Contents
- 1 A new version of Template:Requested move is now live
- 2 Re Talk:Comox people#Requested move
- 3 Re Talk:Bella Bella, British Columbia#Requested move
- 4 Re the Atlin RM - this should have been relisted, not closed as there is NO OTHER possible PRIMARYTOPIC
- 5 RMCD bot on overdrive
- 6 changing EToro to eToro
- 7 Suggestion for finding an non-involved admin
A new version of Template:Requested move is now live
We are now in beta test of a new version of {{Requested move}} which uses the new Module:Requested move for improved error checking. The change should be transparent to users. More new features are on the way, and I will be updating the documentation soon. Kudos to Mr. Stradivarius for writing the new module. Please report any issues you may find here. Thanks, Wbm1058 (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Re Talk:Comox people#Requested move
All participants in the new, second RM on Comox at Talk:Comox people#Requested move agree that Comox, British Columbia, including the nominator should be included in that RM, and also that it should be undabbed per PRIMARYTOPIC; but it was prematurely closed by a non-admin user; curiously Comox was relisted less than a week after the previous RM was closed; rather that MoveReview it, there is now consensus that it is a factor in the current RM and should be included. What the procedure to do that is I don't know, but seems moot because the nominator himself now agrees to its inclusion as well as re the PRIMARYTOPIC being the town, which should be undisambiguated per WP:CSG#Places.Skookum1 (talk) 01:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Re Talk:Bella Bella, British Columbia#Requested move
When I launched this, I overlooked including the Bella Bella dab page, the existence of which Vegaswikian suggests is proof there is no PRIMARYTOPIC. The dab page should be added to the RM, I don't know how to do that, and please note my google searches on Talk:Bella Coola, British Columbia#Requested move and Talk:Lillooet, British Columbia#Requested move which are closely related in context. Such PRIMARYTOPIC challenges are all non sequiturs and easily disprovable as it is a given that Canadian usages referring to the towns are going to overwhelm all other "global usage" citations, despite protestations that Canadian English usages do not override allegedly "global" common usages, which makes no sense at all as Canadian English IS part of global English. And, er, what usages are numerous enough internationally to overcome millions of this for the town-usages as are MOSTCOMMON in Canada? That argument I've made on the Bella Bella and Bella Coola RMs, so will leave off about that, other than to say the knee-jerk demands for "proof" of PRIMARYTOPIC in all such cases is obstructionist, especially when it's very simple to google "Bella Bella -wikipedia" and have a look. Another very similar though slightly more complicated one is Saanich where there is no formal RM as of yet but it seems there will be as my attempt to remedy the situation on my own was reverted and I was slapped down for it as violating procedure. Sigh. I'm busy for the next few hours but will file one there later, even though WP:CSG#Places is very clear and googlehits are going to easily demonstrate the case for the move based on PRIMARYTOPIC.Skookum1 (talk) 02:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Re the Atlin RM - this should have been relisted, not closed as there is NO OTHER possible PRIMARYTOPIC
With only one groundless "oppose" that is word for word what Vegaswikian has posted on a dozen other related RMs, at least, concerning which User:Floydian commented on the parallel Lillooet RM "The nay'sayers here have very weak rationales, mostly consisting of IDONTLIKEIT by putting reverse onus on the person with local knowledge to verify your doubts from an international perspective. If you are not familiar enough with the various terms to be able to say without a doubt that "This is" or "This isn't" the primary topic, then your reasoning will be poor at best... because you don't know any better.....[stats].....Some of the editors in this discussion and the many related and prior discussions need a good trouting for resting their laurels on ignorance."
Thanks to the view results tool employed by Floydian on the Lillooet RM, such by-rote opposition in the Bella Bella, Bella Coola, Saanich and Comox people RMs (where the town article is on the table despite being relisted, and had just had a similar non-admin closure, now all have viewer stats supporting what is to a Canadian the obvious PRIMARYTOPIC; as of earlier today these stats are also on the new Tsawwassen RM.
Though named for the lake, Atlin is a highly notable town in Canadian history, the focus of the next-largest gold rush to the Klondike in its day, drawing 10,000-15,000 men overnight through bizarrely difficult mountain passes, including 80% of the workforce on the Yukon & White Pass Railroad, and was a key component of the competing territorial claims in the Alaska Boundary Dispute becauase of that rush and is the only town in its region of any size at all (such as it is; there really are no other towns south of the 60th Parallel - the BC/YT boundary - until you get to Stewart very far to the south, or Telegraph Creek, very far to the southeast) - that region being larger than a good dozen or two US states; the electoral district and the Atlin District (a mining district and a term which also refers to the whole part of BC north of the Stikine basin and west of the Liard basin) are both named for the town, not the lake; and none are primarytopic candidates.
- "Atlin, British Columbia" had 885 views this month (March)
- "Atlin Lake" had 462 views
- "Atlin Mountain" had 197 views; named for the lake
- "Atlin Provincial Park and Protected Area" had 136 views; named for the lake and/or the town/district
- "Atlin District" had 256 views; named for the town
- "Atlin Road" had 201 views; named for the town, its terminus
- there is no corresponding ethno article (yet) for the Aa Tleinn kwaan of the Inland Tlinkit; their name in any case is from the lake, and not spelled "Atlin" when used in English.
- perhaps fittingly given this needless fracas, that name translates "big water" in the sense of "big winds and waves" i.e. "lake of storms" in Tlingit
Atlin should be at least relisted, better yet it should be overturned by someone who does not rationalize a bad call as "subjective" when objective evidence abounds, as well as who does not respect/GF "local expertise" vs a "no proof" spurious objection from someone who's never heard of the place. CONSISTENCY re other town-titles and WP:CSG#Places are very, very clear, and were ignored by the opponent and the closer both; the close was improper, and the fuss and rigamarole of Move Review should not be necessary; nor should having to dig out stats for any of these have been needed simply because one editor has a complete lack of GF towards the proponent, who is acting on the consensual mandate of CANSTYLE, CANTALK, TITLE and more, and who happens to have expertise, a factor which seems regarded as less and less of value around here; even derided.
This RM I thought had time for proper debate, and did not reckon on a premature close based only on the sole challenging vote and was busy elsewhere - quite frankly I was too busy compiling stats to combat Vegaswikian's other host of opposing votes to get back to this one and was both surprised and a bit shocked to see it closed so wantonly and hurriedly with no time to respond. So many spurious and easily-disprovable "oppose" votes from the same editor, so little time....this should be relisted or overturned; the instructions to discuss the matter with the closer given his smug reply to my objections to his similar close of the Comox town RM "We obviously differ on where to draw the line on reasonableness. That's expected, since the judgment is ultimately a subjective one. Fortunately, we now have Wikipedia:Move review, just for disputing move request closures. Enjoy!".
Yeah, sure, like a guy like me is gonna have any luck at at all at Move Review huh, which is more about talking nice and saying "please sir, can I have another RM" than the reasons that the closer, and the "oppose" votes, were wrong? Indeed, it is a subjective decision, and not objective at all.....and skewed by a meaningless and pointedly hostile and too-repetitive "nay" vote from the same editor who discounted the town of Squamish in last year's only-7-days close on the Skwxwu7mesh RM, granting PRIMARYTOPIC to the ethno article even though the same view stats tool as above demonstrate that the town IS the PRIMARYTOPIC of "Squamish". Yes, you do hear the sound of axes grinding; you also hear the sound or RMs slamming shut repeatedly on contested town-as-primary-topic RMs, with Atlin, Comox and Squamish left in abeyance "until next time" but all others passed in favour of the unique town name.
That "Enjoy!" (re the Move Review process) strikes me as both tart and smug, and by now it's clear that Vegaswikian's campaign to oppose re PRIMARYTOPIC on nearly any RM I file is "disruptive" and not appropriate behaviour in RMs. There is an underlying POV subtext of this opposition which is obvious to those how know the overall context of all these disputes, but which those demanding I produce "proof" when they do not even say what the other primarytopic might be is. In this case, "Atlin", I fail to see any other PRIMARYTOPIC for teh stand-alone title; Atlin Lake certainly is not it (anyone notice it's, um, two words?).
So go head, whomever, TLDR this and continue in your unwillingness to learn about topics and titles you presume to pass judgment on and "votes" based on nothing but IDONTLIKEIT and IDONTLIKESKOOKUM1, also.
People should read the articles and the sources before voting on such matters IMO, or casting "blind" oppose votes as if by bot across dozens of articles; the same proviso should be the responsibility of the closer, admin or not. Uninformed decision making is become the BANE of Wikipedia and is entirely against WP:COMMONSENSE.Skookum1 (talk) 15:18, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
- There were only two people to comment on the discussion (you as the nominator) and Vegaswikian - either relisting or closing as no-consensus are both acceptable courses of action. You are of course free to re-nominate it in the hopes that it garners more attention the next time.
- Regardless, I'd advise that a barely 2:1 margin in favor of the town over the lake (and not even a majority of total views for all entries of the dab page) is not strong enough to meet the requirements of a primary topic. At least in discussions I've participated in, an order of magnitude seems to be the minimum threshold. See for instance the recent move for George Zimmerman, which had a much wider margin between that page and the alternatives. Parsecboy (talk) 15:35, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
RMCD bot on overdrive
RMCD bot has re-placed notifications of the closed indigenous peoples' bulk RMs on a few pages lately; how does it get shut off? I notified the talkpage at the bot, figure it's best I do that here once I saw these:
- (diff | hist) . . b Talk:Hän people; 23:58 . . (+341) . . RMCD bot (talk | contribs) (Notifying of move discussion)
- (diff | hist) . . b Talk:Tahltan people; 23:58 . . (+341) . . RMCD bot (talk | contribs) (Notifying of move discussion)
Both of those happen to have open individual RMs, but that's not what the bot is notifiying about, but RMs which were BATHWATER closed weeks ago.Skookum1 (talk) 00:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, Re those current RMs, both have been closed with the needless dab removed (which was the subject of the bulk RMs that got tossed out also). The bot notices are since then.Skookum1 (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
- I responded at user talk:RMCD bot#bot on overdrive on a closed RM. Wbm1058 (talk) 02:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
changing EToro to eToro
the name of the compeny is eToro and not EToro, can we change that? TNX Orfia (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
- It's a matter of displaying it in lower case. I have changed that. Sw2nd (talk) 19:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Suggestion for finding an non-involved admin
Hi folks - sorry if this is the wrong place for this question, but I couldn't think of anywhere better. I started a move discussion (Talk:Halifax_Regional_Municipality#Requested move 2014), and the discussion is reaching the end of the suggested minimum 7-day period, and appears (to me, at least!) to be arriving at near-consensus - only one dissenting opinion. However, I'm obviously not a disconnected editor, and I probably have neither the skills nor the rights to do this move, even if I was. My question is: "How do I find such a person?" Thanks in advance for any advice! AshleyMorton (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)