Lock
Could an administrator please add the Fully Protected lock topicon to the User:Jimmy Wales and User Talk:Jimmy Wales pages? Thanks Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Goveganplease:Is it an joke on April Fools' Day?--CopperSulfate (talk) 13:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
No, you are misunderstanding me. I don't want his actual userpage protected. Both the redirects User:Jimmy Wales and User talk:Jimmy Wales are fully protected so only admins can edit them. I want the lock added to those redirects please. Thanks :) :) Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 13:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Let me quote: "On redirect pages, use the Redirect category shell template, which automatically categorizes by protection level, below the redirect line. A protection template may also be added below the redirect line, but it will only serve to categorize the page, as it will not be visible on the page, and it will have to be manually removed when protection is removed. Lectonar (talk) 13:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the response user:Lectonar but why is it that I am able to see the gold-colored lock up in the top corner of fully-protected pages and redirects that I am not able to edit? Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 15:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Goveganplease, This is a hard redirect, the padlock would serve no purpose because nobody would be around to see it unless they explicitly went back to view the actual text of the redirect. Kb03 (talk) 16:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Kb03:I know, but many fully protected redirects do have the padlock added to them. I just felt it would be a nice touch is all. Goveganfortheanimals (talk) 17:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
- Done I have added {{redirect category shell}} to both these pages — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:02, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Deep Fakes
As one of the largest sources of free images, should we be concerned by this?
The Newest AI-Enabled Weapon: ‘Deep-Faking’ Photos of the Earth
It would be interesting to see if our developers could come up with a countermeasure. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:12, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- I've been looking into DeepFakes recently as part of my ongoing concern about the quality of information we are being given. As an example of a case where I had initial concern (but I think confirmation has been gotten via traditional means) there was a viral video circulating this morning in the UK of soldiers doing target practice... the camera pans around to show that they are shooting at a photo of the leader of the opposition, Jeremy Corbyn. People were quite rightly upset about it but when I watched the video it looked to me like something quite easy to fake without even using the super advanced deepfake techniques.
- Here's what I have learned. The most advanced researchers are still able to quite easily identify fakes. There's a bit of an arms race between deep fakers and researchers detecting them. I don't know of any principled reason to think that the researchers will always be one step ahead. It may be possible to create deep fakes that are virtually impossible to detect.
- I doubt very much that our developers can help with that - it's a super advanced / specialized and rapidly moving field.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
- There's an ongoing war between critical thinking and trickery. "Consider the source" is getting even more important at the same time as truly, consistently reliable sources appear to be shrinking in number. But there is an increase in political energy over the past decade which may contribute to more cerebral discourse among friends, family and colleagues which might exercise our minds enough for them to be more discerning and aware of the tidal wave of trickery washing over us of the type Jimbo mentions, or worse. Nocturnalnow (talk) 21:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- I think its a good idea and soon. Nocturnalnow (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- There's an ongoing war between critical thinking and trickery. "Consider the source" is getting even more important at the same time as truly, consistently reliable sources appear to be shrinking in number. But there is an increase in political energy over the past decade which may contribute to more cerebral discourse among friends, family and colleagues which might exercise our minds enough for them to be more discerning and aware of the tidal wave of trickery washing over us of the type Jimbo mentions, or worse. Nocturnalnow (talk) 21:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- We wouldn't have to worry about deep fakes if Wikipedia acquired good quality satellite imagery now or sooner from a trusted source with a digitally signed secure link to their satellites, then uploaded a few checksums for all the free satellite images here to the blockchain. (I mean, a checksum of checksums would be just a few bytes) That wouldn't help against video fakery in the larger sense (shooting at Corbin, though that doesn't sound faked) but it would certainly help to hinder the jackals of the post-truth generation from unwriting the Map of the World. Wnt (talk) 16:08, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- People making deep fakes don't care about copyright so will just use google images. In any case the only things or people we have enough photos of to make a deep fake viable are either things or people with large numbers of photos elsewhere (eiffel tower, US presidents) or people with longstanding involvement with the project who the people making deep fakes are unlikely to be interested in. If you mean people making deep fakes targeting us then good old fashioned Photoshop does the job just fine.©Geni (talk) 16:58, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- This thread was specifically about fakes of satellite photos of Earth. This is a very narrow topic and we can help put a solid historical record on file right now that will severely limit any future legerdemain. Obviously militaries can and have disrupted commercial databases for tactical purposes, and they certainly can pull a "nope, no new torture camp here, same woods as always" after our map is published and signed (for which they would need no new AI programs!) but we can make it impractical for them to mess with the map itself. Wnt (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- I think its a good idea and that it should be done soon. Nocturnalnow (talk) 18:49, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
- This thread was specifically about fakes of satellite photos of Earth. This is a very narrow topic and we can help put a solid historical record on file right now that will severely limit any future legerdemain. Obviously militaries can and have disrupted commercial databases for tactical purposes, and they certainly can pull a "nope, no new torture camp here, same woods as always" after our map is published and signed (for which they would need no new AI programs!) but we can make it impractical for them to mess with the map itself. Wnt (talk) 17:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe its a good thing because people in general might become more skeptical of all information and less likely to accept government propaganda, other fake news, and commercial marketing claims as being true. Nocturnalnow (talk) 23:35, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
An accretion disk glare for you!
Thank you from the flat accretion disk society | |
Dear Mr. Wales, from time immemorial, we have been chastised, bullied, scorned, shunned, excised, enjoined, discombobulated, sanctioned, alleged, and misconducted because of our beliefs about the duo-dimensionality of ordinary accretion disks into which three dimensional gravitational vortices fall. We understand that you have been having difficulty with "flat Earthers" and ask that you please send them our way. EllenCT (talk) 12:16, 9 April 2019 (UTC) |
Could you help me help Assange?
Jimbo, could you please try to get this info to Assange's lawyer?
In the CNN interview linked to here, at the 1 minute 8 second mark, Senator Hatch says;
"you can make anything a crime under the current laws, if you want to, you can blow it out of proportion, you can do a lot of things."
A Canadian lawyer told me that Magna Carta rights and British law should prevent Britain, in keeping with her commitment to the principles of fundamental justice, from extraditing anyone to any country where "you can make anything a crime". It would be no different from extraditing someone to North Korea.
I tried unsuccessfully to reach Jennifer Robinson, his lawyer, so I'm hoping you have some contacts who could get this video in her hands. Nocturnalnow (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)