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- 1 Category of bimodules
- 2 Question on Japanese name
- 3 Plans
- 4 In the news
- 5 Proposed deletion of Drugstore
- 6 WikiProject Military history coordinator election
- 7 Draft:Glossary of category theory
- 8 Orphaned non-free image File:Page 1 of Hartshorne.jpeg
- 9 Orphaned non-free image File:Page 1 of Hartshorne.jpeg
- 10 Proposed deletion of Quantum Internet
- 11 Damaging
- 12 Missing source for File:Bonnard-the dining room in the country.jpg
- 13 Nomination of List of most popular given names for deletion
- 14 ArbCom elections are now open!
- 15 Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Gaitsgory-Lurie proof of Weil conjecture on Tamagawa numbers
- 16 Speedy deletion nomination of Susie Abromeit
- 17 Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!
- 18 About many edits
Category of bimodules
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Question on Japanese name
Hello, TakuyaMurata. In Yoshiharu Kohayakawa, what is the surname? Yolaf.TZ (talk) 03:34, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Never mind... It's Kohayakawa (here on the English-WP, sometimes the order of Japanese names is equal to what is on the Japanese-WP, and other time it's different). It confuses me. :D Yolaf.TZ (talk) 03:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Plans
I know that a few mathematics editors would like the WMF to take over. I don't think that's going to happen, and I doubt that you would like the result. First, I want to say that leaving mathematics to editors is not leaving it to "outsiders". That's leaving it to insiders. Second, the WMF usually takes on projects that are too complicated and too large for individual volunteers, or projects that must be done now and no volunteer is willing or able to do. Flow and VisualEditor both fall into the "too complicated and too large" category; mathematics rendering does not fall into either. Thirdly, historically, most math work has been done by volunteers. As a result of this history, the real question isn't merely a neutral "Why doesn't the WMF do this?" Instead, the real question is "Why doesn't the WMF take control away from the volunteers who have been doing this for years, regardless of what those volunteers say?"
As a practical matter, if the volunteers who have been working on math rendering all said that they do not wish to continue, and no others were willing to begin, then the WMF might eventually take it over. But the volunteers are still active, and therefore I do not expect the WMF to try to take the project away from them. I don't believe that the WMF has any formal opinion about how mathematics rendering ought to be done. But from the informal water cooler chat that I overhear, if they had to make a decision today, the result would probably be to kill MathJax and then do nothing else for a long while due to lack of resources and a belief that serving PNGs, while suboptimal, doesn't cause the site to crash or otherwise represent an emergency. Therefore this is my conclusion: if your ultimate goal is to keep MathJax, then your goal is also to encourage volunteers to support math rendering themselves, at least for the foreseeable future. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Whatamidoing (WMF): Thank you very much for the reply, which I wasn't expecting. Nothing personal, but I don't think you have a understanding of the problem at all. Maybe it goes beyond your competence? For instance, the math rendering belongs to the category "too complicated and too large"; saying otherwise shows your lack of understanding. Why else do you think no one seems to be able to fix the broken system? The answer to the first question (why the WMF take-over) is because it is of interest to the WMF if it wants to keep the editors happy and attract the readers, the task that should not be left to the "outsider" volunteers. You said "I don't believe that the WMF has any formal opinion about how mathematics rendering ought to be done." and that's the problem I'm talking about. "No plan" is not a good plan. -- Taku (talk) 23:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Do you think that "take away MathJax and replace it with PNGs" a desirable plan? If the WMF takes over now, that is the most likely plan. Perhaps "no plan" would be preferable to that plan.
- Math rendering does not belong to the category of "too complicated and too large" because it isn't. It might be too large for one person to do, part-time, in a couple of months, but it does not require a large team of engineers. As several editors have pointed out in these discussions, MathJax is added to websites all the time merely by inserting a couple of lines of code into the HTML.
- Also, I have my doubts about how much the appearance of the mathematics articles (or their content) attract readers. The math geeks I know all prefer other sites, and the non-math geeks complain that Wikipedia's articles are incomprehensible. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Whatamidoing (WMF): I had a feeling that we would go nowhere; this reminds me of those endless tiring phone call to the call center. I and (presumably the others) would much prefer to deal with someone who is actually competent and can get something done (what I want is not complain but see some action). As for the concrete "plan", the math editor community has already comes up with one; it is up to the WMF to implement it or not (it's not something for the editors). The last part of your reply is most disturbing; I wish you are joking. Which other website are you talking? Wikipedia articles on math topics are read and edited rather heavily. It is embarrassing that Wikipedia has poor software support for math. Or so I thought, but I guess you don't share the same feeling. But maybe it really speaks the truth. You want to make Wikipedia less geeky and we're obstacles to achieve that. That's the truth isn't it? I wish I misunderstood your message. -- Taku (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- I certainly don't want a "less geeky" encyclopedia. If WP:N were up to me, I'd be blowing up piles of articles about minor actors and individual television episodes and songs about which nothing little more can be said than "it was kind of popular for two weeks six years ago". Also, articles about allegedly important university professors that are sourced only to their employers' websites.
- I will have to ask again for the names of favored math sites, since I don't remember them any longer. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 14:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ seems to be the most popular. It also depends on what your interests are, of course. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Whatamidoing (WMF): Thank you for getting back to me. By "math", we was thinking of professional math. The site mathworld is a bit of joke as far as topics on professional-levels are concerned; it is the site for the general public (non-geeks.) I would view sites like encyclopedia of mathematics, or planetmath or nLab to be Wikipedia competitors on the math topics that are not of interest to the general public. Against those, Wikipedia tends to win, judging by the number of times Wikipedia articles are cited in the discussion sites like mathoverflow. Not having the updated software support for math can be considered complacent; I think someone should be responsible/accountable for this and, as I said, it is part of the job of the WMF. -- Taku (talk) 21:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ seems to be the most popular. It also depends on what your interests are, of course. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- @Whatamidoing (WMF): I had a feeling that we would go nowhere; this reminds me of those endless tiring phone call to the call center. I and (presumably the others) would much prefer to deal with someone who is actually competent and can get something done (what I want is not complain but see some action). As for the concrete "plan", the math editor community has already comes up with one; it is up to the WMF to implement it or not (it's not something for the editors). The last part of your reply is most disturbing; I wish you are joking. Which other website are you talking? Wikipedia articles on math topics are read and edited rather heavily. It is embarrassing that Wikipedia has poor software support for math. Or so I thought, but I guess you don't share the same feeling. But maybe it really speaks the truth. You want to make Wikipedia less geeky and we're obstacles to achieve that. That's the truth isn't it? I wish I misunderstood your message. -- Taku (talk) 01:02, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Taku, I don't know if this interjection will help clear up confusion, or just create more, but I'll do my best.
I see from your userpage you are on semi-wikibreak, so I will collapse this so that you do not return to find a book :-) |
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First of all, I suggest you take to heart the core of what Whatamidoing is trying to tell you, which is this: if and when the volunteer-math-related-software-folks give up on wiki-math and stop volunteering, that is when the WMF will step in... because they prefer, when possible, to leave stuff to the volunteers, as is proper. I believe you are missing the second part of her message: SHOULD it occur, that the WMF takes over math-rendering-software, the outcome will be to drastically curtail the goal, and to drastically curtail the engineering-resources. Specifically, if the WMF is forced to be in charge of math-rendering, they (the WMF) will assign one part-time engineer the job of "serve all equations as PNGs pre-rendered on home PCs and then uploaded to Commons", which is very much not what you (Taku) would want to happen, and far more crucially, in such a force-to-take-over-scenario, they (the WMF) will change the overall goal of wikipedia-math-related-articles from competing with Professional-Graduate-University-Level-Serious-Math-Sites-Like-Planetmath to the drastically different goal of competing with General-Interest-Undergrad-Firendly-Consumer-Oriented-Fun-And-Awesome-Math-Sites-Like-Mathworld-By-Wolfram, or perhaps even worse, dumbing down the math articles to compete with Aimed-At-Elementary-Schoolkids-Games-Disguised-With-A-Thin-Layer-Of-Arithmetic-Sites-Like-Coolmath. Just as with the change from online-math-rendering to offline-math-rendering-via-PNG-upload, you will NOT like (as I understand it) the changes in the goals of math-support on wikipedia, that will most definitely occur (per my own experience and per WMF's assertion via their liason Whatamidoing), if and when the WMF feels they are forced to take over math-support, which they will do if and only if the volunteer-math-software-hackers literally give up. Does this make any sense? Whatamidoing is not trying to tell you that the WMF will not take over math-support, because the WMF could care less about math-support; she's trying to tell you, that if you succeed in your tactical goal, of getting the WMF to take over math-support, that you will be shooting yourself in the strategic foot, because your REAL goal of improving professional-level-online-math-rendering-support will not merely fail to be accomplished via WMF takeover, but quite the opposite, it will be sent back to the dark ages (PNG uploads) and quite likely permanently (goal-change from beat-planetmath to instead beat-wolfram-mathworld). In other words, the WMF does care about math-support, which is WHY they don't want to take over math-support! They know they would 'ruin' it, as far as professional-grade on-the-fly-rendering goes, if they had to (forced by circumstances) take over. By this line of reasoning, I hope this explanation is clear. My constructive advice to you is that you ought to change your tactics; instead of appealing to the WMF to "take over" math-rendering-support, and spend millions of bucks in a super-project a la WP:FLOW (which I will note is still not working and maybe that gives you a further hint why Whatamidoing&WMF are resisting your clear calls to have them try their hand at far more complex professional math-rendering software)... you should instead focus your energy on recruiting new volunteer math-software-engineers. That does not mean that you cannot get some WMF moolah for this new tactic; if you can find a software engineer willing to improve the volunteer-driven-math-support-codebase, then you can apply for a WMF grant, and get some money to sweeten the pot a little for the said software engineer. It won't be millions of bucks, but a few thousand bucks for a year of weekends, might make the difference between being able to find a volunteer engineer, and not being able to. A seemingly-similar but fundamentally different tactic, which for reasons I will mention shortly I most definitely do NOT recommend, would be to try and get some grant-monies to fund more intense work by existing volunteers; the advantage there is that they are already known to be interested. The disadvantage, obviously (to me at least), is that if you convert them from being pure volunteers to being partially-compensated, they might burn out on volunteering, once the grant-money runs out, an unintended side-effect. So I suggest you find an outsider, to entice into a thousand hours of work (or so) in exchange for a few thousand bucks of bonus-cash (aka $2/hr to $9/hr ... still mostly a volunteer!). Most importantly of all, don't waste those thousand-hours-of-dev-time, trying to re-implement the wheel, and building a Grand New Software Ssytem, written from scratch with the highest expectations. That will fail miserably. Spend those thousand-hours-of-dev-effort, on the top-priority-tasks in the math-software-wikiverse, as defined and agreed upon by TWO groups: first, the heavy users of math-software for article-editing, and second, the existing volunteers that hack on the math-rendering-codebase. The reasoning here is that you want the result of the thousand-hours-of-dev-work to be 100% compatible with and 100% maintained by the existing all-volunteer-team, so they HAVE to be given a large say in how the thousand hours will be spent. You also do NOT want to offend your existing pure-volunteer-math-devs, by bringing in an outsider to 'clean up their mess'; instead, you want the situation to be perceived as (and in fact REALLY BE the actual intent) the recruiting of an employee, with the pure-volunteer-devs acting as the founders/managers/beneficiaries. This is not a difficult line to walk, as long as you are clear from the outset that 1) the new low-pay semi-volunteer dev is an employee, 2) the existing pure-volunteer devs are the bosses/managers of this new employee, and 3) the reason the new employee is being hired is because the existing codebase IS WORTH IMPROVING, and not because the existing codebase happens to have bugs or lack features. Finally, of course, you want to have the other 49% of the priority-setting-input come from the heavy users of the math-rendering-software (which in the tempEmployee/foundersBosses analogy fill the role of payingCustomers), so that the *specific* bugs that are fixed, and the *specific* features that are added, during that thousand hours of work by the tempEmployee, will be maximally useful to the article-editors for their work. (An aside on the gory details. You can set up the infrastructure however you like, but I suggest this: create a wiki-page that is a numbered list of potential priorities, briefly stated and they hyperlinked to some longer explanation where necessary, for instance entries like "idea#55 fix mathjax bugreport#1234" and also "idea#77 add mathjax support for inlin torus rendering feature". Once you have a list of ideas, bang-vote on them, but weight the bang-votes by edit-count for the payingCustomers and by commit-count-to-the-math-software-repos for the foundersBosses. Then, create a second wiki-page, which gives the same ideas (idea#77 and idea#55 and all the others), but this time ordered by their calculated-top-priority-scores. To calculate the *ordering* of the priority-list-page, that will end up being assigned (from the top down) as tasks to the temp-employee-slash-quasi-volunteer, the bang-votes for each priority-list-idea are added up, with 51% of the final score-total for each idea coming from commit-count-weighted bangvotes by math-devs and the other 49% score-total coming from edit-count-weighted bangvotes by math-editors. In cases where a single human is both a math-dev and also a math-editor, their input is simply double-counted, with weighted contributions to both the math-dev-51% and also the math-editor-49% portions of the idea-score; not-so-incidentally which will encourage math-devs to be editors and encourage math-editors to become devs. Rather than set a deadline for bangvotes followed by a hat-closure, just leave the idea-list open 24/7/365, so anybody is free to add a new idea, or change their bangvotes, and periodically re-calculate the score-totals, say once every couple of weeks or so; that way, if during the thousand-hour-timeframe it becomes obvious to everyone that top-priority idea#88 is technically unworkable for some previously-unforeseen reason, you can simply strike the bangvotes for it, which upon recalculation will demote idea#88 on the ordered-priority-list from the top position down to some nice-to-have-someday position further down the ordered-priority-list. See also approval voting, of which this scheme is a wiki-specific modification; you only need to "count" support-bangvotes when you weighted-recalculate the priority-list-ordering, in other words. People are free to comment and to oppose at this time and even to oppose forevermore if they wish, on specific ideas or on all ideas of a particular subset-class, but if the number of weighted-support-bangvotes remains high anyways despite the peer-pressure, then that specific idea may well become top-five-priority. To mitigate this possibility, if you want, you can work out some kind of weighted-subtraction-scheme for including some measure of the oppose-bangvotes in the scoring, like in WP:ARBCOM elections, but I believe that to be unnecessary, because the ideas with heavy support-bangvotes will rise to the top no matter what, and ideas with strong opposition will inherently not have enough support-bangvotes to do the same. End of the gory details.) Perhaps most importantly of all... if you do it right, when you set up the infrastructure of pure-volunteer-devs as foundersBosses and heavy article-editors as payingCustomers who work together to prioritize a list of low-hanging-fruit for the tempEmployee-slash-quasi-Volunteer to work on, you can repeat the process iteratively and indefinitely: the math-editors will have formed a strong working relationship with the math-hackers, and they will be able to jointly formulate a *second* priority-list for the *second* WMF grant, after the money in the first one runs out, and then a *third* grant and so on. Pretty soon, in this fashion, you'll have achieved your strategic goal, of getting solid software support for online-on-the-fly professional-grade math-rendering-support, baked into wikipedia. By contrast, if you keep asking for the WMF to take that work off your hands, they may just be forced to do it... but not in the way that you are wishing they would, quite the opposite in fact. Be careful what you wish for! If you want to "see some action" to improve math-support then your best bet is to shift your focus away from the WMF and take the bull by the horns with volunteer and quasi-volunteer devs; if you should be unlucky enough to ever "see some action" from the WMF itself, what you would end up seeing would be almost be the polar opposite of what you wish to occur. They are not the right people for this job, and luckily for all concerned, they know it. Taku, please do not make the mistake of thinking that since Whatamidoing is not personally competent to build some vast multi-million-dollar software system (what individual human is? no offense to User:Whatamidoing_(WMF) intended) that will fully and properly support professional-grade online-math-rendering, that you just need to escalate your helpdesk call to Jimbo, or failing that, to some other hypothetically-more-competent person, hiding somewhere deep in the bowels of the WMF, who can magically satisfy your wish. There is no such person; you are seeking a chimera. What you are hearing from Whatamidoing, is that the WMF simply flat-out CANNOT undertake, the job you are wishing them to do, in the way you wish them to do it. That is 100% correct, for the reasons I outlined above. |
Hope this helps, appreciate your work on helping wikipedia improve, talk to you later. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- Oh, and p.s. the correct goal for wikipedia methinks is to compete with planetmath et al, as our first priority, and then *expand* our capabilities and our feature-set, and *widen* our focus and our content-goals, so that we can also simultaneously and in addition, compete also with mathworld et al. (Someday we may even get so good and so broad that we can compete with cool-math.) But first things first, the initial goal of the process-iterations should be fixing up our planetmath-style features and our planetmath-style bugfixes. Once those are 90% done with no more low-hanging-fruit, future process-iterations can broaden our math-support so that we can effectively compete with mathworld, too. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- ^^^^ This is exactly what you should read and take to heart. --Jorm (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
- Post-post-script, I also see from your userpage that you know Java and C and GoLang, so you know something about programming; I know some LaTeX and some Javascript and some PHP and some other languages that might be useful, if you decide to change tactics as I suggest above, I would be happy to help get you the ball rolling. I don't have time to become a full volunteer-math-dev, or a thousand-hour-quasi-compensated-volunteer-dev either, but as a heavy-math-article-reader it is in my own best interests to see the heavy-math-article-editors smiling and content. I'm happy to take a shot at "Fixing That Which Cannot[citation needed] Be Fixed" in the current codebase, in collaboration with you and the rest of the math-editors and math-devs already involved. Let me know if you want to discuss further, or whatever, when you return from your semi-break. Thanks for listening, talk to you later. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 23:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
- ^^^^ This is exactly what you should read and take to heart. --Jorm (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
In the news
I agree with you that In the news belongs at the top of the Main Page redesign, and have adjusted the design accordingly. Just a heads up, in case you'd like to see what it looks like. The Transhumanist 10:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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Damaging
I am not damaging the encyclopedia, if you had taken the time to actual see what the article was (and unfortunately is now) you would see that I have made several improvements. Stop treating articles as if they are your personal fiefdom. 99.241.166.168 (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- You are making unnecessary format chages (in fact, a change from a good format to a bad one.) You can still fix errors or make format "improvement". But decreasing the formatting quality isn't really considered an improvement. -- Taku (talk)
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- Ugly is a subjective term and I don't think they are that hard to learn. At any rate is this mentioned on some official style guide for math articles in wikipedia?? 99.241.166.168 (talk) 21:43, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
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- I'm not the only one who finds those templates make articles look unattractive; the main issue is that they put math formulae in a "wrong" font: i.e., the names of the variables or the functions appear in a font that is different from that of the surrounding texts. If you look at any professionally-done math textbooks, you will see how wrong this is. Also, it is well-known that the wikitexts with a lot of templates look like a program code and that this is a major factor that turns a potential contributor away. As for the policy and past discussion, see for instance Help:formula, Wikipedia:Rendering math and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics/Archive/2013/Jan #Destruction of .7B.7Bmath.7D.7D and similar templates. Everyone makes a mistake; please try to learn from it. -- Taku (talk) 07:30, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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- First I read the page and it is clear that there is no consensus regarding which format is better. So just reversing my edit on that grounds does not seem justified since my edit was much more than just a style clean up. Second speaking of difficulty to learn, with html you get all these spaces you glue together with "nbsp" and that makes the actual code much worse than Template:Math ... because you can't use any spaces. 99.241.166.168 (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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- The consensus, if I am not mistaken, is that a mass change to templates is undesirable and unproductive. Do you disagree with me on this impression? I'm not against the cleanup and format improvement; I simply reverted whole changes since they are too large for close reviews. This is one of the reasons why the mass changes are not productive; it's hard to tell what is improved and what got damaged. Finally about the complexity: if a formula is complex, <math> is a good option in my view although on some browsers they don't render well (they look good on my browser). -- Taku (talk) 23:44, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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- First, now you are saying they are too large for review, while before you objected to the nature of change (to Template:Math ... calling it ugly and whatnot. Second, when you suggest <math> it shows that you didn't bother to read my response above or examine the article in question. The problem is not the complexity of the formula, you made a claim that Template:Math ... was hard to learn and to edit, and I responded by saying that in plain html you need to constantly use "nbsp" to avoid breaking even small formulas. The result is that you get a very long block of continuous text without any spaces which is way harder to understand and edit than anything in Template:Math .... 99.241.166.168 (talk) 06:33, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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- The changes were too large to review and it is possible that I have undone some small improvements in the process; that's why you shouldn't make a large controversial single edit. In any case, my point still stands: the math templates are ugly and demands the editors to learn them, better not to use them. (And I'm not the only one who feels that way.) If the formula is complex, you should use<math>; so there is no need for nbsp. When '' suffices, there is no need for Template:Mvar ..... The issue is why you insists on using them. -- Taku (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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- With html if you don't want breaks you have to use nbsp for every single space in that formula! That makes even very simple formulas to look hugely complicated when editing. Just go back to the page we started this argument on and look the code for the example. 99.241.166.168 (talk) 00:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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- So you think that <math> is better than Template:Math ...? I guess that is because it renders well on your machine. For the rest of us <math> looks like an ugly eye sore specially when it is just a few characters long. <math> should bereserved for display formulas (which is what I do), in text math should be either html or Template:Math ... which is a matter of taste since html is not simpler than Template:Math ... and ugliness aspect is subjective. 99.241.166.168 (talk) 06:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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- I just noticed you have reverted back all my recent edits (Hessian, Montgomery forms of elliptic curves). What you are doing is legislating taste, plain and simple. It is true that I have changed the format from html to Template:Math ... but in the process the article has had major improvements. So you had a html based format but poorly written article now you have Template:Math ... style improved article since neither of the formats is superior to the other this is unacceptable and borders on vandalism. I am reverting all your reversions and I ask you to refer this issue to be judged by someone else since I have no confidence in you to contain your bias. 99.241.166.168 (talk) 06:15, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
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- I'm merely keeping the qualities of Wikipedia articles intact; of course you are free to improve the formatting of the article; but as I pointed out above, introducing the template mvar isn't an improvement. Damaging the articles amounts to vandalism and I have simply reverted vandalisms as all editors are encouraged to do. What you need to do is very simple: stop damaging Wikipedia articles; alternatively, please use '', which is standard and does not have the problem the template mvar. I'm not imposing my taste. Nothing wrong with the desire for improvement; but you're doing in a wrong way. -- Taku (talk) 07:53, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Missing source for File:Bonnard-the dining room in the country.jpg
As part of an effort to add machine readable meta-data it was noted that the above file may potentially be missing information about it's source. It would be appreciated if you could add this information to assist evlauation and re-use of the file.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Nomination of List of most popular given names for deletion
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ArbCom elections are now open!
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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Gaitsgory-Lurie proof of Weil conjecture on Tamagawa numbers
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A tag has been placed on Draft:Gaitsgory-Lurie proof of Weil conjecture on Tamagawa numbers, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Susie Abromeit
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Nominations for the Military history WikiProject historian and newcomer of the year awards now open!
On behalf of the Military history WikiProject's Coordinators, we would like to extend an invitation to nominate deserving editors for the 2015 Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards. The nomination period will run from 7 December to 23:59 13 December, with the election phase running from 14 December to 23:59 21 December. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
About many edits
You should use preview button,please edits at once.--Takahiro4 (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2015 (UTC)