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Contents
- 1 Ru ware at ERRORS
- 2 War Edition؟!!!
- 3 Section names
- 4 Alfred Clark (director) has been nominated for Did You Know
- 5 RCC
- 6 DYK for Jun ware
- 7 it:Ru (ceramica)
- 8 Migration of the Serbs for TFA
- 9 Random thanks
- 10 Alfred Clark (director)
- 11 DYK for Alfred Clark (director)
- 12 DYK for Resist
- 13 ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!
- 14 DYK for Ge ware
- 15 DYK for Yaozhou ware
- 16 WikiProject Berbers
- 17 I wonder
- 18 Address Collection
- 19 Brush pot
- 20 DYK for Tang dynasty tomb figures
- 21 Happy Holidays!
- 22 DYK for Doucai
- 23 RfC: Inclusion of predecessors and successors in officeholders' infoboxes
- 24 DYK for Assyrian sculpture
- 25 DYK for Guan ware
- 26 Incomplete DYK nomination
- 27 Seasons
- 28 Mail from your favourite dinosaur
- 29 Happy Saturnalia!
- 30 Best wishes for the holidays...
- 31 DYK nomination of Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London)
- 32 DYK Nomination of Carved Lacquerware
- 33 Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday to you
- 34 Season's greetings!
- 35 Incomplete DYK nomination
- 36 Huh?
- 37 Adoration of the Kings
- 38 DYK for Cizhou ware
- 39 Merry Merry
- 40 ygm
- 41 Seasons Greetings
- 42 Holiday card
- 43 Season's greetings
- 44 Merry Christmas
- 45 Merry Christmas 2016
- 46 Merry Christmas
- 47 Happy Holidays
- 48 DYK for Adoration of the Kings (David, London)
- 49 DYK for Mantou kiln
- 50 Yo Ho Ho
- 51 Merry, merry!
- 52 Address Collection - 1st reminder
Ru ware at ERRORS
Hi Johnbod, here is a link to the completed discussion after Fram acted on the report, as requested. EdChem (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Well, I hadn't seen all that till just now! Thank heavens for User:Andrew Davidson who actually read the online sources very carefully. He dealt with your points very well, so I think there's no need to add. But if he hadn't been there, with Fram & TRM around, I think we can see what would have happened. User:Fram's first very ill-informed & OR venture into Chinese ceramics matters, now transferred to Talk:Jingdezhen ware, is still causing repercussions at Template:Did you know nominations/Jingdezhen ware, where TRM also stuck his oar in. I don't know what it is about Chinese pottery that makes everybody an expert. The point is that these extensive discussions should not take place without either of the 2 editors actually writing the article, mainly from offline sources, being at all aware. It is not as if I'm not around most of the time. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
- Johnbod, I still don't see what was inaccurate in my suggestion. This particular type of Ru ware is rare - as Andrew D. noted it is the guan yao type and maybe that would be a useful addition - but I seriously doubt anyone would think US$25M+ for a single piece is common. "Six-petalled flower-shaped" is the exact description from the section titled "Mr. and Mrs. Alfred Clark's Ru Guanyao Brush Washer" by Regina Krahl (British Museum biography). "Song dynasty" was in the original hook, and the "around 1100 AD" date is consistent with the descriptions I read. My suggested additions / changes may have been bad ideas, and I stress I would not have added them unilateraly without a discussion, but I don't see how they are incorrect. The only thing I would have done unilaterally was change from "US$26.7 million" to "HK$207.86 million (US$26.7 million)" because the sale was in HKD.
I am unaware of the pottery issue you mention, and I admit that everyone is wrong at times - including me! - but I thought the change in currency which TRM proposed at WT:DYK was appropriate, and it went unactioned.
On the notification issue, if I started a discussion at WT:DYK, I would ping the relevant editors, and I believe that a discussion is needed for a significant change to be made. The rules allow changes in the prep areas and queues and tweaks are needed and appropriate at times, but wholesale changes should not be unilateral, IMO - and yes, Fram has done that at times, as has TRM when he was an admin, and that is not an approach I favour. Some of the issues they have raised are trivial, but some were important and those need to be addressed. I do regret that there were no pings given to the WT:DYK discussions, though I didn't start it. I certainly could have added them at the ERRORS discussion I started, and I do apologise for not doing that and undertake I will ping at future ERRORS discussions. EdChem (talk) 17:03, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. I'll just say, that although correct as a description for a relatively expert audience, when accompanied by many photos, "Six-petalled flower-shaped" is misleading for a general audience with no photo to look at, as only experts looking at the actual piece would ever describe it so. Johnbod (talk) 17:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
- Johnbod, I still don't see what was inaccurate in my suggestion. This particular type of Ru ware is rare - as Andrew D. noted it is the guan yao type and maybe that would be a useful addition - but I seriously doubt anyone would think US$25M+ for a single piece is common. "Six-petalled flower-shaped" is the exact description from the section titled "Mr. and Mrs. Alfred Clark's Ru Guanyao Brush Washer" by Regina Krahl (British Museum biography). "Song dynasty" was in the original hook, and the "around 1100 AD" date is consistent with the descriptions I read. My suggested additions / changes may have been bad ideas, and I stress I would not have added them unilateraly without a discussion, but I don't see how they are incorrect. The only thing I would have done unilaterally was change from "US$26.7 million" to "HK$207.86 million (US$26.7 million)" because the sale was in HKD.
- Well, I hadn't seen all that till just now! Thank heavens for User:Andrew Davidson who actually read the online sources very carefully. He dealt with your points very well, so I think there's no need to add. But if he hadn't been there, with Fram & TRM around, I think we can see what would have happened. User:Fram's first very ill-informed & OR venture into Chinese ceramics matters, now transferred to Talk:Jingdezhen ware, is still causing repercussions at Template:Did you know nominations/Jingdezhen ware, where TRM also stuck his oar in. I don't know what it is about Chinese pottery that makes everybody an expert. The point is that these extensive discussions should not take place without either of the 2 editors actually writing the article, mainly from offline sources, being at all aware. It is not as if I'm not around most of the time. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
War Edition؟!!!
Hi. Why do all the editing you undo me? This Template is being edited and is not over yet.Your photo is irrelevant. Hold on. Tanks Derakhshan/◄ 13:35, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
- I placed two large Image. See Template:Antique Kings of Italy. Derakhshan/◄ 13:56, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Section names
I don't believe it is better like that at all. These are not a good or featured article that I have edited so I don't see why I should be warned to not make undiscussed changes to them when they are so minor. It makes much more sense to call something above the "reflist" References since there is also a "notelist" which makes sense to use for a Notes section.*Trekker (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
- That's your opinion, but it's not especially widely shared. If they are "minor", why bother wasting your time on them & getting reverted? Your argument makes little sense since the reader can't see the template names. Don't start edit-warring over this. Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Alfred Clark (director) has been nominated for Did You Know
RCC
Given your awareness of the recent consensus about the use of "Catholic Church" as opposed to "RCC", I'm curious as to why you're adding that category to articles. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:07, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
- There should only be one category, but while there are two, with apparently different content, they should connect. I didn't see the recent not-very-well-attended debate, but I think I would have opposed; the matter has been much more comprehensively discussed before. Johnbod (talk) 11:25, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Jun ware
— Maile (talk) 01:12, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
it:Ru (ceramica)
Thank you for writing the article!--R5b43 (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Migration of the Serbs for TFA
- Hi John. This is just a friendly note to let you know that the Migration of the Serbs article has been scheduled as today's featured article for December 2, 2016. Dank will be along shortly to massage the lead into a main page blurb, but if you're interested in doing this, or in subsequently editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/December 2, 2016. Thanks! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Random thanks
Given that I just left effusive messages for Brianboulton and Tim riley, I should thank you for all the reviewing you've done. You've showed up on my every FAC so far, so in the back of my head when thinking about articles I want to send through FAC, it's mainly you I envision doing the reviewing. (You may not remember, but I was probably a bit annoying during the Egyptian temple FAC. Sorry about that, but because I'd never gone through FAC before, I was in a bit of a slow-motion panic. And I've added lots of links to that article over the years!)
I'm not able to devote much time or energy to Wikipedia these days, and I don't know whether that will change. So a heartfelt thanks to you and all the highly active editors out there who keep the encyclopedia going. A. Parrot (talk) 03:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Alfred Clark (director)
Great article, and the video is indeed fun. Thanks to you and Andrew Davidson. Edwardx (talk) 13:18, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Johnbod and Edwardx may be interested in this item too. Pottery pays! Andrew D. (talk) 16:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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- Wow. So does Nazi memorabilia, even if it's mostly fake. Edwardx (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Alfred Clark (director)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Resist
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!
DYK for Ge ware
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Yaozhou ware
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
WikiProject Berbers
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--Aṭlas (talk) 19:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
- You're not interested in Berber-related things ? I apologise for the inconvenience. Regards--Aṭlas (talk) 17:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
I wonder
I remember you working on WP:HISTRS some years ago, and I wonder if you've still got an interest in (bad) historical scholarship. The article in question is Female hysteria, and it appears (see hundreds of words on the talk page) that a popular claim (explicitly label as only a hypothesis by its originator) may have been more "appealing to the general public" (and writers of pop psych books) than "based on solid evidence". I think a quick look through Galen and the widow (no paywall) would give you an idea of the issues.
And my problem is: That paper, although a spectacularly detailed destruction of the evidence claimed for the hypothesis (e.g., documenting mistakes that range from failing to provide page numbers in citations, to turning a quoted text that says (exclusively) "a midwife" into a claim about "a [male] physician or midwife", to critical errors and omissions in the translation of ancient texts), is focused on the Roman era. The claim covers at least 17 centuries. I'd like to find sources that demonstrate the level of acceptance that the scholarly community has for this idea with respect to the medieval and Victorian eras. Do you have any suggestions? WhatamIdoing (talk) 10:28, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
- Welcome to the joys of history - where people who insist on rigorous sourcing for medical claims are perfectly willing to take some non-historian's research as gospel. Why people think expert sources is something that science subjects must have but think any old newspaper article is a perfectly good history source, I will never ever understand. History is very much a discipline with its own rigorous research standards - but most folks (who will easily accept that a scientist's opinion on science topics is better than a non-scientist's opinion on those same subjects) seem to think anyone is qualified to opine on historical matters. This looks to have a start on debunking things, not just the hysteria story. These sorts of stories are much like the "medieval people believed the world was flat" or "Vikings wore horned helmets" stories that float about for my own field of study - medieval history. (Neither of those is true, btw). Ealdgyth - Talk 13:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
- Pity you just missed this. User:Zeromonk is WiR at the Wellcome Library and can probably help - tha's right up their street. Let me know how you get on. Johnbod (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the prod Johnbod! Helen King was actually at one of those sessions (& edited the Hysteria page). I have tweeted to her & Fern to see if they can help with suggesting some sources for other, later, periods in history too. Will ask around more generally too (this is such a good example why historians should edit wiki!). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeromonk (talk • contribs) 09:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
- I never expected so much help from one note. Thanks, all of you. It would be particularly helpful if any interested historians would try to cite Official Scholarly Sources™ whenever possible. It helps non-experts (i.e., 99% of us) understand that this is real academic information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for the prod Johnbod! Helen King was actually at one of those sessions (& edited the Hysteria page). I have tweeted to her & Fern to see if they can help with suggesting some sources for other, later, periods in history too. Will ask around more generally too (this is such a good example why historians should edit wiki!). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeromonk (talk • contribs) 09:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
- Pity you just missed this. User:Zeromonk is WiR at the Wellcome Library and can probably help - tha's right up their street. Let me know how you get on. Johnbod (talk) 04:48, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Address Collection
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Brush pot
Hi Johnbod. I'm guessing that this brushpot is a modern copy (took me two years to realise that!)- the reign mark is weak, the staining is apparently characteristic of a modern fake, and the drawing of the scenes is also a bit weak compared to another brushpot I have. The blue is purer than the other pot. The base exhibits two shell-like fractures, but to me the material looks like stoneware (brown and gritty). It's Chinese in origin, but is it J-ware? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Tang dynasty tomb figures
— Maile (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Happy Holidays!
Johnbod, Happy Holidays/New Year!--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Doucai
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RfC: Inclusion of predecessors and successors in officeholders' infoboxes
Hi, I'm writing to inform you that I've opened a new general Request for Comment concerning whether predecessors and successors should be included in the Infobox Officeholder template, further to my RfC concerning Michael Portillo specifically. The new RfC can be found here: Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder#RfC:_Should_predecessors_and_successors_be_included_in_officeholders.27_infoboxes.3F. Thanks, Specto73 (talk) 19:19, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Assyrian sculpture
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DYK for Guan ware
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Incomplete DYK nomination
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Seasons
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Happy Saturnalia!
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free. Ealdgyth - Talk 01:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC) |
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London) is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 18:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC) |
DYK nomination of Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London)
Hello! Your submission of Adoration of the Kings (Gerard David, London) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! DaltonCastle (talk) 01:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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DYK Nomination of Carved Lacquerware
Hey Johnbod, thank you for your efficient and productive contribution on Carved lacquerware. Didn't know there are anybody who have interest in Chinese art, to be frank ;) I don't take credit of this work since I have only created this article. Best regard! --WWbread (Open Your Mouth?) 05:59, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks! There have been a few of us editing over the years, and the views are often not bad. I have been doing a lot on the various types of ceramics, & wouldn't have done this if I hadn't seen your start. Johnbod (talk) 12:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and a Happy Holiday to you
Thank you for the Wiki-Christmas card!
I also (quite unintentionally) created an article with an Adoration of the Magi image recently: Santa María de Santa Cruz de la Serós. You will have to squint to see it in the middle left of the reredos (or click it a couple times). Srnec (talk) 00:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Huh?
Hey Johnbod, could you explain your use of rollback here? It's not clearly vandalism by any stretch of the imagination. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- In my book it's vandalism to casually and incorrectly change the meaning of the text for no reason. I said Asian & I & the source meant Asian. What did you think you were playing at? Johnbod (talk) 06:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
- Whoa, John. I didn't mean to offend you in any way. I was simply asking for an explanation in the edit summary next time, that's all. Best, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:47, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Adoration of the Kings
Hi, I moved your public domain image to the lead slot in Prep 4, Christmas Day. If you would like to crop it, please do so. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:30, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- Many thanks - I've done a crop. Do people think it's better for DYK? I'm not sure. Johnbod (talk) 02:01, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
- "People": I think the complete composition is more attractive, not only because there's Heaven in it (mentioned in a later hook that set). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
DYK for Cizhou ware
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Merry Merry
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ygm. Sorry to bother you. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 15:09, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Seasons Greetings
Merry Christmas from me! Thanks for your company during 2016. We have seen the percentage of articles on women rise from 15.5% to 16.77%. 20% is within our grasp and that's an increase of 11% over what we first found. Your stunning articles set a high standard - I enjoyed your work on Chinese salt glazes. Victuallers (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Holiday card
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Season's greetings
Hi John, many thanks for the card, and Merry Christmas to you. Best wishes, SarahSV (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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DYK for Adoration of the Kings (David, London)
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DYK for Mantou kiln
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Yo Ho Ho
Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:23, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
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