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- 1 For native English speakers only: Would a native English speaker talk like this?
- 2 Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2016
- 3 Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2016
- 4 Sjo removing my question
- 5 Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2016
- 6 user "apostle"
- 7 Page protection template update
- 8 One Tree Hill and The O.C. - Happy Ending or Cliffhanger: No Answers
For native English speakers only: Would a native English speaker talk like this?
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A: She only loves you for your money, obviously. If you told her you sold your car and quit your job, she'd be gone in a minute. B (being sarcastic): Sure, I'll take your word for it. You're a self-proclaimed authority on dating, aren't you? You made me realize that every woman I've ever met or fallen in love with was either a sociopath or a gold digger. (I got mixed responses the last time I asked native-English speakers if this conversation sounded natural to them. Some said the wording is so archaic and stilted. Others said it's fine the way it is. What are your thoughts? If you were A, and B told you that, would you say "well, I didn't expect a 21st century native English speaker to say that"?)Jra2019 (talk) 02:59, 23 January 2016 (UTC |
Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2016
Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2016
Sjo removing my question
Why is sjo removing my question at the humanities refdesk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.10.242 (talk) 04:16, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2016
Please add this answer to the May 4 question William Henry Dimond on the Humanities desk. Thank you. 184.147.128.57 (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- There is a lengthy newspaper biography here – Dimond was in Hawaii when the war began and offered to bring president Lincoln 100 soldiers – this was turned down for political reasons so he came alone and was made a captain under Major-General Rufus Saxton at Beaufort, South Carolina. He resigned from the army after the war and returned to Honolulu.
- Another newspaper biography is reproduced here (I couldn’t find the original), which adds that Lincoln appointed him assistant adjutant-general of United States volunteers as well as captain.
- And finally, a footnote in Mark Twain's Notebooks & Journals, Volume I: (1855-1873) says he was a lieutenant in the Hawaiian Cavalry Company when he went to the US (“left the Sandwich Islands on 28 August 1864 to volunteer for service with the Union forces”) and that his captaincy in the U.S. was in the cavalry. 184.147.128.57 (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
user "apostle"
Need I explain? Back to work, minions! ―Mandruss ☎ 17:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC) |
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there's a user whose thinking appears clinically disorganized...see his recent posts on the reference desk...is there anything done beyond the normal blocking etc..it appears to involve an illness as opposed to bad faith behavior...68.48.241.158 (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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Page protection template update
Re Wikipedia talk:Reference desk/Archive 123#Page protection template, the latest protection of this page expired yesterday, but the template message was still there until I purged the page five minutes ago. Fun Facts To Know And Tell. So unless this was some kind of aberration, I guess someone would have to purge after each expiration, and it's possible someone would have to purge after each application of protection to add the message, I don't know how all that werks (or doesn't). ―Mandruss ☎ 13:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Can you provide a diff for what you did to fix this page? I'm not seeing it. And the IF statement which is supposed to regulate it is still in place. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- It's not an edit, hence nothing for you to see. See WP:PURGE. I have this as an option on the pull-down "More" menu at the top of each page. I don't recall what it took to get it there, if anything, but there are other ways to accomplish a purge and they should be described at WP:PURGE. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:10, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- So the problem was local to your PC rather than a problem on Wikipedia itself? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:13, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- (EC) If I'm understanding Mandruss correctly, it's not possible to provide any useful diffs (well except for stuff you construct elsewhere). Basically the template used to automatically show or hide the protection message depending on whether the page is protected may take a while to update. (Probably depending on server load and other factors.) To ensure maximum accuracy, the pages will need to be manually purged after protection expired, and possibly after protection is added. WP:Purging will ensure the templates are up to date. Personally, I suspect purging is essential, they will eventually be updated without anyone manually purging although I don't know how long it may take and since these are highly accessed pages it's impossible to know what happened anyway. Nil Einne (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- OK, so this is at the server level. Since the user MusikAnimal (talk · contribs) suggested the IF statement, maybe someone could ask him to comment here? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:18, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I think you just did. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- ??? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:21, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Well you created a link to his user page using {{user}}, which should send him a notification (ping). Assuming he comes here when he receives the notification, he should see your request for his comment. Thus, you asked him to comment here. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I didn't know that. In any case, I've now explicitly asked him. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Well you created a link to his user page using {{user}}, which should send him a notification (ping). Assuming he comes here when he receives the notification, he should see your request for his comment. Thus, you asked him to comment here. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- ??? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:21, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I think you just did. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- OK, so this is at the server level. Since the user MusikAnimal (talk · contribs) suggested the IF statement, maybe someone could ask him to comment here? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:18, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- It's not an edit, hence nothing for you to see. See WP:PURGE. I have this as an option on the pull-down "More" menu at the top of each page. I don't recall what it took to get it there, if anything, but there are other ways to accomplish a purge and they should be described at WP:PURGE. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:10, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- The template says, "Editing of this page by new or unregistered users is currently disabled." To get around this caching problem, maybe it should say "may be" rather than "is". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Which ref desk page are we talking about? Wikipedia:Reference desk seems to be accurate — MusikAnimal talk 15:45, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- This here page. The page you're looking at at this very moment. WT:RD. "This page", as I said in my opening comment. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Looks good on my end. No protection, no template. If it's not appearing right for you I'm not sure what to recommend. Try viewing the page in your browser's incognito mode? Purging is on the server-side, clearly something's up with your client — MusikAnimal talk 15:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, TL;DR, but just skimmed through. Yes, you might have to purge every time, but that doesn't seem like much of an issue to me. All it takes it one edit (since most people won't think purge), and for a high-traffic page that shouldn't take long — MusikAnimal talk 15:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Does the problem result from the use of the #ifeq, or all uses of {{pp}}? I've never seen the problem before today. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- (I did say purge 5 times, sorry I misread, hungover and no coffee!). The issue is with {{pp}}, I believe — MusikAnimal talk 16:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Ok, well 17 hours passed between the expiration and my purge, during which time a false message was on the page. The desks might get more traffic, but who knows how much when IP users are seeing the message and not even trying to edit because they believe it. But if that's the best we can do, that's the best we can do. Maybe Bugs' 15:36 suggestion has some merit. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:11, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- It shouldn't be a full banner anyway. I just added
|small=yes
so it won't be so obtrusive. Users who want to edit will still see and edit button and unlikely to be deterred by the little icon at the top-right. Hope this helps — MusikAnimal talk 16:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)-
- We'll try it. Good luck with the hangover, and remember to pop a couple of Tylenols before you pass out next time. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:21, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I concur that the full banner here might be overkill - HOWEVER, there was at least one user (can't find at present) who specifically said that the little lock is insufficient. Maybe for this page, which is relatively low-traffic, the lock would be good enough? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Found it, in the link Mandruss began this paragraph with: "That looks like it'll be an acceptable permanent solution. DuncanHill will probably want to remove the "small=yes", but there shouldn't be any further need for manual monitoring of the situation. Tevildo (talk) 08:55, 17 April 2016 (UTC)" Maybe DuncanHill (talk · contribs) and Tevildo (talk · contribs) could come here and opine? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I concur that the full banner here might be overkill - HOWEVER, there was at least one user (can't find at present) who specifically said that the little lock is insufficient. Maybe for this page, which is relatively low-traffic, the lock would be good enough? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- We'll try it. Good luck with the hangover, and remember to pop a couple of Tylenols before you pass out next time. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:21, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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- It shouldn't be a full banner anyway. I just added
- Ok, well 17 hours passed between the expiration and my purge, during which time a false message was on the page. The desks might get more traffic, but who knows how much when IP users are seeing the message and not even trying to edit because they believe it. But if that's the best we can do, that's the best we can do. Maybe Bugs' 15:36 suggestion has some merit. ―Mandruss ☎ 16:11, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- (I did say purge 5 times, sorry I misread, hungover and no coffee!). The issue is with {{pp}}, I believe — MusikAnimal talk 16:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Does the problem result from the use of the #ifeq, or all uses of {{pp}}? I've never seen the problem before today. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, TL;DR, but just skimmed through. Yes, you might have to purge every time, but that doesn't seem like much of an issue to me. All it takes it one edit (since most people won't think purge), and for a high-traffic page that shouldn't take long — MusikAnimal talk 15:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Looks good on my end. No protection, no template. If it's not appearing right for you I'm not sure what to recommend. Try viewing the page in your browser's incognito mode? Purging is on the server-side, clearly something's up with your client — MusikAnimal talk 15:52, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- This here page. The page you're looking at at this very moment. WT:RD. "This page", as I said in my opening comment. ―Mandruss ☎ 15:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Which ref desk page are we talking about? Wikipedia:Reference desk seems to be accurate — MusikAnimal talk 15:45, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
As invited, I have no opinion on whether we should use the small or large template - my only concern is that it doesn't interfere with the menu bar, which isn't an issue on the talk page in any case. Tevildo (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- The problems with the small template are 1) it's easily overlooked if you are not looking for it, and much more importantly 2) it is utterly meaningless to new editors and anyone else who hasn't been introduced to it. I will add that this talk page is not on my watchlist, and I only came here because someone pinged me. DuncanHill (talk) 18:28, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I often fail to notice it. But, on the flip side, at least these recent semi-protections are of the relatively short duration that some of us have been asking for. So, I want to thank the admins who have been semi-protecting the desks recently for keeping it to short periods (e.g. @Jayron32: and @Favonian:). SemanticMantis (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- You're very welcome! I notice the short protection cycles seem to be working very well. The desks are only being protected, on average, about 9 hours per week, which is MUCH preferable to protecting them for the whole week straight out. We're doing as good of a job as ever at keeping the trolling to a minimum, and the desks are still free most of the time for good faith questions from IPs. --Jayron32 19:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Adding my thanks, I've greatly appreciated it. Also agree with DuncanHill's point - because the purpose of the template is to inform good-faith innocent users, the tiny icon without explanation is not effective.184.147.128.57 (talk) 17:19, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- You're very welcome! I notice the short protection cycles seem to be working very well. The desks are only being protected, on average, about 9 hours per week, which is MUCH preferable to protecting them for the whole week straight out. We're doing as good of a job as ever at keeping the trolling to a minimum, and the desks are still free most of the time for good faith questions from IPs. --Jayron32 19:05, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I often fail to notice it. But, on the flip side, at least these recent semi-protections are of the relatively short duration that some of us have been asking for. So, I want to thank the admins who have been semi-protecting the desks recently for keeping it to short periods (e.g. @Jayron32: and @Favonian:). SemanticMantis (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
One Tree Hill and The O.C. - Happy Ending or Cliffhanger: No Answers
Why has nobody answered the two questions on the entertainment page? Did each season of the two teen dramas of One Tree Hill and The O.C. ended with a happy ending or a cliffhanger? 86.169.72.176 (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)