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Contents
- 1 Correctable edit summaries after saving
- 2 Black background and green text gadget still malfunctioning - gadget CSS order
- 3 Fetch data from Wikidata
- 4 Problem with template lang-fa
- 5 List Generation
- 6 Tech News: 2016-46
- 7 Links in image captions on mobile
- 8 Watchlist redirect of mobile view
- 9 File:Grand Theft Auto logo series.svg
- 10 Allow summary gadgets hooks (interface message edit request)
- 11 Login and password reset
- 12 Blocked and unblock instructions do not work
- 13 Edit malfunctions
- 14 Add HTML5 autofocus attribute to improve Wikipedia search user experience
- 15 RfC to regularise spacing between paragraphs on talk pages
- 16 References section scrollbars
- 17 Can't log in on iPad
- 18 Technical feasibility of password audits
- 19 Emails not arriving
- 20 Jmol, JSmol in the wiki?
- 21 What is the parameter supposed to do?
- 22 Coloured characters in edit mode
- 23 Main Page mysteriously appearing in watchlist
- 24 Infobox coordinates conversion
- 25 Page Curation Toolbar not working for me
Correctable edit summaries after saving
Not 100% sure whether this was raised before, but I think it could be worthy to make edit summaries correctable after saving. There are several issues with this. First, obviously when you mistyped something your error becomes permanently and irreversibly logged (particularly during common tasks, like "wikilink" instead of "italics", etc). Secondly, at least Firefox by default uses auto-filling in edit summaries, so when you enter letter "w" for example, the browser may suggest "wikilink" or "wl" (I accidentally got this recently). Third, canned edit summaries probably may cause similar accidental errors on mobile devices. So overall such feature could be useful and handy, unless there are technical limitations. Brandmeistertalk 12:46, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- It's definitely been raised lots of times before. I think the main reason for opposition has generally been that we depend on the impossibility of changing an edit summary: if Cyphoidbomb would go back to the "Need assist with table formatting" section up above and replace "WP:ACCESSIBILITY" with "WP:CSD", people who know that comments can be edited could check the page history and see that the initial comment made sense (if someone else came in and said "Huh?" and then ACCESSIBILITY got put back, we'd be confused because it was a response to something that wasn't there), but because we know that edit summaries can't be changed, we can trust that his edit summary for that edit will always be visible as "R", so we can always ask "Why did you write 'R'" without risk of a change in what was written. Moreover, we'd want to log the changes to the edit summary if it were something that could always be changed: would we want an edit summary for edit-summary changes, or a page history for them? However, it's been proposed that an edit summary be changeable only immediately after the change is made, within a minute or two, and that idea lacks the problems that the other does. I can't understand why not to adopt it, so I'm guessing that it's just technical difficulties. Nyttend (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Probably won't be here... m:2015 Community Wishlist Survey/Miscellaneous#Technical user right to edit summaries and phab:T15937#2606108. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 17:54, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Black background and green text gadget still malfunctioning - gadget CSS order
The gadget to give green text on a black background is still malfunctioning. This was raised in this thread a month ago. Does anyone know of a fix or if anything is being done to create one? Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 13:30, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have been experimenting to get a working setup, and you can see the tweeks at User:Axl/monobook.css. The things to fix were colours of links, and visited links, the duplicated logo in the wrong spot, personal navigation and tools links, and article title. But it would be great to get the gadget working. From what I guess is the page it should be possible, but there should be some thought given to the colours of things. So if any user needs help with a hacked stylesheet to make this gadget workable, I can assist you. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:19, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, that is a vast improvement, especially getting rid of the intrusive logo. Still hoping for the gadget to be fixed tho'! DuncanHill (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Is this the stylesheet that the green on black gadget uses: MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css? The intrusive logo should get a better fix than just making it vanish for an official release. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Graeme Bartlett: Yes. Pppery 21:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- So the detail should be discussed at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Blackskin.css. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
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- I have raised this issue there, with links to this thread, the thread from a month ago, and phabricator. DuncanHill (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- As mentioned in this thread linked by the OP, the problem appers to be loading order after a MediaWiki change. MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css already works correctly (at least for me) when it's loaded with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)?useskin=monobook&withCSS=MediaWiki:Gadget-Blackskin.css. It fails when it's loaded via preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
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- So the detail should be discussed at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-Blackskin.css. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Graeme Bartlett: Yes. Pppery 21:37, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Oyveh. Try the night mode on the official Wikipedia android app. --Atlasowa (talk) 22:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Fetch data from Wikidata
Hello. I am trying to fetch data from Wikidata to Wikipedia, using a template. I have some problems with qualifiers and other things. Does anyone can help me? Xaris333 (talk) 10:58, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Xaris333: I think I can help; please elaborate on the problem. :) {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 21:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Nihiltres: Hello. I am using a Greek template. el:Πρότυπο:Κουτί πληροφοριών ποδοσφαιρικού συλλόγου (Template:Infobox football club). The first problem is about the stadium. I am using P115 from club's wikidata page. Its ok. But I also want P131 and P1083 from stadium's Wikidata page, not for club's Wikidata page. Xaris333 (talk) 22:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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- OK, so what you're really trying to do is basically a nested query: get the item of the stadium from P115, then get the value of P1083 from the stadium's item. As far as I know {{Wikidata}} doesn't offer a way to provide raw output and therefore be nested itself, but you could definitely do it in Lua, perhaps with something like this:
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--get current page's Wikidata entity local wde = mw.wikibase.getEntity() --get raw value of P115 local p115 = wde["claims"]["P115"][1]["mainsnak"]["datavalue"]["value"]["id"] --get Wikidata entity for venue. Note that this step counts as expensive. local venueEntity = mw.wikibase.getEntity(p115) --get capacity value for venue local capacity = venueEntity["claims"]["P1083"][1]["mainsnak"]["datavalue"]["value"]["amount"] --format the capacity value according to the local language rules local capacityString = mw.language.getContentLanguage():formatNum(tonumber(capacity))
- There's probably a more elegant way to do that, but that should work well enough for practical purposes; just output
capacityString
somewhere. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 22:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Problem with template lang-fa
There was a problem with template lang-fa at the article Ahmad Khomeini ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), which was subsequently fixed by HyperGaruda. My question is, can there be a global fix of this problem at the template level instead of patching it up at the article level? It seems ironic that the problem is generated due to the right-to-left writing of the Persian language, since the template is designed for that language. Dr. K. 22:22, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- I can't see any problems there with what the template displayed or any broken code, but then I can't read Persian either. Can you please explain what was the alleged problem with these edits? This edit by Mhhossein "(Persian: سد احمد خمینی) (14 March 1946 – 15 March 1995)" looks alright to me, except for the opposing pair of brackets ") (" with is undesirable in terms of style. But I don't see any problems with numerals as HyperGaruda mentioned in the edit summary. De728631 (talk) 22:37, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- Mhhossein's edit, on pop-up preview, appears as: {{lang-fa|سید احمد خمینی}}) (14 Notice the "14" of Khomeini's DOB has entered the lang-fa template. Similar irregularities appear on edit-mode. Dr. K. 22:49, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
{{lang-fa|سید احمد خمینی}}
generates:[[Persian language|Persian]]: <span lang="fa" dir="rtl" >سید احمد خمینی</span>‎‎
. Heredir="rtl"
marks text as right-to-left. Note the template adds two ‎ (left-to-right) markers after the text. I find it odd that HyperGaruda apparently had to add a third in [1]. My Firefox 49.0.2 had no display problems with the former version but such things can be browser dependent. Browsers can try to guess whether numbers and special characters should also be displayed right-to-left next to right-to-left text. We could add a third ‎ in {{Lang-fa}} and similar templates if that helps some browsers but three sounds a little excessive to me. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC)- Shouldn't the direction be reset with
</span>
anyway? But I'd agree that three lrm markers are a bit much. De728631 (talk) 23:27, 12 November 2016 (UTC)- RAS syndrome detected. (Left to right markers markers). Pppery 21:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) You're right PrimeHunter. I tried Mhhossein's diff on IE11 and it doesn't show the DOB number displacement. It only shows up on Chrome. Thank you. Btw, always nice to talking to you. :) Dr. K. 23:31, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
- If I'm correct, then the final view should be rendered correctly even without an additional lrm. The problem is probably limited to the editing window, where the template's native lrm characters are of course not present. --HyperGaruda (talk) 00:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the direction be reset with
- Mhhossein's edit, on pop-up preview, appears as: {{lang-fa|سید احمد خمینی}}) (14 Notice the "14" of Khomeini's DOB has entered the lang-fa template. Similar irregularities appear on edit-mode. Dr. K. 22:49, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
List Generation
Would it be possible to create a list of all Redirects created by User:Neelix which do not appear on this list [2], or almost equivalently, a list of redirects created by Neelix, and then subsequently edited by a different editor (including bots)? If both are practical, the former is preferable. The list should contain approximately 30,000 redirects. Thanks. Tazerdadog (talk) 08:37, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- I've put the second option on your talk page. Summary:
58689 new pages (created by Neelix) 48272 redirects (at creation) 28213 titles (have only Neelix as an editor)
- --Unready (talk) 20:04, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- After a brief skim, it appears one of us missed a logical operator. I'm looking for redirects that were created by neelix, and WERE subsequently edited by a non-neelix user. My quick skim suggests that you got the ones that were created by Neelix, and not subsequently edited. Sorry if I wasn't clear on this the first time around, and thank you for putting in the effort. Tazerdadog (talk) 23:34, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Updated.
- After a brief skim, it appears one of us missed a logical operator. I'm looking for redirects that were created by neelix, and WERE subsequently edited by a non-neelix user. My quick skim suggests that you got the ones that were created by Neelix, and not subsequently edited. Sorry if I wasn't clear on this the first time around, and thank you for putting in the effort. Tazerdadog (talk) 23:34, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
58689 new pages (created by Neelix) 48272 redirects (at creation) 20059 titles (have at least one other editor)
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- Thank you very much, this appears to be exactly what I need. Tazerdadog (talk) 05:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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Tech News: 2016-46
19:17, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Johan (WMF): "when there is no Ukrainian translation" - why is Ukrainian special? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:02, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: It's not, but it's changing from another language (Russian), which is why it was included. This could probably have been more clear. To be honest, I was on the fence whether to include it or not, given that it's less relevant for most Wikimedians. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 09:08, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- The fallback chain for Ukrainian is the only one that is changing. All the other fallback chains (e.g., Catalan to Spanish to English) remain the same. This will affect anyone who is reading or editing a page with
?uselang=uk
or?setlang=uk
. (But not very much, because >98% of the UI is already translated into Ukrainian. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)- It's just that the sentence "MediaWiki will now use English when there is no Ukrainian translation." doesn't have context - Ukrainian was not mentioned previously in the message, and I'm thinking "what does that have to do with the English Wikipedia?" --Redrose64 (talk) 10:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Tech News is for all of Wikimedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, so why not amplify the sentence with something like "if your language is Ukrainian, and the Russian fallback is not available, ..." It's all about not making us guess. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- The described patch (which I am not involved in) changes it so Russian will not affect localization when you are browsing in Ukrainian. It won't be part of the fallback chain. It will go straight to English if a Ukrainian translation isn't available. Mattflaschen-WMF (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, so why not amplify the sentence with something like "if your language is Ukrainian, and the Russian fallback is not available, ..." It's all about not making us guess. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Tech News is for all of Wikimedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:43, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- It's just that the sentence "MediaWiki will now use English when there is no Ukrainian translation." doesn't have context - Ukrainian was not mentioned previously in the message, and I'm thinking "what does that have to do with the English Wikipedia?" --Redrose64 (talk) 10:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- The fallback chain for Ukrainian is the only one that is changing. All the other fallback chains (e.g., Catalan to Spanish to English) remain the same. This will affect anyone who is reading or editing a page with
- @Redrose64: It's not, but it's changing from another language (Russian), which is why it was included. This could probably have been more clear. To be honest, I was on the fence whether to include it or not, given that it's less relevant for most Wikimedians. /Johan (WMF) (talk) 09:08, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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There seems to be a bug in the display of links in image captions. The first image above illustrates it at Lydian mode#Ancient Greek Lydian (current version). I thought it might have something to do with the CSS display
property, so I thought to force display: inline
by wrapping the entire caption in <span>...</span>
. I don't know how to inspect elements on this browser (Firefox for Android 49) so I don't know if this is actually the issue, but the hack certainly fixes the display, as shown in the second image. Hairy Dude (talk) 22:52, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
- Hmm, that maybe my mistake in trying to fix something with the mobile skin. I'll look at it later today when I get back from work. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Watchlist redirect of mobile view
One of the major reason I hate mobile view is that when the site decides to switch from the desktop view of special:watchlist to mobile view automatically, it is not redirected to the exact counterpart which shows the recent changes of my watching pages, but actually the special:editwatchlist page. If I want to go back to my usual watchlist, I have to click the counter-intuitively named "modified" button and in case I want to access the desktop view, I need to switch 2 pages in total from the mobile editwatchlist page which I rarely use. If you can fix this I will be happy. If you can provide an option in the preferences to disable mobile view altogether for registered users, I will be deeply grateful. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 07:54, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- What watchlist view is default on mobile is being discussed at bug T88270, you may wish to add an opinion there. I for one think the current default is wrong. — Scott • talk 08:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have trouble to login to Phabricator which I have a unified account between Wikimedia and Mediawiki but LDAP just would not let me login. Anyway Jdlrobson holds a strong belief that this is not an issue at all, so I would instead ask for an opt-out of mobile view in the preferences. I don't want the mobile view at all, but Wikimedia would randomly redirect me and this is a plain annoyance. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 09:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- Did you try using the "Login or Register" button rather than the LDAP fields? Anyhow I'll link to this discussion from the ticket so that your comment is represented. — Scott • talk 10:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Sameboat: If you have a unified account then you should not use the LDAP login, as explained on the Phabricator login page. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- I suspect that the login via unified Wikimedia account to Phabricator does not support Windows XP. When I use Windows 7 to login, I was immediately prompted to login with unified account. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 11:30, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Sameboat: If you have a unified account then you should not use the LDAP login, as explained on the Phabricator login page. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 11:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- Did you try using the "Login or Register" button rather than the LDAP fields? Anyhow I'll link to this discussion from the ticket so that your comment is represented. — Scott • talk 10:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have trouble to login to Phabricator which I have a unified account between Wikimedia and Mediawiki but LDAP just would not let me login. Anyway Jdlrobson holds a strong belief that this is not an issue at all, so I would instead ask for an opt-out of mobile view in the preferences. I don't want the mobile view at all, but Wikimedia would randomly redirect me and this is a plain annoyance. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 09:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
File:Grand Theft Auto logo series.svg
Can somebody please revert File:Grand Theft Auto logo series.svg to the previous version because the new version represent the logo of one of the games of the series, but not all series? --Tohaomg (talk) 10:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- I reverted, but you could have done that too. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Allow summary gadgets hooks (interface message edit request)
Please see this discussion. The RedBurn (ϕ) 15:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Login and password reset
I cannot log in or reset my password. I have been a registered Wikipedian since 3 September 2003. I am a system administrator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hawstom The system will not email me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.76.62 (talk) 17:47, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, I did indeed make an unsigned comment. 72.201.76.62 (talk) 17:49, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- I noticed this problem about a week ago when I wanted to make a minor edit to an article. I tried again today with the same result. 72.201.76.62 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Do you see an option below the password that asks "Forgot your password?" That takes you to a page that asks for your user name and email address. The only other thing I can think of is Help:Reset password. I believe they used to take shorter passwords, but are now requesting Password strength requirements. — Maile (talk) 17:57, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I will probably need to talk to a developer or high level bureaucrat. "The system will not email me." 72.201.76.62 (talk) 19:50, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- This is a strange question for a system administrator. However you are not actually one of them. You are just a local sysop. Ruslik_Zero 19:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- No signature and a claim to be a system administrator are odd mistakes for an administrator but User:Hawstom has claimed to be a system administrator since 2005.[6] What exactly happens when you try to log in and when you use Special:PasswordReset? Does "The system will not email me" mean you get a message saying something like that, or do you just not receive a mail at the address you think is stored in your account? Try to look in spam folders in your mail software and the website of your mail provider. Try other mail addresses you have access to if an old address may be stored. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Well, one can be a system administrator and not an administrator of this system.. . . That is, the claim of being "a system administrator" and of being "a Wikipedia administrator" are two different things. - Nunh-huh 20:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- The user group used to be called
sysop
, which is short for system operator. Given the other things on that user page which indicate its age, that it should refer to the permission as "system administrator" isn't particularly bothersome. --Izno (talk) 05:12, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- The user group used to be called
- Well, one can be a system administrator and not an administrator of this system.. . . That is, the claim of being "a system administrator" and of being "a Wikipedia administrator" are two different things. - Nunh-huh 20:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- No signature and a claim to be a system administrator are odd mistakes for an administrator but User:Hawstom has claimed to be a system administrator since 2005.[6] What exactly happens when you try to log in and when you use Special:PasswordReset? Does "The system will not email me" mean you get a message saying something like that, or do you just not receive a mail at the address you think is stored in your account? Try to look in spam folders in your mail software and the website of your mail provider. Try other mail addresses you have access to if an old address may be stored. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- This is a strange question for a system administrator. However you are not actually one of them. You are just a local sysop. Ruslik_Zero 19:53, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
User:Hawstom login and password reset
Please see above this discussion.
Thanks, PrimeHunter. What's happening is that I am simply not getting a message (including spam) at the address I believe I have been using since before 2001. Since it is a gmail address, I could have done some sort of cutesy when I registered at Wikipedia like added ****+wikipedia@gmail.com to my address. I don't know. But thst should not prevent the message from getting to me assuming I wasn't using some sort of obsolete alias like *****@despammed.com or *****@spamgourmet.com. Anyway, what are my options at this point? I am happy to register a different account, though I am sorry to see my vintage account go by the wayside. I do have many old Wikipedian friends who could vouch for me, if that's an option. I also can demonstrate I control the web sites that I have claimed as my own at User:Hawstom#Personal_Point_of_View_Disclosure for the past 15 years or so. There's a 2006 version of User:Hawstom about 15 edits ago at [7] 72.201.76.62 I guess it would also be very easy to show in the usual ways (driver license, passport, etc.) that I am really Tom Haws, whom I have identified myself as on Wikipedia in my talk signatures. Thanks again. No rush. 72.201.76.62 (talk) 20:36, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
I am only a Wikipedia administrator (sysop was the term back in the day when they dubbed me an admin (broom, dustpan, and hand grenade)). In any case, the login problem persists. Sorry. I don't edit much in the past ten years or more. 72.201.76.62 (talk) 20:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
And yes, it's a drag to be using an IP address to be discussing this. I could have created a sock puppet, but oh well. 70.167.218.19 (talk) 23:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
- This account's email is not gmail. I obviously can't disclose which one it is, but it seems to be a work email. Max Semenik (talk) 23:43, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into that for me. I don't have access to anything at thaws@kwhpe.com or thaws@hubbardengineering.com anymore (that is where I was working 1999 to 2010). But I still do control hawsedc.com and constructionnotesmanager.com. I thought that Wikipedia used to have a private messaging system, but I do not see that at the moment. If it's one of the latter, I can go into the mail system at my web site and get the mails. If the account email is one of the former, I possibly could ask Hubbard to look into it for me. Or you could just point the email to something at hawsedc.com like tom@hawsedc.com since that is obviously a web site that belongs to User:Hawstom based on the status of User:Hawstom since 2006 I referenced above. 70.167.218.19 (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I think what you're asking for is technically impossible, because anyone could say what you just have and get access to a sleeper admin account to wreck havoc. The policy at WP:SOCK#LEGIT says you should create a new account and tag the old one as abandoned. If you want to use the admin tools, I think you would be best filing a fresh Request for adminship, stating in your RfA that you would like the old account desysopped as compromised / abandoned. However, given you have barely used the tools in ten years, I suspect the odds of you passing RfA in today's climate are extremely low, so I think you'll have to treat your tools as "retired", whatever option you choose. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:21, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Not following you around I swear Ritchie - Ritchie is correct though, there are ways our sysadmins can restore access to this account, but it's unlikely we can prove ownership of the account. In the future (and to anyone reading who is worried this could happen to them) please consider adding a committed identity to your account -- samtar talk or stalk 16:28, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Hawstom, your email does not belong to any of these. I believe you but I need to be absolutely sure - so I'm unable to help you unless a trusted Wikipedian that knows you can confirm your identity. Max Semenik (talk) 19:40, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Max. I did research and find that perhaps my gmail account only goes back to 2005 (???) and before that I did use hawstom@sprintmail.com. I don't have access to that anymore. If it's not too much trouble, can you let me know if any of the following would be suitable trusted Wikipedians? Alternately, couldn't I just put a breadcrumb at one of my (Hawstom's) personal web sites, like a message to you? -Tom
- User:Visorstuff Met on Wikipedia. Probably can identify me via Facebook, LinkedIn, web sites, etc.
- User:Sam Spade Met on Wikipedia. Have spoken on the phone many times.
- User:Rednblu Met on Wikipedia. Have emailed, I believe.
- User:Wesley Met on Wikipedia. Have emailed.
Also, the plot thickens. Not only can I not access this account, I also cannot access my es account es:Usuario:Hawstom. Hmm. Maybe I really am not myself!?! Whoa! -Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.167.218.19 (talk) 19:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- See WP:SUL. You now have only one login across most WMF websites. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:52, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Blocked and unblock instructions do not work
I am a major contributor with serveral thousand new articles who's coming up to my 15th year. Today while playing Tuesday trivia at a local pub I received several emails from the wiki, which is highly unusual. I opened them to find I had been globally banned from the wiki for something trump and something namespace, neither of which I have any idea about. In spite of limiting my edits mostly to WWII UK radar, nuclear fusion, and 1960s ABM systems, other editors apparently felt I was responsible for this, and immediately universally banned me.
There are instructions about how to appeal a block, but these require you to log in, which I cannot do. So can anyone help me out? I have an FA in progress.
Maury Markowitz
PS posting from my iPhone,please forgive any spelling issues.
- You weren't banned; your account appeared to be compromised and was globally locked as a safety measure. It has been globally locked, rather than just locally blocked, and thus the instructions for appealing local blocks do not work. See m:Global lock Pppery 02:55, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- I read the page,non trivial on the phone,and am still not sure what to do. The correct button did nothing and I'm not sure if I should post publicly. And advice?
- You'll have to contact the Stewards through meta, IRC, or email, as described at meta:Stewards. You're account was definitely hacked, and the lock was necessary to keep the hacker from exercising your accounts permissions. You will be asked to change your password, and it would be a good idea to implement 2FA to protect your account in the future, since someone did manage to figure out your password. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:15, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- While I certainly won't discount the possibility, it seems unlikely, I suspect they came in from elsewhere. I also suspect I am not the only one that's been penned, and it's likely I was targeted because of my admin bit. Time to get rid of that, methinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.93.48 (talk) 04:04, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Your local account was blocked, and then unblocked because of the global lock covering the situation.[8][9] Maybe the button that did nothing was in a mail about the no longer relevant local block. Your global account has been unlocked and I see you have started editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- While I certainly won't discount the possibility, it seems unlikely, I suspect they came in from elsewhere. I also suspect I am not the only one that's been penned, and it's likely I was targeted because of my admin bit. Time to get rid of that, methinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.168.93.48 (talk) 04:04, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- You'll have to contact the Stewards through meta, IRC, or email, as described at meta:Stewards. You're account was definitely hacked, and the lock was necessary to keep the hacker from exercising your accounts permissions. You will be asked to change your password, and it would be a good idea to implement 2FA to protect your account in the future, since someone did manage to figure out your password. Someguy1221 (talk) 03:15, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- I read the page,non trivial on the phone,and am still not sure what to do. The correct button did nothing and I'm not sure if I should post publicly. And advice?
This whole process was sub-optimal and needs fixing:
- No message was posted to my talk page about what was going on. There were random messages about being banned or blocked, but not one accurate description of what actually happened. It was not until after the block was removed that someone posted such information, and it was the wrong information.
- Searching on the Wiki for information on the problem turns up the wrong pages. Those describe requesting unblocks by posting to your talk page, which you can't. It was not until Pppery posted above that the term "globally locked" came up, and even then without a link.
- Attempting to log in results in a pink box on the login page that has a slightly more accurate description, but no link to the appropriate pages.
- The appropriate pages are jargon filled and far too long to be immediately useful.
- The solution I ultimately used does not work on mobile devices.
This was a heap of fail. And before anyone smugly tries to blame me for this, I should point out I am the victim here. So my suggestions:
- Like any block, there should be a requirement for the blocking admin to place a correct description of the problem and solutions on the user's talk page.
- If the terms are so similar that they might be confused, we should choose clearer terminology.
- The "pink box" for login fail should link to the correct page.
- The page should list the "how to fix" at the top, in short, clear language.
Maury Markowitz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- I think you probably want to discuss such improvements on the Administrators noticeboard. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- The closest I've come to being blocked is when an IP on a public computer I was using for logged-out editing got hit with a vandalism block caused by somebody else, and on that occasion I agree it is confusing and difficult to appeal. It stands to reason - admins, by and large, have never been blocked (it's kind of difficult to pass RfA without a clean sheet, let's be honest) so they'll have no real idea of the experience. Additionally, you were lucky here - if you were a casual editor nobody had heard of, you could have been smacked with a sockpuppetry block soon after you posted your initial thread as an IP (and I've seen that happen with my own eyes). So I support Maury's attempts to make the process simpler and easier to understand. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- User talk:Maury Markowitz#Blocked has a correct message about the local block, posted by the blocking admin two minutes after the block. If you had logged in while only that block was in effect then you should have gotten correct instructions in the interface. The confusion was caused by the global lock. Global locks are made at meta by stewards and apply to all Wikimedia wikis so you cannot expect to get a message on your English Wikipedia talk page. I don't know what happens when globally locked users try to log in but they can only be unlocked at meta by stewards. Did you see MediaWiki:Centralauth-login-error-locked and nothing else? Maybe meta:Global locks should be linked there. It's a brief page and includes:
- Global locks may be requested and appealed at Steward requests/Global.
- Default MediaWiki messages never link to wiki pages because the messages come with MediaWiki software which is used by thousands of unrelated wikis and have no wiki pages when MediaWiki is installed. MediaWiki:Centralauth-login-error-locked is currently the MediaWiki default but we could customize it here. Maybe it could also be suggested somewhere (at Phab?) that on all Wikimedia wikis it should replace the normal MediaWiki default with a message linking to meta:Global locks. Local wikis could still make their own versions if they want. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- We can adjust messages across all Wikimedia wikis while still having it generic for mediawiki using the WikimediaMessages extension. Anyone have a proposed alternative wording for the message? BWolff (WMF) (talk) 15:19, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Link it to the Meta page on global locks, and I'll update it to have more useful information (and people can help with that too if they'd like). -- Ajraddatz (talk) 23:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- MediaWiki:Centralauth-login-error-locked can just add the link without changing the wording: "You cannot log in because your account is globally locked." PrimeHunter (talk) 19:12, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Link it to the Meta page on global locks, and I'll update it to have more useful information (and people can help with that too if they'd like). -- Ajraddatz (talk) 23:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- We can adjust messages across all Wikimedia wikis while still having it generic for mediawiki using the WikimediaMessages extension. Anyone have a proposed alternative wording for the message? BWolff (WMF) (talk) 15:19, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, as the locking steward I have a couple of things to mention here. First off, when dealing with compromised accounts, we do not and will not post public information on how to regain control of the account. The account has already been compromised; we don't want to tip the person off as to how they can gain further control of it or pretend to be the original account holder. Instead, we attempt to privately contact the account owner - not always easy, especially when people don't allow email from other users or don't have an email specified here. In your specific case, I tried to contact you through a couple of venues, though I was unfortunately unsuccessful in doing so. The documentation on global locks is also pretty sparse, mainly because it is a powerful tool which is rarely used. In 99% of cases, accounts which are globally locked have no chance of ever editing again, because they are either obvious cross-wiki socks or spam-only accounts. That doesn't help for the other 1% of cases though, and I agree that the documentation could use some more information.
- I can add information on how to find out why your account was locked, and an info section on how to request unlocking on the Meta page. From here, linking to the global locks page from MediaWiki:Centralauth-login-error-locked would make sense. I can't add this to all interface messages globally, but I'll see if we can get the default modified on Wikimedia to link to the Meta page. As to messages regarding what happened, that is something that could be organized at the local level. Thankfully account compromises don't happen often, and if more people change their passwords and use 2FA they'll happen even less in the future :-) -- Ajraddatz (talk) 23:51, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Edit malfunctions
In this edit, I only added the new comment. I did not modify the existing comment. I and others easily could have missed it, and it could have been in an article instead of an article talk page. I know we have been aware of this for awhile, but I'm really surprised it has persisted for this long. What is the status? Can anybody point me to an existing phab ticket? ―Mandruss ☎ 08:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- You and Polentarion edited the same version and saved the same minute, you last [10] without getting an edit conflict I assume. See #Spelling "correction" that I did not make which has Phab links. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Add HTML5 autofocus attribute to improve Wikipedia search user experience
Dear Wiki DEVs, please add this HMTL5 code to make the cursor auto focus on the search bar as soon as the search text field finished loading:
https://davidwalsh.name/autofocus
This will make it a lot easier to search articles in Wikipedia.
Thank you. 77.180.36.32 (talk) 14:07, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Take a look at Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why doesn't the cursor appear in the search box, like with Google?, it gives the usual reasons that we don't do this. Also note the workarounds listed in that section. — crh 23 (Talk) 14:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
RfC to regularise spacing between paragraphs on talk pages
RfC is at MediaWiki talk:Common.css #RfC to regularise spacing between paragraphs on talk pages. All comments appreciated. --RexxS (talk) 22:57, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
References section scrollbars
For putting the reference section in a box with a scrollbar Help:Reference display customization says to put the following in your skin.css:
/* Reference list in a box with a scrollbar */
@media screen {
div.reflist {
overflow-x: hidden;
overflow-y: auto;
padding-right: 0.5em;
max-height: 320px;
}
}
The thing is, it doesn't work. It seems to want to scroll horizontally and not vertically. And the entire webpage has a horizontal scrollbar. I've tried disabling columns/column width, setting a max-width, and playing around with the overflow values. I imagine that the above is outdated (indeed, Help:Reference display customization edited last over two years ago). Can anyone offer a solution? I'm on Chrome version 54.0.2840.99 m. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 23:25, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Can't log in on iPad
I get
There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Go back to the previous page, reload that page and then try again.
Going back and reloading doesn't help. It happens here and on Meta. No problems logging in with my Dell laptop running Windows 10 or my Samsung Galaxy 5. Any thoughts? (I first noticed this about 12 hours ago, and I'm pretty sure I haven't changed any settings.) --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 01:27, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
So, this is still happening. I'm on my iPad and can't log in. Is there someone at Wikimedia technical who I can ask about this? (Anthony) --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyhcole (talk • contribs) 13:46, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Anthonyhcole: This is a caching issue. Close all Wikimedia pages, and clear the cache. On iOS, this is in Settings > Safari > Advanced > Website Data, then remove any Wikimedia page from the list. Unfortunately, this is only a temporary fix and will have to be reapplied. -- AntiCompositeNumber (Leave a message) 14:20, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Anthonyhcole: Make sure you're using the desktop version of the site, even on your tablet or phone. I have experienced issues with logging in on the mobile version and changing to the desktop version always resolves it. Tvx1 14:41, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- @AntiCompositeNumber and Tvx1: Thank you both. AntiCompositeNumber's suggestion worked. I'll try just going to desktop view first if it happens again. Much appreciated. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 16:55, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Technical feasibility of password audits
Hi all, I've been looking at last years security review RfC with the view to launch a specific RfC to implement password audits. The 2015 RfC established consensus to perform these audits on administrator and functionary accounts, with a view to discuss the technical implementation in the near future - I hope to get the community to decide which method to use and have been drafting the RfC at Draft:Security review RfC 2016, but I can only think of one feasible method of checking. Does anyone else have any other suggestions for methods of auditing specific user groups' passwords? (Not which one we should use (that's for this RfC) or if we should audit passwords (consensus was made here)). -- samtar talk or stalk 11:05, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- It would have to be done by WMF developers using the hashes stored in the production server database. Given that, they'd just run them all through a standard password cracking/auditing tool and (my preference) privately notify any holders of passwords found to be crackable. Then check again a few weeks later and if the password is still vulnerable, lock the account and notify the person that they have to do a password reset using the email mechanism. 50.0.136.56 (talk) 01:18, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Emails not arriving
On 3 November, I received notification that an e-mail had been sent to me, but that e-mail never arrived. I had forgotten about this until today, when I received notification about another e-mail, which 90 minutes later has not arrived either. This feature has previously worked, I have not changed the "Enable email from other users" under Preferences, and I still receive e-mails telling me that there have been changes to my talk page - so Wikipedia has the right e-mail address, Is this a known problem, and/or is there a cure? - Arjayay (talk) 11:12, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Mmmm - I have just used "Email this user" to send myself an e-mail, which has arrived - Arjayay (talk) 11:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Is your email provider Yahoo? There are documented incompatibilities between MediaWiki and Yahoo, because MediaWiki spoofs headers to show the email sender's address which flags their protection systems. ‑ Iridescent 11:40, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Recently gmail has also been affected by this -- samtar talk or stalk 12:03, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes it is gmail - interesting that it accepted the spoofing of my e-mail address, any chance of a fix? Stop spoofing the address, but include it in the top line with an explanation?
I suppose in the meantime I should remove the "email this user" option so people do not waste their time/get annoyed at the lack of response - Arjayay (talk) 13:54, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes it is gmail - interesting that it accepted the spoofing of my e-mail address, any chance of a fix? Stop spoofing the address, but include it in the top line with an explanation?
- Recently gmail has also been affected by this -- samtar talk or stalk 12:03, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- Is your email provider Yahoo? There are documented incompatibilities between MediaWiki and Yahoo, because MediaWiki spoofs headers to show the email sender's address which flags their protection systems. ‑ Iridescent 11:40, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Jmol, JSmol in the wiki?
About Chemistry, 3D images. By {{Infobox drug}} and {{Chembox}} (17K transclusions), we have input ACII string |SMILES=
that can be fed to an external link, to show a 3D model called Jmol or JSmol, interactive eg by mouse. Example:
- DDT,
|SMILES=Clc1ccc(cc1)C(c2ccc(Cl)cc2)C(Cl)(Cl)Cl
, Jmol interactive 3D model (worth trying)
This is what I know. (from here: my projection only). Now for a long time people have suggested we could incorporate the code into mw. So that we can have an interactive 3D image right in the infoboxes (not an el any more). See this and this talk. Is this worth a Phabricator id? -DePiep (talk) 23:26, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
- It might be even nicer if it could be even more general than just the infoboxes. Have some way of generating an interactive 3D model so it can be placed anywhere appropriate in the articles like other media can be placed. For instance, it would be neat if in a section of an article talking about metabolites of a drug we could place interactive 3D models of the metabolites. Sizeofint (talk) 00:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- For general 3D models there is a long running feature request documented in: phab:T3790. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:25, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- I just looked at that JSMol again.. My god that is terrible. Someone PLEASE hire a proper Javascript developer or just kill it already. I mean: It has Java style
System.out.println("Jsmol.js Jmol._loadImage using data URI for " + id)
inside the Javascript... —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC)- It's auto generated code apparently...? That implements the Java framework... It's terrible though... Someone needs to take a long hard look at that, strip tons of deadweight in backwards compatibility and drag this out of 2009. It's clearly a research project in Javascript, and not a Javascript library implementing a standard. I do not consider it suited for usage in larger websites. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:08, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- We can call this DOA I guess. Create a phab number saying this for future questions? Thanks TheDJ. -DePiep (talk) 16:13, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Well as an idea, it is certainly not DOA of course. I'd very much encourage it. But the technology is being prohibitive right now. We should stimulate and look for alternate technology oppertunities. If someone were to create a D3.js based renderer for the notation, we would be in much better shape. I would definetly advise to open a phab ticket. I'm a bit surprised actually that I cannot find an already existing or closed ticket for this topic. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:39, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- We can call this DOA I guess. Create a phab number saying this for future questions? Thanks TheDJ. -DePiep (talk) 16:13, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- It's auto generated code apparently...? That implements the Java framework... It's terrible though... Someone needs to take a long hard look at that, strip tons of deadweight in backwards compatibility and drag this out of 2009. It's clearly a research project in Javascript, and not a Javascript library implementing a standard. I do not consider it suited for usage in larger websites. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:08, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- To help keep information centralized, Wikipedia:Using_Jmol_to_display_molecular_models looks long-untouched, but Jmol itself has [11] and and http://wiki.jmol.org/index.php/MediaWiki]. DMacks (talk) 22:51, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Also of relevance is phab:T7535. That refers to "bug 16491 (Which is asking for the ability to upload molecule files, and have them display in the wiki with 3d models", but I can't find that bug-item itself in phab. DMacks (talk) 23:00, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- @DMacks: To convert from bug numbers to phab numbers, add 2000 and prefix with "T", i.e. phab:T18491. Or, prefix the bug number with "bugzilla:" and wikilink it, as in bugzilla:16491. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
What is the parameter supposed to do?
I've seen this...thing on Template:Charlton-trademark-copyright. No parameter named DC is part of the calling structure so I think this is a parser function. Unfortunately all the materials on WP, Meta and MediaWiki said nothing about this. What does it do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by T3h 1337 b0y (talk • contribs) 07:08, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- You can see what it does in the code. It is used in {{DC-Charlton-trademark-copyright}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- No parameter named DC is documented. It's still a parameter. Looking at the template source, setting DC to anything non-null makes the template omit the blah blah defunct blah blah statement. --Unready (talk) 07:52, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Coloured characters in edit mode
At Wikipedia talk:Password strength requirements#Password testing tools, in the post by ^demon (talk · contribs) timed at 06:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC) there is a character before the signature which looks like a yellowish circle. I assumed an image, but on going into edit mode, I saw that it is yellow there as well - an anomaly amongst the otherwise black text on white. It even shows up yellow in the diff. Using Unicode code converter I see that when pasted into the first green box it is yellow there too, and may be encoded as 😖
or U+1F616
. When did fonts start having inherent colour? Note: I updated to Firefox 50.0 overnight, which may or may not be coincidence. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:42, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: They've been around for a while; see Emoticon#Unicode. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Main Page mysteriously appearing in watchlist
The main page appeared in my watchlist despite me not adding it to the watchlist. Does this have anything to do with the recent hack and subsequent edits to the main page? SwineHerd (talk/contribs) 15:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Unless you've also been hacked and the hacker added it, it was probably always there. You just didn't notice it, because it hadn't changed. --Unready (talk) 15:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- If a page is moved then watchers automatically get the new title on their watchlist and also keep the old. I don't know whether there are oversighted vandalism moves of the main page. I guess you just accidentally clicked the watch tab somewhere between your account creation 19 September 2016 and the vandalism 12 and 16 November. The main page had no other edits in this interval because the content is mostly transcluded from other pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:07, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- Did you at any point add Talk:Main Page to your watchlist? You can't have one without the other. Reach Out to the Truth 20:44, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
- @SwineHerd: Here's a possibility. Let's say that at some point you watchlisted a page, let's call it Hypothetical case Xyz, which was later deleted (at this point, Hypothetical case Xyz remains on your watchlist). You forget about it, after all, it's an unimportant redlink. Much later (we'll assume that Main Page isn't on your watchlist here), somebody gains improper access to an admin account, and maliciously moves Main Page to Hypothetical case Xyz; at this point, Hypothetical case Xyz is still watched by you, and Main Page still isn't. Another admin soon spots this and moves the page back, with redirect suppressed - and at this point, Main Page is added to your watchlist (Hypothetical case Xyz is still watched by you). --Redrose64 (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Page moves, as well as deletions, are disabled for the main page on WMF wikis. The only move of the main page on Wikipedia was 11 years ago to Hauturu/Little Barrier Island by Moriori. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 05:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Awww shucks, it's so long ago I can't remember details, but rest assured it wasn't me. It was a friend who was looking over my shoulder as I was demonstrating how Wiki is edited. Wow, people still remember that. Moriori (talk) 07:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Village stocks remembers that for us. --Unready (talk) 15:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Awww shucks, it's so long ago I can't remember details, but rest assured it wasn't me. It was a friend who was looking over my shoulder as I was demonstrating how Wiki is edited. Wow, people still remember that. Moriori (talk) 07:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Page moves, as well as deletions, are disabled for the main page on WMF wikis. The only move of the main page on Wikipedia was 11 years ago to Hauturu/Little Barrier Island by Moriori. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 05:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- @SwineHerd: Here's a possibility. Let's say that at some point you watchlisted a page, let's call it Hypothetical case Xyz, which was later deleted (at this point, Hypothetical case Xyz remains on your watchlist). You forget about it, after all, it's an unimportant redlink. Much later (we'll assume that Main Page isn't on your watchlist here), somebody gains improper access to an admin account, and maliciously moves Main Page to Hypothetical case Xyz; at this point, Hypothetical case Xyz is still watched by you, and Main Page still isn't. Another admin soon spots this and moves the page back, with redirect suppressed - and at this point, Main Page is added to your watchlist (Hypothetical case Xyz is still watched by you). --Redrose64 (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Infobox coordinates conversion
If anyone with template experience is interested in doing mildly boring and repetitive things, you could help out with the conversion of coordinates-related infobox template parameters by editing infoboxes so that they can have superfluous parameters removed. Thanks, Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
to reply to me 09:36, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Page Curation Toolbar not working for me
As the title suggests, the Page Curation toolbar is not appearing for me as it should, and in fact never has. I was told you not need to add any JS for it to work, and I have the latest Java update, as well as the new NPP permission. Tried on 2 laptops & mobile using Chrome & Firefox, so guessing it's an account-related issue. Does it have to be enabled in some way? Joseph2302 10:55, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302:, the Page Curation toolbar now requires group membership in the new page reviewers group to use. — xaosflux Talk 11:51, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have that permission, see [12]. Joseph2302 11:53, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Oops you do :D What skin are you using? I never seem to get that bar to work with monobook and all my custom js. Try turning off these, then turn on one by one. — xaosflux Talk 12:18, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Using Vector. And I've just tried that and it didn't work. Joseph2302 12:22, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- I have that permission, see [12]. Joseph2302 11:53, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Just off the wall - are you accessing this via Special:NewPagesFeed ? — xaosflux Talk 12:31, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes I am, then clicking review on a page, and the tool should be on the right hand side, correct? Joseph2302 12:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Joseph2302: Could you please open your web browser's developer tools and reload the page on which you see the problem? If there is a problem or an error with w:JavaScript (e.g. from other gadgets interfering) it should be printed in the 'console' of the developer tools. For more information please see Firefox/Google Chrome. (Java is not needed and I don't know what "NPP" stands for.) --Malyacko (talk) 14:12, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Have you clicked "Curate this article" under "Tools" in the left pane? PrimeHunter (talk) 18:39, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Working now. The "Curate this article" thing wasn't there until just now, but suddenly it is. And FYI Malyacko, NPP= new page patrol, which now needs a user right to do. I guess because I only got the right 2 days ago, that might have caused the issue. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:17, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
- Yes I am, then clicking review on a page, and the tool should be on the right hand side, correct? Joseph2302 12:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)