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Change the definition
This should be changed,"Abortion is the ending of pregnancy due to removing an embryo or fetus before it can survive outside the uterus." Children have survived as early as 5 months of age. In the Unites States abortion can be committed up until the day before birth. There was actually a "partial Birth Abortion", where they pulled the baby out but left the head in and snapped the spine to murder the baby. George Bush made this illegal. So the reality is, abortion is ending the life of a baby/fetus at anytime during pregnancy. If you insist on having this language in there, then it should say "In the USA babies can be aborted up until the last day of pregnancy". Everything I just said is common knowledge. But perhaps not for the world at large, in that case I can provide citations for anything. thanks. Disciple4lif (talk) 22:17, 13 September 2018 (UTC)Disciple4lif
- Not done. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 04:15, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- WP:RS, please. —PaleoNeonate – 09:36, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Disciple4lif, there are many problems with your suggested edit. Please review prior discussion of the definition, which was written through an extensive debate process. Triacylglyceride (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Abortion in Venezuela
Hi all, I am a college student currently working on the article "Abortion in Venezuela." Please feel free to let me know of any revisions or additions I should consider making. I would greatly appreciate input on how to make the article better. Thanks! Natsz72 (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Proposed merge with Feticide
This does not appear largely different than abortion, it may in fact just be synonymous(since one cannot occur without the other). For destruction of children which have been born, that would be infanticide, so this can only be pertinent to the period between conception and birth. Ethanpet113 (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- No merge Yup it is different per Feticide#Use_during_legal_abortion Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:55, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- No merge they are not synonymous, and feticide can occur without induced abortion (for example, in a selective termination of one of a pair of twins). Triacylglyceride (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- No merge I agree that a merge would not be appropriate. Gandydancer (talk) 23:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- I've removed the merge template from both articles, no consensus to do this merge. Ostrichyearning3 (talk) 20:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello my friends — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.170.90.130 (talk) 18:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Wording of argument on reproductive rights
How should the sentence in the lead about reproductive-rights based arguments for the legality of abortion be worded?
The original wording is as follows: Those who favor the legality of abortion often hold that a woman has a right to make decisions about her own body.
Previously, I edited the lead to say: Those who favor the legality of abortion often argue on reproductive rights grounds.
User:Doc James partially restored the original wording, but kept the verb "argue" instead of restoring "hold".
Since this is a controversial topic, I suggest that we try to obtain consensus. User:Doc James's edit comment states "simplified"; I understand why the user might see the original wording as simpler, as the original wording explains what "reproductive rights" means. However, I believe the original wording may have potential NPOV pitfalls, as it could be interpreted to imply that anti-abortion activists believe women never have the right to make decisions about their own bodies (although it is clearly not the intention of the sentence), a negative association. The use of "women" could also be questioned (intersex and transgender individuals can also become pregnant), but it's a far smaller problem because the MOS permits the use of gendered nouns for situations where the vast majority of people involved are a certain gender.
My proposed wording also has potential NPOV issues, as it does not state specifically what argument abortion-rights activists are making on reproductive rights grounds, while the original wording does. --Leugen9001 (talk) 21:04, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Non-exhaustive list of possible alternative wordings:
Those who favor the legality of abortion often argue that legal abortion facilitates women's reproductive rights.
Those who favor the legality of abortion often argue that banning abortion violates women's reproductive rights.
Those who favor the legality of abortion often argue that legal abortion facilitates reproductive rights.
Those who favor the legality of abortion often argue that banning abortion violates reproductive rights.
Those who favor the legality of abortion often hold that it is part of a woman's right to make decisions about her own body.
--Leugen9001 (talk) 21:09, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
- The meaning of reproductive rights is not well known and we should try to use terminology that is better understood per WP:MEDMOS. The question is how do we explain what "reproductive rights" are. The concerns about people reading things into Wikipedia which we do not say is not a serious concern IMO. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:16, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Sex selective abortion
Hi, I noticed that the ref for sex-selective abortion was removed... here's an alternate: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352552518300938 204.136.186.144 (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Source removed
In this edit a source was removed a the second time from a paragraph marked with at least one sourcing issue (a "fail verification" tag) by Alexbrn (talk · contribs), citing "removed soapy". Removing sources from poorly sourced controversial content is inappropriate. JzG (talk · contribs), the original editor, did remove the entire poorly source paragraph along with this edit. Genericusername57 (talk · contribs) then reverted the edit here.
Please discuss here whether the paragraph is appropriate for the article. –Zfish118⋉talk 04:17, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, Zfish118, I checked the source marked "failed verification" and found that the url and doi led to different documents: the doi corresponded to the main article on sex-selective abortion and female infanticide, but the url went to someone else's follow-up comments about hepatitis, with little relevance to abortion. So I found a link to an accessible version of the main article and reinserted the ref; I assumed it had been flagged and removed by people looking at the wrong link.
- I didn't reinsert the ref called "remove soapy": that one was about a purported link between naziism and the promotion of abortion; I agree that it was not a good source for "race-selection" as a societal factor. (Other than forced abortion of ethnic minorities, I haven't found any discussion of "race-selective abortion" in high-quality sources.)
- I think that some sort of societal-factor paragraph should be included, but that the reasons need to be sourced individually. The sources used in the personal section also list some of the reasons in the societal section, but the sources don't group the reasons into these two categories. I added a ref to support in general the notion that societal factors may influence or limit a woman's choices; I've been looking for individual refs to verify the reasons listed. Cheers, gnu57 06:04, 6 February 2019 (UTC)