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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
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Scope
CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
Discussions awaiting closure
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FfD | 0 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 7 |
AfD | 0 | 0 | 0 | 19 | 19 |
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 December 1 (19 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 30 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 29 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 26 (5 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 24 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 23 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 22 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 17 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 15 (4 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 10 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 9 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 7 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 6 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 3 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 2 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 11 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
Nomination procedure
Twinkle
You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Nominate for deletion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, or if you prefer not to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.
Manual nominations
I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update TemplateName, ProposedName and Reason): For ==== Template:TemplateName ==== :* '''Propose deleting''' {{lt|TemplateName}} :'''Nominator's rationale:''' Reason. ~~~~ For ==== Template:TemplateName ==== :* '''Propose renaming''' [[Template:TemplateName]] to [[Template:ProposedName]] :'''Nominator's rationale:''' Reason. ~~~~
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Notifying interested projects and editors
In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd-notify|Category name|2019 December 9|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd-notify}}
to inform the category's creator and {{Cfdnotice2}}
for all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to continue the process, it may be requested regularly at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply, even if an article is the primary topic of its name.
- This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use {{cfm-speedy}} (speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there are no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.)
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 15:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC). Currently, there are 78 open requests (. )
Current requests
- Category:Engineering companies located in Lincoln, England to Category:Engineering companies based in Lincoln, England – C2C per Category:Companies based in Lincoln, England etc Le Deluge (talk) 12:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Video games set on the Isle of White to Category:Video games set on the Isle of Wight – C2A per the OS and Category:Isle of Wight/Isle of Wight. Crouch, Swale (talk) 05:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom to Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom – C2D: per Judges of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom. Armbrust The Homunculus 04:36, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Important Bird Areas in Myanmar to Category:Important Bird Areas of Myanmar – C2C Category:Important Bird Areas Le Deluge (talk) 18:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Guinean ensembles to Category:Guinean jazz ensembles – C2C: per the convention in Category:Jazz ensembles by nationality. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Care Bear character redirects to lists to Category:Care Bears character redirects to lists – C2D per Care Bears (and C2C needed to make auto-categorisation work properly per Category:Care Bears Le Deluge (talk) 09:46, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Senegalese ensembles to Category:Senegalese jazz ensembles – C2A/C2C - The word "jazz" was left out. Anomalous+0 (talk) 07:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Unit comparison table template → Category:Unit comparison table templates. Plural. ―cobaltcigs 11:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Cobaltcigs: Is there a reason why Milliradian and Minute and second of arc are in the category? Armbrust The Homunculus 17:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Two templates failed to noinclude. It was already like that, but I just didn't notice. ―cobaltcigs 18:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Cobaltcigs: Is there a reason why Milliradian and Minute and second of arc are in the category? Armbrust The Homunculus 17:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Presidents of the National Tsing Hua University to Category:Presidents of National Tsing Hua University – C2A: "The" is not used for the name of this university. See similar subcategories in Category:Presidents of universities and colleges in Taiwan. Zanhe (talk) 07:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
- Category:CBS Corporation television stations to Category:ViacomCBS television stations – C2D: Merger complete Mvcg66b3r (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose at least speedy. According to the category the main article of the category is CBS Television Stations. Armbrust The Homunculus 06:46, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Albums produced by Cole M. Greif-Neill to Category:Albums produced by Cole M.G.N. – C2D: I found that a category already existed for this topic only after I created one based on the main article's title, which I just moved based on the artist's long-established common name. Another user only recently created the other category and only populated it with one page, so I didn't catch it; my bad. Can we move the page? Also should overwrite the new page to preserve the old page history. I grieve in stereo (talk) 10:36, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - this isn't a speedy as you moved the page boldly today. Oculi (talk) 18:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- A more accurate description of the category (which contains only Hyperspace (album)) would be Category:Albums on which one non-notable track is co-produced by Cole M. Greif-Neill. Oculi (talk) 12:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- since when have categories for albums by producer been based on the notability of the track(s) on the album that they produced or that it was co-produced with someone else? As far as I am aware, never. I grieve in stereo (talk) 22:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would say that someone who has produced about 5% of an album cannot be described as having 'produced the album'. The article itself says "The album was co-produced by Beck with Pharrell Williams" and yet it bears no less than 5 producer categories. Oculi (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
"I would say"
—then discuss that with WikiProject Albums or something. I don't know the rule, but as far as I have seen producer categories aren't reserved for the album pages where said producer produced all or most of it. And I frankly don't have any opinions on which pages the category should be included in nor if the category should exist either. I'm only here talking about renaming the original category (which I did not create, User Koavf did). I grieve in stereo (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would say that someone who has produced about 5% of an album cannot be described as having 'produced the album'. The article itself says "The album was co-produced by Beck with Pharrell Williams" and yet it bears no less than 5 producer categories. Oculi (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- since when have categories for albums by producer been based on the notability of the track(s) on the album that they produced or that it was co-produced with someone else? As far as I am aware, never. I grieve in stereo (talk) 22:02, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Big Brother (Albania) to Category:Big Brother (Albanian TV series) – C2D: To match Big Brother (Albanian TV series). Gonnym (talk) 08:20, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Big Brother (Albania) seasons to Category:Big Brother (Albanian TV series) seasons
- @Gonnym: Oppose for now - I do not think C2D applies as the main article was moved a week ago, seemingly without discussion, and the move reverses the result of an earlier move discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 16:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Big Brother (Albania) seasons to Category:Big Brother (Albanian TV series) seasons
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Australia to Category:Somali emigrants to Australia per parent category (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 19#Category:Somalian emigrants) --DannyS712 (talk) 00:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Austria to Category:Somali emigrants to Austria
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Belgium to Category:Somali emigrants to Belgium
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Canada to Category:Somali emigrants to Canada
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Denmark to Category:Somali emigrants to Denmark
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Finland to Category:Somali emigrants to Finland
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Ireland to Category:Somali emigrants to Ireland
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Italy to Category:Somali emigrants to Italy
- Category:Somalian emigrants to the Netherlands to Category:Somali emigrants to the Netherlands
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Norway to Category:Somali emigrants to Norway
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Pakistan to Category:Somali emigrants to Pakistan
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Poland to Category:Somali emigrants to Poland
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Sweden to Category:Somali emigrants to Sweden
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Switzerland to Category:Somali emigrants to Switzerland
- Category:Somalian emigrants to Uganda to Category:Somali emigrants to Uganda
- Category:Somalian emigrants to the United Kingdom to Category:Somali emigrants to the United Kingdom
- Category:Somalian emigrants to the United States to Category:Somali emigrants to the United States
- @DannyS712: Oppose for now, and we may need to revisit the CfD discussion that renamed 'Somalian' to 'Somali', since it erased any distinction between the nationality and the ethnicity and also ignored the separate existence of Category:Somalian people and Category:Somali people. While 'Somali' is the demonym for someone from Somalia, it also refers to the Somali ethnic group, which accounts for only 85% of the population of Somalia—i.e., 15 percent of Somali nationals are not ethnic Somalis. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:13, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Celebrity Big Brother (UK) seasons to Category:Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) seasons – C2B: per Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series). Armbrust The Homunculus 08:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose As User:Mr_Hall_of_England pointed out on the 2nd January 2018, before it was stupidly reverted by a British admin from the bubble that is London who doesn't seem to know what language we use in the UK, we don't use the word "seasons" when referring to TV shows, or any other type of show. We use "series for everything" just like the articles for each individual "series" clearly show. Therefore it should be named Category:Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series Danstarr69 (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Seeing how the current category is already using "seasons" your opposition is in bad faith here as the proposal has nothing to do with it, but with fixing an issue with the use of "UK" which does not match the article disambiguation. If you want to change it to "series", then start a discussion for it, as was possible also in 2018. --Gonnym (talk) 17:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose As User:Mr_Hall_of_England pointed out on the 2nd January 2018, before it was stupidly reverted by a British admin from the bubble that is London who doesn't seem to know what language we use in the UK, we don't use the word "seasons" when referring to TV shows, or any other type of show. We use "series for everything" just like the articles for each individual "series" clearly show. Therefore it should be named Category:Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) series Danstarr69 (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Big Brother (UK) seasons to Category:Big Brother (British TV series) seasons – C2B per Big Brother (British TV series)/Category:Big Brother (British TV series). Armbrust The Homunculus 08:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Again we don't use the word "seasons" when referring to TV shows, or any other type of show in the UK. We use "series for everything" just like the articles for each individual "series" clearly show. Therefore it should be named Category:Big Brother (British TV series) series
- Category:Transportation network companies of the United Kingdom to Category:Transport network companies of the United Kingdom – C2C: per Category:Transport companies of the United Kingdom (UK Eng). Oculi (talk) 00:18, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: C2C with Category:Transportation network companies, it has a meaning in transportation separate from a transport company ArmosNights (talk) 05:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Transportation network company actually redirects to Ridesharing company which suggests a wider rename. Oculi (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Transportation network companies is not a very good name for the category. I'd go with Oculi's proposal. It also avoids local usage issues with the term Transportation. Rathfelder (talk) 19:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support Oculi's proposal. Danstarr69 (talk) 23:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Transportation network companies is not a very good name for the category. I'd go with Oculi's proposal. It also avoids local usage issues with the term Transportation. Rathfelder (talk) 19:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Transportation network company actually redirects to Ridesharing company which suggests a wider rename. Oculi (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: C2C with Category:Transportation network companies, it has a meaning in transportation separate from a transport company ArmosNights (talk) 05:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Black (human racial classification) to Category:Black people – C2D & C2E Fa suisse (talk) 06:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: this converts the category from a topic category into a set category (see WP:Categorization#General conventions), and would likely fill it with an enormous amount of articles.
- Actually it would be a topic-set category, if I understand the convention properly. It will mainly include other large categories, as it already does (Category:African diaspora is probably the largest). Relatively developed subcategories already exist, such as Category:Lists of black people. In any case, Black race already redirects to Black people, and Black people needs a category, as "Black"-titled articles and (small) categories have up to now been categorised under "African" categories and spread around. Time to order things a bit ! Fa suisse (talk) 07:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Category:Black people was deleted at cfd in 2006 and again at cfd in 2007. Oculi (talk) 11:03, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- I haven't mentioned it yet but there already exists a category:Black British people. Also, we have Category:Lists of black people, Category:Anti-black racism, Category:Black people in art, Category:Black political parties, and Category:Anti-black racism. There is a corresponding article, Black people. I understand that this was discussed back in 2006 and 2007, but as you can see more than a few other categories have emerged under the same concept of "black people". It would seem pretty incoherent to me not to have a dedicated category for this concept, which has, again, a long dedicated article. Fa suisse (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Category:Black people was deleted at cfd in 2006 and again at cfd in 2007. Oculi (talk) 11:03, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually it would be a topic-set category, if I understand the convention properly. It will mainly include other large categories, as it already does (Category:African diaspora is probably the largest). Relatively developed subcategories already exist, such as Category:Lists of black people. In any case, Black race already redirects to Black people, and Black people needs a category, as "Black"-titled articles and (small) categories have up to now been categorised under "African" categories and spread around. Time to order things a bit ! Fa suisse (talk) 07:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose: this converts the category from a topic category into a set category (see WP:Categorization#General conventions), and would likely fill it with an enormous amount of articles.
- Black British is an official term. Oculi (talk) 11:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support I've had many arguments with Americans about subjects like this on Quora. Americans insist on using Americanisms for everything, even when the rest of the English speaking world are in the majority. They label every topic/category/article about Black people to African Americans, so when you request to change them to things like Black people, Black culture, Black music etc you're fighting an uphill battle, as they seem to think the word Black is racist. I've even heard Americans refer to Black British people as British African Americans countless times, and they've even referred to people from countries in Africa as African Americans a few times too. Danstarr69 (talk) 23:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Buddhist holy sites to Category:Buddhist holy places – C2C: Consistency with established category tree names. I can see how a couple of these might be controversial to some, but I'd rather put it out here and see if there's any strong opinion otherwise. --Invokingvajras(talk) 23:51, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Not a good idea imo, and should certainly not be speedied. As withy others below, the majority of the many sub-cats use "sites". Johnbod (talk) 05:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Bahá'í holy sites to Category:Bahá'í holy places
- Category:Religious places of the indigenous peoples of North America to Category:Native American holy places
- Strong oppose: "Indigenous peoples of North America" is not equal to "Native American". Native American specifically only refers to indigenous people in the United States. It may be inconvenient, but there is no good catch-all term that is shorter than Indigenous peoples of the Americas, hence why we have an article with that title. ArmosNights (talk) 12:00, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Sacred sites in traditional African religions to Category:Traditional African holy places
- Category:Buddhist caves to Category:Buddhist cave temples – C2C: Consistency with established category tree names. Namely, drawing from the use of Category:Hindu cave temples and categories found in Category:Sacred caves. --Invokingvajras(talk) 21:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose Most of these are not caves, & many are not "temples". No way this should be speedied. Johnbod (talk) 05:36, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Many of these are not temples, but retreats.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Bash at the Beach to Category:WCW Bash at the Beach – C2C: The main page was recently moved to differentiate from AEW Bash at the Beach, and the category should move with it. Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 18:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Not opposing, but the article was moved on 18 November 2019, seemingly without accompanying discussion. While I am not questioning the move itself, it is too soon for C2D and a full discussion is probably warranted. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- A discussion was held on the wikiproject at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#Bash_at_the_Beach_2020 about the topic prior to the move - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 12:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- At that discussion you suggested renaming the article, but nobody else commented on it. That's far off the explicit consensus needed for C2D, so oppose speedy. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:22, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- A discussion was held on the wikiproject at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#Bash_at_the_Beach_2020 about the topic prior to the move - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 12:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Not opposing, but the article was moved on 18 November 2019, seemingly without accompanying discussion. While I am not questioning the move itself, it is too soon for C2D and a full discussion is probably warranted. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:49, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:University of Hanover to Category:Leibniz University Hannover – C2D: per Leibniz University Hannover. --Fippe (talk) 12:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:University of Hanover alumni to Category:Leibniz University Hannover alumni
- Category:University of Hanover faculty to Category:Leibniz University Hannover faculty
- Oppose speedy Main article was unilaterally moved recently and then debated on User talk:Fippe. TSventon (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Said discussion resulted in unanimous support for the new name. --Fippe (talk) 06:09, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Two editors opposed the move and you supported it, so support was not unanimous. TSventon (talk) 07:08, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- That was indeed the case initially, but the opposition dropped, which can be gathered from the discussion you linked. --Fippe (talk) 09:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- The discussion shows that the move was not uncontroversial so C2D does not apply and a full discussion is needed. TSventon (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- I am sure you are aware that C2D still applies for a page which was moved "unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations". (The citation in question is "Informationen für die Leibniz Universität Hannover, Ausgabe Juni 2018" (PDF). uni-hannover.de. Leibniz University Hannover. Retrieved 2019-11-05.
Gleichzeitig gibt es mit „Leibniz University Hannover“ nun auch eine offizielle Übersetzung für die Kurzform des Universitätsnamens. Weitere Einzelheiten regelt das Rundschreiben 22/2018
.) C2D also states "If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply" - note the present tense. The page name may have been controversial in the past, but that is not the case currently. --Fippe (talk) 13:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- I am sure you are aware that C2D still applies for a page which was moved "unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations". (The citation in question is "Informationen für die Leibniz Universität Hannover, Ausgabe Juni 2018" (PDF). uni-hannover.de. Leibniz University Hannover. Retrieved 2019-11-05.
- The discussion shows that the move was not uncontroversial so C2D does not apply and a full discussion is needed. TSventon (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- That was indeed the case initially, but the opposition dropped, which can be gathered from the discussion you linked. --Fippe (talk) 09:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Two editors opposed the move and you supported it, so support was not unanimous. TSventon (talk) 07:08, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Said discussion resulted in unanimous support for the new name. --Fippe (talk) 06:09, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Fippe: I agree with @Bermicourt: and @Gerda Arendt: that the article should not have been moved without discussion so I have submitted a technical request to reverse the move. TSventon (talk) 07:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Main article was unilaterally moved recently and then debated on User talk:Fippe. TSventon (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming the categories. The name is new, and very few would actually fit in the overly precise cats. Perhaps we should look very generally at the article names of universities, some changing often, while "university of a city" is more stable. - Our article is Max Reger, not his formal long official birth name, for example. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Leibniz University Hannover has been moved back to University of Hanover per the filed technical request. -- /Alex/21 15:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment @Fippe: if you submit a move request for the article then these speedy requests can be held until the discussion is concluded. TSventon (talk) 09:55, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Jain phrases to Category:Jain terminology – C2C: Consistency with established category tree names. --Invokingvajras(talk) 05:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose move to "terminology", as the articles are not about terminology. No objection to "Jain words and phrases". I suggest that it is time for another CFD about the siblings for some other religions that currently use "terminology". – Fayenatic London 20:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Seems like it fits pretty well with the other religious term categories. Would you suggest that Category:Religious terminology be renamed to Category:Religious words and phrases?-- Invokingvajras(talk) 22:08, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose move to "terminology", as the articles are not about terminology. No objection to "Jain words and phrases". I suggest that it is time for another CFD about the siblings for some other religions that currently use "terminology". – Fayenatic London 20:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Fictional male deities to Category:Fictional gods – C2C: Consistency with established category tree names. Note that Category:Fictional gods was previously created and redirected to Category:Fictional deities. --Invokingvajras(talk) 20:30, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The main article for the category is God (male deity). Armbrust The Homunculus 17:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The naming convention for splitting male and female deity categories is "god" and "goddess" respectively. So by Wikipedia standards "male deity" is synonymous with "god" and using the latter would make the space much cleaner and easier for users to maneuver. -- Invokingvajras(talk) 21:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Kaizu, Gifu to Category:Kaizu – Make in line with established article name. Gryffindor (talk) 22:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Kitanagoya, Aichi to Category:Kitanagoya – Make in line with article name. Gryffindor (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Anjō, Aichi to Category:Anjō
- Category:Aisai, Aichi to Category:Aisai
- Category:Chiryū, Aichi to Category:Chiryū
- Category:Gamagōri, Aichi to Category:Gamagōri
- Category:Hekinan, Aichi to Category:Hekinan
- Category:Kiyosu, Aichi to Category:Kiyosu
- @Gryffindor: Could you please tag the categories as described above?--Ymblanter (talk) 08:08, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- And, in view of the opposition below, they probably should go via CfD anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- The Aichi city categories were tagged by Gryffindor on 10 November, but on the talk pages, which are less likely to be seen; I have moved the tags to the category pages today. – Fayenatic London 10:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Inuyama, Aichi to Category:Inuyama – Make category name in sync with article name. Gryffindor (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- I only tagged it for move now.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy Please consider that all the other categories included in Category:Cities in Aichi Prefecture are as well named Category:City, Aichi if we change this category should me not as well change all te others as well? For this reason I Oppose to speedy renaming and suggest to follow the normal procedure. --Robby (talk) 16:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Armbrust but its already been moved and maybe should be reverted. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't notice the comments here, I just checked the talk pages before making the move (there were no comments there). No objections to it being moved back, the main thing for me is that we should only have one category for this rather than two! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I reverted the move, so it's now back at Category:Inuyama, Aichi. After that I realised that there was some deleted page history at Category:Inuyama, Aichi, which I undeleted. For the record:
- Gryffindor created Category:Inuyama in 2017.
- MChew created Category:Inuyama, Aichi on 19 Oct 2019.
- Robby merged the contents [1] and redirected the old category later that day.
- Gryffindor nominated the new category for merger back to the old name.
- Mike Peel deleted the old category page and moved the new one over it on 9 Nov.
- I reverted Mike's actions today.
- @Mike Peel: thanks for acknowledging that you should have checked incoming links for current discussions. Even if the move had been correct, it would have been better to merge the page histories (by undeleting it after your move, see WP:CUTPASTE), or simply to redirect the new category page rather than move it over the old one; either way, the original history would then have been visible. – Fayenatic London 10:25, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Also note User_talk:MChew#Duplicate? that never got a reply. I thought I had restored the original history, sorry also for that! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I reverted the move, so it's now back at Category:Inuyama, Aichi. After that I realised that there was some deleted page history at Category:Inuyama, Aichi, which I undeleted. For the record:
- Sorry, I didn't notice the comments here, I just checked the talk pages before making the move (there were no comments there). No objections to it being moved back, the main thing for me is that we should only have one category for this rather than two! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Feminism and transgender to Category:Feminist views on transgender topics — C2D. The main article was moved without discussion in September, but was promptly moved back with no objection and has remained there since. Nblund talk 20:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy The scope of the "feminist views" article is narrower than the "Feminism and transgender" category. (I would support returning the category to its original "Feminism and transgender topics": I recall that the "topics" was removed at some point as unnecessary, but the current noun-and-adjective combo is awkward.) Cheers, gnu57 20:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Hyderabad, India to Category:Hyderabad – See talk page. Gryffindor (talk) 21:15, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy C2D doesn't apply if the target name is ambiguous, and Hyderabad is. See also this related CFD. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:36, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- I only tagged it for move now.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Armbrust, also note that Category:Hyderabad is a DAB listing 2 full matches and a total of 6. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Thessaloniki during Axis occupation to Category:Thessaloniki during the German occupation of Greece – C2A (missing definite article) and correctness: Thessaloniki was exclusively under German occupation. Constantine ✍ 22:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose German occupation of Greece redirects to Axis occupation of Greece. Also correctness isn't a speedy criterion. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Encyclopedias of art to Category:Encyclopedias of the arts – C2C: To match Books about the arts Rathfelder (talk) 07:56, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Rathfelder Comment This should be renamed to Category:Encyclopedias about the arts to match Category:Works about the arts, Category:Books about the arts and Category:Films about the arts. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - 'art' and 'the arts' are different things. (Should be 'of' per contents and convention in Category:Specialized encyclopedias). Oculi (talk) 00:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in Hollywood, California to
Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in HollywoodCategory:Cinemas and movie theatres in Hollywood – C2C/C2D per main article and category tree. HandsomeFella (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2019 (UTC)- Category:Theatres in Hollywood, California to Category:Theatres in Hollywood
- Category:People from Hollywood, Los Angeles to Category:People from Hollywood
- Category:Actors from Hollywood, Los Angeles to Category:Actors from Hollywood
- Category:Actresses from Hollywood, Los Angeles to Category:Actresses from Hollywood
- Category:Male actors from Hollywood, Los Angeles to Category:Male actors from Hollywood
- Oppose speedy this set as Category:People from Hollywood is a disambiguation page; there is also Category:People from Hollywood, Florida. – Fayenatic London 07:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: 1) That ambiguity would apply for all Hollywood-related categories, wouldn't it? Yet is isn't, so why specifically the "People from " category? 2) It's easily mitigated with a "See also ... ". 3. Editors – indeed most people – who are about to categorize people as being from Hollywood, Florida, are acutely aware that there is another Hollywood, don't you think? HandsomeFella (talk) 11:18, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I was opposing all the Hollywood nominations, not only the people ones. C2C and C2D explicitly do not apply where there is ambiguity. I note that there is a longstanding parent Category:Hollywood; nevertheless, a full CFD is required. – Fayenatic London 10:19, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
- Comment: 1) That ambiguity would apply for all Hollywood-related categories, wouldn't it? Yet is isn't, so why specifically the "People from " category? 2) It's easily mitigated with a "See also ... ". 3. Editors – indeed most people – who are about to categorize people as being from Hollywood, Florida, are acutely aware that there is another Hollywood, don't you think? HandsomeFella (talk) 11:18, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy this set as Category:People from Hollywood is a disambiguation page; there is also Category:People from Hollywood, Florida. – Fayenatic London 07:43, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
- Re "Cinemas and movie theaters in Hollywood, California" the usual (American) spelling is "theatre" not theater" Hugo999 (talk) 10:43, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
- Fixed. Thanks. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- That now disagrees with Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in Los Angeles, Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in the United States and Movie theater. Oculi (talk) 17:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- It follows the parent category Category:Theatres in the United States and subcategories. Hugo999 (talk) 21:35, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- That now disagrees with Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in Los Angeles, Category:Cinemas and movie theaters in the United States and Movie theater. Oculi (talk) 17:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
- @HandsomeFella: will you be making a full nomination for these? Would you like any help? – Fayenatic London 20:45, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, I forgot about these. Thanks, can I do it over the weekend? HandsomeFella (talk) 22:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:History of Greek Antiquity by period to Category:History of ancient Greece by period – C2D/C2C per ancient Greece, Category:Ancient Greece Brandmeistertalk 10:02, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure if this is speedy-able, but suggest alt. Category:Ancient Greece by period, to match Category:Ancient Rome by period. "History of" seems redundant when referring to ancient Greece. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon: It follows Category:Former countries by period where the format is History of Foo by period. Brandmeistertalk 09:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- In view of this, I think the nomination can not proceed as speedy.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Moving to 'On hold' pending the related CfD discussion. While this category need not automatically follow whatever is decided there, we should probably hold off doing anything until that discussion closes. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:00, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- In view of this, I think the nomination can not proceed as speedy.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon: It follows Category:Former countries by period where the format is History of Foo by period. Brandmeistertalk 09:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Not sure if this is speedy-able, but suggest alt. Category:Ancient Greece by period, to match Category:Ancient Rome by period. "History of" seems redundant when referring to ancient Greece. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Greek Antiquity in art and culture to Category:Ancient Greece in popular culture – C2D/C2C per ancient Greece, Category:Ancient Greece and Category:Places in popular culture. Brandmeistertalk 09:50, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the label "popular culture" is not supported by the category's contents, plus the category is also a member of Category:Classical antiquity in modern art and culture. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon: Then perhaps Category:Ancient Greece in modern art and culture. Brandmeistertalk 09:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- In view of this, I think the nomination can not proceed as speedy.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Moving to 'On hold' pending the related CfD discussion. While this category need not automatically follow whatever is decided there, we should probably hold off doing anything until that discussion closes. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:00, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
- In view of this, I think the nomination can not proceed as speedy.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:58, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon: Then perhaps Category:Ancient Greece in modern art and culture. Brandmeistertalk 09:07, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the label "popular culture" is not supported by the category's contents, plus the category is also a member of Category:Classical antiquity in modern art and culture. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Polish history websites to Category:History websites of Poland – C2E. Rathfelder (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as inconsistent with Category:Polish websites (convention of Category:Websites by country). In addition, "of Poland" implies these are state-owned websites, which they are not. The other History websites of Foo categories in Category:History websites should be renamed to follow the Fooian websites convention, until/unless that convention as a whole is changed. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- The point is that they are websites based in Foo. Not necessarily concerned with the history of Foo. Rathfelder (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- That's a reasonable argument to make at a full CfD, but the fact is there are two competing conventions here: Fooian websites and Websites of Foo, and the former is much more common than the latter. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- The point is that they are websites based in Foo. Not necessarily concerned with the history of Foo. Rathfelder (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
- Moved this to a full CfD. Rathfelder (talk) 20:33, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
- Link to discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:43, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
- It was relisted at CFD 2019 Dec 8. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:42, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose as inconsistent with Category:Polish websites (convention of Category:Websites by country). In addition, "of Poland" implies these are state-owned websites, which they are not. The other History websites of Foo categories in Category:History websites should be renamed to follow the Fooian websites convention, until/unless that convention as a whole is changed. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Wydad AC footballers to Category:Wydad AC players – C2C, match naming convention of parent category (Category:Footballers in Morocco by club). GiantSnowman 09:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC) GiantSnowman 09:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Wydad AC is a multi-sport club. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:02, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
- Support. Armbrust is right about Wydad AC being a multi-sport club, but still as GiantSnowman said the club article is discussing the football team only, similar to most other African and Arab multi-sport clubs as their football teams are usually the most notable. We have Category:Al Ahly SC players for example; Al Ahly is a multi-sport club in Egypt but the article Al Ahly SC is discussing the football team only, so it's okay to use players instead of footballers in cases like this one. Ben5218 (talk) 19:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Now at full discussion. – Fayenatic London 09:53, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- It was relisted at CFD 2019 Nov 10. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:19, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the first Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 1st Congress of Deputies – C2D (Congress of Deputies), C2C.--Obi2canibe (talk) 18:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the second Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 2nd Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the third Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 3rd Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the fourth Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 4th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the fifth Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 5th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the sixth Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 6th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the seventh Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 7th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the eighth Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 8th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the ninth Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 9th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the 10th Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 10th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the 11th Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 11th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the 12th Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 12th Congress of Deputies
- Category:Members of the 13th Congress of Deputies (Spain) to Category:Members of the 13th Congress of Deputies
- Oppose for this batch the removal of "(Spain)", but support establishing consistency in numbering. Despite the (recent) renaming of article Congress of Deputies and out-of-process renaming of Category:Congress of Deputies and Category:Members of the Congress of Deputies, the term is not exclusive to the current Spanish legislature. Other legislatures have or had similar names, such as the Congress of People's Deputies of the Soviet Union, its successor Congress of People's Deputies of Russia, the unicameral legislature of the Second Spanish Republic (see Cortes republicanas ), an alternative name for the Legislative Assembly of Costa Rica and several other unicameral legislatures called Congreso and whose members are called Diputados (Guatemala, Honduras). Place Clichy (talk) 12:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- There may be other bodies that are known as Congress of Deputies but I think, based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the Spanish Congress of Deputies is the primary topic and does not need any parenthetical disambiguation. Therefore the question is whether categories should follow the primary topic. There is inconsistency in the examples given in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC but there are examples where categories follow the primary topic and don't have parenthetical disambiguation e.g. Boston and Category:Boston; Java and Category:Java. In these examples the categories have hat notes at the top to help readers and this can be done with these categories.--Obi2canibe (talk) 20:39, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- Boston and Java are immediately understood for what they mean. "Congress of Deputies" would not be so widely understood to immediately refer to the current Spanish lower house if you are not a Spaniard or familiar with Spanish politics. This use may be more notable that other similarily named legislatures, and therefore not have any parenthetical disambiguation in the article realm, but I think that keeping the mention in categories is helpful. Translation also plays a role here, as spanish Congreso de los Diputados may be translated otherwise, and other legislative bodies with name in other languages may be translated to a similar result. See for instance how this recent BBC newspiece refers to "Spain's 350-seat parliament" while El País English edition [2] most often just uses "Congress". Euronews says either "parliament" or "lower house of parliament". This Guardian article uses either "Spanish parliament" or "congress, the lower house of parliament". Anyway, I think that this is not eligible to speedy and that the various categories should be brought to WP:CfD in order to restore consistency. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- There may be other bodies that are known as Congress of Deputies but I think, based on WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, the Spanish Congress of Deputies is the primary topic and does not need any parenthetical disambiguation. Therefore the question is whether categories should follow the primary topic. There is inconsistency in the examples given in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC but there are examples where categories follow the primary topic and don't have parenthetical disambiguation e.g. Boston and Category:Boston; Java and Category:Java. In these examples the categories have hat notes at the top to help readers and this can be done with these categories.--Obi2canibe (talk) 20:39, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
- I have started a full discussion here. The speedy nomination can be closed.--Obi2canibe (talk) 16:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2019 Oct 11. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for this batch the removal of "(Spain)", but support establishing consistency in numbering. Despite the (recent) renaming of article Congress of Deputies and out-of-process renaming of Category:Congress of Deputies and Category:Members of the Congress of Deputies, the term is not exclusive to the current Spanish legislature. Other legislatures have or had similar names, such as the Congress of People's Deputies of the Soviet Union, its successor Congress of People's Deputies of Russia, the unicameral legislature of the Second Spanish Republic (see Cortes republicanas ), an alternative name for the Legislative Assembly of Costa Rica and several other unicameral legislatures called Congreso and whose members are called Diputados (Guatemala, Honduras). Place Clichy (talk) 12:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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