renaming to "apparatchiks", but I don't think that would come under C2. – Fayenatic London 09:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- This is also a potential candidate for deletion per WP:NONDEF, these are politicians and writers for whom being a local party official is a minor element in their career. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Executive branch of the Slovenian government to Category:Executive branch of the Government of Slovenia – C2C: per Government of Slovenia and Category:Government of Slovenia. Oculi (talk) 19:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC) - Oppose per recent decision in the case of the Republic of Artsakh which has lowercase "government". Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
- Category:Executive branch of the Serbian government to Category:Executive branch of the Government of Serbia – C2C: per Government of Serbia and Category:Government of Serbia. Oculi (talk) 19:27, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC) - Oppose per recent decision in the case of the Republic of Artsakh which has lowercase "government". Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Oculi, Laurel Lodged, and William Allen Simpson: after closure of this discussion, I guess it's alright to renominate these two categories for speedy renaming per nom except with a change to lowercase "g". Do you agree? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Executive branch of the Indian government to Category:Executive branch of the Government of India – C2C: per Government of India, Category:Government of India. Oculi (talk) 15:30, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)- 'The Government of India' is a title, so uppercase is correct. Indian government redirects to Government of India. 'The parent is trailing "government"' makes no sense. Oculi (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per recent decision in the case of the Republic of Artsakh which has lowercase "government". Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the parent is trailing "government". Also capitalization.
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:00, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker to Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker (born 1954) – C2D per Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954). Please don't keep the old page title as a relink, because there are two German directors of the same name – this is the other: Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1910). The article Wolfgang Becker that corresponded to this category name, is now a disambiguation page. Sprachraum (talk) 09:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The main article is Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954), so this should be renamed to Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954). Armbrust The Homunculus 09:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Armbrust, I considered that too, but it seems needlessly redundant. "directed by" already makes obvious that he is a director. Here is an example that doesn't copy the whole article title either: Category:Films directed by Zhang Yang, where the article name is Zhang Yang (director). In Wolfgang Becker's case one can't drop the parentheses completely, because there is also the director born in 1910, but analog to Zhang Yang I would drop the word "director" from the parentheses. --Sprachraum (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- While that may be true, your proposed title doesn’t fit the criteria you chose. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Armbrust, I would appreciate you being more constructive about this. What you seem to be saying, is that the name I propose is fine, but I should have tagged it with a different C2-whatever, therefore you oppose it. (And you don't bother to tell me what criteria-tag I should have used instead.) This sort of bureaucratic obstinacy is not helpful. I've found plenty more category names where it was done like I propose, many of which don't even bother to show the full name with parentheses in the introduction text:
Films directed by Mike Mitchell, Films directed by George Marshall, Films directed by Robert Stevenson, Films directed by Michael Anderson and Films directed by John Glen. I've also found some (but far fewer) who do it the redundant way: Category:Films directed by Scott Sanders (director). If there is a rule that says one of these methods is incorrect, I haven't found it yet. So if the name is fine, please don't waste my time opposing it. I chose C2D because (quote): "the page was just moved after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename". --Sprachraum (talk) 12:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC) - I think this would require a full discussion because the proposed category name is actually diverging from the name of the article, not reproducing it. C2D does not apply. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well congratulations everyone! What a fine time-and-motivation sapping bureaucracy you have built up here, where no-one engages on the substance of the proposition, but only keeps on telling me that I haven't jumped through the right C2-hoop – without telling me which hoop I should have jumped through! (Or why that even matters, if the name is ok.) It feels like a scene from one of my favourite movies, Terry Gilliam's Brazil. So then, please move this to the hallowed full discussion harbour, where someone will actually explain to me, why all the category examples I linked to are wrong – or why this is different, because... --Sprachraum (talk) 04:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sprachraum, it's not really bureaucracy for bureaucracy's sake. There is a substantive issue here. I would oppose a category name that would diverge from the article name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well congratulations everyone! What a fine time-and-motivation sapping bureaucracy you have built up here, where no-one engages on the substance of the proposition, but only keeps on telling me that I haven't jumped through the right C2-hoop – without telling me which hoop I should have jumped through! (Or why that even matters, if the name is ok.) It feels like a scene from one of my favourite movies, Terry Gilliam's Brazil. So then, please move this to the hallowed full discussion harbour, where someone will actually explain to me, why all the category examples I linked to are wrong – or why this is different, because... --Sprachraum (talk) 04:46, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
- I think this would require a full discussion because the proposed category name is actually diverging from the name of the article, not reproducing it. C2D does not apply. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Armbrust, I would appreciate you being more constructive about this. What you seem to be saying, is that the name I propose is fine, but I should have tagged it with a different C2-whatever, therefore you oppose it. (And you don't bother to tell me what criteria-tag I should have used instead.) This sort of bureaucratic obstinacy is not helpful. I've found plenty more category names where it was done like I propose, many of which don't even bother to show the full name with parentheses in the introduction text:
- While that may be true, your proposed title doesn’t fit the criteria you chose. Armbrust The Homunculus 07:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Armbrust, I considered that too, but it seems needlessly redundant. "directed by" already makes obvious that he is a director. Here is an example that doesn't copy the whole article title either: Category:Films directed by Zhang Yang, where the article name is Zhang Yang (director). In Wolfgang Becker's case one can't drop the parentheses completely, because there is also the director born in 1910, but analog to Zhang Yang I would drop the word "director" from the parentheses. --Sprachraum (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The main article is Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954), so this should be renamed to Category:Films directed by Wolfgang Becker (director, born 1954). Armbrust The Homunculus 09:07, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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